Every time i watch the server room conversation and hear that music in the background, for some reason i always shed a side tear. Maybe cuz it makes so much sense.
I just borrowed this from the library and watched it again after all these years. It's scary how true this is today, as you say. They even mention New World Order.
Cosmo is mentally fractured, but he's still a brilliant cookie. It's good, when we see younger Cosmo arrest in the beginning, we see him kick out a window in his struggle with the cops, a little foreshadowing of how unhinged he will become. But he's right, there is something of an info war going on.
Every time I see some action regarding the various states in the world, I always see the "story" and then look around for the "REAL" story. Far from being the conspriracy route necessarily but oftentimes, the real reasons for things are far more - enlightening - might be imagined. Cosmo is broken as a moral person, but he is right at the end of the day. So whether it's war, markets, employment or other stuff - nothing is exactly as it appears.
A very underrated, under-appreciated movie. Mixture of The Sting and Mission:Impossible, even though it's just Mission: Very Difficult. I know it's mostly the 1960s and 1970s generation's type of suspense adventure. Good music and pretty smart script.
I look at it this way: reality is "what is"....case in point: A person on LSD thinks they can fly...so they jump off the roof. Their perception is that they CAN fly....but the reality is they hit the pavement......HARD.
reality is reality.
perception is NOT reality, it never was, but many people benefit from obscuring the line btwn reality and fiction.
@avth76 but if someone hits the ground after trying to fly and feels the pain and acknowledge that pain as part of their sensory perception then it becomes part of their reality.
Both proof and deception are ways of changing people's perceptions and their realities but proof brings those realities together whereas deception allows for separations where bad shit can happen...
That's how i'd see it... but still... same problems!
@avth76 People's perception of reality actually changes reality Cos: Pepl THINKa bank might b financially shaky Bish: People start 2withdraw their money Cos: Pretty soon it IS financially shaky Bish: You can make banks fail Cos: Bzzt. I've already done that. Maybe u've heard about a few? Think biggr Bish: Stock mkt? Cos: Yes Bish: Currency mkt? Cos: Yes Bish: Commodities mkt? Cos: Yes Bish: Sm countries? Destroy all records of ownership Th whole damn system No more rich No more poor
I think the little discussion from the server room is entirely apt. "Posit, people think a bank might be financially shaky...." There a multi-trillion dollar real world example of that going on right now.
For some reason I still find that argument both compelling and relevant...Cosmo is crazy but unfortunately....he's not wrong.
proadmin1 you just proved avth76 point and undermined the argument that reality is just perception. Why do "people think a bank might be financially shaky" because the money underlying it is based not on real tangible assets but on fictional 1s and 0s. When the worlds highest financial investors stop investing in assets and start speculating on an inflated value of an asset the markets become shaky. They stopped investing in the real measurable asset and started speculating on the 1s and 0s.
It's a meta-argument, in the sense that a bank could very easily be based on a gold or some other tangible standard and even set at a 1:1 lending ratio and be legitimately perfectly sound, in real terms.
But the perception could still be that the bank was financially shaky.
Whether or not, in it's initial condition it actually is or not is irrelevant, it's the perception that it is that is the point.
This is entirely separate from the merits of ratio / leveraged based lending practices.
Furthermore, In a sense I don't disagree, in that objective reality is the final determinant.
But since nobody has perfect knowledge, a condition where people have limited amounts of available information or (conversely) too much data to analyze effectively exists, you end up in this same position, evaluating a circumstance and making a decision based on perception rather than reality.
I wish i had a little box that could solve the hidden subgroup problem
telesniper2 2 months ago
I think this clip is required viewing for new Google employees. LOL
Boogyman4050 7 months ago
The line following this says. "Don't you know the places we could of gone with this? Reply, "Yeah, there's nobody there".
Boogyman4050 7 months ago 4
Great scene near the end. Great movie. These lines were the prophecies of what was to come. They came true!
Boogyman4050 7 months ago
What about my precious Bitcoins?
Porthbot 8 months ago
Its the Great Gatsby!
Dman3981 10 months ago
rocky radio..... it's all about who has the info - Google & Facebook.
rocky4432901 1 year ago
Every time i watch the server room conversation and hear that music in the background, for some reason i always shed a side tear. Maybe cuz it makes so much sense.
PetShopMod 1 year ago
"Everything in life, including money, is not run on reality.." "But the *perception of reality*"
As a salesperson, as an advertising exec, and as a fan of my favorite movie this line has stuck with me SO MUCH.
Tigerman1138 1 year ago
I just borrowed this from the library and watched it again after all these years. It's scary how true this is today, as you say. They even mention New World Order.
hearts000able 1 year ago
@hearts000able Cosmo might not be entirely well balanced .... but he's not wrong.
proadmin1 1 year ago
hey thanks
Paradoxien 2 years ago
what is the name of the song in the background?? i love it
plsss, does anyone know it?
Paradoxien 2 years ago
@Paradoxien, off of the soundtrack "Sneakers" - it's called "cosmo... old friend", song #4.
proadmin1 2 years ago
Cosmo is mentally fractured, but he's still a brilliant cookie. It's good, when we see younger Cosmo arrest in the beginning, we see him kick out a window in his struggle with the cops, a little foreshadowing of how unhinged he will become. But he's right, there is something of an info war going on.
Flowbee79 3 years ago
Every time I see some action regarding the various states in the world, I always see the "story" and then look around for the "REAL" story. Far from being the conspriracy route necessarily but oftentimes, the real reasons for things are far more - enlightening - might be imagined. Cosmo is broken as a moral person, but he is right at the end of the day. So whether it's war, markets, employment or other stuff - nothing is exactly as it appears.
proadmin1 2 years ago
A very underrated, under-appreciated movie. Mixture of The Sting and Mission:Impossible, even though it's just Mission: Very Difficult. I know it's mostly the 1960s and 1970s generation's type of suspense adventure. Good music and pretty smart script.
Flowbee79 3 years ago
nasum made an excellent song out of this quote
KMFCM 3 years ago
What is more important reality or the preception of reality? A more relivant speach has never been spoken.
carbons4 3 years ago 7
I look at it this way: reality is "what is"....case in point: A person on LSD thinks they can fly...so they jump off the roof. Their perception is that they CAN fly....but the reality is they hit the pavement......HARD.
reality is reality.
perception is NOT reality, it never was, but many people benefit from obscuring the line btwn reality and fiction.
avth76 3 years ago
@avth76 but if someone hits the ground after trying to fly and feels the pain and acknowledge that pain as part of their sensory perception then it becomes part of their reality.
Both proof and deception are ways of changing people's perceptions and their realities but proof brings those realities together whereas deception allows for separations where bad shit can happen...
That's how i'd see it... but still... same problems!
itsPenguinBoy 1 year ago
m1s73r4nd3rs0n 1 year ago
I think the little discussion from the server room is entirely apt. "Posit, people think a bank might be financially shaky...." There a multi-trillion dollar real world example of that going on right now.
For some reason I still find that argument both compelling and relevant...Cosmo is crazy but unfortunately....he's not wrong.
proadmin1 3 years ago
proadmin1 you just proved avth76 point and undermined the argument that reality is just perception. Why do "people think a bank might be financially shaky" because the money underlying it is based not on real tangible assets but on fictional 1s and 0s. When the worlds highest financial investors stop investing in assets and start speculating on an inflated value of an asset the markets become shaky. They stopped investing in the real measurable asset and started speculating on the 1s and 0s.
generationalist 3 years ago
It's a meta-argument, in the sense that a bank could very easily be based on a gold or some other tangible standard and even set at a 1:1 lending ratio and be legitimately perfectly sound, in real terms.
But the perception could still be that the bank was financially shaky.
Whether or not, in it's initial condition it actually is or not is irrelevant, it's the perception that it is that is the point.
This is entirely separate from the merits of ratio / leveraged based lending practices.
proadmin1 3 years ago
Furthermore, In a sense I don't disagree, in that objective reality is the final determinant.
But since nobody has perfect knowledge, a condition where people have limited amounts of available information or (conversely) too much data to analyze effectively exists, you end up in this same position, evaluating a circumstance and making a decision based on perception rather than reality.
proadmin1 3 years ago
Favourite movie of all time. Period.
scottschiller 3 years ago 2
Totally agree.
Tigerman1138 3 years ago
Great Movie
PlayTronicz 3 years ago