one of the better hho generators i've seen on youtube. you need a lot more hho to run an engine though . i have not t tried my idea, but a welder puts out low voltage and high amps. just a thought . i have not seen anybody try it on youtube.
I think you should run 12 or 24 v through your cell .. run it through a stepdown transformer and rectify it on the lv side.. this way you're getting closer to running those plates optimally..
Guys most of your questions are answered on this pdf file, metals to use, heat problems, spacing, quantities of electrolyte, all there for you to read and learn, ill just ask is 5 seconds of your time in adds and then skip the add and the pdf will be loaded, the link is this one --> adf. ly/2rV6g don't forget to remove the space after you copy paste it to your browser thumbs up if you like it Thx in advance !
2.8 amps/cm^2 (don't quote me on that, I can't remember the exact figures)
The only thing that has changed that is MIT's work with cobalt phosphate, tho that seems more like hype than truth to me. anyway... this is too long, A: your initial statement that lower voltage = higher current is wrong, B: I'm not really interesested in arguing any of it, my research remains true, C: This thing is still an overly complicated kettle.
@Jimmeh30 sounds about right. measure voltage across electrodes, should be 1.48(ish) volts an electrode.. mines 11x 4" plates, 1/16" spacing, takes a bit over 12 volts at 15 amps, anything more just go's to heat :-\
any result. This example however is Brute force electrolysis.
No heat has nothing to do with it unless your going to work with thermolysis and superheated steam and the inherant danger that comes with the pressures involved.
There are plenty of university and physics papers on the net relating to water dissociation. The chemistry of it remains irrespective of scale, maximum voltage efficiency is 2.3-2.4V per plate, maximun current density in referance to efficientcy is something like...
I'm not arguing anything for starters. By "cell" I'm referring to two plates... 8 plates with only the two end plates connected is effectively 7 cells in series with a great amount of leakage unless the plates are sealed all around. Plate spacing only increases the resistance of the "cell" and will reduce the current and also the output. The only reason for even contemplating the capacitance of the cell is if you're gonna attempt some sort of quasi resonant setup which may or may not yeild...
It is good to see other ppl playing around with this stuff and trying different things. Not sure if this was a serious attempt or just a "wonder what'll happen if" scenario but further to my comment about "glorified water heaters" this will only produce HHO with about 3volts of the available voltage between any given pair of plates, that looks like 8 plates so 21 of 345.6V (avg assuming full wave rectificattion) is making HHO, the rest is making for thermal runnaway in the cell.
Stop critisizing this guy like you all know something. No one here has done shit and you all have theories like assholes right? At least this gentleman was nice enough to share what he did for the cause of science and investigation. So if you ever wondered what might happen this man has just shown you. No more 'theoretical' crap from you peanut galleries...lol.
if you make them longer you may be able to pull off more HHO. im guessing since the water need to touch the plates to turn into HHO so increasing the area may help out alot.
sorry i didn't read the description and didn't pay attention to your introduction... ha ha i am such a jack ass... well at least i aknowledge i made a mistake.
i seem to remember {solder is lead} and lead kept the water cool and didnt brown if i recall correctly, cant find my notes on that tho as it was a few years back,
could be wrong, but !!!!! having said that..... LOL...
I can't keep stainless cool why? and i made one using solder spirals and they don't brown the water or get hot but are bouncy and touch but until they do they produce well, Would someone with resources look into this, i'm out of money and solder but think it would make a good plate, expert advice would be great.
@Jimmeh30 lower voltage means high amperage which means more heat- the plates are not considered resistive loads either, high voltages means less electrolyte is needed. Congrats on passing fail academy with flying colors
@EgadsNo actually, higher current density is proportunate to voltage, ie less voltage=less current V=I*R W=V*I. It's well proven that around 2.3V per cell is the most efficient voltage for water dissociation (depending on the electrolyte used) and yes, they're not a purely resistive load but by far they're more resistive than capacitive. fail academy? if I hadn't put my cell on the back burner a couple of months back I'd have some links to post but I suggest you do some more research.
@Jimmeh30 You are not arguing one thing I said. My point is that it is not heat that separates H20, and proving the efficiency of a system is interdependent on the system itself.
2.3V may certainly be the ideal for a particular cell, but the word cell has NO bearing on scale, at a particular scale, with a particular mix of water and electrolytes, in a particular container. You may see the most efficient output.
Think about the voltage handling ability of capacitors in series, then water.
@EgadsNo Ran out of room... But I hope you can see what I am saying- the distance between electrodes is like adding more capacitors in series. If you run the same voltage through the circuit- for each capacitor in terms of the electric potential difference it handles- it has gone lower every time you add a cap. 2.3v is no longer the same effect- because of scale.
run it in line with something you dont often use like a rear window defroster, mine runs 10A. some fuse boxes have slots for sunroofs too even if you dont have one.
i totally agree.. rectifying 240 is just Dumb!.. i rectified 110 and got amost 5lpm with just stainless 4 stainless bowls spaced apart.. YOU DONT NEED 240.. the VOLTAGE can be increased with Voltage doublers! you dont need to rectify 240. one should leave the DRYER plugs to laundry Machines.
at 12v dc it produces alot less much draws alot more current, depending on electrolyte. im thinking that the bubbles ar not getting off the plates fast enough which may also be a result of heating.....?????
@clackdwack what you just said contradicts ohm's law. voltage dictates how much current a resistor will draw. so at 240VAC you would but pulling 20 times the amps...in theory. as long as your power source can supply the amperage.
Sorry, just asking isn't it: one 20th of the amps? To get the same result in wattage? So in theory to break the same amount of water into HHO at 12 volts you would need 20 times the amperage that you need at 240? I guess thats where a car battery cant keep up (adjusting with an acid eg. vinegar or lye NaOH what amperage you pull) E.g. 12 volt 10 amps= 120 Watts (and thats about the max you can achieve with a bat.), whereas if you pull 10 amps at 240 v = 2400 Watts. 20x power EASILY ACHIEVABLE!
@clackdwack I agree, he need 3.3 volt across the plates at 15 amps. The higher the voltage the smaller the bubbles.. less space between plates too I find 3milimeter is optimum with little plates like that, rig in +nnn-nnn+ (+ is positive, n is neutral, - is negative)
@clackdwack more amps, less volts.. get an ampmeter and test how many volts you get across the electrodes, thats all going to heat. I'd figure that little cell would pull around 5 volts at 15 amps fine. You want more hho, increase surface area of the electrodes. more metal = more voltage, reducing the gaps to 1/16 inch would helps squeeze thos bubbles out.. hope this helps
thats weird, i would have thought that much voltage would have made a extreme amount of production (not saying thats low just had higher expectations), what does that cell get with 12v dc same amps? the idea with the toothbrush is a great idea! ill try that for sure!
no havent tried sonic have tried pulsed signal through the voltage didnt do a great deal, it taking about 1 1/2 minutes to produce 1 litre of hydro, but the problem is that the water boils in about 2 minutes and then starts creating a pulseing sound throught the bubbles. vacuum then pressure
@clackdwack hho generators are most efficient at 110F , if its turning the water to steam, increase the flat area of the plates and round off the edges....you want LESS then 3 volts hitting each plate and add electrolyte's a tiny bit at a time. if you shovel them in its going to jump up the amperage fast.. also plates closer together is less amps for more hydrogen, again is optimal heat is 110 farenheit.. Odd but everone says it increase's the output.
Hello have you tried adding a vibration to your cell plats in the sonic rang? Say like that of a sonic tooth brush, my thinking is that it will help keep the bubbles off the plats and allow more production.
one of the better hho generators i've seen on youtube. you need a lot more hho to run an engine though . i have not t tried my idea, but a welder puts out low voltage and high amps. just a thought . i have not seen anybody try it on youtube.
hairycat54 1 day ago
CAN WE SEE YOU'RE RECTIFICATION CIRCUIT ? I'M HAVING TROUBLE PUTTING MINE TOGETHER. THANKS
cushionofair 3 months ago
you need at least 250 plates if your gonna run it for any more then 2 min buzz it will start heating up
ipwnr 4 months ago
I think you should run 12 or 24 v through your cell .. run it through a stepdown transformer and rectify it on the lv side.. this way you're getting closer to running those plates optimally..
khoham 4 months ago
Guys most of your questions are answered on this pdf file, metals to use, heat problems, spacing, quantities of electrolyte, all there for you to read and learn, ill just ask is 5 seconds of your time in adds and then skip the add and the pdf will be loaded, the link is this one --> adf. ly/2rV6g don't forget to remove the space after you copy paste it to your browser thumbs up if you like it Thx in advance !
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kosta9499709 8 months ago
2.8 amps/cm^2 (don't quote me on that, I can't remember the exact figures)
The only thing that has changed that is MIT's work with cobalt phosphate, tho that seems more like hype than truth to me. anyway... this is too long, A: your initial statement that lower voltage = higher current is wrong, B: I'm not really interesested in arguing any of it, my research remains true, C: This thing is still an overly complicated kettle.
Jimmeh30 10 months ago
@Jimmeh30 sounds about right. measure voltage across electrodes, should be 1.48(ish) volts an electrode.. mines 11x 4" plates, 1/16" spacing, takes a bit over 12 volts at 15 amps, anything more just go's to heat :-\
Me102288 10 months ago
any result. This example however is Brute force electrolysis.
No heat has nothing to do with it unless your going to work with thermolysis and superheated steam and the inherant danger that comes with the pressures involved.
There are plenty of university and physics papers on the net relating to water dissociation. The chemistry of it remains irrespective of scale, maximum voltage efficiency is 2.3-2.4V per plate, maximun current density in referance to efficientcy is something like...
Jimmeh30 10 months ago
I'm not arguing anything for starters. By "cell" I'm referring to two plates... 8 plates with only the two end plates connected is effectively 7 cells in series with a great amount of leakage unless the plates are sealed all around. Plate spacing only increases the resistance of the "cell" and will reduce the current and also the output. The only reason for even contemplating the capacitance of the cell is if you're gonna attempt some sort of quasi resonant setup which may or may not yeild...
Jimmeh30 10 months ago
It is good to see other ppl playing around with this stuff and trying different things. Not sure if this was a serious attempt or just a "wonder what'll happen if" scenario but further to my comment about "glorified water heaters" this will only produce HHO with about 3volts of the available voltage between any given pair of plates, that looks like 8 plates so 21 of 345.6V (avg assuming full wave rectificattion) is making HHO, the rest is making for thermal runnaway in the cell.
Jimmeh30 11 months ago
Check out what you can do with HHO. The HydroGun, it's a blast.
HydroFred 1 year ago
were where you getting that much power?
Hogasofa 1 year ago
how many amps and what are you using in in your plates
judoisoww 1 year ago
Stop critisizing this guy like you all know something. No one here has done shit and you all have theories like assholes right? At least this gentleman was nice enough to share what he did for the cause of science and investigation. So if you ever wondered what might happen this man has just shown you. No more 'theoretical' crap from you peanut galleries...lol.
dmgcat 1 year ago
@dmgcat WELL SAID !!!
vox1philippines 1 year ago
what would be the right voltage and curr
ent?
al93cnc 2 years ago
@al93cnc about 2V
adam3141 1 year ago
if you make them longer you may be able to pull off more HHO. im guessing since the water need to touch the plates to turn into HHO so increasing the area may help out alot.
kille6525 2 years ago
cool experiment... what voltage did you use?
whatyouwannamyfriend 2 years ago
sorry i didn't read the description and didn't pay attention to your introduction... ha ha i am such a jack ass... well at least i aknowledge i made a mistake.
whatyouwannamyfriend 2 years ago
no problem with plastics
clackdwack 2 years ago
hi,is that nail made of plastic?will plastic be corrode in the water?
robotpredator8 2 years ago
i decided not to do much with lead as it leaches in to cell water and you cant realy dump it into the drains for recycling thro town supply SO...
thom.
fuelban 2 years ago
i seem to remember {solder is lead} and lead kept the water cool and didnt brown if i recall correctly, cant find my notes on that tho as it was a few years back,
could be wrong, but !!!!! having said that..... LOL...
thom.
fuelban 2 years ago
Why use that much electricity? It can be done as effectively with 12 v.
ultio1 2 years ago
I can't keep stainless cool why? and i made one using solder spirals and they don't brown the water or get hot but are bouncy and touch but until they do they produce well, Would someone with resources look into this, i'm out of money and solder but think it would make a good plate, expert advice would be great.
Brittboy4 2 years ago
it's called resistance
if you run electricity through something resistive, it will produce heat
as for the solder, i don't understand what you mean
alwinovich 2 years ago
What's happening exactly? Is he making hydrogingas or HHO?
Archimedes555453525 2 years ago
anything over 3 volts between two plates and you've built a glorified water heater, congrats
Jimmeh30 3 years ago 5
@Jimmeh30 lower voltage means high amperage which means more heat- the plates are not considered resistive loads either, high voltages means less electrolyte is needed. Congrats on passing fail academy with flying colors
EgadsNo 1 year ago
@EgadsNo actually, higher current density is proportunate to voltage, ie less voltage=less current V=I*R W=V*I. It's well proven that around 2.3V per cell is the most efficient voltage for water dissociation (depending on the electrolyte used) and yes, they're not a purely resistive load but by far they're more resistive than capacitive. fail academy? if I hadn't put my cell on the back burner a couple of months back I'd have some links to post but I suggest you do some more research.
Jimmeh30 11 months ago
@Jimmeh30 You are not arguing one thing I said. My point is that it is not heat that separates H20, and proving the efficiency of a system is interdependent on the system itself.
2.3V may certainly be the ideal for a particular cell, but the word cell has NO bearing on scale, at a particular scale, with a particular mix of water and electrolytes, in a particular container. You may see the most efficient output.
Think about the voltage handling ability of capacitors in series, then water.
EgadsNo 10 months ago
@EgadsNo Ran out of room... But I hope you can see what I am saying- the distance between electrodes is like adding more capacitors in series. If you run the same voltage through the circuit- for each capacitor in terms of the electric potential difference it handles- it has gone lower every time you add a cap. 2.3v is no longer the same effect- because of scale.
EgadsNo 10 months ago
sonic been done and only makes water look less cloudy same gas volume
dacoffee2222 3 years ago
lower your electrolyte content and get your plates closer together
clackdwack 3 years ago
@clackdwack ah so thats the trick, nice info bro.... got it
how many plates did u use?
foxnad 6 months ago
My HHO generator is ran directly off the truck battery, it uses too much voltage/amps...how can I lower the Amp usage to around 10 to 20 Amps...Kevin
MeteoritesPlus 3 years ago
run it in line with something you dont often use like a rear window defroster, mine runs 10A. some fuse boxes have slots for sunroofs too even if you dont have one.
joel383 3 years ago
use inductor to limit the current
dreamyear 3 years ago
240 Volts AC will kill you graveyard dead! Not to mention using that much juice there is no possible chance of it being worthwhile or practical.
BushPilot444 3 years ago
i totally agree.. rectifying 240 is just Dumb!.. i rectified 110 and got amost 5lpm with just stainless 4 stainless bowls spaced apart.. YOU DONT NEED 240.. the VOLTAGE can be increased with Voltage doublers! you dont need to rectify 240. one should leave the DRYER plugs to laundry Machines.
danratsnapnames 2 years ago
at 12v dc it produces alot less much draws alot more current, depending on electrolyte. im thinking that the bubbles ar not getting off the plates fast enough which may also be a result of heating.....?????
clackdwack 3 years ago
@clackdwack what you just said contradicts ohm's law. voltage dictates how much current a resistor will draw. so at 240VAC you would but pulling 20 times the amps...in theory. as long as your power source can supply the amperage.
iPlaymeta1 1 year ago
Sorry, just asking isn't it: one 20th of the amps? To get the same result in wattage? So in theory to break the same amount of water into HHO at 12 volts you would need 20 times the amperage that you need at 240? I guess thats where a car battery cant keep up (adjusting with an acid eg. vinegar or lye NaOH what amperage you pull) E.g. 12 volt 10 amps= 120 Watts (and thats about the max you can achieve with a bat.), whereas if you pull 10 amps at 240 v = 2400 Watts. 20x power EASILY ACHIEVABLE!
amgprs 1 year ago
@iPlaymeta1 Pls. check my comment above.
amgprs 1 year ago
@clackdwack I agree, he need 3.3 volt across the plates at 15 amps. The higher the voltage the smaller the bubbles.. less space between plates too I find 3milimeter is optimum with little plates like that, rig in +nnn-nnn+ (+ is positive, n is neutral, - is negative)
Me102288 1 year ago
@clackdwack more amps, less volts.. get an ampmeter and test how many volts you get across the electrodes, thats all going to heat. I'd figure that little cell would pull around 5 volts at 15 amps fine. You want more hho, increase surface area of the electrodes. more metal = more voltage, reducing the gaps to 1/16 inch would helps squeeze thos bubbles out.. hope this helps
Me102288 10 months ago
thats weird, i would have thought that much voltage would have made a extreme amount of production (not saying thats low just had higher expectations), what does that cell get with 12v dc same amps? the idea with the toothbrush is a great idea! ill try that for sure!
4cylaregay 3 years ago
cell(number of plates)not big enough to have need for that amount of voltage
dacoffee2222 3 years ago
no havent tried sonic have tried pulsed signal through the voltage didnt do a great deal, it taking about 1 1/2 minutes to produce 1 litre of hydro, but the problem is that the water boils in about 2 minutes and then starts creating a pulseing sound throught the bubbles. vacuum then pressure
very strange.
clackdwack 4 years ago
@clackdwack hho generators are most efficient at 110F , if its turning the water to steam, increase the flat area of the plates and round off the edges....you want LESS then 3 volts hitting each plate and add electrolyte's a tiny bit at a time. if you shovel them in its going to jump up the amperage fast.. also plates closer together is less amps for more hydrogen, again is optimal heat is 110 farenheit.. Odd but everone says it increase's the output.
Me102288 1 year ago
Hello have you tried adding a vibration to your cell plats in the sonic rang? Say like that of a sonic tooth brush, my thinking is that it will help keep the bubbles off the plats and allow more production.
NaturalyUnatural 4 years ago
12amps, ill have a lpm test at the end of the week...
clackdwack 4 years ago
How many amps & how many lpm?
gagekko 4 years ago