b)"(if the Free Software Foundation can't, no one can)"
c)"its development on a permissive platform can easily be the death of the operating system" care to rephrase that Jake? it sounds like you actually LIKE restrictive licensing BECAUSE it's restrictive.
Hi there, i'm currently running the baby through VirtualBox (very very easy to proceed) on a late-2009 iMac and it's screaming fast and shows lots of promises.
Of course, it is still a bit "raw" (to be honest, i installed it to give it a try on an end-user POV) and far from my needs, but - remember - it is still Alpha. On its time, MacOS X Beta (happy 10th by the way) was plagued by bugs...
I'm sure it (Haiku) will become a very decent alternative anytime in the future.
Another problem with Haiku is its X11 licensing, its development on a permissive platform can easily be the death of the operating system. Any company can learn from them, even directly take code, put it to use in their product and release the whole thing (well everything but the GNU Tools) as a new proprietary operating system. In other words, the main problem with Haiku is: even if they do develop something great, it may not remain Free Software forever, it may damage itself in the long run.
@eumegaf I specifically said "X11 licensing". Haiku is licensed under the permissive Free Software X11 license (also less-correctly known as the MIT license), which allows releasing originals and variations as proprietary software. Fortunately some parts are also GNU Software which are licensed under the GNU GPL, the copyleft license that ensures Free Software stays Free.
@eumegaf he said x11 licensing not that it used x11. Anyway, to the original point.....FreeBSD uses a permissive licence, your prophecy hasn't come true there has is Jake???
Haiku OS uses the "MIT License" which is also commonly referred to as the "X11 License" since X11 was one of the most prominent projects using a slight variation of it. It is not a Copy-left license.
@TheJakeDTH Isn't this what happend when Apple made Mac OS X? I think they took the Free/Open Source Darwin BSD and made Mac OS X (which you aren't even allowed to run on Hardware not made by Apple!)
I can hardly wait for Windows to go away, so that all the Libre/Open Source OS can battle it out. Wouldn't it be nice if instead of one standard OS that does everything (badly), people would actually get to pick an OS that fits what they are using the computer for?
@TheJakeDTH Isn't this what happened when Apple made Mac OS X? I think they took the Free/Open Source Darwin BSD and made Mac OS X (which you aren't even allowed to run on Hardware not made by Apple!)
I can hardly wait for Windows to go away, so that all the Libre/Open Source OS can battle it out. Wouldn't it be nice if instead of one standard OS that does everything (badly), people would actually get to pick an OS that fits what they are using the computer for?
People running Haiku seem to always talk about its speed, but what they don't realize is that once they've added support for all the different kinds of hardware assuming they can get companies to release code for it (if the Free Software Foundation can't, no one can) and improve on the looks the operating system will slow down. Also, Haiku doesn't run any better then something like Damn Small Linux or Debian GNU/Linux with LXDE, and both D.S.L. and Debian have much more stability and support.
@eumegaf Not quite. While Haiku uses a hybrid kernel (micro & monolithic) it will depend on how the developers decide to manage drivers. In a system with a monolithic kernel, every driver is in kernel space, in the actual kernel binary itself, the bigger the binary the slower the system will start & perform. If they decide that drivers are separate servers (microkernel approach) the system will perform better, if they put them in the kernel binary the system will perform no better than GNU+Linux
@eumegaf It has the potential to have speed, but it doesn't yet for many reasons. As far as I am concerned, it should mostly be written in C, not C++. We will see what results from this after everything is well optimized and fixed up, but until then it is ridiculously buggy and not fast at all.
@TheJakeDTH Haiku is not about speed but responsiveness to user input. On the same hardware, will be more responsive than any Linux distro regardless of the DE you may be using.
@TheJakeDTH Haiku is not about speed but responsiveness to user input. On the same hardware, will be more responsive than any Linux distro regardless of the DE you may be using.
@TheJakeDTH it certainly does run better. it is more responsive with less latency then everything else. It suffers a bit on through put but its also does many many things better. Its always a trade off. BTW linux and Haiku are not in anyway comparable. Linux is a throughput OS best used in situations where high performance is needed and responsiveness isn;t a demand. Haiku is better everywhere else. BTW the system your seeing is pretty much fully loaded
@TheJakeDTH well haiku is fast, also linux is, but linux is not a Desktop operating system even if it can do that, but trying to turn linux into a desktop os is as stupid as microsoft tried to turn windows to fulfill server os role.
linux kernel gets bloated every new version, even if you have the choice to compile a kernel that only suite your needs, linux is not as conservative as it should be i guess, the only thing keeping linux into desktops is simply more available software
I wish I had an SSD. I'm running it on my 1000HA. It doesn't do too bad on boot, from Grub to fully-useable GUI in about 11 seconds. I can't wait to see what they're going to call a stable release, though, as R1 A2 is pretty sweet as-is.
I love seeing new operating systems, but what is this going to be used for?
Chrome OS is going to dominate the netbook OS market. Sure, Haiku has a wonderful boot time, but Chrome OS is very fast as well. Then Microsoft is going to release Gazelle to compete with Google.
I don't want to make Haiku sound pointless, because I love the look and speed of it, but it doesn't really seem like it'll have a use vs other operating systems.
write this down and put it away. chrome is going nowhere. cloud computing will never catch on with corporations or small businesses, and tech bubble 2.o is about to burst. people want their files on their own hardware. would you really trust your data on a server thousands of miles away.....especially since google will be storing it? google is as bad as microsoft on antitrust issues. i say there should be dozens of operating systems to choose from.
ok the boot time is fast, it might be extremely reliable, but in 2009 users are expecting lot more than this, the interface looks like windows 95 or something even older and the applications, well, lets not talk about the applications since there is nothing to talk about ... Basically it will remain as a developer project and will never matter in the desktop market ....
have you tried it before? it's fast and free. nobody really needs a vista look. and it's also only the alpha. alpha means: just making it working. maybe in the beta there will be a new design
8 years of work... that's why it looks a little old, people want something different now :-/
Okay it's fast but you need applications, build by developers of different companies. Applications which are working together in an intuitive way. People must find a way to love it!!!
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YoursTrulySean 1 month ago
UGLYY!!!
Cakama3a 2 months ago
MY WIFI CARD IS INCOMPATIBLE >:(
khoraski 4 months ago
Did you ever get wifi working?
khoraski 4 months ago
In 2011 this does not look that fast: a Macbook Air fully boots in 14 seconds, this thing in 22.
activeplum 4 months ago
too bad no software devs acknowledge it
VVakaFlockaFlame 4 months ago
@takoylhsopensource Office, Browser, 3D modeling software, video edition and so on.
eumegaf 5 months ago
i came for the haiku i stayed for the music
CountCane1994 5 months ago
That fucking music WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
frenchpet 7 months ago
Signs that TheJakeDTH is a GNU-whore...
a)Uses four extra characters mentioning linux
b)"(if the Free Software Foundation can't, no one can)"
c)"its development on a permissive platform can easily be the death of the operating system" care to rephrase that Jake? it sounds like you actually LIKE restrictive licensing BECAUSE it's restrictive.
001HK0 8 months ago
@culerz Greatness takes time :-)
MultiJamala 8 months ago
I can't wait for Haiku to mature :)
MultiJamala 8 months ago
@MultiJamala we've been wating for a decade :P
culerz 8 months ago
Hi there, i'm currently running the baby through VirtualBox (very very easy to proceed) on a late-2009 iMac and it's screaming fast and shows lots of promises.
Of course, it is still a bit "raw" (to be honest, i installed it to give it a try on an end-user POV) and far from my needs, but - remember - it is still Alpha. On its time, MacOS X Beta (happy 10th by the way) was plagued by bugs...
I'm sure it (Haiku) will become a very decent alternative anytime in the future.
Switcher1972 1 year ago
does it support SiS Video Carts?
sulmann26 1 year ago
Another problem with Haiku is its X11 licensing, its development on a permissive platform can easily be the death of the operating system. Any company can learn from them, even directly take code, put it to use in their product and release the whole thing (well everything but the GNU Tools) as a new proprietary operating system. In other words, the main problem with Haiku is: even if they do develop something great, it may not remain Free Software forever, it may damage itself in the long run.
TheJakeDTH 1 year ago
@TheJakeDTH Haiku does not use X11 or any other kind of graphical server.
eumegaf 1 year ago 7
@eumegaf I specifically said "X11 licensing". Haiku is licensed under the permissive Free Software X11 license (also less-correctly known as the MIT license), which allows releasing originals and variations as proprietary software. Fortunately some parts are also GNU Software which are licensed under the GNU GPL, the copyleft license that ensures Free Software stays Free.
TheJakeDTH 1 year ago
@eumegaf he said x11 licensing not that it used x11. Anyway, to the original point.....FreeBSD uses a permissive licence, your prophecy hasn't come true there has is Jake???
scumbaguk 8 months ago
@eumegaf He was talking about the X11 license, not the server.
BrentRTaylor 7 months ago
He was talking about the X11 license, not the X11 server.
BrentRTaylor 7 months ago
@eumegaf License, not server. X11 License = MIT License...
SirEdgar2nd 6 months ago
@SirEdgar2nd Though, I just want to add I don't know how much I care about what Jake said, just want to put emphasis on what he meant. :/
SirEdgar2nd 6 months ago
@eumegaf He meant that it was under the *lax* MIT license, and it could be detrimental for the future of the project.
TopOnTheAndroid 2 weeks ago
@eumegaf
Haiku OS uses the "MIT License" which is also commonly referred to as the "X11 License" since X11 was one of the most prominent projects using a slight variation of it. It is not a Copy-left license.
tnoyca 2 weeks ago
@TheJakeDTH Isn't this what happend when Apple made Mac OS X? I think they took the Free/Open Source Darwin BSD and made Mac OS X (which you aren't even allowed to run on Hardware not made by Apple!)
I can hardly wait for Windows to go away, so that all the Libre/Open Source OS can battle it out. Wouldn't it be nice if instead of one standard OS that does everything (badly), people would actually get to pick an OS that fits what they are using the computer for?
Azendale 5 months ago
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@TheJakeDTH Isn't this what happened when Apple made Mac OS X? I think they took the Free/Open Source Darwin BSD and made Mac OS X (which you aren't even allowed to run on Hardware not made by Apple!)
I can hardly wait for Windows to go away, so that all the Libre/Open Source OS can battle it out. Wouldn't it be nice if instead of one standard OS that does everything (badly), people would actually get to pick an OS that fits what they are using the computer for?
Azendale 5 months ago
People running Haiku seem to always talk about its speed, but what they don't realize is that once they've added support for all the different kinds of hardware assuming they can get companies to release code for it (if the Free Software Foundation can't, no one can) and improve on the looks the operating system will slow down. Also, Haiku doesn't run any better then something like Damn Small Linux or Debian GNU/Linux with LXDE, and both D.S.L. and Debian have much more stability and support.
TheJakeDTH 1 year ago
@TheJakeDTH Haiku is fast because is well developed, the speed is in the programmers mind. Haiku is meant to be fast.
eumegaf 1 year ago 2
@eumegaf Not quite. While Haiku uses a hybrid kernel (micro & monolithic) it will depend on how the developers decide to manage drivers. In a system with a monolithic kernel, every driver is in kernel space, in the actual kernel binary itself, the bigger the binary the slower the system will start & perform. If they decide that drivers are separate servers (microkernel approach) the system will perform better, if they put them in the kernel binary the system will perform no better than GNU+Linux
TheJakeDTH 1 year ago
@eumegaf It has the potential to have speed, but it doesn't yet for many reasons. As far as I am concerned, it should mostly be written in C, not C++. We will see what results from this after everything is well optimized and fixed up, but until then it is ridiculously buggy and not fast at all.
TheWater911 2 months ago
@TheJakeDTH Haiku is not about speed but responsiveness to user input. On the same hardware, will be more responsive than any Linux distro regardless of the DE you may be using.
citi324 1 year ago
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@TheJakeDTH Haiku is not about speed but responsiveness to user input. On the same hardware, will be more responsive than any Linux distro regardless of the DE you may be using.
citi324 1 year ago
@TheJakeDTH it certainly does run better. it is more responsive with less latency then everything else. It suffers a bit on through put but its also does many many things better. Its always a trade off. BTW linux and Haiku are not in anyway comparable. Linux is a throughput OS best used in situations where high performance is needed and responsiveness isn;t a demand. Haiku is better everywhere else. BTW the system your seeing is pretty much fully loaded
21221411 1 year ago
@TheJakeDTH well haiku is fast, also linux is, but linux is not a Desktop operating system even if it can do that, but trying to turn linux into a desktop os is as stupid as microsoft tried to turn windows to fulfill server os role.
linux kernel gets bloated every new version, even if you have the choice to compile a kernel that only suite your needs, linux is not as conservative as it should be i guess, the only thing keeping linux into desktops is simply more available software
AhdelEssam 6 months ago
I wish I had an SSD. I'm running it on my 1000HA. It doesn't do too bad on boot, from Grub to fully-useable GUI in about 11 seconds. I can't wait to see what they're going to call a stable release, though, as R1 A2 is pretty sweet as-is.
arinlares 1 year ago
@arinlares I hope the SSD get more and more cheaper soon, HDDs mus DIE!
eumegaf 1 year ago
@eumegaf SSDs suck big dick, like all the other flash-type storage devices,
they are slower than HDDs in writting/erasing and their lifetime is very limited compared to the HDDs' one.
Plus some high grade HDDs are still faster in reading than most SSDs!
SSDs are only ideal for portable devices, nothing more!
GTAdministrator 1 year ago
@eumegaf this has just about happened.
TopOnTheAndroid 2 weeks ago
Better than Linux :P
chint 1 year ago
@chint It's surely going to be, at least in the desktop market, but is not better YET.
eumegaf 1 year ago
BeOS reborn hey? :D
I liked BeOS when it came out. Too bad it didn't last to keep developing. But Haiku makes up for the lost time.
LOLDISNEYLAND 1 year ago
I did not watched all of it (boring) What about wired and wireless connectivity ? Multimedia ? we don't see any of these here ??
unmedication 1 year ago
well .... i like as its unique ....but i dont think that its functional right now
cobraTheJoker 1 year ago
Man, I'd love Haiku if it was touched up on the look a bit.. Looks a little off in my opinion.
Radutsepesh 1 year ago
@Radutsepesh I guesst the people from #Haiku are working on it.
eumegaf 1 year ago
Why oh why did microsoft have to destroy Be?
MrSam123ni 1 year ago
Wow, it looks so much like a mac!
MsAvedis 1 year ago
What would the bootup speed be if I installed it on my X25-V (SSD)?
roflschofel 1 year ago
@roflschofel Maybe just a few seconds? Like 5 sec? :)
eumegaf 1 year ago
Why the hell can't mainstream OS's be this responsive? Even in a virtual machine Haiku loads almost instantly,
Yerzriknot 1 year ago
@Yerzriknot Coz they dont really care about us.
eumegaf 1 year ago
@Yerzriknot
It's not easy to get it that way.
I think Haiku will get slow, i mean, not slooow, but it will get a lil slow. right now it's very primitive, thus fast.
Haiku seems to be nice though, i tried booting it up and it didn't detect my mouse nor my keyboard though :(
RamiroR 1 year ago
orribles ese sistema operativo
pab7711 1 year ago
i like zeta...too bad it died :(
shriramvenu 1 year ago
@shriramvenu Yep, ZETA was pretty cool, light and fast.
eumegaf 1 year ago
Please help!! How to install programs to haiku?? Can i install programs as OpenOffice?
djwela 2 years ago
Hello my friend, just google for Haikuware. ;)
eumegaf 2 years ago
@djwela Yep, google for Haikuware
eumegaf 1 year ago
@eumegaf Thanks for your help! But i cant find drivers to Nvidia geforce 9600 :( can i port deb files to haiku?
djwela 1 year ago
@djwela Ah, i see, theres no hardware 3d support yet, no drivers yet. All 3d accell are done by the CPU.
eumegaf 1 year ago
I love seeing new operating systems, but what is this going to be used for?
Chrome OS is going to dominate the netbook OS market. Sure, Haiku has a wonderful boot time, but Chrome OS is very fast as well. Then Microsoft is going to release Gazelle to compete with Google.
I don't want to make Haiku sound pointless, because I love the look and speed of it, but it doesn't really seem like it'll have a use vs other operating systems.
milotictear 2 years ago
@milotictear
BeOS was focused on multimedia. Haiku could be same.
The computer musicians could be very beneficed with haiku os :D
excuse my english
MonosodicGlutamate 2 years ago
Security.
Less popular OS is always safer in general because nobody will make malwares.
Nowadays, I only use Linux to access Internet for online transactions, but if Linux got more popular, I'd switch to Haiku or OpenSolaris.
lostinxlation 2 years ago
write this down and put it away. chrome is going nowhere. cloud computing will never catch on with corporations or small businesses, and tech bubble 2.o is about to burst. people want their files on their own hardware. would you really trust your data on a server thousands of miles away.....especially since google will be storing it? google is as bad as microsoft on antitrust issues. i say there should be dozens of operating systems to choose from.
theedrstrangelove 2 years ago
I think Haiku and React have potential.
The name Haiku could change to a name that's more simple to remember.
BeOs was easy to remember.
Just wish they would get out of Alpha.
There definitely better than any Linux or Unix, I've seen.
CrewRite 2 years ago
ok the boot time is fast, it might be extremely reliable, but in 2009 users are expecting lot more than this, the interface looks like windows 95 or something even older and the applications, well, lets not talk about the applications since there is nothing to talk about ... Basically it will remain as a developer project and will never matter in the desktop market ....
segnale007 2 years ago
"but in 2009 users are expecting lot more than this"
like what?
What's missing in your oppinion that people expect.
Zidriz 2 years ago 2
have you tried it before? it's fast and free. nobody really needs a vista look. and it's also only the alpha. alpha means: just making it working. maybe in the beta there will be a new design
core36 2 years ago 3
@segnale007
I'm like the simplicity of Haiku Desktop. Eyecandy consumes a lot of usefully resources.
MonosodicGlutamate 2 years ago 2
Not really compiz can run on some pretty meager hardware... Haiku will probably at some point also have optional eye candy
cusbrar1 2 years ago
What you describe is exactly how Linux started.
RedNifre 2 years ago
amazing boot time
hijrakom 2 years ago 14
i kind of like the plainness. it's sort of refreshing somehow...
mynameisnicholas 2 years ago 3
8 years of work... that's why it looks a little old, people want something different now :-/
Okay it's fast but you need applications, build by developers of different companies. Applications which are working together in an intuitive way. People must find a way to love it!!!
DrumMeister 2 years ago
Seems nice and fast but a lil too gray for my likings. Very plain.
Bigpoppa00 2 years ago
FAASTT!!!!
Cabroni2 2 years ago 12