Videomaker - 180 Degree Rule

[SenorCajones]

I think that the sync your audio rule should be observed here. If I can syn some mannequin with an apple's lips, then you can sync up this footage.

[RRYtbea]

I learned this by watching Paprika

[videomaker]

@RRYtbea The anime?

Best,

The Videomaker Team

[NelsonStJames]

Filming might not be strictly about rules, but some rules come into existence for a reason. A lot of ppl today ignorantly break the rules and their stuff is nigh incomprehensible. If Orson Welles took time to try and understand the 180 degree rule when he started out, then who do you think you are to totally ignore it?

[videomaker]

@NelsonStJames Exactly, you have to understand the rules before you can know when to break them.

Best,

The Videomaker Team

[SenorCajones]

@NelsonStJames I think that part of the problem is to think of it as a rule. If you don't know what makes sense, you suck and that's all there is to it.

[NelsonStJames]

@SenorCajones you're right, but there is a sort of arrogance of ignorance to comes into play when it comes to "artistic endeavors" that you would never see in other professions. People think they can do anything because it's all personal expression. I know people who want to write movies and have never watched any of the classics. I know ppl who want to write and never read books. People want to make movies and haven't watched anything but MTV videos.

[dalmation257]

@Prim3StaR

No it would not, if you are looking at the diagram and it violates the rule, rotate the line 90 degrees. So the guy behind the desk is in the upper left of the circle and the other to people are on the upper and lower right of the circle. Make sence?

[1997nk]

Filming and mediaproduction isn't about rules or the geometric law! It's all about creativity and factors which the movie depends on! So plz, delete this vid. !

[welcomeblack]

"As we learned in math class, the circumference of a circle is 360 degrees." This line had me laughing sooo hard! Silly film makers.

[Prim3StaR]

Question - what if, in my scene, there's THREE people conversing instead of just two? There's a man sitting at a desk, then two other men standing a reasonable distance away and a feet feet from eachother. To have an over-the-shoulder shot of one guy speaking to the man at the desk, then doing the same with the other guy, would it be the same, or would it violate the 180 degree rule?

[SnowboardSecretsTV]

For dancing and party scenes, it is fun to break this rule and do a 360 pan! I do it all the time. Preferably fast enough to cause a blur, lol. It's part of the story!

[JingchengZhao]

How do you get sponsored? :D 

[Crimefighter]

And the action does not always stay on the same side of the camera, keeping the action in frame at all times trumps everything else.

[Crimefighter]

Doesn't apply to sports. Football, basketball, baseball, and WWE there's cameras all over the arena not on one side.

[DiSoNeNcBoI]

i had no idea what she was talking about until the video showed the positions of the cameras...

[Picto58]

Everyone should learn the Basic techniques.

[Mr12toe]

not essentially 'rules' more like 'guidelines' to me

[btm96]

Stop at 00:42. lol!!! Nice vid by the way.

[damoesta]

wish i knew this rule when I tried making my first action scene haha. Nice tutorial

[reck101101]

what if Im doing a chase?

[8888Eastman]

I heard that the audience is more forgiving if you break the 180 rule on a car chase is that true?

[gwaga56]

woman a is cute.

[still2weirdfoU]

Im pretty sure That 70's show has broken this rule:)

[Roger007Poore]

All those mathematical precision are useless. The point is: when you film your actors from one side, dont change it during the action.

[Cstrife234]

I concur. This should be common sense.

[giphangster]

Apparently you don't believe in the rules of grammar either.

Anyone who "doesn't believe" in this rule or thinks that filmmakers just ignore it obviously doesn't know the first thing about film. This is fundamental stuff. Most filmmakers don't break this rule EVER, and those that do break the rule do so for a reason and are usually EXPERIENCED filmmakers who make the conscious choice to do so.

Just ask Stephen King what happens when you break the 180 rule.

[bobish14]

like in the matrix when they do time stop and do a 360 degree rotation. i know they did it for a reason Im just saying that even if this is a great rule to follow which it is and i will usually follow it i still dont think its a rule. its more like a guideline. and even if i am not a good film maker i do have a TON of expirience and never even heard of or noticed this rule. as far as youtube knows i have more expirience than you because i posted videos which i have spent hours on.

[giphangster]

Sure, dude. You have a "ton" of experience at this, yet you've never heard of the 180 degree rule. Absolutely. Good luck with that.

[jameskguen]

Look at his profile... he's like 9 years old. Let him brag about his TON of film making experience.

[1995jordan]

She said "Unless you're doing it for an effect".....

[powerhouston]

your rule is something you might follow. But who cares, your video sucks. And why do you follow rules? Rules are made to be broken.

[kookkid6969]

dude u must be really dgaf

[bentleybloke]

Hi That's great info... but you broke the "rule of thirds" on the first opening shots. This sends mixed messages as you are explaining how to do stuff but not actually doing some of the things you have already demonstrated in the past. Cheers Mark

[perang123]

what software did u use....

[syncy2]

lol at the diagram @ 1:51...

[flameknight7]

chopper head

[RockN311]

I've noticed this this before, but I didn't actually realize it was a "rule". And where would you want to break this rule for an "effect"?

[eaglei23]

NEVER! DEAR GOD, WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT BREAK THE 180! WATCH MY VID and u will c what I am talking about!

[floopaloop22]

Stanley Kubrick broke the 180 degree rule in The Shining when Jack Nicholson is talking to the waiter. He did this to create a sense of disorientation and make the viewer feel unease. Martin Scorsese also did so in The Departed when Matt Damon and his friend are sitting on a bench. He did this to foreshadow events to come.

[adonian]

I was just saying that she over explained it.

[oriolebird]

Here's another 180 degree Rule Of Film Making: Periodically swing around 180 degrees and look over your shoulder to see if the people who lent you the money to make your film and who will never see a dime back are approaching you to find out when they'll see their dimes back.

[qbcougar7]

lmao!

[LJM603]

I appreciate the information... thanks!

[tucumalo]

This seemed to be natural to me.. but it's really nice to know! :) thanks

[juan909s]

idk, look at michael bay, he tends to go a full 360. degrees. its not always about the rules, more like make it sick.

[12thDecember]

Thank you to those who explained the video, because otherwise I'd still be scratching my head trying to figure out what she was trying to explain.

[SuburbianKnights]

tht was very confusing

[9ecrofatled]

this tutorial was not thorough enough....

[adonian]

K.I.S.S. remember keep it simple stupid... keep the driver in the drivers seat, and the passenger in the passenger's seat. Don't cross them over. At first I had no idea what she was saying, but I know you keep the actors on their respective sides, Larry King is always on the left.

[Untamed2]

"Larry King is always on the left" was the point I did not, but was supposed to get from this video! Luckily I found your comment! THANK YOU! no for real...THANK YOU!

[bigbadmetalead]

You can break this rule, but you have to show the camera actually crossing the line. To keep the audience orientated, you have to actually pan out behind one of the people.

[ClearedToLand7]

This is a perfectly simple rule. Even with this explanation. Which yes could be better explained, so i do agree with anuclearfamily on that one. They should of not brushed over the "what's happens if you break this rule."

[cartoonmarc]

how can you 'not get it'? its pretty simple

[clarenancy]

What she's trying to say is that you shouldn't flip flop either of the two subject. If you start out with John and the left and Jane on the right, you should consistently have John on the left and Jane on the right, whether it be over the shoulder or whatever. Don't go past the 180 and put John on the right of the frame and Jane on the left.

The rationale is that it tends to confuse or disorient the audience.

[SaxonHarold]

i really don't get this rule

[Themba88]

Its a simple rule to understand but she complicated it with over explanation and two many examples at the same time.

check: Moviemaking Techniques180 Degree Rule, here on you tube, "it's nice and simple!"

[anuclearfamily]

Good explanation of the rule but the video should go more into detail as to why breaking the rule is bad and how it might confuse us. The narrator rushes over this section as does the example movie scene.

[anuclearfamily]

Good explanation of the rule but the video should go more into detail as to why breaking the rule is bad and how it might confuse us. The narrator rushes over this section as does the example movie scene.

[YTdave2006]

I didn't get it either.

[SCTV]

...this was very badly explained! I'd give it 5 out of 25...

[Oyotunji]

very well.......

[LukeSchneider77]

sweet!

[Austin17056]

i like this video its very helpful

[HRPoodersmith]

these are all very basic rules. HOWEVER, they are not creative rules to follow.  try new things, if it doesn't seem to work, try a different way. no one should follow 'videomaker' too religiously.

[videomaker]

Fair enough, but surely you can agree that before you break the "rules" you should understand the "rules," so that when you do it, it's a conscious choice and not an accident.... Cheers.

[2yng2di]

What does it matter whether it is an accident or conscious if you get a good effect?

[TeTRoSeX]

@videomaker

Even though in interviews breaking this rule is a bad desicion.

It is ok to break it during sports or shooting scenes if the jump is not too strong.

[marshallgraphic]

@HRPoodersmith Everything has rules and laws that we must adhere to. For example the law of gravity is one we cannot break and these basic rules help us keep balance and design (like the rule of thirds). Unless you are trying to create a world where nothing makes sense or create tension, then by all means break the rules.

[UUSAAE123]

@HRPoodersmith love your comment, to be honest i find videomaker a bit...

i mean their rules ARE VERY BASIC! but still correct

[moleculaelectronica]

@HRPoodersmith

how about framing the host CORRECTLY! She ( 0:26 ) has like a lot of room above her head!

[RonocBrosnany]

i agree it can confuse people sometimes but other times the camera can swing 360 around two people perhaps in an argument so cuts are not nessesary and it can be an interesting shot

[nebenator]

I see... Very nice video

[GrynHelix]

TONS of films break the 180 rule, for an over the shoulder shot, it doesn't necessarily confuse the audience with 2 people, its when you have 3 people in a situation that it becomes more difficult.

[mariomguy]

i get this. basically stay on one side of the action and don't go on both or cut the video from 1 to the other, or else the scene would look as though it flipped backward.

unless of course you're filming the whole thing, when actually circling the field would be able to show more of the area and give a more dramatic effect (matrix).

[Archii25]

Very useful!

[youngdirectorgames]

Thats good! I never realized that, I'm just happy the shooting plans I had for my one future horror movie don'thave to be tweaked because of this.

[BlackLionFilms]

Awesome.

[grenaldo83]

Good refresher. Never thought of it as a circle.

[poonur45]

noob... but cool

[turretje]

Very cool