To be honest, I think how good 4e is depends on the group, same with any other game. I mean hell, I'm playing in an RM campaign at the minute, and while many aspects of the system suck, there are just as many good points. There are some things that strain the suspension of disbelief, like daily and encounter powers for martial characters, but no more than somehow forgetting how to cast a spell just because you've cast it already. But what do I know? I think D&D sucks regardless of edition...
Wizard class is one of the best support character in 4th edd but it lack the flare of the old wiz but still in the right hand it can give the dm's quite a feeling of helplessness in short. in short a wiz can slowly kill the monster with the monster doing anything that could hurt it... in short its good for torturing dm's
I've played and enjoyed both. I play 3.5 (and now pathfinder) a lot more often than 4E, because certain loud members of my group have hopped onto the anti-4E bandwagon, but if I had my way I'd be playing a PF and a 4E campaign concurrently. There's no reason not to enjoy one just because you prefer the other. That's like failing a student with 90% because another one has a 92%.
Me, I miss 4E because I haven't played it for a while, but in the meantime, I'm enjoying the PF game I'm running.
@Bavalt trust me if one of ur players master the 4th E wizard if ur DM they will really get in to ur nerve while the 4th ed wiz is like chopping ur monster's head off the 4th e is slowly skinning ur helpless monster one mm2 at a time until he dies but that ur monster would practically bone
People just wanted 4E to be exactly the same as 3.5 so they could buy the same books all over again, was this so much to ask?
I can't believe they balanced the Wizard class, the bastards! The Fighter class is now fun and has CHOICES beyond feats? Are they insane? I can't like this new version, what kind of hipster would I be if I did?
4th ed sucks simply coz it is focus on powerplay, not on roleplay. If you like bashing in skulls, but are bored otherwise, it's a fun game, but if you like to pretend you're a great mage or a thieving character and actualy ROLEPLAY it, than I recommend 3.5, which is not based upon combat alone.
@JoeyPsych Funny because 100% of every 4th Edition game I've run and played in, the players were able to roleplay about as well as they were able to combat. Either you're playing with authoritarian DMs or you have no idea how 4e works.
@Scrinoverlord actualy I do know. But just look at 4th ed. It's all buffs, and no penalties, even if you're an roleplayer, you stil play a sort of superman, because you're over the top powerfull. While in the earlier ones, you had penalties, you could be good at one thing but suck in another. Now you are good at multiple ones, and suck at none. So if you want to powerplay you use 4th, and for roleplay the rest.
@JoeyPsych That's not how it works actually. Controllers are (generally) still fragile. Defenders can be all about brute force but sacrifice some defense and HP in the process, or can be an awesome absorber of damage while taking away a bit of firepower. And so on. And there's plenty of players who enjoy powerplay as much as they do roleplaying.
What happened to alignment is they eradicated any source of arguments for alignment. CG is Good, LE is Evil.
@Scrinoverlord See this is the problem with modern players, you play the game like WoW. You should see it differently. You don't play a controller with a wizardclass, you actually play the old einsteinish proffessor type, or maybe the arrogant know it all.
Do you understand the difference with ROLEplay and POWERplay. It's to much about mechanics and winning battles while it used to be about playing a hippy elf or a runty dwarf.
@lifae I don't come across many players that focus entirely on power playing; even the most hardocore "slay and kill" players still had interesting quirks in their characters (collecting the heads from his enemies, verbally challenging everything with bravado, etc.) You must play with some extremely uninteresting players if you're under the delusion that you MUST play 4th Edition like WoW, and there's no room for roleplaying. Because there is. Huge room, actually.
@Scrinoverlord Last group I played with where straight up hack and slash. The extent of role playing was giving the character a name that wasn't the player's.
@Dragdamar Which is a perfectly acceptable way of playing RPGs. You just need to find a group that suits your tastes. I'm a DM that can run a pure hack and slash game as easily as a roleplay and intrigue focused one. The point I'm trying to make is that absolutely nothing is stopping me from running both kinds of games in 4th Edition, which lifae seems to wrongly believe.
@Dragdamar that may be true, but you have to agree with me that 4th is more about being strong, and 3.5 is more about being tactical because you are NOT all powerfull and have unlimmited spells as a wizard or such.
4E just makes every class the same, takes out all Customizability, and takes out the spirit of D&D. It sucks, and it should be eliminated so Wizards can go back to making 3.5 books...
@CthulhuDarkLord bs 4e makes classes more balanced and more specalized to there role. yes this does limet costumization in some ways (like screwing up multiclassing) but you can still pick race,skills,feats,powers,ect. so whats your problem?
I played D&D since 1979, and the only time I stopped playing was for D&D 3.5. That was when the game hit bottom. 3.5? What the hell is that? That is not a game version...that is a bug fix! And a bug fix that didn't fix the game enough. Luckily, 4E released and redeemed D&D again. Meanwhile, the 3.5 fanboys get to go to PathFinder.
@PataHikari nah I actually don't care for arcane casters. I love divine casters though and of course your run of the mill beat em up barbarian or two are always fun.
So where does this show what 4th edition did to the wizard class? I saw the whole "be utterly useless" thing that tends to happen in 3rd edition once the wizard runs out of spells, but I can't seem to find that much in it that resembles the 4th edition wizard class and its at-will spells.
@finalfantasy50 actually the game is tower of druaga, look at the enemies, the hp bars and stuff n.nU, too bad the characters don't look like this ( i wanna play the one konata is playing)
@finalfantasy50 they said it was a parody of why mage class is bad in D&D-Online, that doesn't mean it is the real game that was parodied by lucky star, look at a video of tower of druaga online/mmo, you will see the hp bars like that, the giant slime enemies also and the dungeon looking just like that n.n
@TheOnlyAttrition The wizard is useable from levels 1 - 20 in all versions of D&D. In 3.5 if you know the content well enough you can make auto kill first level wizards that will kill any other char in the game instantly on a failed save, which if your stats are half ok, its easy to do. The wizard is by far the only char in D&D who scales correctly from Levels 1 - 20.
@bobsyouruncle666 in 1st ed. ADnD, the wizard is virtually useless at 1st level. he casts 1 spell and then... throws darts or something. if you dont make that spell count, you're fucked. i killed 9 orcs in a test adventure for 1st ed. (we were playing 3.5 and were trying out 1e for the first time as a group) with a sleep spell. i like some of the spells, and they can be badass, but, as i said, if you dont make that first spell good, then youre useless unless the party camps for the night. :/
@ulzeraj Yeah, those puny wizards are learning how tough it is to slaughter armies now that they don't run out of spells. 4th edition really sticks it to them by forcing them to use magic missile as many times as they want. And how they make wizards unable to prepare ghost sound, light, mage hand, and prestidigitation by making them be able to cast those whenever they want and however many times they want just makes those wizards BEG to play 3.5 edition again.
Yeah. running out of spells, and having to suck for half the fight... man, I loved that. Or starting with one hit point, and not having a defense worth speaking of. man, those were the days. Now, Wizards have good defenses, spells that never run out, and can take a few hits without the party needing to spend astral diamonds to bring him back. god, that sucks now, doesn't it?
@Shalekitty really......people need to stop bitching about 4th edition already-I mean...I learned from 3/3.5, so that's probably always going to be my favorite, but still...I thought 4 was pretty cool-in fact, the first character I made was a wizzard, and I thought they were really cool! Plus...all the people I play with never start at level 1, but usually 3 or so (or higher, depending on the campaign), so we don't have to deal with all that nonsense of dying way too easily, and such ;)
@Shalekitty Yeah, actually having to manage your resources wisely and play cleverly sure did suck, glad they got rid of the need for player skill finally.
@ApostasyUnlimited Is that sarcasm? Hard to tell, but I find 4E has resource management for EVERY class, not just the odd spell caster. Add to that the amount of monster control now available (pushing, sliding, pulling, stunning, dazing etc which all classes get some of to some degree). There is much more skill in combat now.
@Shalekitty Wizards may have been terrible at level one, but you get a good party to aid you throughout your journeys, and I guarantee you'll be the one saving their asses on multiple occasions at higher levels.
@Shalekitty also the main problem is that they DON'T give fighters and paladins lots of hp PER LEVEL(1 point difference isn't much - it should be at least 2 times that of the wizard). this would mean that the dm throws stronger monsters at you and therefore the wizard dies easier in comparison to the other characters, and it is an easy house rule to implement.
@Shalekitty If you're defending 4E, you have already lost the argument. Let's talk about wizards. First of all the recommended feat is toughness, so if you take it you HAVE to start with at least 4 hit points. Second, if a Wizard uses his/her spells properly and carefully, he/she won't run out at a bad time. It's all about how you build your character, with 4E, you DON'T build a character, you chose what kind you want and there is NO Customizability, Its D&D for kiddies...
I've PCed and DMed in 3rd, 3.5 and 4th edition, and I have to say that 4th has a lot of upsides. The character builder is awesome and surprisingly customizable, and as a DM I love the Compendium; all the monsters ever printed in 4th edition in a searchable index. Yeah, it feels a lot like WoW now, but I like that every class has awesome attacks and/or effects they can pull off, not just casters. Wizards are just bitching because they're not as special anymore. :P
The overhaul of magic that took place in 4th edition was long needed. Does anyone remember trying to explain "Turn undead" to a new cleric? It was absolutely disgusting how much you had to roll to do something so simple. I vastly prefer 4th edition.
@killgore333333 Tis true. If WotC had called 4E, X-Men the RPG i doubt anyone would have had a problem with it, but i can't see 4E as D&D, its not even conceptually similiar anymore.
@matthewlane its not gygaxian dnd its a different system and deserves a different name but thats not going to happen wizards loves their cashcow names
@Boredincarnate as opposed to it being a broken polymorph gish 4th edition made a good move in terms of avoiding buff stacking and hard stat stacking that made 3.5 a nightmare to dms and library gig to players
@UncleMark13 That is true yes, but others do have very valid points for their opinions. If I for instance don't like 4e because I feel the influences from video games hinder my ability to role play, I can say that without telling those who may like it that their opinion is invalid. There will never be a game that satisfies everyone. There isn't even an RPG that can hold my sole attention, I enjoy playing D&D, Call of Cthulhu, T&J, and some day I'd like to try Vampire, Rolemaster, and others.
@flimsystick Quite frankly I disagree with the fact that somehow the "system" interferes with role-playing, or characters, or plot. You, the players and the DM *make* the game the you want it. The system is there to lay down the basic framework, not to impede your imagination. You aren't the only one using "4e cripples my roleplaying ability" as a complaint crutch against the new edition, those that are need to suck it up and deal IMHO.
@voodoomanboy Yes but if you find that the framework of 3.5 allows for better roleplaying than 4.0, then why make the switch? You can say it doesn't interfere all you like, but I think you're missing the point. Some people sincerely get a better experience out of 3.5.
This isn't really an accurate description of how Wizards work now. I'm fairly certain you know that. In fact, these really doesn't even come close to an accurate description. Wizards in 4E are particularly fond of AoE damage, status, and/or terrain effects. They get twice as many dailies and utility powers as anyone else (though they have to pick which ones they're going to use at the beginning of the day). They're also pretty much the best class for using rituals.
Honestly, I don't think the change is all THAT bad. They just made it easier for people to get into. Some people say over-simplified, but I say deal with it. So they made it easier for people to understand and put a little more emphasis on combat skills. So what? They took out a few abilities and made flipping through the handbook for rules less of a hassle. Big whoop.
I'm sure this would make since if you understood Japanese, but I don't get what this has to do with D&D at all. What did they do to wizards. turn them into food vendors Ala World of Warcraft?
They didn't wanted to improve the game, they just tryed to compite with digital games like WoW transforming the legendary character sheet in to some kind of manual interface with stupid rules and new limitations that only like to children making us, veteran players, aside..
(Sigh) .. If Gygax were still alive, what should he do?
From what I understand 4th edition allows for more customization of the character themselves as opposed to (From what I understand) 3 edition with characters who are always the same. As for the rules. Well, yeah, they feel more MMOish but... arnt MMORPG's based on the original Tabletop format of D&D? they are only trying to improve the formula and make it less of a mess to play with. They want more people to play it and easy accessability and customization are they key to this.
Well how intricate the character is always depends on how you build their personality and back story. The thing about 3.5 versus 4.0 is that in 3.5 wizards and most classes had a lot more out of combat options. 4.0 focuses more on combat.
Uh, I think you need to reverse those roles. In 3.5 DnD, you could do just about anything, spells were more flexible, and you had near limitless potential as a character. In 4th edition, there are certain paths you can take as a certain character. and many abilities you could choose from are useless. Second, players didn't have the ability to arbitrarily heal themselves, even if they can't use magic.
MMOs are easy versions of DnD at their best, because you can't pick up a table in an MMO
Basically, in DnD, you can jump wall to wall, and land on a roof, you can teleport anywhere in the universe you play in, wield any weapon even if you're not actually trained in it, improvise weapons, set traps, make golems, have a brothel, start up an evil cult, comquer a city, or go into real estate.
4e is different. It leveled the playing field between casting classes and martial classes. Previously, if you didn't cast spells your character was a great torch bearer for those whose characters did cast spells. 4e changed that. And change is /scary/ to a lot of roleplayers (read: munchkins)
Well yeah, but then the only reason anyone ever plays a fighter or cleric is because the party NEEDS them, not because they were fun to play.
Ok you could min/max a cleric out to be an unstoppable killing machine if you put the time in but seriously the wizard player was always just having at least 2x as much fun as the rogue and maybe 5x as much fun as the fighter.
I disagree. For me, 4e fixed so much that was wrong with 3/3.5.
Just the fact that non-caster classes can now deal enough damage in combat to count is a big deal. Not to mention the fact that powers make the whole combat aspect of the game a hell of a lot more interesting.
i understand that you have your oppinion, but consensus among players where i come from is "4e sucks, break out the 3.5." i agree with them. i enjoy watching the fighter deal 2d8+4d6 while i, the sorcerer, am doing about 15d6 on average. Class powers FTL.
I cant believe that the majority of gamers have accepted 4th. In the area where i live they have all switched over citing that its supposedly more "balanced". I think not. In the 4e campaign i am playing a 8th level halfling rogue did nearly 200 points of damage in one round with a dagger. The group thought it was fun to kill the monster before it could ever attack but i did not. Really weak system from W.O.T.C
Hehehehehehe 3.5 makes making a real Necromancer super fun (can't do that in 4e) 3 levelsof wiz/3levels of cleric then go into True Necromancer for 14 levels to gain loads of spells/ then 10 levels of Pale Master/ Finally i believe its a prestige called Undead Commander or Commander of the Undead but max levels of that too and you become SUPER NECROMANCER
I've played AD&D to 4E and I've enjoyed it all for the most part. 3.5 so far is my favorite of them all, it is a very good mix of a solid rule base that can handle complex intricacies that overall greatly enhances the role-playing (both tactically and dramatically) for both players and DMs alike.
I have also DM'd 4E as well. IMO: when dealing with new players, the simplicity and balance of 4E is the ideal choice. But for more experienced and hardcore gamers, 3.5 offers so much more.
this looks really like a game, but i cant put my hopes up on that.
goldmetal57 2 days ago
o.o...umm...can you please elaborate?
VYxFrost 1 week ago
What are you nerds talking about?! D:<
Chibi269 3 weeks ago
@Chibi269 hahahaha n1
LightmatorR 3 weeks ago
To be honest, I think how good 4e is depends on the group, same with any other game. I mean hell, I'm playing in an RM campaign at the minute, and while many aspects of the system suck, there are just as many good points. There are some things that strain the suspension of disbelief, like daily and encounter powers for martial characters, but no more than somehow forgetting how to cast a spell just because you've cast it already. But what do I know? I think D&D sucks regardless of edition...
Parker8752 1 month ago
... what???
eggmancorp 1 month ago
wrong timing
mrxai658 1 month ago
There are two types of people who play 4E.
1 - The new WoW-fed generation of table-top gamers.
2- People who care more about the collaborative narrative and less about the rules for what spells you can cast.
FabledTitan 1 month ago
Wizard class is one of the best support character in 4th edd but it lack the flare of the old wiz but still in the right hand it can give the dm's quite a feeling of helplessness in short. in short a wiz can slowly kill the monster with the monster doing anything that could hurt it... in short its good for torturing dm's
tarlison2k1 2 months ago
I've played and enjoyed both. I play 3.5 (and now pathfinder) a lot more often than 4E, because certain loud members of my group have hopped onto the anti-4E bandwagon, but if I had my way I'd be playing a PF and a 4E campaign concurrently. There's no reason not to enjoy one just because you prefer the other. That's like failing a student with 90% because another one has a 92%.
Me, I miss 4E because I haven't played it for a while, but in the meantime, I'm enjoying the PF game I'm running.
Bavalt 2 months ago
@Bavalt trust me if one of ur players master the 4th E wizard if ur DM they will really get in to ur nerve while the 4th ed wiz is like chopping ur monster's head off the 4th e is slowly skinning ur helpless monster one mm2 at a time until he dies but that ur monster would practically bone
tarlison2k1 2 months ago
Esa Tsukasa como siempre una T... es muy Despistada y Distraida JA JA JA Genial!!!!!!!! XD ^_-.
bunnyCHizuruXXX486 2 months ago
People just wanted 4E to be exactly the same as 3.5 so they could buy the same books all over again, was this so much to ask?
I can't believe they balanced the Wizard class, the bastards! The Fighter class is now fun and has CHOICES beyond feats? Are they insane? I can't like this new version, what kind of hipster would I be if I did?
landovers 2 months ago
NOOBS you eat meat before you fight the slime stupid noobrolfskatecopsters
31DogKing 2 months ago
Just switch to a system like GURPS or Hackmaster. Problem solved.
Elliandr 3 months ago
@Elliandr
or Pathfinder, the way D&D 4rth Edition was MEANT to be.
RikiRaccoon 3 months ago
@RikiRaccoon I played Pathfinder. It's actually based on 3.5 rules, not 4th edition rules. GURPS is still a better system.
Elliandr 3 months ago
@Elliandr
Exactly, the way 4rth was MEANT to be. An IMPROVEMENT from 3.5
Windows 7 and Windows XP are different, but its clear one was derrived from the other.
3.5 to 4rth is like someone got high and fell into a bin of used WoW tutorials and decided to base their game off of those.
RikiRaccoon 2 months ago
4th ed sucks simply coz it is focus on powerplay, not on roleplay. If you like bashing in skulls, but are bored otherwise, it's a fun game, but if you like to pretend you're a great mage or a thieving character and actualy ROLEPLAY it, than I recommend 3.5, which is not based upon combat alone.
JoeyPsych 3 months ago 5
@JoeyPsych Funny because 100% of every 4th Edition game I've run and played in, the players were able to roleplay about as well as they were able to combat. Either you're playing with authoritarian DMs or you have no idea how 4e works.
Scrinoverlord 1 month ago
@Scrinoverlord actualy I do know. But just look at 4th ed. It's all buffs, and no penalties, even if you're an roleplayer, you stil play a sort of superman, because you're over the top powerfull. While in the earlier ones, you had penalties, you could be good at one thing but suck in another. Now you are good at multiple ones, and suck at none. So if you want to powerplay you use 4th, and for roleplay the rest.
btw, whatever happened to CG and LE?
JoeyPsych 1 month ago
@JoeyPsych That's not how it works actually. Controllers are (generally) still fragile. Defenders can be all about brute force but sacrifice some defense and HP in the process, or can be an awesome absorber of damage while taking away a bit of firepower. And so on. And there's plenty of players who enjoy powerplay as much as they do roleplaying.
What happened to alignment is they eradicated any source of arguments for alignment. CG is Good, LE is Evil.
Scrinoverlord 1 month ago
@Scrinoverlord See this is the problem with modern players, you play the game like WoW. You should see it differently. You don't play a controller with a wizardclass, you actually play the old einsteinish proffessor type, or maybe the arrogant know it all.
Do you understand the difference with ROLEplay and POWERplay. It's to much about mechanics and winning battles while it used to be about playing a hippy elf or a runty dwarf.
Btw, CG is completely different from NG or LG.
lifae 1 month ago
@lifae I don't come across many players that focus entirely on power playing; even the most hardocore "slay and kill" players still had interesting quirks in their characters (collecting the heads from his enemies, verbally challenging everything with bravado, etc.) You must play with some extremely uninteresting players if you're under the delusion that you MUST play 4th Edition like WoW, and there's no room for roleplaying. Because there is. Huge room, actually.
Scrinoverlord 1 month ago
@Scrinoverlord Last group I played with where straight up hack and slash. The extent of role playing was giving the character a name that wasn't the player's.
Dragdamar 3 weeks ago
@Dragdamar Which is a perfectly acceptable way of playing RPGs. You just need to find a group that suits your tastes. I'm a DM that can run a pure hack and slash game as easily as a roleplay and intrigue focused one. The point I'm trying to make is that absolutely nothing is stopping me from running both kinds of games in 4th Edition, which lifae seems to wrongly believe.
Scrinoverlord 3 weeks ago
@JoeyPsych All D&D has been about killing people and stealing their stuff. There has never been any other form of D&D. Play GURPS!
Dragdamar 3 weeks ago
@Dragdamar that may be true, but you have to agree with me that 4th is more about being strong, and 3.5 is more about being tactical because you are NOT all powerfull and have unlimmited spells as a wizard or such.
JoeyPsych 3 weeks ago
WTF IS THE GAME? I WANNA PLAY =3
cutiefoxyify 3 months ago
@cutiefoxyify ........its not a game its an a nime about a game! FUUUCK! >.<
foxain 3 months ago
4E just makes every class the same, takes out all Customizability, and takes out the spirit of D&D. It sucks, and it should be eliminated so Wizards can go back to making 3.5 books...
CthulhuDarkLord 3 months ago 2
@CthulhuDarkLord bs 4e makes classes more balanced and more specalized to there role. yes this does limet costumization in some ways (like screwing up multiclassing) but you can still pick race,skills,feats,powers,ect. so whats your problem?
apex588 3 months ago
Somebody is probably just mad that their wizard wasn't the most OP character in the group at high levels.
CylonDorado 4 months ago
whats the game from the name?
TfmAnselchia 4 months ago
is this a real game? if it is what is it?
HaloMice 5 months ago
@HaloMice It's a scene from Luck Star's (anime) OVA.
Cedarwillow 4 months ago
Does that mutton tastes like delicious Vancian Caster rage?
HabeQuiddam88 5 months ago
if that wasn't the dumbest video ever. lets just scroll the title of the video across some show. BRILLIANT!!! yeah i dont think so
DragonisHellfire420 5 months ago
did anyone else see miku?
henrysink 5 months ago
ummmm what?
mrbishp33 5 months ago
Ooooh XD I cant believe,lucky star game (no...realy mr obvious)
Gabressan 6 months ago
DDO isnt 4e, its 3.5 with some modifications so that online game play will flow better.
MauserK43 6 months ago
3.5 Uber Alles
ValorianKnight 7 months ago
lol wow this game looks pretty entertaining lmao
warriorfire8103 7 months ago
YAY LUCKYSTAR
studioarts100 7 months ago
Tsukasa better share that mutton with her sister.
KoopaKonartist 8 months ago
Oh, i thought that was Lucky Star XD My mistake :3 But then again, who can make a distinction between the two?
OlderSnake 8 months ago
I don't get it!
jediewok 8 months ago
I played D&D since 1979, and the only time I stopped playing was for D&D 3.5. That was when the game hit bottom. 3.5? What the hell is that? That is not a game version...that is a bug fix! And a bug fix that didn't fix the game enough. Luckily, 4E released and redeemed D&D again. Meanwhile, the 3.5 fanboys get to go to PathFinder.
wizoroc1 8 months ago
4E Blows. 3.5/pf/ or 3. modern are waaaaaaay better.
boxnacage18 8 months ago
@boxnacage18 Let me guess, you played wizards.
PataHikari 5 months ago
@PataHikari nah I actually don't care for arcane casters. I love divine casters though and of course your run of the mill beat em up barbarian or two are always fun.
boxnacage18 4 months ago
So where does this show what 4th edition did to the wizard class? I saw the whole "be utterly useless" thing that tends to happen in 3rd edition once the wizard runs out of spells, but I can't seem to find that much in it that resembles the 4th edition wizard class and its at-will spells.
markermage 8 months ago
what game is this :O
finalfantasy50 8 months ago
@finalfantasy50 who cares, JRPGs are walkthroughs
spites1 8 months ago
@finalfantasy50 It's not a game, It's an anime.
SirKitsune08 8 months ago
@SirKitsune08 I know, but this episode is inside a game -.-
The anime is Lucky Star.
The game is Dungeons and Dragons Online.
finalfantasy50 8 months ago
@finalfantasy50 Why are you asking what the game is if you know what it is x_x
SirKitsune08 8 months ago
@SirKitsune08 because i looked it up afterwards ^^
finalfantasy50 8 months ago
@finalfantasy50 Ok XD weeeelll... I thought this was a random game they made up lol
SirKitsune08 8 months ago
@SirKitsune08 ^^
finalfantasy50 8 months ago
@finalfantasy50 ^_^
SirKitsune08 8 months ago
@finalfantasy50 actually the game is tower of druaga, look at the enemies, the hp bars and stuff n.nU, too bad the characters don't look like this ( i wanna play the one konata is playing)
Dewani90 7 months ago
@Dewani90 then why is both the title flowing past in the beginning and tags containing D&D?
finalfantasy50 7 months ago
@finalfantasy50 they said it was a parody of why mage class is bad in D&D-Online, that doesn't mean it is the real game that was parodied by lucky star, look at a video of tower of druaga online/mmo, you will see the hp bars like that, the giant slime enemies also and the dungeon looking just like that n.n
Dewani90 7 months ago
uhhhhhhhh.
Yukensei 9 months ago
Well, this is the proof I needed to know that 4e is better than 3.5/pathfinder. Thanks!
sf57198 9 months ago
Just seeing this makes me want to torch a Japanese anime studio. XD
Nonamearisto 9 months ago
Lucky Star ftw
CastroMaoist1956 9 months ago
lawl
MALKton 10 months ago
I guess i'll stick with 3.5 / 3.75 (Pathfinder)
Helltamirre 10 months ago
@Helltamirre lol pathfinder isnt 3.75... its what i like to call true 4th edition
InsanityOne89 10 months ago
@InsanityOne89 It's called 3.75 But with 4th being what it is...
Helltamirre 10 months ago
Question... where is this from?
Meidoification 10 months ago
you mean "make the wizard usable at low levels"? then yes that is what 4th edition does to the wizard.
TheOnlyAttrition 10 months ago
@TheOnlyAttrition The wizard is useable from levels 1 - 20 in all versions of D&D. In 3.5 if you know the content well enough you can make auto kill first level wizards that will kill any other char in the game instantly on a failed save, which if your stats are half ok, its easy to do. The wizard is by far the only char in D&D who scales correctly from Levels 1 - 20.
bobsyouruncle666 10 months ago
@bobsyouruncle666 in 1st ed. ADnD, the wizard is virtually useless at 1st level. he casts 1 spell and then... throws darts or something. if you dont make that spell count, you're fucked. i killed 9 orcs in a test adventure for 1st ed. (we were playing 3.5 and were trying out 1e for the first time as a group) with a sleep spell. i like some of the spells, and they can be badass, but, as i said, if you dont make that first spell good, then youre useless unless the party camps for the night. :/
TheOnlyAttrition 10 months ago
I loved it. Punny wizards are now learning their places. :p
ulzeraj 11 months ago
@ulzeraj Yeah, those puny wizards are learning how tough it is to slaughter armies now that they don't run out of spells. 4th edition really sticks it to them by forcing them to use magic missile as many times as they want. And how they make wizards unable to prepare ghost sound, light, mage hand, and prestidigitation by making them be able to cast those whenever they want and however many times they want just makes those wizards BEG to play 3.5 edition again.
markermage 10 months ago
Wait, this is actually a game? duh name? @_@
TheDarkAngelHate 1 year ago
Way Cute ;D
GunmadMadman 1 year ago
WAT is the name of that game?
MicahSagun9 1 year ago 2
what is this game DX DX
luna002030 1 year ago
Yeah. running out of spells, and having to suck for half the fight... man, I loved that. Or starting with one hit point, and not having a defense worth speaking of. man, those were the days. Now, Wizards have good defenses, spells that never run out, and can take a few hits without the party needing to spend astral diamonds to bring him back. god, that sucks now, doesn't it?
Shalekitty 1 year ago 22
@Shalekitty
Seriously...
And what was the deal with slingshots and darts?
I mean, it's easier to learn to shoot with a crossbow than with one of those...
DuncanDDante 1 year ago
@Shalekitty : Couldn't have said it better.
whoopsiedaisy69 1 year ago
@Shalekitty really......people need to stop bitching about 4th edition already-I mean...I learned from 3/3.5, so that's probably always going to be my favorite, but still...I thought 4 was pretty cool-in fact, the first character I made was a wizzard, and I thought they were really cool! Plus...all the people I play with never start at level 1, but usually 3 or so (or higher, depending on the campaign), so we don't have to deal with all that nonsense of dying way too easily, and such ;)
ramiel555 1 year ago
@Shalekitty Wait. Your wizard had shitty defenses? Man, the class wasn't the problem - you were just a shitty wizard!
If anything, 4th ed works because it de-powers everything big the wizard did. Some people like the change, some don't - I say "Pathfinder!"
Squeejee09 4 months ago 2
@Squeejee09 A lot of people say that is the best for groups caught up in the edition wars bullshit.
zyphier 3 months ago
@Shalekitty Yeah, actually having to manage your resources wisely and play cleverly sure did suck, glad they got rid of the need for player skill finally.
ApostasyUnlimited 4 months ago 21
@ApostasyUnlimited Is that sarcasm? Hard to tell, but I find 4E has resource management for EVERY class, not just the odd spell caster. Add to that the amount of monster control now available (pushing, sliding, pulling, stunning, dazing etc which all classes get some of to some degree). There is much more skill in combat now.
Coldheart322 2 months ago
@Shalekitty Wizards may have been terrible at level one, but you get a good party to aid you throughout your journeys, and I guarantee you'll be the one saving their asses on multiple occasions at higher levels.
FastFacto4 4 months ago
@Shalekitty wait... the dm didn't actually set a monster that is capable of messing up a wizard easily at you!!??....
then your game must suck.
doombybbr 4 months ago
@Shalekitty also the main problem is that they DON'T give fighters and paladins lots of hp PER LEVEL(1 point difference isn't much - it should be at least 2 times that of the wizard). this would mean that the dm throws stronger monsters at you and therefore the wizard dies easier in comparison to the other characters, and it is an easy house rule to implement.
doombybbr 4 months ago
@Shalekitty Couldn't have stated it better myself.
10thLevelWizard 4 months ago
@Shalekitty If you're defending 4E, you have already lost the argument. Let's talk about wizards. First of all the recommended feat is toughness, so if you take it you HAVE to start with at least 4 hit points. Second, if a Wizard uses his/her spells properly and carefully, he/she won't run out at a bad time. It's all about how you build your character, with 4E, you DON'T build a character, you chose what kind you want and there is NO Customizability, Its D&D for kiddies...
CthulhuDarkLord 3 months ago
@Shalekitty I solo-killed a LOT of monsters as a 1st lvl wizard in 3.5. 4E is basically the pen and paper version of WoW.
gimbledink7227 3 months ago 2
Isn't this more of a 3.5 wizard?
Forcing the party to break immersion so he can sit out and get his spells back?
Ekiatoui 1 year ago 2
I've PCed and DMed in 3rd, 3.5 and 4th edition, and I have to say that 4th has a lot of upsides. The character builder is awesome and surprisingly customizable, and as a DM I love the Compendium; all the monsters ever printed in 4th edition in a searchable index. Yeah, it feels a lot like WoW now, but I like that every class has awesome attacks and/or effects they can pull off, not just casters. Wizards are just bitching because they're not as special anymore. :P
Guardian978 1 year ago
Doesnt matter the version as much as how you play and who you play with, end of story.
voidspof87 1 year ago
@voidspof87 Agreed. There's even other systems out there besides DnD, if people really wanna stick it to Wizards. Is GURPS still going?
Guardian978 1 year ago
@Guardian978 Yes it is. It's 4th edition now, and features a new "Dungeon Fantasy" series of manuals to manage hack'n slash in GURPS style.
Wedhro 1 year ago
OMG they're now japanese!!!
run! hide!
koknmore 1 year ago
What is this?
uberownageman 1 year ago
The overhaul of magic that took place in 4th edition was long needed. Does anyone remember trying to explain "Turn undead" to a new cleric? It was absolutely disgusting how much you had to roll to do something so simple. I vastly prefer 4th edition.
MalachorWraith 1 year ago 2
I don't get it.
ChuBluLuv 1 year ago
@ChuBluLuv I agree. I don't understand what just happened.
GamerKale 1 year ago
wtf is this?
Radiscool1 1 year ago 4
both systems have good and bad to them and i can see and encourage both systems just depends on what you expect and want from a campaign
killgore333333 1 year ago
@killgore333333 Tis true. If WotC had called 4E, X-Men the RPG i doubt anyone would have had a problem with it, but i can't see 4E as D&D, its not even conceptually similiar anymore.
matthewlane 1 year ago
@matthewlane its not gygaxian dnd its a different system and deserves a different name but thats not going to happen wizards loves their cashcow names
killgore333333 1 year ago
bring back second edition! LOL
neirfane 1 year ago
Say, isn't that a classic 1st edition wizard after it uses it's one spell the entire adventure?
KingZolem 1 year ago 2
The wizard class got nerfed for little kids to play
Boredincarnate 1 year ago
@Boredincarnate as opposed to it being a broken polymorph gish 4th edition made a good move in terms of avoiding buff stacking and hard stat stacking that made 3.5 a nightmare to dms and library gig to players
killgore333333 1 year ago
PATHFINDER
kaymanklynman 1 year ago 48
@kaymanklynman
you best be trollin'
xferalhumanx 1 year ago
@kaymanklynman huh?
halfdragonhal 4 months ago
roflmao
sango213 1 year ago
FUCK YES.
4TH EDITION IS PERFECT THEN.
alasanof 1 year ago
I don't like 4th edition, 3.5 is much better in my opinion.
Chalupapie 1 year ago 5
@Chalupapie of course it is, it is the best so far! :)
robertgaudlitz 1 year ago
Konata and the others in the game?
14Drixon 1 year ago
what game is this lol i like it
Silvershot6986 1 year ago
......It turns them into annoying anime characters?
hermitcrab3 1 year ago
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hermitcrab3 1 year ago
This is why they lost the war!
eastwood13 1 year ago
thats not what I'm doing
pumakil 1 year ago
4Th ed is pretty good in my opinion.I like all the races and classes.I don't get why people hate it so much
pumakil 1 year ago 2
@pumakil some people feel the need to look down their noses at others.
UncleMark13 1 year ago
@UncleMark13 That is true yes, but others do have very valid points for their opinions. If I for instance don't like 4e because I feel the influences from video games hinder my ability to role play, I can say that without telling those who may like it that their opinion is invalid. There will never be a game that satisfies everyone. There isn't even an RPG that can hold my sole attention, I enjoy playing D&D, Call of Cthulhu, T&J, and some day I'd like to try Vampire, Rolemaster, and others.
flimsystick 1 year ago
@flimsystick Quite frankly I disagree with the fact that somehow the "system" interferes with role-playing, or characters, or plot. You, the players and the DM *make* the game the you want it. The system is there to lay down the basic framework, not to impede your imagination. You aren't the only one using "4e cripples my roleplaying ability" as a complaint crutch against the new edition, those that are need to suck it up and deal IMHO.
voodoomanboy 1 year ago 4
@voodoomanboy Yes but if you find that the framework of 3.5 allows for better roleplaying than 4.0, then why make the switch? You can say it doesn't interfere all you like, but I think you're missing the point. Some people sincerely get a better experience out of 3.5.
JasonHouston77 1 year ago
@pumakil
It makes it feel like World of Warcraft on paper
Tons more simple, less classes..another set of books to buy! I am, along with many, are content with 3/.5
xxBlacksundayxx 1 year ago
@xxBlacksundayxx
Less classes....
Let's see
Cleric, Fighter, Paladin, Ranger, Rouge, Wizard, Warlord, Warlock (PHB 1)
Sword Mage (Forgotten Realms Handbook)
Avenger, Barbarian, Bard, Druid, Invoker, Shaman, Sorcerer, Warden (PHB 2)
Ardent, Battle Mind, Monk, Psion, Seeker, Hybrid (duel classes) [PHB 3]
Artificer (Eberron Players Handbook)
Assassin (Dragon Magazine #379)
That's a lot of damn classes.
Cynisperer 1 year ago
Lol when she starts eating it's like she is lagging xD
saske96 1 year ago
This isn't really an accurate description of how Wizards work now. I'm fairly certain you know that. In fact, these really doesn't even come close to an accurate description. Wizards in 4E are particularly fond of AoE damage, status, and/or terrain effects. They get twice as many dailies and utility powers as anyone else (though they have to pick which ones they're going to use at the beginning of the day). They're also pretty much the best class for using rituals.
KriimIanga 1 year ago
HEAL!
shooterperson 1 year ago
jrpgs should die
seriouslyWeird 1 year ago
Honestly, I don't think the change is all THAT bad. They just made it easier for people to get into. Some people say over-simplified, but I say deal with it. So they made it easier for people to understand and put a little more emphasis on combat skills. So what? They took out a few abilities and made flipping through the handbook for rules less of a hassle. Big whoop.
TrueKnight25 1 year ago
I'm sure this would make since if you understood Japanese, but I don't get what this has to do with D&D at all. What did they do to wizards. turn them into food vendors Ala World of Warcraft?
dragon1130 1 year ago
Thats why im a sorcerer. Wizards? Pfft.
CaramelDancen 1 year ago
What......is........going........on?!
TheRavenEclipse 1 year ago
:O! AWESOME! :O :O :O :O :O :O!
Lostxsoul8o8 1 year ago
I didn't know the characters from Lucky Star were wizards! xD
xXxChapinxXx 1 year ago
AAAh is there a pc vision of these, pls answer I need to have this game
saske96 2 years ago
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saske96 2 years ago
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sfdgrsfgberbesrt 2 years ago
Ooooook..?
Bidmartinlo 2 years ago
I have no idea whats going on in this video, but its hilarious
Krylov223 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
so funny
I loved D&D. We now make movies on You Tube. They are in the Dungeons and Dragons time, rules, and classes
Made by: Shadowyn Films
Title: Soul Searching
Wintertide
Challenge of the Wizards
If you have any story ideas, character arch types....pass the idea on..Enjoy
capndax 2 years ago
4e is a bad joke ...
They didn't wanted to improve the game, they just tryed to compite with digital games like WoW transforming the legendary character sheet in to some kind of manual interface with stupid rules and new limitations that only like to children making us, veteran players, aside..
(Sigh) .. If Gygax were still alive, what should he do?
Asheco 2 years ago
From what I understand 4th edition allows for more customization of the character themselves as opposed to (From what I understand) 3 edition with characters who are always the same. As for the rules. Well, yeah, they feel more MMOish but... arnt MMORPG's based on the original Tabletop format of D&D? they are only trying to improve the formula and make it less of a mess to play with. They want more people to play it and easy accessability and customization are they key to this.
dragon1130 1 year ago 3
Still Sux... 3.5 ver. 4ever!
Asheco 1 year ago
Well how intricate the character is always depends on how you build their personality and back story. The thing about 3.5 versus 4.0 is that in 3.5 wizards and most classes had a lot more out of combat options. 4.0 focuses more on combat.
solus48 1 year ago
Uh, I think you need to reverse those roles. In 3.5 DnD, you could do just about anything, spells were more flexible, and you had near limitless potential as a character. In 4th edition, there are certain paths you can take as a certain character. and many abilities you could choose from are useless. Second, players didn't have the ability to arbitrarily heal themselves, even if they can't use magic.
MMOs are easy versions of DnD at their best, because you can't pick up a table in an MMO
blackmage665 1 year ago
Basically, in DnD, you can jump wall to wall, and land on a roof, you can teleport anywhere in the universe you play in, wield any weapon even if you're not actually trained in it, improvise weapons, set traps, make golems, have a brothel, start up an evil cult, comquer a city, or go into real estate.
blackmage665 1 year ago
@dragon1130 actually it's the opposite
LastExyle 1 year ago
@Asheco
He'd play pathfinder.
Locothrope 1 year ago
it is very much possible to make a non spellcasting class do awsome damage in 3.5 to
and a cleric can be a good damage dealer to with some divined metamagic and stuff
s4ul0t 2 years ago
4e is different. It leveled the playing field between casting classes and martial classes. Previously, if you didn't cast spells your character was a great torch bearer for those whose characters did cast spells. 4e changed that. And change is /scary/ to a lot of roleplayers (read: munchkins)
Amberscion 2 years ago
every party needs a tank and a healer to Amberscion you cant do with only damage dealers
s4ul0t 2 years ago
Well yeah, but then the only reason anyone ever plays a fighter or cleric is because the party NEEDS them, not because they were fun to play.
Ok you could min/max a cleric out to be an unstoppable killing machine if you put the time in but seriously the wizard player was always just having at least 2x as much fun as the rogue and maybe 5x as much fun as the fighter.
Not that you can y'know quantify fun or anything.
Beelzeboogie 2 years ago 2
@Beelzeboogie uh...i chose to play a cleric, and i'm having a great time. i find its much better balanced and fun to play than a 3.5 cleric.
morlock19 1 year ago
4e sucks. simple as that. only thing thats cooler in 4e than 3.5 is that the teifling is russian.
SorcererOpher 2 years ago
I disagree. For me, 4e fixed so much that was wrong with 3/3.5.
Just the fact that non-caster classes can now deal enough damage in combat to count is a big deal. Not to mention the fact that powers make the whole combat aspect of the game a hell of a lot more interesting.
Tigerplata 2 years ago 3
i understand that you have your oppinion, but consensus among players where i come from is "4e sucks, break out the 3.5." i agree with them. i enjoy watching the fighter deal 2d8+4d6 while i, the sorcerer, am doing about 15d6 on average. Class powers FTL.
SorcererOpher 2 years ago
Well yeah, but YOU are the sorcerer. Sucks for the fighter.
Beelzeboogie 2 years ago 6
@SorcererOpher
Yeah, that makes sense seeing as you are the sorcerer. :3
Tigerplata 2 years ago
huh? i dnt get it
apex2000 2 years ago
I cant believe that the majority of gamers have accepted 4th. In the area where i live they have all switched over citing that its supposedly more "balanced". I think not. In the 4e campaign i am playing a 8th level halfling rogue did nearly 200 points of damage in one round with a dagger. The group thought it was fun to kill the monster before it could ever attack but i did not. Really weak system from W.O.T.C
clergame 2 years ago
SADDDD, its just SAD
flippyyyyfan9 2 years ago
4E is good, better for novice players. I've only been playing D&D sporadically since 2007, starting with 3.5, but 4E works better for me.
But I do agree 3.5 is better for more experienced players.
And BTW, I HATE World of Warcraft.
PaulieRomanov 2 years ago
hackmaster and pathfinder FTW
phaedruslive 2 years ago
Hehehehehehe 3.5 makes making a real Necromancer super fun (can't do that in 4e) 3 levelsof wiz/3levels of cleric then go into True Necromancer for 14 levels to gain loads of spells/ then 10 levels of Pale Master/ Finally i believe its a prestige called Undead Commander or Commander of the Undead but max levels of that too and you become SUPER NECROMANCER
DestroyerofLight666 2 years ago
I've played AD&D to 4E and I've enjoyed it all for the most part. 3.5 so far is my favorite of them all, it is a very good mix of a solid rule base that can handle complex intricacies that overall greatly enhances the role-playing (both tactically and dramatically) for both players and DMs alike.
I have also DM'd 4E as well. IMO: when dealing with new players, the simplicity and balance of 4E is the ideal choice. But for more experienced and hardcore gamers, 3.5 offers so much more.
Bakazuraz 2 years ago
Sorcerers were always better than wizards.
azaptyE 2 years ago