From what I've seen, I'd compare Rachel to Snake from Smash Bros. While she's obviously not as strong as Snake, she can set the opponent up for major damage, like Snake and his 'nades and mines.
@TomTom6055 720 is the grab distortion drive that deals 5600 health. Feel free to look up dustloop or blazblue.com for some aid with this match-up. Both Tager and Rachel are low on the Overall match-up data.
@squallgallardo I'm just saying that tiers do matter and doesn't change no matter who plays them since tier-lists are based on overall matchups and in some cases, frame data.
But I'll finish by saying that unless you're trying to play in tournaments or whatnot,
you should just pick who you're comfortable with.
(jeez, sounds like I'm trying to be some wannabe pro or something...)
All characters can be low tier or high tier depending on the user....
This proves that Matsu is one of the best Rachel's around, and because most of the people went through that "low-tier" bull, there is not much Rachel players around.
@squallgallardo Look at how much Rachel has to work for her damage, yet pretty much any character can do the same in one-two combos.
Besides, today's tier-lists are based on overall matchups against certain characters,
and look at Rachel, she barely has any wins over anyone than herself, that's a balance flaw. Still, i agree, find a character you like and just use it,
don't take tier-lists so seriously and just enjoy the game (says the guy who can't bear to main any character over high-mid tier)
@CrimsonMoonM LOL Yeah, for example I know I suck with Bang, but I can really main Ragna and Hazama. Rachel is fun to use, as Carl.....Hell, I even play better Arakune than Bang, just hate doing combos with him (no harm intended to Bang users, I respect all of you).
@squallgallardo Take Dan as a example, he was made shit-tier on purpose,
yet, a skilled player can win with him, does that make his shit-tier status a lie?
No. it is proven that overall, all other characters just got too many advantages over him. This is a fact for Rachel too, she is bad, that doesn't mean a skilled player can't win with her, but that doesn't make her disadvantage against the rest of the cast any less true.
Sheesh, you need to go take a look at Potempkin (he is by far better and stronger than Tager) 720 cannot be combo'ed or you can tech it, if you didn't tech it it is your fault. With regaurds to pretty much everyone else but rachel, They can do just as much or more damage with 50 Heat as his throw. Half the damage and his normal command throws hit harder and can be combo'ed from not to mention puts the person into Gadget finger wake-up game.
@teepofoulu Keep in mind I am a little biased for a Rachel because come on. Look what they did to her T.T I got Cs yesterday and I am tring to main her and well... I cant really combo with her. TT.TT But Im trying. And whats 720, I dont know these number thingys
Rachel vs Tager is so unfair, as a Rachel mainer I always get pissed off whenever I fight Tager. He sledges through everything I have and there's nothing I can do when he's pounding away at me with his gigantic fists >:(
having a rachel main i thought that CS would have to force me to change my main but as far as i know her lighting got weakened and the frog well just walks but zaps almost instantly but as far as everything appears i may not have to change cause when i use rachel i rarely use her lighting attack the dd, a ones. i more or less russ the hell out my oppenent and use her physical attacks...and it works. so unless they weakend those as well i really dont see anything changing
Rachel is becoming better and better as the game goes on. Plus honestly Matsu pretty much had Yumura in the first round but I think was too scared to take a combo,barrier bursted, and tried to have time run out and win the round but it ended up screwing him over. You still have to give all these players credit since pretty much all their matches are also their practice time since the console version isn't out yet. So kudos for both of them for learning as they play.
@JapanguyGM2500 I love seeing educated comments such as yours, it makes me think not everyone on the internet is a raging 12 year old spouting endless vulgarities
Yeah, it must be really annoying for the Rachel player to see his opponent take away the same amount of damage that he worked so hard for in just a single combo.
From what I've seen, I'd compare Rachel to Snake from Smash Bros. While she's obviously not as strong as Snake, she can set the opponent up for major damage, like Snake and his 'nades and mines.
DontEatTheReaper 1 year ago
I hate tiers lists. They ruin everything. >__> who honestly cares?
dscroxton84 1 year ago
@TomTom6055 720 is the grab distortion drive that deals 5600 health. Feel free to look up dustloop or blazblue.com for some aid with this match-up. Both Tager and Rachel are low on the Overall match-up data.
teepofoulu 1 year ago
Yo, this is the COMMENT section, not the ESSAY section. No one wants to read your fucking thesis on Blazblue.
TQCKyle 1 year ago
Sorry, but that was a good Rachel and she deserved that match. To hell with Tager's Atomic Collider and Distortion. People abuse it so hard.
Courvossier123 1 year ago
@CrimsonMoonM
You're right, but what is the main point of a videogame? I guess is to entertain, or it was in the old Mario school days...
So, instead of making tiers mean a lot, why not play for fun?
Perhaps you may end winning a tournament with a so-called bad character in a fighting game just like Rachel or Carl. Just sayin' ;)
I play for fun.
Let's finish the debate on youtube here.
Also thanks for uploading these videos man!!!
I'm learning a lot from them.
Greetings from Mexico.
squallgallardo 1 year ago 2
@squallgallardo I'm just saying that tiers do matter and doesn't change no matter who plays them since tier-lists are based on overall matchups and in some cases, frame data.
But I'll finish by saying that unless you're trying to play in tournaments or whatnot,
you should just pick who you're comfortable with.
(jeez, sounds like I'm trying to be some wannabe pro or something...)
CrimsonMoonM 1 year ago
All characters can be low tier or high tier depending on the user....
This proves that Matsu is one of the best Rachel's around, and because most of the people went through that "low-tier" bull, there is not much Rachel players around.
Tiers are for assholes....¬¬
Just play for fun dammit!!!!!
squallgallardo 1 year ago
@squallgallardo Look at how much Rachel has to work for her damage, yet pretty much any character can do the same in one-two combos.
Besides, today's tier-lists are based on overall matchups against certain characters,
and look at Rachel, she barely has any wins over anyone than herself, that's a balance flaw. Still, i agree, find a character you like and just use it,
don't take tier-lists so seriously and just enjoy the game (says the guy who can't bear to main any character over high-mid tier)
CrimsonMoonM 1 year ago
@CrimsonMoonM LOL Yeah, for example I know I suck with Bang, but I can really main Ragna and Hazama. Rachel is fun to use, as Carl.....Hell, I even play better Arakune than Bang, just hate doing combos with him (no harm intended to Bang users, I respect all of you).
squallgallardo 1 year ago
@squallgallardo Take Dan as a example, he was made shit-tier on purpose,
yet, a skilled player can win with him, does that make his shit-tier status a lie?
No. it is proven that overall, all other characters just got too many advantages over him. This is a fact for Rachel too, she is bad, that doesn't mean a skilled player can't win with her, but that doesn't make her disadvantage against the rest of the cast any less true.
CrimsonMoonM 1 year ago
You know how they can balance tager, no more grabbing. That attack takes like half your life. Or at least nerf it by half or more.
TomTom6055 1 year ago
@TomTom6055 Lol
Sheesh, you need to go take a look at Potempkin (he is by far better and stronger than Tager) 720 cannot be combo'ed or you can tech it, if you didn't tech it it is your fault. With regaurds to pretty much everyone else but rachel, They can do just as much or more damage with 50 Heat as his throw. Half the damage and his normal command throws hit harder and can be combo'ed from not to mention puts the person into Gadget finger wake-up game.
teepofoulu 1 year ago
@teepofoulu Keep in mind I am a little biased for a Rachel because come on. Look what they did to her T.T I got Cs yesterday and I am tring to main her and well... I cant really combo with her. TT.TT But Im trying. And whats 720, I dont know these number thingys
Also happy almost Holiday!!! :D
TomTom6055 1 year ago
That first match was depressing. Rachel was so close to winning.
Kyujib 1 year ago
Rachel vs Tager is so unfair, as a Rachel mainer I always get pissed off whenever I fight Tager. He sledges through everything I have and there's nothing I can do when he's pounding away at me with his gigantic fists >:(
BuffySlayer6001 1 year ago
I HATE TAGERS!!!!!!!!!! they take to much damage D:
MITSUOMI91 1 year ago
having a rachel main i thought that CS would have to force me to change my main but as far as i know her lighting got weakened and the frog well just walks but zaps almost instantly but as far as everything appears i may not have to change cause when i use rachel i rarely use her lighting attack the dd, a ones. i more or less russ the hell out my oppenent and use her physical attacks...and it works. so unless they weakend those as well i really dont see anything changing
TheDeathWombat 1 year ago
I hope they buff Rachel a little bit.. I'm still going to main Rachel even if she is lowest tier. :(
Dizzy35373 2 years ago
I know it's old but I don't think that's Matsu. I think it's Eiyu(or Whatever).
Blackzero123 2 years ago
@Blackzero123
that is matsu. The last hieroglyph, that looks like smile a bit means it is matsu.
Though i dont know japanese, so anyone is welcome to prove me wrong ^^
Meph1STofellL 2 years ago
That "hieroglyph" (called katakana =P) is tsu, and the one before it is ma. You are correct, it is Matsu.
kuromatsuri 2 years ago
Her damage is just so low. All that work and only 1/3 of Tager's HP. Tager just smacked her twice and took out almost half. o_O
underwatercookie 2 years ago
That Rachel is insane.
pspboy7 2 years ago
Yumura u used to be super awesome what happened? Seriously He was so much more amusing in CT now he seems more slow to act.
ManowarHeigou 2 years ago
Maybe he's not used to this
new-and-improved Tager?
CrimsonMoonM 2 years ago
tager is mid mid according to alot of tier lists or low mid hes been made exceptable atleast.
ManowarHeigou 2 years ago
all of that work for nothing i hate tager so much it's like one wrong move against him and you're done
lime0093 2 years ago 5
That mostly goes only for Rachel,
but Tager has indeed become a lot better.
CrimsonMoonM 2 years ago
Rachel mains matsu =o
Tomoya789 2 years ago
Rachel is becoming better and better as the game goes on. Plus honestly Matsu pretty much had Yumura in the first round but I think was too scared to take a combo,barrier bursted, and tried to have time run out and win the round but it ended up screwing him over. You still have to give all these players credit since pretty much all their matches are also their practice time since the console version isn't out yet. So kudos for both of them for learning as they play.
JapanguyGM2500 2 years ago 5
@JapanguyGM2500 I love seeing educated comments such as yours, it makes me think not everyone on the internet is a raging 12 year old spouting endless vulgarities
BoneBeastKimimaro 1 year ago
@BoneBeastKimimaro
XD Why Thank you.
JapanguyGM2500 1 year ago
@JapanguyGM2500 Are you kidding me? Rachel is WORSE in this game. Matsu is just a beast but Rachel went from top 3 to bottom tier.
Str8Murder 1 year ago
Rachel is Matsu, Tager is Yumura.
Chawonka 2 years ago
Lol! Tager can still take off half the health with a single combo.
shadow2bolt 2 years ago
Yeah, it must be really annoying for the Rachel player to see his opponent take away the same amount of damage that he worked so hard for in just a single combo.
CrimsonMoonM 2 years ago