You do realise its more fun being an athiest. Just look at all the athiest commedy youtube videos out there. Look at Edwardcurrent, darkmatter2525,Christopher Hitchens, Nonstampcollector, etc.
shes talking to the world alright with her 977 views lol. and that voice you hear in your head is not god, its just a voice, and you might want to seek help.
Cheers to you, Dear. We've more in common than I'm afraid I could convey for you here. It's always a wonderful thing to be reminded that there are indeed many people like you who still adhere to the obvious truth regardless of the seemingly constant and overwhelming presence of filth and suffering; let alone all these blindly unhappy people assaulting you with theirs. I know very well how discouraging it is. Don't give up on yourself, or those very people for that matter. Again, God bless you.
While we're on opposite sides when it comes to belief in a deity, I'm glad I came across some of your videos (thanks initially to a mirror by dprjones) -- from what I've seen, you represent much of the best aspects of such belief. Hope all is well with you; and by all means keep speaking your mind. The free interchange of views only makes us ALL stronger....
@yington you are wrong my friend. God is a beautiful thing! some people choose to live life in God's path. Others will choose to take the wrong path and life a life according the way they want to, not the way God wants us to. if you want to hate me, go ahead, but remember, i love you and every other person on this planet.
@bulldogfanmsu You love everyone ? Yet you defend the idea of so many of them being tortured for eternity, in inifinite agony, FOREVER, for innocently believing a different philosophy of life ! How dare you claim to love someone on one hand, when on the other hand you will defend them being sent to *eternal hell* if they die believing something different than you. The concept of eternal torture is by far the most grotesque, abhorrent and unjust idea that mankind has ever constructed. Disgusting.
@yington so what your trying to say is that you want me to hate you just because your an atheist? you see that makes no sense. that makes me judgemental. and i am not that. i love everybody because we are all humans. we are one! one nation under God! and if people choose to go to hell, so be it. let that be their decision. its not my decision. i made the decision to believe in God and i have seen amazing opportunities doing so. so you make the decision, Heaven or hell
@bulldogfanmsu People don't "choose" to go to hell, what is wrong with you. According to your sick beliefs, God casts people into eternal torture if they happen to innocently believe something different from Christianity. You defend the concept of someone being *eternally* tortured in infinite agony, and you then claim to love them! Tell me - do you defend the idea of a non-Christian being tortured for eternity after they die ? If so, you are a foul human being.
@yington so why do you think its wrong for people to go to hell? people that are going to Heaven have earned there right. they have totally devoted their life to Jesus! if everybody were to go to Heaven, life would be too simple. God puts sin in our life to test us.. to see if we are totally capable and worthy enough to live an eternal life with Him. I am strong with the faith. I have earned my way being accepted into Heaven. maybe you will finally wake up and realize that He is there
@bulldogfanmsu ""so why do you think its wrong for people to go to hell?"" what? Are you serious? Probably because I am against torture, let alone the idea of *eternal* torture, where people are writhing around in infinite agony, where it will never end, being tortured in a barbaric way forever. Eternal hell is the most barbaric, perverted, disgusting, grotesque, evil thing that mankind has ever conceived, and you are on here defending that millions suffer this fate. You are sick in the head.
@bulldogfanmsu ""if everybody were to go to Heaven, life would be too simple"" Oh so if someone doesn't go to heaven, then they have to be tortured for eternity? You are an atrocious human being. There is no worse thing for you to defend, nothing mankind has ever done on earth is worse than eternal torture, and here you are saying that it is the right thing to happen to millions of people, for innocently believing the wrong thing in life. You are a foul person. You make me sick.
@yington you know what. believe what you wanna believe.. i believe that its their damn on fault they chose to not to believe and have faith in God. it is simple!!!!!!!! thats all you have to do! if everybody were to go to Heaven, there would be no point in life. thats like giving out a test and giving everybody a 100! you have to earn that 100! you have earn your way to get into Heaven. like God is going to let someone like Osama Bin Laden in to Heaven. USE YOUR BRAIN
@bulldogfanmsu You believe that every single person who believes something different from you, i.e. Christianity, should be tortured for eternity. So a nice lady, who was kind to someone all her life, but wasn't a Christian, should be *tortured in infinite agony for eternity*, you think that this is just, this is what she deserves. You're fuckin dispicable, there's no greater crime to try and justify, nothing more barbaric, and evil.
@yington lets put it this way. your a moron. i win. God is real. believe your little belief of God not existing. i tried to help you, but it seems you want to be hard headed. you know what, God just blessed my family with another miracle. the irs said my mom owed 11,000 dollars. guess how much she owes now...0. thats God's grace. not coincidence. i'm done talking to you. i wanted to help you. but you still refuse to listen to me. i wish the best for your life, but right now, it doesnt look good
@bulldogfanmsu You're not only a disgusting, foul human being because you believe that people who think different to you should be tortured for eternity, you also reveal your incredibly thick and hollow mind with the following comment : "lets put it this way, your a moron". That's as far as your argument can go. But then anyone who believes that people who think different to them should be tortured for eternity in brutal agony, can hardly possess the remotest bit of intellect.
@bulldogfanmsu It's nothing to do with "everyone going to heaven". It's the fact that millions upon millions have to be tortured in hell. There's no justification for this, that people should be tortured in unbareable agony for eternity for believing the wrong thing. It's worse than anyone defending the concentration camps for the Jews by the Nazis. You're a repellent person, as you believe that it is just for millions to be tortured. There's no other way to describe you. You make me sick.
@yington well they wouldnt have to be tortured if they would have believed in Jesus Christ... oh and stop saying "you make me sick." your not a bad a** for saying it so just stop. and listen to yourself "oh my gosh people shouldnt have to be tortured in hell for eternity!" blah blah blah omg you need to use your brain. thats like a person who has committed every crime shouldnt go to jail. life wouldnt be fair for people that have totally committed themselves to Christ and others who didnt were
@bulldogfanmsu fuck you, fuck your mother for not having an abortion when she first found out she was pregnant with you, take each of your index fingers stick one up your fathers ass and the other up your imaginary Jesus ass and tell them both to start spinning around!
You miserable and sorry excuse for a human being :-)
@yington well they wouldnt have to be tortured if they would have believed in Jesus Christ... oh and stop saying "you make me sick." your not a bad a** for saying it so just stop. and listen to yourself "oh my gosh people shouldnt have to be tortured in hell for eternity!" blah blah blah omg you need to use your brain. thats like a person who has committed every crime shouldnt go to jail. life wouldnt be fair for people that have totally committed themselves to Christ and others who didnt were
@bulldogfanmsu able to still go to Heaven. wow man up and realize the reality.. you cant always get what you want. you have to earn it by accepting Christ into your heart
@bulldogfanmsu Is that seriously your argument. "Well they wouldn't have to be tortured if they believed in Jesus"...you're more ill than I imagined. So we should say to those jailed and executed in Nazi Germany for believing something different from the regime, that it's their fault, they should have just believed in Hitler? You're a fuckin moron, i'm embarassed to be in conversation with someone not just sick in the head, but lacking any intellect whatsoever. Bye.
@yington you weakling. satin has conceived you so easily. i on the other hand have been strong with the faith and have shut him out of my life. of course we all sin but thats why Jesus died for us.. to forgive our sins because it is a natural thing for everybody. and by the way, i wasnt talking about the jews being tortured, i was talking about the people going to hell. there you go, once again not using your brain God gave you. argue with me all day. i dont care. i will have another comeback
great videos, let us not be like the trolls & haters. I know it's hard but everloving kindness is much better than a militant hate attitude any day. No person I've ever saw that lived to be 100 or more has ever been full of hate, nor have they smoked, drank, or did drugs. (ok there was George Burns) We have the potential to live long but many aren't because of their mind, body & spirit.
@TheCrusader1000 I don't use computers much, but that strikes me as a fantastic idea. Christian, atheist, liberal, conservative, whatever. We deserve freedom of speech. So why doesn't YouTube just fix the problem? At the very least, it should be investigating people's channels before they get shut down. I know none of the channels I know that have been shut down have done nothing to warrant these DMCAs
Are you really that fucking stupid? GEERUP IS SOO SMART. If you had a 1/4 of a fucking brain you would look up his nonsense and understand where he fails fucking hard. No, not examples of your lord, mindless zealots is what you guys are. I am at peace with being an atheist/humanist. We control our own lives and we can only dictate what we do with this life. Grow up.
Why do you try to compliment GOD for what YOU are? Why is it that you wish people to see GOD in you?
What I see is a beautiful girl with a beautiful heart that doesn't dare to take credit for her own deeds. I don't see god's goodness through you, I see YOUR goodness.
Don't take this the wrong way, but I couldn't care less about God. I don't want to get to know god. It's YOU who I love and YOU who I would like to get know better! YOU are a good girl and you should be PROUD of YOURSELF.
Your strength is your own. It comes from you. I wish you saw how valuable you are as an individual. I wish you wouldn't devalue yourself by reducing your life to a mission to serve someone else. You are better than that. You are too important for that.
@PluralOfEverything its not my own..you have to remember that i dedicate my life to service to the living god..if i was worshiping my self or any other thing i would feel empty inside..why cant you see the good in this?im not serving a person im serving god..its what gives meaning and reason to my life
@godinventedmusic You don't have to worship anything or anybody. I can't see the good in dedicating your life to a lie, and I hate to see so much potential wasted. I don't worship anything, and I don't feel at all empty inside. You are only serving yourself by believing something simply for the sake of not feeling empty. You hold on to it out of fear.
I've just been listening to mysticalforest's logic for why god exists and to his rant about atheists coming from monkeys. I wouldn't miss that for the world. It gives me a picture of how some people think (apparently many people in the USA think that way). It alerts me as to what a lack of education or a stunted education can do to a child's unformed mind and cripple it forever. It makes me start thinking what should be done to prevent this.
Your simple heartfelt words were more powerful than anything I have ever heard on this venue.
Thank you GIM. You are truly the scent of Christ. Your gently spoken wisdom cuts through the most callous and cynical of hearts, starting with my own.
The AtheistAntidote and Geerup are NOT the people who I'd want defending me or anything I held dear. Following those lying, plagiarize, unoriginal pieces of trash anywhere says a LOT about your intelligence and i'm pretty sure you won't have to worry about getting false DMCAd because of it.
Having said that, the people who are filing false DMCAs against them are worse than the people they false DMCA in my book.
I've only just subscribed, and I'm looking forward to hearing more of what you have to say. Adversity hinders a lot of good people from doing the good in the world that they can and should be doing. Glad to hear that you plan to continue to make this a brighter place.
You're a nice person and I know you mean very well, but it's pretty damn offensive to tell someone who doesn't believe in god that you're praying for them.
Also, on a different note, I can't see how there's a fight to be kept going. It seems to me that it's more like an argument that one side can't win but refuses stop trying to. What you should focus on for your cause is coming up with a single valid point rather than an army of pointless statements.
Oh my! Someone might get offended if u tell them u are praying 4 them Well I am praying for u Hmm..u know, I now am offended by u suggesting not to tell folds I'm praying 4 them Now what?? I know. Let me be offended. Every time someone does or says anything, expresses an opinion, or has a belief someone will be offended. SO WHAT!! People need to grow up. Thank God for their 1st amendment rights Talk to someone from China or Russia then stop being so easily offended!!
@kingdmculture I was letting her know in case she cared about offending people, I don't care if you pray for me or not, but not listening to anything I have to say then asking your imaginary friend to forgive me is a true sign of proud idiocy. Also, if you're gonna thank anyone for the first amendment thank secularists like Thomas Jefferson for putting it in the constitution, along with the seperation of church and state. Imbecile.
@ilikenoodles1 Congress can't make a law respecting or prohibiting the practice of a religion. They also can't make laws that violate the freedom of speech, of the press and have to allow people to peaceably assemble or petition to change a law.
@hobodoctor I was just wondering why you mentioned it, but I think I see what you were talking about. It seems kinda pointless to claim the 1st amendment as a victory for secularists solely because it was written by men who were mostly secularists and deists, not Christians. After all, it does protect the rights of religions all throughout America, as you just said.
@ilikenoodles1 And you're right, it would be pointless to claim it a victory for secularism. The reason I brought it up was because someone else said that we should thank God that we have the first amendment while places like Russia don't, and I said that the first amendment was made by men and is in fact a very secular addition to the constitution.
@hobodoctor I guess that's just something we Christians do. Sure, The Fathers wrote it, but at the same time, we Christians believe their astounding intellect was not self-made. They were given the ability to learn by God, and cultivated that intelligence like few men ever have. So we thank God for giving us tools of justice like the great men the Founding Fathers were, while respecting the Fathers. After all, they were the ones who used their gifts to their fullest extent.
@ilikenoodles1 The way I see it, the founding fathers weren't intelligent because of a gift but because they dedicated their life to studying everything they could. Too often I see christians talk about incredible athletes, astoundingly smart minds, and notable talents of all kinds as if they were given a gift or a handout. The way I see it, they all work extremely hard to get where they are and to suggest that any of it wasn't gruelingly earned despite huge challenges.
@hobodoctor We know full well the work that people put into their success. Many of those successful people ARE Christians. But to suggest that it was purely THEIR hard work to get there is absurd. Some of that is based on genetics. A more athletic pair of parents will result in a child destined to do better in sports than others. It's the same with intelligence. You can argue that it is a gift or you can't. Christians do. But that ability comes from somewhere OUTSIDE that person.
@ilikenoodles1 Granted, but there are so many fields that people excel in that have have no notable genetic merit like writing, performing, and being a major reformist. Even then, how can the distinguished successes of Christians and non-Christians alike be attributed to God? It would seem as if God is doing everything he can to make it seem as if talent and success is random among different faiths and demographics.
@hobodoctor First, I don't know a whole lot about genetics or brain functions, but I would think things like creativity can be partially genetic. Either way, things we consider to be gifts from God can go deeper than basic genetics. Gifts and blessings can be as varied a anywhere from genes to experiences to, for lack of a better way of wording it, the way you are, such as creativity, if it does indeed have no basis in genealogy.
@hobodoctor As for God stealing all of our credit, I don't really see anyone being upstaged. Martin Luther King Jr is given credit for the civil rights movement. The abolitionists are given credit for ending American slavery. Charles Darwin is given credit for spreading the theory of evolution. Denzel Washington is given credit for being a great actor. Interestingly enough, just to rub it in, they're all Christians :)
@ilikenoodles1 Well, MLK was given credit for making a few notable speeches, the people who actually organized and ran the movement were nearly all secularists, Abraham Lincoln was even persecuted and hated for being as irreligious as he was, Einstein, Hawkins, and every other significant scientific mind in the last 50 years has been atheist, and Brad Pitt is an even better actor and an atheist. It just doesn't make sense that god would bless people he'll later send to hell.
@hobodoctor Like I said, I was just trying to rub their Christianity in. The point was that the people I named were given gifts, and they worked with them to better the world. The men you just named did the same thing, whether they attribute that to God, genetics, luck, any combination of them, or none at all. I can't prove the existence of God, I just wanted to let you know that people who do something special with their lives aren't taken for granted by Christianity.
@ilikenoodles1 The point I was trying to make was that genetics only affects certain traits and some people are great at things despite a genetic disadvantage. There's nothing to suggest that successful people are given anything they don't work for, and the success of people seems to be random in terms of religion, genetic make up, or any other non-controlable background. And I still think the concept of being gifted undermines people, especially those who work against a disadvantage.
@hobodoctor Let me try an analogy. I said earlier that we view succesful people as instruments of God. Suppose we equate God with a carpenter, and successful men and women as His tools: hammer, screwdriver, saw, etc. Do we look down on the hammer, screwdriver, or saw, just because it was made to do its job? Of course not. We're thankful it's there. Without that tool, the job would remain unfinished.
@ilikenoodles1 But you have to have SOME reason to think that. Why would God use tools that don't suit his purposes to build something he doesn't want? Why would God bless actors who proudly say he doesn't exist? Why would God bless people who lead lives he'll later burn them for with happiness and success? Why would God bless so many people with incredible intelligence when they do nothing but argue against his existence?
@hobodoctor Because He doesn't think that forcing us to love Him is worth anything at all. It's more important to Him to give us free will, and the ability to love, rather than to just make us. Would you get any pleasure out of making someone say they love you? Or acting in a way that they love you with their own free will? I think most people would say the latter.
@ilikenoodles1 The notion that God loves us all is common now, but there's nearly nothing to suggest that in the Bible; it's filled with orders of genocide, cursed innocents, and threats of damnation. Where are the Caaninites?
It wouldn't be force, it'd be incentive to love him. If Christians were more talented, luckier, or happier than others I'd be much more inclined to worship God, but it seems like he's going out of his way to make everything random and as if he doesn't exist at all.
@hobodoctor There is a big difference between God's behavior in the Old and New Testaments. I don't pretend to understand why the change occured, I can only guess. But in the New Testament, in the Gospels and later in the apostle's teachings, the idea that Jesus came to save everyone is reinforced beyond belief. Though the Jews were the "chosen people" before Jesus, now that calling is open to all of us. In fact, I think the word Catholic, in greek, means "universal."
@hobodoctor But we are happier. Believing in God brings meaning to our lives. I don't mean to say that atheists and non-Christians aren't happy. But belief gives us infinitely more than a basic pursuit of happiness. We look forward to seeing those we loved again, and knowing that after death, all is not lost. As for the randomness... well, I don't know that either.
@ilikenoodles1 I'm very happy with my life and beliefs, but honestly, I'd be even happier if I thought there was a loving, caring god looking out for me and offering me an eternal life of bliss, but I have to be honest with myself. I learn everything I can and refuse to believe something because it would make me feel better about the world or myself. And the truth is that nothing I've learned suggests there's a god and everything suggests there isn't.
@hobodoctor We don't believe because it makes us happy, but because it makes sense to us. Lucky for us, because we believe, we are happy.
But this I guess is where you and I draw our differences. I look at the world and I see some kind of greater design, and you... I assume you see chance and random occurences?
@ilikenoodles1 That's exactly my point. Not one scientific theory suggests the world came to be through "chance or random occurences". Christianity doesn't make sense, it just makes more sense when people make no effort to understand science. They're satisfied with someone who doesn't understand something invalidly dismissing it because they already know what answer they want to hear, instead of believing what reason and evidence suggests.
@ilikenoodles1 Needless to say the history of the universe takes longer than 500 characters to explain, so which part is it you want to hear my thoughts on?
@hobodoctor Haha I mean like creation and things like that. How things came to be, I guess. I mean, I think you're saying it isn't all a result of chance, but how else would it all come about if not by chance?
@ilikenoodles1 Gravity formed the sun and planets from cosmic clouds and nuclear force made fusion which lit the sun. Certain chemicals are more likely to bond because of their atomic number so eventually more and more specific complex chemical compounds were formed eventually leading to bacteria. Through genetics, genes were passed from species to species and through "survival of the fittest" only the benefitial mutations were passed.
@ilikenoodles1 So you see, it's not random at all. It's free occurences that were limited by forces like gravity, nuclear force, and magnetism that through processes like abiogenesis, evolution, plate tectonics, and so many many others lead very specifically to the world we see. Furthermore, all of them are observable and nearly all of them are even demonstratable.
@hobodoctor To me, that's pretty random. There's no intelligence behind it. And anyways, like I said, this is where we start to have major differences in our thinking. I believe in a god, you believe in what you can see.
@ilikenoodles1 It's not random at all. Just because there's no intelligence behind it doesn't mean that it doesn't work towards a specific result. And I don't only believe in thing I can see, I believe things I'm given a rational reason to believe in, and so far there's been no such reason from the argument for a god.
@hobodoctor I can understand that. Honestly, I don't have a rational reason myself. Many people claim to have had very personaly relations with God, but I have never had anything like that. I can only hope that will happen one day. I guess I just believe because it just makes sense to me. Probably not a very good reason, huh? :)
@ilikenoodles1 Irrational things don't make sense to sane people. Though I do respect your views, I would suggest that maybe the reason you're satisfied with your beliefs isn't because it makes sense, but because it makes you comfortable.
@hobodoctor Is it that irrational? I would say the idea of God is one of the most perfectly neutral ideas there are. Regarding physical proof, there is none proving the existance of God, but at the same time, there is not a shred of evidence to the contrary.
@ilikenoodles1 Well, for it to be neutral you have to have some reason to believe in it in the first place, but you're right, there's no shred of evidence against A god. There is, however, enormous evidence against the Christian god and the specific things he's said to have done which have been repeatedly disproven.
@hobodoctor No, for it to be neutral, there shouldn't be evidence for of against it, or perfectly balanced for and against it, which I'm not too sure if that exists. In this case, there isn't any evidence either way, which I believe makes it neutral
@ilikenoodles1 God is something that every single law of science and nature says can't exist, every historical study suggests is as fake as the thousands of other gods, who made the earth in a way that every aspect of geologyand astronomy say isn't what happened, and made life in a way incostant with every aspect of evolution and genetics.
@ilikenoodles1 For something to be neutral, it has to be rationally possible that it does or does not exist, like aliens on a distant planet or someting. God, on the other hand, has everything against it and merely gets of on the fact that it's impossible to prove something's inexistance. I can't prove God doesn't exist, but I have a massive amount of evidence that suggests he doesn't. You can't prove he does exist, but you only have wishful thinking to suggest he does. That's not neutral.
@hobodoctor And what is this evidence that suggests He can't exist? He is not a physical being, and therefore has no interaction with any part of the physical world. You may think it's very convenient of us to say that, but that's what we believe. There is NO evidence to either side of it.
@ilikenoodles1 Okay, but does this non-physical being not have physical interactions with the world? Does he not talk to people, build things, destroy things, make things appear, observe the world, strike people with diseases, and impregnate people?
@hobodoctor Well we believe that that is God's soing (except for destruction and disease, at least nowadays), but as I'm sure we can both agree, there is still no proof to that.
@ilikenoodles1 There's no proof because it's impossible for a non-physical being to interact with and observe a physical world. Furthermore, if ANY of the colossal miracles in the Old Testament had taken place they would have left tons and tons of evidence, yet every single shred of evidence we've ever found points to non-Biblical origins. I mean, how old do you think the world really is?
@hobodoctor Unfortunately, a lot of people, Christians and atheists alike, don't realize that much of the New Testament, especially the beginning, is not meant to be taken literally. Many are taken in the wrong context. For example, many believe that the creation story is not meant to be a story of HOW the world was created, but WHO created it, and WHY. As for the age of the earth, I am an evolutionist. I believe the earth is... What is it, four or five billion years?
@ilikenoodles1 How do you know it isn't meant to be taken literally? And isn't it a bit odd how no one considered thinking of it metaphorically until after Genesis was disproven? Furthermore, how do you know what's literal and what's figurative?
@hobodoctor All the greatest books throughout history haven't been straight-up nonfiction. Books with real meaning, literature that lasts, is either fiction, or some kind of historical fiction. It needs some kind of human element that really is rarely seen in pure nonfiction. Besides, I will admit that interpretation of the Bible has changed over the years. But so has science. Science, much like faith, is constantly adapting to new information, and new methods of thinking.
@ilikenoodles1 We only view them as fiction because they were based on untrue beliefs, but that doesn't mean the epic of Gilgamesh or the Odyssey were supposed to abstract in any way. The books that lasted were books like the Illiad, the Prose Edda, Hesiod's Theogany, Beowulf, the Shahnameh, the Kalevala, and so on, and to the people who wrote and recited them they were historical facts.
@hobodoctor I would say that the writers of the books of the Bible knew that, and incorporated elements of the overly-supernatural, as the others had, whether they believed them or not. Almost like a marketing stunt, I guess? In any case, as I've hinted at a few times before, the New Testament is what is most important. The New Testament includes codes of behavior for ALL of us, not just the "chosen" race, the Jews.
@ilikenoodles1 Also, science can adapt to any new information because it doesn't have any fundemental beliefs. How can Christianity adapt to the disproval of the existence of Jesus for example? Lastly, how do you know what to interpret as fact? Is hell abstract too? What about heaven? Maybe Jesus and his miracles were abstract too. Maybe the whole book is fictional.
@hobodoctor IF Jesus' existence and miracles were disproven, then Christianity would probably continue to teach His message, because it does still make a lot of sense, treating everyone as you would want to be treated, etc. But I think it's irrelevant. Something happening that long ago, at a time when there was so little record keeping, the existence of Jesus (especially His miracles), like the existance of God, cannot be fully proven in either direction.
@ilikenoodles1 Who says good records weren't kept? There were actually great records kept, especially in that area of the world. There isn't a single record of Jesus, the miracle doing son of God, having ever existed, or there even having been Jewish slaves in Egypt as claimed in the Old Testament, but there's thousands from all sorts of sources about Alexandar the Great from 300 years after Jesus and Cyrus the Great 600 years before Jesus all in the same area.
@hobodoctor But there ARE records of Jesus. Now that you mentioned it, I looked it up, and there's a LOT of references to Jesus, not necesarily as the Christ, but definitely as a well-known man for his time. And they do reference him doing SOMETHING out of the ordinary. Now I wouldn't count this as proof of His divinity by any means, but he wasn't any normal human.
@ilikenoodles1 Another thing I don't understand is if Jesus is proven to not have been the son of God or have existed, why would his teachings matter? If they don't have any divine weight to them, why are they better than anyone elses morals? I mean, modern law is profoundly more moral than Jesus was, who preached slaughtering disbelievers and disobedient children, and whose good teachings (the golden rule) existed and was taught long before him.
@hobodoctor He never preached slaughter, ever. True, that was in the Old Testament, but like I said, that can't always be taken at its word. As for His actual teachings, you say they're no better than anyone else's, but they are. I'm a moral objectivist, but there's reason behind it. Jesus' teachings are the perfect roadmap for humanity.
@ilikenoodles1 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."?
"And he shall rule them with a rod of iron" was probably referring to the other Jesus.
He was just joking when criticizing the Jews for not killing their children: "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'"
@hobodoctor It's surely a matter of interpretation, and you can take it as you want. But I see the sword and the iron rod as His rules for us, describing the life to come as a tough one. Living as a good, kind, loving person is not always easy. In fact, it can be pretty damn hard. Also, it could be that He knew the turbulence it would cause, whether persecution by the Romans, or the Inquisition. As for the children, He was pointing out how the Pharisees follow some rules, but not others
@hobodoctor Allow me to elaborate on that last. In Matthew 15: 1-20, the Pharisees and scribes ask Jesus why His disciples do not wash their hands before they eat; that is breaking "the traditions of the elders." He replies by pointing out that they do not stone disobedient children, which is also apparently in accordance with the Law. Obviously, that was another section of the Old Testament that is deeply flawed.
@ilikenoodles1 The fact of the matter is that the morals we have in our modern society aren't because of the Bible but despite it. There are so many things in both the old and new testaments that call for slaughter, slavery, and so on that are constantly overlooked and ignored that people forget this. The law is the perfect roadmap for humanity because it has nothing to gain, it has the input of everyone, and is free to change with culture and doesn't get stuck in the bronze age.
@hobodoctor Despite it? Despite the Old Testament, perhaps, but the New Testament, again, advocates NONE of the sort. In fact, the law is based on it. True, as the Founding Fathers said, as they should have, the US is "not a Christian nation." They were right, we are not. Rather, we are a nation founded on Christian principles that advocates for complete freedom of religion. Our laws are in accordance with the teachings of Jesus
@ilikenoodles1 No, our laws in accordance with basic principles of empathy, some of which Jesus supposedly advocated, and most of which others did well before and well after Jesus in all parts of the world. Jesus even says in the Bible, which I've read, that he totally agrees with the Old Testament. I don't see how "Think not that I come to send peace" is up for interpretion, the Crusaders clearly interpreted the Bible as empirialistic.
@hobodoctor Nowhere in the Bible does it advocate freedom of speech, press, religion, gun ownership, or voting for representatives, nor protention from quartering, the right to a speedy trial, or the right to a trial by peers. In fact, I challenge you to find support for any of the amendments in the Constitution anywhere in the Bible.
@ilikenoodles1 And if it matters, I look at the world in wonder and awe of the power and strength of nature. What do you think of the greater design when millions of innocent people die and more are left starving and homeless each year in natural disasters?
@hobodoctor Furthermore, there plenty who are blessed, but don't use their gifts. For example, standardized tests show that I am a very intelligent kid, but grades show a mediocre student at best. Why? Because I don't try, I don't study. I haven't used the gifts I've been given, and for that reason, I don't get credit for it. And I shouldn't, either. Regardless of what God has done for me, I haven't done much with it. Sorry for three comments, I hate this character limit
@hobodoctor Well my friend if you are naive enough to believe that it was secular values that set the principals for the constitution then you are naive to believe that your rights come from men. Yes, you believe that your right are from the state. If so then they can be taken from you by mere fallible men. (just bags of chemicals really) according to your fantasy you claim to be scientific. If from God than no man can take them from you.
@kingdmculture I believe the constituion has secular values because secular people wrote it to have secular principles, what's your logic in thinking your god's the cause? My rights are from the same, they did come from infallible men, and they can be taken away from me.
If our rights were divine then we wouldn't need to make laws establishing them. Look at a country like Iran or North Korea and tell me rights come from your genocidal, egomaniacal cretin of a god.
Thumbs up from an Atheist... a small protest against false flagging and false DMCAed.
PS
Many Atheists have also been talking about leaving YT because of false flagging/DMCAing is so easy. All it takes is one Troll to take down a channel that many other 100s or 1000s like.
I'm really glad to hear from you (This Video) Since I have left several messages and haven't heard back, I have also been greatly concerned, because I know that this situation has been very upsetting to you. I'm praying for you, and please remember, "In our weakness, his strength is made perfect" and in our darkest hour, he will shine the brightest.!! God Bless You sister, YBIC ~Lee
@mykidsdad36 sorry for not responding to your comments in the past..they have been a blessing and kind words of encouragement ..and i thank you for that
@godinventedmusic -No...... don't be sorry, thats fine, I was just getting real worried about you.I have just featured a support video on my channel also for Jesusfreek777 who's channel was also suspended for False DMCA'S, this is a much to common problem thats effecting everyone, and it's one of the main reasons I've never made video ( I do all my contact - through comments and PM's for this very reason) God Bless, ~Lee
Hey. I cannot the same;t say anything about God but in terms of social, you can try talking to shy people first? I used to be pretty shy; maybe not same as you though.
For the record, your vid wasn;t boring.
In terms of religions, I'm a taoist. Christ influenced me a bit. long story.
You do realise its more fun being an athiest. Just look at all the athiest commedy youtube videos out there. Look at Edwardcurrent, darkmatter2525,Christopher Hitchens, Nonstampcollector, etc.
angellicvoices 4 days ago
You should try Atheism, you'll be a lot happier.
warren52nz 2 months ago
shes talking to the world alright with her 977 views lol. and that voice you hear in your head is not god, its just a voice, and you might want to seek help.
jason423234 8 months ago
Exercise and clean living keeps me stronger
morklind 8 months ago
You seem pretty down here, so I hope you're feeling better!
-Random atheist.
Tzadeck 9 months ago
GEERUP...intelligent and knowledgeable, when did this fucking miracle take place?
He is the personification of a snake oil salesman...and I could easily see you have purchased a couple dozen cases of the worthless shit....
ThankYouMrAcavano 11 months ago
Oh yeah...I see him!
You're right I do see Jesus, he's standing behind your left shoulder eating some Ben & Jerry's Cherry Garcia ice cream!!!
Do you even bother to think about the words you say...before you actually say them?
ThankYouMrAcavano 11 months ago
Thankyou god, for making me
An atheist.
willstrawman123 1 year ago 8
Cheers to you, Dear. We've more in common than I'm afraid I could convey for you here. It's always a wonderful thing to be reminded that there are indeed many people like you who still adhere to the obvious truth regardless of the seemingly constant and overwhelming presence of filth and suffering; let alone all these blindly unhappy people assaulting you with theirs. I know very well how discouraging it is. Don't give up on yourself, or those very people for that matter. Again, God bless you.
IMatthewIMalkiorI 1 year ago
While we're on opposite sides when it comes to belief in a deity, I'm glad I came across some of your videos (thanks initially to a mirror by dprjones) -- from what I've seen, you represent much of the best aspects of such belief. Hope all is well with you; and by all means keep speaking your mind. The free interchange of views only makes us ALL stronger....
ishtarian 1 year ago
to godinventedmusic,
You say in the description :
""atheist and christian..you guys are the best and i love you! ""
That's nice.
It's a shame God isn't the same.
He sends Atheists to an eternal hell.
He is a barbaric creature.
yington 1 year ago
@yington you are wrong my friend. God is a beautiful thing! some people choose to live life in God's path. Others will choose to take the wrong path and life a life according the way they want to, not the way God wants us to. if you want to hate me, go ahead, but remember, i love you and every other person on this planet.
bulldogfanmsu 1 year ago
@bulldogfanmsu You love everyone ? Yet you defend the idea of so many of them being tortured for eternity, in inifinite agony, FOREVER, for innocently believing a different philosophy of life ! How dare you claim to love someone on one hand, when on the other hand you will defend them being sent to *eternal hell* if they die believing something different than you. The concept of eternal torture is by far the most grotesque, abhorrent and unjust idea that mankind has ever constructed. Disgusting.
yington 1 year ago
@yington so what your trying to say is that you want me to hate you just because your an atheist? you see that makes no sense. that makes me judgemental. and i am not that. i love everybody because we are all humans. we are one! one nation under God! and if people choose to go to hell, so be it. let that be their decision. its not my decision. i made the decision to believe in God and i have seen amazing opportunities doing so. so you make the decision, Heaven or hell
bulldogfanmsu 1 year ago
@bulldogfanmsu People don't "choose" to go to hell, what is wrong with you. According to your sick beliefs, God casts people into eternal torture if they happen to innocently believe something different from Christianity. You defend the concept of someone being *eternally* tortured in infinite agony, and you then claim to love them! Tell me - do you defend the idea of a non-Christian being tortured for eternity after they die ? If so, you are a foul human being.
yington 1 year ago 2
@yington so why do you think its wrong for people to go to hell? people that are going to Heaven have earned there right. they have totally devoted their life to Jesus! if everybody were to go to Heaven, life would be too simple. God puts sin in our life to test us.. to see if we are totally capable and worthy enough to live an eternal life with Him. I am strong with the faith. I have earned my way being accepted into Heaven. maybe you will finally wake up and realize that He is there
bulldogfanmsu 1 year ago
@bulldogfanmsu ""so why do you think its wrong for people to go to hell?"" what? Are you serious? Probably because I am against torture, let alone the idea of *eternal* torture, where people are writhing around in infinite agony, where it will never end, being tortured in a barbaric way forever. Eternal hell is the most barbaric, perverted, disgusting, grotesque, evil thing that mankind has ever conceived, and you are on here defending that millions suffer this fate. You are sick in the head.
yington 1 year ago
@bulldogfanmsu ""if everybody were to go to Heaven, life would be too simple"" Oh so if someone doesn't go to heaven, then they have to be tortured for eternity? You are an atrocious human being. There is no worse thing for you to defend, nothing mankind has ever done on earth is worse than eternal torture, and here you are saying that it is the right thing to happen to millions of people, for innocently believing the wrong thing in life. You are a foul person. You make me sick.
yington 1 year ago
@yington you know what. believe what you wanna believe.. i believe that its their damn on fault they chose to not to believe and have faith in God. it is simple!!!!!!!! thats all you have to do! if everybody were to go to Heaven, there would be no point in life. thats like giving out a test and giving everybody a 100! you have to earn that 100! you have earn your way to get into Heaven. like God is going to let someone like Osama Bin Laden in to Heaven. USE YOUR BRAIN
bulldogfanmsu 1 year ago
@bulldogfanmsu You believe that every single person who believes something different from you, i.e. Christianity, should be tortured for eternity. So a nice lady, who was kind to someone all her life, but wasn't a Christian, should be *tortured in infinite agony for eternity*, you think that this is just, this is what she deserves. You're fuckin dispicable, there's no greater crime to try and justify, nothing more barbaric, and evil.
yington 1 year ago
@yington lets put it this way. your a moron. i win. God is real. believe your little belief of God not existing. i tried to help you, but it seems you want to be hard headed. you know what, God just blessed my family with another miracle. the irs said my mom owed 11,000 dollars. guess how much she owes now...0. thats God's grace. not coincidence. i'm done talking to you. i wanted to help you. but you still refuse to listen to me. i wish the best for your life, but right now, it doesnt look good
bulldogfanmsu 1 year ago
@bulldogfanmsu You're not only a disgusting, foul human being because you believe that people who think different to you should be tortured for eternity, you also reveal your incredibly thick and hollow mind with the following comment : "lets put it this way, your a moron". That's as far as your argument can go. But then anyone who believes that people who think different to them should be tortured for eternity in brutal agony, can hardly possess the remotest bit of intellect.
yington 1 year ago
@yington ha i'm disgusting. so why do you think everyone should go to Heaven hmmm? tell me. i so want to know right now
bulldogfanmsu 1 year ago
@bulldogfanmsu It's nothing to do with "everyone going to heaven". It's the fact that millions upon millions have to be tortured in hell. There's no justification for this, that people should be tortured in unbareable agony for eternity for believing the wrong thing. It's worse than anyone defending the concentration camps for the Jews by the Nazis. You're a repellent person, as you believe that it is just for millions to be tortured. There's no other way to describe you. You make me sick.
yington 1 year ago
@yington well they wouldnt have to be tortured if they would have believed in Jesus Christ... oh and stop saying "you make me sick." your not a bad a** for saying it so just stop. and listen to yourself "oh my gosh people shouldnt have to be tortured in hell for eternity!" blah blah blah omg you need to use your brain. thats like a person who has committed every crime shouldnt go to jail. life wouldnt be fair for people that have totally committed themselves to Christ and others who didnt were
bulldogfanmsu 1 year ago
@bulldogfanmsu fuck you, fuck your mother for not having an abortion when she first found out she was pregnant with you, take each of your index fingers stick one up your fathers ass and the other up your imaginary Jesus ass and tell them both to start spinning around!
You miserable and sorry excuse for a human being :-)
ThankYouMrAcavano 11 months ago
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@yington well they wouldnt have to be tortured if they would have believed in Jesus Christ... oh and stop saying "you make me sick." your not a bad a** for saying it so just stop. and listen to yourself "oh my gosh people shouldnt have to be tortured in hell for eternity!" blah blah blah omg you need to use your brain. thats like a person who has committed every crime shouldnt go to jail. life wouldnt be fair for people that have totally committed themselves to Christ and others who didnt were
bulldogfanmsu 1 year ago
@bulldogfanmsu able to still go to Heaven. wow man up and realize the reality.. you cant always get what you want. you have to earn it by accepting Christ into your heart
bulldogfanmsu 1 year ago
@bulldogfanmsu Is that seriously your argument. "Well they wouldn't have to be tortured if they believed in Jesus"...you're more ill than I imagined. So we should say to those jailed and executed in Nazi Germany for believing something different from the regime, that it's their fault, they should have just believed in Hitler? You're a fuckin moron, i'm embarassed to be in conversation with someone not just sick in the head, but lacking any intellect whatsoever. Bye.
yington 1 year ago
@yington you weakling. satin has conceived you so easily. i on the other hand have been strong with the faith and have shut him out of my life. of course we all sin but thats why Jesus died for us.. to forgive our sins because it is a natural thing for everybody. and by the way, i wasnt talking about the jews being tortured, i was talking about the people going to hell. there you go, once again not using your brain God gave you. argue with me all day. i dont care. i will have another comeback
bulldogfanmsu 1 year ago
great videos, let us not be like the trolls & haters. I know it's hard but everloving kindness is much better than a militant hate attitude any day. No person I've ever saw that lived to be 100 or more has ever been full of hate, nor have they smoked, drank, or did drugs. (ok there was George Burns) We have the potential to live long but many aren't because of their mind, body & spirit.
MrAubery 1 year ago
@godinventedmusic
God is real?
Short answer, No.
There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.
You don't need to bow down to this Christian God, God in your bible is a horrible deity, :(
Break free from the chains that hold you down, :)
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan (1934-1996)
bartonstaleter 1 year ago
G-d bless and nice to see you back.
Is there any way you can ask Youtube to trace the sender of the original DCMA as in finding out who it was?
Sock account's can be a pain to trace but I think YT have a better chance to do that because they would have the account's user IP, just a idea.
G-d bless <3
TheCrusader1000 1 year ago
@TheCrusader1000 I don't use computers much, but that strikes me as a fantastic idea. Christian, atheist, liberal, conservative, whatever. We deserve freedom of speech. So why doesn't YouTube just fix the problem? At the very least, it should be investigating people's channels before they get shut down. I know none of the channels I know that have been shut down have done nothing to warrant these DMCAs
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
Hey girl, keep doing what your doing. You have my support. :)
God bless woman of christ.
vfIskullangel 1 year ago
Are you really that fucking stupid? GEERUP IS SOO SMART. If you had a 1/4 of a fucking brain you would look up his nonsense and understand where he fails fucking hard. No, not examples of your lord, mindless zealots is what you guys are. I am at peace with being an atheist/humanist. We control our own lives and we can only dictate what we do with this life. Grow up.
MilitantAtheistAhole 1 year ago
Hey! Hows my favorite Christian! I hope you are doing well! Keep on making vids! Please keep expressing yourself! I support you all the way!!!
RoundSquareX 1 year ago
1god1jesus keeps you stronger!
1GOD1JESUS 1 year ago
Why do you try to compliment GOD for what YOU are? Why is it that you wish people to see GOD in you?
What I see is a beautiful girl with a beautiful heart that doesn't dare to take credit for her own deeds. I don't see god's goodness through you, I see YOUR goodness.
Don't take this the wrong way, but I couldn't care less about God. I don't want to get to know god. It's YOU who I love and YOU who I would like to get know better! YOU are a good girl and you should be PROUD of YOURSELF.
MortalLuc 1 year ago
Do you hear voices in your head?
Have you visually seen god?
"I am not accusing the ATHEISTS!!!!!"
Nuh huh
Ya do know gearup is uneducated right?
sykeo123 1 year ago
you seem like a nice person, but please take the things geerup says with a grain of salt
TheUnmaskedMagician 1 year ago
Im also frightened that Christians actualy look up to liers and plagiarizers like Geerup and TAA. Really how do you ignore all the BS they Spew.
There are 'more' honest Christians around, Why respect creationist nuts like that.
gusb232 1 year ago
@gusb232 well atleast you didnt say Yokeup, or truthfulchristian
gusb232 1 year ago
Your strength is your own. It comes from you. I wish you saw how valuable you are as an individual. I wish you wouldn't devalue yourself by reducing your life to a mission to serve someone else. You are better than that. You are too important for that.
PluralOfEverything 1 year ago
@PluralOfEverything its not my own..you have to remember that i dedicate my life to service to the living god..if i was worshiping my self or any other thing i would feel empty inside..why cant you see the good in this?im not serving a person im serving god..its what gives meaning and reason to my life
godinventedmusic 1 year ago
@godinventedmusic You don't have to worship anything or anybody. I can't see the good in dedicating your life to a lie, and I hate to see so much potential wasted. I don't worship anything, and I don't feel at all empty inside. You are only serving yourself by believing something simply for the sake of not feeling empty. You hold on to it out of fear.
PluralOfEverything 1 year ago
@godinventedmusic sooo your pretty much admitting that your too weak to stand on your own two feet, you need "gods influence" to help you?
TheMaije 1 year ago
I protest against DMCA'ing and false flagging no matter who, even people I strongly disagree with.
dewinthemorning 1 year ago
@dewinthemorning
Exactly my thoughts on the matter as well.
I'm an atheist but I still enjoy listening to the other sides message from time to time.
SublimePsychedilics 1 year ago
@SublimePsychedilics
I've just been listening to mysticalforest's logic for why god exists and to his rant about atheists coming from monkeys. I wouldn't miss that for the world. It gives me a picture of how some people think (apparently many people in the USA think that way). It alerts me as to what a lack of education or a stunted education can do to a child's unformed mind and cripple it forever. It makes me start thinking what should be done to prevent this.
dewinthemorning 1 year ago
I was deeply touched by your video.
Your simple heartfelt words were more powerful than anything I have ever heard on this venue.
Thank you GIM. You are truly the scent of Christ. Your gently spoken wisdom cuts through the most callous and cynical of hearts, starting with my own.
You are one of my favorite users.
TheAtheistAntidote2 1 year ago
lol, you're socially challenged.
VerboseVindication 1 year ago
The AtheistAntidote and Geerup are NOT the people who I'd want defending me or anything I held dear. Following those lying, plagiarize, unoriginal pieces of trash anywhere says a LOT about your intelligence and i'm pretty sure you won't have to worry about getting false DMCAd because of it.
Having said that, the people who are filing false DMCAs against them are worse than the people they false DMCA in my book.
themanofearth 1 year ago
I've only just subscribed, and I'm looking forward to hearing more of what you have to say. Adversity hinders a lot of good people from doing the good in the world that they can and should be doing. Glad to hear that you plan to continue to make this a brighter place.
WasatchIntercept 1 year ago
You're too beautiful to be a Christian.
Dangerman5 1 year ago
@Dangerman5 Yeah, It makes no sense to me the there are any women Christians, given howso much of the bible considers them a basically chattel.
1 Corinthians 11:3
1 Timothy 2:9 - 15
watch?v=3LWh6-Zyj4E
gusb232 1 year ago
You're a nice person and I know you mean very well, but it's pretty damn offensive to tell someone who doesn't believe in god that you're praying for them.
Also, on a different note, I can't see how there's a fight to be kept going. It seems to me that it's more like an argument that one side can't win but refuses stop trying to. What you should focus on for your cause is coming up with a single valid point rather than an army of pointless statements.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor well we dont know for sure if the person filing all these false dmcas is an atheist
godinventedmusic 1 year ago
@hobodoctor I was referring more to a battle against the large number of atheist videos, which wouldn't be necessary with evidence or a valid point.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
Oh my! Someone might get offended if u tell them u are praying 4 them Well I am praying for u Hmm..u know, I now am offended by u suggesting not to tell folds I'm praying 4 them Now what?? I know. Let me be offended. Every time someone does or says anything, expresses an opinion, or has a belief someone will be offended. SO WHAT!! People need to grow up. Thank God for their 1st amendment rights Talk to someone from China or Russia then stop being so easily offended!!
kingdmculture 1 year ago
@kingdmculture I was letting her know in case she cared about offending people, I don't care if you pray for me or not, but not listening to anything I have to say then asking your imaginary friend to forgive me is a true sign of proud idiocy. Also, if you're gonna thank anyone for the first amendment thank secularists like Thomas Jefferson for putting it in the constitution, along with the seperation of church and state. Imbecile.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor Do you know how the 1st Amendment works?
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 Yes.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor So by all means, tell me how it works.
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 Congress can't make a law respecting or prohibiting the practice of a religion. They also can't make laws that violate the freedom of speech, of the press and have to allow people to peaceably assemble or petition to change a law.
I'm wondering what your point is.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor I was just wondering why you mentioned it, but I think I see what you were talking about. It seems kinda pointless to claim the 1st amendment as a victory for secularists solely because it was written by men who were mostly secularists and deists, not Christians. After all, it does protect the rights of religions all throughout America, as you just said.
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 And you're right, it would be pointless to claim it a victory for secularism. The reason I brought it up was because someone else said that we should thank God that we have the first amendment while places like Russia don't, and I said that the first amendment was made by men and is in fact a very secular addition to the constitution.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor I guess that's just something we Christians do. Sure, The Fathers wrote it, but at the same time, we Christians believe their astounding intellect was not self-made. They were given the ability to learn by God, and cultivated that intelligence like few men ever have. So we thank God for giving us tools of justice like the great men the Founding Fathers were, while respecting the Fathers. After all, they were the ones who used their gifts to their fullest extent.
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 The way I see it, the founding fathers weren't intelligent because of a gift but because they dedicated their life to studying everything they could. Too often I see christians talk about incredible athletes, astoundingly smart minds, and notable talents of all kinds as if they were given a gift or a handout. The way I see it, they all work extremely hard to get where they are and to suggest that any of it wasn't gruelingly earned despite huge challenges.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor We know full well the work that people put into their success. Many of those successful people ARE Christians. But to suggest that it was purely THEIR hard work to get there is absurd. Some of that is based on genetics. A more athletic pair of parents will result in a child destined to do better in sports than others. It's the same with intelligence. You can argue that it is a gift or you can't. Christians do. But that ability comes from somewhere OUTSIDE that person.
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 Granted, but there are so many fields that people excel in that have have no notable genetic merit like writing, performing, and being a major reformist. Even then, how can the distinguished successes of Christians and non-Christians alike be attributed to God? It would seem as if God is doing everything he can to make it seem as if talent and success is random among different faiths and demographics.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor First, I don't know a whole lot about genetics or brain functions, but I would think things like creativity can be partially genetic. Either way, things we consider to be gifts from God can go deeper than basic genetics. Gifts and blessings can be as varied a anywhere from genes to experiences to, for lack of a better way of wording it, the way you are, such as creativity, if it does indeed have no basis in genealogy.
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@hobodoctor As for God stealing all of our credit, I don't really see anyone being upstaged. Martin Luther King Jr is given credit for the civil rights movement. The abolitionists are given credit for ending American slavery. Charles Darwin is given credit for spreading the theory of evolution. Denzel Washington is given credit for being a great actor. Interestingly enough, just to rub it in, they're all Christians :)
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 Well, MLK was given credit for making a few notable speeches, the people who actually organized and ran the movement were nearly all secularists, Abraham Lincoln was even persecuted and hated for being as irreligious as he was, Einstein, Hawkins, and every other significant scientific mind in the last 50 years has been atheist, and Brad Pitt is an even better actor and an atheist. It just doesn't make sense that god would bless people he'll later send to hell.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor Like I said, I was just trying to rub their Christianity in. The point was that the people I named were given gifts, and they worked with them to better the world. The men you just named did the same thing, whether they attribute that to God, genetics, luck, any combination of them, or none at all. I can't prove the existence of God, I just wanted to let you know that people who do something special with their lives aren't taken for granted by Christianity.
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 The point I was trying to make was that genetics only affects certain traits and some people are great at things despite a genetic disadvantage. There's nothing to suggest that successful people are given anything they don't work for, and the success of people seems to be random in terms of religion, genetic make up, or any other non-controlable background. And I still think the concept of being gifted undermines people, especially those who work against a disadvantage.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor Let me try an analogy. I said earlier that we view succesful people as instruments of God. Suppose we equate God with a carpenter, and successful men and women as His tools: hammer, screwdriver, saw, etc. Do we look down on the hammer, screwdriver, or saw, just because it was made to do its job? Of course not. We're thankful it's there. Without that tool, the job would remain unfinished.
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 But you have to have SOME reason to think that. Why would God use tools that don't suit his purposes to build something he doesn't want? Why would God bless actors who proudly say he doesn't exist? Why would God bless people who lead lives he'll later burn them for with happiness and success? Why would God bless so many people with incredible intelligence when they do nothing but argue against his existence?
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor Because He doesn't think that forcing us to love Him is worth anything at all. It's more important to Him to give us free will, and the ability to love, rather than to just make us. Would you get any pleasure out of making someone say they love you? Or acting in a way that they love you with their own free will? I think most people would say the latter.
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 The notion that God loves us all is common now, but there's nearly nothing to suggest that in the Bible; it's filled with orders of genocide, cursed innocents, and threats of damnation. Where are the Caaninites?
It wouldn't be force, it'd be incentive to love him. If Christians were more talented, luckier, or happier than others I'd be much more inclined to worship God, but it seems like he's going out of his way to make everything random and as if he doesn't exist at all.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor There is a big difference between God's behavior in the Old and New Testaments. I don't pretend to understand why the change occured, I can only guess. But in the New Testament, in the Gospels and later in the apostle's teachings, the idea that Jesus came to save everyone is reinforced beyond belief. Though the Jews were the "chosen people" before Jesus, now that calling is open to all of us. In fact, I think the word Catholic, in greek, means "universal."
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@hobodoctor But we are happier. Believing in God brings meaning to our lives. I don't mean to say that atheists and non-Christians aren't happy. But belief gives us infinitely more than a basic pursuit of happiness. We look forward to seeing those we loved again, and knowing that after death, all is not lost. As for the randomness... well, I don't know that either.
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 I'm very happy with my life and beliefs, but honestly, I'd be even happier if I thought there was a loving, caring god looking out for me and offering me an eternal life of bliss, but I have to be honest with myself. I learn everything I can and refuse to believe something because it would make me feel better about the world or myself. And the truth is that nothing I've learned suggests there's a god and everything suggests there isn't.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor We don't believe because it makes us happy, but because it makes sense to us. Lucky for us, because we believe, we are happy.
But this I guess is where you and I draw our differences. I look at the world and I see some kind of greater design, and you... I assume you see chance and random occurences?
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 That's exactly my point. Not one scientific theory suggests the world came to be through "chance or random occurences". Christianity doesn't make sense, it just makes more sense when people make no effort to understand science. They're satisfied with someone who doesn't understand something invalidly dismissing it because they already know what answer they want to hear, instead of believing what reason and evidence suggests.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor So if you don't think it came about through chance, how do you think it happened?
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 Needless to say the history of the universe takes longer than 500 characters to explain, so which part is it you want to hear my thoughts on?
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor Haha I mean like creation and things like that. How things came to be, I guess. I mean, I think you're saying it isn't all a result of chance, but how else would it all come about if not by chance?
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 Gravity formed the sun and planets from cosmic clouds and nuclear force made fusion which lit the sun. Certain chemicals are more likely to bond because of their atomic number so eventually more and more specific complex chemical compounds were formed eventually leading to bacteria. Through genetics, genes were passed from species to species and through "survival of the fittest" only the benefitial mutations were passed.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 So you see, it's not random at all. It's free occurences that were limited by forces like gravity, nuclear force, and magnetism that through processes like abiogenesis, evolution, plate tectonics, and so many many others lead very specifically to the world we see. Furthermore, all of them are observable and nearly all of them are even demonstratable.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor To me, that's pretty random. There's no intelligence behind it. And anyways, like I said, this is where we start to have major differences in our thinking. I believe in a god, you believe in what you can see.
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 It's not random at all. Just because there's no intelligence behind it doesn't mean that it doesn't work towards a specific result. And I don't only believe in thing I can see, I believe things I'm given a rational reason to believe in, and so far there's been no such reason from the argument for a god.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor I can understand that. Honestly, I don't have a rational reason myself. Many people claim to have had very personaly relations with God, but I have never had anything like that. I can only hope that will happen one day. I guess I just believe because it just makes sense to me. Probably not a very good reason, huh? :)
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 Irrational things don't make sense to sane people. Though I do respect your views, I would suggest that maybe the reason you're satisfied with your beliefs isn't because it makes sense, but because it makes you comfortable.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor Is it that irrational? I would say the idea of God is one of the most perfectly neutral ideas there are. Regarding physical proof, there is none proving the existance of God, but at the same time, there is not a shred of evidence to the contrary.
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 Well, for it to be neutral you have to have some reason to believe in it in the first place, but you're right, there's no shred of evidence against A god. There is, however, enormous evidence against the Christian god and the specific things he's said to have done which have been repeatedly disproven.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor No, for it to be neutral, there shouldn't be evidence for of against it, or perfectly balanced for and against it, which I'm not too sure if that exists. In this case, there isn't any evidence either way, which I believe makes it neutral
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 God is something that every single law of science and nature says can't exist, every historical study suggests is as fake as the thousands of other gods, who made the earth in a way that every aspect of geologyand astronomy say isn't what happened, and made life in a way incostant with every aspect of evolution and genetics.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 For something to be neutral, it has to be rationally possible that it does or does not exist, like aliens on a distant planet or someting. God, on the other hand, has everything against it and merely gets of on the fact that it's impossible to prove something's inexistance. I can't prove God doesn't exist, but I have a massive amount of evidence that suggests he doesn't. You can't prove he does exist, but you only have wishful thinking to suggest he does. That's not neutral.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor And what is this evidence that suggests He can't exist? He is not a physical being, and therefore has no interaction with any part of the physical world. You may think it's very convenient of us to say that, but that's what we believe. There is NO evidence to either side of it.
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 Okay, but does this non-physical being not have physical interactions with the world? Does he not talk to people, build things, destroy things, make things appear, observe the world, strike people with diseases, and impregnate people?
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor Well we believe that that is God's soing (except for destruction and disease, at least nowadays), but as I'm sure we can both agree, there is still no proof to that.
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 There's no proof because it's impossible for a non-physical being to interact with and observe a physical world. Furthermore, if ANY of the colossal miracles in the Old Testament had taken place they would have left tons and tons of evidence, yet every single shred of evidence we've ever found points to non-Biblical origins. I mean, how old do you think the world really is?
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor Unfortunately, a lot of people, Christians and atheists alike, don't realize that much of the New Testament, especially the beginning, is not meant to be taken literally. Many are taken in the wrong context. For example, many believe that the creation story is not meant to be a story of HOW the world was created, but WHO created it, and WHY. As for the age of the earth, I am an evolutionist. I believe the earth is... What is it, four or five billion years?
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 How do you know it isn't meant to be taken literally? And isn't it a bit odd how no one considered thinking of it metaphorically until after Genesis was disproven? Furthermore, how do you know what's literal and what's figurative?
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor All the greatest books throughout history haven't been straight-up nonfiction. Books with real meaning, literature that lasts, is either fiction, or some kind of historical fiction. It needs some kind of human element that really is rarely seen in pure nonfiction. Besides, I will admit that interpretation of the Bible has changed over the years. But so has science. Science, much like faith, is constantly adapting to new information, and new methods of thinking.
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 We only view them as fiction because they were based on untrue beliefs, but that doesn't mean the epic of Gilgamesh or the Odyssey were supposed to abstract in any way. The books that lasted were books like the Illiad, the Prose Edda, Hesiod's Theogany, Beowulf, the Shahnameh, the Kalevala, and so on, and to the people who wrote and recited them they were historical facts.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor I would say that the writers of the books of the Bible knew that, and incorporated elements of the overly-supernatural, as the others had, whether they believed them or not. Almost like a marketing stunt, I guess? In any case, as I've hinted at a few times before, the New Testament is what is most important. The New Testament includes codes of behavior for ALL of us, not just the "chosen" race, the Jews.
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 Also, science can adapt to any new information because it doesn't have any fundemental beliefs. How can Christianity adapt to the disproval of the existence of Jesus for example? Lastly, how do you know what to interpret as fact? Is hell abstract too? What about heaven? Maybe Jesus and his miracles were abstract too. Maybe the whole book is fictional.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor IF Jesus' existence and miracles were disproven, then Christianity would probably continue to teach His message, because it does still make a lot of sense, treating everyone as you would want to be treated, etc. But I think it's irrelevant. Something happening that long ago, at a time when there was so little record keeping, the existence of Jesus (especially His miracles), like the existance of God, cannot be fully proven in either direction.
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 Who says good records weren't kept? There were actually great records kept, especially in that area of the world. There isn't a single record of Jesus, the miracle doing son of God, having ever existed, or there even having been Jewish slaves in Egypt as claimed in the Old Testament, but there's thousands from all sorts of sources about Alexandar the Great from 300 years after Jesus and Cyrus the Great 600 years before Jesus all in the same area.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor But there ARE records of Jesus. Now that you mentioned it, I looked it up, and there's a LOT of references to Jesus, not necesarily as the Christ, but definitely as a well-known man for his time. And they do reference him doing SOMETHING out of the ordinary. Now I wouldn't count this as proof of His divinity by any means, but he wasn't any normal human.
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 Another thing I don't understand is if Jesus is proven to not have been the son of God or have existed, why would his teachings matter? If they don't have any divine weight to them, why are they better than anyone elses morals? I mean, modern law is profoundly more moral than Jesus was, who preached slaughtering disbelievers and disobedient children, and whose good teachings (the golden rule) existed and was taught long before him.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor He never preached slaughter, ever. True, that was in the Old Testament, but like I said, that can't always be taken at its word. As for His actual teachings, you say they're no better than anyone else's, but they are. I'm a moral objectivist, but there's reason behind it. Jesus' teachings are the perfect roadmap for humanity.
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."?
"And he shall rule them with a rod of iron" was probably referring to the other Jesus.
He was just joking when criticizing the Jews for not killing their children: "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'"
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor It's surely a matter of interpretation, and you can take it as you want. But I see the sword and the iron rod as His rules for us, describing the life to come as a tough one. Living as a good, kind, loving person is not always easy. In fact, it can be pretty damn hard. Also, it could be that He knew the turbulence it would cause, whether persecution by the Romans, or the Inquisition. As for the children, He was pointing out how the Pharisees follow some rules, but not others
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@hobodoctor Allow me to elaborate on that last. In Matthew 15: 1-20, the Pharisees and scribes ask Jesus why His disciples do not wash their hands before they eat; that is breaking "the traditions of the elders." He replies by pointing out that they do not stone disobedient children, which is also apparently in accordance with the Law. Obviously, that was another section of the Old Testament that is deeply flawed.
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 The fact of the matter is that the morals we have in our modern society aren't because of the Bible but despite it. There are so many things in both the old and new testaments that call for slaughter, slavery, and so on that are constantly overlooked and ignored that people forget this. The law is the perfect roadmap for humanity because it has nothing to gain, it has the input of everyone, and is free to change with culture and doesn't get stuck in the bronze age.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor Despite it? Despite the Old Testament, perhaps, but the New Testament, again, advocates NONE of the sort. In fact, the law is based on it. True, as the Founding Fathers said, as they should have, the US is "not a Christian nation." They were right, we are not. Rather, we are a nation founded on Christian principles that advocates for complete freedom of religion. Our laws are in accordance with the teachings of Jesus
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 No, our laws in accordance with basic principles of empathy, some of which Jesus supposedly advocated, and most of which others did well before and well after Jesus in all parts of the world. Jesus even says in the Bible, which I've read, that he totally agrees with the Old Testament. I don't see how "Think not that I come to send peace" is up for interpretion, the Crusaders clearly interpreted the Bible as empirialistic.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor Nowhere in the Bible does it advocate freedom of speech, press, religion, gun ownership, or voting for representatives, nor protention from quartering, the right to a speedy trial, or the right to a trial by peers. In fact, I challenge you to find support for any of the amendments in the Constitution anywhere in the Bible.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@ilikenoodles1 And if it matters, I look at the world in wonder and awe of the power and strength of nature. What do you think of the greater design when millions of innocent people die and more are left starving and homeless each year in natural disasters?
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor Furthermore, there plenty who are blessed, but don't use their gifts. For example, standardized tests show that I am a very intelligent kid, but grades show a mediocre student at best. Why? Because I don't try, I don't study. I haven't used the gifts I've been given, and for that reason, I don't get credit for it. And I shouldn't, either. Regardless of what God has done for me, I haven't done much with it. Sorry for three comments, I hate this character limit
ilikenoodles1 1 year ago
@hobodoctor Well my friend if you are naive enough to believe that it was secular values that set the principals for the constitution then you are naive to believe that your rights come from men. Yes, you believe that your right are from the state. If so then they can be taken from you by mere fallible men. (just bags of chemicals really) according to your fantasy you claim to be scientific. If from God than no man can take them from you.
kingdmculture 1 year ago
@kingdmculture I believe the constituion has secular values because secular people wrote it to have secular principles, what's your logic in thinking your god's the cause? My rights are from the same, they did come from infallible men, and they can be taken away from me.
If our rights were divine then we wouldn't need to make laws establishing them. Look at a country like Iran or North Korea and tell me rights come from your genocidal, egomaniacal cretin of a god.
hobodoctor 1 year ago
@hobodoctor
at 3:17 she said that she was praying for the troll who filed a false DMCA against her. If that troll is offended, good!
AlanCFA 1 year ago
Thumbs up from an Atheist... a small protest against false flagging and false DMCAed.
PS
Many Atheists have also been talking about leaving YT because of false flagging/DMCAing is so easy. All it takes is one Troll to take down a channel that many other 100s or 1000s like.
NYCAustinNYC 1 year ago
l loved this video, your honesty was beautiful
MrStripyHead 1 year ago
light of the world...... lol ?
rosehurry 1 year ago 2
I'm really glad to hear from you (This Video) Since I have left several messages and haven't heard back, I have also been greatly concerned, because I know that this situation has been very upsetting to you. I'm praying for you, and please remember, "In our weakness, his strength is made perfect" and in our darkest hour, he will shine the brightest.!! God Bless You sister, YBIC ~Lee
mykidsdad36 1 year ago
@mykidsdad36 sorry for not responding to your comments in the past..they have been a blessing and kind words of encouragement ..and i thank you for that
godinventedmusic 1 year ago
@godinventedmusic -No...... don't be sorry, thats fine, I was just getting real worried about you.I have just featured a support video on my channel also for Jesusfreek777 who's channel was also suspended for False DMCA'S, this is a much to common problem thats effecting everyone, and it's one of the main reasons I've never made video ( I do all my contact - through comments and PM's for this very reason) God Bless, ~Lee
mykidsdad36 1 year ago
This is a great and encouraging video! its good to see you making videos again
SonnyDelight55 1 year ago
@SonnyDelight55 thank you! god bless!
godinventedmusic 1 year ago
Hey. I cannot the same;t say anything about God but in terms of social, you can try talking to shy people first? I used to be pretty shy; maybe not same as you though.
For the record, your vid wasn;t boring.
In terms of religions, I'm a taoist. Christ influenced me a bit. long story.
truevoiceofsanity 1 year ago
You keep on talking. Lend your voice to the collective here on YouTube.
Though we do not agree on spirituality, we think we agree on free speech.
In the words of Sting "Be yourself no matter what they say"
rtottenc 1 year ago
Good to see your back- I was about to ask you what was going on :)
ExitRomeo 1 year ago