Curbing the Manipulation of Universal Jurisdiction

[EncompassedRunner]

Cotler's my personal hero, *but*,

Problem: the "should" does not nor will not align with international sentiment. World hatred of Israel has never been rational but supernatural & increasing.

@2:16, "what we need to do is, respect the principle of universal jurisdiction, eh, enforce it against those, where it be al-Bashir of Sudan or Ahmadinejad of Iran, and not selectively misuse & abuse that principle to single out Israelis for differential, discriminatory treatment."

Only in theory.

[ThunderAppeal]

I am Jewish, my family fled the soviet union, but I will tell you that I will do everything I can to prevent this so-called 'universal jurisdiction' in America. I will not allow the United States Constitution to be undermined by foreign ideologies of any nature. Israel is suffering under the hand of this idiotic idea of 'universal jurisdiction' because it has deviated from the precepts stated in Torah. I know you secular 'Jews' like to think that Torah is irrelevent.

[ThunderAppeal]

But you hold to that methodology to your own dismay.

This mealy mouthed, double talking bullshit is tiresome and leads to the creation of more problems. This 'professor' lives under the burden of the idea that Israel shouldnt do anything to protect itself lest it be considered an 'extremist' state. That is the same gutless ideology that put Jewish people in a position to be sent to the chambers in europe. Please dont insult my intelligence professor.

[midnight9wanderer]

There is a bigger lesson in this and that is that evolution is divergent, What made Israel exceptional was its divergence from the norm, and uniqueness and not its convergence. This is true for all great national entities and it not just nations. All we are fed in the world today by all sides of the aisles is convergent 'solutions'. That does release some energy and make a compound but it reduces overall potential, its basic entropy analysis applied to systems and predicts startlingly well.

[ThunderAppeal]

"What made Israel exceptional was its divergence from the norm,' I agree 100% very well put. Israel's strength is in fact its divergence of the norm, especially when it was liberated from the british and the arabs after WW2. The norm of the time was genocide on mass systematic scale. In all that evil that existed of the day Israel set forth to create a homeland for its people. Granted charity towards other nations is to be applauded, but not at the expense of ones own national security.

[midnight9wanderer]

Israel separated from the crap that was Euro liberalism, Asian socialism, pan Arabism, even the Keynsian Anglo American reduction (masquerading as global capitalism). Israel then produced a myriad of vital advances in communication and medicine tech. Regrettably there were many in the Western finance and 'progressive' academic sectors that while outwardly loyal to Israel, abandoned its best and more unique qualities and sought to bring the world into a greatly reduced state of 'universalism'.

[ThunderAppeal]

It is no small irony that the nazis and socilists have their roots in that 'pan-world wide, universal judirisdiction'. The nazi/socialists whole agenda was 'world wide conquest' with 'universal laws.' Neither Israel nor any other nation had to resort to 'universal jurisdiction' to put eichman or any other nazi on trial. But it did and very stupidly today Israel holds dear to those idiotic 'universal jurisdiction' concepts. Instead when it should be enforcing national sovereignty.

[midnight9wanderer]

Divergence is the real path of progress. Distinction is the mark of maturity.

Sovereign determination the sign of strength.

Efforts to put all available ingredients in a single stew always end with wasted food, confused and offended taste, and unsatisfied hunger.

[ThunderAppeal]

That is a superb, well structured high quality summary of the problems with 'universal jurisdiction.'

[ThunderAppeal]

Yes, many nations, entities supported Israels, but lately the moron liberal-left with 'feel good' politics in Israel have managed to undermine Israel much better than any foreign enemy can.

[midnight9wanderer]

I wish others were as wise. Most are scared to say the entire direction of the current is wrong, and instead swim diagonally, b/c in a more natural world that would be the best approach, but this is not such a world. Israel has been in a difficult situation b/c its seemed its best short term strategy in 20th century to support things like global govt but ignored that 1 billion muslims and a host of other foes would use that against it eventually. The entire West is being shown this, brutally.

[midnight9wanderer]

Universal jurisdictions are bad every way you cut them. Certainly there are ideal cases we can imagine where they would be of great benefit, but that is never going to be even approximated sufficiently in practice. Prof Colter should argue against it completely instead of just making a special case of where it went wrong as if Israel is the only one that could lose in such a scenario. I agree Israel is unfairly dealt with as he says but the concept of u-j is itself invalid; he should know.

[ThunderAppeal]

You are entirely correct. Making arguments for 'special cases' is idiotic. This professor is a typical leftist shlemazel. Professors like this live in their own little bubbles completely removed from the times they use as an argument for their cases.

If Israel instead argued for its own sovereignty rather than attempting to live under the burden of 'moral equivalence' they would be in a much better position.