I liked it. Bill got judged unfairly, IMO. It's hard to make a movie of a really good book---the standard is set way high.Maybe someone else COULD have done a better job, but at least Bill got it made, and liked it.
I share Somerset's birthday. I have always felt that his stories were talking to me directly out of the past. THis version has always been one of my favorites of all time. For me Bill Murray gave it a different take: the funny man who is confronting REALITY, mortality, morality & responsibility. Its message is LOST on so many people who are stuck on Bill's casting as Larry. Too bad for them.
The 1946 version with Tyrone Power, Gene Tierney, Anne Baxter, John Payne etc..was a wonderful, elegant movie, beautifully acted and directed. This new version was terrible and Bill Murray was totally miscast as Larry, he belongs in silly comedies only not in a movie based in a classic novel!
Yes, well maybe you would "get it' than if you noticed it is important. Please see this movie- seek it- or read the book which is even better! Cheers-
This final scene is tragic, heartwrenching, and poetic. This film has its flaws, but when you reach this scene...this one scene...suddenly those flaws are acceptable, and ultimately it makes you love the film more.
I did enjoy this movie probably Murray's best role however, this is a remake and hindsight has helped it along and because the audience for the remake are most likely not to have read Maughams Novel, the screen writers would have had to fill it out for a modern audience hence the inspiring dialogue from Murray I felt the Original movie was best .
THE best movie I ever saw. Bill Murray was excellent and this scene summed up his knowledged obtained through his quest. He was so kind to this woman after all she did to destroy Sophie and his own happiness. It was a beautiful thing. I also loved the scene with his real life brother on the battlefield "you will not be missed"
It says alot about life and how we conduct ourselves. It says alot sometimes about motivation and relationships. It says alot maybe on how we view life in connection to the spiritual.
I am glad this was available, and its brief swan song is timeless.
Thank you, and best wishes to all the viewers. :)
I also love the sad smile and the "...not now" it may be depressing-but it's great moment of clarity. It's like the opposite of the "get busy livin' or get busy dyin'" scene in shawshank redemption. But at different times in my life I can relate to both scenes.
@nickmooselives Good question. Made me think. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Well, my opinion is just one - as many can draw their own and sometimes we as people agree or disagree, or come close to an consensus. But, my belief is that this tale was a highly personal one for Maugham as well as Larry. The subject matter - finding your own values and beliefs changed as a result from war and experiences there - is a timeless one we will all debate. I think it was about spiritual growth.
@nickmooselives Spiritual growth a the theme but many things going on. I feel the film mirrored the book closely. It was about the rejection of old ways & discovering new solutions. It was about the rejection of superficial purpose & instead building a path to generosity & heart. To do all that one faces disapproval. Larry was brave to question & strive to achieve the love he sought. He ended up learning more than his new beliefs taught. It goes one. Hope that helps. Thx 4 writing. Best wishes.
what about love? What does this story say about love? Does it say that we shouldn't depend on other people for our happyness? That he lost the girl but found himself? That there are more important things than who you are with? Larry learns the error of defining yourself by what someone else thinks of you, or whether or not they are with you?
Is that what "it doesn't matter" means? because this woman is so desperate for others approval ? Could the lesson be about autonomy?
@trapadoored Great question. Thanks. Excellent to think about. I thought about it alot actually, as I watched. To keep it simple, when your intentions and motivations are drawing from the right place, the essence of Love can flourish and flow. With Larry, he was lost, hurting and scarred (from war) so there was a great need inside him. I think what made him strong was that he followed his beliefs. He learned not all comes together perfectly. He had to reject a part of previous thinking to grow.
@trapadoored To be fair, you posed alot of questions. I want to add a bit more. I think of the film as a spiritual journey, and for many love is that journey - but for Larry, who had seen & lost alot, felt he had to turn and walk another way to figure it out. Sophie was what felt right for him, because she was in his world, grounded, whereas Isabel could not relate to anything outside of her class responsibility, and he could not accept that. There's the line between the two girls, & his heart.
@trapadoored Last one. Happiness has to come within 1st to go out. He lost who he loved but not ability to love & can go forward. Yes, your path is shaped by far more than who you spend time with; connects high to your actions in life. Larry found meaning by challenging what he believed in, because that led him to war and experience loss/pain. 'Doesn't Matter' means stay present & don't look back, Isabel there reminded him of old self. Autonomy most def. Hope this helps. Thx again. Best wishes.
Still wondering, all this time later, is he happy, sad or just numb at the end of this scene this scene? Maybe its none of the above. Maybe he is simply stating a fact about the univeverse and it isn't about how it makes him feel to say it. Maybe "it doesn't matter"
@trapadoored Good question. There is probably truth to all of your statements. Each view will have their own interpretation I suppose. For me, the "it doesn't matter" line is very telling. Larry is saying that because of his spiritual journey, what he learned & saw & has been through, the basic emotions of love & desire are not the whole picture. There is more. She's trapped in that one vision while he has evolved (in a sense) more. Just my guess. Hope it helps. Thanks 4 UR comment.
Thanks for posting this. Could you post a longer version that includes Bill Murray climbing the steps and the end credits? I have this on video tape but the audio is messed up.
word up on posting this. This move is my faveorite 1 because its bill murrys best work. and 2 every time EVERY FUCKING time I watch this move it changes me. Not many films can do that over and over
where can I download this movie?
Delamarche 39 minutes ago
I liked it. Bill got judged unfairly, IMO. It's hard to make a movie of a really good book---the standard is set way high.Maybe someone else COULD have done a better job, but at least Bill got it made, and liked it.
protonman7 3 months ago
Always thought Murray was miscast in this film. Ironically he produced the film and overall is a good film. He's a very good actor, BTW.
jojopuppyfish 4 months ago
I share Somerset's birthday. I have always felt that his stories were talking to me directly out of the past. THis version has always been one of my favorites of all time. For me Bill Murray gave it a different take: the funny man who is confronting REALITY, mortality, morality & responsibility. Its message is LOST on so many people who are stuck on Bill's casting as Larry. Too bad for them.
KurtRussell1963 5 months ago
The 1946 version with Tyrone Power, Gene Tierney, Anne Baxter, John Payne etc..was a wonderful, elegant movie, beautifully acted and directed. This new version was terrible and Bill Murray was totally miscast as Larry, he belongs in silly comedies only not in a movie based in a classic novel!
1oscarespada 6 months ago
Nothing compared to Maughams book, or Goulding's Original movie interpretation
HAPPYTHELEAF 6 months ago
I love this movie. Piedmont the unapologetic is my favorite.
LoneHornToad 9 months ago
Yes, well maybe you would "get it' than if you noticed it is important. Please see this movie- seek it- or read the book which is even better! Cheers-
HeidiIvy 10 months ago
@HeidiIvy
and which do you recommend I do first? Read the book or watch the movie.
It sounds like the novel is less despondent in tone than the film, but I kind of like the way this scene feels.
- I've lost the person I love as well, not to death, but to someone else. I feel like I can relate to the hopelessness and resignation of this scene.
"There is no pay off. Not now." I like that.
trapadoored 8 months ago
This final scene is tragic, heartwrenching, and poetic. This film has its flaws, but when you reach this scene...this one scene...suddenly those flaws are acceptable, and ultimately it makes you love the film more.
aDifferentView 1 year ago
Supposedly Bill murray put this whole film together. Ironically, IMO, he miscast himself. Otherwise its a very good film
jojopuppyfish 1 year ago
i think mst3k should do this movie
supermariofan03 1 year ago
I did enjoy this movie probably Murray's best role however, this is a remake and hindsight has helped it along and because the audience for the remake are most likely not to have read Maughams Novel, the screen writers would have had to fill it out for a modern audience hence the inspiring dialogue from Murray I felt the Original movie was best .
HAPPYTHELEAF 1 year ago
Are there any clips posted with Mackenzie (the character)?
perfgeek 1 year ago
when i saw this flick is when i realized the talent bill murray had/has
unstabledavid 1 year ago
THE best movie I ever saw. Bill Murray was excellent and this scene summed up his knowledged obtained through his quest. He was so kind to this woman after all she did to destroy Sophie and his own happiness. It was a beautiful thing. I also loved the scene with his real life brother on the battlefield "you will not be missed"
SisterMaryK 1 year ago 2
"There is no payoff"
That line and its meaning has stayed with me.
It says alot about life and how we conduct ourselves. It says alot sometimes about motivation and relationships. It says alot maybe on how we view life in connection to the spiritual.
I am glad this was available, and its brief swan song is timeless.
Thank you, and best wishes to all the viewers. :)
MuizeekPhanahtic 1 year ago 4
@MuizeekPhanahtic Im glad to see that this movie meant so much to you and others,, It has meant alot to me,, so deep
diamondmoney007 1 year ago
@MuizeekPhanahtic
I also love the sad smile and the "...not now" it may be depressing-but it's great moment of clarity. It's like the opposite of the "get busy livin' or get busy dyin'" scene in shawshank redemption. But at different times in my life I can relate to both scenes.
nickmooselives 8 months ago
@MuizeekPhanahtic
so what do you think the main message of the film is? Do you feel it's the same as the books?
nickmooselives 5 months ago
@nickmooselives Good question. Made me think. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Well, my opinion is just one - as many can draw their own and sometimes we as people agree or disagree, or come close to an consensus. But, my belief is that this tale was a highly personal one for Maugham as well as Larry. The subject matter - finding your own values and beliefs changed as a result from war and experiences there - is a timeless one we will all debate. I think it was about spiritual growth.
MuizeekPhanahtic 5 months ago
@nickmooselives Spiritual growth a the theme but many things going on. I feel the film mirrored the book closely. It was about the rejection of old ways & discovering new solutions. It was about the rejection of superficial purpose & instead building a path to generosity & heart. To do all that one faces disapproval. Larry was brave to question & strive to achieve the love he sought. He ended up learning more than his new beliefs taught. It goes one. Hope that helps. Thx 4 writing. Best wishes.
MuizeekPhanahtic 5 months ago
@MuizeekPhanahtic
what about love? What does this story say about love? Does it say that we shouldn't depend on other people for our happyness? That he lost the girl but found himself? That there are more important things than who you are with? Larry learns the error of defining yourself by what someone else thinks of you, or whether or not they are with you?
Is that what "it doesn't matter" means? because this woman is so desperate for others approval ? Could the lesson be about autonomy?
trapadoored 4 months ago
@trapadoored Great question. Thanks. Excellent to think about. I thought about it alot actually, as I watched. To keep it simple, when your intentions and motivations are drawing from the right place, the essence of Love can flourish and flow. With Larry, he was lost, hurting and scarred (from war) so there was a great need inside him. I think what made him strong was that he followed his beliefs. He learned not all comes together perfectly. He had to reject a part of previous thinking to grow.
MuizeekPhanahtic 4 months ago
@trapadoored To be fair, you posed alot of questions. I want to add a bit more. I think of the film as a spiritual journey, and for many love is that journey - but for Larry, who had seen & lost alot, felt he had to turn and walk another way to figure it out. Sophie was what felt right for him, because she was in his world, grounded, whereas Isabel could not relate to anything outside of her class responsibility, and he could not accept that. There's the line between the two girls, & his heart.
MuizeekPhanahtic 4 months ago
@trapadoored Last one. Happiness has to come within 1st to go out. He lost who he loved but not ability to love & can go forward. Yes, your path is shaped by far more than who you spend time with; connects high to your actions in life. Larry found meaning by challenging what he believed in, because that led him to war and experience loss/pain. 'Doesn't Matter' means stay present & don't look back, Isabel there reminded him of old self. Autonomy most def. Hope this helps. Thx again. Best wishes.
MuizeekPhanahtic 4 months ago
@MuizeekPhanahtic
Still wondering, all this time later, is he happy, sad or just numb at the end of this scene this scene? Maybe its none of the above. Maybe he is simply stating a fact about the univeverse and it isn't about how it makes him feel to say it. Maybe "it doesn't matter"
trapadoored 1 month ago
@trapadoored Good question. There is probably truth to all of your statements. Each view will have their own interpretation I suppose. For me, the "it doesn't matter" line is very telling. Larry is saying that because of his spiritual journey, what he learned & saw & has been through, the basic emotions of love & desire are not the whole picture. There is more. She's trapped in that one vision while he has evolved (in a sense) more. Just my guess. Hope it helps. Thanks 4 UR comment.
MuizeekPhanahtic 1 month ago
beautiful unappriectaed movie
WCWite 1 year ago
Thanks for posting this. Could you post a longer version that includes Bill Murray climbing the steps and the end credits? I have this on video tape but the audio is messed up.
ronstealth 1 year ago
word up on posting this. This move is my faveorite 1 because its bill murrys best work. and 2 every time EVERY FUCKING time I watch this move it changes me. Not many films can do that over and over
AJkillface 1 year ago
yep. I have been around too many people in my life who "just don't get it" either. Thanks for posting this, one of the BEST stories ever!!!
HeidiIvy 1 year ago
@HeidiIvy
this means something. this is important. I haven't seen this movie but I can tell.
trapadoored 10 months ago
Bill Murray's greatest work ever.
joel1923 1 year ago
"You just don't get it!"
No s#it!
steelyman08 2 years ago