If post-modernism is really the rejection of absolute truth-claims then it isn't surprising its followers have trouble defining it in objective terms. Just as every every definition and quallification of art is equally valid by post-modern standards, so is every interpretation of the meaning of post-modernism itself. Those who don't subscribe to it still see it as needing an objective definition though, so it is they who define it according to what they see: absurdity for absurdity's sake.
@Merc240x Oh really now? If the statement "there are no objective truths" is true then guess what? It's an objective truth! You cannot escape objectivity.
@datasoluble Ever heard of Science? And don't give me that bullshit that science is all just subjective opinion, if that were true I guess you wouldn't mind jumping off a tall building if gravity is truly just opinion?
I despise post modernism, I worship classical greek and roman thought... I find it vaguely depressing that the only people discussing this stuff seem to be christians, I feel rationalists and conservative humanists like myself will be forced to join forces with them to defeat post modern hippy communists and islamists before the day is done
@selvmordspilot true but all the post modernists I know seem to have read joyce not nietzsche, I mean apart from nietzsche saying a few lines about truth being somewhat relative and limits to the 'knowable' he was pretty straightforward and would certainly have no time for the kind limp wristed molly-coddling these 'every idea is equally valid' types go in for. Joyce with his pandering to the anti hero seems to be an icon to these fembots
DA Carson is correct in his assessment that postmodernism ultimately wants to make it impossible to listen to anything God has to say. Check out our video on this subject.
PM to me is the collision of cultures as a result of modern society coming together and put back together with distinctive parts of each culture visible. Modern being a industrial response and post modern an adaption from the past. Postmodern being a complete hybrid of any distinctive cultural form from the past. A way to use great art from the past combined with modern technology. But that comes from my head. I hear the experts talk about something different. I think PM was ruined by morons.
Why are we so addicted to the idea of life having an objective meaning? Your life means what you make it mean, through your relationships and experiences. Life is FULL of experiential meaning, but it has not one all-encompassing meaning. What could that even look like? Would you want your life to be summed up by one statement or thought? A slogan or a punchline? Life can be lovely without the need for sentimental justification. The experiences are what matters, as they happen...in real time.
@DrTorture28 It was meant to be. Thanks. Though not an " Ist " or " Ism ", I think plenty of post-modern concepts are valid. People keep their thought too static; in an ever-changing world, this is ineffective. I am not afraid of being called a Commie or a Hippie, or what ever else is thrown at me. People who speak that way seem laughable to me. Fuck Bronze-Age though.
This is horribly slanted. Not at all an accurate or object take on PM. Humans are not losing their religion because of PM, they are losing it because we are evolving away from needing fairy tales.
So postmodernism, as I understand it, is that everything needs to be questioned, and nothing is totally true, including the definition of postmodernism?
More than one quadrillion dollar total notional value of derivatives outstanding with no real assets to back it up, and you go "what the hell??" and people just shrug their shoulders....that's my definition of post-modernism.
ok, so postmodernism is whatever bullshit, crazy-ass, relative ideas that seems good to you and you believing in these ideas, makes them absolute....even though they goes against current common-place ideas and objective science---UNTIL your bullshit crazy ideas becomes the NEW common-place or objective science?
so basically, postmodernism is being stubborn.
that seems easy enough, so what is post-post modernism---what more craziness and/or more stubbornness?
Science does not claim the ability to know everything, or the truth. Science deals only with facts.
Most simply, Postmodernism is supposed to represent the end of personal-social-political innocence, replaced by skepticism, cynicism and irony. It comes from philosophers and other social scientists and has had little affect on anything outside of the art establishment. Except for the arts, it's pretty much a non-issue.
Postmodernism is a pile of shit that selectively takes the precepts of nihilism and attempts to use them to rationalize the schools of thought marginalized by society, what it creates is a jumbled pile of shit, that does not make sense no matter which viewpoint you look at it from, it is not logical, it does not accomplish a goal and it doesn't give us a goal. It is literally whatever the fuck you want it to be, that last sentence is said with the utmost of disgust.
what is the goal then mate? Reality collapsed a few years ago FYI. You can cling to your own idea of the goal of man, but really your just deluding your self. why existence at all?? . Logic is only one way of getting things done. it needs its counterpart, Art or the right brain approach. THis is what postmodernisim suggests to me. The pond is deeper than the enlightenment era thought, thats why Po-mo makes no sence, in the traditional way of making sense that is...
Your goal is whatever you want it to be, however that doesn't make it logical. There is a difference between what is and what we want. Everyone has opinions and views but that doesn't make them true. You are right in that logic is only a tool for meeting a goal. However, it is also the only way to perceive the world. If you attempt to perceive with emotion then you are not perceiving but fabricating.
@paddyrock666 Our emotions and illogic give us goals and our logic achieves them. But to claim that your goals are logical or true is to delude yourself and others and it is a very stupid delusion. We do not get that shiny toy in the store simply because we want it. You do choose your own goals but if discussed in the context of what is, those goals are illogical, wrong and senseless. There is no reason for existence. You can invent one, but you will be deluding yourself.
The "non-traditional" way of thinking you're talking about is simply looking at everything from a subjective viewpoint and then acting as if it was objective and absolute, in other words self-delusion. It is "true" because you've fabricated your own imaginary world. Viewed from an objective point the "traditional" way of thinking, it is false. There are no truths we can perceive absolutely but we can come pretty close. Everything is absolute because there is only one way they are.
what the fuck, what the hell is postmodernism in a simple sentence. if you ask me what a banana look like i would say its yellow and a curved moon shape. i dont go on and say Bananas, like most fruit, are made up of about 25 percent dry, pulpy matter and 75 percent water. i just get to the point. so can someone explain to me what is postmodernism in a simple sentence and with words that everyone can understand to.
@TheAce24000, Postmodernism is a politically correct philosophy that believes that purpose and meaning are all subjective, and it rejects objective truth, scientific truth, and common sense.
@TheAce24000 Postmodernism in simple terms is the death of the critic. It used to be that the critic defines what is good taste. Today everybody is a critic. Guys like Derrida put all that in a greater perspective. For example, movies have no meaning. They get meaning through the viewer/interpreter. That's really just a finer way of saying that everybody is a critic. In a nutshell, postmodernism is the rejection of Plato's idea that everything has an essence.
@TheAce24000 There are no absolutes. What ever you believe you can believe it to be true for you. Anyone can believe anything to be true. Ex. That banana is yellow. No, it's red because I believe it is. The whole idea is just ridiculous.
There most likely are absolutes but it is very unlikely that we could know them absolutely. However there is probability and the banana is orders of magnitude more likely to be yellow than red because of previous empirical evidence. So yes it is a ridiculous concept. The statement there is no absolutes is an absolute, it is implying that the statement itself is the only absolute, therefore it is self-contradictory.
@ShadowStormDX I'm a Christian so I definitely believe there are absolutes. I'm trying to get people who believe in PM to think about what they believe in. The whole idea is just ridiculous to me. The point that nothing is absolute and nothing has meaning is just impossible to grasp.
@MrJdom24 It is not impossible to grasp, it would entail only a simple objective examination of empirical evidence from our lives. However the problem is that it goes against human nature to observe something we believe in objectively. Humans are ruled by delusions, humans live because of their self-delusions. However we cannot make something true by simply wanting it to be true, we can only delude ourselves into believing it to be true.
@MrJdom24 - Impossible to grasp - that's the whole premise of pm. For you god is an absolute, for me the concept is just a cultural metanarrative (as the postmods would say). We all attribute and invest our own meanings in phenomena - so our knowledge is relative, not absolute - even if we are so bold to feel convinced enough to say that we have attained a 'truth'.
@cahillgreg PM's say there are no meta-narratives. Which is an absolute fact to them. Anything a PM says breaks down their whole worldview because there is no absolute truth. Well, is that absolutely true?
"The statement there is no absolutes is an absolute, it is implying that the statement itself is the only absolute, therefore it is self-contradictory."
My question to you postmodernists is this, if there is no truth, how do you know that that statement ('there is no truth and no way of knowing') is true? The truth of the matter is that there is Absolute Truth, it is found in the Word of God, the Bible, and in God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. There is Absolute truth, and it is found in the Lord Jesus Christ!
Postmodernism: There is no truth and no way of knowing.....but the 100% truth is God exists (usually the Christian one) and we are losing sight of that. Seems a bit contradictory. The truth is that after centuries of the church having a monopoly on "truth",sometimes by force,people began to realize that what they had been told was rubbish,false on many levels and a construct of control. Once this power was lost then all of the sudden everything and nothing became true to try to keep relevance.
I cant take this anymore..i look up postmodernism...........read "cloud nine" which supposedly had characteristics in it and I still cant find a question for my IB research investigation paper............this makes no sense!!!!!!!!!!!!
And it is evident with the vast amount of access we now have to information which questions the grand narratives which the enlightment and empricism has put in place... instead of discord amongst belief systems we now have discord within belief systems - Orthodox Jews vs Zionist Jews, the Multistranded faith of christianity with God knows how many denominations... and it goes on and on through out politics and etc... that is what postmodernism also is...
or any type of question which digs deeper then wall street, economics and those institutions which are seen at face value...
I think that for folks to say that postmodernism is bullshit, are slightly un aware of how exactly postmodern thought came about Freidrick Nietzsech in 1888 expressed postmodern thought. And there have been others Marx,Foucault, Lyotard, Francois and many more which have added there own take on the matter. But the main point is that we are living in a post modern society
its really not that complicated postmodernism in its multiplicity and vast interpretations by people like you and I and sociological theorists is just nihilism - nihilism being the notion that reason and truth is now questionable. And it does make sense seen as alot of the 18th century Enlightenment impiricism has since been found flawed - there is no one answer to every social problem or any problem for that matter and science and maths CAN NOT solve anything in relation to the cosmos
Even its name "Postmodern" is nonsensical. Modern means present time. Post means after. So.....After now?
I see this deluded way of thinking often used as a sad excuse to accept ludicrous ideas like literary interpretations of Genesis. Its just a attempt to discredit every thing Science and logic based that we have come to know through infinite suffering and thousands of years. This kind of thought process will send us back to the dark ages.
The all-out effort to drag us from a science oriented, interplanetary society, (we were) back down to a.. 'new' DARK AGE..!!!!
The cults have always sought to shackle the populace down to the dogmatic ignorance of a very dark era indeed. It has happened over & over - throughout history. America's began with the murder of JFK. Soon followed by RFK & MLK. The very same scumbags that engineered those murders.. have spread around the planet. Roman empire.. Babylon.. The wandering...
the post-modern view on science is not trying to destroy science, it is just pointing out the nature of finding 'truths.' It's just a different way of looking at science.
Basically, we can make lots of good theories and predictions, but we can never really get to the core of truth. One point made is that when we make observations or measurements we leave out an infinite amount of information that is involved.
It can seem kind of nit-picky and trivial at first, but it makes sense.
I'll take a crack at the definition. Postmodern thought; is a thought process designed not to have a point but rather to undermined established truth.
post modernism is the irrational dis belief of any thing that has to this point been proven by science, it has no facts and no fiction and in theory disregards any thing that has ever been said, but not through the use of logic but ignorance, as in post modernism there is no logic, but if there is no logic behind it, does that not condemn its self to being hypocritical bullshit. I would compare it to a man trying to kill everyone and then himself, irrational and unable to be spoken to
The problem is simpel: Postmodernism says that there is no absolute truth, there's only interpretation (ergo this is also an interpretation). What it does is destroy all claims made. It leaves a wasteland behind and concedes nothing itself except doubt...
I see it as the ultimate truth of our incompetence. That's the message, lets accept and choose a goal anyway, knowing it might be wrong but hoping it is right.
Postmodernism in itself is a metanarrative. It is a "big story" that says: "there is no big story". It's a big story that doesn't admit to be a big story.
The only reason postmodernism is infallible is because Logic is an absoloute truth, and postmodernism doesn't believe in those, so any arguement you make against it is invalid.
You can't prove it is stupid, because "Postmodernism is dumb" is a truth, and such things apparently don't exist, so it is only by our gut feelings that we know that it is stupid, and trusting our gut feelings would be seen as irrational.
Postmodernism is a pile of contrived shit which cloaks its vacuity with seemingly erudite language and concepts, e.g. metanarratives, attach meta- to any normal word. Put -ian at the end of any name, e.g. Deleuzian, Lacanian, Irigarayian, Foucaltian. Postmodernism is contributing nothing to thought, while trying to destroy the credibility of science. Its the art of knitting a tawdry fabric of words around an intangible concept. 'To exist is to presuppose a previous Deleuzian metaexistence....'
@EclecticSceptic Ahhh, but you forget that Deleuzian metaexistence contravenes the established metaprinciples of Lacanian thought AND metathought. It is only through the deconstruction of these metanarrative strands of post-hegelian structuralism that we come to understand the true relativism behind our existence and these Deleuzian principles... (in other words, it never hurts to chuck in a few -isms either!)
@EclecticSceptic Ok first of all, in using words like "vacuity" and "erudite" you are participating in exactly what you are critiquing. Second of all, you aren't saying a single thing about the substance behind the terminology that you just threw out. So your problem is that postmodernism has terminology and jargon? Every philosophy and science does. What about the substance behind Lacanian psychology? What do you find wrong with it? What is wrong with the concept of a metanarrative?
No. Vacuity and erudite are real words used in their proper contexts. Do you want me to pretend they don't exist? Maybe they metaexist. The concept of a metanarrative is pure bullshit. It means nothing. That is the problem. There is nothing to analyse in Postmodernism. It's pseudophilosophy. And you don't have to be Wittgenstein to see that one big problem of philosophy is the use of complex jargon.
@okkoto Jargon is meant to be an expedient. It can't be an expedient if there's nothing to say in the first place. What's wrong with Lacan? Freud? They aren't scientists. Psychology is a science. Science is the only method known to humans which can obtain and verify knowledge reliably. As in, give me a nice Postmodernist argument there. Try to deliver it without using any made up words full of prefixes and terms stolen from real philosophy. What would a postmodern particle accelerator look like?
@EclecticSceptic metanarratives are modernism. Postmodernism challenges the metanaratives. The death of the critic is postmodernism. Nowadays everybody is a critic, not least thanks to the postmodern Internet. Then we have the destructive form of postmodernism, identified as junk postmodernism by Lyotard. Intelligent Design and the Discovery Institute are junk postmodernism and a threat to science.
When the one guy was about to quote the french dude's definition of Postmodernism, I was like, "uh oh, here come some serious gibberish..." and then he busts out, "incredulity to meta-narratives." Ha ha!
Let me define Postmodernism; "Making up fancy-pants words for simple and un-profound ideas to make oneself sound smarter than everybody else."
But is it easy to know there is an absence of truth about an absence of truth? How can you trust your own senses? The only reason one does trust his own senses is because it is seen as foolish not to.
Postmodernism is basically a complete lack of faith in anything, including logic, the world, and itself. It's basic core belief is that there is no truth, so 1=0 and Winston Churchill might aswell be a carrot, as no truth is more valid than the next.
The paradigm isn't whether a statement, or a meta-narrative, is true for everyone, but how the "truth" is constructed and maintained. Discourse, how we speak, creates truth. This actually makes the world a flavorful place. If everything were as one dimensional as pure-positivism, no one would disagree, everything would be obvious through reason.
None I just know my shit philistine. Anyhow this was fun. Enjoy the bandwagon but tbh it pretty much went out of fashion a decade ago. You obviously don't understand that which you supposedly support so good luck with it;)
"postmodernism speaks the truth" - you might as well say "this statement is not true". postmodernism can and does say many things from the mildly perplexing to the seductive ends of obscurity, but what it axiomatically cannot do is say that it is saying anything about the world or what is like. so we can either assume that there is an acultural, apolitical reality out there although we may not know it fully or we can simply not bother... with anything... ever.
@calebj1304 well years from now some risen philosopher will created a ideal that will replace persent post-modernism and claim that it is the final truth
@abarrathemaster except the final truth was already established as their is no final truth i.e postmodernism. THEREFORE, the final truth as the pre final truth is postmodernism and you sir, suck.
@calebj1304 but if there was an absence of truth, how would you know? also that simply does not give anyone licence to turn legitimate enquiries into the world into a litany of impenetrable hermeneutic drivel in search of an emotionally satisfying phenomenology. grow up.
@RikiTikiTavi91 how would I know? It's easy to know there's an absence of truth. Also, your sudden change in diction makes me laugh at you, how many times did you have to thesaurus that one. HAH, I LAUGH AT YOU
A Marxist historical materialist as myself agrees with Christian zealots on the profound destructiveness of reason that is produced from postmodernism. Only such bankrupt ideology as postmodernism/cultural relativism can bring such two extremes together in agreement. Long live reason, long live truth. When we can come together on this then we can move forward to discovering great knowledge
A Marxist historical materialist as myself agrees with Christian zealots on the profound destructiveness of reason that is produced from postmodernism. Only such a bankrupt ideology as postmodernism/ cultural relativism can bring such two extremes together in agreement. Long live reason, long live truth, when we can come together on this can we move forward to discover great knowledge
Postmodernism is the absolute denial of any objective truth. It is in essence the death of the west as we knew it. It is a bi-product of sympathy and political correctness. There is no absolute wrong, only different. This is the postmodern mentality. As a Philosophy student, I gotta tell you it is pretty much the consequence of the weed smoking from the 60's.
@AdversusHaereses... "I gotta tell you it is pretty much the consequence of the weed smoking from the 60's.".... Can I philosophically laugh over your comment? Hahehihohu... Nice !!!
Post modernism is after the industrial age, and the now, and future (which we don't have, unless we accept Christ as our saviour). This relates to our materialistic and humanistic philosophies, based on man's own self dillusional pride vs. our predisposed intention for us to be made for God's purpose. We have outgrown God in our foolish pride, and that's why He is coming to judge and put his wrath upon humanity. No alien will save mankind. Aliens are demons. find Jesus B42LATE. All isms satan C?
Post modernism is after the industrial age, and the now, and future (which we don't have, unless we accept Christ as our savious). This relates to our materialistic and humanistic philosophies, based on man's own self dillusional pride vs. our predisposed intention for us to be made for God's purpose. We have outgrown God in our foolish pride, and that's why He is coming to judge and put his wrath upon humanity. No alien will save mankind. Aliens are demons. find Jesus B42LATE. All isms satan C?
What the guy says about the tower of Babel is false. Immanuel Kant, the Enlightenment philosopher, thought that we couldn't build a tower to Heaven; we can only build a "dwelling-house". See my video on Kant!
I work at a Christian school and I constantly hear teachers and students bash postmodernism. They provide the most absurd definitions, always simplistic and make it seem as if postmodernism is taking over the world.
I'm going to be simple, authentic, and genuine: Fuck PostModernism. It's an intellectual cancer that makes inarticulate people feel smart, when in reality they've just created a lingo for themselves so they can pretend that they understand shit when they really don't.
@leolasi it fucks up people's thinking - one becomes so openminded that their brain falls out. if you question the context of every situation, figure, event in your life you're rendered helpless and alone in a world that is far too overwhelming. its a pointless thought exercise, that while interesting, serves no real world purpose and alienates one from the way the world actually is. its intellectual masturbation. :)
Being a student of Social Anthropology and having studied postmodernist critiques and their philosophical positions, that have greatly influenced the dicipline, I can safely say that it is a load of shit. really it's as influential and pervasive as an intellectual black death. Enlightenment and Positivism all the fucking way. and yes i am a pathetic nerd.
@RikiTikiTavi91 I'm sorry but postmodernism speaks the truth, everything as of now is too ohyperreal for regularity and an actual understanding therefore postmodernism wins.
Well, I agree for the most part. I just see it as potentially useful to create social awareness and change. We have the myth of progress running in our minds as we rape the Earth of resources. The critique can lead to new awareness. It's a tool, not a new narrative, so it takes time to learn how it should be applied and not to vindicate the absurd like the bible being literal.
@Brockhad well I can't really agree with that. I can't think of anything a relativist critique could contribute that a critical rationalist critique couldn't do in half the words.
@Brockhad well any postmodern/ relativist critique is usually deconstruction ie how is this patriarcal, bourgieu or exploitative - things we should be aware of but not things that we should get too caught up with to get things done. critical rationalist critique tries to look at why something is illogical, false or simply absurd, categories which the other things will genarally fall into but also keeping in mind that truth and reality are just one way but we're not too sure about what that is.
Seems that the postmodern approach would be good to question social institutions while the scientific helps with natural laws. There is nothing in natural law that says that since women are weaker and even generally more emotional then men that society should grant them positions of power. Postmodernism could be a name for that shifting from the patriarchial, bourgieu and exploitative. It might best be considered a part of Conflict Theory in Sociology.
@RikiTikiTavi91 Positivism has destroyed the legal system of the United States to the point where they can go to war.
The laws of natural justice need renewed respect. Positivism and that Chicago, Stanford nonsense has brought us into this divided, starving, law and economics world.
@derdriui well not being an american, I really can't comment. However to attribute a socio-economic formation entirely to a matter of epistemology seems a little naive to me. also what is "natural justice" exactly and how is it a law? I don't know much about that "Chicago, Stanford nonsense" however again to attribute real world problems to idealogical concerns seems a bit more like theology than proper thought.
@RikiTikiTavi91 well taking into consideration that science is dependant on technology and machines. post modernist thinkers show valid conern as knowledge has becoming something else completely.
@RikiTikiTavi91 I believe some things that are supposed to be manifestations of what some people call postmodernism can be found in reality. Maybe the term "postmodernism" was just created to suit some terminological needs of this time, but in a distant future I dont see people using it. What happens today is just the latest consequence of what has been always happening, with little change to human life.
describing anything as "a load of shit" is not a persuasive critique. Maybe you are old- fashioned, you do not need to be nasty about it. Your views are pervasive and inextricable to western culture. Relax.
A postmodern society: [Post(After)+modern] A dystopian society, resulting from the modern industrial and cultural movements, where people are isolated from nature in giant structures and have their normal social ways alterated.
It's an industrialized, highly institutionalized and individualized society where people are overworked by legal entities, have their social norms destabilized by various propagandas and their ethnic and family structures replaced by legal obligations.
Why the fuck are all of these postmodern definition videos put on by christian channels? I get it, idiotic religious faith is supported by postmodern ideas. Go fuck yourselves.
I was quite interested by this, until I realised it was concocted by people who believe the world was created by a big, beardy space monkey. And to translate 'metanarrative' as 'big story' is reductive and simplistic to the point of drooling banality.
@Widmerpool99 You realize that's an ad hominem fallacy? Attempting to invalidate an argument through the arguer. It's also frequently committed by postmodernists.
@Widmerpool99 Haha, I was thinking that too. I saw Calvin College come up in the sub-titles and thought, "oh boy, here we go..."
I love the Christian narrative that all atheists are post-modernists. Even saying that, their fear of postmodernism really, I don't think anyway, addresses it in any meaningful sense. Granted, I don't know that much about it, but I'm sure the French postmodernists had reason for their skepticism about truth claims (I believe they heavily analyzed language about it)
@AtheistAltar I would guess that all or most postmodernists are atheists (or at least sceptics/agnostics) but the idea that all atheists are postmodernists is nonsense. Many in the Enlightenment rationalist and Darwinist camp, not to mention Objectivists (Ayn Rand fanboys) would be dead set against the relativism that's implicit in postmodernism.
If you can't even define the nature of a movement, then do you really have a movement at all?
My theory is that postmodernism is led by a group of people who are rebellious by nature and are trying to tear down the status quo of science. Coherence or utility is not important to them. They are only interested in rebelling against the status quo for the sake of rebelling.
@educheny rebellion runs parallel to whatever system it rebels against, postmodernism has always been perpendicular to both, and infinitely perpendicular to itself
its one of the few systems that is both blind and critical of itself... in today's world its otherwise impossible to have a system of thought without dissecting it entirely, and as of 2010 its one of the few alternatives to absolute nihilism/existentialism
@educheny Good definition, I specifically don't like the ones that throw around the "scientism" buzz word. Science works because it has utility, regardless of the supposed problem of induction.
Post modernism states there are no absolute truths, and that it is absolutely true that there are no absolute truths. Wait what? I smell a contradiction.
the emerging church must be opposed and stopped. the trickery and evil deeply rooted in the emerging church. I am well educated with it and got myself out of that church be warned. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood but with the power and principalities of the dark one Satan. as a warrior of Christ i highly appose the emerging church if you are indeed a member of the emerging church get out!
Post-modernism, by nature a slipery term, as existentialism was...in some ways it is is an "anti-philosophy" works best in opposition, least best when the controlling philosophy (which it can never really be because it is fractionalized/ factionalized, again, by its very nature). It is not new, its roots go back to nihilism. Albet Camus once said "a theory is only incorrect to the degree that it is incomplete." Post Modernism says all theories are incomplete, and will always be.
the guys who made this film are just lost idiots. they pretend they understood the modern philosphers, than the big stories are over, just to come down with the even bigger story of pre modern time, the old man in the sky. if they would have understood anything, they would known, postmodernism explain why there is no security, that we have to live with this uncertitude. but these cowards are not mature enough to cope with this, try to creep back in the womb of mother chruch.
If post-modernism is really the rejection of absolute truth-claims then it isn't surprising its followers have trouble defining it in objective terms. Just as every every definition and quallification of art is equally valid by post-modern standards, so is every interpretation of the meaning of post-modernism itself. Those who don't subscribe to it still see it as needing an objective definition though, so it is they who define it according to what they see: absurdity for absurdity's sake.
eggory 2 days ago
Things that are sensed are interpreted in our brains, as to be understood in context of our own experience, which is different for every human.
Merc240x 2 days ago
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Merc240x 4 days ago
Relatively speaking you are correct. Einstein.
Merc240x 4 days ago
Post Modernism is complete BULLSHIT. And that is an objective truth not a subjective truth.
Lockjaw95 6 days ago
@Lockjaw95 There are no objective truths. Though I do not doubt your sincerity.
Merc240x 4 days ago
@Merc240x Oh really now? If the statement "there are no objective truths" is true then guess what? It's an objective truth! You cannot escape objectivity.
Lockjaw95 4 days ago
@Lockjaw95 Where's your evidence? Objective truth must be supported by objective facts.
datasoluble 2 days ago
@datasoluble Ever heard of Science? And don't give me that bullshit that science is all just subjective opinion, if that were true I guess you wouldn't mind jumping off a tall building if gravity is truly just opinion?
Lockjaw95 1 day ago
I despise post modernism, I worship classical greek and roman thought... I find it vaguely depressing that the only people discussing this stuff seem to be christians, I feel rationalists and conservative humanists like myself will be forced to join forces with them to defeat post modern hippy communists and islamists before the day is done
hieraxhideo 3 weeks ago
sounds to me like Nietzsche invented post modernism.
selvmordspilot 3 weeks ago
@selvmordspilot more like Joyce
hieraxhideo 3 weeks ago
@hieraxhideo : Dont know if Joyce read Nietzsche. But he were born later. Just sayin'
selvmordspilot 3 weeks ago
@selvmordspilot true but all the post modernists I know seem to have read joyce not nietzsche, I mean apart from nietzsche saying a few lines about truth being somewhat relative and limits to the 'knowable' he was pretty straightforward and would certainly have no time for the kind limp wristed molly-coddling these 'every idea is equally valid' types go in for. Joyce with his pandering to the anti hero seems to be an icon to these fembots
hieraxhideo 3 weeks ago
DA Carson is correct in his assessment that postmodernism ultimately wants to make it impossible to listen to anything God has to say. Check out our video on this subject.
hudsonvilleprc 1 month ago
PM to me is the collision of cultures as a result of modern society coming together and put back together with distinctive parts of each culture visible. Modern being a industrial response and post modern an adaption from the past. Postmodern being a complete hybrid of any distinctive cultural form from the past. A way to use great art from the past combined with modern technology. But that comes from my head. I hear the experts talk about something different. I think PM was ruined by morons.
oybeutu 1 month ago
Exploration Films: Where we pretend like we're interested in knowledge while really just pushing our Christian prejudice.
codemonkeybrains 1 month ago
i have to write an essay on this and compare two artists ffs. -.-
gayrichy1993 1 month ago
Why are we so addicted to the idea of life having an objective meaning? Your life means what you make it mean, through your relationships and experiences. Life is FULL of experiential meaning, but it has not one all-encompassing meaning. What could that even look like? Would you want your life to be summed up by one statement or thought? A slogan or a punchline? Life can be lovely without the need for sentimental justification. The experiences are what matters, as they happen...in real time.
johnnywalker1974 1 month ago 4
@johnnywalker1974 I agree completely. That's quite a postmodern statement though. :)
DrTorture28 1 week ago
@DrTorture28 It was meant to be. Thanks. Though not an " Ist " or " Ism ", I think plenty of post-modern concepts are valid. People keep their thought too static; in an ever-changing world, this is ineffective. I am not afraid of being called a Commie or a Hippie, or what ever else is thrown at me. People who speak that way seem laughable to me. Fuck Bronze-Age though.
johnnywalker1974 1 week ago
This is horribly slanted. Not at all an accurate or object take on PM. Humans are not losing their religion because of PM, they are losing it because we are evolving away from needing fairy tales.
johnnywalker1974 1 month ago
@johnnywalker1974 *objective.
johnnywalker1974 1 month ago
So postmodernism, as I understand it, is that everything needs to be questioned, and nothing is totally true, including the definition of postmodernism?
ABCDEH11 1 month ago
why call it postmodernism? sounds more appropriate to name it retardism.
RoMMeL1337ak47 1 month ago
More than one quadrillion dollar total notional value of derivatives outstanding with no real assets to back it up, and you go "what the hell??" and people just shrug their shoulders....that's my definition of post-modernism.
tairanotomomori 1 month ago
ok, so postmodernism is whatever bullshit, crazy-ass, relative ideas that seems good to you and you believing in these ideas, makes them absolute....even though they goes against current common-place ideas and objective science---UNTIL your bullshit crazy ideas becomes the NEW common-place or objective science?
so basically, postmodernism is being stubborn.
that seems easy enough, so what is post-post modernism---what more craziness and/or more stubbornness?
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 months ago in playlist Existentialism to Post-modernism
Science does not claim the ability to know everything, or the truth. Science deals only with facts.
Most simply, Postmodernism is supposed to represent the end of personal-social-political innocence, replaced by skepticism, cynicism and irony. It comes from philosophers and other social scientists and has had little affect on anything outside of the art establishment. Except for the arts, it's pretty much a non-issue.
TheForwardGaze 2 months ago
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Scarletcru3 2 months ago
Post-modernism = too much THC in your brain.
AdversusHaereses 2 months ago
This video contradicts itself by calling it postmodern.
MrJdom24 2 months ago
Postmodernism= Existentialism - logic
ShadowStormDX 2 months ago
Postmodernism is a pile of shit that selectively takes the precepts of nihilism and attempts to use them to rationalize the schools of thought marginalized by society, what it creates is a jumbled pile of shit, that does not make sense no matter which viewpoint you look at it from, it is not logical, it does not accomplish a goal and it doesn't give us a goal. It is literally whatever the fuck you want it to be, that last sentence is said with the utmost of disgust.
ShadowStormDX 2 months ago
@ShadowStormDX
what is the goal then mate? Reality collapsed a few years ago FYI. You can cling to your own idea of the goal of man, but really your just deluding your self. why existence at all?? . Logic is only one way of getting things done. it needs its counterpart, Art or the right brain approach. THis is what postmodernisim suggests to me. The pond is deeper than the enlightenment era thought, thats why Po-mo makes no sence, in the traditional way of making sense that is...
paddyrock666 2 months ago
@paddyrock666
Your goal is whatever you want it to be, however that doesn't make it logical. There is a difference between what is and what we want. Everyone has opinions and views but that doesn't make them true. You are right in that logic is only a tool for meeting a goal. However, it is also the only way to perceive the world. If you attempt to perceive with emotion then you are not perceiving but fabricating.
ShadowStormDX 2 months ago
@paddyrock666 Our emotions and illogic give us goals and our logic achieves them. But to claim that your goals are logical or true is to delude yourself and others and it is a very stupid delusion. We do not get that shiny toy in the store simply because we want it. You do choose your own goals but if discussed in the context of what is, those goals are illogical, wrong and senseless. There is no reason for existence. You can invent one, but you will be deluding yourself.
ShadowStormDX 2 months ago
@paddyrock666
The "non-traditional" way of thinking you're talking about is simply looking at everything from a subjective viewpoint and then acting as if it was objective and absolute, in other words self-delusion. It is "true" because you've fabricated your own imaginary world. Viewed from an objective point the "traditional" way of thinking, it is false. There are no truths we can perceive absolutely but we can come pretty close. Everything is absolute because there is only one way they are.
ShadowStormDX 2 months ago
This is comment is the manifestation of post modernism.
x69Crunchyx 2 months ago
what the fuck, what the hell is postmodernism in a simple sentence. if you ask me what a banana look like i would say its yellow and a curved moon shape. i dont go on and say Bananas, like most fruit, are made up of about 25 percent dry, pulpy matter and 75 percent water. i just get to the point. so can someone explain to me what is postmodernism in a simple sentence and with words that everyone can understand to.
TheAce24000 3 months ago
@TheAce24000, Postmodernism is a politically correct philosophy that believes that purpose and meaning are all subjective, and it rejects objective truth, scientific truth, and common sense.
Nashhinton 2 months ago
@TheAce24000 Postmodernism in simple terms is the death of the critic. It used to be that the critic defines what is good taste. Today everybody is a critic. Guys like Derrida put all that in a greater perspective. For example, movies have no meaning. They get meaning through the viewer/interpreter. That's really just a finer way of saying that everybody is a critic. In a nutshell, postmodernism is the rejection of Plato's idea that everything has an essence.
grisflyt 2 months ago
@TheAce24000 There are no absolutes. What ever you believe you can believe it to be true for you. Anyone can believe anything to be true. Ex. That banana is yellow. No, it's red because I believe it is. The whole idea is just ridiculous.
MrJdom24 2 months ago
@MrJdom24
There most likely are absolutes but it is very unlikely that we could know them absolutely. However there is probability and the banana is orders of magnitude more likely to be yellow than red because of previous empirical evidence. So yes it is a ridiculous concept. The statement there is no absolutes is an absolute, it is implying that the statement itself is the only absolute, therefore it is self-contradictory.
ShadowStormDX 2 months ago
@ShadowStormDX I'm a Christian so I definitely believe there are absolutes. I'm trying to get people who believe in PM to think about what they believe in. The whole idea is just ridiculous to me. The point that nothing is absolute and nothing has meaning is just impossible to grasp.
MrJdom24 2 months ago
@MrJdom24 It is not impossible to grasp, it would entail only a simple objective examination of empirical evidence from our lives. However the problem is that it goes against human nature to observe something we believe in objectively. Humans are ruled by delusions, humans live because of their self-delusions. However we cannot make something true by simply wanting it to be true, we can only delude ourselves into believing it to be true.
ShadowStormDX 2 months ago
@MrJdom24 - Impossible to grasp - that's the whole premise of pm. For you god is an absolute, for me the concept is just a cultural metanarrative (as the postmods would say). We all attribute and invest our own meanings in phenomena - so our knowledge is relative, not absolute - even if we are so bold to feel convinced enough to say that we have attained a 'truth'.
cahillgreg 1 week ago
@cahillgreg PM's say there are no meta-narratives. Which is an absolute fact to them. Anything a PM says breaks down their whole worldview because there is no absolute truth. Well, is that absolutely true?
MrJdom24 1 week ago
@ShadowStormDX
@ShadowStormDX
"The statement there is no absolutes is an absolute, it is implying that the statement itself is the only absolute, therefore it is self-contradictory."
so what's the name of that fallacy?
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 months ago in playlist Existentialism to Post-modernism
@FREEAMERICANOW69
IDK Self-contradiction? Self-defeating argument?
Though the statement is self-contradictory, the statement "It is very unlikely that there are absolutes" is quite sound.
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universalsailor 3 months ago
deleuze and guattari are the biggest parody in the literary theory canon
presidentscrew 3 months ago
The dude at the end was hilarious.
Pihasanddunes1 3 months ago
postmodernism is being wierd for the sake of wierd.
jakewfpf 3 months ago
This video is a joke and says almost nothing about postmodernism
Brettsky8 3 months ago
@Brettsky8 Postmodernism is its own joke.
hznfrst 2 months ago
YA KNOW WHAT? NEVER MIND...FUCK IT.
screwface1011 3 months ago
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST IS POSTMODERNISM.
screwface1011 3 months ago
The Tower of Babel was never made to replace God. For goodness sake it was made to show off! Read the story!
desasterz 3 months ago
Deleuzian = delusion?
SystemJammer 3 months ago
Fascinating video and discussion!
alohaoliwa 3 months ago
Thumbs up to the Billy Corgan/ Smashing Pumpkins reference!
thelink17 3 months ago 10
confused as fuck.
aussie4life05 3 months ago
My question to you postmodernists is this, if there is no truth, how do you know that that statement ('there is no truth and no way of knowing') is true? The truth of the matter is that there is Absolute Truth, it is found in the Word of God, the Bible, and in God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. There is Absolute truth, and it is found in the Lord Jesus Christ!
Menechem 3 months ago
Postmodernism: There is no truth and no way of knowing.....but the 100% truth is God exists (usually the Christian one) and we are losing sight of that. Seems a bit contradictory. The truth is that after centuries of the church having a monopoly on "truth",sometimes by force,people began to realize that what they had been told was rubbish,false on many levels and a construct of control. Once this power was lost then all of the sudden everything and nothing became true to try to keep relevance.
SkepticalAaron 3 months ago
I cant take this anymore..i look up postmodernism...........read "cloud nine" which supposedly had characteristics in it and I still cant find a question for my IB research investigation paper............this makes no sense!!!!!!!!!!!!
inspirehopedream2012 4 months ago
And it is evident with the vast amount of access we now have to information which questions the grand narratives which the enlightment and empricism has put in place... instead of discord amongst belief systems we now have discord within belief systems - Orthodox Jews vs Zionist Jews, the Multistranded faith of christianity with God knows how many denominations... and it goes on and on through out politics and etc... that is what postmodernism also is...
rochroch2012 4 months ago
or any type of question which digs deeper then wall street, economics and those institutions which are seen at face value...
I think that for folks to say that postmodernism is bullshit, are slightly un aware of how exactly postmodern thought came about Freidrick Nietzsech in 1888 expressed postmodern thought. And there have been others Marx,Foucault, Lyotard, Francois and many more which have added there own take on the matter. But the main point is that we are living in a post modern society
rochroch2012 4 months ago
its really not that complicated postmodernism in its multiplicity and vast interpretations by people like you and I and sociological theorists is just nihilism - nihilism being the notion that reason and truth is now questionable. And it does make sense seen as alot of the 18th century Enlightenment impiricism has since been found flawed - there is no one answer to every social problem or any problem for that matter and science and maths CAN NOT solve anything in relation to the cosmos
rochroch2012 4 months ago
being a 1st year art student... fuck this shit i'm going into business (srs)
JessikahAznBabyy 6 months ago
Postmodernism = illogical Pseudoscience bullshit.
Even its name "Postmodern" is nonsensical. Modern means present time. Post means after. So.....After now?
I see this deluded way of thinking often used as a sad excuse to accept ludicrous ideas like literary interpretations of Genesis. Its just a attempt to discredit every thing Science and logic based that we have come to know through infinite suffering and thousands of years. This kind of thought process will send us back to the dark ages.
1EpicLulz 6 months ago
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inverse0peripeteia 6 months ago
The all-out effort to drag us from a science oriented, interplanetary society, (we were) back down to a.. 'new' DARK AGE..!!!!
The cults have always sought to shackle the populace down to the dogmatic ignorance of a very dark era indeed. It has happened over & over - throughout history. America's began with the murder of JFK. Soon followed by RFK & MLK. The very same scumbags that engineered those murders.. have spread around the planet. Roman empire.. Babylon.. The wandering...
Century25 6 months ago
the post-modern view on science is not trying to destroy science, it is just pointing out the nature of finding 'truths.' It's just a different way of looking at science.
Basically, we can make lots of good theories and predictions, but we can never really get to the core of truth. One point made is that when we make observations or measurements we leave out an infinite amount of information that is involved.
It can seem kind of nit-picky and trivial at first, but it makes sense.
owsleythebear 7 months ago
"isn't post what usually comes after?". wow, what a dumb bitch.
simpsonlordguy 7 months ago
domination > conversation
uprooting 7 months ago
I'll take a crack at the definition. Postmodern thought; is a thought process designed not to have a point but rather to undermined established truth.
DaneStolthed 7 months ago
Postmodernist understanding of reality is so far fetched and unorthodox to even the most radical of belief systems nobody can fully explain it!
They have an unbelievable inability to convoy a linear thought and that is why I can't except anything they say.
Postmodern thought is such an abject failure that when it is fully embraced it ultimately breads apathy and a rejection of knowledge!
DaneStolthed 7 months ago
post modernism is the irrational dis belief of any thing that has to this point been proven by science, it has no facts and no fiction and in theory disregards any thing that has ever been said, but not through the use of logic but ignorance, as in post modernism there is no logic, but if there is no logic behind it, does that not condemn its self to being hypocritical bullshit. I would compare it to a man trying to kill everyone and then himself, irrational and unable to be spoken to
ryanthomasmccallum 7 months ago
The problem is simpel: Postmodernism says that there is no absolute truth, there's only interpretation (ergo this is also an interpretation). What it does is destroy all claims made. It leaves a wasteland behind and concedes nothing itself except doubt...
I see it as the ultimate truth of our incompetence. That's the message, lets accept and choose a goal anyway, knowing it might be wrong but hoping it is right.
KingGeorgeTheSecond 7 months ago
Postmodernism in itself is a metanarrative. It is a "big story" that says: "there is no big story". It's a big story that doesn't admit to be a big story.
Mani3e 7 months ago
Postmodernizm-nihilistyczny relatywizm bojący się pożytecznych poznawczo rozstrzygnięć-skazany na nieuniknioną porażkę.
zibimark 8 months ago
Postmodernism -nihilistic relativism of those who fear the decisions of useful cognitive-doomed to inevitable failure.
zibimark 8 months ago
The only reason postmodernism is infallible is because Logic is an absoloute truth, and postmodernism doesn't believe in those, so any arguement you make against it is invalid.
You can't prove it is stupid, because "Postmodernism is dumb" is a truth, and such things apparently don't exist, so it is only by our gut feelings that we know that it is stupid, and trusting our gut feelings would be seen as irrational.
themightyleek 8 months ago
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verwoestijning 5 months ago
Postmodernism is a pile of contrived shit which cloaks its vacuity with seemingly erudite language and concepts, e.g. metanarratives, attach meta- to any normal word. Put -ian at the end of any name, e.g. Deleuzian, Lacanian, Irigarayian, Foucaltian. Postmodernism is contributing nothing to thought, while trying to destroy the credibility of science. Its the art of knitting a tawdry fabric of words around an intangible concept. 'To exist is to presuppose a previous Deleuzian metaexistence....'
EclecticSceptic 8 months ago 19
@EclecticSceptic Ahhh, but you forget that Deleuzian metaexistence contravenes the established metaprinciples of Lacanian thought AND metathought. It is only through the deconstruction of these metanarrative strands of post-hegelian structuralism that we come to understand the true relativism behind our existence and these Deleuzian principles... (in other words, it never hurts to chuck in a few -isms either!)
vinzcassels 7 months ago
@EclecticSceptic Ok first of all, in using words like "vacuity" and "erudite" you are participating in exactly what you are critiquing. Second of all, you aren't saying a single thing about the substance behind the terminology that you just threw out. So your problem is that postmodernism has terminology and jargon? Every philosophy and science does. What about the substance behind Lacanian psychology? What do you find wrong with it? What is wrong with the concept of a metanarrative?
okkoto 7 months ago
No. Vacuity and erudite are real words used in their proper contexts. Do you want me to pretend they don't exist? Maybe they metaexist. The concept of a metanarrative is pure bullshit. It means nothing. That is the problem. There is nothing to analyse in Postmodernism. It's pseudophilosophy. And you don't have to be Wittgenstein to see that one big problem of philosophy is the use of complex jargon.
EclecticSceptic 7 months ago
@okkoto Jargon is meant to be an expedient. It can't be an expedient if there's nothing to say in the first place. What's wrong with Lacan? Freud? They aren't scientists. Psychology is a science. Science is the only method known to humans which can obtain and verify knowledge reliably. As in, give me a nice Postmodernist argument there. Try to deliver it without using any made up words full of prefixes and terms stolen from real philosophy. What would a postmodern particle accelerator look like?
EclecticSceptic 7 months ago
@EclecticSceptic metanarratives are modernism. Postmodernism challenges the metanaratives. The death of the critic is postmodernism. Nowadays everybody is a critic, not least thanks to the postmodern Internet. Then we have the destructive form of postmodernism, identified as junk postmodernism by Lyotard. Intelligent Design and the Discovery Institute are junk postmodernism and a threat to science.
grisflyt 2 months ago
When the one guy was about to quote the french dude's definition of Postmodernism, I was like, "uh oh, here come some serious gibberish..." and then he busts out, "incredulity to meta-narratives." Ha ha!
Let me define Postmodernism; "Making up fancy-pants words for simple and un-profound ideas to make oneself sound smarter than everybody else."
iandmiller 8 months ago 4
But is it easy to know there is an absence of truth about an absence of truth? How can you trust your own senses? The only reason one does trust his own senses is because it is seen as foolish not to.
Postmodernism is basically a complete lack of faith in anything, including logic, the world, and itself. It's basic core belief is that there is no truth, so 1=0 and Winston Churchill might aswell be a carrot, as no truth is more valid than the next.
themightyleek 8 months ago
@themightyleek In other words, useless bullshit non-philosophy.
EclecticSceptic 8 months ago
very helpful...quick and too the point. youtube is the future of revision...lmao
tomc192 8 months ago
The paradigm isn't whether a statement, or a meta-narrative, is true for everyone, but how the "truth" is constructed and maintained. Discourse, how we speak, creates truth. This actually makes the world a flavorful place. If everything were as one dimensional as pure-positivism, no one would disagree, everything would be obvious through reason.
beeeefcurtains 8 months ago
None I just know my shit philistine. Anyhow this was fun. Enjoy the bandwagon but tbh it pretty much went out of fashion a decade ago. You obviously don't understand that which you supposedly support so good luck with it;)
RikiTikiTavi91 8 months ago
"postmodernism speaks the truth" - you might as well say "this statement is not true". postmodernism can and does say many things from the mildly perplexing to the seductive ends of obscurity, but what it axiomatically cannot do is say that it is saying anything about the world or what is like. so we can either assume that there is an acultural, apolitical reality out there although we may not know it fully or we can simply not bother... with anything... ever.
RikiTikiTavi91 9 months ago
it seems that reducing truth claims to "story" or "narrative" is symptomatic of post modernism itself.
but then i am 52, and when i was a music student doing some phil papers back in 1978 my prof ridiculed the notion of "true for you true for me".
i never forgot that and have ALWAYS believed tha such a notion is indeed absurd.
BTW the idea that truth claims are out to control people fails to separate abuse from use, thus is lazy thinking
Strefanasha 9 months ago
I'm a postmodern.
rocco777 9 months ago
Postmodernism is the final truth!
calebj1304 9 months ago
@calebj1304 well years from now some risen philosopher will created a ideal that will replace persent post-modernism and claim that it is the final truth
abarrathemaster 9 months ago
@abarrathemaster except the final truth was already established as their is no final truth i.e postmodernism. THEREFORE, the final truth as the pre final truth is postmodernism and you sir, suck.
calebj1304 9 months ago
@calebj1304 well then you cannot possibly be a postmodernist as you believe it's metanarrative.
RikiTikiTavi91 9 months ago
@RikiTikiTavi91 that's not what i said at all, fool.. claiming an absence of truth doesn't establish the claim as a metanarrative, it's indefinite.
calebj1304 9 months ago
@calebj1304 but if there was an absence of truth, how would you know? also that simply does not give anyone licence to turn legitimate enquiries into the world into a litany of impenetrable hermeneutic drivel in search of an emotionally satisfying phenomenology. grow up.
RikiTikiTavi91 9 months ago
@RikiTikiTavi91 how would I know? It's easy to know there's an absence of truth. Also, your sudden change in diction makes me laugh at you, how many times did you have to thesaurus that one. HAH, I LAUGH AT YOU
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A Marxist historical materialist as myself agrees with Christian zealots on the profound destructiveness of reason that is produced from postmodernism. Only such bankrupt ideology as postmodernism/cultural relativism can bring such two extremes together in agreement. Long live reason, long live truth. When we can come together on this then we can move forward to discovering great knowledge
queerveganliberal 10 months ago
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A Marxist historical materialist as myself agrees with Christian zealots on the profound destructiveness of reason that is produced from postmodernism. Only such a bankrupt ideology as postmodernism/ cultural relativism can bring such two extremes together in agreement. Long live reason, long live truth, when we can come together on this can we move forward to discover great knowledge
queerveganliberal 10 months ago
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queerveganliberal 10 months ago
Postmodernism is the absolute denial of any objective truth. It is in essence the death of the west as we knew it. It is a bi-product of sympathy and political correctness. There is no absolute wrong, only different. This is the postmodern mentality. As a Philosophy student, I gotta tell you it is pretty much the consequence of the weed smoking from the 60's.
AdversusHaereses 10 months ago
@AdversusHaereses... "I gotta tell you it is pretty much the consequence of the weed smoking from the 60's.".... Can I philosophically laugh over your comment? Hahehihohu... Nice !!!
siwawervintar 10 months ago
Post modernism is after the industrial age, and the now, and future (which we don't have, unless we accept Christ as our saviour). This relates to our materialistic and humanistic philosophies, based on man's own self dillusional pride vs. our predisposed intention for us to be made for God's purpose. We have outgrown God in our foolish pride, and that's why He is coming to judge and put his wrath upon humanity. No alien will save mankind. Aliens are demons. find Jesus B42LATE. All isms satan C?
godwithme777 10 months ago
@godwithme777 WOW!!! =O your mind is loooooooooong gone mate!
ratonton73737 9 months ago
Post modernism is after the industrial age, and the now, and future (which we don't have, unless we accept Christ as our savious). This relates to our materialistic and humanistic philosophies, based on man's own self dillusional pride vs. our predisposed intention for us to be made for God's purpose. We have outgrown God in our foolish pride, and that's why He is coming to judge and put his wrath upon humanity. No alien will save mankind. Aliens are demons. find Jesus B42LATE. All isms satan C?
godwithme777 10 months ago
Post modernism is a load of crap. Reality exists independent of the language that describes it.
wouter1411 10 months ago
people sure are confused are they not?
these people for all thier knowlege sure are clueless.
dirtzoo 10 months ago
my gosh this is stupid!!!
NrrN00 11 months ago
What the guy says about the tower of Babel is false. Immanuel Kant, the Enlightenment philosopher, thought that we couldn't build a tower to Heaven; we can only build a "dwelling-house". See my video on Kant!
samreznek 11 months ago
Post Modernism is reason? This is laughable.
jshjamaarify 11 months ago
I work at a Christian school and I constantly hear teachers and students bash postmodernism. They provide the most absurd definitions, always simplistic and make it seem as if postmodernism is taking over the world.
I'm just looking for some balance.
Diognetus 11 months ago
as bad as solipsism. Post-Modernism is a big story.
gavinplaysbass 11 months ago
the three pillars of ZEN are faith and doubt and courage. The courage to have faith or to doubt. Hey, what can you prove? go from there.
rgaleny 1 year ago
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what kinds of postmorden things are in the The kite Runner by Khaled hosseini
zmahamah9 1 year ago
what kinds of postmorden things are in the The kite Runner by Khaled hosseini
zmahamah9 1 year ago
Mmmm. . this video will assist me to do a rather difficult essay. .
yastunt 1 year ago
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ANHNanimator 1 year ago
I'm going to be simple, authentic, and genuine: Fuck PostModernism. It's an intellectual cancer that makes inarticulate people feel smart, when in reality they've just created a lingo for themselves so they can pretend that they understand shit when they really don't.
brothamouzoune 1 year ago
@brothamouzoune you sound like a postmodernist... lmao "intellectual cancer" (wtf does that mean?) Nice lingo you've created for yourself.
leolasi 1 year ago
@leolasi it fucks up people's thinking - one becomes so openminded that their brain falls out. if you question the context of every situation, figure, event in your life you're rendered helpless and alone in a world that is far too overwhelming. its a pointless thought exercise, that while interesting, serves no real world purpose and alienates one from the way the world actually is. its intellectual masturbation. :)
brothamouzoune 1 year ago
@brothamouzoune LOL! Seems like you have trouble coping with uncertainty and need everything wrapped in nicely packaged values.
leolasi 1 year ago
@leolasi lol, this argument is just going in circles. g'day!
brothamouzoune 1 year ago
@brothamouzoune huh? what argument?
leolasi 1 year ago
@brothamouzoune Well put.
EclecticSceptic 7 months ago
Being a student of Social Anthropology and having studied postmodernist critiques and their philosophical positions, that have greatly influenced the dicipline, I can safely say that it is a load of shit. really it's as influential and pervasive as an intellectual black death. Enlightenment and Positivism all the fucking way. and yes i am a pathetic nerd.
RikiTikiTavi91 1 year ago 21
@RikiTikiTavi91 I'm sorry but postmodernism speaks the truth, everything as of now is too ohyperreal for regularity and an actual understanding therefore postmodernism wins.
calebj1304 9 months ago
@RikiTikiTavi91 Blerghh... positivism.
ZerstorenAH 8 months ago
@RikiTikiTavi91
Well, I agree for the most part. I just see it as potentially useful to create social awareness and change. We have the myth of progress running in our minds as we rape the Earth of resources. The critique can lead to new awareness. It's a tool, not a new narrative, so it takes time to learn how it should be applied and not to vindicate the absurd like the bible being literal.
Brockhad 6 months ago
@Brockhad well I can't really agree with that. I can't think of anything a relativist critique could contribute that a critical rationalist critique couldn't do in half the words.
RikiTikiTavi91 6 months ago
@RikiTikiTavi91
Can you clarify the methods of the two so I can tell them apart?...Just want to make sure we're on the same page.
Brockhad 6 months ago
@Brockhad well any postmodern/ relativist critique is usually deconstruction ie how is this patriarcal, bourgieu or exploitative - things we should be aware of but not things that we should get too caught up with to get things done. critical rationalist critique tries to look at why something is illogical, false or simply absurd, categories which the other things will genarally fall into but also keeping in mind that truth and reality are just one way but we're not too sure about what that is.
RikiTikiTavi91 6 months ago
@RikiTikiTavi91
Seems that the postmodern approach would be good to question social institutions while the scientific helps with natural laws. There is nothing in natural law that says that since women are weaker and even generally more emotional then men that society should grant them positions of power. Postmodernism could be a name for that shifting from the patriarchial, bourgieu and exploitative. It might best be considered a part of Conflict Theory in Sociology.
Brockhad 6 months ago
@RikiTikiTavi91 Positivism has destroyed the legal system of the United States to the point where they can go to war.
The laws of natural justice need renewed respect. Positivism and that Chicago, Stanford nonsense has brought us into this divided, starving, law and economics world.
derdriui 6 months ago
@derdriui well not being an american, I really can't comment. However to attribute a socio-economic formation entirely to a matter of epistemology seems a little naive to me. also what is "natural justice" exactly and how is it a law? I don't know much about that "Chicago, Stanford nonsense" however again to attribute real world problems to idealogical concerns seems a bit more like theology than proper thought.
RikiTikiTavi91 6 months ago
@RikiTikiTavi91 well taking into consideration that science is dependant on technology and machines. post modernist thinkers show valid conern as knowledge has becoming something else completely.
Lucifer986 5 months ago
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verwoestijning 5 months ago
@RikiTikiTavi91 I believe some things that are supposed to be manifestations of what some people call postmodernism can be found in reality. Maybe the term "postmodernism" was just created to suit some terminological needs of this time, but in a distant future I dont see people using it. What happens today is just the latest consequence of what has been always happening, with little change to human life.
rafasounds2010 4 months ago
@RikiTikiTavi91
describing anything as "a load of shit" is not a persuasive critique. Maybe you are old- fashioned, you do not need to be nasty about it. Your views are pervasive and inextricable to western culture. Relax.
coreolis7 4 months ago
how does picasso get into Postmodernism? o_O
DJ001mixer 1 year ago
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Kinds reminds me of existentialism
Neverstop302 1 year ago
Post-modernism always reminds me of what Yeats said apropos of the High Modernists (Eliot, Joyce, Pound, Picasso etc.):
"They attempt to kill the whale, push the Renaissance higher yet, out think Leonardo"
and
"I expect a counter-Renaissance"
vanderbilt887 1 year ago 2
Who gives a fuck what a srawberry is... You taste it, if you like it, fine. And if you don't, you forget about it !
cedrikledlp 1 year ago
My Xian definition:
A postmodern society: [Post(After)+modern] A dystopian society, resulting from the modern industrial and cultural movements, where people are isolated from nature in giant structures and have their normal social ways alterated.
It's an industrialized, highly institutionalized and individualized society where people are overworked by legal entities, have their social norms destabilized by various propagandas and their ethnic and family structures replaced by legal obligations.
NITAL20and21 1 year ago
Why the fuck are all of these postmodern definition videos put on by christian channels? I get it, idiotic religious faith is supported by postmodern ideas. Go fuck yourselves.
UKNOWIT88 1 year ago
according to billy corgan postmodernism is existentialism
boxwhead 1 year ago
@boxwhead Well, it was derived from existentialism.
TaterTyphoon 1 year ago
I was quite interested by this, until I realised it was concocted by people who believe the world was created by a big, beardy space monkey. And to translate 'metanarrative' as 'big story' is reductive and simplistic to the point of drooling banality.
Widmerpool99 1 year ago
@Widmerpool99 You realize that's an ad hominem fallacy? Attempting to invalidate an argument through the arguer. It's also frequently committed by postmodernists.
TaterTyphoon 1 year ago
@TaterTyphoon Who said Goddies don't have a sense of humour?
Widmerpool99 1 year ago
@Widmerpool99 Haha, I was thinking that too. I saw Calvin College come up in the sub-titles and thought, "oh boy, here we go..."
I love the Christian narrative that all atheists are post-modernists. Even saying that, their fear of postmodernism really, I don't think anyway, addresses it in any meaningful sense. Granted, I don't know that much about it, but I'm sure the French postmodernists had reason for their skepticism about truth claims (I believe they heavily analyzed language about it)
AtheistAltar 1 year ago
@AtheistAltar I would guess that all or most postmodernists are atheists (or at least sceptics/agnostics) but the idea that all atheists are postmodernists is nonsense. Many in the Enlightenment rationalist and Darwinist camp, not to mention Objectivists (Ayn Rand fanboys) would be dead set against the relativism that's implicit in postmodernism.
Widmerpool99 1 year ago
If you can't even define the nature of a movement, then do you really have a movement at all?
My theory is that postmodernism is led by a group of people who are rebellious by nature and are trying to tear down the status quo of science. Coherence or utility is not important to them. They are only interested in rebelling against the status quo for the sake of rebelling.
educheny 1 year ago
@educheny rebellion runs parallel to whatever system it rebels against, postmodernism has always been perpendicular to both, and infinitely perpendicular to itself
its one of the few systems that is both blind and critical of itself... in today's world its otherwise impossible to have a system of thought without dissecting it entirely, and as of 2010 its one of the few alternatives to absolute nihilism/existentialism
boxwhead 1 year ago
@educheny Good definition, I specifically don't like the ones that throw around the "scientism" buzz word. Science works because it has utility, regardless of the supposed problem of induction.
AtheistAltar 1 year ago
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Putting faith second to reason?! WHAT??!! WHO WOULD DO SUCH A THING?
alexjohnc3 1 year ago
Post modernism states there are no absolute truths, and that it is absolutely true that there are no absolute truths. Wait what? I smell a contradiction.
FatalKnight 1 year ago
@FatalKnight Try thinking it without language.
TheBanyanEmperor 1 year ago
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@TheBanyanEmperor What does that have to do with anything.
FatalKnight 1 year ago
Postmodernism is what gives otherwise useless people jobs at liberal arts colleges.
Sparkythedog2008 1 year ago
@Sparkythedog2008 No no, wait, I've got a better one. Postmodernism is the mess left over after mental masturbation. Zing!
Sparkythedog2008 1 year ago
the emerging church must be opposed and stopped. the trickery and evil deeply rooted in the emerging church. I am well educated with it and got myself out of that church be warned. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood but with the power and principalities of the dark one Satan. as a warrior of Christ i highly appose the emerging church if you are indeed a member of the emerging church get out!
Freedomcall82 1 year ago
Post-modernism, by nature a slipery term, as existentialism was...in some ways it is is an "anti-philosophy" works best in opposition, least best when the controlling philosophy (which it can never really be because it is fractionalized/ factionalized, again, by its very nature). It is not new, its roots go back to nihilism. Albet Camus once said "a theory is only incorrect to the degree that it is incomplete." Post Modernism says all theories are incomplete, and will always be.
gurlsingerfan 1 year ago
Postmodernism is a philosophical doctrine that states that any Self is doubtful and that there is no complete truth. A short brief:
Levinas: There's an Other that cannot be reduced to the worldview of the Self.
Derrida: There's no complete truth because nothingness defines everything (e.g. 'p' is a letter that isn't 'b').
Cixous: Disclosure of identity is self-disclosure.
Spivak: Those who are farthest from power have no voice of their own; they must use the language of their oppressors.
Arodinme6 1 year ago
the guys who made this film are just lost idiots. they pretend they understood the modern philosphers, than the big stories are over, just to come down with the even bigger story of pre modern time, the old man in the sky. if they would have understood anything, they would known, postmodernism explain why there is no security, that we have to live with this uncertitude. but these cowards are not mature enough to cope with this, try to creep back in the womb of mother chruch.
kakakoon 1 year ago