Why are you such a coward? Scared of one of the most peaceful nations in history. What can one nuke do against thousands? How can Iran lunch the nuke, if Islam does not allow it?
@p058720235 Nervous about how speculation or over escalation can lead. I don't want their to be war. Just because I hate zionist ideology doesn't mean I want any who believe in it to fight or die in a pointless war.
I don't want innocent Israelis killed, I don't want innocent Iranians killed, and I don't want soldiers from either side or the US or anywhere to die because Israel and Iran are having a power struggle over the region
@p058720235 Personally, I have no problem with Iran having a nuclear weapon to deter Israel. But.... It shouldn't be so overt about it's program until they're fully capable. Otherwise, if the west knows they're still behind, they won't be so ready to attack.
They should do what China and N. Korea did, or even Japan. And get it to the point where one can actually be made before painting a target on your back as Iran has just done with processing their own fuel
@p058720235 because Israel is war mongering as it does to all the countries in the region. But Israel is unfortunately SOL, the US citizens will not back another war in the ME, Saudi and Qatar are at each others throats, Turkey is tired of Israel's BS and the same goes for Egypt.
I don't think Iran truly has anything to worry about Israel now (aside from the 2-400 nukes they have). Israel is damaged globally and internally. Another war (even in Gaza) would be suicide for them
@p058720235 Israel threatens Iran all the time, literally. If Iran wasn't building an atomic weapon before, they now have incentive (so do opposition parties within Iran). I also might add that Iran has the largest Jewish population in the ME that has a strong sense of nationalism, even having a party under the Revolutionary guard.
Also I might correct you, Israel and Iran had good relations all through the 80's. It was Iran that assisted Israel in attacking Iraq's facilities
@p058720235 But the main point is, where does Israel have any authority of saying who can and can't have weapons when Iran has at least signed almost all nuclear treaties and has constantly allowed IAEA inspections from ALL foreign observers.
As I recall it wasn't until Vanunu fled to the UK that anyone had any definitive evidence that Israel even had a nuclear program, let alone weapons.
I think Israel should sign onto international atomic treaties before pointing the finger at anyone
@skinnywhop87 You are not answering my question and stating other "facts" that are half truths, assumptions & straight out wrong. All I did was to ask a simple question. When did Israel threaten Iran?
@p058720235 I answered you, i think both of us know it's redundant to list actual dates and times (because it's literally been happening almost every month for the past 4-5 years)
But do you want actual articles, cites and dates?
It's redundant to do so, but if you'd really like i will do it for you
@skinnywhop87 I don't need you to do so. Once again, you haven't answered my question. When has Israel threatened Iran prior to Iran's beginning of it's military nuclear program?
But this is a rhetorical question. Israel never did so!
@p058720235 It doesn't matter when Israel threatened them. Israel still threatened them. And you, nor I, nor the Israeli or even US government can prove Iran has a "military nuclear program".
We can prove they have a nuclear program, but anything beyond that is speculation.
The point of my other facts that you claimed are wrong or "half-truths", you didn't refute them. There was a point to me mentioning those, since Israel claims nuclear ambiguity. So they have no room to,,,
@p058720235 ... to threaten, speculate or even dictate how any other country in the Middle east, or in the world for that fact can manage their internal affairs. Especially when Israel is guilty of the same things it's hooting and hollering about with Iran.
I take it you're an Israeli, be clear anti-zionist doesn't mean anti-Israeli or even anti-Israel. It means anti-zionist ideology. I think you have a right to live in Israel, and what Israel does doesn't create a blood libel on you
@p058720235 You're only right on ONE of those points. Anti-zionism is against Israel being an ENTITLED homeland to foreign born land thieves (IE settlers)
If Israel wants to exist under LEGAL UN treaties Israel itself has signed onto, like resolution 242 which says Israel can only exist within it's defensible borders and CANNOT displace ANYONE. It also says Israel will withdraw to the DEFENSIBLE borders of 1967.
@skinnywhop87 Hmmmm, foreign born land thieves, like Americans, Australians, Russians, Pakistanis and most of the world. Were any of them voted for in the UN? Did Israel except but the Arabs rejected? Did Israel start the 48 war? You have a very selective opinion don't you? :-)
@p058720235 There's a difference, we're already established in the modern age AFTER things like ethnic cleansing became socially unacceptable.
Yes Israel started the war of 48. Go to to Gaza (if you have the courage), and find an old Bedouin who formally lived in the Negev, or old Christians from Jaffa and Ashdod, or old Muslims from Sderot and Jaffa who were among the 700,000 marched out of greater Israel.
@skinnywhop87 LOL, I have been in Gaza, have you been there by the way? :-)
Do you know anything about the millions displaced after WW2 in Europe? Or is that also before modern age?!
And what about the more then 700,000 kicked out of Arab countries, but were absorbed in tiny Israel and not becoming miserable refuges exploited by their own people?!
For every "example" you give me, I can give you 2 others, so, as I said, you are a selective bigot, and nothing will change it!
@p058720235 Haven't been to Gaza, the blockade was strong in israel each time I've been. I have however been to Tel Aviv, Ashdod, Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Hebron, and Ramallah.
The millions "displaced" is where north America got most of it's nearly 6 million large population of Jewish immigrants (including my grandmother and grandfather)
;)
What are you talking about Israel absorbing the Arabs? There's 6-7 million Palestinians living in diaspora... Durrrr
@skinnywhop87 I think you did not understand what I wrote. Maybe by watching these 2 videos you might learn a few new things:
watch?v=LfQ6TV0XseU
watch?v=g_3A6_qSBBQ
2 more questions: 1. Do you know what year was the P.L.O established? 2. 700,000 becoming 6-7 million in 60 years is not possible and never happened in the history of mankind. So check your math again!
@p058720235 Actually check your math. In 1950 global population was only 3 billion. Now it's 7 billion. (something called population growth and longer life expectancy). The same reason after WWII there was only about 6 million Jews in the entire world, now there's 13 million ;). Arabs have a MUCH higher birth rate than Jews.
700,000 displaced only refers to ONE event which lead up to the Arab Israeli war. You do realize there was many events including 67 when palis were displaced...
@p058720235 BTW which year do you want PLO establishment as? Back in 55' when they were still fatah and they were fighting Jordan? Or in the 60's-70's when black September was created? Or in the 60's-80's when they working towards unity and recognition as the representatives for the Palestinian people.
The PLO is more like stock investor investing in different stocks. There's different groups that make up the PLO, and soon that may include Hamas since Fatah and them have united
@skinnywhop87 Man you have a gift, not answering any question just changing every subject that is uncomfortable for you :-)
Wrong, the PLO was established in 1964! To liberate "Palestine" which Palestine do they mean?! the disputed territories that were captured by Israel in 1967?
You see the irony, you have no idea of the history but run your mouth in full speed before putting your common sense in gear!
"The PLO is more like stock investor investing in different stocks" - funniest I ever heard!
@p058720235 Israel is a total oxymoron. It's trying to be a Jewish dominated state (when there's almost an equal amount of Jewish population in North America as Israel), it claims to be a "democracy", in a region where 230 million people didn't vote for creation of a nation 8 million (minority) in their region. Not to mention the Zionist ideology of a "Jewish" homeland was created by an ATHEIST who assisted the Sultan of the Ottoman in propagating his crimes against the Armenians in the late1800
@skinnywhop87 Israel is a jewel in a vast area of darkness & barbarism. You are fool with idiotic reasoning (like the Arabs should vote for a creation of a state? What about Europe voting for Italy to exist or not LOL.
Ahhhh, so now the Zionists are responsible for the crimes against Armenia? :-)
@p058720235 BTW you called me a selective bigot? Who's selective? I, like you think the holocaust was a horrible disaster and a complete disgusting disgrace of humanity. I, unlike you don't think the Palestinians (who had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE HOLOCAUST, should continue suffering for it)
No I didn't say "zionists" (as an entity) committed crimes in Armenia. I said the creator of modern zionism, and the first Yeshevs in Israel was an atheist and ran the propaganda journal for the Sultan of
@p058720235 .... the ottoman empire while he was slaughtering Armenians and greek christians. That man is Theodore Herzl and he's the founding father of Israel, much before even Ben Gurion had any significance.
A UN vote is fine with me, I made it clear I have no problem with Israel proper's existence. It seems you zionists are the ones who don't respect UN votes, like 242 which tells you to keep your ass within your own borders
@skinnywhop87 No sir, the Arabs didn't respect the UN vote! ANd you are wrong again. Read carefully 242, it doesn't categorically state to go back to the pre 1967 borders!!!!
@p058720235 You are not entitled to help displace people for your foolish ideology (created by Theodore Herzl an ATHEIST)
Zionism is for fools, and it's anti-Jewish and anti-halacha.
If you knew anything about your Jewish heritage you would know the 10 most sacred rules for all man kind, given to Moses to present to the Israelites, the 10 rules that are NOT OPTIONAL
One says don't steal shit from your neighbors
Another says DON'T kill.
So don't bastardize the name of the Jews for that shit
The music was a good idea, don't think you have to obscure your face. I have gotten so worked up in the past about Iran, that I think at one point I lost my marbles, and now I look at that topic like experiencing a hangover. It really bugs me.
@IndifferentSky Me too, I'm always right on the middle of the fence with Iran. I think Israel and the US has pushed them to create nuclear weapons to deter the super powers from attacking it. But Iran is also antagonistic in it's own right.
So it's hard to say who's totally right or wrong in this situation
Why are you such a coward? Scared of one of the most peaceful nations in history. What can one nuke do against thousands? How can Iran lunch the nuke, if Islam does not allow it?
You really need to think harder.
IRUSIpanzermaster 2 weeks ago
So why are you so nervous if it can't be proven?! LOL (that is the reason for this video, isn't it?)
p058720235 1 month ago
@p058720235 Nervous about how speculation or over escalation can lead. I don't want their to be war. Just because I hate zionist ideology doesn't mean I want any who believe in it to fight or die in a pointless war.
I don't want innocent Israelis killed, I don't want innocent Iranians killed, and I don't want soldiers from either side or the US or anywhere to die because Israel and Iran are having a power struggle over the region
skinnywhop87 1 month ago
Why are you nervous about Iran's capabilities?
As an Anti-Zionist you should be happy.
p058720235 1 month ago
@p058720235 Because it can trigger a chain reaction. Not just in the region, but around the world
skinnywhop87 1 month ago
@skinnywhop87 So, Iran shoud stop it's nuclear aspirations?
p058720235 1 month ago
@p058720235 Personally, I have no problem with Iran having a nuclear weapon to deter Israel. But.... It shouldn't be so overt about it's program until they're fully capable. Otherwise, if the west knows they're still behind, they won't be so ready to attack.
They should do what China and N. Korea did, or even Japan. And get it to the point where one can actually be made before painting a target on your back as Iran has just done with processing their own fuel
skinnywhop87 1 month ago
@skinnywhop87 I see, and why in the first place Iran needed to deter Israel?
p058720235 1 month ago
@p058720235 because Israel is war mongering as it does to all the countries in the region. But Israel is unfortunately SOL, the US citizens will not back another war in the ME, Saudi and Qatar are at each others throats, Turkey is tired of Israel's BS and the same goes for Egypt.
I don't think Iran truly has anything to worry about Israel now (aside from the 2-400 nukes they have). Israel is damaged globally and internally. Another war (even in Gaza) would be suicide for them
skinnywhop87 1 month ago
@skinnywhop87 When did Israel ever threat Iran? Prior to it's Nuclear program?
Israel had good relations with Iran and diplomatic relations prior to the 1979 Islamic revolution!
p058720235 1 month ago
@p058720235 Israel threatens Iran all the time, literally. If Iran wasn't building an atomic weapon before, they now have incentive (so do opposition parties within Iran). I also might add that Iran has the largest Jewish population in the ME that has a strong sense of nationalism, even having a party under the Revolutionary guard.
Also I might correct you, Israel and Iran had good relations all through the 80's. It was Iran that assisted Israel in attacking Iraq's facilities
skinnywhop87 1 month ago
@p058720235 But the main point is, where does Israel have any authority of saying who can and can't have weapons when Iran has at least signed almost all nuclear treaties and has constantly allowed IAEA inspections from ALL foreign observers.
As I recall it wasn't until Vanunu fled to the UK that anyone had any definitive evidence that Israel even had a nuclear program, let alone weapons.
I think Israel should sign onto international atomic treaties before pointing the finger at anyone
skinnywhop87 1 month ago
@p058720235 Oh yeah, lastly I would add that Israel is sitting on one of the world's most tectonic and geologically active regions on earth.
There's already been leaks (not resulting from natural activity) coming out of the Negev that can be detected as far as Amman.
It's only a matter of time till Israel is like Japan if they don't get their systems in order
Israel is a small country, it's tough, but it could not sustain a long and drawn out war, especially with so many vulnerabilities
skinnywhop87 1 month ago
@skinnywhop87 You are not answering my question and stating other "facts" that are half truths, assumptions & straight out wrong. All I did was to ask a simple question. When did Israel threaten Iran?
p058720235 1 month ago
@p058720235 I answered you, i think both of us know it's redundant to list actual dates and times (because it's literally been happening almost every month for the past 4-5 years)
But do you want actual articles, cites and dates?
It's redundant to do so, but if you'd really like i will do it for you
skinnywhop87 1 month ago
@skinnywhop87 I don't need you to do so. Once again, you haven't answered my question. When has Israel threatened Iran prior to Iran's beginning of it's military nuclear program?
But this is a rhetorical question. Israel never did so!
p058720235 1 month ago
@p058720235 It doesn't matter when Israel threatened them. Israel still threatened them. And you, nor I, nor the Israeli or even US government can prove Iran has a "military nuclear program".
We can prove they have a nuclear program, but anything beyond that is speculation.
The point of my other facts that you claimed are wrong or "half-truths", you didn't refute them. There was a point to me mentioning those, since Israel claims nuclear ambiguity. So they have no room to,,,
skinnywhop87 1 month ago
@p058720235 ... to threaten, speculate or even dictate how any other country in the Middle east, or in the world for that fact can manage their internal affairs. Especially when Israel is guilty of the same things it's hooting and hollering about with Iran.
I take it you're an Israeli, be clear anti-zionist doesn't mean anti-Israeli or even anti-Israel. It means anti-zionist ideology. I think you have a right to live in Israel, and what Israel does doesn't create a blood libel on you
skinnywhop87 1 month ago
@skinnywhop87 I think you are wrong, dead wrong!
What is Zionism? It's the right of Israel to be Israel. Anti-Zionism is anti Israel as country and as a homeland.
But hey, keep fooling yourself, and joining the most vile, hateful & bigoted groups that advocate for the destruction of Israel :-)
Personally. I think you are a fool!
p058720235 1 month ago
@p058720235 You're only right on ONE of those points. Anti-zionism is against Israel being an ENTITLED homeland to foreign born land thieves (IE settlers)
If Israel wants to exist under LEGAL UN treaties Israel itself has signed onto, like resolution 242 which says Israel can only exist within it's defensible borders and CANNOT displace ANYONE. It also says Israel will withdraw to the DEFENSIBLE borders of 1967.
skinnywhop87 1 month ago
@skinnywhop87 Hmmmm, foreign born land thieves, like Americans, Australians, Russians, Pakistanis and most of the world. Were any of them voted for in the UN? Did Israel except but the Arabs rejected? Did Israel start the 48 war? You have a very selective opinion don't you? :-)
p058720235 1 month ago
@p058720235 There's a difference, we're already established in the modern age AFTER things like ethnic cleansing became socially unacceptable.
Yes Israel started the war of 48. Go to to Gaza (if you have the courage), and find an old Bedouin who formally lived in the Negev, or old Christians from Jaffa and Ashdod, or old Muslims from Sderot and Jaffa who were among the 700,000 marched out of greater Israel.
Must I remind you of Deir Yassin?
skinnywhop87 1 month ago
@skinnywhop87 LOL, I have been in Gaza, have you been there by the way? :-)
Do you know anything about the millions displaced after WW2 in Europe? Or is that also before modern age?!
And what about the more then 700,000 kicked out of Arab countries, but were absorbed in tiny Israel and not becoming miserable refuges exploited by their own people?!
For every "example" you give me, I can give you 2 others, so, as I said, you are a selective bigot, and nothing will change it!
p058720235 1 month ago
@p058720235 Haven't been to Gaza, the blockade was strong in israel each time I've been. I have however been to Tel Aviv, Ashdod, Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Hebron, and Ramallah.
The millions "displaced" is where north America got most of it's nearly 6 million large population of Jewish immigrants (including my grandmother and grandfather)
;)
What are you talking about Israel absorbing the Arabs? There's 6-7 million Palestinians living in diaspora... Durrrr
skinnywhop87 1 month ago
@skinnywhop87 I think you did not understand what I wrote. Maybe by watching these 2 videos you might learn a few new things:
watch?v=LfQ6TV0XseU
watch?v=g_3A6_qSBBQ
2 more questions: 1. Do you know what year was the P.L.O established? 2. 700,000 becoming 6-7 million in 60 years is not possible and never happened in the history of mankind. So check your math again!
Done for today.
p058720235 1 month ago
@p058720235 Actually check your math. In 1950 global population was only 3 billion. Now it's 7 billion. (something called population growth and longer life expectancy). The same reason after WWII there was only about 6 million Jews in the entire world, now there's 13 million ;). Arabs have a MUCH higher birth rate than Jews.
700,000 displaced only refers to ONE event which lead up to the Arab Israeli war. You do realize there was many events including 67 when palis were displaced...
Duh...
skinnywhop87 1 month ago
@skinnywhop87 OK - so 50 years an increase of x2.33, 63 years = x2.94 (check it :-)
700,000 x 2.94 = 2,058,000 - Big difference then 6,000,000 - 7,000,000!
Ohhh, check the U.N definition of a "refugee" - be amazed, according to them, it's much less that what I have calculated just now!
Keep fooling your self, parroting anti Israel propaganda :-) - the problem is it makes you look foolish after realizing you are lied to all the time!
p058720235 1 month ago
@p058720235 BTW which year do you want PLO establishment as? Back in 55' when they were still fatah and they were fighting Jordan? Or in the 60's-70's when black September was created? Or in the 60's-80's when they working towards unity and recognition as the representatives for the Palestinian people.
The PLO is more like stock investor investing in different stocks. There's different groups that make up the PLO, and soon that may include Hamas since Fatah and them have united
skinnywhop87 1 month ago
@skinnywhop87 Man you have a gift, not answering any question just changing every subject that is uncomfortable for you :-)
Wrong, the PLO was established in 1964! To liberate "Palestine" which Palestine do they mean?! the disputed territories that were captured by Israel in 1967?
You see the irony, you have no idea of the history but run your mouth in full speed before putting your common sense in gear!
"The PLO is more like stock investor investing in different stocks" - funniest I ever heard!
p058720235 1 month ago
@p058720235 Israel is a total oxymoron. It's trying to be a Jewish dominated state (when there's almost an equal amount of Jewish population in North America as Israel), it claims to be a "democracy", in a region where 230 million people didn't vote for creation of a nation 8 million (minority) in their region. Not to mention the Zionist ideology of a "Jewish" homeland was created by an ATHEIST who assisted the Sultan of the Ottoman in propagating his crimes against the Armenians in the late1800
skinnywhop87 1 month ago
@skinnywhop87 Israel is a jewel in a vast area of darkness & barbarism. You are fool with idiotic reasoning (like the Arabs should vote for a creation of a state? What about Europe voting for Italy to exist or not LOL.
Ahhhh, so now the Zionists are responsible for the crimes against Armenia? :-)
Isn't a UN vote good enough for you?
p058720235 1 month ago
@p058720235 BTW you called me a selective bigot? Who's selective? I, like you think the holocaust was a horrible disaster and a complete disgusting disgrace of humanity. I, unlike you don't think the Palestinians (who had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE HOLOCAUST, should continue suffering for it)
No I didn't say "zionists" (as an entity) committed crimes in Armenia. I said the creator of modern zionism, and the first Yeshevs in Israel was an atheist and ran the propaganda journal for the Sultan of
skinnywhop87 1 month ago
@skinnywhop87 Palestinians are suffering because of the Shoa????
That's a new one, how so?
p058720235 1 month ago
@p058720235 .... the ottoman empire while he was slaughtering Armenians and greek christians. That man is Theodore Herzl and he's the founding father of Israel, much before even Ben Gurion had any significance.
A UN vote is fine with me, I made it clear I have no problem with Israel proper's existence. It seems you zionists are the ones who don't respect UN votes, like 242 which tells you to keep your ass within your own borders
skinnywhop87 1 month ago
@skinnywhop87 No sir, the Arabs didn't respect the UN vote! ANd you are wrong again. Read carefully 242, it doesn't categorically state to go back to the pre 1967 borders!!!!
Again, you can't comprehend facts, just lies!
p058720235 1 month ago
@p058720235 You are not entitled to help displace people for your foolish ideology (created by Theodore Herzl an ATHEIST)
Zionism is for fools, and it's anti-Jewish and anti-halacha.
If you knew anything about your Jewish heritage you would know the 10 most sacred rules for all man kind, given to Moses to present to the Israelites, the 10 rules that are NOT OPTIONAL
One says don't steal shit from your neighbors
Another says DON'T kill.
So don't bastardize the name of the Jews for that shit
skinnywhop87 1 month ago
The music was a good idea, don't think you have to obscure your face. I have gotten so worked up in the past about Iran, that I think at one point I lost my marbles, and now I look at that topic like experiencing a hangover. It really bugs me.
IndifferentSky 1 month ago
@IndifferentSky Me too, I'm always right on the middle of the fence with Iran. I think Israel and the US has pushed them to create nuclear weapons to deter the super powers from attacking it. But Iran is also antagonistic in it's own right.
So it's hard to say who's totally right or wrong in this situation
skinnywhop87 1 month ago