A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of ONE wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 1Tm.3:2. Let the deacons be the husbands of ONE wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 1Tm.3:12. If any be blameless, the husband of ONE wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. Ti. 1:6
Mormon Prophet Joseph Smith, when caught porking the teen maid, "revealed", for the 1st time, that polygamy was divinely ordered (Wife #1 didn't buy the BS)
Later only to get legal, LDS flip-flopped on polygamy despite their own prophet's teaching
Romney's family tho, fled to Mexico illegally to keep polygamy. Mitt's dad slipped back across the RioGrande to be 1st MexicanAmerican to run for Prez (born Chihuahua, Mexico)
FLDS is true to Joe Smith; LDS is just more clever politically
I read this book and highly recommend it for everyone who is looking in to this blasphemous religion that can take your soul to hell. The author grew up in the Mormon Church and it is a completely FALSE RELIGION!
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Cool video! Thanks for sharing your story with us. You go girl! Are you still searching for a Spiritual home? Have you looked into the Catholic Church? I know we have a warped rap in pop culture, but you seem intelligent enough to figure it out with an open mind and heart. <3
I wish people didn't constantly assume that polygamy is exclusively a Mormon, and occasionally Muslim, practice, or that it can only be between one man and multiple women. Most relationships in the US that are polygamist/polyamorous have secular motivations, not religious ones. You are also as likely to meet a woman with multiple partners as a man. I know a girl who is married to both a man and a woman, and I know a guy whose girlfriend is already married. Five of those six people are Atheists.
@atheistworstenemy Many are married. If they aren't it's because they chose not to wed. Calling it a marriage is exactly what makes it so. If the people involved say they're married, they're married. The government has no right to dictate who people can and cannot dedicate their lives to. I have three wives. My state recognizes only one and it can screw right off. Many friends i have are in poly relationships-some married, others not. All involved are consenting so the government can go to hell.
@mazerrackham001 You're talking about a wedding ceremony, presumably, which also does not make a marriage.
Can you give me any example of any country with legalized polygamy where children are not married?
Sorry, but I don't see the point in polygamy. Marriage is about commitment, how can you commit to anyone if you're going to just go off and pursue other people? This makes zero sense whatsoever in a Western context.
@atheistworstenemy If you don't see the point of polygamous relationships, then don't get involved in one. If you want to put your fingers in your ears, close your eyes and pretend we don't exist, that's fine too. You can even say that your sky god told you we're immoral and evil. So long as every free adult can do whatever they want with whomever they want, without persecution, you can say whatever discriminatory thoughts come to mind. I recognize that liberty is a two way street.
@atheistworstenemy What crosses the line is when the government imposes discriminatory taxes on people for marrying someone not approved by the state. Or when the government labels you a criminal and maintains the right to imprison you for dedicating your life to multiple people, while ensuring that secretly cheating on your spouse is protected under the law. Or when discriminatory people like you don’t just tell us how horrible we are for loving multiple people, but try to change us by force.
@atheistworstenemy Marriages don't require a ceremony. They only require whatever the people entering into them say they require. It certainly does not require the signed permission form of a state clerk and the seal of a local judge or other government sanctioned representative. A marriage is when consenting adults agree to dedicate the rest of their lives to each other and no one has the right to prevent others from marrying whomever they damn well please.
@atheistworstenemy Name a single country where polygamy is illegal and children have never been forced to marry. Saying polygamy should be outlawed because some people coerce others into marriage is like saying that no one should be allowed to vote anymore because some people commit voter fraud.
Coerced marriage is a crime because it infringes on the liberty of an individual. Forcing a child to marry is not the same as consenting adults agreeing to spend the rest of their lives together.
@mazerrackham001 It's illegal in Germany. It's also not allowed in the Netherlands. I'm pretty sure it's probably illegal in the other European countries. It's also illegal in the People's Republic of China, the Philippines, Taiwan & Singapore.
@GaolisVideoLog Yes, I know that, and if you're replying to what I think you're replying to, those countries also have had families that forced children to marry. Every country on Earth has this issue, it's a very serious issue that needs to be fought, and it is a completely separate issue from the marrying of multiple, consenting, adults. Persecuting those in the latter does not solve the former.
@atheistworstenemy Western tradition holds that governments and marriage don't mix. American states only started requiring government sanctioned marriages in the 20th Century to prevent interracial couples from getting married. Do you think George Washington asked the colonial courts for permission to marry when he was growing up in Virginia?
I’m sorry that you can’t understand the idea of loving multiple people. Fortunately, my love doesn’t require your understanding.
@atheistworstenemy Liberty consists in the freedom to do everything which injures no one else; hence the exercise of the natural rights of each man has no limits except those which assure to the other members of the society the enjoyment of the same rights. These limits can only be determined by law.
The Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, by Thomas Jefferson and the Marquis de Lafayette.
I'm not lds but I have lived in a long term commited relationship with 2 women. Honestly, it was the best of times but there are many factors that go into the success or failure of the relationship.
The 2 were step sisters and best friends so they got along great. When I was at the office they hung out, went shopping, and worked on the house together. Jealousy wasn't really a factor since the family as a whole was more important than any one of us.
I'm friends with Lareena. I met her a few years ago when I had briefly been teaching in the town that she lives in with her husband (she's his one and only wife and they like it that way!). I never met a happier couple in my life, seriously. She was the first ex-polygamist that I ever met (or any polygamist for that matter). She's a wonderful person and she really has an amazing life. We'll be friends forever!
Polygamy doesn't exit in the modern Mormon church, there isn't any evidence of it either!
So why are you people producing such blasphemous TV programs which go directly against revised LDS Church doctrine?
Just to get more views on YouTube, that makes you a troll and a view whore!!
You must be very proud of your mindless lies and Satanic blasphemous attempt to destroy the purest Church on Earth, this goes against the teachings of our Holy Founder Joseph Smith!
@Mormonites Maybe not now. However, many former prophets, one of the most notable being Brigham Young, endorsed it as revelation from God. And although the Mormon church doesn't openly practice it today, the beliefs that plurality of marriage in their heaven exists, extists. Quick scenario here for you: A man is selling soda. A boy buys some. He tastes it and it tastes, and looks, like water. He chooses to go back to the salesman, and says it's not soda. Salesman obviously denies the...
@Mormonites You are so 'full of it'. You can deny the existence of polygamy in the Mormon church all you want, but explain Warren Jeffs et al. There has been a LOT of stuff in the news over the past years about polygamy and the church. We all KNOW it exists, and denying it simply makes you look silly. Now, you're right if you're talking about the 'mainstream' Mormon church, but there are MANY splinter groups which call themselves Mormon and DO still practice polygamy. Just admit it please.
@Mormonites BTW, the church also does not condone using the crude language that you have used in your comment. THIS is ungodly. Remember what the bible says about the mote in your brother's eye. I'd say you surely have a plank in your own.
I'm not a polygamist. I just find other religions and groups kind of fascinating. This was a good film, and assuming it was based on your life I'm happy you were able to leave and find your own happiness. The Super 16 made it look vintage and kind of 70s, it's not as popular nowadays but I like it.
How convinient for men, how come they don't come up with a religion where woman have more than one man, that would be something! that way instead of giving your paycheck away, you will be getting double the cash, I think let me guess, it was probably a male who invented this none sence about polygamy, hey woman lets start a new religion!
In Christianity (not Mormonism), though polygamy is noted as having happened in the Bible, it is never shown as having a great outcome. The clear and simple desire of God in terms of marriage is 1 man and 1 woman. In the New Testement, having only 1 wife was a requirement of Church leaders (if they were married at all). Marriage is not a requirement of Salvation, and certainly having several wives doesn't change that.
In Islam a man can not marry more than one if he thinks that he can not be just between them. If he thinks that he can make it and wants to do it Islam sets the limit for not more than 4 wives to marry. In that case the man have to provide for all his wives equally and their children. It is so hard to be equal with the wives that not any man can do it well. This is why most of Muslim men do not marry more than one. Isn't that awesome?
Wow..I want to say to any girl / woman born under any religious regimen: Please, God gave you a mind and personal will..Thank you for this video as I love the "Big Love" series, but I am so thankful for having two parents that truly loved and enjoyed each other..seems to be rare . Glad my Dad met the "bar" and held it so high for me too..
only an unexperienced person devoid of intelligence or the will to learn at all, would want to spend eternity in heaven or what most religious cults describe as heaven! no pain, no sorrow, no loss, no disappointment, no hate ... in essence everything that is part of life on a natural level!
the question that is however never answered: what drives or motivates a person into infinity? as the reasons, most people are afraid of hell, are those which keep us advancing in the first place ... oh my
I don't think even women in previous times liked polygamy either. I think they just had less power to stand up against it. Most women no matter what time they are living in would prefer to have their husband love and be married to them only. Well if you REALLY love your husband you would not want to share him with another woman.
Polygamy I guess has its benefits, but I feel like monogamy is always best like the Quran states even though polygamy is allowed. A man can NEVER be completely fair between more than one woman, because there will be always one that has his heart. So why put your wives through the though that you may love someone else more than them.
@wwwpower1 Honestly, I must admit sometimes I do think of it as a form of legalized adultery. A second wife to me seems like a mistress still especially since no man can really fairly practice polygamy.
Well, it cannot be "legalized adultery" For adultery is illegal in the eyes of North American laws, including biblical laws. Including the same laws exist in almost all countries of the world other than some Islam sects.
These women are both, mistresses and adulterers and the husband FORCES them into adultery by his greed, lust and pride to have more than his share in life. It is sad. We pray for all afflicted by this life that lives a lie.
@wwwpower1 FYI, polygamy is not legal in the United States, but the fact is that marriage for many people is already pretty abusive. What exactly do you think would make a polygamous marriage any more abusive? Because personally as a man I'm pretty sure I'd have a far more complex time trying to boss around a group of woman than just one wife. A man who participates in polygamy would have to be that more responsible. It's not something I personally would ever try, but I respect those who do.
If one man cannot handle one woman in a marriage - which most have to learn, grow and work at marriage - as evidenced by unhappy marriages- then how can he provide and support and give ATTENTION to more than one.
It means he is lustful, greedy and does only serve HIS self intererst.
Find out how many polygamists have their wives collecting child welfare as SINGLE moms - on taxpayers - your money - then come back and post.
Men and women, male and female. Born 50% each. 1 for 1. When one man has 7 wives, what happens to the other 6 men? Lust, greed and selfishness, all in the name of "religion" ~gag~
Polygamy doesnt work in any situation in modern society.It's selfish and pathetic, and sets women back to the stoneage. I hope that somehow any women stuck in or considering a polygamist life can get out. Polygamy doesnt work and never will because intelligent women and men are too smart to do something so stupid.
I myself hava four wifes. i musta beat them savagely or they donta do whatta I tell them to do. My neighbor he a tells me he is a gonna call the police on me for the beatings I give them. I tell him, "I have married them. They are my property. I will beat them when I want. Mind your own business". The best thing abouta plural marriage is you have a four different woman, each with a three holes. Thatsa twelve holes to choose from. I supporta the polygamy.
@sweetlynumb86 This video and this person's story places polygamy in a dark light because her experiences were unfavorable. What it doesn't show is that polygamy, like all marriages, requires all parties to work together to make the marriage(s) work. It's a matter of all parties getting along somewhat selflessly on social and economic levels. Polygamy isn't a selfish brat's favored way of living nor is it an idealist's paradise.
I think sometimes we might underestimate what it takes to make a marriage work and the preparation that it might take to let another woman love the man that we love sooo much. NOT that it cannot be done. It seems that every case is diferent. Despite watching this video i still think it can be done successfully.
I fight for your right to do that! I don't like it when people use the word "polygamy" when they talk about polygyny. Polygyny is bad and stupid, no matter how you try to explain it, but gender neutral polygamy is so good most of us aren't even ready for it yet!
Polygamy, in itself is not wrong, but rather, when there is an inequality in the relationship between the husband and his wives. There are Biblical examples of acceptable polygamy in the Bible for Christians, such as the reference to taking as a wife your brother's wife if the brother dies.
Polygamy, in itself is not wrong, but rather, when there is an inequality in the relationship between the husband and his wives. There are Biblical examples of acceptable polygamy in the Bible for Christians, such as the reference to taking as a wife your brother's wife if the brother dies.
@paulmarcelrene (biblical examples) ...such as Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, as well. I agree with you. A relationship should be equal between a husband and wife and polygamists are notorious for husbands lording it over their wives. Religion is no excuse for any unkindness to a wife. No marriage will be successful based on religion and not on love.
@paulmarcelrene Wow, I'm surprised to hear that in the bible it says you can marry your brother's wife when your brother dies. I thought that was just something done in my african muslim culture.
@wwwpower1 First, the laws of man have to relationship to the laws of God because they are man's laws. Second, what is legal doesn't make it right and right isn't always legal. Abortion is legal, but is wrong. Third, A government has no authority to regulate whom is married to whom. The US Constitution does not give the government this power to regulate marriage. Four, Exodus 20:14 "You shall not commit adultery." (One of the ten commandments). Fifth, Polygamy can work for those who chose it.
The commandment says to NOT commit adultery. Polygamy is adultery multiplied and compounded by how many women are involved. The transgression is much larger, body, mind and soul - not just legal man made laws.
The government has authority to enact laws about marriage - the institution of marriage to PROTECT people who make that contract.
Polygamy? anyone involved is brainwashed and does not realize the harms that will resound for them and their children.
For anyone to remotely justify polygamy - the men - they will only be in a selfish narcissist mode and NOT at all thinking of the real welfare of the women if he enters polygamy. It is nothing but lust, greed, pride and selfishness.
If a man is brainwashed from youth that polygamy is o.k. ie is raised in these dysfunctional homes. - then he has a lot of work to figure out how to free himself from those concepts and constructs.
If a woman is involved - brainwashed, no ifs ands or buts.
@wwwpower1 You are a complete tool. If two, three, four people decide that they all want to raise a loving family, why is it your choice to decide what they do with their lives? You sit on your high horse thinking the way you act is going to save you, but nobody listens to people like you. You've crusaded from video to video preaching the same bull shit, but where does it get you? It is people like you that is wrong with America. A complete trample of individual civil liberties.
If freeing slaves is right, why did they have to keep it secret? If wanting to study art, or be homophile, is right, why keep it secret for a violent, judgmental parent?
I am FOR CHILDREN. I see these so called unions that are very confusing to a child - that it will adversely affect the children.
Sorry, these men are not only greedy, but not following anything but their own egos and lusts.
They drag down women and the children. Children who will not realize at times until they get older, but most already have to live with secrets, hiding and lies.
This is NOT a CIVIL liberty btw. It is against NORTH AMERICAN laws and MORAL laws.
Polygyny is perhaps not good for kids, as they might be brainwashed women are to be treated differently, but polygamy is very good for children. It will not be confusing, give them some credit.. why would it be confusing?
It is against the legal laws, which are still imperfect, but it is not immoral
Because most circles are conservative. But sexual partners? Have some decency to call it sexual romantic partners, at least. But solely sexual or solely romantic partners are as ok.
Oh and make sure you tell potential dates that you are for polygamy and sexual promiscuity. Make sure YOU do NOT remotely believe you deserve a well raised woman who has kept her virtues intact. You do not believe in such things, so don't be a hypocrit down the road.
I can't save anyone. They can only save themselves with God of course.
@wwwpower1 My current girlfriend knows that I support the equal rights of polygamists, gays, women, men, Christians, Muslims, atheists, pro-choicers and anybody else who happens to be a little different. As long as it's not infringing on my own rights, why would I let something bother me? I seriously doubt you care about anybody but yourself and getting into heaven. I know people like you and it's a little deafening to say the least. You judge when the bible says the absolute opposite.
I support equal rights too. The moral and government laws say to have only ONE wife and to be conscientious about ones sexuality. ie - one cannot have sex in public,. Homosexuality - I do not condemn, but neither do I believe that so many people are really homosexual. Sexual experimentation is most times at play. The bible - some things Jesus said are very true. I do not see much in the OT that would apply today. John 7:24 says to judge justly.
So why not ask your girfriend how she feels about you finding another woman to just have sex with when she is not paying enough attention to your ego.
Also find out if she wants to be monogamous, because if not, then you won't mind if some men (a gang of them) want to randomly have sex with her.
See, your reasoning is all off. If you have a girlfriend. Ask her how she feels when all the facts are presented about the things you espouse for healthy relationships.
@wwwpower1 I remember reading a story about the wife of a prominent royalty figure in Britain. A prominent prince from Saudi Arabia in a polygamous marriage had come to visit and the wife of the British Royal figure kept going on and on asking questions about the princes polygamous marriage. The price than replied something to the effect of "I am much like your husband. Like him I have two wives, only in in my country where polygamy is legal I can be honest about it.."
Again, what about the millions of people who manage to be faithful. You want to focus on the unfaithful to make a point, but the whole world does not all agree with infidelity.
Facts are: it is frowned upon in society and in relationships because it HURTS and BETRAYS others.
Even in so called "free love" relationships there are huge problems and eventually the surface or manifest in highly unhealthy forms in those involved.
@wwwpower1 All you can do is judge others, but can you give me an example of one marriage that has not had it's problems? Of course polygamous relationship will have problems, but that is normal of any relationship. The thing about polygamy is that it's being honest, loyal, and faithful. The fact is that polygamy is nor unfaithful, it for the most part is not hurtful, and it doesn't involve betrayal. Live and let live, and stop judging others. If you don't agree don't practice it.
I am not judging these people, I am judging the laws and morality that exists and applying it to not condone or promote this lifestyle.
Winston Blackmore in Canada has been getting away with child trafficking across the border as did Jeff Warren when he was in that area or in Salt Lake City.
The harms on women and families are replete in records or those communities.
The adultery committed is a problem. As is the identity and normalcy of the children's lives.
Comparing a monogamous marriage with polygamy? ALL marriages will go through challenges and growth. Most can work together and collaborate to make it work.
There are NO perfect individuals or no perfect marriages and I never said any such thing, nor would I ever.
that is because we are human and growing and must learn.
But..to try to normalize polygamy is wrong. It is a chaotic, confusing and is illegal, and does ultimately harm the women and children. IMHO.
Polygamy is not more chaotic and confusing than having several friends and kids and stuff. Don't underestimate the human brains ability to keep track of, and relate to, many people at once. It is just that we have an abnormal, hysterical obsession with stupid monogamy that some of us just choke. It is illegal, because most people are conservative. Some countries haven't yet legalized same sex marriage, but that clearly is right, and are just in wait of being corrected.
I am not the only one who feels this way and majority of Christians or regular people will agree.
It is wrong, the reasons are manyfold and it is against the law, morally, spiritually and physically.
Whether you or I agree about it - that really does not enter the picture. Your choice to not see or study or understand human development in all the senses.
We will agree to disagree, because there is no way I will ever believe that this serves anyone but an egotistical man.
Besides - your analogy can also be applied to stealing, or cheating etc.
If one does it - does it excuse another?
No. It is against the laws for a reason. That some men and women still insist on doing it is a problem and they ruin other peoples lives with their lies and deceits.
Oh and the male taking a mistress is NOT new. They were cads in the old days where it was silently tolerated. It still never makes it right.
@wwwpower1 So what was your college diploma in anyways? Anyways, infidelity is not something I agree with, but why can't you accept that a man can love multiple women, and those women can all love him back? I mean when a woman divorces should she never love another man again? Honestly lady, you are crazy...
I am still finishing my degree. I did that thing where I put a career, then a husband and children first. I am in Art HIstory, Visual Arts and Theory. But I was leaning toward Teaching and child development courses at one time.
I cannot accept that a man can "love" multiple women. A man or woman can most certainly fall in love with more than one person, but people are not commodities, they are humans with rights to a full life.
As far as my opinion on this matter - take it up with millions of other people, they will agree with me.
Just because I do NOT condone free for all sex and a man who wants SEX with many women does NOT make me crazy.
These men are greedy and want more than their share.
People, no matter wat their gender, age, religion or color, can love as many as they themselves are able to. People are not commodities, so polygyny and monogamy is not so good. PolyGAMY (which is gender neutral) is the best "ideology". THAT has nothing to do about greed.
POLYGAMY -? means that people are not moderate and greedy in wanting more than their share. Gender neutral? hmm, polandry - is about women having more than one husband.
Polygamy is a man having more than one wive or multiple wives. That is the definition that I am seeing.
Where do women have many or multiple husbands in North America?
It is the MEN that we see having more than one wive in FLDS sects for example. Where are the examples of women having many husbands?
The word contains nothing about greed. A rich person isn't necessarily greedy.
A lot of people are abusing the word "polygamy" to refer to one husband having several wives. The correct term for that is "polygyny". "Polygamy" is gender neutral, and includes both, but not only, polygyny and polyandry.
I disagree with the premises of your question. There are little polygamy in the USA, only some FLDS.
But outside of the USA, we have instances of polyandry, in Tibet mountain cultures, and some hindu cultures. I know of none truly gender neutral polygamous countries or cultures, but I hope my country, Norway, can be the first.
Which I would disagree with that premise too. It is a man with lusts and greed who wants more than his share and in doing so, does NOT value the woman and thinks nothing of giving only a part of himself to share with many women. Unjust.
But mostly for the CHILDREN of those polygamists.
And these men are treating these women like commodities. Whose side are you on?
There is nothing that is your share. A woman is not share, and neither would a man be, if you could stop thinking of polygyny. If you love someone, you love them, even if you love another person in addition. Love doesn't care about that.
THOSE polygynistic polygamists children live in a culture with lots of other crazy factors. The polygyny is not the worst thing there, and yes, THESE men are treating women somewhat like commodities. I am on everyones side, but I don't support it
Very interesting, how is it that you do not agree with infidelity - worried now - that your girlfriend might turn tables?
How is it that you do not see the relativity with a man having more than one wife. That IS infidelity. And the more "wives" the doubling and tripling or quadrupling of the counts of infidelity.
But the children are the ones who end up being the most affected.
As far as me getting to heaven? That has nothing to do with why I comment on these channels. My work with God is totally separate and only I can work on myself with God.
My humanity gene tells me, whether god or heaven exist, that most important is to treat people well now. Women and children and men.
Treat one well. A free for all sex orgy does not make the world a safe and healthy place.
If people are in my presence (never met a polygamist). I would be respectful. Especially to the children.
However, if I am asked my opinion about this lifestyle, I can refer to issues outside personalities. This is an illegal form of marriage or cohabitating.
If this was to be a controversy in our neighbourhood, I hope not, then there would be a problem allowing this to be flaunted in our community. ie Winston Blackmore and his 20 wives and over 80 children.
You can be well raised and kept your virtues intact, and still be for polygamy and sexual promiscuity. I am. It is easy to save oneself even without God.
But....my words to defend women and children and expose things for what they really are can make people realize not all are in agreement and not all are sheeple.
Men and women have a hard enough time to manage in monogamous loving marriages to meet the many needs of their relationship, families and responsiblities.
Let alone the necessary nuturing that is required.
For any man to think himself such a hero, stud, super father to have more than one wife is a total egotistcal and greedy person.
But I go one step further to stay that man then destroys others lives with his greed, by enticing women into his harem.
@wwwpower1 Not all couples have difficulties in their relationship. My own loving marriage is nearly perfect with the only stressors being outside the marriage. I know several dozen families that also can say the same. Methinks your statement is based on the assumption of difficulties that don't always exist due to your personal experience or observation. Perhaps you need to meet new people to see loving stable families. I can suggest some places to go to find them.
I Never implied that monogomous marriages are not good.
I said that polygamy is wrong and eventually that will harm all involved. Especially with their souls, nothing to mention the problems that will arise with children.
Are you a polygamous? then you cannot say your marriage is nearly perfect - for you are not properly married if you have more than one wife. You would then be an adulterer by ALL intents and purposes.
@wwwpower1 It is your opinion that Polygamy is adultery and without Biblical support for the opinion.
No, the government does not have the authority to regulate marriage. It may have self assumed this power, but it has never been given it by the people.
So anyone who has a different opinion is brainwashed? Perhaps brainwashed is believing that which is different is wrong? Judge not least thee be judge by the same measure. Do you actually know any polygamists? On what do you judge all polygamy
If the men have a right/privilege to several wives, but the women have not to several husbands, there is your inequality. That is not polygamy, that is polyGYNY!
@damina1990 A statement doesn't make it a fact. A religion is sinply following a set of rules based on some standard. The Mormon church is simply a branch of Christianity that has progressed to having a closer bases on God's will. Judaism has the Old Testament (Torah), Christianity has the New Testament (Book 2) and the LDS church has the 3rd book, the Book of Mormon which is another testament of Jesus Christ.
polygamy always has problems and my frnd lives in a polygamous family n he is suffering so u knoww men can never be equal and love cant be for more than one
You had a very nice video. You may be interested in watching, "The LDS Awakening" video too. It shows how the 1999 tornado that came through temple square was a sign that God is not pleased. The church has abandoned many sacred truths that Joseph Smith restored through revelations.
@Rabbitthat If you mean sexually, that would be called lesbianism, which according to the Scriptures is not according to Yahweh's design for intimacy.
It makes no meaning to have a marriage where not everyone loves each other. The women here are not directly married to each other, but it does count as the same marriage, not two separate? It needs not be lesbianism (or rather, bisexualism), but if it is, all the better, then it is a fantastic triad. What would also be better is if it wasn't polygyny, but polygamy, gender neutral, and the women could have multiple men (or women (and thus men have other men)).
all religion is this ridiculous when you view it objectively- control brainwashing while you profess its choice. It's not choice if you don't have any education of anything different
As we in our society are brainwashed to monogamy, believing that love should only be between two people, and that love actually is wrong if not. We have little knowledge of any alternatives (polyamory!), and it is quite a taboo. It is so deep we believe it is our instinct and nature, and some of us may never free ourselves from it. Not WANT to free ourselves, even.
@Petfal I agree, we are a brainwashed society. I think religion is the problem with poligamist cults- not the polyamy itself. Frankly what ever consenting adults do is no one's business. The communities that keep people uneducated and marry off girls to old men are sick but it a group of adults with choices wants to be a married group they should be left to do as they like. peace
I think the moral of this story is simply to follow your heart and do what makes you happy. Follow your dreams in whatever direction it takes you. Polygamy did not fit in their lives because they did it out of obligation and not from their own heart. I have a feeling that even if it were monogamous, that those marriages would have eventually met some serious roadblocks. The problem was not the system of relationship chosen, but the level of consciousness of the participants.
@ilgfalam2 Every marriage has problems. I think it's more important that Mormans learn about the Oneness of God, with respect to His Lordship, Worship, and Beautiful and Perfect Names and Attributes, rather than any particular act of worship like marriage.
@ilgfalam2 PAHLEEZE, yes they do. Same exact issues. Jealousy, unfairness and horniness! The men act the same way and the wives fight. Same exact thing trust me I know!
@ilgfalam2 LOL, I could write a book on why this statement is ludicrous and barely touch on the fact of just believing in Islam is such a huge problem.
From the documentaries I've seen, the wives at times live all in the same house. There are others though who had different houses. I have videos in my profile from an Oprah show on polygamy, it may give you more info. that you need.
hi everyone, question to mormons, could you please tell me when you get married like to few wives or more, can you all live in one house or gotta be different houses for every wife? you can reply privately if you want. thanks
Polygamy used to be a accepted practice in Utah and the Mormonism but since 1890, Mormon leaders banned it. Some have mentioned that it was banned because of pressures from the US government put on Mormon leaders to discontinue the practice and if the Mormon leaders followed, Utah would be declared a state, rather than just some territory.
Thannk you for share us your history. Congratulations. I'm latin.
globalmailtab 9 hours ago
Enjoyed it! Try monogamy!
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of ONE wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 1Tm.3:2. Let the deacons be the husbands of ONE wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 1Tm.3:12. If any be blameless, the husband of ONE wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. Ti. 1:6
alanplum7 2 weeks ago
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Mormon Prophet Joseph Smith, when caught porking the teen maid, "revealed", for the 1st time, that polygamy was divinely ordered (Wife #1 didn't buy the BS)
Later only to get legal, LDS flip-flopped on polygamy despite their own prophet's teaching
Romney's family tho, fled to Mexico illegally to keep polygamy. Mitt's dad slipped back across the RioGrande to be 1st MexicanAmerican to run for Prez (born Chihuahua, Mexico)
FLDS is true to Joe Smith; LDS is just more clever politically
dleechristy 2 weeks ago
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I read this book and highly recommend it for everyone who is looking in to this blasphemous religion that can take your soul to hell. The author grew up in the Mormon Church and it is a completely FALSE RELIGION!
Arm yourselves! Read the book: “CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS? The Mormon Church Versus The Office Of The Presidency of the United States of America”
certainlytruthful 1 month ago
This is so wrong, its sad.
TheAML16 1 month ago
Keep working on your books.
siouxfalls100 1 month ago
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Have u lied? Have u stolen? Jesus said if you look at a woman with lust you have committed adultery with her in your heart. have u done that?
If God judge’s u by the Ten Commandments will u be innocent or guilty? Heaven or Hell? Does this concern you?
Do u need a Savior from your sins?
Jesus (The Son of God)came, lived a sinless life, died on the cross (for our sins) and rose again on the third day.
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standingontruth1 2 months ago in playlist Reason and Science
Cool video! Thanks for sharing your story with us. You go girl! Are you still searching for a Spiritual home? Have you looked into the Catholic Church? I know we have a warped rap in pop culture, but you seem intelligent enough to figure it out with an open mind and heart. <3
rachelhelen19 3 months ago
@rachelhelen19 Thank you for the kind words. I'm basically a child of the Universe right now. Not really going to an organized church.
deseradi 3 months ago 2
@deseradi Good preference (Y)
globalmailtab 1 week ago
Tell them god told you to have 30 husbands and see what they say,this should be interesting to see.
guayacan07 3 months ago
@guayacan07 Men never like to hear that (i.e. "God told me to marry 30 other husbands"). Should be some fair play allowed.
deseradi 3 months ago
This was awesome.
maureen1002 3 months ago
I wish people didn't constantly assume that polygamy is exclusively a Mormon, and occasionally Muslim, practice, or that it can only be between one man and multiple women. Most relationships in the US that are polygamist/polyamorous have secular motivations, not religious ones. You are also as likely to meet a woman with multiple partners as a man. I know a girl who is married to both a man and a woman, and I know a guy whose girlfriend is already married. Five of those six people are Atheists.
mazerrackham001 3 months ago
@mazerrackham001 But they aren't married... They might have relationships, but just calling it a marriage does not make it so.
atheistworstenemy 3 months ago
@atheistworstenemy Many are married. If they aren't it's because they chose not to wed. Calling it a marriage is exactly what makes it so. If the people involved say they're married, they're married. The government has no right to dictate who people can and cannot dedicate their lives to. I have three wives. My state recognizes only one and it can screw right off. Many friends i have are in poly relationships-some married, others not. All involved are consenting so the government can go to hell.
mazerrackham001 3 months ago
@mazerrackham001 You're talking about a wedding ceremony, presumably, which also does not make a marriage.
Can you give me any example of any country with legalized polygamy where children are not married?
Sorry, but I don't see the point in polygamy. Marriage is about commitment, how can you commit to anyone if you're going to just go off and pursue other people? This makes zero sense whatsoever in a Western context.
atheistworstenemy 3 months ago
@atheistworstenemy If you don't see the point of polygamous relationships, then don't get involved in one. If you want to put your fingers in your ears, close your eyes and pretend we don't exist, that's fine too. You can even say that your sky god told you we're immoral and evil. So long as every free adult can do whatever they want with whomever they want, without persecution, you can say whatever discriminatory thoughts come to mind. I recognize that liberty is a two way street.
mazerrackham001 3 months ago
@atheistworstenemy What crosses the line is when the government imposes discriminatory taxes on people for marrying someone not approved by the state. Or when the government labels you a criminal and maintains the right to imprison you for dedicating your life to multiple people, while ensuring that secretly cheating on your spouse is protected under the law. Or when discriminatory people like you don’t just tell us how horrible we are for loving multiple people, but try to change us by force.
mazerrackham001 3 months ago
@atheistworstenemy Marriages don't require a ceremony. They only require whatever the people entering into them say they require. It certainly does not require the signed permission form of a state clerk and the seal of a local judge or other government sanctioned representative. A marriage is when consenting adults agree to dedicate the rest of their lives to each other and no one has the right to prevent others from marrying whomever they damn well please.
mazerrackham001 3 months ago
@atheistworstenemy Name a single country where polygamy is illegal and children have never been forced to marry. Saying polygamy should be outlawed because some people coerce others into marriage is like saying that no one should be allowed to vote anymore because some people commit voter fraud.
Coerced marriage is a crime because it infringes on the liberty of an individual. Forcing a child to marry is not the same as consenting adults agreeing to spend the rest of their lives together.
mazerrackham001 3 months ago
@mazerrackham001 It's illegal in Germany. It's also not allowed in the Netherlands. I'm pretty sure it's probably illegal in the other European countries. It's also illegal in the People's Republic of China, the Philippines, Taiwan & Singapore.
GaolisVideoLog 1 month ago
@GaolisVideoLog Yes, I know that, and if you're replying to what I think you're replying to, those countries also have had families that forced children to marry. Every country on Earth has this issue, it's a very serious issue that needs to be fought, and it is a completely separate issue from the marrying of multiple, consenting, adults. Persecuting those in the latter does not solve the former.
mazerrackham001 1 month ago
@atheistworstenemy Western tradition holds that governments and marriage don't mix. American states only started requiring government sanctioned marriages in the 20th Century to prevent interracial couples from getting married. Do you think George Washington asked the colonial courts for permission to marry when he was growing up in Virginia?
I’m sorry that you can’t understand the idea of loving multiple people. Fortunately, my love doesn’t require your understanding.
mazerrackham001 3 months ago
@atheistworstenemy Liberty consists in the freedom to do everything which injures no one else; hence the exercise of the natural rights of each man has no limits except those which assure to the other members of the society the enjoyment of the same rights. These limits can only be determined by law.
The Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, by Thomas Jefferson and the Marquis de Lafayette.
mazerrackham001 3 months ago
"Marriage is not about romance, it's about duty"
And so everyone lived unhappily together forever.
FAIL
clareintokyo 4 months ago
Great job!
iaralillylynosjohn 4 months ago
Why do keep falling in love with douchebags with ponytails?
MrQwertyqwerty12345 5 months ago
I would like to convert to fundamentalism. I really would
mgvideos1000 6 months ago
I'm not lds but I have lived in a long term commited relationship with 2 women. Honestly, it was the best of times but there are many factors that go into the success or failure of the relationship.
The 2 were step sisters and best friends so they got along great. When I was at the office they hung out, went shopping, and worked on the house together. Jealousy wasn't really a factor since the family as a whole was more important than any one of us.
I am no one to judge anyone else.
xtremefight 6 months ago
Great job on the film. I think you have a hopeful spirit and a beautiful heart.
hpsauce81 6 months ago
This is a great video!
veiwnownownow 6 months ago
She and her husband (her now husband-monogomous) were friends to me when I needed help from REAL friends! Lareena is wonderful!
scarlettohara66 7 months ago
I'm friends with Lareena. I met her a few years ago when I had briefly been teaching in the town that she lives in with her husband (she's his one and only wife and they like it that way!). I never met a happier couple in my life, seriously. She was the first ex-polygamist that I ever met (or any polygamist for that matter). She's a wonderful person and she really has an amazing life. We'll be friends forever!
scarlettohara66 7 months ago
Polygamy doesn't exit in the modern Mormon church, there isn't any evidence of it either!
So why are you people producing such blasphemous TV programs which go directly against revised LDS Church doctrine?
Just to get more views on YouTube, that makes you a troll and a view whore!!
You must be very proud of your mindless lies and Satanic blasphemous attempt to destroy the purest Church on Earth, this goes against the teachings of our Holy Founder Joseph Smith!
We don't appreciate your fake show!
Mormonites 7 months ago
@Mormonites Maybe not now. However, many former prophets, one of the most notable being Brigham Young, endorsed it as revelation from God. And although the Mormon church doesn't openly practice it today, the beliefs that plurality of marriage in their heaven exists, extists. Quick scenario here for you: A man is selling soda. A boy buys some. He tastes it and it tastes, and looks, like water. He chooses to go back to the salesman, and says it's not soda. Salesman obviously denies the...
quickstar37 7 months ago
@Mormonites You are so 'full of it'. You can deny the existence of polygamy in the Mormon church all you want, but explain Warren Jeffs et al. There has been a LOT of stuff in the news over the past years about polygamy and the church. We all KNOW it exists, and denying it simply makes you look silly. Now, you're right if you're talking about the 'mainstream' Mormon church, but there are MANY splinter groups which call themselves Mormon and DO still practice polygamy. Just admit it please.
2hotinaz 3 months ago
@Mormonites BTW, the church also does not condone using the crude language that you have used in your comment. THIS is ungodly. Remember what the bible says about the mote in your brother's eye. I'd say you surely have a plank in your own.
2hotinaz 3 months ago
I'm not a polygamist. I just find other religions and groups kind of fascinating. This was a good film, and assuming it was based on your life I'm happy you were able to leave and find your own happiness. The Super 16 made it look vintage and kind of 70s, it's not as popular nowadays but I like it.
FlowerChild65 7 months ago
How convinient for men, how come they don't come up with a religion where woman have more than one man, that would be something! that way instead of giving your paycheck away, you will be getting double the cash, I think let me guess, it was probably a male who invented this none sence about polygamy, hey woman lets start a new religion!
andreapelayo12 8 months ago
lol do u like polygamy
DarkBelfry 8 months ago
Great film!
In Christianity (not Mormonism), though polygamy is noted as having happened in the Bible, it is never shown as having a great outcome. The clear and simple desire of God in terms of marriage is 1 man and 1 woman. In the New Testement, having only 1 wife was a requirement of Church leaders (if they were married at all). Marriage is not a requirement of Salvation, and certainly having several wives doesn't change that.
redlandz1977 8 months ago
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weak minded people.
rojoboxing 8 months ago
Great film.
Shutterbug1000 9 months ago
In Islam a man can not marry more than one if he thinks that he can not be just between them. If he thinks that he can make it and wants to do it Islam sets the limit for not more than 4 wives to marry. In that case the man have to provide for all his wives equally and their children. It is so hard to be equal with the wives that not any man can do it well. This is why most of Muslim men do not marry more than one. Isn't that awesome?
Adamtech81 9 months ago
Sister bitches not sister wives. Fugly bitches.
zapazoid 10 months ago
burce drinking the orange drank:
You gonna get raped.
TheDeistAngle 10 months ago
Wow..I want to say to any girl / woman born under any religious regimen: Please, God gave you a mind and personal will..Thank you for this video as I love the "Big Love" series, but I am so thankful for having two parents that truly loved and enjoyed each other..seems to be rare . Glad my Dad met the "bar" and held it so high for me too..
pyramid8 11 months ago
foursome every night!
77TAZ77 11 months ago
I mormon family that likes the movie Dogma? Awesome LOL
theloveshineatheist 1 year ago
great excuse for guy to get lots of sex and do it in gods name..
MrMormonslayer 1 year ago
@MrMormonslayer
Or for a woman, if it gets more men, or is bi- or homophile :D
Petfal 11 months ago
only an unexperienced person devoid of intelligence or the will to learn at all, would want to spend eternity in heaven or what most religious cults describe as heaven! no pain, no sorrow, no loss, no disappointment, no hate ... in essence everything that is part of life on a natural level!
the question that is however never answered: what drives or motivates a person into infinity? as the reasons, most people are afraid of hell, are those which keep us advancing in the first place ... oh my
Medhiv83 1 year ago
great video, although my wife would never agree to this.
jendeh1000 1 year ago
He didn't say anything, are you still a polygamist or have you changed your evil ways, I'm just kidding of course. Nice job on the movie.
didgodsaythat 1 year ago
I don't think even women in previous times liked polygamy either. I think they just had less power to stand up against it. Most women no matter what time they are living in would prefer to have their husband love and be married to them only. Well if you REALLY love your husband you would not want to share him with another woman.
misscamara12 1 year ago
Polygamy I guess has its benefits, but I feel like monogamy is always best like the Quran states even though polygamy is allowed. A man can NEVER be completely fair between more than one woman, because there will be always one that has his heart. So why put your wives through the though that you may love someone else more than them.
misscamara12 1 year ago
@misscamara12
There is NOTHING good about polygamy. It is just a mans excuse for getting away with adultery or perversions.
It harms the women and children. They are brainswashed if they do not see it. It is very sad.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1 Honestly, I must admit sometimes I do think of it as a form of legalized adultery. A second wife to me seems like a mistress still especially since no man can really fairly practice polygamy.
misscamara12 1 year ago
@misscamara12
Well, it cannot be "legalized adultery" For adultery is illegal in the eyes of North American laws, including biblical laws. Including the same laws exist in almost all countries of the world other than some Islam sects.
These women are both, mistresses and adulterers and the husband FORCES them into adultery by his greed, lust and pride to have more than his share in life. It is sad. We pray for all afflicted by this life that lives a lie.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@misscamara12 This simply isn't true that no man can fairly practice polygamy, nor is a second wife anything like a mistress.
paulmarcelrene 1 year ago
@wwwpower1 FYI, polygamy is not legal in the United States, but the fact is that marriage for many people is already pretty abusive. What exactly do you think would make a polygamous marriage any more abusive? Because personally as a man I'm pretty sure I'd have a far more complex time trying to boss around a group of woman than just one wife. A man who participates in polygamy would have to be that more responsible. It's not something I personally would ever try, but I respect those who do.
langox510x 1 year ago
@langox510x
If one man cannot handle one woman in a marriage - which most have to learn, grow and work at marriage - as evidenced by unhappy marriages- then how can he provide and support and give ATTENTION to more than one.
It means he is lustful, greedy and does only serve HIS self intererst.
Find out how many polygamists have their wives collecting child welfare as SINGLE moms - on taxpayers - your money - then come back and post.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
am realy intersted
lindashaopa 1 year ago
....this may be the most boring thing I've ever seen
xxassualtxx 1 year ago
Follow your heart....
crazylacey1616 1 year ago
Men and women, male and female. Born 50% each. 1 for 1. When one man has 7 wives, what happens to the other 6 men? Lust, greed and selfishness, all in the name of "religion" ~gag~
sparky7718 1 year ago
@sparky7718
Absolutely true!
LUST, GREED and GLUTTONY and PRIDE exist in the Polygamous man.
Polygamy will cause ENVY and ANGER and at times SLOTH amoung the wives.
How interesting that such a lifestyle will call on and exacerbate the seven deadly sins.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
yeah, nothing is EVER wrong, right ?
fuck that.
CoolAntarctican 1 year ago
"Women end up waiting on men." ~
Dang! Not in my house.
kccreature 1 year ago
Polygamy doesnt work in any situation in modern society.It's selfish and pathetic, and sets women back to the stoneage. I hope that somehow any women stuck in or considering a polygamist life can get out. Polygamy doesnt work and never will because intelligent women and men are too smart to do something so stupid.
polix 1 year ago
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I myself hava four wifes. i musta beat them savagely or they donta do whatta I tell them to do. My neighbor he a tells me he is a gonna call the police on me for the beatings I give them. I tell him, "I have married them. They are my property. I will beat them when I want. Mind your own business". The best thing abouta plural marriage is you have a four different woman, each with a three holes. Thatsa twelve holes to choose from. I supporta the polygamy.
jackstrawfrmwchta 1 year ago
this is really in the bible..
omg.
sweetlynumb86 1 year ago
@sweetlynumb86 Could be worse. The book your people look to for guidance could condone stoning women to death.
VirikNavarro 1 year ago
@sweetlynumb86 This video and this person's story places polygamy in a dark light because her experiences were unfavorable. What it doesn't show is that polygamy, like all marriages, requires all parties to work together to make the marriage(s) work. It's a matter of all parties getting along somewhat selflessly on social and economic levels. Polygamy isn't a selfish brat's favored way of living nor is it an idealist's paradise.
VirikNavarro 1 year ago
From the song Indian Summer by Audience (69), one woman will make you happy, two will make you dead.
johneamer 1 year ago
the justice is the important thing in polygame even in ISLAM.
JRDOON 1 year ago
She had sex with three or four other men, so she was practicing polyandry. She had multiple husbands. And shoul do a film on that.
LaramieTrail 1 year ago
I think sometimes we might underestimate what it takes to make a marriage work and the preparation that it might take to let another woman love the man that we love sooo much. NOT that it cannot be done. It seems that every case is diferent. Despite watching this video i still think it can be done successfully.
sammycatfan 1 year ago
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polygamy is the only way.
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EssedariusMaiestas 1 year ago
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@EssedariusMaiestas
"polygamy is the only way.
-.-"
That might be true. Especially for caucasians who's numbers are dwindling at an alarming rate.
VirikNavarro 1 year ago
I liked the film; a good message. Thanks.
forloaf 1 year ago
So if polygamy is not wrong. Can I marry three husbands? That's been my life long journey
bolelij 1 year ago
@bolelij
I fight for your right to do that! I don't like it when people use the word "polygamy" when they talk about polygyny. Polygyny is bad and stupid, no matter how you try to explain it, but gender neutral polygamy is so good most of us aren't even ready for it yet!
Petfal 1 year ago
@bolelij One for each hole?
jackstrawfrmwchta 1 year ago
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Polygamy, in itself is not wrong, but rather, when there is an inequality in the relationship between the husband and his wives. There are Biblical examples of acceptable polygamy in the Bible for Christians, such as the reference to taking as a wife your brother's wife if the brother dies.
paulmarcelrene 1 year ago
Polygamy, in itself is not wrong, but rather, when there is an inequality in the relationship between the husband and his wives. There are Biblical examples of acceptable polygamy in the Bible for Christians, such as the reference to taking as a wife your brother's wife if the brother dies.
paulmarcelrene 1 year ago
@paulmarcelrene (biblical examples) ...such as Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, as well. I agree with you. A relationship should be equal between a husband and wife and polygamists are notorious for husbands lording it over their wives. Religion is no excuse for any unkindness to a wife. No marriage will be successful based on religion and not on love.
deseradi 1 year ago
@paulmarcelrene Wow, I'm surprised to hear that in the bible it says you can marry your brother's wife when your brother dies. I thought that was just something done in my african muslim culture.
misscamara12 1 year ago
@paulmarcelrene
Polygamy, in itself IS WRONG.
Show me where the current laws of JESUS or NORTH AMERICA say it is legal or right.
YOU will not find it and the bible says that ADULTERY is wrong. Jesus said to MEN do NOT look an any other woman with lust.
Matthew 5:27
And goes further to say that a MAN cannot divorce his wife or he causes her to commit adultery.
Matthew 5:32.
Taking a dead brothers wife, yeah, show me how well that works in our society please.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1 First, the laws of man have to relationship to the laws of God because they are man's laws. Second, what is legal doesn't make it right and right isn't always legal. Abortion is legal, but is wrong. Third, A government has no authority to regulate whom is married to whom. The US Constitution does not give the government this power to regulate marriage. Four, Exodus 20:14 "You shall not commit adultery." (One of the ten commandments). Fifth, Polygamy can work for those who chose it.
paulmarcelrene 1 year ago
@paulmarcelrene
The commandment says to NOT commit adultery. Polygamy is adultery multiplied and compounded by how many women are involved. The transgression is much larger, body, mind and soul - not just legal man made laws.
The government has authority to enact laws about marriage - the institution of marriage to PROTECT people who make that contract.
Polygamy? anyone involved is brainwashed and does not realize the harms that will resound for them and their children.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
For anyone to remotely justify polygamy - the men - they will only be in a selfish narcissist mode and NOT at all thinking of the real welfare of the women if he enters polygamy. It is nothing but lust, greed, pride and selfishness.
If a man is brainwashed from youth that polygamy is o.k. ie is raised in these dysfunctional homes. - then he has a lot of work to figure out how to free himself from those concepts and constructs.
If a woman is involved - brainwashed, no ifs ands or buts.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1 You are a complete tool. If two, three, four people decide that they all want to raise a loving family, why is it your choice to decide what they do with their lives? You sit on your high horse thinking the way you act is going to save you, but nobody listens to people like you. You've crusaded from video to video preaching the same bull shit, but where does it get you? It is people like you that is wrong with America. A complete trample of individual civil liberties.
langox510x 1 year ago
@langox510x
You want to use and exploit women for sex or to see dysfunctional families encouraged?
These people all have rights to be treated fairly when they are born.
And the children of polygamous unions should NOT have to suffer or be judged.
However, find me where men can flaunt their 5 wives and 20 or so children and perhaps some are collecting WELFARE with tax dollars.
If they were so RIGHT, why do they tell their children to lie or keep it secret?
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
If freeing slaves is right, why did they have to keep it secret? If wanting to study art, or be homophile, is right, why keep it secret for a violent, judgmental parent?
Petfal 1 year ago
@langox510x
And why are you following me around?
wwwpower1 1 year ago
I am FOR CHILDREN. I see these so called unions that are very confusing to a child - that it will adversely affect the children.
Sorry, these men are not only greedy, but not following anything but their own egos and lusts.
They drag down women and the children. Children who will not realize at times until they get older, but most already have to live with secrets, hiding and lies.
This is NOT a CIVIL liberty btw. It is against NORTH AMERICAN laws and MORAL laws.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
Polygyny is perhaps not good for kids, as they might be brainwashed women are to be treated differently, but polygamy is very good for children. It will not be confusing, give them some credit.. why would it be confusing?
It is against the legal laws, which are still imperfect, but it is not immoral
Petfal 1 year ago
@langox510x
Go find a worthy cause to defend. So far all I see you defending are forms of sexual perversions.
Find a homeless or shelter - there are those there that could NOT manage in dsyfunctional homes.
It starts with being respectful to self.
Men and women are not animals in rut and heat. They are humans and above the animal kingdom.
If it is so right to have lots of sexual partners and wives - then why is it against the law or unacceptable in most circles?
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
Because most circles are conservative. But sexual partners? Have some decency to call it sexual romantic partners, at least. But solely sexual or solely romantic partners are as ok.
Petfal 1 year ago
@langox510x
Oh and make sure you tell potential dates that you are for polygamy and sexual promiscuity. Make sure YOU do NOT remotely believe you deserve a well raised woman who has kept her virtues intact. You do not believe in such things, so don't be a hypocrit down the road.
I can't save anyone. They can only save themselves with God of course.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1 My current girlfriend knows that I support the equal rights of polygamists, gays, women, men, Christians, Muslims, atheists, pro-choicers and anybody else who happens to be a little different. As long as it's not infringing on my own rights, why would I let something bother me? I seriously doubt you care about anybody but yourself and getting into heaven. I know people like you and it's a little deafening to say the least. You judge when the bible says the absolute opposite.
langox510x 1 year ago
@langox510x
I support equal rights too. The moral and government laws say to have only ONE wife and to be conscientious about ones sexuality. ie - one cannot have sex in public,. Homosexuality - I do not condemn, but neither do I believe that so many people are really homosexual. Sexual experimentation is most times at play. The bible - some things Jesus said are very true. I do not see much in the OT that would apply today. John 7:24 says to judge justly.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
Moral laws does not say have only one spouse. Polygamy is more moral than monogamy. Polygyny is less moral.
Petfal 1 year ago
@langox510x
So why not ask your girfriend how she feels about you finding another woman to just have sex with when she is not paying enough attention to your ego.
Also find out if she wants to be monogamous, because if not, then you won't mind if some men (a gang of them) want to randomly have sex with her.
See, your reasoning is all off. If you have a girlfriend. Ask her how she feels when all the facts are presented about the things you espouse for healthy relationships.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1 I remember reading a story about the wife of a prominent royalty figure in Britain. A prominent prince from Saudi Arabia in a polygamous marriage had come to visit and the wife of the British Royal figure kept going on and on asking questions about the princes polygamous marriage. The price than replied something to the effect of "I am much like your husband. Like him I have two wives, only in in my country where polygamy is legal I can be honest about it.."
langox510x 1 year ago
@langox510x
Again, what about the millions of people who manage to be faithful. You want to focus on the unfaithful to make a point, but the whole world does not all agree with infidelity.
Facts are: it is frowned upon in society and in relationships because it HURTS and BETRAYS others.
Even in so called "free love" relationships there are huge problems and eventually the surface or manifest in highly unhealthy forms in those involved.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1 All you can do is judge others, but can you give me an example of one marriage that has not had it's problems? Of course polygamous relationship will have problems, but that is normal of any relationship. The thing about polygamy is that it's being honest, loyal, and faithful. The fact is that polygamy is nor unfaithful, it for the most part is not hurtful, and it doesn't involve betrayal. Live and let live, and stop judging others. If you don't agree don't practice it.
langox510x 1 year ago
@langox510x
I am not judging these people, I am judging the laws and morality that exists and applying it to not condone or promote this lifestyle.
Winston Blackmore in Canada has been getting away with child trafficking across the border as did Jeff Warren when he was in that area or in Salt Lake City.
The harms on women and families are replete in records or those communities.
The adultery committed is a problem. As is the identity and normalcy of the children's lives.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@langox510x
Comparing a monogamous marriage with polygamy? ALL marriages will go through challenges and growth. Most can work together and collaborate to make it work.
There are NO perfect individuals or no perfect marriages and I never said any such thing, nor would I ever.
that is because we are human and growing and must learn.
But..to try to normalize polygamy is wrong. It is a chaotic, confusing and is illegal, and does ultimately harm the women and children. IMHO.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
Polygamy is not more chaotic and confusing than having several friends and kids and stuff. Don't underestimate the human brains ability to keep track of, and relate to, many people at once. It is just that we have an abnormal, hysterical obsession with stupid monogamy that some of us just choke. It is illegal, because most people are conservative. Some countries haven't yet legalized same sex marriage, but that clearly is right, and are just in wait of being corrected.
Petfal 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
Slavery was legal once, even, but that doesn't mean it is right. True, gender neutral polygamy does not harm the women nor the children.
Petfal 1 year ago
@langox510x
I am not the only one who feels this way and majority of Christians or regular people will agree.
It is wrong, the reasons are manyfold and it is against the law, morally, spiritually and physically.
Whether you or I agree about it - that really does not enter the picture. Your choice to not see or study or understand human development in all the senses.
We will agree to disagree, because there is no way I will ever believe that this serves anyone but an egotistical man.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@langox510x
Polygyny, on the other hand, is a little less honest, loyal and faithful.
Petfal 1 year ago
@langox510x
Besides - your analogy can also be applied to stealing, or cheating etc.
If one does it - does it excuse another?
No. It is against the laws for a reason. That some men and women still insist on doing it is a problem and they ruin other peoples lives with their lies and deceits.
Oh and the male taking a mistress is NOT new. They were cads in the old days where it was silently tolerated. It still never makes it right.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1 So what was your college diploma in anyways? Anyways, infidelity is not something I agree with, but why can't you accept that a man can love multiple women, and those women can all love him back? I mean when a woman divorces should she never love another man again? Honestly lady, you are crazy...
langox510x 1 year ago
@langox510x
I am still finishing my degree. I did that thing where I put a career, then a husband and children first. I am in Art HIstory, Visual Arts and Theory. But I was leaning toward Teaching and child development courses at one time.
What are you studying?
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@langox510x
I cannot accept that a man can "love" multiple women. A man or woman can most certainly fall in love with more than one person, but people are not commodities, they are humans with rights to a full life.
As far as my opinion on this matter - take it up with millions of other people, they will agree with me.
Just because I do NOT condone free for all sex and a man who wants SEX with many women does NOT make me crazy.
These men are greedy and want more than their share.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
People, no matter wat their gender, age, religion or color, can love as many as they themselves are able to. People are not commodities, so polygyny and monogamy is not so good. PolyGAMY (which is gender neutral) is the best "ideology". THAT has nothing to do about greed.
Petfal 1 year ago
@Petfal
POLYGAMY -? means that people are not moderate and greedy in wanting more than their share. Gender neutral? hmm, polandry - is about women having more than one husband.
Polygamy is a man having more than one wive or multiple wives. That is the definition that I am seeing.
Where do women have many or multiple husbands in North America?
It is the MEN that we see having more than one wive in FLDS sects for example. Where are the examples of women having many husbands?
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
POLYGAMY means, from the greek roots:
POLY: many, very, much
GAMY: marriage
The word contains nothing about greed. A rich person isn't necessarily greedy.
A lot of people are abusing the word "polygamy" to refer to one husband having several wives. The correct term for that is "polygyny". "Polygamy" is gender neutral, and includes both, but not only, polygyny and polyandry.
I disagree with the premises of your question. There are little polygamy in the USA, only some FLDS.
Petfal 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
But outside of the USA, we have instances of polyandry, in Tibet mountain cultures, and some hindu cultures. I know of none truly gender neutral polygamous countries or cultures, but I hope my country, Norway, can be the first.
Petfal 1 year ago
@Petfal
Which I would disagree with that premise too. It is a man with lusts and greed who wants more than his share and in doing so, does NOT value the woman and thinks nothing of giving only a part of himself to share with many women. Unjust.
But mostly for the CHILDREN of those polygamists.
And these men are treating these women like commodities. Whose side are you on?
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
There is nothing that is your share. A woman is not share, and neither would a man be, if you could stop thinking of polygyny. If you love someone, you love them, even if you love another person in addition. Love doesn't care about that.
THOSE polygynistic polygamists children live in a culture with lots of other crazy factors. The polygyny is not the worst thing there, and yes, THESE men are treating women somewhat like commodities. I am on everyones side, but I don't support it
Petfal 1 year ago
@langox510x
Very interesting, how is it that you do not agree with infidelity - worried now - that your girlfriend might turn tables?
How is it that you do not see the relativity with a man having more than one wife. That IS infidelity. And the more "wives" the doubling and tripling or quadrupling of the counts of infidelity.
But the children are the ones who end up being the most affected.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@langox510x Anyway, I have to go. I may take this up again.
Have a good evening.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@langox510x
I bet they do not have polygamy in Saudi Arabia. What if one of the women said the same thing about husbands!?
Petfal 1 year ago
@langox510x
As far as me getting to heaven? That has nothing to do with why I comment on these channels. My work with God is totally separate and only I can work on myself with God.
My humanity gene tells me, whether god or heaven exist, that most important is to treat people well now. Women and children and men.
Treat one well. A free for all sex orgy does not make the world a safe and healthy place.
Do what you want attitude creates chaos.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1 And how would you treat the men, women, and children of a polygamous family?
langox510x 1 year ago
@langox510x
If people are in my presence (never met a polygamist). I would be respectful. Especially to the children.
However, if I am asked my opinion about this lifestyle, I can refer to issues outside personalities. This is an illegal form of marriage or cohabitating.
If this was to be a controversy in our neighbourhood, I hope not, then there would be a problem allowing this to be flaunted in our community. ie Winston Blackmore and his 20 wives and over 80 children.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
A free for all sex orgy is good for those that want it, but has very little to do with polygamy.
Petfal 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
You can be well raised and kept your virtues intact, and still be for polygamy and sexual promiscuity. I am. It is easy to save oneself even without God.
Petfal 1 year ago
But....my words to defend women and children and expose things for what they really are can make people realize not all are in agreement and not all are sheeple.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
Men and women have a hard enough time to manage in monogamous loving marriages to meet the many needs of their relationship, families and responsiblities.
Let alone the necessary nuturing that is required.
For any man to think himself such a hero, stud, super father to have more than one wife is a total egotistcal and greedy person.
But I go one step further to stay that man then destroys others lives with his greed, by enticing women into his harem.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1 Not all couples have difficulties in their relationship. My own loving marriage is nearly perfect with the only stressors being outside the marriage. I know several dozen families that also can say the same. Methinks your statement is based on the assumption of difficulties that don't always exist due to your personal experience or observation. Perhaps you need to meet new people to see loving stable families. I can suggest some places to go to find them.
paulmarcelrene 1 year ago
@paulmarcelrene
I Never implied that monogomous marriages are not good.
I said that polygamy is wrong and eventually that will harm all involved. Especially with their souls, nothing to mention the problems that will arise with children.
Are you a polygamous? then you cannot say your marriage is nearly perfect - for you are not properly married if you have more than one wife. You would then be an adulterer by ALL intents and purposes.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@paulmarcelrene
As for monogamous marriages? I know plenty of good people whose marriages are pretty good. But
I do NOT know any perfect marriages, it is impossible. They learned or grew into their responsiblities and it is not perfection that got them there.
Only God is perfect.
We can try to attain such things, but there is no such thing on earth. We are all works in progress, some manage better than others.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
God is transcendent, so it is no use to talk about it in a discussion, that is for worshipping only.
Petfal 1 year ago
@wwwpower1 It is your opinion that Polygamy is adultery and without Biblical support for the opinion.
No, the government does not have the authority to regulate marriage. It may have self assumed this power, but it has never been given it by the people.
So anyone who has a different opinion is brainwashed? Perhaps brainwashed is believing that which is different is wrong? Judge not least thee be judge by the same measure. Do you actually know any polygamists? On what do you judge all polygamy
paulmarcelrene 1 year ago
@paulmarcelrene
If the men have a right/privilege to several wives, but the women have not to several husbands, there is your inequality. That is not polygamy, that is polyGYNY!
Petfal 1 year ago
mormon is not a religion, its a cult!
damina1990 1 year ago
@damina1990 A statement doesn't make it a fact. A religion is sinply following a set of rules based on some standard. The Mormon church is simply a branch of Christianity that has progressed to having a closer bases on God's will. Judaism has the Old Testament (Torah), Christianity has the New Testament (Book 2) and the LDS church has the 3rd book, the Book of Mormon which is another testament of Jesus Christ.
paulmarcelrene 1 year ago
polygamy always has problems and my frnd lives in a polygamous family n he is suffering so u knoww men can never be equal and love cant be for more than one
ayesha975 1 year ago
@ayesha975
Well, sometimes love can be for two people, and sometimes even for three.
Petfal 1 year ago
You had a very nice video. You may be interested in watching, "The LDS Awakening" video too. It shows how the 1999 tornado that came through temple square was a sign that God is not pleased. The church has abandoned many sacred truths that Joseph Smith restored through revelations.
samuelonthewall 1 year ago
i'm glad she got out of that rut when she did. also wish she wouldn't have cut her hair off cause now she looks like a man.
misscalories 1 year ago
very interesting vid, thanks for posting.
karnisov 1 year ago
Wouldn't it work better if the two women loved each other as well? Is that not allowed?
Rabbitthat 1 year ago
@Rabbitthat If you mean sexually, that would be called lesbianism, which according to the Scriptures is not according to Yahweh's design for intimacy.
davegooley 1 year ago
@Rabbitthat
It makes no meaning to have a marriage where not everyone loves each other. The women here are not directly married to each other, but it does count as the same marriage, not two separate? It needs not be lesbianism (or rather, bisexualism), but if it is, all the better, then it is a fantastic triad. What would also be better is if it wasn't polygyny, but polygamy, gender neutral, and the women could have multiple men (or women (and thus men have other men)).
Petfal 1 year ago
@Petfal
But, of course, if the better alternatives is not allowed by ones set of rules, then trouble may be inherent ;)
Petfal 1 year ago
haha nice :)
more men for normal women :)
alennna 1 year ago
all religion is this ridiculous when you view it objectively- control brainwashing while you profess its choice. It's not choice if you don't have any education of anything different
mompm 1 year ago
@mompm
As we in our society are brainwashed to monogamy, believing that love should only be between two people, and that love actually is wrong if not. We have little knowledge of any alternatives (polyamory!), and it is quite a taboo. It is so deep we believe it is our instinct and nature, and some of us may never free ourselves from it. Not WANT to free ourselves, even.
Petfal 1 year ago
@Petfal I agree, we are a brainwashed society. I think religion is the problem with poligamist cults- not the polyamy itself. Frankly what ever consenting adults do is no one's business. The communities that keep people uneducated and marry off girls to old men are sick but it a group of adults with choices wants to be a married group they should be left to do as they like. peace
mompm 1 year ago
@mompm Thank you. I completely agree with you.
deseradi 1 year ago
I think the moral of this story is simply to follow your heart and do what makes you happy. Follow your dreams in whatever direction it takes you. Polygamy did not fit in their lives because they did it out of obligation and not from their own heart. I have a feeling that even if it were monogamous, that those marriages would have eventually met some serious roadblocks. The problem was not the system of relationship chosen, but the level of consciousness of the participants.
keishalew 1 year ago
lol all religions that allow men to follow his own desires have probelms
alexandriarayne 1 year ago
Mormons should learn polygamy rules in Islam, because polygamist Muslims do not have problems
ilgfalam2 1 year ago 2
Muslim polygamists don't have problems? Oh...I doubt that.
deseradi 1 year ago 8
@ilgfalam2 Every marriage has problems. I think it's more important that Mormans learn about the Oneness of God, with respect to His Lordship, Worship, and Beautiful and Perfect Names and Attributes, rather than any particular act of worship like marriage.
troysmith420 1 year ago
@ilgfalam2 Polygamy in islam is not encouraged at all. It is an exception not the rule. I don't know what you are talking about
awa80 1 year ago
@ilgfalam2 PAHLEEZE, yes they do. Same exact issues. Jealousy, unfairness and horniness! The men act the same way and the wives fight. Same exact thing trust me I know!
mycutesims 1 year ago
@ilgfalam2 LOL, I could write a book on why this statement is ludicrous and barely touch on the fact of just believing in Islam is such a huge problem.
paulmarcelrene 1 year ago
@ilgfalam2 Really? That's probably only because in Fundamentalist Islam, women are probably more scared to say anything.
paradigm71 1 year ago
dudefromlondon,
From the documentaries I've seen, the wives at times live all in the same house. There are others though who had different houses. I have videos in my profile from an Oprah show on polygamy, it may give you more info. that you need.
PolyPride3 2 years ago
oops, sorry guys, first asked a question than watched the vid:D
dudefromlondon 2 years ago
hi everyone, question to mormons, could you please tell me when you get married like to few wives or more, can you all live in one house or gotta be different houses for every wife? you can reply privately if you want. thanks
dudefromlondon 2 years ago
Polygamy used to be a accepted practice in Utah and the Mormonism but since 1890, Mormon leaders banned it. Some have mentioned that it was banned because of pressures from the US government put on Mormon leaders to discontinue the practice and if the Mormon leaders followed, Utah would be declared a state, rather than just some territory.
Lexus4l4l 2 years ago