It should be noted that the poor health conditions that will affect the goose through this feeding will bring on suffering in the animal in it's later years...however, the geese are slaughtered well before they reach this age and so they do not suffer this affect during their life. On a responsible farm after feeding you will see the geese run around afterwards behaving normally and showing no signs of stress. The key is responsible farming not banning farms.
Reason tv is for psychopathic libertarians who worship Ayn Rand. Oh geez that isn't selfish and not cruel enough for me. Make them suffer more and if you don't then you are infringing on my freedom to torture.
Yes, they go on about ducks being waterfowl and blah blah, but all the ducks on foie gras factory farms never see any ponds, lakes or water, let alone get any fish to swallow! Funny how myopic people become when making a buck underpins their outlook.
if no demand how got supply..everything gone bad bcos of human beings...stupid, selfish, greedy ...take advantage from other life and more bad that wanna get other life but make them so suffer before die..its not fair!
why do people get mad when someone force feeds an animal? you are going to kill it and eat it. isnt killing somthing supposed to be the bad thing? people are fucked
MOVE OUT OF CALIFORNIA!!! Move and take your business and money to another state! We will be glad to have you....let Cali rot. Fuck a nanny state...fuck a welfare state!
Liars. I can't stand environmental activists, and am fine with people eating bird livers to their heart's content. But he's lying when he says the ducks walk up to the machine to get fed after a while. They don't. they crowd up away from it in the corner of the pen until caught and force fed.
There's no need to lie about it. It doesn't matter if the birds are having fun or not enjoying it. Most Americans don't want the gov't telling them what they can eat.
Rights are what you grant other people so that they might grant it back to you. Now, if you are willing to grant a duck a right, good for you, but it has nothing to do with what rights people grant each other. I personally dislike foie gras, but because I want a peaceful society between humans first and foremost, doing anything forceful about it would undermine my purpose. If people stop granting each other the right of peace, don't be surprised when there is war.
This is animal cruelty. All animal farming is animal cruelty, but that does not give justification of using force through laws to prevent these practices. People need to be educated not coerced through government force or aggression by individuals or groups. The only way to stop animal cruelty is you must each be the change and lead by example and educate your friends and relatives Join activist groups or form one yourself to educate people and not coerce, threaten or force them to agree.
Has an animal rights activists ever questioned what would happen if we were not the dominate species in the planet and what that other dominate species would do to us? If ducks were dominate and had reasoning skills would they not farm humans and eat them?
i cant wait till the day we can eat all these fucking people who put animals ahead of people, and all the nanny staters..we should force feed them and eat their livers
I haven't eaten duck since I saw an Animal Cops show about them years ago. The duck farm (is that what it's called?) kept the ducks in shoebox-size cages & force-fed them their entire lives. They never once in their lives got to stand up, much less walk or swim. I'm not a vegetarian, but that really got to me. I hope that was a rare case. I think if animals must be raised for food they should be treated humanely. Whether for sick amusement, neglect, or profit, abuse is abuse, & it's just wrong.
What a crock. 'Oh geez, we threatened their lives 10 years ago and they're still talking about it.' Hey you Dick! If you threatened my famiuly's lives and my life, I would stop YOU!
Banning what's known as "foie gras" in numerous states in the US alone will only lead to heated debates from politicians. Animals that are force fed to their deaths is one way animal activists can't stop because there'll be more and more people out there doing the same diabolical scheme to force feed animals like ducks and geese so they can be slaughtered within weeks. People who are not aware of that "French cuisine" is a fatty meal should take caution it is like eating out of a grease bucket.
As a veterinarian that has had to force feed many sick avian patients over the years, I can tell you that once they have recovered to the point of regaining their appetite, they will approach me to be fed again. Even if they were well enough to eat on their own, I will still force feed them to make sure they were receiving the correct dose of their medication. The ducks are not being force fed to point of liver failure and illness. Sick ducks are not butchered for human consumption. No fatty
I will KISS for some of you. When you eat a big plate of veggies just think of all of the creatures that were killed or displaced to make that meal. Veggies grow in dirt one needs lots of dirt to grow lots of veggies. Animals live in and on top the dirt. When a farmer plows the land to prepare it for planting animals are killed.
I have been to the Hudson valley, and saw the "force-feeding" of ducks first-hand. When the man with the bucket of corn approached the area where the ducks were being kept, they LITERALLY stampeded him. They were pushing and shoving each other to be first. Interpret that any way you wish. Having said that, I would like to ad that I have gazed into the eyes of ducks, and haven't seen much gazing back at me. Why not focus our energy on the treatment of HUMAN BEINGS, Earth's only sentient species.
@hoosierhiver "who says we are the only sentient species" If by "sentient" we mean "conscious", no one. If by "sentient" we mean "capable of reason", the vast majority of the scientific community. My point is that any expenditure of energy in the defense of ducks (mindless, stupid, swimming/eating/shitting machines) when SO MANY humans are suffering around the globe, is obscene. If saving ducks is what you're about, so be it. Personally, I'm about helping humans; an imperfect species, but mine.
If we aren't the ony sentient species, we have no way as of yet to communicate with other sentient species on Earth, so it is not unreasonable that we act like we alone are sentient for the present.
That is unless you two have secret evidence of sentient duck civilizations which you haven't shared.
Animals can feel pain too. There is no ethical content at all in this video except "animals have no rights, and humans have the right to torture innocent and harmless animals for there pleasure." Its ironic to talk about freedom of choice while denying any rights at all to the victims of those choices. It would be like saying that someone that wants to ban slavery is trying to take away the rights of the plantation owner
If you don't like Foie Gras, don't eat it and it will become unpopular anyways and go out of business. Bans are immoral in themselves, vote through the marketplace instead.
what the hell is the point in both producing it and banning it. If people could just start caring about shit that matters, this wouldn't even be an issue..
I think foie gras is okay to eat, but some of the feeding methods sound a bit harsh like force feeding, but many are allowed to graze say on carrots, and they still consume a lot of food without being force fed. There's absolutely nothing wrong with preferring animal products when the animals are allowed to have a more comfortable life rather than being stuck in a small space. The life of an animal is nothing compared to a human life, but I'd rather animals live in comfort before being harvested
@beigelycheenut I'd like to add that that force feeding sucks, but it should stay legal. Due to the physiology of ducks, it's not completely awful, but if people vote with their dollar for somewhat more humane treatment, then those methods will become cheaper just like people opting for more environment friendly products. It's a great thing, but people shouldn't be forced to buy them.
Warm Blooded Herbivores: 1) Cool themselves by sweating 2) Can move mouth side to side 3) Intestine is 7 to 15 times length of body 4) Never die of clogged arteries from eating meat
Warm Blooded Carnivores (cats) and Omnivores (dogs): 1) Cool by panting 2) Can only move mouth up/down 3) Intestine is 3 to 5 times length of body 4) Eating meat can result in premature death
"A lion is not a slave to the keeper who feeds it, for fear is the mark of a slave." - Diogenes of Sinope
@mrcoffey ...? Hippopotamus? To name one? We more fall more accurately under multi gastral herbivores. Our canines are hardly 'pointy' and most of them aren't curved at all as is on display in most carnivores and omnivores...
@slipknot95maggot You're confusing tusks, used for defense, with canines, used for eating. You are wrong about our dietary classification. The fact that we require amino acids which our bodies cannot synthesize should be a clue.
@mrcoffey - Hello! Elephants have pointy teeth - so do giraffe - monkeys all herbivores have pointed teeth exactly where ours are.. They are called incisors and they are used to eat fruit. Omnivores do not get clogged arteries from eating meat.
@wasuretta Elephants have tusks. Incisors (front teeth of humans) are different than canines (pointy teeth of humans). Monkeys are most assuredly omnivores, as are all apes. Humans are a species of ape. Now go kill and eat something.
@mrcoffey - Monkeys and apes are herbivores. Their intestinal tract is too long to be an omnivore. Thou shalt not kill is a commandment from God - you must be godless? Even a lion will not eat a cooked steak until it has been trained to do so - do you eat your meat raw? There is no nutritional value in cooked meat. All animals instinctually avoid cooked meat until trained to eat it.
"A lion is not a slave to the keeper who feeds it - for fear is the mark of a slave." - Diogenes of Sinope
You are WRONG. Its SO EASY to research this. Why do you argue? Of COURSE I am godless! I am also Santa-less, tooth-fairy-less, Zeus-less. MONKEYS APES AND HUMANS ( a type of APE) are FUCKING OMNIVORES! Ask ANY biologist. IT IS A FACT. NOW GO KILL SOMETHING AND EAT IT! By the way, do you kill your veggies before you eat them? One last thing, a little "ad hominem", you are a fucking idiot.
@mrcoffey - Thank you for calling me an idiot as you type in all caps, result to insults, and tell me to take things as fact (such as flouride is good for teeth) you strengthen my resolve and I take being called an idiot by you as a compliment. Omnivores pant, you sweat. Omnivores can only move mouths up/down, you can move side-to-side. Omnivores do not eat cooked meat, so to stick by your principle you must eat it raw. God is nature, you are against nature as an omnivore. Self explanatory.
@wasuretta This is from Richard Fehon, professor of zoology at the University of Chicago, who was kind enough to give me two minutes of his time: "Monkeys, apes, and humans are all omnivores. The word omnivore simply means an animal is ABLE to eat meat. In the case of the orangutan, for instance, we have an omnivore, an animal that CAN eat meat, but has never been observed doing so. Gorillas rarely eat meat. Baboons and chimps eat it frequently".
@pandaya News to me as well. The way it was explained to me is that gorillas are opportunistic, meaning if they come across carrion or an abandoned kill, they'll eat them some meat. As far as I know, they don't hunt.Chimps, on the other hand, have been observed killing and eating animals, which I find creepy, for some reason. The word "omnivore" doesn't mean "MUST eat meat", it just refers to animals that are ABLE to eat meat, which all primates are.
@wasuretta Almost forgot...your confusing CARNIVORE with OMNIVORE (I use caps because I can't use italics). "to stick by your principle you must eat it raw." I don't eat meat based on any PRINCIPLE, you pompous, faux erudite, shit-head. DO RESEARCH. Gather FACTS. CHECK YOUR FACTS. It took me less than 20 minutes to get a response from Dr. Fehon, a PHD in ZOOLOGY. It takes you no time at all to pull errant bullshit out of the fetid mass you call a brain.
@mrcoffey - you are very hateful and immature - this is my last reply only because I love all mankind. In Fehon`s case PhD means Piled higher and Deeper. You can eat wood if you like. You will die early. You can eat fesces if you like. You can drink your piss if you like. Nature on the other hand will take care of those who violate nature. Chimps do not eat meat frequently as Fehon states. It is extremely rare and nature kills them off, same like it does to humans. Have a nice day
People often compare the plight of farm animals as if they were humans. Ducks and humans have different physiological attributes that influences they way we feel and eat. As noted in the video below, ducks can consume enormous amounts of food, have stronger throats than ours, and have no gag reflex. Furthermore, most farmers make it humanely as dead animals do not sell. Anthony Bourdain on No Reservations, Foie Gras Not Cruel
Foie Gras is like filet minion with a buttery and silky texture.
@sWeepingsAnd You already have by tacking on the word sentient and in order to include sentience you would have to redefine sentience to exclude insects so that's 2 definitions you would have to change.
It doesn't look like those ducks are having a good time. The guy against this food should have his members sit outside these restaurants and give out pamphlets so people are aware of what they're paying for. They should be allowed freedom of speech.
Is it necessary to overfeed the ducks in order to have foie gras? Is duck liver not large enough to eat unless this process is administered? I am genuinely curious.
I watched the short film Meet Your Meat and it was disturbing, I ultimately want to stop eating meat because I believe it is unnecessary for our survival. We need to be reminded that this industry can be cruel and we don't have do this to animals that obviously exhibit distress in these environments we humans force them into.
I'm a meat eater and a libertarian, but a lot of this pro-meat propaganda from libertarian circles bothers me a lot. It's like they want to just ignore the ethical discussion at all and just say "well, animals aren't humans and only humans have rights..." The same argument was used to support slavery, and it was just as invalid back then. Humans don't "have rights", rights are made up. We design them. And there is no reason to ignore the possibility of treating animals more humanely.
@jrgenkratz "It's like they want to just ignore the ethical discussion at all and just say "well, animals aren't humans and only humans have rights...""
Would every individual animal be an equally capable agent of creation in a free market with property-rights, capital markets, etc.? If not, where would be the objective basis for granting every individual animal equal liberty in such a free market?
@hitssquad Why is that a relevant criterion? What does the market even have to do with it? We are talking about ethics. Human individuals aren't even "equally capable agents of creation in a free market with property-rights, capital markets, etc". I didn't even mention the term "liberty" or the term "equality", you are just putting words in my mouth. But if your criterion is valid, does that mean we are allowed to eat children and mentally retarded humans too?
@jrgenkratz "But if your criterion is valid, does that mean we are allowed to eat children and mentally retarded"
It means it might be more economically efficient to vary the amount of individual liberty one is allowed based on his potential for acting as a creative agent in a free-market society with property-rights. Society already does that to some degree. Note the greater amounts of liberty granted to adults, in comparison to adolescents, and to adolescents in comparison to children.
I hate to be that guy, but I've seen humane foie gras farms and it's hard for you to think these animals are in pain or are being harmed when they literally line up like puppies waiting to be fed. They naturally eat alot, especially in "flight" seasons when they think naturally they need to stuff up for flight. They also can't really choke, these animals often eat whole fish and things in the wild. The only way you can really choke them is to literally do it with your hands on their neck.
@Theotherotherother In natural circumstances they eat to make their liver so fucked up that it swells 5 to10 times the normal size. And we know that because it is observed that some birds swallow a whole fish. And the frequency that they do this is of course not important. And where can I see this lining up of these ducks? Because all I see are sick ducks being miserable in their own feces in little cages, in where they can’t move.
@TerrierBram Ah the myth of the free-range foie gras duck. I also the argument that these ducks "line-up" to be fed is pretty irrelevant, obese pets come on call to be fed, and I'm pretty sure if I offered nothing but cookies and sweets to my daughter she would eat with reckless abandon, but she'd be a very sick kid in a very short amount of time.
@xxcrysad3000xx It comes down that western life style of more and more caused that people lost the essential respect for life, and exchanged it unconsciously for pleasure, and being miserable in between the pleasure moments. Hence the money that is made by the pharmaceutical industry. And now they put up mental detours when they earn off these pleasure moment industries or when the state pays for their tricks. As long it fits in the banksters plan, you know, they will be paid.
Well, the pet argument is pretty irrelevant, because you aren't fattening your pets for slaughter, and neither your daughter. You expect them to live a full life. I really highly doubt that the ducks feed is cookies and sweets only. The only thing I can suggest to you is to visit one of these places yourself rather then just drawing conclusions from behind of computer screen.
Find the nearest humane foie gras farm near you. You might not be close to one. You can hear and see it from the guy who actually works with the animals rather then just hearing it from a guy on the internet. You have to understand that I'm talking about the people who raise these birds to produce wonderful product, not sub par mass factory shit. I'm sure you know there's a difference between humane chicken farming and something like Tyson chicken.
@Theotherotherother And why do you pick out this point that fits in your brilliant discussion plan, while ignoring other points like: why should an animal in natural circumstance makes his liver ill by eating so much that his liver becomes 5 to 10 times bigger. What about internet, TV, news paper? What about not displaying a really interesting level of reasoning, what you just did. Good grief, you remind me of some of George Carlin's content, quite explicitly.
Well, if you did anything foodwise by natural circumstance, especially for meat, you would be eating bare bones low quality items. And when I say that, I mean no human involvement, no seed selecting, no farming. Think if you can of a chicken that is raised on a farm, and one that is born and raised wild and only eats scraps. The farm chicken is no doubt going to be a better product then the starving, dirty wild chicken.
@Theotherotherother No I won’t. And the proof is obvious. Petro chemical induced farming techniques just came across in the fifties, so what did people eat before that? While having heavy labour at hand by hand? Bare bones? No they didn’t. This more and more paradigm is coming to an end. But the supermarket just has to be empty before the majority start to dig it. Balance and respecting life will save some. The fittest of the fittest who do pay respect to life. Force feeding doesn’t fit in.
Do you know the history of farming and agriculture? I'm not just talking about chemical or GMO farming, I'm talking about seed selecting, and basic and ancient agriculture practice. My example was used to reflect that.
@Theotherotherother My point was that the animal's behavior seemed to suggest to one of the speaker's in the video that they wanted to be fed and quite possibly liked the process (since they lined up to do so). All I was trying to say was that all kinds of behaviors can be conditioned, that rationale is faulty, so therefore we should throw out his argument, not mine.
@Theotherotherother Actually we DO eat free range chicken. They are chickens that are raised in the out-of-doors, and allowed to eat bugs, seeds and grasses, instead of spending their lives in a small box, unable to move and having their beaks cut off so they cannot peck the next chicken in similar box two inches away.
The meat from a free range chicken is firmer, less fat, and has a lot more flavor. Watch a video from a normal chicken factory. you will change your mind,
I don't know what you want to know about internet, television, or the newspaper. As far as you thinking I'm not displaying a "interesting level of reasoning" I would have to say that it's subjective and it doesn't fit your views so you are instantly not going to agree and think I'm a moron.
@Theotherotherother I still can see many thing via the referred media though and they appear as directly derived from reality though. Including pictures of foie grass farms, and how they operate. So, yes, that was a pretty stupid comment of you.
I'm talking about american humane farms. I don't think you are making that connection. I think mass factory foie gras should be shut down. I'm telling you a basic fundamental fact of seeing it for yourself. You say you can't do that, so by my scorecard you have zero credibility about exactly what I'm talking. I don't understand what you are gaining if you are just going to turn this argument into a schoolyard name calling match.
I'm talking about american humane farms. I don't think you are making that connection. I think mass factory foie gras should be shut down. I'm telling you a basic fundamental fact of seeing it for yourself. You say you can't do that, so by my scorecard you have zero credibility about exactly what I'm talking. I don't understand what you are gaining if you are just going to turn this argument into a schoolyard name calling match.
@Theotherotherother For the chicken thing, if I eat chicken products they have at least EKO (SKAL) qualification. Good for the taste, nutrients, and the animal. But I pushing towards my own chicken, because already in Italy they corrupted the ecological food market. Of course in Italy.
@wasuretta - actually we are omnivores. It doesn't really matter wether we consume meat or vegetables. Our body produces digestive enzymes to break down the sugars, proteins, and lipids we eat into glucose, amino acids and fatty acids. Doesn't matter the source, our body will break it down and use it! But, since we lack a multi-chambered stomach, the only natural stuff we truly can't digest are polysaccharides (although still important for homo sapiens to consume).
5:37 This guy is distorting the issue. The case the government makes against allowing raw milk and raw milk products is centered around those products supposedly being harmful to humans. This is something that should be left up to individuals to decide. But this particular issue of the way they prepare these ducks has to do with a legitimate argument about cruelty to animals, not alleged harm to the consumer of the product.
I'm against the government having anything to do with what people eat. I'm also personally against raising ducks that way. If ducks naturally eat like that, then put whole fish in a bucket and let them eat that way?... Why has that not occurred to them then?
Don't buy it, and don't give the government a job it isn't supposed to have.
@bluepurplegreen758 It was stated in the video that not too many people buy it to begin with. It's an expensive delicacy. A pretty f'd up one if you ask me. Just eat a fucking normal duck.
"Both the American Veterinary Medical Association's House of Delegates and the American Association of Avian Pathologists have concluded that foie is not a product of animal cruelty."
I dunno, I tend to agree with the Reason folks, but this deos seem to border on cruelty. The ducks are being force fed insane amounts of fat to bloat thier gut, just for someone's tastes. I'm not a vegan or anything, but I do not support putting animals through needless pain.
@dogagas It's not too different from most meat products. I'm in favor of having some animal cruelty laws (because I don't consider animals simply another form of property) - but ban/restrict the procedures, not the product itself.
@dogagas I agree. I consider myself a libertarian but there are still limits, acts which are considered legitimately criminal and I think the way these ducks are prepared qualifies as that.
Really I think this was a bad issue for Reason to jump on. Most of the videos I find to be completely on target, they're on the right side without question. This one at best merits skepticism of the supposedly pro-liberty side.
@kev3d Of course I do, but the premise of the statement seemed to imply that the poster thought that just because something has a level of demand in the market makes it inherently okay. So I cited child porn as an example of something that has market demand but should be illegal for obvious reasons.
@dubified89 That misses my point. Pease was saying that foie gras should be taken off the market and it doesn't matter to anyone because no one really wants it anyway. I was saying that that was a contradiction because people are paying for it. There could be reasons why something should be taken off the market, but the idea that people don't really want something that is selling is buncombe.
Bringing up the fact the activist vandalized the farmers' property was a red herring. The argument made by the animal activist is that the farmers' activities are cruel and inhumane, the vandalism claims is unrelated to the argument and only serves to divert the conversation away from it's central premise.
When getting my MBA, I studied this issue and personally believe the Devalge is a bad practice; however, there were some details you left out. First, there are Foie Gras that does not utilize the method mentioned in this video. This is a more natural method to harvest Foie Gras.
Being more Libertarian, I am against the bans on Foie Gras. There are some who enjoy Foie Gras but freely choose more humane methods of Foie Gras. Like organic farming, I think consumer education is the solution.
I reckon this is like anything else in life. Don't like it don't eat it. Get people to stop eating it to stop the practice, but don't mess around with individual freedoms.
Look if enough people stop eating at the restaurants that serve Foi Graus and not enough of those restaurants patrons order it, then guess what? They'll stop serving it. As less places serve it, less places will buy it from the farmers, those farmers will change the amount they produce, change what type of meat they produce, or shut down. End of Fois Graus can happen without laws if that's what you really want.
Look i think Foie Gras is disgusting (morally and culinary), i would never eat it or support its trade with my dollars. But it doesn't seem to be any more in violation of animal rights than any other meat processing where animals are fed a strict diet of hormones. This is something for the free market to handle and not the government. Educate the public and let them decide, don't turn to government force to impose your morals on other consenting adults.
@jrikus "This is something for the free market to handle and not the government."
So you are saying that animal cruelty is something that should be available to people if they desire it? What about cruelty to children? Something for the free market to sort out? Child porn anyone?
@DrSpooglemon Next thing you know, they'll legalize crashing cars into limousines carrying famous actresses as a means of titillation. Then murder will be legalized for the same reason. After it's too late to do anything, we'll all be selling the skulls of young children as coffee mugs.
@DrSpooglemon youre a douche, and child porn should be illegal even in a free market because it is child abuse, and form of child abuse should be illegal. And the real cases of animal cruelty are few and far between, but they cause such huge overreactions.
@beigelycheenut buying it should be illegal aswell, it goes to funding child abuse. But don't worry im not one of those nuts who think the government should police the internet for child porn.
@34lbs Yes, you could say buying an illegal product that is illegal for a reason such as abuse is okay in my mind. It's just like buying stolen property. I still think people shouldn't be charged for watching it; although, I'd have to muster all I have to not punch the scumbag in the face if I met him... or her... but let's face it, prolly him.
@DrSpooglemon As usual you tree huggers are always taking things out of context. Comparing animals with children makes a lot of sense right? In that case how about stop doing weed? Illegal drugs cause more cruelty to people and the society than animal "cruelty". Oh but I forgot you greenies love to smoke it! So that must be out of the question (according to you). Spoiled Brats! Beg to God you and your family will always have enough to eat, animal or not, the day you won't will be a sad one!
"You're actually seeking to induce a disease in the animal. Essentially you're creating a liver that's over 10 times its normal size." This claim is never disputed. "Funnel"? What about the metal pipe that's attached to the funnel, and shoved down the ducks' throats as they fight to escape?
With all of the wars going on in the world, I find it pathetic that these assholes use their time to protest for animal rights when humans are being slaughtered on a daily basis.
Protest the wars first and then worry about everything else.
When there is abuse, the evidence should be presented, media campaigns can take place and if people agree then the foie gras market will diminish voluntarily.
The violence of government is not the solution to abuse of animals.
I'm a libertarian on almost everything, but I'm not sure I'd necessarily oppose laws preventing extreme animal cruelty. Surely there must come a point where an animal is subjected to so much torture that human freedom can be restricted for it? After all, what's great about markets and liberty is that it prevents suffering... just because the suffering in this case is non-human, I don't think it means we shouldn't care...
@simonatwarwick You are absolutely correct! But at what point is is justifiable to employ the violence of the state in order to conform individuals to the world view of a minority. Education, leading by example, and providing rational arguments is the virtuous solution. Though a gun is much faster.
Virtually every law ever created is worse than the behavior it was meant to end. I won't buy foie gras because I find the process creepy and disgusting. After being inside a chicken farm I buy cage free eggs. Information and choice make a better world, laws make bigger prisons.
Interesting. I vote FREEDOM! these cats like to pass laws restricting everyone instead of just campaigning to educate and convince people by REASON to change their mind
@nottinmatterz Oh poo! This is simply about profit. If the uber rich (aka 1%) would stop eating this then there would not be a market; greed is NOT good!
Find out is force feeding ducks/geese hurting them,if so find a way to do it without pain,don't ban food,ban cruelty,there is a non cruel way to do anything.
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honymooon 2 days ago
These animal rights activists do not ever want to stop till everyone is vegan. They are a cancer.
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wasuretta 1 week ago
isn't Egyptian civilizations the best
boody19 1 week ago
It should be noted that the poor health conditions that will affect the goose through this feeding will bring on suffering in the animal in it's later years...however, the geese are slaughtered well before they reach this age and so they do not suffer this affect during their life. On a responsible farm after feeding you will see the geese run around afterwards behaving normally and showing no signs of stress. The key is responsible farming not banning farms.
Avidcomp 1 week ago
Reason tv is for psychopathic libertarians who worship Ayn Rand. Oh geez that isn't selfish and not cruel enough for me. Make them suffer more and if you don't then you are infringing on my freedom to torture.
LearningAsIGo80 2 weeks ago
Yes, they go on about ducks being waterfowl and blah blah, but all the ducks on foie gras factory farms never see any ponds, lakes or water, let alone get any fish to swallow! Funny how myopic people become when making a buck underpins their outlook.
pandaya 2 weeks ago
if no demand how got supply..everything gone bad bcos of human beings...stupid, selfish, greedy ...take advantage from other life and more bad that wanna get other life but make them so suffer before die..its not fair!
wiwbib 2 weeks ago
why do people get mad when someone force feeds an animal? you are going to kill it and eat it. isnt killing somthing supposed to be the bad thing? people are fucked
itchynoob 3 weeks ago
MOVE OUT OF CALIFORNIA!!! Move and take your business and money to another state! We will be glad to have you....let Cali rot. Fuck a nanny state...fuck a welfare state!
yakuzelizard 3 weeks ago in playlist Reason.tv Features
Liars. I can't stand environmental activists, and am fine with people eating bird livers to their heart's content. But he's lying when he says the ducks walk up to the machine to get fed after a while. They don't. they crowd up away from it in the corner of the pen until caught and force fed.
There's no need to lie about it. It doesn't matter if the birds are having fun or not enjoying it. Most Americans don't want the gov't telling them what they can eat.
blogegog 3 weeks ago in playlist Reason.tv Features
States are making it illegal to shoot video in slaughter houses and Reason.tv decides to talk about this?
techn0scho0lbus 3 weeks ago in playlist Reason.tv Features
For any of you who might still not have a job? ... Groundhog’ tastes like lamb’ and makes a great stew’ ... happy holiday's (lower case h).
earlgray1947 3 weeks ago in playlist Reason.tv Documentary
Rights are what you grant other people so that they might grant it back to you. Now, if you are willing to grant a duck a right, good for you, but it has nothing to do with what rights people grant each other. I personally dislike foie gras, but because I want a peaceful society between humans first and foremost, doing anything forceful about it would undermine my purpose. If people stop granting each other the right of peace, don't be surprised when there is war.
mortalisk 3 weeks ago in playlist Reason.tv Documentary
Viva la foie gras!!
rzxwm10 3 weeks ago in playlist Reason.tv Documentary
This is animal cruelty. All animal farming is animal cruelty, but that does not give justification of using force through laws to prevent these practices. People need to be educated not coerced through government force or aggression by individuals or groups. The only way to stop animal cruelty is you must each be the change and lead by example and educate your friends and relatives Join activist groups or form one yourself to educate people and not coerce, threaten or force them to agree.
hooverdog1957 3 weeks ago
Has an animal rights activists ever questioned what would happen if we were not the dominate species in the planet and what that other dominate species would do to us? If ducks were dominate and had reasoning skills would they not farm humans and eat them?
ThePurelogic 3 weeks ago in playlist Reason.tv Features
i cant wait till the day we can eat all these fucking people who put animals ahead of people, and all the nanny staters..we should force feed them and eat their livers
jwka2001 3 weeks ago
fucking liberals always trying to impose their will on people. Republicans are bad, but damn liberals always seem to be like 10x worse
jwka2001 3 weeks ago
I haven't eaten duck since I saw an Animal Cops show about them years ago. The duck farm (is that what it's called?) kept the ducks in shoebox-size cages & force-fed them their entire lives. They never once in their lives got to stand up, much less walk or swim. I'm not a vegetarian, but that really got to me. I hope that was a rare case. I think if animals must be raised for food they should be treated humanely. Whether for sick amusement, neglect, or profit, abuse is abuse, & it's just wrong.
Booofrthefirst 3 weeks ago
@Booofrthefirst Fuck you
bigboss686 3 weeks ago in playlist Reason.tv Features
What a crock. 'Oh geez, we threatened their lives 10 years ago and they're still talking about it.' Hey you Dick! If you threatened my famiuly's lives and my life, I would stop YOU!
Coulterr 3 weeks ago in playlist Reason.tv Documentary
Banning what's known as "foie gras" in numerous states in the US alone will only lead to heated debates from politicians. Animals that are force fed to their deaths is one way animal activists can't stop because there'll be more and more people out there doing the same diabolical scheme to force feed animals like ducks and geese so they can be slaughtered within weeks. People who are not aware of that "French cuisine" is a fatty meal should take caution it is like eating out of a grease bucket.
Ringvireot 3 weeks ago
The market should decide, or government should control everything. Americans, pick one.
jbrains762 3 weeks ago in playlist Reason.tv Documentary
liver or with a non-fatty liver. The poor duck still dies. Now you know why many people are vegetarians.
weimlove64 3 weeks ago
As a veterinarian that has had to force feed many sick avian patients over the years, I can tell you that once they have recovered to the point of regaining their appetite, they will approach me to be fed again. Even if they were well enough to eat on their own, I will still force feed them to make sure they were receiving the correct dose of their medication. The ducks are not being force fed to point of liver failure and illness. Sick ducks are not butchered for human consumption. No fatty
weimlove64 3 weeks ago
How do you "force-feed" a species that will not stop eating on its own?
HomelessOnline 3 weeks ago in playlist Reason.tv Documentary
I will KISS for some of you. When you eat a big plate of veggies just think of all of the creatures that were killed or displaced to make that meal. Veggies grow in dirt one needs lots of dirt to grow lots of veggies. Animals live in and on top the dirt. When a farmer plows the land to prepare it for planting animals are killed.
jmvmike 3 weeks ago in playlist Reason.tv Documentary
Don't like foie gras? Don't eat it! And in that same vein, "Don't like guns? Then don't have one!"
HomelessOnline 3 weeks ago in playlist Reason.tv Documentary
That animal rights guy is a weasel. He may not have been directly involved in the crime breaking but he sure as hell approved of it.
Draanor 3 weeks ago in playlist Reason.tv Documentary
good Lord it i sknows for 30 years how terrible those animals suffer. It is hard to believe they still sell this shit!
Winterfairy777 3 weeks ago in playlist Reason.tv Documentary
I have been to the Hudson valley, and saw the "force-feeding" of ducks first-hand. When the man with the bucket of corn approached the area where the ducks were being kept, they LITERALLY stampeded him. They were pushing and shoving each other to be first. Interpret that any way you wish. Having said that, I would like to ad that I have gazed into the eyes of ducks, and haven't seen much gazing back at me. Why not focus our energy on the treatment of HUMAN BEINGS, Earth's only sentient species.
mrcoffey 3 weeks ago in playlist Reason.tv Documentary 2
@mrcoffey who says we are the only sentient species
hoosierhiver 3 weeks ago in playlist Reason.tv Documentary
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@hoosierhiver "who says we are the only sentient species" If by "sentient" we mean "conscious", no one. If by "sentient" we mean "capable of reason", the vast majority of the scientific community. My point is that any expenditure of energy in the defense of ducks (mindless, stupid, swimming/eating/shitting machines) when SO MANY humans are suffering around the globe, is obscene. If saving ducks is what you're about, so be it. Personally, I'm about helping humans; an imperfect species, but mine.
mrcoffey 3 weeks ago
@mrcoffey where on earth do you get the idea that we are the only sentient species?
xcvsdxvsx 3 weeks ago in playlist Reason.tv Documentary
@xcvsdxvsx; @hoosierhiver;
If we aren't the ony sentient species, we have no way as of yet to communicate with other sentient species on Earth, so it is not unreasonable that we act like we alone are sentient for the present.
That is unless you two have secret evidence of sentient duck civilizations which you haven't shared.
GetRealPolitik 3 weeks ago
@xcvsdxvsx Please see my response to hoosierhiver.
mrcoffey 3 weeks ago
Foie Gras is so fucking good, fuck all hippie haters..
Imfenion 3 weeks ago in playlist Reason.tv Features
Animals can feel pain too. There is no ethical content at all in this video except "animals have no rights, and humans have the right to torture innocent and harmless animals for there pleasure." Its ironic to talk about freedom of choice while denying any rights at all to the victims of those choices. It would be like saying that someone that wants to ban slavery is trying to take away the rights of the plantation owner
mjbarrowful 3 weeks ago in playlist Reason.tv Documentary
that farmer attacked himself. false flag!
sensibuddz 3 weeks ago in playlist Reason.tv Documentary
PETA = People for the Eating of Tasty Animals. I'm going to eat what I want, regardless of the law. Fuck you animal rights activists!
mdaugherty1988 3 weeks ago in playlist Reason.tv Features 2
If you don't like Foie Gras, don't eat it and it will become unpopular anyways and go out of business. Bans are immoral in themselves, vote through the marketplace instead.
MadPutz 3 weeks ago in playlist Reason.tv Documentary
Duck is disgusting.
liOVERLOADil 3 weeks ago
what the hell is the point in both producing it and banning it. If people could just start caring about shit that matters, this wouldn't even be an issue..
fjoo 3 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
if you do not like it -- don't buy it.
wdlong01 1 month ago
hippies hate mankind, its a reason why they are murdering scientists and in this case even chefs and farmers and threatening their families.
killerbee2k 1 month ago
Aside from the inhumane treatment of the innocent animal, it looks like it would be loaded with fat and cholesterol, and a disgusting taste.
jjlinert 1 month ago
Only the french could come up with such a barbaric thing.
What on earth are they thinking?
Thank god we tharshed their arses at Waterloo!
Drobium77 1 month ago
@Drobium77; This from a man of the same country that is the originator of such culinary delights like haggis, jellied eels, and black pudding?
GetRealPolitik 3 weeks ago
@GetRealPolitik What's wrong with those?
We built the world's biggest ever empire feeding our men on such a diet.
And I'm rather fond of haggis and black pudding.
Brain's faggots are yummy too!
I love offal!
Om nom nom!
Drobium77 3 weeks ago
@Drobium77 didnt the video just say that foie gras was invented in Egypt ......
jwka2001 3 weeks ago
I think foie gras is okay to eat, but some of the feeding methods sound a bit harsh like force feeding, but many are allowed to graze say on carrots, and they still consume a lot of food without being force fed. There's absolutely nothing wrong with preferring animal products when the animals are allowed to have a more comfortable life rather than being stuck in a small space. The life of an animal is nothing compared to a human life, but I'd rather animals live in comfort before being harvested
beigelycheenut 1 month ago
@beigelycheenut I'd like to add that that force feeding sucks, but it should stay legal. Due to the physiology of ducks, it's not completely awful, but if people vote with their dollar for somewhat more humane treatment, then those methods will become cheaper just like people opting for more environment friendly products. It's a great thing, but people shouldn't be forced to buy them.
beigelycheenut 1 month ago
Warm Blooded Herbivores: 1) Cool themselves by sweating 2) Can move mouth side to side 3) Intestine is 7 to 15 times length of body 4) Never die of clogged arteries from eating meat
Warm Blooded Carnivores (cats) and Omnivores (dogs): 1) Cool by panting 2) Can only move mouth up/down 3) Intestine is 3 to 5 times length of body 4) Eating meat can result in premature death
"A lion is not a slave to the keeper who feeds it, for fear is the mark of a slave." - Diogenes of Sinope
wasuretta 1 month ago
@wasuretta I got the clogged arteries mixed up - but get the point
wasuretta 1 month ago
@wasuretta Warm Blooded Herbivores: 1) Frequently killed and eaten by omnivores and carnivores
mrcoffey 3 weeks ago
@mrcoffey - Actually, since we are the warm blooded herbivores doing all the killing it seems that the herbivores are the most deadly.
wasuretta 3 weeks ago
@wasuretta Human beings are, and always have been, OMNIVORES. That's why some of your teeth are pointy.
mrcoffey 3 weeks ago
@mrcoffey ...? Hippopotamus? To name one? We more fall more accurately under multi gastral herbivores. Our canines are hardly 'pointy' and most of them aren't curved at all as is on display in most carnivores and omnivores...
slipknot95maggot 3 weeks ago in playlist Reason.tv Documentary
@slipknot95maggot You're confusing tusks, used for defense, with canines, used for eating. You are wrong about our dietary classification. The fact that we require amino acids which our bodies cannot synthesize should be a clue.
mrcoffey 3 weeks ago
@mrcoffey - Hello! Elephants have pointy teeth - so do giraffe - monkeys all herbivores have pointed teeth exactly where ours are.. They are called incisors and they are used to eat fruit. Omnivores do not get clogged arteries from eating meat.
wasuretta 3 weeks ago
@wasuretta Elephants have tusks. Incisors (front teeth of humans) are different than canines (pointy teeth of humans). Monkeys are most assuredly omnivores, as are all apes. Humans are a species of ape. Now go kill and eat something.
mrcoffey 3 weeks ago
@mrcoffey - Monkeys and apes are herbivores. Their intestinal tract is too long to be an omnivore. Thou shalt not kill is a commandment from God - you must be godless? Even a lion will not eat a cooked steak until it has been trained to do so - do you eat your meat raw? There is no nutritional value in cooked meat. All animals instinctually avoid cooked meat until trained to eat it.
"A lion is not a slave to the keeper who feeds it - for fear is the mark of a slave." - Diogenes of Sinope
wasuretta 3 weeks ago
You are WRONG. Its SO EASY to research this. Why do you argue? Of COURSE I am godless! I am also Santa-less, tooth-fairy-less, Zeus-less. MONKEYS APES AND HUMANS ( a type of APE) are FUCKING OMNIVORES! Ask ANY biologist. IT IS A FACT. NOW GO KILL SOMETHING AND EAT IT! By the way, do you kill your veggies before you eat them? One last thing, a little "ad hominem", you are a fucking idiot.
mrcoffey 3 weeks ago
@mrcoffey - Thank you for calling me an idiot as you type in all caps, result to insults, and tell me to take things as fact (such as flouride is good for teeth) you strengthen my resolve and I take being called an idiot by you as a compliment. Omnivores pant, you sweat. Omnivores can only move mouths up/down, you can move side-to-side. Omnivores do not eat cooked meat, so to stick by your principle you must eat it raw. God is nature, you are against nature as an omnivore. Self explanatory.
wasuretta 2 weeks ago
@wasuretta This is from Richard Fehon, professor of zoology at the University of Chicago, who was kind enough to give me two minutes of his time: "Monkeys, apes, and humans are all omnivores. The word omnivore simply means an animal is ABLE to eat meat. In the case of the orangutan, for instance, we have an omnivore, an animal that CAN eat meat, but has never been observed doing so. Gorillas rarely eat meat. Baboons and chimps eat it frequently".
Are you now going to contradict a zoologist?
mrcoffey 2 weeks ago
@mrcoffey - "Gorillas rarely eat meat." This is news to me. I thought they never ate meat. What meat do they eat and how do they get it, by hunting?
pandaya 2 weeks ago
@pandaya they slay their own kin and eat eachother.
ICANSEEMATUREVIDSNOW 2 weeks ago in playlist Reason.tv Features
@pandaya News to me as well. The way it was explained to me is that gorillas are opportunistic, meaning if they come across carrion or an abandoned kill, they'll eat them some meat. As far as I know, they don't hunt.Chimps, on the other hand, have been observed killing and eating animals, which I find creepy, for some reason. The word "omnivore" doesn't mean "MUST eat meat", it just refers to animals that are ABLE to eat meat, which all primates are.
mrcoffey 2 weeks ago
@wasuretta Almost forgot...your confusing CARNIVORE with OMNIVORE (I use caps because I can't use italics). "to stick by your principle you must eat it raw." I don't eat meat based on any PRINCIPLE, you pompous, faux erudite, shit-head. DO RESEARCH. Gather FACTS. CHECK YOUR FACTS. It took me less than 20 minutes to get a response from Dr. Fehon, a PHD in ZOOLOGY. It takes you no time at all to pull errant bullshit out of the fetid mass you call a brain.
mrcoffey 2 weeks ago
@mrcoffey - you are very hateful and immature - this is my last reply only because I love all mankind. In Fehon`s case PhD means Piled higher and Deeper. You can eat wood if you like. You will die early. You can eat fesces if you like. You can drink your piss if you like. Nature on the other hand will take care of those who violate nature. Chimps do not eat meat frequently as Fehon states. It is extremely rare and nature kills them off, same like it does to humans. Have a nice day
wasuretta 2 weeks ago
People often compare the plight of farm animals as if they were humans. Ducks and humans have different physiological attributes that influences they way we feel and eat. As noted in the video below, ducks can consume enormous amounts of food, have stronger throats than ours, and have no gag reflex. Furthermore, most farmers make it humanely as dead animals do not sell. Anthony Bourdain on No Reservations, Foie Gras Not Cruel
Foie Gras is like filet minion with a buttery and silky texture.
JiC87 1 month ago 8
Anyone else curious about how Foie Gras tastes after watching this?
loszhor 1 month ago 7
@loszhor If animal rights people cared, they wouldn't talk about this nitch food... because now I want to try it!!
liOVERLOADil 3 weeks ago
meat is murder.
sWeepingsAnd 1 month ago
@sWeepingsAnd only if you change the definition of murder, and while you're doing that why not include plants they're alive too.
justintempler 1 month ago
@justintempler I'm not changing the definition of murder.
Plants aren't sentient.
Murder doesn't include non-sentient life.
sWeepingsAnd 1 month ago
@sWeepingsAnd You already have by tacking on the word sentient and in order to include sentience you would have to redefine sentience to exclude insects so that's 2 definitions you would have to change.
justintempler 1 month ago
It seems like this skirts the issue of is this really animal cruelty or not.
joshfultondotblogspo 1 month ago
It doesn't look like those ducks are having a good time. The guy against this food should have his members sit outside these restaurants and give out pamphlets so people are aware of what they're paying for. They should be allowed freedom of speech.
zdrux 1 month ago
@zdrux
They do exercise that right.
Theotherotherother 1 month ago
Is it necessary to overfeed the ducks in order to have foie gras? Is duck liver not large enough to eat unless this process is administered? I am genuinely curious.
I watched the short film Meet Your Meat and it was disturbing, I ultimately want to stop eating meat because I believe it is unnecessary for our survival. We need to be reminded that this industry can be cruel and we don't have do this to animals that obviously exhibit distress in these environments we humans force them into.
jimlovesgina 1 month ago
I'm a meat eater and a libertarian, but a lot of this pro-meat propaganda from libertarian circles bothers me a lot. It's like they want to just ignore the ethical discussion at all and just say "well, animals aren't humans and only humans have rights..." The same argument was used to support slavery, and it was just as invalid back then. Humans don't "have rights", rights are made up. We design them. And there is no reason to ignore the possibility of treating animals more humanely.
jrgenkratz 1 month ago
@jrgenkratz "It's like they want to just ignore the ethical discussion at all and just say "well, animals aren't humans and only humans have rights...""
Would every individual animal be an equally capable agent of creation in a free market with property-rights, capital markets, etc.? If not, where would be the objective basis for granting every individual animal equal liberty in such a free market?
hitssquad 1 month ago
@hitssquad Why is that a relevant criterion? What does the market even have to do with it? We are talking about ethics. Human individuals aren't even "equally capable agents of creation in a free market with property-rights, capital markets, etc". I didn't even mention the term "liberty" or the term "equality", you are just putting words in my mouth. But if your criterion is valid, does that mean we are allowed to eat children and mentally retarded humans too?
jrgenkratz 1 month ago
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@jrgenkratz "Human individuals aren't [...] "equally capable agents of creation in a free market with property-rights, capital markets, etc"."
Yes. I just said that.
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"We are talking about ethics."
No. *You're* talking about ethics. Your ethics. Your arbitrary ethics. An arbitrary ethics that might change tomorrow.
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"I didn't even mention [...] "liberty" or [...] "equality""
Hmmm. You don't remember saying this?: "The same argument was used to support slavery". What's the opposite of slavery?
hitssquad 1 month ago
@jrgenkratz "But if your criterion is valid, does that mean we are allowed to eat children and mentally retarded"
It means it might be more economically efficient to vary the amount of individual liberty one is allowed based on his potential for acting as a creative agent in a free-market society with property-rights. Society already does that to some degree. Note the greater amounts of liberty granted to adults, in comparison to adolescents, and to adolescents in comparison to children.
hitssquad 1 month ago
@jrgenkratz have you considered the idea that your not a libertarian.
jwka2001 3 weeks ago
where in the Constitution are the rights of animals protected?
soicuw 1 month ago
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imatelly 1 month ago
I hate to be that guy, but I've seen humane foie gras farms and it's hard for you to think these animals are in pain or are being harmed when they literally line up like puppies waiting to be fed. They naturally eat alot, especially in "flight" seasons when they think naturally they need to stuff up for flight. They also can't really choke, these animals often eat whole fish and things in the wild. The only way you can really choke them is to literally do it with your hands on their neck.
Theotherotherother 1 month ago 7
@Theotherotherother In natural circumstances they eat to make their liver so fucked up that it swells 5 to10 times the normal size. And we know that because it is observed that some birds swallow a whole fish. And the frequency that they do this is of course not important. And where can I see this lining up of these ducks? Because all I see are sick ducks being miserable in their own feces in little cages, in where they can’t move.
TerrierBram 1 month ago
@TerrierBram Ah the myth of the free-range foie gras duck. I also the argument that these ducks "line-up" to be fed is pretty irrelevant, obese pets come on call to be fed, and I'm pretty sure if I offered nothing but cookies and sweets to my daughter she would eat with reckless abandon, but she'd be a very sick kid in a very short amount of time.
xxcrysad3000xx 1 month ago
@xxcrysad3000xx It comes down that western life style of more and more caused that people lost the essential respect for life, and exchanged it unconsciously for pleasure, and being miserable in between the pleasure moments. Hence the money that is made by the pharmaceutical industry. And now they put up mental detours when they earn off these pleasure moment industries or when the state pays for their tricks. As long it fits in the banksters plan, you know, they will be paid.
TerrierBram 1 month ago
@xxcrysad3000xx
Well, the pet argument is pretty irrelevant, because you aren't fattening your pets for slaughter, and neither your daughter. You expect them to live a full life. I really highly doubt that the ducks feed is cookies and sweets only. The only thing I can suggest to you is to visit one of these places yourself rather then just drawing conclusions from behind of computer screen.
Theotherotherother 1 month ago
@TerrierBram
Find the nearest humane foie gras farm near you. You might not be close to one. You can hear and see it from the guy who actually works with the animals rather then just hearing it from a guy on the internet. You have to understand that I'm talking about the people who raise these birds to produce wonderful product, not sub par mass factory shit. I'm sure you know there's a difference between humane chicken farming and something like Tyson chicken.
Theotherotherother 1 month ago
@Theotherotherother Impossible, prohibited in my country.
TerrierBram 1 month ago
@TerrierBram
Then why are you arguing something you can't see for yourself.
Theotherotherother 1 month ago
@Theotherotherother No that’s true, hold on, I have to boil water, so I am busy with my bow and stick to generate enough heat to ignite this wood.
TerrierBram 1 month ago
@Theotherotherother And why do you pick out this point that fits in your brilliant discussion plan, while ignoring other points like: why should an animal in natural circumstance makes his liver ill by eating so much that his liver becomes 5 to 10 times bigger. What about internet, TV, news paper? What about not displaying a really interesting level of reasoning, what you just did. Good grief, you remind me of some of George Carlin's content, quite explicitly.
TerrierBram 1 month ago
@TerrierBram
Well, if you did anything foodwise by natural circumstance, especially for meat, you would be eating bare bones low quality items. And when I say that, I mean no human involvement, no seed selecting, no farming. Think if you can of a chicken that is raised on a farm, and one that is born and raised wild and only eats scraps. The farm chicken is no doubt going to be a better product then the starving, dirty wild chicken.
Theotherotherother 1 month ago
@Theotherotherother No I won’t. And the proof is obvious. Petro chemical induced farming techniques just came across in the fifties, so what did people eat before that? While having heavy labour at hand by hand? Bare bones? No they didn’t. This more and more paradigm is coming to an end. But the supermarket just has to be empty before the majority start to dig it. Balance and respecting life will save some. The fittest of the fittest who do pay respect to life. Force feeding doesn’t fit in.
TerrierBram 1 month ago
@TerrierBram
Do you know the history of farming and agriculture? I'm not just talking about chemical or GMO farming, I'm talking about seed selecting, and basic and ancient agriculture practice. My example was used to reflect that.
Theotherotherother 1 month ago
@Theotherotherother My point was that the animal's behavior seemed to suggest to one of the speaker's in the video that they wanted to be fed and quite possibly liked the process (since they lined up to do so). All I was trying to say was that all kinds of behaviors can be conditioned, that rationale is faulty, so therefore we should throw out his argument, not mine.
xxcrysad3000xx 1 month ago
@Theotherotherother Actually we DO eat free range chicken. They are chickens that are raised in the out-of-doors, and allowed to eat bugs, seeds and grasses, instead of spending their lives in a small box, unable to move and having their beaks cut off so they cannot peck the next chicken in similar box two inches away.
The meat from a free range chicken is firmer, less fat, and has a lot more flavor. Watch a video from a normal chicken factory. you will change your mind,
Scorianos 1 month ago
@Scorianos
I don't know why you are telling me this. I am well aware of free range chicken.
Theotherotherother 1 month ago
@TerrierBram
I don't know what you want to know about internet, television, or the newspaper. As far as you thinking I'm not displaying a "interesting level of reasoning" I would have to say that it's subjective and it doesn't fit your views so you are instantly not going to agree and think I'm a moron.
Theotherotherother 1 month ago
@Theotherotherother I still can see many thing via the referred media though and they appear as directly derived from reality though. Including pictures of foie grass farms, and how they operate. So, yes, that was a pretty stupid comment of you.
TerrierBram 1 month ago
@TerrierBram
I'm talking about american humane farms. I don't think you are making that connection. I think mass factory foie gras should be shut down. I'm telling you a basic fundamental fact of seeing it for yourself. You say you can't do that, so by my scorecard you have zero credibility about exactly what I'm talking. I don't understand what you are gaining if you are just going to turn this argument into a schoolyard name calling match.
Theotherotherother 1 month ago
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@TerrierBram
I'm talking about american humane farms. I don't think you are making that connection. I think mass factory foie gras should be shut down. I'm telling you a basic fundamental fact of seeing it for yourself. You say you can't do that, so by my scorecard you have zero credibility about exactly what I'm talking. I don't understand what you are gaining if you are just going to turn this argument into a schoolyard name calling match.
Theotherotherother 1 month ago
@Theotherotherother For the chicken thing, if I eat chicken products they have at least EKO (SKAL) qualification. Good for the taste, nutrients, and the animal. But I pushing towards my own chicken, because already in Italy they corrupted the ecological food market. Of course in Italy.
TerrierBram 1 month ago
Research your body - you are not a carnivore. You are not an omnivore. Wonder what you could be?
wasuretta 1 month ago
@wasuretta - actually we are omnivores. It doesn't really matter wether we consume meat or vegetables. Our body produces digestive enzymes to break down the sugars, proteins, and lipids we eat into glucose, amino acids and fatty acids. Doesn't matter the source, our body will break it down and use it! But, since we lack a multi-chambered stomach, the only natural stuff we truly can't digest are polysaccharides (although still important for homo sapiens to consume).
AcidreignWB 1 month ago
FYI, here's the viewpoint of J. Kenji Lopez-Alt, a respected food scientist and chef with indeterminate political leaning.
seriouseats(dot)com/2010/12/the-physiology-of-foie-why-foie-gras-is-not-u.html
seinjunkie 1 month ago
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5:37 This guy is distorting the issue. The case the government makes against allowing raw milk and raw milk products is centered around those products supposedly being harmful to humans. This is something that should be left up to individuals to decide. But this particular issue of the way they prepare these ducks has to do with a legitimate argument about cruelty to animals, not alleged harm to the consumer of the product.
dubified89 1 month ago
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dubified89 1 month ago
I'm against the government having anything to do with what people eat. I'm also personally against raising ducks that way. If ducks naturally eat like that, then put whole fish in a bucket and let them eat that way?... Why has that not occurred to them then?
Don't buy it, and don't give the government a job it isn't supposed to have.
bluepurplegreen758 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@bluepurplegreen758 It was stated in the video that not too many people buy it to begin with. It's an expensive delicacy. A pretty f'd up one if you ask me. Just eat a fucking normal duck.
dubified89 1 month ago
"Both the American Veterinary Medical Association's House of Delegates and the American Association of Avian Pathologists have concluded that foie is not a product of animal cruelty."
I'll go with the science and freedom on this one.
LibertarianINT 1 month ago
I'd like to ram that stainless steal tube down Bryan Pease's throat and fatten his liver.
karozans 1 month ago
@karozans That's a pretty messed up thing to say.
dubified89 1 month ago
I dunno, I tend to agree with the Reason folks, but this deos seem to border on cruelty. The ducks are being force fed insane amounts of fat to bloat thier gut, just for someone's tastes. I'm not a vegan or anything, but I do not support putting animals through needless pain.
dogagas 1 month ago
@dogagas It's not too different from most meat products. I'm in favor of having some animal cruelty laws (because I don't consider animals simply another form of property) - but ban/restrict the procedures, not the product itself.
DarthKrattus 1 month ago
@dogagas I agree. I consider myself a libertarian but there are still limits, acts which are considered legitimately criminal and I think the way these ducks are prepared qualifies as that.
dubified89 1 month ago
Really I think this was a bad issue for Reason to jump on. Most of the videos I find to be completely on target, they're on the right side without question. This one at best merits skepticism of the supposedly pro-liberty side.
dubified89 1 month ago
at the least, not at best
dubified89 1 month ago
"This isn't a product that anyone thinks should be consumed, really," says Pease.
Yet it has a market, so somebody wants it.
MaxStirner4Lyfe 1 month ago
@MaxStirner4Lyfe Child pornography also has a market value but it doesn't mean we should tolerate it.
dubified89 1 month ago
@dubified89 You don't see a difference between a farm raised duck and a human child?
kev3d 1 month ago
@kev3d Of course I do, but the premise of the statement seemed to imply that the poster thought that just because something has a level of demand in the market makes it inherently okay. So I cited child porn as an example of something that has market demand but should be illegal for obvious reasons.
dubified89 1 month ago
@dubified89 That misses my point. Pease was saying that foie gras should be taken off the market and it doesn't matter to anyone because no one really wants it anyway. I was saying that that was a contradiction because people are paying for it. There could be reasons why something should be taken off the market, but the idea that people don't really want something that is selling is buncombe.
MaxStirner4Lyfe 1 month ago
I've never heard of foie gras before, but it looks tasty.
MaxStirner4Lyfe 1 month ago
Bringing up the fact the activist vandalized the farmers' property was a red herring. The argument made by the animal activist is that the farmers' activities are cruel and inhumane, the vandalism claims is unrelated to the argument and only serves to divert the conversation away from it's central premise.
InCriticalReason 1 month ago
@InCriticalReason Though it was off topic, I still thought it was interesting enough to be included.
MaxStirner4Lyfe 1 month ago
When getting my MBA, I studied this issue and personally believe the Devalge is a bad practice; however, there were some details you left out. First, there are Foie Gras that does not utilize the method mentioned in this video. This is a more natural method to harvest Foie Gras.
Being more Libertarian, I am against the bans on Foie Gras. There are some who enjoy Foie Gras but freely choose more humane methods of Foie Gras. Like organic farming, I think consumer education is the solution.
DRDecrease 1 month ago
I reckon this is like anything else in life. Don't like it don't eat it. Get people to stop eating it to stop the practice, but don't mess around with individual freedoms.
endospores 1 month ago
duck liver sounds tasty... expensive, but tasty
halomandrummer 1 month ago
Look if enough people stop eating at the restaurants that serve Foi Graus and not enough of those restaurants patrons order it, then guess what? They'll stop serving it. As less places serve it, less places will buy it from the farmers, those farmers will change the amount they produce, change what type of meat they produce, or shut down. End of Fois Graus can happen without laws if that's what you really want.
Celebrian666 1 month ago
I loved the video of the cormorant when he said "they can swallow a whole fish." Different species hahaha
TheEloquentAndrew 1 month ago
Look i think Foie Gras is disgusting (morally and culinary), i would never eat it or support its trade with my dollars. But it doesn't seem to be any more in violation of animal rights than any other meat processing where animals are fed a strict diet of hormones. This is something for the free market to handle and not the government. Educate the public and let them decide, don't turn to government force to impose your morals on other consenting adults.
jrikus 1 month ago 27
@jrikus "This is something for the free market to handle and not the government."
So you are saying that animal cruelty is something that should be available to people if they desire it? What about cruelty to children? Something for the free market to sort out? Child porn anyone?
DrSpooglemon 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@DrSpooglemon Next thing you know, they'll legalize crashing cars into limousines carrying famous actresses as a means of titillation. Then murder will be legalized for the same reason. After it's too late to do anything, we'll all be selling the skulls of young children as coffee mugs.
MaxStirner4Lyfe 1 month ago
@DrSpooglemon youre a douche, and child porn should be illegal even in a free market because it is child abuse, and form of child abuse should be illegal. And the real cases of animal cruelty are few and far between, but they cause such huge overreactions.
34lbs 1 month ago
@34lbs The argument typically is that the porn should be illegal, but viewing it should not be.
beigelycheenut 1 month ago
@beigelycheenut buying it should be illegal aswell, it goes to funding child abuse. But don't worry im not one of those nuts who think the government should police the internet for child porn.
34lbs 1 month ago
@34lbs Yes, you could say buying an illegal product that is illegal for a reason such as abuse is okay in my mind. It's just like buying stolen property. I still think people shouldn't be charged for watching it; although, I'd have to muster all I have to not punch the scumbag in the face if I met him... or her... but let's face it, prolly him.
beigelycheenut 1 month ago
@DrSpooglemon As usual you tree huggers are always taking things out of context. Comparing animals with children makes a lot of sense right? In that case how about stop doing weed? Illegal drugs cause more cruelty to people and the society than animal "cruelty". Oh but I forgot you greenies love to smoke it! So that must be out of the question (according to you). Spoiled Brats! Beg to God you and your family will always have enough to eat, animal or not, the day you won't will be a sad one!
angelmtza 1 month ago
@angelmtza Weed smoking tree hugger? Why don't you just fuck off?
DrSpooglemon 1 month ago
"You're actually seeking to induce a disease in the animal. Essentially you're creating a liver that's over 10 times its normal size." This claim is never disputed. "Funnel"? What about the metal pipe that's attached to the funnel, and shoved down the ducks' throats as they fight to escape?
dannyelstein 1 month ago
With all of the wars going on in the world, I find it pathetic that these assholes use their time to protest for animal rights when humans are being slaughtered on a daily basis.
Protest the wars first and then worry about everything else.
truefictions 1 month ago
When there is abuse, the evidence should be presented, media campaigns can take place and if people agree then the foie gras market will diminish voluntarily.
The violence of government is not the solution to abuse of animals.
landofthefreemyass 1 month ago
Its stops when we stop eating animals!!!
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aseredy 1 month ago
I'm a libertarian on almost everything, but I'm not sure I'd necessarily oppose laws preventing extreme animal cruelty. Surely there must come a point where an animal is subjected to so much torture that human freedom can be restricted for it? After all, what's great about markets and liberty is that it prevents suffering... just because the suffering in this case is non-human, I don't think it means we shouldn't care...
simonatwarwick 1 month ago
@simonatwarwick You are absolutely correct! But at what point is is justifiable to employ the violence of the state in order to conform individuals to the world view of a minority. Education, leading by example, and providing rational arguments is the virtuous solution. Though a gun is much faster.
aseredy 1 month ago
@simonatwarwick
Would you buy from someone you knew to be abusive to animals?
MrTrenchcoatguy 1 month ago 3
Virtually every law ever created is worse than the behavior it was meant to end. I won't buy foie gras because I find the process creepy and disgusting. After being inside a chicken farm I buy cage free eggs. Information and choice make a better world, laws make bigger prisons.
icopaseticMHF 1 month ago 2
@icopaseticMHF
Exactly! I am opposed to it for the same reasons and VOLUNTARILY choose to not buy it. But I do NOT think new laws accomplish anything.
landofthefreemyass 1 month ago
I guess it will all balance out. People are getting fewer rights while animals are getting more. No problem.
carcabe 1 month ago
Interesting. I vote FREEDOM! these cats like to pass laws restricting everyone instead of just campaigning to educate and convince people by REASON to change their mind
nottinmatterz2day 1 month ago 10
@nottinmatterz Oh poo! This is simply about profit. If the uber rich (aka 1%) would stop eating this then there would not be a market; greed is NOT good!
jsbach15 1 month ago
@jsbach15 Poor people are perfectly capable of cruelty to animals as well. Look at dog fighting.
dubified89 1 month ago
entered without breaking
nottinmatterz2day 1 month ago
Find out is force feeding ducks/geese hurting them,if so find a way to do it without pain,don't ban food,ban cruelty,there is a non cruel way to do anything.
olhsaoagpaigfbp 1 month ago