I'm sorry. This was a video I didn't want to watch because I was afraid of what you would say, and what I would have to do. I think it is inexcusable to support the sex industry. I can find no information that it is positive in any way for those employed. After having watched it I dont feel I have any choice but to unsubscribe. Dark day.
@HappyCabbie Yeah, but doesnt that tell you something about the business? I'd kill myself because I imagine it to be one of the most humiliating, degrading and horrific things that someone could do to make a living.
@lambchopxoxo Not really, what am I missing? True many of the ladies I did business with probably did not enjoy it, but they continued to do business with me. Only one has ever refused to do business with me again. When I was doing it I ensured the ladies felt safe and they were compensated fairly for their time.
I am not saying prostitution is a great job. I just do see the reason to make it illegal.
@HappyCabbie Well theres a big difference between not enjoying something and being completely and totally humiliated and degraded feeling that you have to do something to survive or to have so little worth as a human being that you cannot or wont do anything else to make money. Thats a far cry from simply not enjoying something.
It might help everyone involved in this debate to ask why a sex worker wouldn't want to be a sex worker if other options were available.
Yes there are the health risks, yes there is the danger of violent clients, but measures can be taken to mitigate those issues.
What else is there? How about the stigma that self-righteously indignant cast upon them? If the stigma didn't exist, would sex work still be considered as much of an absolute last resort?
@SSJ3Ulcer in my opinion yes. Simply because there are people who just do not want to sleep with strangers for money. The stigma will always exist. However prohibition just doesn't work. It puts non violent criminals in jail. Make it legal.
Someone already pointed this out, but you have to annotate it:
HIV in the dormant phase IS detected by testing, it just doesn't show any symptoms, and can be transmitted to the community. However, if someone contracts HIV today it will not be detected by testing until the next 1-6 months (see: window period), but can, also, still infect others.
@Thulgore well it is the law of supply and demand. If prostitution was legalized and licenses were affordable it would drive out streetwalkers due to competition.
For example if you were a john would you rather pay 50-100 bucks for sex with someone who is tested and licensed or would you pay 50-100 bucks to someone who isn't.
We already have laws against loitering so that would cover any issues regarding those on the street who would not get much business anyway
@HappyCabbie Were it legalized nationwide, I suspect the cost of licenses would be covered by brothels in some fashion, perhaps through a contract arrangement. Kind of the way some trucking companies work with potential drivers who haven't yet gotten a CDL, and the way Nevada brothels work with their new whores.
analogising shitty jobs you've had to prostitution is not a legitimate comparison. sex work traumatises. if they're not enjoying it, thats having sex when you dont want it.. what is that called? its called rape. and the psychological effects on a prostitute can be the same as being raped. thats why many use drugs to distance themselves from the acts and their lives.
layin a few notes on the counter aint gonna change that effect on the psyche.
@SkidRowRadio Nope I have never raped anyone. Sure many of the women I was with probably did not enjoy it. However most of them were willing to do business with me again. I have only had one refuse to.
@HappyCabbie i didnt say you did HC. i explicitly stated that it is similar to the psychological effect on the woman. of course it is not literally rape. but the effect on the mind can be identical.
you said yourself, lots of hookers are having sex they dont want. to what degree do you think they dont want it? just a little? significantly? damagingly maybe?
"willing to do business".. so do you think capitalist gain eradicates mental problems? its irrelevant to their well being.
@SkidRowRadio There have been jobs that I have done that I hated. I hated my coworkers I hated the customers. I did it because it payed the bills. Each day I went home miserable. Should that job be illegal to?
If people don't want to be prostitutes they don't have to be. For those that are willing to do it for the money people like me are willing to pay for it.
@HappyCabbie it is not just any other job. an annoying taxi route is not going to effect you the same way as unwanted sex. unwanted intimacy. multiple times a day, often under duress. "if people dont want to be they dont have to..." for you to even say that HC, come on man.. you must know a hefty percentage of sex workers were coerced into it or ended up their cos of desperation.. this is not some life style choice.. no girl ever grew up wanting to be a prostitute.
@SkidRowRadio I agree. Most people do not grow up dreaming of being a prostitute. Most do it to pay their bills. However not all prostitutes are coerced into it. I avoid any prostitute that has a pimp. The ladies I did business with were just doing it to pay their bills nothing more. I had a good time and they were compensated.
I never said being a prostitute was fun. I just don't see the need to make it illegal.
@HC it doesnt have to be 'all' of them being coerced for it to be problematic. and they dont have to have a pimp to have ended up doing what they do for dark reasons..
its very easy to rationalise it all from your perspective as a john, HC. you do not know the traumas those women lived with, went home with. cried themselves to sleep with. you dont have to deal with that or see it. your analysis is very shallow imo
legality does not magically fix the problems. legitimacy only feeds black markets
sex pos feminism fails, not because of the perception of the people critiquing the sex industry, but because of the fact of the unneccesary suffering caused and legitimised by it.
to present sex work as a liberal 'choice' issue is to miss entirely the fact that the majority of people in the industry are there cos of a LACK of choice.
when you say "using a prostitute can be better than a relationship" you basically reduce the women to a wank machine. is that healthy?
@SkidRowRadio but you said you don't have a problem with porn, just prostitutes, remember. so it's not sex pos that fails it's sex workers demands for basic rights.
@SkidRowRadio Glad you think it sounds good. Like I'm here painting a picture that's untrue. I really wish you'd just come right out and call me a liar, ooj.
@SkidRowRadio also, i hope i didn't misrepresent you. I have a vague memory of your position from an old video or series of comments I think. It's not porn so much as prostitution. Am I right?
i go to costa rica where prostitution is legal and the girls make a nice buck doing it.. they also have a choice to make $5 dollars a day or $400 dollars a day... no brainier...
I sold my body to a warehouse moving shit around for $7.50 an hour for a year and a half. Are the antis disgusted and horrified that my body was used in such a manner for so cheap?
I can't tell you how grateful I am to see this video, thanks! The "demand" side of sex-industry supply and demand is a woefully underrepresented and unfairly demonized group in this whole thing. I got into it with somebody on Reddit the other day whose assertion was that because the sex industry is exploitive, by definition anyone purchasing its services is "evil". What a crock. I'm friends with a guy who purchased services from over 100 mid-range prostitutes in Manhattan. I may do a video on it
@PaulineTriage well no doubt some people hire prostitutes just to do them harm. However in each case that I did it I laid out exactly what I wanted and ensured the lady was comfortable doing it. I have only had one lady refuse to do business with me again.
HIV will still be detected even when its dormant. However, it takes up to 6 months for a new infection to be detectable. If its not detectable, then the chances of transmission are much lower. Still, early on in the infection, once it becomes detectable mind you, it will go through a period of high infectivity. At this point one might experience some flu-like symptoms, and then the virus will proceed to a dormant, but still infective and detectable phase.
@HappyCabbie Well that's true, but they are on the order of 99% effective if administered properly. For example, the Rapid Oral HIV test that I've taken is 99.8% accurate when it says you are NOT infected, and 99.3% accurate when it says you ARE infected.
Respect from me because of course are not only sex workers stigmatized, Johns are stigmatized too.
This whole debate is an exercise in perspective taking and judgment. Perhaps we all should contemplate walking in another persons moccasins a few miles before claiming to understand, and in lieu of that listen a lot more then speak and judge.
@HappyCabbie yea, I know. figured the :-) was enought to signify that it was a sarcastic remark, but I guess you kinda knew it, but wanted to be on the safe side anyway.
Great video/blog! It goes through Heather's video fairly without the angry ad-hom attacks I've been seeing since ZJ put that video out. This was very informative.
I have a pretty serious problem with your argument... You imply you're ugly or undesirable, when, in fact you're not a bad looking guy =P. Other than that, I agree - we need strict regulations, licenses (Fairly priced), testing, condoms (Always), 2-3 clean background for owner/workers, etc.
@jonatcer actually I did not say that. When I said a large percentage of the ladies I hired probably did not enjoy it I was referring to what I was having them do. I can and have had girlfriends but many times hiring a prostitute was easier than dealing with a relationship. That being said I only had one lady ever refuse to do business with me again.
you do raise some good points for the legalization option though i still would prefer unionships over government regulatory taxation that would come with a licensing
@HappyCabbie the problem is that governmental licensing is the terms set by the government and not the actual workers . unlike a unionship license which mutal contract between workers and govern body which only a conseus of workers and govern body can change , governmental license can be amended by which ever party and voters is there at time , which wouldn't actually serve the interest of the worker , take a look at what happen to the steel workers and auto manufacteurs etc
Thank you so much for calling attention to and for supporting sex worker's rights. Anyone claiming to want to help people by DENYING them their rights is obviously insincere and has an ulterior motive.
Oh man, you just gave the opposition an opening with the sausages comment. But anyway, they're dealing with more than your junk. That is all. I'll probably make a response and I really liked your blog on this.
@Godlessons no, because I have not needed the services of a prostitute for quite some time. This is in the past and it is nothing I haven't discussed before
I agree, paying a prostitute is the second best thing to a one night stand, which is still one step above a relationship (unless it's a friends with benefits, which is number one on the list). And it's true, many prostitutes wouldn't do the job if they had other means to survive but that doesn't matter. Shit, I joined the military and I sure as hell wouldn't have done that if I wasn't poor and had to drop out of college, but I made that decision and for the most part, it helped.
I just saw a prostitute over the holiday break. A legal one in NV. She says she likes what she does. And I believe her because she had a real orgasm. I know it was real because I was down there. This was my second visit to a prostitute. I hope it becomes legal. If it were legal in other places there would be more of them. More selection.
@HappyCabbie It was 3000 for 2 hours. I got a discount for my first time with her. She is usually 2k an hour. It was Ruby Rae at loveranch north. The legal ones are so expensive. Next time I'm going to an illegal one for cheaper.
In some areas where this "just like any other job" has been touted, women have gone to collect unemployment, and the office says no you didn't apply to the "hospitality" sector. So should women let men fuck them because they are unemployed and it's just like any other job? How about we stop saying ridiculous things like that and how about the sex pos people do the correcting on this once in awhile when they KNOW it's a lie. (anger).
@IndifferentSky Well maybe if it was legal, a woman who gets assaulted can actually go to the police without fear of getting arrested for what she did and that person can get treated like any other assailant, not like he "stole a loaf of bread".
And yes women should let men fuck them because they are unemployed and it's like any other job, just as long as they choose to do so. It's also not just limited to women getting fucked and men doing the fucking.
@IndifferentSky Well I disagree. I do not see the difference between going to a prostitute or going to McDonalds. In both cases I am dealing with someone who probably hates their job.
Robbery is against my will and consent, and assault can be traumatic. What is the difference if someone sodomizes me, or rapes me? Or forces me to give oral? Should the criminal be treated like he stole a loaf of bread? Also I can train my kids to be a cashier and work at a bank, can I train my kids for this? It's just like any other job. OR is the sane position that sexuality is different and being fucked is different? Side affects from "hooking" same is side effects from rape.
@alsdfalsdvjoen so it's all the same, and you're ignoring all the points I made. I also think you worded your comment strange, I'm trying to get the meaning of it, what you meant, versus what it really says. All work is like rape? Read your comment again, I don't mind discussing this, but what you said makes no sense. All work is rape? WAT. Not even all jobs out side of this are the "same" as far as exploitation goes. People are just not making sense when they are talking about this.
@IndifferentSky You say you cant be a prostitute because rape is special... comparing it to robbery... when it should be compared to slavery. the points were flawed you compared robbery to rape.. I told you the difference.
@alsdfalsdvjoen 2. "in a robbery you are not doing something else to someone's body" but in an assault you are. You hurt someone's body. Are assault and rape the same? If so why not? Are we just hysterical about rape? Also, like I asked... if you rape a prostitute that obviously means you just didn't pay. So it's not like raping a "regular"person, right? There are TWO types of women right? So in some areas there have been TWO sentences depending on the woman. Deal with my actual comment plz.
@IndifferentSky if you have sex with a prostitute under the pretence that you would pay afterwards and then do not, then you would have committed some crime akin to theft.
If you forcibly penetrate a prostitute without consent, even under false pretence, you have committed rape.
@LeoMRogers I'd go a step further. Under contract with a sex worker, she changes her mind and her customer doesn't stop when she says stop, that is rape. Whether she'd be able to prosecute is a different matter. It's still rape.
@xxxild well, that is where it gets more complicated, i think it would depend on whether she returned the money to him (if he had paid before hand), if she didnt, then it would be a theft issue, as she deprived him of a product he had paid for. If she did return the money when withdrawing consent, then it would be a rape issue. I think it would be a lot easier to distinguish if it were a brothel.
@LeoMRogers Complications will no doubt arise. However, she's selling a service, usually marked by her time and/or what she'll consider doing. If a man cant perform or doesn't have an orgasm he still pays. Just because she's a sex worker doesn't mean she's guaranteeing the time is going to be great, and if boundaries get crossed, she has a right to say stop and still get paid for being there. Nature of the business as I see it.
@LeoMRogers It does get more complicated, but only when it comes to prosecution. If she has evidence of rape, but then, the money isn't the most important thing in that case.
@IndifferentSky well theoretically you could train your kids to be prostitutes but I would not advise it. Most parents would not want their children to be sex workers.
It's just like any other job, so if someone uses the "time" and does not pay, is that rape, or just stealing? After all it's nothing. There is nothing special about it, so this leads to the next point. You can define that as rape because there was no consent, but obviously this "rape" is just like any other crime. This is why in some areas johns GET LESSER SENTENCES FOR RAPING PROSTITUTES because hey what's the big deal about sex? It's just any other ole thing now. Robbery is against consent.
You said they are making the choice. So we need to cherry pick the ones that claim it's their choice. Do you have statistics globally on how many are NOT choosing it? Do those people matter? Are the connected to the ones that are? These are the questions that are important because it involves slavery. You suggesting fucking is just like any other job is also an outrageous claim that needs documentation. Fucking strangers is not just like any other job and that is a harmful myth.
So you say you *have* met some that *seem* to enjoy it, and you were not concerned about the ones that might not have wanted to do it. Have you ever considered the effect of this work when people don't like it? So you basically devalue sexuality as a "job" and I'm not talking morals here, I'm talking about letting a sick stranger fuck you. So basically men get a very strange view of sexuality due to this work. Thanks for confirming that. :/ sad.
Why don't porn stars have the same social problems selling sex that prostitutes have? Is it because we've gotten so jaded by television and so used to things on tv not being real that it just doesn't dawn on us that a woman having sex for money is a woman having sex for money no matter where you put the camera?
Cabby, I hope did it legally. If you didn't, you could have been supporting forced prostitution.
I think prostitution should be legal and heavily regulated, but I don't agree with one of your arguments. The youtube comments limitation doesn't allow me to elaborate on that.
On a side note, I wonder why sex workers in Nevada don't just create their own non-profit brothel by prostitutes for prostitutes so they can get better wages.
@Mutex50 They wouldn't be able to get a permit to operate there, likely because it's very expensive to do so, among other reasons mainly the local politics. <3
@MaoistRebelNews2 no, he means purchasing time. A prostitution client doesn't purchase a human being.. that would be slavery. Simply because someone is paying you for time and services does not mean they own you. You still have rights, and can say no and leave at any time. I say this as a former prostitute, of sorts.
@MaoistRebelNews2 Well you didn't say much, did you? "lol good one" was entirely too succinct for soneone to take much meaning from it, and you certainly didn't address pfarabee's point.
@BobChaos23 Hey bob,is it true you like to stuff dead rats up you're ass and give bj's to aids infested camels for $50?if so, I think you're too fucking ugly for that line of work.
@MaoistRebelNews2 There's no real difference between paying for sex and paying for a massage, hiring someone to design a webpage for you, or whatever. You pay for a limited service from an individual, that's it. What's different is YOUR idea of what you're willing to share or supply a customer with, and YOUR idea is relevant for only one person - You. As long as its supplied out of free will, there's no harm in it. This is a fact.
@xxhellspawnedxx Your are claiming that using the financial distress of woman to force her to have sex with you has no negative effects on her. Where are the studies to prove this? You have no evidence to support your claim.
@shirehorse91 So now, every time a woman needs money it's distress? And her financial distress forces her to offer sexual services...or is it the market for services that drive her to *choose to offer her services. I don't get the stupid. Pls explain.
@xxxild And you ask this ridiculous question to a user who states that as long as it's supplied by free will, there's no harm: You ask for studies to prove it and evidence. Wow, really painful reading here son. And I didn't even bother with the ones people have marked as spam. I'd take you to be booboo but I don't know...
@shirehorse91 My claim was you weren't reading the comment of the person to whom you replied, or, if you were, you weren't making sense in response. But, ok, I'll bite. What evidence do I have? How about the hundreds of thousands of sex workers across the *globe, that are not lying when they say they are consensually offering their services and want basic rights. Would that be good enough for you?
@xxxild You need to reread the comments. Yah sure, the prostitutes of the world are all happy hookers skipping thorough life. Show me a study that supports your claim or take you con somewhere else.
@shirehorse91 why aren't sex workers allowed to have a range of feelings about their work and their different clients? I'm curious as to why they have to have super awesome sex all the time. Do you have that? Is every sexual encounter you have amazing for both people? And no, show me a STUDY that supports that sex workers are lying. Idiot. I don't have to prove happiness. Nobody's claiming to be ecstatic.
@xxhellspawnedxx Your are claiming that using the financial distress of woman to force her to have sex with you has no negative effects on her. Where are the studies to prove this? You have no evidence to support your claim.
@xxhellspawnedxx Your are claiming that using the financial distress of woman to force her to have sex with you has no negative effects on her. Where are the studies to prove this? You have no evidence to support your claim.
@xxhellspawnedxx You are claiming that using the financial pressure to force a woman to have sex with you has no negative effects on her. Where are the studies to prove this? You have no evidence to support your claim.
@MaoistRebelNews2 You are dead on with that comment. IndifferentSky just did a great video on this. Also, rubbleofempires has a great series on prostitution.
I'm sorry. This was a video I didn't want to watch because I was afraid of what you would say, and what I would have to do. I think it is inexcusable to support the sex industry. I can find no information that it is positive in any way for those employed. After having watched it I dont feel I have any choice but to unsubscribe. Dark day.
htomerif 3 weeks ago
Very sensible and level headed stuff.
Following this topic and the back and forth between the combatants has been a real education for me.
I have led a very sheltered life!
8-)
richo61 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
WOW---inbred and still able to use a computer---impressive!
ANlKADAX 1 month ago
Well written and I agree 100%. Your videos and opinions are great. Keep it up. :-)
cremice78 1 month ago
@cremice78 thank you so much.
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
@calumlittle Well thanks for at least giving it a try.
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
To be honest, if I had to resort to being paid for sex in order to live or survive I would commit suicide first. I'm not kidding.
lambchopxoxo 1 month ago
@lambchopxoxo many people feel that way. Everyone has a right to chose this type of business or to refuse this type of business
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
@HappyCabbie Yeah, but doesnt that tell you something about the business? I'd kill myself because I imagine it to be one of the most humiliating, degrading and horrific things that someone could do to make a living.
lambchopxoxo 1 month ago
@lambchopxoxo Not really, what am I missing? True many of the ladies I did business with probably did not enjoy it, but they continued to do business with me. Only one has ever refused to do business with me again. When I was doing it I ensured the ladies felt safe and they were compensated fairly for their time.
I am not saying prostitution is a great job. I just do see the reason to make it illegal.
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
@HappyCabbie Well theres a big difference between not enjoying something and being completely and totally humiliated and degraded feeling that you have to do something to survive or to have so little worth as a human being that you cannot or wont do anything else to make money. Thats a far cry from simply not enjoying something.
lambchopxoxo 1 month ago
@lambchopxoxo well I have had jobs were I was totally degraded. What is the difference between that job and someone who choses to be a prostitute?
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
@HappyCabbie Jobs that you think compares to offering the most intimate part of your body to a person for money? Be honest.
lambchopxoxo 1 month ago
@lambchopxoxo In order to be a prostitute you have to learn how to separate emotion from sex. Most people can not do that.
I never said it was a great job. My point is I don't see why it should be illegal.
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
Oh my god
lambchopxoxo 1 month ago
It might help everyone involved in this debate to ask why a sex worker wouldn't want to be a sex worker if other options were available.
Yes there are the health risks, yes there is the danger of violent clients, but measures can be taken to mitigate those issues.
What else is there? How about the stigma that self-righteously indignant cast upon them? If the stigma didn't exist, would sex work still be considered as much of an absolute last resort?
SSJ3Ulcer 1 month ago
@SSJ3Ulcer in my opinion yes. Simply because there are people who just do not want to sleep with strangers for money. The stigma will always exist. However prohibition just doesn't work. It puts non violent criminals in jail. Make it legal.
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
pervert.
sWeepingsAnd 1 month ago
@sWeepingsAnd why do you think I am a pervert?
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
@HappyCabbie you're a hooker buyer.
sWeepingsAnd 1 month ago
@sWeepingsAnd so, why does that make me a pervert?
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
@HappyCabbie pretty obvious.
sWeepingsAnd 1 month ago
@sWeepingsAnd it is not obvious to me
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
I'm also a former John, but I like my new name better.
squirreljester2 1 month ago
@squirreljester2 good job
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
WIll you make a response to the 2nd video?
Mectrixctic 1 month ago
@Mectrixctic No, I said everything I needed to say in the blog post
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
happycabbie=allen bornstein.
alsdfalsdvjoen 1 month ago
@calumlittle thanks
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
Dude not tryna be a dick or anything but. Lose the hat
ryver101 1 month ago
@ryver101 But the hat is the epitome of awesome.
godshiva 1 month ago
@ryver101 it would be hard for me to lose it because I keep everything organized
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
Someone already pointed this out, but you have to annotate it:
HIV in the dormant phase IS detected by testing, it just doesn't show any symptoms, and can be transmitted to the community. However, if someone contracts HIV today it will not be detected by testing until the next 1-6 months (see: window period), but can, also, still infect others.
Suiton1 1 month ago
@Suiton1 Still testing is better than no testing
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
@HappyCabbie
You missed my point. My reply was a response to --> 8:20 - 8:30
"Some people would object to mandatory testing saying that it isn't really that effective, for example: AIDS can lay dormant for 8 years."
I was asking you to annotate it, because dormant or not it will be detected by testing, savor the window period.
Suiton1 1 month ago
I would say her video is more of a straw man argument about sex positive feminism.
sonnygll 1 month ago
I think whore houses should be legal. I think street prostitution should not be. Just for a sheer work endangerment issue.
Thulgore 1 month ago
@Thulgore well it is the law of supply and demand. If prostitution was legalized and licenses were affordable it would drive out streetwalkers due to competition.
For example if you were a john would you rather pay 50-100 bucks for sex with someone who is tested and licensed or would you pay 50-100 bucks to someone who isn't.
We already have laws against loitering so that would cover any issues regarding those on the street who would not get much business anyway
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
@HappyCabbie Were it legalized nationwide, I suspect the cost of licenses would be covered by brothels in some fashion, perhaps through a contract arrangement. Kind of the way some trucking companies work with potential drivers who haven't yet gotten a CDL, and the way Nevada brothels work with their new whores.
CaptainSmallFoot 1 month ago
analogising shitty jobs you've had to prostitution is not a legitimate comparison. sex work traumatises. if they're not enjoying it, thats having sex when you dont want it.. what is that called? its called rape. and the psychological effects on a prostitute can be the same as being raped. thats why many use drugs to distance themselves from the acts and their lives.
layin a few notes on the counter aint gonna change that effect on the psyche.
SkidRowRadio 1 month ago
@SkidRowRadio Nope I have never raped anyone. Sure many of the women I was with probably did not enjoy it. However most of them were willing to do business with me again. I have only had one refuse to.
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
@HappyCabbie i didnt say you did HC. i explicitly stated that it is similar to the psychological effect on the woman. of course it is not literally rape. but the effect on the mind can be identical.
you said yourself, lots of hookers are having sex they dont want. to what degree do you think they dont want it? just a little? significantly? damagingly maybe?
"willing to do business".. so do you think capitalist gain eradicates mental problems? its irrelevant to their well being.
SkidRowRadio 1 month ago
@SkidRowRadio There have been jobs that I have done that I hated. I hated my coworkers I hated the customers. I did it because it payed the bills. Each day I went home miserable. Should that job be illegal to?
If people don't want to be prostitutes they don't have to be. For those that are willing to do it for the money people like me are willing to pay for it.
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
@HappyCabbie it is not just any other job. an annoying taxi route is not going to effect you the same way as unwanted sex. unwanted intimacy. multiple times a day, often under duress. "if people dont want to be they dont have to..." for you to even say that HC, come on man.. you must know a hefty percentage of sex workers were coerced into it or ended up their cos of desperation.. this is not some life style choice.. no girl ever grew up wanting to be a prostitute.
SkidRowRadio 1 month ago
@SkidRowRadio I agree. Most people do not grow up dreaming of being a prostitute. Most do it to pay their bills. However not all prostitutes are coerced into it. I avoid any prostitute that has a pimp. The ladies I did business with were just doing it to pay their bills nothing more. I had a good time and they were compensated.
I never said being a prostitute was fun. I just don't see the need to make it illegal.
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
@HC it doesnt have to be 'all' of them being coerced for it to be problematic. and they dont have to have a pimp to have ended up doing what they do for dark reasons..
its very easy to rationalise it all from your perspective as a john, HC. you do not know the traumas those women lived with, went home with. cried themselves to sleep with. you dont have to deal with that or see it. your analysis is very shallow imo
legality does not magically fix the problems. legitimacy only feeds black markets
SkidRowRadio 1 month ago
@SkidRowRadio It is none of my concern if they cry themselves to sleep or not. You think I never worked a job where I was stressed out?
It is very simple. I want sex and sometimes paying for it is the simplest option. There are some women who want my money.
It is a business transaction. I get what I want and they leave with what they came after.
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
sex pos feminism fails, not because of the perception of the people critiquing the sex industry, but because of the fact of the unneccesary suffering caused and legitimised by it.
to present sex work as a liberal 'choice' issue is to miss entirely the fact that the majority of people in the industry are there cos of a LACK of choice.
when you say "using a prostitute can be better than a relationship" you basically reduce the women to a wank machine. is that healthy?
SkidRowRadio 1 month ago
@SkidRowRadio but you said you don't have a problem with porn, just prostitutes, remember. so it's not sex pos that fails it's sex workers demands for basic rights.
xxxild 1 month ago
@xxxild yea, sounds good when you frame it like its some kind of legitimate employment issue, dont it?
SkidRowRadio 1 month ago
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xxxild 1 month ago
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@SkidRowRadio Glad you think it sounds good. Like I'm here painting a picture that's untrue. I really wish you'd just come right out and call me a liar, ooj.
xxxild 1 month ago
@SkidRowRadio also, i hope i didn't misrepresent you. I have a vague memory of your position from an old video or series of comments I think. It's not porn so much as prostitution. Am I right?
xxxild 1 month ago
@xxxild cant remember tbh. i probably did say i think prostitution is more problematic, but i certainly dont think porn is 'not a problem' at all.
SkidRowRadio 1 month ago
@xxxild 2/2 let me just say now, cos i havnt the time to get into it with you, ive no desire to see SWers criminalised.
so no, i dont "have a problem with prostitutes". i have a problem with the johns who think its all so simple.
SkidRowRadio 1 month ago
Then don't be a sex worker. The sex workers demanding rights are not asking for your opinion or your salvation.
xxxild 1 month ago
i go to costa rica where prostitution is legal and the girls make a nice buck doing it.. they also have a choice to make $5 dollars a day or $400 dollars a day... no brainier...
jdp20ipitt 1 month ago
@jdp20ipitt sounds like fun
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
@HappyCabbie it is a blast.... they also enjoy taking pics... costaricaticas
jdp20ipitt 1 month ago
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parsonman05 1 month ago
@acromagnonman nice to meet you
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
They aren't always working with sausage. Sometimes they handle clams and fresh cherries lol
NoNamesLeft0102 1 month ago
@NoNamesLeft0102 indeed.
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
I sold my body to a warehouse moving shit around for $7.50 an hour for a year and a half. Are the antis disgusted and horrified that my body was used in such a manner for so cheap?
AssRapingHorseCock 1 month ago
@AssRapingHorseCock oh no, your work is considered honorable by them. However I myself do agree with your point.
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
I can't tell you how grateful I am to see this video, thanks! The "demand" side of sex-industry supply and demand is a woefully underrepresented and unfairly demonized group in this whole thing. I got into it with somebody on Reddit the other day whose assertion was that because the sex industry is exploitive, by definition anyone purchasing its services is "evil". What a crock. I'm friends with a guy who purchased services from over 100 mid-range prostitutes in Manhattan. I may do a video on it
PaulineTriage 1 month ago
@PaulineTriage well no doubt some people hire prostitutes just to do them harm. However in each case that I did it I laid out exactly what I wanted and ensured the lady was comfortable doing it. I have only had one lady refuse to do business with me again.
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
Yay, legalisation.
tyrongkojy 1 month ago
@tyrongkojy thanks
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
HIV will still be detected even when its dormant. However, it takes up to 6 months for a new infection to be detectable. If its not detectable, then the chances of transmission are much lower. Still, early on in the infection, once it becomes detectable mind you, it will go through a period of high infectivity. At this point one might experience some flu-like symptoms, and then the virus will proceed to a dormant, but still infective and detectable phase.
hotlavatube 1 month ago
@hotlavatube well testing is not 100 accurate, however testing is still more effective than not testing.
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
@HappyCabbie Well that's true, but they are on the order of 99% effective if administered properly. For example, the Rapid Oral HIV test that I've taken is 99.8% accurate when it says you are NOT infected, and 99.3% accurate when it says you ARE infected.
hotlavatube 1 month ago
*hums the songs from 'Best little whorehouse in Texas'*
hotlavatube 1 month ago
Please stop wearing that hat.
messenger360 1 month ago
@messenger360 but I love it
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
Respect from me because of course are not only sex workers stigmatized, Johns are stigmatized too.
This whole debate is an exercise in perspective taking and judgment. Perhaps we all should contemplate walking in another persons moccasins a few miles before claiming to understand, and in lieu of that listen a lot more then speak and judge.
socrates856 1 month ago
@socrates856 well I can't do that because I always instruct the ladies to take off their shoes
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
Thanks for sharing
BlueJupiter91 1 month ago
@BlueJupiter91 thanks for watching
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
YOU?!?!?! the happy cabbie used to be a cab driver? WOW. I would have never guessed.
:-)
eyallev 1 month ago
@eyallev that is how I got my name and eventually I used it for my YouTube channel
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
@HappyCabbie yea, I know. figured the :-) was enought to signify that it was a sarcastic remark, but I guess you kinda knew it, but wanted to be on the safe side anyway.
still, thanks for feeding this little troll.
eyallev 1 month ago
I gotta get this to Sexual Futurist as this is GOLD! ^^
A.G.
AussieGriffin 1 month ago
@AussieGriffin ok
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
Great video/blog! It goes through Heather's video fairly without the angry ad-hom attacks I've been seeing since ZJ put that video out. This was very informative.
theoxymoronfromtexas 2 months ago
@theoxymoronfromtexas Well I am hoping ZJ does a follow up video on this.
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
I have a pretty serious problem with your argument... You imply you're ugly or undesirable, when, in fact you're not a bad looking guy =P. Other than that, I agree - we need strict regulations, licenses (Fairly priced), testing, condoms (Always), 2-3 clean background for owner/workers, etc.
jonatcer 2 months ago
@jonatcer actually I did not say that. When I said a large percentage of the ladies I hired probably did not enjoy it I was referring to what I was having them do. I can and have had girlfriends but many times hiring a prostitute was easier than dealing with a relationship. That being said I only had one lady ever refuse to do business with me again.
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
you do raise some good points for the legalization option though i still would prefer unionships over government regulatory taxation that would come with a licensing
jmm1233 2 months ago
@jmm1233 well with licenses you can pay for health inspectors who can do random checks much in the same way the health inspector does for restaurants
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
@HappyCabbie the problem is that governmental licensing is the terms set by the government and not the actual workers . unlike a unionship license which mutal contract between workers and govern body which only a conseus of workers and govern body can change , governmental license can be amended by which ever party and voters is there at time , which wouldn't actually serve the interest of the worker , take a look at what happen to the steel workers and auto manufacteurs etc
jmm1233 1 month ago
Thank you so much for calling attention to and for supporting sex worker's rights. Anyone claiming to want to help people by DENYING them their rights is obviously insincere and has an ulterior motive.
Divinity33372 2 months ago
@Divinity33372 thanks for watching
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
Oh man, you just gave the opposition an opening with the sausages comment. But anyway, they're dealing with more than your junk. That is all. I'll probably make a response and I really liked your blog on this.
xxxild 2 months ago
@xxxild well video responses are set to automatic approval
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
Talking about your experiences with prostitutes isn't talking about your personal life? I think you're slipping on that front.
Godlessons 2 months ago
@Godlessons no, because I have not needed the services of a prostitute for quite some time. This is in the past and it is nothing I haven't discussed before
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
I agree, paying a prostitute is the second best thing to a one night stand, which is still one step above a relationship (unless it's a friends with benefits, which is number one on the list). And it's true, many prostitutes wouldn't do the job if they had other means to survive but that doesn't matter. Shit, I joined the military and I sure as hell wouldn't have done that if I wasn't poor and had to drop out of college, but I made that decision and for the most part, it helped.
Snowgoon901 2 months ago
@Snowgoon901 well said
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
The biggest disadvantage is not having someone make you a sammich.
HybridD91 2 months ago
@HybridD91 Hey you can hire one to come make you a sammich
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
I just saw a prostitute over the holiday break. A legal one in NV. She says she likes what she does. And I believe her because she had a real orgasm. I know it was real because I was down there. This was my second visit to a prostitute. I hope it becomes legal. If it were legal in other places there would be more of them. More selection.
nealithh 2 months ago
@nealithh How'd she taste?
HybridD91 2 months ago
@HybridD91 Sweet and tangy.
nealithh 2 months ago
@nealithh or maybe you paid her to fake an incredibly real orgasm O.o lol
Snowgoon901 2 months ago
@nealithh how much was it?
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
@HappyCabbie It was 3000 for 2 hours. I got a discount for my first time with her. She is usually 2k an hour. It was Ruby Rae at loveranch north. The legal ones are so expensive. Next time I'm going to an illegal one for cheaper.
nealithh 1 month ago
You the man Cabbie.
customerjon 2 months ago
@customerjon thanks
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
Great video, John-ny boy!
MediocreMichael 2 months ago
@MediocreMichael thank you
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
hows your job? hows the weight? WHERE CAN WE GET THIS INFO???
oh btw if you dont know already its me harveythepilot: response?
h52WHA 2 months ago
@h52WHA I am no longer discussing my personal life on YouTube. It has come to bite me every time I did it.
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
In some areas where this "just like any other job" has been touted, women have gone to collect unemployment, and the office says no you didn't apply to the "hospitality" sector. So should women let men fuck them because they are unemployed and it's just like any other job? How about we stop saying ridiculous things like that and how about the sex pos people do the correcting on this once in awhile when they KNOW it's a lie. (anger).
IndifferentSky 2 months ago
@IndifferentSky Well maybe if it was legal, a woman who gets assaulted can actually go to the police without fear of getting arrested for what she did and that person can get treated like any other assailant, not like he "stole a loaf of bread".
And yes women should let men fuck them because they are unemployed and it's like any other job, just as long as they choose to do so. It's also not just limited to women getting fucked and men doing the fucking.
Snowgoon901 2 months ago
@IndifferentSky Well I disagree. I do not see the difference between going to a prostitute or going to McDonalds. In both cases I am dealing with someone who probably hates their job.
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
Robbery is against my will and consent, and assault can be traumatic. What is the difference if someone sodomizes me, or rapes me? Or forces me to give oral? Should the criminal be treated like he stole a loaf of bread? Also I can train my kids to be a cashier and work at a bank, can I train my kids for this? It's just like any other job. OR is the sane position that sexuality is different and being fucked is different? Side affects from "hooking" same is side effects from rape.
IndifferentSky 2 months ago
@IndifferentSky in a robbery your not doing anything to someones body...
slavery is something you could compare to rape... so therefore I could say that all work should be illlegal because its like slavery
alsdfalsdvjoen 2 months ago
@alsdfalsdvjoen so it's all the same, and you're ignoring all the points I made. I also think you worded your comment strange, I'm trying to get the meaning of it, what you meant, versus what it really says. All work is like rape? Read your comment again, I don't mind discussing this, but what you said makes no sense. All work is rape? WAT. Not even all jobs out side of this are the "same" as far as exploitation goes. People are just not making sense when they are talking about this.
IndifferentSky 2 months ago
@IndifferentSky You say you cant be a prostitute because rape is special... comparing it to robbery... when it should be compared to slavery. the points were flawed you compared robbery to rape.. I told you the difference.
alsdfalsdvjoen 2 months ago
@alsdfalsdvjoen 2. "in a robbery you are not doing something else to someone's body" but in an assault you are. You hurt someone's body. Are assault and rape the same? If so why not? Are we just hysterical about rape? Also, like I asked... if you rape a prostitute that obviously means you just didn't pay. So it's not like raping a "regular"person, right? There are TWO types of women right? So in some areas there have been TWO sentences depending on the woman. Deal with my actual comment plz.
IndifferentSky 2 months ago
@IndifferentSky if you have sex with a prostitute under the pretence that you would pay afterwards and then do not, then you would have committed some crime akin to theft.
If you forcibly penetrate a prostitute without consent, even under false pretence, you have committed rape.
It couldn't be more simple.
LeoMRogers 1 month ago
@LeoMRogers I'd go a step further. Under contract with a sex worker, she changes her mind and her customer doesn't stop when she says stop, that is rape. Whether she'd be able to prosecute is a different matter. It's still rape.
xxxild 1 month ago
@xxxild well, that is where it gets more complicated, i think it would depend on whether she returned the money to him (if he had paid before hand), if she didnt, then it would be a theft issue, as she deprived him of a product he had paid for. If she did return the money when withdrawing consent, then it would be a rape issue. I think it would be a lot easier to distinguish if it were a brothel.
LeoMRogers 1 month ago
@LeoMRogers Complications will no doubt arise. However, she's selling a service, usually marked by her time and/or what she'll consider doing. If a man cant perform or doesn't have an orgasm he still pays. Just because she's a sex worker doesn't mean she's guaranteeing the time is going to be great, and if boundaries get crossed, she has a right to say stop and still get paid for being there. Nature of the business as I see it.
xxxild 1 month ago
@LeoMRogers It does get more complicated, but only when it comes to prosecution. If she has evidence of rape, but then, the money isn't the most important thing in that case.
xxxild 1 month ago
@IndifferentSky "Side affects from "hooking" same is side effects from rape."
citation please.
/sigh...
xxxild 1 month ago
@IndifferentSky well theoretically you could train your kids to be prostitutes but I would not advise it. Most parents would not want their children to be sex workers.
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
It's just like any other job, so if someone uses the "time" and does not pay, is that rape, or just stealing? After all it's nothing. There is nothing special about it, so this leads to the next point. You can define that as rape because there was no consent, but obviously this "rape" is just like any other crime. This is why in some areas johns GET LESSER SENTENCES FOR RAPING PROSTITUTES because hey what's the big deal about sex? It's just any other ole thing now. Robbery is against consent.
IndifferentSky 2 months ago
You said they are making the choice. So we need to cherry pick the ones that claim it's their choice. Do you have statistics globally on how many are NOT choosing it? Do those people matter? Are the connected to the ones that are? These are the questions that are important because it involves slavery. You suggesting fucking is just like any other job is also an outrageous claim that needs documentation. Fucking strangers is not just like any other job and that is a harmful myth.
IndifferentSky 2 months ago
So you say you *have* met some that *seem* to enjoy it, and you were not concerned about the ones that might not have wanted to do it. Have you ever considered the effect of this work when people don't like it? So you basically devalue sexuality as a "job" and I'm not talking morals here, I'm talking about letting a sick stranger fuck you. So basically men get a very strange view of sexuality due to this work. Thanks for confirming that. :/ sad.
IndifferentSky 2 months ago
Why don't porn stars have the same social problems selling sex that prostitutes have? Is it because we've gotten so jaded by television and so used to things on tv not being real that it just doesn't dawn on us that a woman having sex for money is a woman having sex for money no matter where you put the camera?
zEropoint68 2 months ago
@zEropoint68 well a lot of porn stars do have social problems.
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
Cabby, I hope did it legally. If you didn't, you could have been supporting forced prostitution.
I think prostitution should be legal and heavily regulated, but I don't agree with one of your arguments. The youtube comments limitation doesn't allow me to elaborate on that.
On a side note, I wonder why sex workers in Nevada don't just create their own non-profit brothel by prostitutes for prostitutes so they can get better wages.
Mutex50 2 months ago
@Mutex50 They wouldn't be able to get a permit to operate there, likely because it's very expensive to do so, among other reasons mainly the local politics. <3
xxxild 1 month ago
@Mutex50 No in most cases I did it illegally however I was not supporting forced prostitution.
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
Nothing wrong with paying for time with a woman . . or a man!
shrikechan 2 months ago
@shrikechan indeed
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
so hard to enforce taxes
KiddsockTV 2 months ago
@KiddsockTV ever have an IRS audit?
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
Purchasing time? You mean a human being.
MaoistRebelNews2 2 months ago
@MaoistRebelNews2 no, he means purchasing time. A prostitution client doesn't purchase a human being.. that would be slavery. Simply because someone is paying you for time and services does not mean they own you. You still have rights, and can say no and leave at any time. I say this as a former prostitute, of sorts.
pfarabee 2 months ago
@pfarabee lol good one
MaoistRebelNews2 2 months ago
@MaoistRebelNews2 I've never seen an offer to keep the girl. Have you?
Gameboygenius 2 months ago
@Gameboygenius Wow, not even close to what I was saying.
MaoistRebelNews2 2 months ago
@MaoistRebelNews2 No, but since what you said is inherently flawed, I answered like that.
Gameboygenius 2 months ago
@MaoistRebelNews2 Well you didn't say much, did you? "lol good one" was entirely too succinct for soneone to take much meaning from it, and you certainly didn't address pfarabee's point.
BobChaos23 2 months ago
@BobChaos23 Hey bob,is it true you like to stuff dead rats up you're ass and give bj's to aids infested camels for $50?if so, I think you're too fucking ugly for that line of work.
Lastpsyrin 1 month ago
@MaoistRebelNews2 no you were just spouting the rad fem rhetoric, we know.
xxxild 1 month ago
@MaoistRebelNews2 Just like when you go to a psychologist you are not buying the time with the person, you own them. Same with a masseuse.
I bought a young man who made me a sandwich earlier today, but i gave him back because he forgot the mustard. =P
BobChaos23 2 months ago
@MaoistRebelNews2 There's no real difference between paying for sex and paying for a massage, hiring someone to design a webpage for you, or whatever. You pay for a limited service from an individual, that's it. What's different is YOUR idea of what you're willing to share or supply a customer with, and YOUR idea is relevant for only one person - You. As long as its supplied out of free will, there's no harm in it. This is a fact.
xxhellspawnedxx 2 months ago
@xxhellspawnedxx Your are claiming that using the financial distress of woman to force her to have sex with you has no negative effects on her. Where are the studies to prove this? You have no evidence to support your claim.
shirehorse91 2 months ago
@shirehorse91 So now, every time a woman needs money it's distress? And her financial distress forces her to offer sexual services...or is it the market for services that drive her to *choose to offer her services. I don't get the stupid. Pls explain.
xxxild 1 month ago
@xxxild And you ask this ridiculous question to a user who states that as long as it's supplied by free will, there's no harm: You ask for studies to prove it and evidence. Wow, really painful reading here son. And I didn't even bother with the ones people have marked as spam. I'd take you to be booboo but I don't know...
xxxild 1 month ago
@xxxild I think you get the stupid. It's apparent in your comment.
shirehorse91 1 month ago
@shirehorse91 But you won't be able to show that, will you?
xxxild 1 month ago
@xxxild Your the one making the claim. Where's your evidence that all prostitutes are happy with their job.
shirehorse91 1 month ago
@shirehorse91 My claim was you weren't reading the comment of the person to whom you replied, or, if you were, you weren't making sense in response. But, ok, I'll bite. What evidence do I have? How about the hundreds of thousands of sex workers across the *globe, that are not lying when they say they are consensually offering their services and want basic rights. Would that be good enough for you?
xxxild 1 month ago
@xxxild You need to reread the comments. Yah sure, the prostitutes of the world are all happy hookers skipping thorough life. Show me a study that supports your claim or take you con somewhere else.
shirehorse91 1 month ago
@shirehorse91 why aren't sex workers allowed to have a range of feelings about their work and their different clients? I'm curious as to why they have to have super awesome sex all the time. Do you have that? Is every sexual encounter you have amazing for both people? And no, show me a STUDY that supports that sex workers are lying. Idiot. I don't have to prove happiness. Nobody's claiming to be ecstatic.
xxxild 1 month ago
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@xxhellspawnedxx Your are claiming that using the financial distress of woman to force her to have sex with you has no negative effects on her. Where are the studies to prove this? You have no evidence to support your claim.
shirehorse91 2 months ago
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@xxhellspawnedxx Your are claiming that using the financial distress of woman to force her to have sex with you has no negative effects on her. Where are the studies to prove this? You have no evidence to support your claim.
shirehorse91 2 months ago
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@xxhellspawnedxx You are claiming that using the financial pressure to force a woman to have sex with you has no negative effects on her. Where are the studies to prove this? You have no evidence to support your claim.
shirehorse91 2 months ago
@MaoistRebelNews2 You are dead on with that comment. IndifferentSky just did a great video on this. Also, rubbleofempires has a great series on prostitution.
shirehorse91 2 months ago
@MaoistRebelNews2 yeah because, like, once the sex worker leaves, she's owned by the client. what a ridiculous thing to keep spouting around here.
xxxild 1 month ago
@MaoistRebelNews2 no I mean purchasing time.
HappyCabbie 1 month ago
@HappyCabbie its more than that. That;'s like saying you hired a worker on for his time.
MaoistRebelNews2 1 month ago
I fancy you..
ElectrumShiv 2 months ago