@blacksabbathgnr098 oh? I though capitalism was a system of ownership in which a private employer controlled the work place and means of production.
In other words, your boss owns your job, decides what wage you will be paid irrespective of labor value or company earnings, and can deprive you of income while siphoning the wealth produced by your labor to the top.
That's what capitalism is. Trade isn't capitalism, neither is owning a shirt or a house.
@Laughingblades Your idea of capitalism is false. You make it sound like capitalism favors an absence of government intervention in the market place. And while this is true when it comes to things like trade barriers and wages, the role of government in a capitalism is vital for protecting a competitive nature between entities. True capitalism eradicates monopolies.
And boss don't simply choose what wage you receive. It's a factor of supply and demand, just like prices of goods.
@blacksabbathgnr098 No my idea of capitalism is the definition of the word capitalism. Capitalism has nothing to do with whether or not there's a government, capitalism is a system of ownership in which a private owner controls the work place and means of production, essentially work place feudalism where your boss controls your income.
So you favor state capitalism or state regulated capitalism over lolbertardian anarchocapitalism I take it? There's always surplus labor btw
I do not agree that socialism is a transitional stage, and socialism doesn't eliminate labor for wealth it eliminates labor for wages, wealth is still generated.
But there are many socialist philosophies and socialist models, ranging from libertarian socialism to cooperative market socialism to state socialism. The term is ambiguous, two socialist societies could end up working very differently.
@aminizle "75% of chinese economy is state-controled."
Dipshit, it is not. Anyhow, what made China grow by 10 % over the past 30 years were NEOLIBERAL MARKET ORIENTED REFORMS such as free market and trade, private property, that led to an enourmous influx of foreign capital and know-how.
With China it is pretty black and white: under Mao: a COMMUNISTIC SHITHOLE after 30 years of CAPTALISTIC refroms: tremendous PROSPERITY and growing FREEDOM.
@LeonSkottKennedey socialism is where the people collectively chip in to provide for "basic" needs of the society (basic= varies per society common examples are education,infrastructure,health care etc)
@LeonSkottKennedey it doesnt matter what my view is on how a society should function. i am simply pointing out that this video is a deliberate attempt to misinform. thats all
Socialism, communism, liberalism, capitalism, etc., .... nothing but man made systems and doctrines taking the place (instead) of GOD. So when ever one puts man and money before GOD he or she will be the slave of such a man and money. With our freedom we gave control over our lifes to the man ... and know we learned what "man can do for us" ... ready to ask GOD for forgiveness? 2 Chronicles 7:14
@YesImOneOFMany "Communism brought modernization to many countries, and in places like N. Korea, China, and Myanmar,"
Dipshit, any attempt of "modernization" and industrialization by communists ended in a COMPLETE NIGHTMARE, you brain amputated monkey. Collectivization under Stalin, 14 mil. dead, "great" leap forward under Mao 45 mil. dead, NKorea 4 mil. dead, Pol Pot 4 mil dead.
Why do not leftists like you try with HISTORICAL FACTS??
@SuperMasterEdge it is a society where the workers are empowered and overthrow the bourgeoisie who leech off of their labor. there are no 'middle men.' business does not influence the laws that govern our country. war is avoided, and the wealthy minority will not be able to invade another country (i.e. iraq) in the interest of pursuing capital. the elected politicians actually follow their promised policy. the labor of extracting natural resources is payed for, not for the actual resource...
@supermasteredge ...as the resources of our planet can't be rightfully owned. the worker is actually payed for his true value of labour, after funds are deducted to pursue social improvements. polluting factories will suffer a reduction in pay to compensate for the damage they do to society. the economy is centrally planned to allow factories. human rights are respected! i'd go on but i really wanna watch some tv D:
and the only way is through revolution, i would prefer it to be non-violent
@chicheater1 first of all resources can be rightfully owned if they are claimed non-violently. the value of specific types of work is subjective and it's efficient if the worker & employer decided the pay based on market prices. "deducting funds" means taxation or seizure of property under under threat of violence(which is immoral). Central planning ultimately fails since no number of people can efficiently coordinate the allocation of resources to situations as they arise. free markets needed
@Ravengaurd6 How do you tell a communist? Well, it is someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-communist. Well, it is someone who understands Marx and Lenin.
@chicheater1 the economy is centrally planned to allow factories to be constructed in areas where they are actually needed to reduce logistics cost which is in effect a 'middleman'
@chicheater1 Dipshit, I was waiting for such an idiotic and false comment. First, Lenin himself introduced terror and a dictatorship to Russia, simply out of knowing that communism is not possible in FFREEDOM. When freedom exists, you will have as a result, what communist hate the most: INEQUALITY, simply because men are NOT EQUAL, but some are more successful than others. As simple as that ...
And dipshit, there is not state/country that can be "stateless".
@chicheater1 imperfect isn't broken. broken is making people starve with inefficient central planning. it's destroying neighbor hoods with regulations on small businesses and rent controls on apartments.it's forming pacts with large businesses and rescuing them when they should have gone bankrupt.
broken is going in with good intentions that are lauded and leaving with bad results that are ignored or forgotten.
broken is threatening citizens with violence for money to then bribe them with it.
@Ravengaurd6 "China has made more progress on ecology and green efforts then any Western nation,"
Dipshit China has made a lot of progress since 1980, because they introduced CAPITALISTIC reforms and with them a lot of Western companies invested their money and TECHNOLOGY in China.
@SuperMasterEdge "Why do people get jobs and go work?" To get income to survive and/or live the life as they desire... But the goal is not to work,, the goal is to get the desired income...
This is the main fallacy among socialist... They want everybody to work... But everybody in the Sovjet Union had a job... BUT the jobs where unproductive. (People didn't get the income for their desires... Many people even starved)...
Work is actually undesired,, it is the income that is the goal.
@bjarnet3 "Reducing the net consumption to zero is exactly what one of the means of ecology is. How is this a bad thing?"
Dipshit, people live in poverty and misery in communism, but still at this low level of economic activity, the communists polluted the environment much more than any other country.
Dipshit, the former GDR was an ecological nightmare, bcs the government there didnt care at all about the environment, while the level of environmental protection is very high in West GER
I didn't even watch the video.I'd much rather just troll the cpusa.Scumbags,liars.Always trying to paint a pretty picture of dictatorial imposition.The fact of the matter is that this a FREE country and you have no right to try to change that no matter how much you hate the fact that you are not entitled to what another has earned you.You do however have the right to leave the country and take your democrat friends with you.They don't want to work for their money either.
@stnwllstv You think this is a free country? Go try and start a protest against the government, talk to homosexuals, listen to Senators Mark Udall, Ron Widen, Ron Paul and Rand Paul talk about the Patriot Act, or try and negotiate for a living wage. You seem to be under this delusion that America has always been this way when in fact it has been constantly evolving. I love my country enough to recognize its faults and fight like hell to improve it. That is what true patriotism is.
@PwnageGravy First,you're a kid.Profile shows 19.Are you cpusa?If so you're a traitor not a patriot.If you are a democrat supporter you're a traitor not a patriot.Patriots don't support or engage in activities designed to collapse this country.When you grow up and KNOW what is going on as opposed to what you THINK is going on then we'll talk.Until then you haven't a leg to stand on.Not with me.Don't even try to.
Civilized thought is the belief that all of existence arises out of conflict, force, war. This is because civilization itself arose out of war, out of conquering and enslaving people. Anything which claims to liberate man really liberates one group of men while enslaving another. Anything said to the contrary is rhetoric, the use of language as a weapon. How sweet to bullshit your way to the top.
@Ravengaurd6 China is an excellent example. Before 1979, China was a rotten communist shithole where people live below the minimum of existence, had to suffer terror, murder, slavery. After introducing CAPITALISTIC reforms, China developped dynamically creating wealth and freedom for a vast majority of people. China s GDP grew 54 times since 1980!!!! Any QUESTIONS??
The Lord JESUS is king of this universe and all creation one day every knee and nation will bow down before CHRIST. before this will happen JESUS the lord told us that satan will decieve this world through the anti christ a false religious man who will make a one world order. The pope is the anti christ who controls the usa the freemasons the illumanati and jesuits they are all satan worshippers conspiring against God . they want to unite the world under the pope and satan but they will fail
Socialism need time to complete from communism. Who don't want to spend all life to see that heaven. They will like to live in capitalism. Can't say anything. But at least communism will not take your house, your life, and your work. Because it need people to make up, not money. Just work and your property will large up. If you want to have a good life now. You will lost anything if crisis held. That is the natural balance.
The difference between Socialism and Communism is that with Socialism you have some freedom with Classic Socialism. A little more freedom with Democratic Socialism. But there's no freedom with Communism.
@FRSFreeStateES And why do you think that is not possible in a pure communist society? Do you honestly think there is more freedom in a capitalist society?
@FRSFreeStateES I know perfectly well what socialism and communism are. You on the other hand are delusional when it comes to your perception of freedom and you also don't know a thing about communism.
Apparently you don't understand the difference between Communism and Socialism so I'll lay it out for you.
Communism is where the State has complete control of society. Where's there's no guaranteed freedom. Where people can't even decide for themselves where to work. North Korea for example.
Classical Socialism is where the State owns the Means to Production in Society. meaning the economy. Where there isn't a Private Sector. Like Cuba. But where there's some Social Freedom.
LOL apparently you never heard of the Soviet Union, the People Republic of China, North Korea, Cuba. All Communist Republics. Maybe your thinking of Libertarianism or Anarchy and have them mixed up.
LOL ah duh how can I read those things I'm an irrational 3 year old, you are a hell of a comedian I'll give you that. You must be high can I buy some of your pot?
LOL dude your high as a kite right now and you don't what you think about me. Maybe you'll know when you come down. But hey thanks for the laughs right always appreciative.
Hey, CPUSATUBE, why is this recording voice so weird, why the audio quality so bad??? Can t you pathetic commies get anything right?? Ah, welcome to the world of communism!!! Yiiiiippppiiieeehhh. But I guess my comment will be deleted here anyhow.
No need to spread the "news". Everybody knows that communism is the bloodiest, most oppressive, most despotic ideology that only brought death, ecological and economic disasters where it reigned. No need to spread the "news" about communism. Planned economy is the epitomacy of idiocy. What is good about communism?? What problem did communism effectively solve in history?? Name me only ONE country where communism did not end up in a rotten shithole?
i love how the speaker just casually talks about how humans in communism will just somehow lose all self interest and desire for improvement and be content living in an eternally boring survivalist state
socialism for for people who have the mentality of children and can't look after themselves. since Americans behave like children half of the time, maybe a paternalistic system is what they need.
This is easy. Communism is when u have full decentralized rule wherein people directly own means of production, there is NO GOVERNMENT MECHANISM in a "true" communist society.
Socialism is where u have a big government in command of the economy and a HUGE over arching public sector, which is (supposed to) guarantee equitable distro of goods and services 2 the public.
communism can work is up to the human factor to make it work. just like capitalism is also a functional system if your ok with explotation, and still look at the US and is financial crisis. the best system is a socialist system were everyone works for the bettter of the community. you will also have your slackers and your lazy pricks just like they exist in our capitalist system, we can saction those groups of people in order for them not to get as much as the rest of hard working citizens.
@gceron83 except no one cares about working purely to better the community, they want financial compensation for their hard work, so they can focus on things other than endlessly working for the state. and rightly so. individuals deserve resources because resources equal freedom. people have the freedom to be lazy, that is called a free society, unlike a forced work camp of a nation you talk about
Can someone explain to me, a concerned African-American, who cares for the well-being of the people.Why does it appear that the masses within the country care nothing about facts in order to get it right? Where was this anger when Before Bush the U.S. were at a surplus, and after Bush we're in Trillions of dollars of debt?When did it become cool follow deceptions of a sly "Fox", than doing the knowledge?With the preservation of ur future at stake, why does it seem like nobody gives a fuck?!
@TheCockOFGod Im not knocking what you know or feel. I simply want to understand what's so hard about getting it right. I am not a fan of neither Republicans or Democrats. Im most upset of the dumbing down of a nation. We get so wrapped up in the -isms instead of focusing on whats real. So u are just as dumb point only at Democrats, when in actuality its these *bogus* people in Government and the media working overtime to bamboozle the people..
I read the definition and the history of Socialism and Im wondering whats the big f*n deal.Socialism provides a possible solution to the balance within our society that capitalism has ruined. These tea parties are a joke because most of the people protesting dont even know what they're protesting about, nor do they now what Socialism means. Or do they? Is it that Americans are so blind to our ignorance that capitalism needs correcting? Or is it that sincerely, They dont want it?
You are ignorant to assume all the tea party folks are "ignorant."
Your slick democrat media has trained you well. "Ohh their just anti black son" No...These are Americans who disagree with FORCED HEALTHCARE which is basically a NEW TAX on EVERYBODY. Get ready for BS health care... You will wish it was like the old days.
Most people don't what the word "socialism" means - in pop-culture it's come to refer to the slightly more cuddly kind of capitalism you see in Australia or Sweden.
The only answer is that kids are tought politics in schools. The whole education system is fucked if you ask me.
the thing about americans is that they really don't know what socialism is..it's a term thats been regurgitated over and over associated w/ the bogieman
Actually, most americans (less than 18%) have a passport. The US is the most isolated Super Power in the world...living in an illusion that everything is fine with their form of democracy when in turn capitalism has turned into communism
They're blind to the fact that there is a conglomerate feeding them the "news"
This is actualy all wrong. Sosialism is not a country becoming communist. But a country that mixes bouth communism and capitalism. I would know i live in norway and we are sosialists. Actualy it is the best system beacause of the high taxes we get exeptional free health care, sosial security, free education and probably the most monney fore each citizent tan anny country in the world. Norway has been named the best country to live in severale times in a row.
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Sorry to tell you but Socialism/Communism can be summed up in 17 words "All means of production to come under common ownership. All property to be owned by the state" We don't need a thesis on this failed system.
You cannot mix Capitalism with Comumism! It's impossible! Ask your parents or grandparents what Hitler's National Socialist Party (NAZI) did to your country during his reign of terror. Your comment beggars belief.
@RobertZelmet actually i know what happened during the war. and nazism was not a mix between communism and capitalism. in norway we have mixed economy, which is a mix between the soviet plan economy and the american market economy. i will be happy to explain more to you if you want to.
marx only invented the cornerstone of sosialism and communism. today in modern sosialism you don't follow every word of his book, you actually just bouild sosiety on some of the prinsipals. and a country can not be kapitalist unless it has a market economy. i see what you say about its just a modern form of kapitalism but it is realy not. sosialism is just the modern way of thinking in europe. how do you think all of western europas countrys could develop in to what they are today if it wasn't?
@atrueamerican1 seriously? are you an idiot!? we don't have slave masters. the government founds the most of our privileges like healthcare and social security. that is because our government have sheers in our companies and companies abroad. our government is a large sheer holder. and compared to most of europa the us is a 3. world country. and we where named the best country by the UN! ever heard about it??? don't talk about stuff you don't know anything about!
@amund94 Read Karl Marx the founder of Communism, he defined socialism as the transfer between Capitalism and Communism. I disagree with both ideologies any ways. Capitalism when properly implemented is the best we've discovered yet.
@thebestsumoeva common now, that was karl marks. i am talking about modern democratic socialism. Karl marks was only a rebel against an oppressive system, one man. Before in the 1500 a fagot was a person who collected wood for a living. does that mean what we call fagot today is a person who collects wood? words develop my friend.
@amund94 Lol you think the UN gives unbiased information. Yes words do progress my friend, but that doesn't mean you can say your not socialist just because you don't have a dictator. Fun question how long do you have to wait in line to see a doctor for a non life threatening emergency? Now ask how long the Soviets had to wait in live for anything.
@thebestsumoeva I am not saying we are not socialist i say we ARE socialist, its a modern for called social democracy. And wait in line? i have had to go to the local clinic 6 times for a small operation on an ingrowing toenail WHITEOUT an appointment and had to come back in an hour for an free appointment and i had to pay a fee on like 7 dollars top. yeah horrible i know.. and if you want an x ray in the hospital you get it for free 5 days after you requested it ON A HOLLY DAY..
@amund94 Even the WHO with the most biased reporting admits Europeans wait significantly longer for non life threatening conditions.Unless you live in some weird part of Europe what you just said is a total lie.
@thebestsumoeva I live in Norway but i don't know about other European country's. Still what i say is totally true. We don't have lines at our clinics and if you make an appointment whit the hospital on something that CAN wait its top 7 days then you get treated.
@amund94 I like Norway's prisons. It seems a good idea to try and rehabilitate people versus throwing them to the curb. One thing I dislike is you guys have over a 50% GDP debt even though you have lots of money from nationalized oil. Your social system is falling apart and if the world moves away from oil it will collapse. I do enjoy your experiment with criminals though, I always hate how we try to fix people by sticking them with people worse than themselves.
@thebestsumoeva haha we don't have any debt, you how ever is borrowing 20 cent on every dollar. Mostly from china! who by the way if you have not noticed are communists! Norway has never been effected by the world economy the last finical crises Norway's economy actually was in growth. and yes we are borrowing you money so no need to thank us cuz we have so much to take from. The Norwegian currency kroner has been awarded the title most stabilize valuate btw.
@amund94 As of 2009 your GDP is $276.5 billion and your gross external debt is $548.1 billion. I never said the US had no debt problems, our social security system has robbed us of our savings as well. I will point out your gross external debt is 2x your GDP. Our total debt is half of our GDP and half of that is owned by our own banks. I'd give you props for being on the same per capita GDP, but you pay way more taxes and basic goods there cost quite a bit more as well.
@thebestsumoeva You are wrong, i am sure of it and that is because i know Norway has no debt! Your probably thinking of the amount we are lending. How can you accuse our economy of collapsing? where is this collapse? our currency has been the most stable one in the WORLD! we have no inflation! where is this collapse? I can't see it i cant feel it! I earn a good load of cash when ever i want. ah thats right the collapse was in the USA for 1 year ago. In 2007 or economy expanded 7% explain that!
@amund94 I got all of this from Wikipedia which gets it from your government according to their references. You also reported a 2009 GDP shrinkage of 1.1%. I never said anything about inflation, but since you mentioned it the 2009 CPI was 2.9% so you still have inflation just like anyone else. I understand you may be proud of your country. I only ask that you stop lying and if you didn't know all these facts to stop spreading around false information.
@amund94 BTW your entire government is based on spending money from nationalized oil. Once your oil supply dries up you will be in a bit of a pinch. Any country that relies on exporting natural resources has never done good long term. I hope the best for you guys and I really like your positive attitudes but sometime in the future your government will have to make drastic changes in its habits once oil is gone.
@thebestsumoeva Again wrong. my government puts 2 /4 of the monney in stocks, 1/ 4 is used and 1/4 is saved . we have a lot of industry and are not entirely based on oil though oil has been the reason for our industry!
@amund94 Goto google and type "Economy of Norway" it will give you all the information I've told you. You can keep claiming it's wrong, but your going against a lot of very credible sources including your own government.
@thebestsumoeva Seriously i read economy of Norway and it says it has been going powerfully up since the industrial revolution are you sure you read it???
@amund94 Yes it does say that, nearly every countries economy has grown magnificently since the industrial revolution. It also states that you had negative GDP growth in 2009 and you have nationalized oil with high taxes. My point is that you guys are getting along good right now, but you will need major changes when the world gets off oil. Peru used to be a world power because of it's natural resources and now they are one of the poorest countries on earth.
@thebestsumoeva And my point is because of our oil we have been able to grow our economy. Yes oil is a big part of our economy now, but when oil goes down we will still have a strong economy because we have ownership in so many stocks all over the world as well as we have grown our own companies. we will suffer but we will still stand strong as the number 1 country in the world on the human development scale.
@amund94 I'll have to look up this human development scale. Usually these studies are extremely subjective and have very little to do with reality, but every once in a while they lack the ignorance you typically find in government run studies.
It is good that you invested money in other areas besides oil. My point is really that your system would not work today without those huge oil reserves you have. Most countries don't have the luxury of tons of money being buried beneath them.
@thebestsumoeva you have a valid point. still i feel that you can't completely understand our system. We are a much larger country in overall economics besides oil than our number of citizens would indicate. and yes we could not have done it whiteout oil, but still now we have a strong enough economy to stand when the oil is a dead resource. Norway has even the worlds 3 largest merchant fleets and one of our companies was the one to stop the leek in the gulf of mexico.
@amund94 socialism like many other terms can mean more then one thing sorry. One way it is used is to describe the dictatorship of the proletariat. That shouldve been cleared up in the video.
@amund94 actually if you had actually read marx, lenin, mao, and any other well-known socialist you would know what you just said is completely wrong. hell if you just read kautsky you would know that your government is a social democracy.
@amund94 You live in what is called Social Democracy. Not communism, not socialism, but Social Democracy a welfare state maintained by a capitalist economy.
@firestrings272 Social democracy is a for of socialism, like liberalism is a form of capitalism. our economy is a MIXED economy, its not market economy, its not planed economy, its MIXED economy. Our government bases much in karl marx.
@amund94 Right, its a mixed economy, but when you add to the mix the welfare state, that is the form known as Social Democracy. So everything depends on the economic production of the private sector's capitalist economy.
@firestrings272 lol are you a idiot! A mixed economy is the good things from a market economy and the good things from planned economy. Indeed we do depend on private sector but the reason we live so good as we indeed do is because our oil is nationalized. Our government founded our only oil drilling company so the money would go to the people of Norway instead of just some. Stop arguing, I live here!
@amund94 So you as a citizen get free oil? I do not doubt that a small country such as Norway could have enough income from oil production to maintain its welfare state, unfortunately most other countries are neither as small, nor do they have black gold to depend on. It's like in the States, while most states are in horrible economic shape, Texas is perfectly fine because of all the oil it has.
@amund94 Socialism in its intended form is a failure and so people try to create hybrids, but once the hallmark of socialism, the workers controlling the means of production, etc are eliminated it is no longer socialism. Once the economic aspect is abandoned then its something totally different, Social Democracy. An abomination to real socialists because the collective is all and individuals MUST do their part.
@firestrings272 your talking about work by ability and get by demand witch is some what true in my country, though we don't force people to work even if they can. But they will receive no money at all so very very very few people does not work by there ability.
@amund94 So how can it be socialist if everyone earns based on their ability? That creates wealth disparity, especially if there is private profit and ownership. And if a person cannot work then there is no welfare that helps them? What you described is capitalism. Or are you saying they do not receive welfare unless they are doing something? which is basically forcing them to work.
@firestrings272 you misunderstand, they earn by demand and work by ability. Yet this is not the thing I think describes socialism the best. Evening out the social classes describes it the best. Social classes also create crime and poverty, and thats why social classes should be at a low difference.
@amund94 But in Socialism there is no class, there is equality. In your economy there is private profit, wealth and land. Poverty creates crime, and poverty comes from lack of production. A citizen who cannot produce cannot earn. Eliminatiing class means forcing all to be equal, and since everyone cannot have a big house and too much food, everyone in the end, must be forced to live according to the simplest of needs. Theory is one thing but reality is another. Norway is not even close.
@firestrings272 not true, communism is no social classes. Socialism is a mix of capitalism and communism. if you picture the far left on one side and the far right on another socialism is placed a bit left of the center.
@amund94 You are unequivocally wrong. Which ever institution taught you that has mislead you. Socialism is by practice and definition, the attempt to have the worker own the means of production of their labor which is redistributed equally to all. Communism is the creation of a stateless, egalitarian and equal society. What you have learned to call socialism is not socialism at all. Again, it is Social Democracy that uses the mixed economic model which exploits the productive members of society.
@amund94 You can argue that it is a "form" of socialism, but it is not in itself Socialism. It melds socialist policies with capitalist values to create and maintain the welfare state. Which is itself a different ideology altogether. And that's the point, Socialism within a Capitalist economy is an oxymoron. So socialism is not the source of production or prosperity, but the productive capitalist economy that the State exploits to maintain its welfare systems.
@firestrings272 Obviously we have two totally different opinions on what socialism in fact is. I say its a mix between communism and capitalism and you say its communism. but ok fine none of us are going to change views anyways, we could probably argue for a year. Congratulations for being a enlightened american, those are rear.
State intervention and ownership of goods and services is a very authoratative system. It is Fascism where the means of production and the State merge together and act as one. This is NOT Socialism. Your country is basically a Nazi like system (economically speaking).
@amund94 Fuck off,, we are not socialists in Norway... WTF are you talking about? We have only one socialist party in charge with only 5% of the votes. The rest is divided between the Labor (40%) party and Center party (5%).
The other side is liberalist and conservatives... Norway is rich because we privatized our industries. YES we became rich because large amount of Oil and Gas. NOT BECAUSE OF SOCIALISM... Venezuela is socialistic (they also have large amount of oil, but still poor)
@bjarnet3 we are still social democrats.. and thats a form of socialism. there are different types of socialism you know. use as many dirty words as you like, we still have a mixed economy, and a mixed economy can't exist in a capitalist society. A planne economy is called communism.
@amund94 Norway is more social-liberalistic.. We have privatized more and more every year.. Property Rights Score in Norway is among the highest in the world. So is Business Freedom and Trade Freedom. All this is counterintuitive to Socialism.
You have Zero property rights in a Socialist society... And when you lose property rights you end up loosing all rights. (Your body is the last property to lose). Socialism is evil. Good luck with those ideas...
@amund94 Yea,, im looking at USA when they had limited government and capitalism they where rich and the poverty fell by 1% every year. Then The Federal Reserve was introduced, Central Banking, wich is nothing other than Central Planning..
Central Banking is price fixing,, one person decides the interest rates.. A horrible system.. It is socialist ideas and it creates HUGE problems and distortions in the marked.. USA have had hundreds of wealth-fare programs since 1940, and big government.
@bjarnet3 you must be kidding! the USA has absolutely no regulation at all and their country is split, the top 5% has it very well and the rest live in what is like a third world county!
@amund94 LOL,,, No regulation,, hahaha... Please watch some Stossel videos.. The country is so over-regulated, you would be amazed... Even when Milton Friedman was around the US was over-regulated... 70 000 pages every year with regulations.. Come on please.. Look for yourself...
@bjarnet3 Its obviously a bureaucracy. however there is very little regulation in how they make their money. This even lead to the oil disaster in the gulf of mexico. The rig had a amazing number of faults no one ever checked.
@amund94 LOL... "US is like a third world" where obesity is one of their main problems... Seems like a horrible system to be poor in..
The US is not the low tax, low regulated, sound money, limited government, creditor capitalist nation, what it once was... It is now high tax, high regulated, fiat money, enormous government, debtor socialist/fascist nation...
How they make their money is the key to all problems,, it should be disciplined by a gold standard, not by some corrupt bureaucrats.
@bjarnet3 You have the wrong facts, how is it even possible to be "soclialist/facist" they are the two complete different systems. one is far right and the other is left. obviously communism is the one that is "far" left, but still.
@amund94 Republicans (fascist) who believe in a strong government with special interests (cooperation between the private and the state). Democrats (Socialists) Who believe that the government should regulate, control all aspects of everybody lives.
Socialism and Fascism are from the same branch as Collectivism...
The opposite is Individualism, freedom and liberalism (libertarianism)... Limited government,,, constitutional foundation,, rule of law, not by men, checks and balances.
@PesiCool Communism is not stateless,, because if you want a society that is built on force,,, you are not going to build a stateless society... "Communism is stateless" is a counterintuitive statement... It's like saying to somebody that "I want to force you to be free"...
@bjarnet3 Are you kidding? That has got to be one of the most random and illogical arguments anyone has ever made against communism. When the majority of the people takes power it revolts against the state that represses it and creates a direct democratic egalitarian society. Do you not know what communism is?
@PesiCool Thank you! Have you looked at all those "The democratic republics of Africa" Do you really believe that it is democratic rules in most part of Africa? That is how stateless Communism is....
Why do you call central planning socialism? Marx used communism and socialism as synonyms, while Lenin himself called the central planning state-capitalist.
@chuck1975 No,, I prefer as little government as possible... I want a strong constitutional constraint on government. The only purpose of government should be to protect the freedom of its citizens... The rules should be few and defined...
"Rule of law, not by men" everybody should be equal under the rule of law... Men cannot uphold and defend this justice... Rule by men is tyranny...
@bjarnet3 I agree with you on mostly everything. I think that we should have less government, but still have SOME form of law that we follow. I don't want anarchism, and I definitely don't support it, but I still think we should have a way to live, i.e. rules to follow. Didn't Thomas Locke say that about the government should be to protect the common man? I kinda forgot who said that, and I believe that. I'm with you mostly. You know what you're talking about. LESS GOVERNMENT, STILL SOME.
@squid0862 But I must point out one thing though, there is a difference between Anarchism and Libertarianism. Anarchism sems to want to abollish autorities with coercion, but libertarianism is against any form of coercion, they only want to change society with ideas.
And many Anarchists that I am familiar with, they really are Social-anarchists. Many of the Founding fathers of The US where / (closer to) Libertarianism... I will say that Anarchism is closer to collectivism than Libertarianism.
Why does this guy sound like Steven Hawkings?
theamazingthunder 1 month ago
I can't hear this properly, the paragraphs aren't in one string.
It's to hard to hear when the paragraph starts & ends.
DavinaFaerie 2 months ago
Socialism is when the workers control the means of production, anything else is extra baggage.
Laughingblades 3 months ago
@Laughingblades Well that is actually capitalism.
blacksabbathgnr098 4 weeks ago
@blacksabbathgnr098 oh? I though capitalism was a system of ownership in which a private employer controlled the work place and means of production.
In other words, your boss owns your job, decides what wage you will be paid irrespective of labor value or company earnings, and can deprive you of income while siphoning the wealth produced by your labor to the top.
That's what capitalism is. Trade isn't capitalism, neither is owning a shirt or a house.
Laughingblades 4 weeks ago
@Laughingblades Your idea of capitalism is false. You make it sound like capitalism favors an absence of government intervention in the market place. And while this is true when it comes to things like trade barriers and wages, the role of government in a capitalism is vital for protecting a competitive nature between entities. True capitalism eradicates monopolies.
And boss don't simply choose what wage you receive. It's a factor of supply and demand, just like prices of goods.
blacksabbathgnr098 1 week ago
@blacksabbathgnr098 No my idea of capitalism is the definition of the word capitalism. Capitalism has nothing to do with whether or not there's a government, capitalism is a system of ownership in which a private owner controls the work place and means of production, essentially work place feudalism where your boss controls your income.
So you favor state capitalism or state regulated capitalism over lolbertardian anarchocapitalism I take it? There's always surplus labor btw
Laughingblades 1 week ago
I do not agree that socialism is a transitional stage, and socialism doesn't eliminate labor for wealth it eliminates labor for wages, wealth is still generated.
But there are many socialist philosophies and socialist models, ranging from libertarian socialism to cooperative market socialism to state socialism. The term is ambiguous, two socialist societies could end up working very differently.
FreeTheWorker 3 months ago
I feel like i just dialed 1-800-what is socialism. Why the microsoft sam thing?
rigatonidanza 3 months ago
psychotic
gnome33 3 months ago
You can get answers to this question and many more, on the World Socialist Movement website.
prolerat 4 months ago
this is not what socialism is stop misinforming the masses! shame on you.
aminizle 5 months ago
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@aminizle "75% of chinese economy is state-controled."
Dipshit, it is not. Anyhow, what made China grow by 10 % over the past 30 years were NEOLIBERAL MARKET ORIENTED REFORMS such as free market and trade, private property, that led to an enourmous influx of foreign capital and know-how.
With China it is pretty black and white: under Mao: a COMMUNISTIC SHITHOLE after 30 years of CAPTALISTIC refroms: tremendous PROSPERITY and growing FREEDOM.
joaquinveyron6 5 months ago
@aminizle what is socialism ?
LeonSkottKennedey 3 months ago
@LeonSkottKennedey socialism is where the people collectively chip in to provide for "basic" needs of the society (basic= varies per society common examples are education,infrastructure,health care etc)
aminizle 3 months ago
@aminizle that seems somehow.. wrong,
LeonSkottKennedey 3 months ago
@LeonSkottKennedey i dont know why it seems wrong to you but thats what it is.
aminizle 3 months ago
@aminizle well you think that your parents should pay for your friends who also have parents?
LeonSkottKennedey 3 months ago
@LeonSkottKennedey it doesnt matter what my view is on how a society should function. i am simply pointing out that this video is a deliberate attempt to misinform. thats all
aminizle 3 months ago
@aminizle i had trouble understanding with the audio, so kould you tell mi waht the video said that was misinforming?
LeonSkottKennedey 3 months ago
Socialism, communism, liberalism, capitalism, etc., .... nothing but man made systems and doctrines taking the place (instead) of GOD. So when ever one puts man and money before GOD he or she will be the slave of such a man and money. With our freedom we gave control over our lifes to the man ... and know we learned what "man can do for us" ... ready to ask GOD for forgiveness? 2 Chronicles 7:14
Test of your faith!!
YesImOneOFMany 6 months ago
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@YesImOneOFMany "Communism brought modernization to many countries, and in places like N. Korea, China, and Myanmar,"
Dipshit, any attempt of "modernization" and industrialization by communists ended in a COMPLETE NIGHTMARE, you brain amputated monkey. Collectivization under Stalin, 14 mil. dead, "great" leap forward under Mao 45 mil. dead, NKorea 4 mil. dead, Pol Pot 4 mil dead.
Why do not leftists like you try with HISTORICAL FACTS??
joaquinveyron6 5 months ago
The big question is "Why do people get jobs and go work?" Anybody?
SuperMasterEdge 7 months ago
@SuperMasterEdge "He who does not work, neither shall he eat," A main principle of socialism.
chicheater1 7 months ago
@chicheater1 What does that make unemployment payments?
SuperMasterEdge 7 months ago
@SuperMasterEdge the sign of a broken system of capitalism. it is a system that can't even provide jobs for all of its population
chicheater1 7 months ago
@chicheater1 Fine. Explain your perfect socialist world to me.
SuperMasterEdge 7 months ago
@SuperMasterEdge it is a society where the workers are empowered and overthrow the bourgeoisie who leech off of their labor. there are no 'middle men.' business does not influence the laws that govern our country. war is avoided, and the wealthy minority will not be able to invade another country (i.e. iraq) in the interest of pursuing capital. the elected politicians actually follow their promised policy. the labor of extracting natural resources is payed for, not for the actual resource...
chicheater1 7 months ago
@chicheater1 How are you going to do it?
SuperMasterEdge 7 months ago
@supermasteredge ...as the resources of our planet can't be rightfully owned. the worker is actually payed for his true value of labour, after funds are deducted to pursue social improvements. polluting factories will suffer a reduction in pay to compensate for the damage they do to society. the economy is centrally planned to allow factories. human rights are respected! i'd go on but i really wanna watch some tv D:
and the only way is through revolution, i would prefer it to be non-violent
chicheater1 7 months ago
@chicheater1 first of all resources can be rightfully owned if they are claimed non-violently. the value of specific types of work is subjective and it's efficient if the worker & employer decided the pay based on market prices. "deducting funds" means taxation or seizure of property under under threat of violence(which is immoral). Central planning ultimately fails since no number of people can efficiently coordinate the allocation of resources to situations as they arise. free markets needed
Ravengaurd6 7 months ago
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@Ravengaurd6 How do you tell a communist? Well, it is someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-communist. Well, it is someone who understands Marx and Lenin.
joaquinveyron6 5 months ago
@chicheater1 the economy is centrally planned to allow factories to be constructed in areas where they are actually needed to reduce logistics cost which is in effect a 'middleman'
chicheater1 7 months ago
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@chicheater1 Dipshit, I was waiting for such an idiotic and false comment. First, Lenin himself introduced terror and a dictatorship to Russia, simply out of knowing that communism is not possible in FFREEDOM. When freedom exists, you will have as a result, what communist hate the most: INEQUALITY, simply because men are NOT EQUAL, but some are more successful than others. As simple as that ...
And dipshit, there is not state/country that can be "stateless".
joaquinveyron6 5 months ago
@chicheater1 imperfect isn't broken. broken is making people starve with inefficient central planning. it's destroying neighbor hoods with regulations on small businesses and rent controls on apartments.it's forming pacts with large businesses and rescuing them when they should have gone bankrupt.
broken is going in with good intentions that are lauded and leaving with bad results that are ignored or forgotten.
broken is threatening citizens with violence for money to then bribe them with it.
Ravengaurd6 7 months ago
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@Ravengaurd6 "China has made more progress on ecology and green efforts then any Western nation,"
Dipshit China has made a lot of progress since 1980, because they introduced CAPITALISTIC reforms and with them a lot of Western companies invested their money and TECHNOLOGY in China.
joaquinveyron6 5 months ago
@SuperMasterEdge "Why do people get jobs and go work?" To get income to survive and/or live the life as they desire... But the goal is not to work,, the goal is to get the desired income...
This is the main fallacy among socialist... They want everybody to work... But everybody in the Sovjet Union had a job... BUT the jobs where unproductive. (People didn't get the income for their desires... Many people even starved)...
Work is actually undesired,, it is the income that is the goal.
bjarnet3 7 months ago
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@bjarnet3 "Reducing the net consumption to zero is exactly what one of the means of ecology is. How is this a bad thing?"
Dipshit, people live in poverty and misery in communism, but still at this low level of economic activity, the communists polluted the environment much more than any other country.
Dipshit, the former GDR was an ecological nightmare, bcs the government there didnt care at all about the environment, while the level of environmental protection is very high in West GER
joaquinveyron6 5 months ago
I didn't even watch the video.I'd much rather just troll the cpusa.Scumbags,liars.Always trying to paint a pretty picture of dictatorial imposition.The fact of the matter is that this a FREE country and you have no right to try to change that no matter how much you hate the fact that you are not entitled to what another has earned you.You do however have the right to leave the country and take your democrat friends with you.They don't want to work for their money either.
stnwllstv 8 months ago
@stnwllstv You think this is a free country? Go try and start a protest against the government, talk to homosexuals, listen to Senators Mark Udall, Ron Widen, Ron Paul and Rand Paul talk about the Patriot Act, or try and negotiate for a living wage. You seem to be under this delusion that America has always been this way when in fact it has been constantly evolving. I love my country enough to recognize its faults and fight like hell to improve it. That is what true patriotism is.
PwnageGravy 7 months ago
@PwnageGravy First,you're a kid.Profile shows 19.Are you cpusa?If so you're a traitor not a patriot.If you are a democrat supporter you're a traitor not a patriot.Patriots don't support or engage in activities designed to collapse this country.When you grow up and KNOW what is going on as opposed to what you THINK is going on then we'll talk.Until then you haven't a leg to stand on.Not with me.Don't even try to.
stnwllstv 7 months ago
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@stnwllstv the usa is not a free country; you incarcerate more people per capita than any other country in the world. trololol
chicheater1 7 months ago
Civilized thought is the belief that all of existence arises out of conflict, force, war. This is because civilization itself arose out of war, out of conquering and enslaving people. Anything which claims to liberate man really liberates one group of men while enslaving another. Anything said to the contrary is rhetoric, the use of language as a weapon. How sweet to bullshit your way to the top.
JasonDamisch 8 months ago
@JasonDamisch that's a good point. if you're getting it from another man it ain't freedom.
Ravengaurd6 7 months ago
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@Ravengaurd6 China is an excellent example. Before 1979, China was a rotten communist shithole where people live below the minimum of existence, had to suffer terror, murder, slavery. After introducing CAPITALISTIC reforms, China developped dynamically creating wealth and freedom for a vast majority of people. China s GDP grew 54 times since 1980!!!! Any QUESTIONS??
joaquinveyron6 5 months ago
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The Lord JESUS is king of this universe and all creation one day every knee and nation will bow down before CHRIST. before this will happen JESUS the lord told us that satan will decieve this world through the anti christ a false religious man who will make a one world order. The pope is the anti christ who controls the usa the freemasons the illumanati and jesuits they are all satan worshippers conspiring against God . they want to unite the world under the pope and satan but they will fail
vladimirkovalski 9 months ago
Thanks MS Sam.
shakamabamXD 1 year ago
Socialism need time to complete from communism. Who don't want to spend all life to see that heaven. They will like to live in capitalism. Can't say anything. But at least communism will not take your house, your life, and your work. Because it need people to make up, not money. Just work and your property will large up. If you want to have a good life now. You will lost anything if crisis held. That is the natural balance.
hungdirect 1 year ago
You reading from Das Kapital ? Where is this coming form ?
Nickalispicalis 1 year ago
I AM WITH YOU BROTHER/SISTER.
WHO IS WITH ME?
davidbennett60.
davidbennett60 1 year ago
The difference between Socialism and Communism is that with Socialism you have some freedom with Classic Socialism. A little more freedom with Democratic Socialism. But there's no freedom with Communism.
FRSFreeStateES 1 year ago
@FRSFreeStateES Depends on what you define as "freedom".
PesiCool 1 year ago
@PesiCool
Freedom the ability to live they're own lives and makes they're own decisions.
FRSFreeStateES 1 year ago
@FRSFreeStateES And why do you think that is not possible in a pure communist society? Do you honestly think there is more freedom in a capitalist society?
PesiCool 1 year ago
@PesiCool
Do you even understand what communism is or do you have it mixed up with socialism? Because they're two different Political Ideology's.
FRSFreeStateES 1 year ago
@FRSFreeStateES I know perfectly well what socialism and communism are. You on the other hand are delusional when it comes to your perception of freedom and you also don't know a thing about communism.
PesiCool 1 year ago
@PesiCool
Apparently you don't understand the difference between Communism and Socialism so I'll lay it out for you.
Communism is where the State has complete control of society. Where's there's no guaranteed freedom. Where people can't even decide for themselves where to work. North Korea for example.
Classical Socialism is where the State owns the Means to Production in Society. meaning the economy. Where there isn't a Private Sector. Like Cuba. But where there's some Social Freedom.
FRSFreeStateES 1 year ago
@FRSFreeStateES
LMAO!
When will you understand that communism is STATELESS!?! You need to go back to school young man.
PesiCool 1 year ago
@PesiCool
LOL apparently you never heard of the Soviet Union, the People Republic of China, North Korea, Cuba. All Communist Republics. Maybe your thinking of Libertarianism or Anarchy and have them mixed up.
FRSFreeStateES 1 year ago
@FRSFreeStateES Am I talking to an irrational three year old?
READ THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO AND SEE HOW ALL THOSE "Communist" STATES CONTRADICTED THE IDEOLOGY ITSELF YOU FUCKING IDIOT!
I'm really starting to lose my patience with blithering morons like you...
PesiCool 1 year ago
@PesiCool
LOL ah duh how can I read those things I'm an irrational 3 year old, you are a hell of a comedian I'll give you that. You must be high can I buy some of your pot?
FRSFreeStateES 1 year ago
@FRSFreeStateES No, you can't. You're too young. :)
PesiCool 1 year ago
@FRSFreeStateES Now go kill your brain with alcohol and give yourself a set of cancers with those capitalist cigarettes you love so much.
PesiCool 1 year ago
@PesiCool
Where's an irrational 3 year old suppose to get that shit?
FRSFreeStateES 1 year ago
@FRSFreeStateES Well.. you have to wait until you're older and fully developed is what I would say.
PesiCool 1 year ago
@PesiCool
LOL dude your high as a kite right now and you don't what you think about me. Maybe you'll know when you come down. But hey thanks for the laughs right always appreciative.
FRSFreeStateES 1 year ago
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deadindisguise 1 year ago
Once upon a time Socialism was supposed to incrimentally work towards Communism which was to then work towards Anarchism.
Then out of Socialism sprouted Fascism and it became a battle between the Socialists and Fascists for power in itself.
dortyhoor 1 year ago
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Milton Friedman on Donahue 1979 (1/5) Excellent series of videos about socialism vs. capitalism.
pondfrog3 1 year ago
Hey, CPUSATUBE, why is this recording voice so weird, why the audio quality so bad??? Can t you pathetic commies get anything right?? Ah, welcome to the world of communism!!! Yiiiiippppiiieeehhh. But I guess my comment will be deleted here anyhow.
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
No need to spread the "news". Everybody knows that communism is the bloodiest, most oppressive, most despotic ideology that only brought death, ecological and economic disasters where it reigned. No need to spread the "news" about communism. Planned economy is the epitomacy of idiocy. What is good about communism?? What problem did communism effectively solve in history?? Name me only ONE country where communism did not end up in a rotten shithole?
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
i like how you can barely understand the guys voice mod.
mouse9111 1 year ago
i love how the speaker just casually talks about how humans in communism will just somehow lose all self interest and desire for improvement and be content living in an eternally boring survivalist state
chrispollock 1 year ago
socialism for for people who have the mentality of children and can't look after themselves. since Americans behave like children half of the time, maybe a paternalistic system is what they need.
alexandersydney 1 year ago
This is easy. Communism is when u have full decentralized rule wherein people directly own means of production, there is NO GOVERNMENT MECHANISM in a "true" communist society.
Socialism is where u have a big government in command of the economy and a HUGE over arching public sector, which is (supposed to) guarantee equitable distro of goods and services 2 the public.
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
communism can work is up to the human factor to make it work. just like capitalism is also a functional system if your ok with explotation, and still look at the US and is financial crisis. the best system is a socialist system were everyone works for the bettter of the community. you will also have your slackers and your lazy pricks just like they exist in our capitalist system, we can saction those groups of people in order for them not to get as much as the rest of hard working citizens.
gceron83 1 year ago
@gceron83 except no one cares about working purely to better the community, they want financial compensation for their hard work, so they can focus on things other than endlessly working for the state. and rightly so. individuals deserve resources because resources equal freedom. people have the freedom to be lazy, that is called a free society, unlike a forced work camp of a nation you talk about
chrispollock 1 year ago
Do people actually believe this garbage? Seriously. A third-grader knows communism will never work.
vbritsi 1 year ago
Can someone explain to me, a concerned African-American, who cares for the well-being of the people.Why does it appear that the masses within the country care nothing about facts in order to get it right? Where was this anger when Before Bush the U.S. were at a surplus, and after Bush we're in Trillions of dollars of debt?When did it become cool follow deceptions of a sly "Fox", than doing the knowledge?With the preservation of ur future at stake, why does it seem like nobody gives a fuck?!
bigwhoa76 1 year ago
@bigwhoa76
Just shhh stay out of it.
You know nothing. Do your homework and realize that democrats formed the KKK and were lynching blacks and white republicans.
The democrats control the ghetto by keeping people POOR and DEPENDENT.
Your school no doubt trained you to think as you do but rise beyond he BS you have been sold. Clinton is worth $200 million... Bush only $20 million.
It's all a hustle... look around you and you will see that democrats are ALL ABOUT CONTROL.
TheCockOFGod 1 year ago
@TheCockOFGod Im not knocking what you know or feel. I simply want to understand what's so hard about getting it right. I am not a fan of neither Republicans or Democrats. Im most upset of the dumbing down of a nation. We get so wrapped up in the -isms instead of focusing on whats real. So u are just as dumb point only at Democrats, when in actuality its these *bogus* people in Government and the media working overtime to bamboozle the people..
bigwhoa76 1 year ago
I read the definition and the history of Socialism and Im wondering whats the big f*n deal.Socialism provides a possible solution to the balance within our society that capitalism has ruined. These tea parties are a joke because most of the people protesting dont even know what they're protesting about, nor do they now what Socialism means. Or do they? Is it that Americans are so blind to our ignorance that capitalism needs correcting? Or is it that sincerely, They dont want it?
bigwhoa76 1 year ago
@bigwhoa76
You are ignorant to assume all the tea party folks are "ignorant."
Your slick democrat media has trained you well. "Ohh their just anti black son" No...These are Americans who disagree with FORCED HEALTHCARE which is basically a NEW TAX on EVERYBODY. Get ready for BS health care... You will wish it was like the old days.
TheCockOFGod 1 year ago
Your robot voice almost tricked me.
thebestsumoeva 1 year ago
Most people don't what the word "socialism" means - in pop-culture it's come to refer to the slightly more cuddly kind of capitalism you see in Australia or Sweden.
The only answer is that kids are tought politics in schools. The whole education system is fucked if you ask me.
DrunkenPoetic 1 year ago
black people vote democrat, yet, it was the democrats who had them as.. SLAVES TO MORDOR WHERE they HARVESTED CROPS FOR THE ONE RIIIIIIIIIING!
geoscience 1 year ago
the thing about americans is that they really don't know what socialism is..it's a term thats been regurgitated over and over associated w/ the bogieman
Actually, most americans (less than 18%) have a passport. The US is the most isolated Super Power in the world...living in an illusion that everything is fine with their form of democracy when in turn capitalism has turned into communism
They're blind to the fact that there is a conglomerate feeding them the "news"
ignorance is bliss I guess
littlebini 1 year ago
Communism Long Live, communism shall rise again one day from the ashes of Capitalism..
invictusabid 1 year ago
This is actualy all wrong. Sosialism is not a country becoming communist. But a country that mixes bouth communism and capitalism. I would know i live in norway and we are sosialists. Actualy it is the best system beacause of the high taxes we get exeptional free health care, sosial security, free education and probably the most monney fore each citizent tan anny country in the world. Norway has been named the best country to live in severale times in a row.
amund94 1 year ago 7
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Sorry to tell you but Socialism/Communism can be summed up in 17 words "All means of production to come under common ownership. All property to be owned by the state" We don't need a thesis on this failed system.
PaulDeLaWare 1 year ago
You cannot mix Capitalism with Comumism! It's impossible! Ask your parents or grandparents what Hitler's National Socialist Party (NAZI) did to your country during his reign of terror. Your comment beggars belief.
RobertZelmet 1 year ago
@RobertZelmet actually i know what happened during the war. and nazism was not a mix between communism and capitalism. in norway we have mixed economy, which is a mix between the soviet plan economy and the american market economy. i will be happy to explain more to you if you want to.
amund94 1 year ago
or you could get off your butt and get job. Its mostly lazy people living on welfare who are to lazy to get a job that support socialism.
bleeoch 1 year ago
True
Shydrow 1 year ago
There are different definitions. Marx uses "Socialism" as economy run by the working class and "Communism" as the final utopia.
In Western Europe 1914 Socialists opposing/supporting the first world war split up and founded "Socialist/communist" parties .
Crazy partydictatorships also called themselves "communist"
There is no clear definition, but a mixed economy is certainly not socialist, it is a more moderate form of capitalism
nonameposter 1 year ago
marx only invented the cornerstone of sosialism and communism. today in modern sosialism you don't follow every word of his book, you actually just bouild sosiety on some of the prinsipals. and a country can not be kapitalist unless it has a market economy. i see what you say about its just a modern form of kapitalism but it is realy not. sosialism is just the modern way of thinking in europe. how do you think all of western europas countrys could develop in to what they are today if it wasn't?
amund94 1 year ago 3
@amund94 If your paying high taxes for services and goods,How Is It FREE? Named best country by who,your slave masters? The
poor people in this country have more than you do. You are just a fool.
atrueamerican1 1 year ago
@atrueamerican1 seriously? are you an idiot!? we don't have slave masters. the government founds the most of our privileges like healthcare and social security. that is because our government have sheers in our companies and companies abroad. our government is a large sheer holder. and compared to most of europa the us is a 3. world country. and we where named the best country by the UN! ever heard about it??? don't talk about stuff you don't know anything about!
amund94 1 year ago 3
@atrueamerican1 Were you drunk or something when you wrote this?
unclebanana 1 year ago
@amund94 Read Karl Marx the founder of Communism, he defined socialism as the transfer between Capitalism and Communism. I disagree with both ideologies any ways. Capitalism when properly implemented is the best we've discovered yet.
thebestsumoeva 1 year ago
@thebestsumoeva common now, that was karl marks. i am talking about modern democratic socialism. Karl marks was only a rebel against an oppressive system, one man. Before in the 1500 a fagot was a person who collected wood for a living. does that mean what we call fagot today is a person who collects wood? words develop my friend.
amund94 1 year ago
@amund94 Lol you think the UN gives unbiased information. Yes words do progress my friend, but that doesn't mean you can say your not socialist just because you don't have a dictator. Fun question how long do you have to wait in line to see a doctor for a non life threatening emergency? Now ask how long the Soviets had to wait in live for anything.
thebestsumoeva 1 year ago
@thebestsumoeva I am not saying we are not socialist i say we ARE socialist, its a modern for called social democracy. And wait in line? i have had to go to the local clinic 6 times for a small operation on an ingrowing toenail WHITEOUT an appointment and had to come back in an hour for an free appointment and i had to pay a fee on like 7 dollars top. yeah horrible i know.. and if you want an x ray in the hospital you get it for free 5 days after you requested it ON A HOLLY DAY..
amund94 1 year ago
@amund94 Even the WHO with the most biased reporting admits Europeans wait significantly longer for non life threatening conditions.Unless you live in some weird part of Europe what you just said is a total lie.
thebestsumoeva 1 year ago
@thebestsumoeva I live in Norway but i don't know about other European country's. Still what i say is totally true. We don't have lines at our clinics and if you make an appointment whit the hospital on something that CAN wait its top 7 days then you get treated.
amund94 1 year ago
@amund94 I like Norway's prisons. It seems a good idea to try and rehabilitate people versus throwing them to the curb. One thing I dislike is you guys have over a 50% GDP debt even though you have lots of money from nationalized oil. Your social system is falling apart and if the world moves away from oil it will collapse. I do enjoy your experiment with criminals though, I always hate how we try to fix people by sticking them with people worse than themselves.
thebestsumoeva 1 year ago
@thebestsumoeva haha we don't have any debt, you how ever is borrowing 20 cent on every dollar. Mostly from china! who by the way if you have not noticed are communists! Norway has never been effected by the world economy the last finical crises Norway's economy actually was in growth. and yes we are borrowing you money so no need to thank us cuz we have so much to take from. The Norwegian currency kroner has been awarded the title most stabilize valuate btw.
amund94 1 year ago
@amund94 As of 2009 your GDP is $276.5 billion and your gross external debt is $548.1 billion. I never said the US had no debt problems, our social security system has robbed us of our savings as well. I will point out your gross external debt is 2x your GDP. Our total debt is half of our GDP and half of that is owned by our own banks. I'd give you props for being on the same per capita GDP, but you pay way more taxes and basic goods there cost quite a bit more as well.
thebestsumoeva 1 year ago
@thebestsumoeva You are wrong, i am sure of it and that is because i know Norway has no debt! Your probably thinking of the amount we are lending. How can you accuse our economy of collapsing? where is this collapse? our currency has been the most stable one in the WORLD! we have no inflation! where is this collapse? I can't see it i cant feel it! I earn a good load of cash when ever i want. ah thats right the collapse was in the USA for 1 year ago. In 2007 or economy expanded 7% explain that!
amund94 1 year ago
@amund94 I got all of this from Wikipedia which gets it from your government according to their references. You also reported a 2009 GDP shrinkage of 1.1%. I never said anything about inflation, but since you mentioned it the 2009 CPI was 2.9% so you still have inflation just like anyone else. I understand you may be proud of your country. I only ask that you stop lying and if you didn't know all these facts to stop spreading around false information.
thebestsumoeva 1 year ago
@amund94 BTW your entire government is based on spending money from nationalized oil. Once your oil supply dries up you will be in a bit of a pinch. Any country that relies on exporting natural resources has never done good long term. I hope the best for you guys and I really like your positive attitudes but sometime in the future your government will have to make drastic changes in its habits once oil is gone.
thebestsumoeva 1 year ago
@thebestsumoeva Again wrong. my government puts 2 /4 of the monney in stocks, 1/ 4 is used and 1/4 is saved . we have a lot of industry and are not entirely based on oil though oil has been the reason for our industry!
amund94 1 year ago
@amund94 Goto google and type "Economy of Norway" it will give you all the information I've told you. You can keep claiming it's wrong, but your going against a lot of very credible sources including your own government.
thebestsumoeva 1 year ago
@thebestsumoeva please tell me those sources.
amund94 1 year ago
@thebestsumoeva Seriously i read economy of Norway and it says it has been going powerfully up since the industrial revolution are you sure you read it???
amund94 1 year ago
@amund94 Yes it does say that, nearly every countries economy has grown magnificently since the industrial revolution. It also states that you had negative GDP growth in 2009 and you have nationalized oil with high taxes. My point is that you guys are getting along good right now, but you will need major changes when the world gets off oil. Peru used to be a world power because of it's natural resources and now they are one of the poorest countries on earth.
thebestsumoeva 1 year ago
@thebestsumoeva And my point is because of our oil we have been able to grow our economy. Yes oil is a big part of our economy now, but when oil goes down we will still have a strong economy because we have ownership in so many stocks all over the world as well as we have grown our own companies. we will suffer but we will still stand strong as the number 1 country in the world on the human development scale.
amund94 1 year ago
@amund94 I'll have to look up this human development scale. Usually these studies are extremely subjective and have very little to do with reality, but every once in a while they lack the ignorance you typically find in government run studies.
It is good that you invested money in other areas besides oil. My point is really that your system would not work today without those huge oil reserves you have. Most countries don't have the luxury of tons of money being buried beneath them.
thebestsumoeva 1 year ago
@thebestsumoeva you have a valid point. still i feel that you can't completely understand our system. We are a much larger country in overall economics besides oil than our number of citizens would indicate. and yes we could not have done it whiteout oil, but still now we have a strong enough economy to stand when the oil is a dead resource. Norway has even the worlds 3 largest merchant fleets and one of our companies was the one to stop the leek in the gulf of mexico.
amund94 1 year ago
@amund94 socialism like many other terms can mean more then one thing sorry. One way it is used is to describe the dictatorship of the proletariat. That shouldve been cleared up in the video.
fishontuesday 1 year ago
@fishontuesday Now that we can agree upon.
amund94 1 year ago
@amund94 actually if you had actually read marx, lenin, mao, and any other well-known socialist you would know what you just said is completely wrong. hell if you just read kautsky you would know that your government is a social democracy.
zaquis 1 year ago
@zaquis yes! anotherone. I do actually know it is a social democracy, witch is a form of socialism..
amund94 1 year ago
@amund94 You live in what is called Social Democracy. Not communism, not socialism, but Social Democracy a welfare state maintained by a capitalist economy.
firestrings272 1 year ago
@firestrings272 Social democracy is a for of socialism, like liberalism is a form of capitalism. our economy is a MIXED economy, its not market economy, its not planed economy, its MIXED economy. Our government bases much in karl marx.
amund94 1 year ago
@amund94 Right, its a mixed economy, but when you add to the mix the welfare state, that is the form known as Social Democracy. So everything depends on the economic production of the private sector's capitalist economy.
firestrings272 1 year ago
@firestrings272 lol are you a idiot! A mixed economy is the good things from a market economy and the good things from planned economy. Indeed we do depend on private sector but the reason we live so good as we indeed do is because our oil is nationalized. Our government founded our only oil drilling company so the money would go to the people of Norway instead of just some. Stop arguing, I live here!
amund94 1 year ago
@amund94 So you as a citizen get free oil? I do not doubt that a small country such as Norway could have enough income from oil production to maintain its welfare state, unfortunately most other countries are neither as small, nor do they have black gold to depend on. It's like in the States, while most states are in horrible economic shape, Texas is perfectly fine because of all the oil it has.
firestrings272 1 year ago
@amund94 So don't call your country socialist if it isn't.
firestrings272 1 year ago
@firestrings272 IT IS! its the modern form of SOCIALISM. by your way of thought the usa is not capitalist because it does not have a monarch!
amund94 1 year ago
@amund94 Socialism in its intended form is a failure and so people try to create hybrids, but once the hallmark of socialism, the workers controlling the means of production, etc are eliminated it is no longer socialism. Once the economic aspect is abandoned then its something totally different, Social Democracy. An abomination to real socialists because the collective is all and individuals MUST do their part.
firestrings272 1 year ago
@firestrings272 your talking about work by ability and get by demand witch is some what true in my country, though we don't force people to work even if they can. But they will receive no money at all so very very very few people does not work by there ability.
amund94 1 year ago
@amund94 So how can it be socialist if everyone earns based on their ability? That creates wealth disparity, especially if there is private profit and ownership. And if a person cannot work then there is no welfare that helps them? What you described is capitalism. Or are you saying they do not receive welfare unless they are doing something? which is basically forcing them to work.
firestrings272 1 year ago
@firestrings272 you misunderstand, they earn by demand and work by ability. Yet this is not the thing I think describes socialism the best. Evening out the social classes describes it the best. Social classes also create crime and poverty, and thats why social classes should be at a low difference.
amund94 1 year ago
@amund94 But in Socialism there is no class, there is equality. In your economy there is private profit, wealth and land. Poverty creates crime, and poverty comes from lack of production. A citizen who cannot produce cannot earn. Eliminatiing class means forcing all to be equal, and since everyone cannot have a big house and too much food, everyone in the end, must be forced to live according to the simplest of needs. Theory is one thing but reality is another. Norway is not even close.
firestrings272 1 year ago
@firestrings272 not true, communism is no social classes. Socialism is a mix of capitalism and communism. if you picture the far left on one side and the far right on another socialism is placed a bit left of the center.
amund94 1 year ago
@amund94 You are unequivocally wrong. Which ever institution taught you that has mislead you. Socialism is by practice and definition, the attempt to have the worker own the means of production of their labor which is redistributed equally to all. Communism is the creation of a stateless, egalitarian and equal society. What you have learned to call socialism is not socialism at all. Again, it is Social Democracy that uses the mixed economic model which exploits the productive members of society.
firestrings272 1 year ago
@firestrings272 and yet again social democracy is a form of socialism like nazism is a form of nationalism.
amund94 1 year ago
@amund94 You can argue that it is a "form" of socialism, but it is not in itself Socialism. It melds socialist policies with capitalist values to create and maintain the welfare state. Which is itself a different ideology altogether. And that's the point, Socialism within a Capitalist economy is an oxymoron. So socialism is not the source of production or prosperity, but the productive capitalist economy that the State exploits to maintain its welfare systems.
firestrings272 1 year ago
@firestrings272 Obviously we have two totally different opinions on what socialism in fact is. I say its a mix between communism and capitalism and you say its communism. but ok fine none of us are going to change views anyways, we could probably argue for a year. Congratulations for being a enlightened american, those are rear.
amund94 1 year ago
@amund94 Lol, I can agree with that! :-)
firestrings272 1 year ago
@amund94
State intervention and ownership of goods and services is a very authoratative system. It is Fascism where the means of production and the State merge together and act as one. This is NOT Socialism. Your country is basically a Nazi like system (economically speaking).
PikSokolit 1 year ago
@amund94 Fuck off,, we are not socialists in Norway... WTF are you talking about? We have only one socialist party in charge with only 5% of the votes. The rest is divided between the Labor (40%) party and Center party (5%).
The other side is liberalist and conservatives... Norway is rich because we privatized our industries. YES we became rich because large amount of Oil and Gas. NOT BECAUSE OF SOCIALISM... Venezuela is socialistic (they also have large amount of oil, but still poor)
bjarnet3 1 year ago
@bjarnet3 we are still social democrats.. and thats a form of socialism. there are different types of socialism you know. use as many dirty words as you like, we still have a mixed economy, and a mixed economy can't exist in a capitalist society. A planne economy is called communism.
amund94 1 year ago
@amund94 Norway is more social-liberalistic.. We have privatized more and more every year.. Property Rights Score in Norway is among the highest in the world. So is Business Freedom and Trade Freedom. All this is counterintuitive to Socialism.
You have Zero property rights in a Socialist society... And when you lose property rights you end up loosing all rights. (Your body is the last property to lose). Socialism is evil. Good luck with those ideas...
bjarnet3 1 year ago
@bjarnet3 Idiot, socialism is not evil. Capitalism is evil, making few very very rich and many very very poor. Just look at the usa.
amund94 1 year ago
@amund94 Yea,, im looking at USA when they had limited government and capitalism they where rich and the poverty fell by 1% every year. Then The Federal Reserve was introduced, Central Banking, wich is nothing other than Central Planning..
Central Banking is price fixing,, one person decides the interest rates.. A horrible system.. It is socialist ideas and it creates HUGE problems and distortions in the marked.. USA have had hundreds of wealth-fare programs since 1940, and big government.
bjarnet3 1 year ago
@bjarnet3 you must be kidding! the USA has absolutely no regulation at all and their country is split, the top 5% has it very well and the rest live in what is like a third world county!
amund94 1 year ago
@amund94 LOL,,, No regulation,, hahaha... Please watch some Stossel videos.. The country is so over-regulated, you would be amazed... Even when Milton Friedman was around the US was over-regulated... 70 000 pages every year with regulations.. Come on please.. Look for yourself...
watch?v=vAJ-P0kM4rI
bjarnet3 1 year ago
@bjarnet3 Its obviously a bureaucracy. however there is very little regulation in how they make their money. This even lead to the oil disaster in the gulf of mexico. The rig had a amazing number of faults no one ever checked.
amund94 1 year ago
@amund94 LOL... "US is like a third world" where obesity is one of their main problems... Seems like a horrible system to be poor in..
The US is not the low tax, low regulated, sound money, limited government, creditor capitalist nation, what it once was... It is now high tax, high regulated, fiat money, enormous government, debtor socialist/fascist nation...
How they make their money is the key to all problems,, it should be disciplined by a gold standard, not by some corrupt bureaucrats.
bjarnet3 1 year ago
@bjarnet3 You have the wrong facts, how is it even possible to be "soclialist/facist" they are the two complete different systems. one is far right and the other is left. obviously communism is the one that is "far" left, but still.
amund94 1 year ago
@amund94 Republicans (fascist) who believe in a strong government with special interests (cooperation between the private and the state). Democrats (Socialists) Who believe that the government should regulate, control all aspects of everybody lives.
Socialism and Fascism are from the same branch as Collectivism...
The opposite is Individualism, freedom and liberalism (libertarianism)... Limited government,,, constitutional foundation,, rule of law, not by men, checks and balances.
bjarnet3 1 year ago 11
@bjarnet3 You said it!
firestrings272 1 year ago 8
@bjarnet3 Communism = no government.
PesiCool 1 year ago
@bjarnet3 Communism is stateless.
PesiCool 1 year ago
@PesiCool Communism is not stateless,, because if you want a society that is built on force,,, you are not going to build a stateless society... "Communism is stateless" is a counterintuitive statement... It's like saying to somebody that "I want to force you to be free"...
bjarnet3 11 months ago
@bjarnet3 Are you kidding? That has got to be one of the most random and illogical arguments anyone has ever made against communism. When the majority of the people takes power it revolts against the state that represses it and creates a direct democratic egalitarian society. Do you not know what communism is?
PesiCool 11 months ago
@PesiCool Thank you! Have you looked at all those "The democratic republics of Africa" Do you really believe that it is democratic rules in most part of Africa? That is how stateless Communism is....
bjarnet3 11 months ago
@bjarnet3 No, they are stateless disorderly capitalism. HUGE DIFFERENCE
PesiCool 11 months ago
@PesiCool I will now use my equal right to disagree. Good luck in life,,, I hope you will enjoy it and find peace.
bjarnet3 11 months ago
@bjarnet3 Stop mixing up State-Socialism (Soviet central economic planning) and Socialism.
JeresyMike18 1 year ago
@JeresyMike18
Why do you call central planning socialism? Marx used communism and socialism as synonyms, while Lenin himself called the central planning state-capitalist.
pulsatingremedy 1 year ago
@pulsatingremedy Error on my part. I probably meant to write State-capitalism but had "socialism" in my mind, I don't know.
JeresyMike18 1 year ago
@bjarnet3 "rule of law, not by men"? So you prefer a theocracy or rule by divine right?
chuck1975 11 months ago
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@chuck1975 No,, I prefer as little government as possible... I want a strong constitutional constraint on government. The only purpose of government should be to protect the freedom of its citizens... The rules should be few and defined...
"Rule of law, not by men" everybody should be equal under the rule of law... Men cannot uphold and defend this justice... Rule by men is tyranny...
bjarnet3 11 months ago
@chuck1975 No, I prefer as little government as possible. The governments only purpose should be to protect the freedom of it's citizens...
"rule of law, not by men" Everybody should be equal under the law. Men cannot uphold this justice by themselves. Rule by men is tyranny...
bjarnet3 11 months ago
@bjarnet3 I agree with you on mostly everything. I think that we should have less government, but still have SOME form of law that we follow. I don't want anarchism, and I definitely don't support it, but I still think we should have a way to live, i.e. rules to follow. Didn't Thomas Locke say that about the government should be to protect the common man? I kinda forgot who said that, and I believe that. I'm with you mostly. You know what you're talking about. LESS GOVERNMENT, STILL SOME.
squid0862 9 months ago
@squid0862 But I must point out one thing though, there is a difference between Anarchism and Libertarianism. Anarchism sems to want to abollish autorities with coercion, but libertarianism is against any form of coercion, they only want to change society with ideas.
And many Anarchists that I am familiar with, they really are Social-anarchists. Many of the Founding fathers of The US where / (closer to) Libertarianism... I will say that Anarchism is closer to collectivism than Libertarianism.
bjarnet3 9 months ago