Very interesting. I would like to bet that 99% of people commenting don't know the first thing about what is being said in the clip. The fact is that the 26% inflation rate under the labour government of 1975 was caused by the conservatives' 1972 budget which is universally recognised as being massive economic mismanagement. Then the oil prices in 1973 poured on troubled water. So to hear Thatcher hounding Wilson about it says a lot.
The problem is, Is doesn`t matter what you think of Harold Wison, The hate of Margret Thatcher and her policies is so strong, He doesn`t even come in to the picture.
@ToaJoe that is not the point i made and im pretty sure u know it. she voted in the 60s to decriminalise being gay. thats a fact!!!! and for a woman of her age at that time i would say that was pretty progressive. yes she voted against lowering the age of consent and yes she voted to stop it being taught in schools. but lets not get carried away. her views were pretty moderate compared to some. even today. the fact is she gave power to individuals... individuals include gay people
@thatcheritescot I believe that she voted for the death penalty. I know her husbund was against the death penalty though, one of the only things they disagreed on.
@thatcheritescot Actually, Wilson didn't do any of those things. The bills to legalise abortion, homosexuality, abolish the death penalty etc. were all private member's bills. The government, aware that they were unpopular, was very keen to disassociate itself from them and Wilson himself was a puritan social conservative who had spoken out against the Wolfenden Committee's recommendation to legalise homosexuality, in 1961. If Wilson had had his way none of them would have passed.
@ajuk1 Thank GOD he legalised abortion! Fuck pro-life cunts! I hate all of them with a passion! How dare they tell a women who has been raped that they cannot get rid of the child because of a fantasy man in the sky!
@ToaJoe Well it's more the length of time it's allowed up to I'm against, although I would agree that in some cases such as rape may allow for more leniency with the time limit.
The reality is more complex than you imply. I think Obama has a rationale stance on this (as laid out in Audacity of Hope)
... you imply every abortion case is a result of rape. That is a baseless rant. Whilst I agree that it is appalling for the religious right to tell a raped woman she can't abort, in OTHER CASES (ie irresponsible, unwanted pregnancies) there are very valid arguments on both sides. You sound just as much an extremist as those who bomb abortion clinics
60 million people in this country. The only people that suffered under Thatcher were the thousands of people who always blame others for their own deficiencies. Do people talk about Wilsonism? No. He was a slippery slug who wasted the mandate given to him in 1966 by constantly worrying about his position rather than that of the country. Thatcher sacrificed herself on the altar of a noble Euroscepticism. Wilson resigned because he couldn't be arsed anymore.
Both Wilson and Callaghan used to dominate Mrs Thatcher at PMQs. Mrs Thatcher herself admitted that after Jim Callaghan dies; she said he could 'best her at the dispatch box.'
@zephyruk she was paying tribute to jim. she was hardly going to attack him. yes it is true that at times thatcher was dominated when she was opposition leader... in my view that was more to do with the lack of tory back bench support for thatcher.
@thatcheritescot I think it probably had more to do with the fact that Wilson was extremely skilful at turning her record of high spending at Education back at her. In the words of Barbara Castle (who hated Jim Callaghan), Jim used to 'pat Margaret Thatcher on the head like a kindly uncle' at question time.
@bonfirejovi Apologies - I am actually a Thatcherite - but I always heard that Wilson generally won the debates, though obviously he was a lame-arse PM & a disaster economically...
@tdp1909 A lame arse PM? The man who legalized abortion (thus ending disgusting religious influence over the nation), legalized homosexuality and ended the death pentalty? A lame arse PM?
That sounds just like a homophobic religious Tory like yourself.
@tdp1909 OK, let's stop for a moment and pretend Wilson didn't infact introduce those excellent policies. Let's pretend it was Roy Jenkins. Now you have to explain to me why he voted for them!
@ToaJoe His government introduced them, but it's said he wasn't keen on them owing to his Congregationalist (almost puritanical) beliefs. Roy Jenkins would have introduced the legislation & I doubt Wilson would have voted his own party's policies down, whatever his private feelings.
And we are still left with Wilson being rubbish. I think he said his proudest achievement was the Open University, whereas Thatcher's was (arguably) the right to buy a council home. I know which one I'd vote for...
@tdp1909 You're making yourself look like a fool. If Wilson didn't like the legislation, they wouldn't go through, end of. If a PM disagrees with his home secretary's policy, it doesn't go through, end of. Stop trying to rob Wilson of his great achievements. You're trying to stick up for Thatcher because she has no real achievements that the public benefited from (I can predict your answer to that, too)
@ToaJoe "If Wilson didn't like the legislation, they wouldn't go through"
Not necessarily - Tony Blair has admitted in his memoirs that he didn't really care for the Fox Hunting Bill, but he still made his government push it through for the cause.
Only reason I mention Wilson thing is I've heard it from 2 opposing sources - Andrew Marr & John O'Farrell.
If the public didn't benefit from Thatcher, then why are most of her policies still defining the politics of this country (e.g. Privatisation)?
@ToaJoe Btw, quick query, how do you know 'Harold Wilson's voting record'?
I searched that term in Google & the first result says "Detailed analysis of voting records goes back to 1969", and the legislation we're talking about was before then.
There are other sources but they don't seem to be online...
Im a secularist and non-religious but you sound just as fanatic as Bible thumping neo-religionists. If you had your way you would probably have all religious people incarcerated, Bibles burned and talking about religion would result in a 10 year sentence.
A religious extremist/an atheist extremist.... two sides of the same coin.
@WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 But the difference is, extremist athiests have facts on their side, extremists religious nuts have absoloutely no facts at all. You are also confusing extremism for passion. I passionately hate religion, but I do have religious friends. Extremists are Christians/Muslims who blow up abortion clinics.
@RichardElden ooooh, aren't you a tough kid, using capital letters when you say a bad word?
ToaJoe 9 months ago
Very interesting. I would like to bet that 99% of people commenting don't know the first thing about what is being said in the clip. The fact is that the 26% inflation rate under the labour government of 1975 was caused by the conservatives' 1972 budget which is universally recognised as being massive economic mismanagement. Then the oil prices in 1973 poured on troubled water. So to hear Thatcher hounding Wilson about it says a lot.
Thatcher= destructive + objectionable, Wilson= ineffective
nevv 9 months ago
WHY COULDN'T THAT HOTEL HAVE BURNED BETTER?
KungfuCow5 9 months ago
Stupid fits.
KrikenKing 9 months ago
@RichardElden *yawn*
Next time I won't bother replying
ToaJoe 10 months ago
@RichardElden *yawn*
ToaJoe 10 months ago
@RichardElden You're possibly the most boring and unimaginative troll ever. I can troll better than you, and I'm not even a troll.
ToaJoe 10 months ago
The problem is, Is doesn`t matter what you think of Harold Wison, The hate of Margret Thatcher and her policies is so strong, He doesn`t even come in to the picture.
xmoroseguyx 11 months ago
Wilson was known for besting Thatcher Maggie only came into her own in 1978-79 in Parliament
bripat22 1 year ago 2
Wilson was in my view one of our most progressive premiers. A great man.
WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 1 year ago
Harold Wilson won that debate.
GodfatherXXI 1 year ago
Wilson won that debate.
GodfatherXXI 1 year ago 3
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ToaJoe 1 year ago 11
@ToaJoe i think u will find that thatcher voted to legalise abortion, homosexuality and to get rid of the death penalty
thatcheritescot 1 year ago 2
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ToaJoe 1 year ago
@thatcheritescot She actually voted against gay rights. See her voting record.
ToaJoe 1 year ago
@ToaJoe that is not the point i made and im pretty sure u know it. she voted in the 60s to decriminalise being gay. thats a fact!!!! and for a woman of her age at that time i would say that was pretty progressive. yes she voted against lowering the age of consent and yes she voted to stop it being taught in schools. but lets not get carried away. her views were pretty moderate compared to some. even today. the fact is she gave power to individuals... individuals include gay people
thatcheritescot 1 year ago 8
@thatcheritescot I believe that she voted for the death penalty. I know her husbund was against the death penalty though, one of the only things they disagreed on.
Svetlanka83 11 months ago
@thatcheritescot Actually, Wilson didn't do any of those things. The bills to legalise abortion, homosexuality, abolish the death penalty etc. were all private member's bills. The government, aware that they were unpopular, was very keen to disassociate itself from them and Wilson himself was a puritan social conservative who had spoken out against the Wolfenden Committee's recommendation to legalise homosexuality, in 1961. If Wilson had had his way none of them would have passed.
OMRLPdedicate 10 months ago
@ToaJoe Thatcher is in FAVOUR of the death penalty.
dlk1dlk1 10 months ago
@thatcheritescot Hmm she may have been bullet dodging there, although I suppose she could have abstained.
ajuk1 1 year ago
@thatcheritescot I think she is for the death penalty; see her memoirs.
dlk1dlk1 8 months ago
@ToaJoe I'm not sure if the legalisation of abortion is something to shout about, but the rest sounds good.
ajuk1 1 year ago
@ajuk1 Thank GOD he legalised abortion! Fuck pro-life cunts! I hate all of them with a passion! How dare they tell a women who has been raped that they cannot get rid of the child because of a fantasy man in the sky!
ToaJoe 1 year ago
@ToaJoe i agree. the legalisation of abortion was a good thing. and u will also find that thatcher voted with wilson on that occasion too.
thatcheritescot 1 year ago
@thatcheritescot She voted for that, yes. But she voted against the ending of capital punishment. Disgraceful!
ToaJoe 1 year ago
@ToaJoe Well it's more the length of time it's allowed up to I'm against, although I would agree that in some cases such as rape may allow for more leniency with the time limit.
ajuk1 1 year ago
@ToaJoe
The reality is more complex than you imply. I think Obama has a rationale stance on this (as laid out in Audacity of Hope)
... you imply every abortion case is a result of rape. That is a baseless rant. Whilst I agree that it is appalling for the religious right to tell a raped woman she can't abort, in OTHER CASES (ie irresponsible, unwanted pregnancies) there are very valid arguments on both sides. You sound just as much an extremist as those who bomb abortion clinics
WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 1 year ago
60 million people in this country. The only people that suffered under Thatcher were the thousands of people who always blame others for their own deficiencies. Do people talk about Wilsonism? No. He was a slippery slug who wasted the mandate given to him in 1966 by constantly worrying about his position rather than that of the country. Thatcher sacrificed herself on the altar of a noble Euroscepticism. Wilson resigned because he couldn't be arsed anymore.
Hamilcar275 7 months ago
@ToaJoe
At least Wilson kept us out of the catastrophic failure of the Vietnam War.
Unlike her he didn't doff his hat so easily to the corporatist, industrialist, military complex.
prben2 3 months ago
@prben2 Some sources say Wilson sent SAS units in civilian clothes to serve in Vietnam.
MrRobertJameson 4 weeks ago
Both Wilson and Callaghan used to dominate Mrs Thatcher at PMQs. Mrs Thatcher herself admitted that after Jim Callaghan dies; she said he could 'best her at the dispatch box.'
zephyruk 1 year ago 2
@zephyruk she was paying tribute to jim. she was hardly going to attack him. yes it is true that at times thatcher was dominated when she was opposition leader... in my view that was more to do with the lack of tory back bench support for thatcher.
thatcheritescot 1 year ago
@thatcheritescot I think it probably had more to do with the fact that Wilson was extremely skilful at turning her record of high spending at Education back at her. In the words of Barbara Castle (who hated Jim Callaghan), Jim used to 'pat Margaret Thatcher on the head like a kindly uncle' at question time.
zephyruk 1 year ago 2
a horrible cunt.
erictheviking871 1 year ago
nice :)
fericitchannel 1 year ago
Wasn't it said that Wilson used to own Thatcher in debates (like Blair used to own Cameron)?
To be fair she was easily the best once Wilson had gone...
tdp1909 1 year ago 2
@tdp1909 Na it was the Wilson that led us further into stagflation.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
@bonfirejovi Apologies - I am actually a Thatcherite - but I always heard that Wilson generally won the debates, though obviously he was a lame-arse PM & a disaster economically...
tdp1909 1 year ago
@tdp1909 A lame arse PM? The man who legalized abortion (thus ending disgusting religious influence over the nation), legalized homosexuality and ended the death pentalty? A lame arse PM?
That sounds just like a homophobic religious Tory like yourself.
ToaJoe 1 year ago
@ToaJoe Actually I'm a Conservative Atheist & I have quite a few gay friends from Uni.
I'd also say that Wilson opposed (or at least was not keen on) "legaliz(ing) abortion legaliz(ing) homosexuality and end(ing) the death penalty."
Wilson also did sweet FA about the economy, as is illustrated in this clip.
It was really Roy Jenkins who did the things you mention & who fully deserves credit - one of the greatest PM's we never had...
tdp1909 1 year ago
@tdp1909 OK, let's stop for a moment and pretend Wilson didn't infact introduce those excellent policies. Let's pretend it was Roy Jenkins. Now you have to explain to me why he voted for them!
ToaJoe 1 year ago
@ToaJoe His government introduced them, but it's said he wasn't keen on them owing to his Congregationalist (almost puritanical) beliefs. Roy Jenkins would have introduced the legislation & I doubt Wilson would have voted his own party's policies down, whatever his private feelings.
And we are still left with Wilson being rubbish. I think he said his proudest achievement was the Open University, whereas Thatcher's was (arguably) the right to buy a council home. I know which one I'd vote for...
tdp1909 1 year ago
@tdp1909 You're making yourself look like a fool. If Wilson didn't like the legislation, they wouldn't go through, end of. If a PM disagrees with his home secretary's policy, it doesn't go through, end of. Stop trying to rob Wilson of his great achievements. You're trying to stick up for Thatcher because she has no real achievements that the public benefited from (I can predict your answer to that, too)
ToaJoe 1 year ago
@ToaJoe "If Wilson didn't like the legislation, they wouldn't go through"
Not necessarily - Tony Blair has admitted in his memoirs that he didn't really care for the Fox Hunting Bill, but he still made his government push it through for the cause.
Only reason I mention Wilson thing is I've heard it from 2 opposing sources - Andrew Marr & John O'Farrell.
If the public didn't benefit from Thatcher, then why are most of her policies still defining the politics of this country (e.g. Privatisation)?
tdp1909 1 year ago
@ToaJoe Btw, quick query, how do you know 'Harold Wilson's voting record'?
I searched that term in Google & the first result says "Detailed analysis of voting records goes back to 1969", and the legislation we're talking about was before then.
There are other sources but they don't seem to be online...
tdp1909 1 year ago
@ToaJoe
'disgusting religious influence'
Im a secularist and non-religious but you sound just as fanatic as Bible thumping neo-religionists. If you had your way you would probably have all religious people incarcerated, Bibles burned and talking about religion would result in a 10 year sentence.
A religious extremist/an atheist extremist.... two sides of the same coin.
WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 1 year ago
@WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 But the difference is, extremist athiests have facts on their side, extremists religious nuts have absoloutely no facts at all. You are also confusing extremism for passion. I passionately hate religion, but I do have religious friends. Extremists are Christians/Muslims who blow up abortion clinics.
ToaJoe 1 year ago
im still mad that the idiot cameron touched our maggie
he should keep his dirty hands off her
klayed 1 year ago 5
@klayed BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER!!!!!!!!!!
KungfuCow5 9 months ago
@KungfuCow5
BURN YOUR HOUSE MAGGIE RULES YOUR WORLD
YOUR EVEN AT A MAGGIE CLIP RIGHT NOW !!!
STAY AT THE LOSER DEMOCRAT FLIP FLOP SIDE BEFOIRE U HAVE 2 SAY SORRY AGAIN
MULE
klayed 9 months ago
@klayed Nah, LibDems are insignificant... Now I refer you to my original comment.
KungfuCow5 9 months ago
@KungfuCow5
LOOK NERD GO PLAY WITH YOUR LABOR FRIENDS IN GITMO I THINK IM READY TO TAKE OVER SOME
MORE FRESH OIL FIELDS HAHAAA GO THROW A ROCK 2 A WALL OR WRITE A LITTLE SONG
ABOUT GOLDMANSACHS CALIMERO LEFTY
klayed 8 months ago
@klayed You spelt 'Labour' wrong.
KungfuCow5 8 months ago
@KungfuCow5
NO NERD I DIDNT SPELLED IT WRONG THAT IS JUST WHAT IT IS WRONG
MOTHERFUCIKER IDIOT NOW GO AWAY BACK 2 YOUR NERD LABOR SIITES CAUSE MOTHERFUCKERS
LIKE U HAVE NOTHING HERE 2 STICK ON
FUCK OFF LEFTY BEFORE I CHASE U OFF THE EARTH
klayed 8 months ago
Where'd you come up with this debate clip?
bjr43 1 year ago 7