freeman8128 I'm a Canadian atheist conservative. Good to know I'm not the only one. I will say as far as the US is concerned you can't be an atheist republican. Nut jobs is all one can say about them.
@JezusSlave Name one thing you blurted out IN ALL CAPS WITH LOTS OF EXCLAMATION MARKS that isn't myth. Your wasting a lot of precious time, in your one chance at life on an amazing planet, in hopes for an afterlife that your were conned into believing.
@gerudovillain You just made a comment about something you know nothing about. I have not met an atheist who claims there is no god. We don't make un- provable claims. You are either a 'theist' or your are 'a-theist' or without a belief in a god.
I think even atheists have misconceptions about atheism. Atheism is a positive affirmation of an absolute negative. Saying anything doesn't exist without knowledge of its non-existence is a fallacy. It is okay to say you don't think there is a God, or that you don't believe in a God, or even that it is improbable that there is a God. One must never say flatly "There is no God." One would have to be God to know that. If you simply don't believe in God right now you are an agnostic.
@gerudovillain You mean Strong atheism, right? Of course thats wrong. Most atheists are weak atheists. Agnostic is different - its about knowing god, not his existence.
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@2:15 we find a version of Aunt Martha's Dictum "Morality is doing what is right, even when no one is looking."
Many, many, many immoral acts have been done in religion's name. None in the name of atheism (even though performed by atheists, that is not the reason.@ 3:20 @5:20)
Don't you guys know morality didn't exist until Christianity. Just like violence didn't exist until movies and video games were created :P Oh man i'm gonna print a poster of those cat commandments!
Another very common misconception about atheists (especially in America) is that we are all anti-establishment, Left wing, Socialists, Marxists, 'Liberals' etc. - NONSENSE! - I cannot speak for America, but here in Europe there are just as many conservative & right-wing atheists as there are 'liberals' & lefties.
Religious Americans should also remember that their (excellent) Constitution is & has been since 1776 a SECULAR Republic that PERMITS religious freedom but does NOT endorse religion.
@izlamiztruth That in itself is a misconception. Some atheists believe there is no god, but mostly we simply don't take a stance on it at all. To be atheist simply means to not follow a theism. Many of us could also be described as agnostic.
@decemberbenjamin I mention this a lot and it is always ignored, because this fact always conflicts with a self-confirming bias. Einstein is even quoted as being upset with being upset that his comments were taken out of context to lable him as an atheist!!!!
I believe the correlation between a country's religious prisoners being more in prison than an atheistic country's would be the educational level of it.
More developed/educated countries have more atheists, and because of this, less of them would commit crime to end up in prison.
@RussianWhiteBoi Which religious books do you consider evidence? The bhagavad gita? The pyramid texts? Jain Agamas? Ginza Rba?
Define "coherent." Non-humans speaking human languages? Humans coming back from the dead? Books on their own are worthless, especially when they read like fairy tales.
If you disproved every scientific theory, you still wouldn't have proved that any god exists.
I still want to know why the idea of gods s/b treated differently than invisible garden faeries.
@RussianWhiteBoi "Scientificly, wouldn't it be correct to say there MAY be a god, and there may NOT be."
Replace the word "god" in your sentence with "invisible garden faeries," or "the monster under the bed," or "the Bogeyman," or "leprechauns." Would you take the question seriously then? If not, why treat the idea of a god or gods any differently? Why believe that something might exist when there's no evidence it does? How do we differentiate between fantasy & reality if not with evidence?
@RussianWhiteBoi In nature it is the beast of prey that need the sick and elderly as food. In human society we have developed passion for the sick or elderly because we can empathise with them, I was sick once and one day I will be elderly. Society benefits when we take care of each other, we all have a potential value to society. Homosexuals contribute to society. They can be firermen, bankers, etc. As long as they stay a minority population will continue. Scientifically, strong lean to no.
ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
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SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy (even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator
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DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news concerning fossils, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit the Institute for Creation Research site.
WHAT IS SCIENCE? Science simply is knowledge based on observation. No one observed the universe coming by chance or by design, by creation or by macro-evolution. These are positions of faith. The issue is which faith the scientific evidence best supports. Natural laws can explain how an airplane or living cell works, but it's irrational to believe that undirected natural laws can bring about an airplane or a living cell. Read my Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
NATURAL SELECTION DOESN'T PRODUCE ANYTHING. It can only "select" from what is produced that has survival value. If a variation occurs that helps a species survive, that survival is called being "selected." That's all its is. There's no conscious selection by nature. It's a passive process. Natural selection is a figure of speech. The term itself is a tautology. Natural selection only operates once there is life and reproduction, not before. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM.
NATURAL SELECTION IS NO BLIND WATCHMAKER because it can only "select," not produce or arrange. If a variation survives, that's called being "selected." Natural selection operates only once there is life and reproduction, not before, so it couldn't have been involved in life's origins. A partially-evolved cell (an oxymoron) would quickly disintegrate. It couldn't wait ("survive") millions of years for chance to complete it and then make it alive! Read: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
IMAGINE A FISH WITH PART FINS, part feet with the fins evolving (transitioning) into feet. What survival benefit would there be? The fish couldn't use its fins or its feet, and there are no fossils showing such a creature ever existed. They only exist on automobile bumper stickers! There are no true transitional forms, either living or fossilized. Evolutionists realize this fact! Read my Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
APES ARE QUITE COMFORTABLE IN HOW THEY WALK, just as humans are quite comfortable in how they walk. Even a slight change in the position of a muscle or bone, for either, would be excruciatingly painful and would not be an advantage for survival. There's no hard evidence that humans evolved from ape-like creatures anymore than there's hard evidence that apes evolved from four-legged-pawed dog-like creatures. Read Internet article: MISSING LINKS THAT NEVER WERE.
GENETIC INFORMATION CANNOT HAPPEN BY CHANCE, so it's more logical to believe that genetic similarities between all forms of life are due to a common Designer who designed similar functions for similar purposes. It doesn't mean all forms of life are biologically related! Also, "Junk DNA" isn't junk. These non-coding segments of DNA have recently been found to be vital in regulating gene expression. Read my popular Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
ALL REAL EVOLUTION ( i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.) in nature is the expression, over time, of already existing genes. Evolution is possible only if there’s information (genes) directing it. Only variations of already existing genes are possible, which means only limited evolution and adaptations are possible. Nature has no ability to invent new genes via random mutations caused by random environmental forces. That’s evolutionary faith, not science. Read my article, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
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Religion is formalized insanity. It's no surprise that having magical thinking will cause a person to do all sorts of odd, cruel, illegal, or to behave in ways that are detrimental to society.
Fantastic video, was thinking of doing one myself until I saw this.
Couple of points tho: Hitler was not veggy (it's a myth)
And the point about Christian morality - not only does the bible omit rape and child abuse from the ten commandments, there are also parts of it which condone slavery. More than that, slave owners are actually instructed to beat their slaves when they get out of line - and they call this a good source of morality?
@jimbox87a Hitler was indeed a vegitarian & non-smoker because he believed it would prolong his life & health - many people who have met & known Hitler personally have reliably testified to his vegitarianism.
Am I good w/out God? Hells yeah!!!! Don't drink, do drugs, cheat on my husband, have never stolen, don't beat anyone, haven't abused anyone, I love fuzzy wuzzy furry little animals...I'm awesome :)
Could you please give me some easy to remember arguments to chase away those fucking jehovas withnesses?
Like they asked me (i didnt knew they were jehovas back then) how do you think there is so much hatred in this world?
I said, even though most people are kind, some are corrupt, and selfish, and therefore other people have to suffer.
And now they tried convincing me that good people have to serve jehova to be saved from the cleansing, and they come to my door and ring the bell in the mornin
@Helloimonbass Just say: Thank you but I am not interested in your fairy tales. I was bored one day and decided to have a long conversation with some JHs that came to my door. Even though I do not agree with their views by any means I find that people treat them very poorly overall. They told me stories of people throwing water on them from the window above in the middle of winter. They might not be capable of critical thinking but they are still human beings and will not be converted.
If religion is the only reason some people can have any morality, then by all means, have your faith. I have a faith (Gnostic Christiasn) but I don't believe in hell, some of us don't need the threat of hell to be moral so I understand what you are saying. Gnostic Christians have always been passivists, even when mainstream Christianity all but wiped us out. I don't fully agree with you but I do understand your points. Religious fanatics drive us both crazy!
That "Atheism -- good enough for these idiots" poster is not well researched; Lincoln clearly believed in a God, Darwin was agnostic, Franklin was a deist and called himself a Christian, Einstein criticized atheism and believed in a God... need I go on?
But well done FfreeThinker, well done. You are, ironically, preaching to the choir.
"Franklin was a deist and called himself a Christian"
He's either deist or Christian, he can't be both as Christianity is not based on a deistic god.
"Einstein criticized atheism and believed in a God"
Einstein held a strawman view of atheism, what more could you expect? Also, his definition of "god", is so broad that even atheists believe in it without calling it "god". Einstein didn't believe in the PERSONAL god, i.e he was a deist AT MOST.
@TurboDally Einstein seemed to clearly be a deist.
As for Franklin, it is quite interesting... he called himself a Christian at times but later wrote that he was a deist. I think he liked Christianity's belief system so he chose to include himself in that religion.
@BraunBrothers You forgot to mention that Franklin didn't believe in the divinity of Christianity. Einstein also didn't believe in a personal god or any organized religions, so saying that he believed in "a God" is very deceiving to those not acquainted with these facts.
@mister3antar It almost seems as though Franklin went back and forth on that notion, but yes, I agree, he called himself a "Christian" because (I believe) he liked their teachings.
But Einstein did believe in a deity -- just not the Christian one.
Einstein used god as a metaphor for nature. As does Stephen Hawking. Neither one believes in a theistic creator-god, and in fact Stephen Hawking is highly critical of religion, a motivated anti-theist.
The prison statistic blew my mind. I did not expect such a big discrepancy between the prison population and the outside population in terms of atheism. I mean, stating that morality flows from god is inane, but I didn't actually expect there to be a statistical relationship opposing it.
i'm not sure if the piranha example is very well chosen because just like with certain atheists being bad people it's only one non-representative example as there are many cannibalistic animals. in general animals don't seem to be a good reference when talking about morals anyway.
A question for atheists. In a world where there's no proof of God's existence or of life after death; how do you explain to your children why you brought them into the world and why they should die?
@wallstreetatheist To say hitler was a catholic or an atheist is debatable, you have to look at what time period in his life. At the end of his life he was an atheist and even put catholics to work camps and death during the holocaust.
Your statements key word is "was" past tense because he was Catholic earlier in his life by doctine, but his words and sentiment were quite the contrary and he supported atheism later on. It is debatable and not a hard fact, and we can't ask him anymore.
@flippyflappy1 He was catholic its a FACT! nothing to debate look up some of this history and quotes about how he is doing this in the name of god etc
@victor6888 Google? Really, that's all you rely on? -it is just the surface and a starting point. Sarah Palin fans changed the history of Paul Rever online. Steven Colbert has changed the histroy of the founders online. Do you blindly accept anything google says as fact, is that all the research you did?
If you are objective in your research you'll find it inconclusive and can debate either way. Using religion as a tool for political control does not mean your beleiver.
@flippyflappy1 Either way, if you use the logic in the video about Hitler being a vegatarian correlation does not imply causation. So, it does not matter whether Hitler was a labled catholic or atheist if you except the principle above about a DEBATABLE fact.
If that is all you have for an arguement in either direction for or against atheism, it's pretty weak and irrelevant to form an arguement especially if you are using the very logic of the presenter of the video as your premise.
@victor6888 Final point on your Debatable fact- you can do a quick wikipedia of Hitler religious views and you'll read just as with many other sources that his views changed constantly and were contradictory as I said in prior posts. You can't pick and choose parts of history, it's a full package.
Either way, Hitler was an enigma and to use him as an overgeneralization for atheism and/or monotheism is a poor arguement for either side as I stated before. It's a moot point intellectually
Hitler seems to have shifted his views quite a lot, from pro-Christian to anti-Christian, yet his believe in "divine providence" aka God didn't shift.
I think the video on your page says from "Der Untergang" with amended subtitles says it well. It is fruitless debating about what a mad man was- Whether debating he was an atheist or theist is trite and irrelevant. Either side of the debate has their own confirmation bias when looking into the history and facts. I would flaw theists and atheists equally when trying to use Hitler as an example to overgeneralize to a larger population-
@flippyflappy1 Or we could just point out that if Hitler was killing in the name of 'Athiesm' why did he kill only ethnic Jews (not to forget the 3 million of other peoples of ethnic, disabled, itellectual backgrounds). He didnt kill millions of CHristians....even if they want to believe he isn't Roman Catholic, why were there no Christians being rounded up for slaughter (for being Christian...not to say there werent many who died because they opposed his policies)?
@OkamsRazer Ok a response here to entertain the troll of 3 days, nice name by the way.
Your intent to pervert history for a self-confirmation bias is nothing more than revisionism.
Hitler wanted to be the messiah of the Nazi religion- he wanted to be worshipped and glorified in history- He wanted to rule the world and be the new age inspiration for history. The youth camps even had a prayer in Hitler's name.
His intention was to destroy christianity after the war, it's history
@wallstreetatheist If you looked at Mein Kampf, you'll find it was written 20 years before he died. He transformed quite a bit before becoming the head of the Nazi party. Just like this video, a lot of the assertions made in this video are intellectually dishonest.
Overall, it seems sophmoric at best with this video and it sounds like he was arguing with someone who was not an intellectual. I would say both are narrow minded and theres better arguements to both sides than this crap.
@wallstreetatheist So hmmm that means?? ...HE CLEARLY DIDN'T FOLLOW ANYTHING IN THE BIBLE. He used that as a front while he served the devil....common are you really that screwed up? Catholicism is corrupt anyway. So are Atheists.
I have to pull the BS flag on this video. It is intellectually disingenious with it's forming its arguements and the blind misuse of "Statistics"- It seems that video maker only had Statistics 101 in college and did not proceed any further. Nice try but do your homework --- Pirahannah with Thunderfoot? Good luck with that one sleeping with the fishes :-)
@shortcake92589 Now that is a question! Honestly, it is bad one. General and overly broad sweeping, which could be taken as intellectually disingenious or insulting. Answering either way to this opens you up to agreeing to a bunch of premises most likely unintended by the fool duped into a yes or no hear.
The answer- It's both and neither. It depends on the atheist in question.
What's your own answer to that same question but replace "Atheist" with "insert here"
I rethought my response to your question. I think it was not a bad or insulting, but a naive one in your case. Given your age your probably still at an undergraduate level and do not have much experience of writing test questions.
All or none, questions in general are poor due to overgeneralization as I stated before. In a test situation, this would be thrown out as an unfair question. However in debates, it will be used to trick an opponent- (why it is dishonest)
not every Muslim believes that the attacks on 9/11 were good, which is what you have put forth constantly saying that it was for religious reasons. Do you think Osama bin Laden will go down as a great man who challenged the greatest principality of his day? No, he's just a guy using religion for his own means. "happened solely because of religion"? Where did moral laws come from? Great men of the past who dreamed of God.
Yes.. The parana doesn't kill its own, but mankind does.. atheists and christians killing atheist and christians. titles don't matter. With the ten commandments you missed the point. He is a jealous God that freed a people from bondage to give them the land that their fathers were promised. Irrelevant, Hypocrytical - ego problem. You don't think that in the years after God gave the ten commandments that subsequent followers would want to know him.. perhaps by name?
@MrTrack412 Atheists make up only 0.5 % of the prison population but are 16 % of the total population.Do you find the video hard to understand?Or are you just hearing what you want to hear?Its documented that Hitler was a roman catholic the Nazis even put "in god we trust" on propaganda & military belt buckles etc but thats just as invalid to say "being an Atheist makes it more likely to do bad things" or like the vid said being a vegetarian,Nevertheless religion does compel individuals to hate
@paulspydar What do you say about Stalin? Do you blindly except just random numbers and statistics as facts so blindly? There are so many holes in this presentation that it would be laughable except it seems most people here do not have a Statistics class beyond a college 101 class.
A little knoledge is a dangerous thing because they only know half the story, sometimes it's the other half of the story needs to be asked because that is where the truth comes out.
I am sure if one looked further into it honestly and to not skew the statistics/numbers and make erroneous comparisons that you would find crime pretty much the same. It seems the problem with debates like this either side has too much of an agenda that they are blind to be objective. You can hear this in the tone of the narrators voice.
I don't mind a healthy debate, and there are better arguements for each side. It's dishonest logic and overgeneraliztion that bothers me.
@flippyflappy1 with that I 100% agree with you,I have stopped expecting completely open debates on YouTube, though even expecting one in the first place I have now learned was wishful thinking , I do however endeavor to have them, Hopefully if more users can use a completely open mind ( I realise it can be hard sometimes to be objective) & have an attitude more like your last comment to me, there is hope for YouTube as a forum after all, kind regards,
@paulspydar Atheists start a lot of controversy,and they have nothing to fight for.It's obviously not peace on earth,or for a"creating a heaven on earth"theory.Hitler USED Catholicism as a front of his service for the devil.CLEARLY he went by nothing in the bible.He was obviously representing an evil spirit. Anyone can simply say they're something they're not.Catholicism is corrupt anyway.Speaking of choosing what to hear,atheists do that best.The proof is in the things you deny.Look it up.
@Nessakeepsitreal517 that's convenient,Because Hitler (& others) may be complete douche bags & say they are religious,then other religious folk claim "oh that's because they are faking it etc" so were the 9/11 terrorists real Muslims ? or just fakers? how about the crusades? or the IDF? or the spanish inquisitions? or the 1000s & 1000s of other atrocities comitted in the name of a faith? I`ve my belief in NON belief "there are no GOD/S" & that religion is a BIG cause of what you call Evil..Cont
@paulspydar North Korea is an atheistic state. Let's go talk to Kim Jong il because that is the paradise society to live in. LOL you can pick out retards on both sides of the coin theists or atheists. As far as politicians and leaders go, they play to whatever the herd of people will move atheist or theist to suit there needs.
Let's talk about the other ism's that have caused atrocities world wide. Nationalism/Patriatism (WW1) (WW2)-
@Nessakeepsitreal517 How can you say that being an Atheist means that you have nothing to fight for? and that they are not interested in Peace on earth? that's just such a sweeping generalization which I don't see how you can back up with check-able facts, but I may be wrong? so please enlighten all here that are interested in them.
@paulspydar 9/11 is a direct result of globalism. The mideast has been ravaged and kept unstable for well over a 100 years for its oil, poppy fields, and other resources by internationalists. You only hear what the news tells you (which is propaganda to scapegoat and provide cover for those perpetrating the atrocities) and build your world view from there which is ignorant.
Do you honestly beleive everything you hear about the terrorists? Watch some WW2 propaganda films sometime-
@3:27 It doesn't matter if you are an atheist or believe in a religion. If your an evil bastard, your and evil bastard. Your numbers say nothing. What are they based on??
Let everyone believe what they want. Only one rule applies to me and yes it's in the bible but i'm not religious.
Do not do to others what you would not like to be done to you.
The numbers do say something, they just don't prove a thing but that which you said.
And yes, let everyone believe what they want but also inform them when those beliefs are either unfounded or even wrong, especially when they are potentially harmful and ridicule them if possible.
@sticky170 The ancient Egyptians were most likely the first to write down the "golden rule", and it was definately long before the Bible wrote any such thing. It can also be found in traditional African religions, Buddhism, various forms of Paganism, Confucianism, Greek secular philosophy, and a plethora of other sources that have nothing to do with the Bible. Once again Christianity gets special recognition for what is just universal sense. Please watch: Atheists SECRETLY believe in Yahweh.
A theist brought up a good point to me. She said that there are special programs in prisons that Christians get to benefit from, so some atheists claim to be Christian in order to get those benefits. For the record, I'm an atheist.
You're referring to the prison statistics right? Those are entry statistics, or at least that's what I heard. They probably don't know about those programs when they get into prison for the first time. Secondly there's no reason for them to lie on the entry survey, they can lie once they're inside.
@Quintinohthree Another good question: How many of these "born again" prisoners become repeat offenders? This theist told me that most criminals are atheist, and they all convert while they were in prison. I asked him to profuce a source for his claim, and to also produce a source that shows how many of them were repeat offenders, and he went all "Agent Smith" on me:D
Theists blaming atheists for what they don't do, theists unable to come up with evidence and going crazy when asked to provide, theists making false statements, that sounds believable.
But yeah, I wonder how many do repeat.
Oh, while we're at it, anyone should watch?v=O0CEeFzUV7w
bad anology: wikipedia - "It is important to keep keep four or more, not in pairs, since aggression among them is common, not allowing the weaker fish to survive, and is distributed more widely when kept in larger groups. It is not rare to find individuals with one eye missing due to a previous attack. Piranhas are likely to become cannibalistic on others in their group if underfed".
I don't understand why Christians only say atheists can't be moral but don't say the same about people of other religions (e.g. Muslims, Hindus, etc.). Do they believe false gods can somehow make people more moral than people who worship no god at all? Somebody please explain this to me.
Baby sandwiches,who would have thought it?This is a great way to discipline a child.Parent to child; if you don't behave I'm going to make a sandwich out of you.
The 10 commandmends are NOT the only laws in the bible. They are stated as the most important ones, yes. But never thought about where the idea comes from that you shouldn't lay with another man? Other laws are in the book and they are horrendous.
From killing your kid cause he didn't listen to telling how to beat up your slave. That book has absolutely NO use in telling anyone how to behave to someone else. It would be the end of the world if christians would actually follow those laws
well come now people, i dont think all christians are going to become the next hitler or cause the next 9/11 xD other than that, this guy makes some good points
joseph stlain and adolf hitler? mao and po plot? Marques de Sade and Marilyn Manson? they wr all humans.... oh wot does that mean.... all humans are like them??
Eisntein was not an atheist. Just so you know. And neither was Charles Darwin. And ppl in prisons become beleivers because some are on death row, and they are afraid of death. And finally, is atheism the ONLY logica way to live your life? Can't there be another way? Why does everyone have to an atheist in order to be smart?
You show your pig-ignorance. Charles Darwin was certainly and Atheist. If Einstein was anything he was a deist - which rules out all religions - inlcluding yours. Also, Hitler was a Catholic and he was celebrated by the Pope for his anti-semitist remarks in Mein Kampf. Stalin and Pot did not kill in the name of atheism. Hitler was a vegetarian with a moustach - he did not kill in the name of vegetarianism or people with moustaches.
One can pray, one can worship whatever one wants, I have nothing against it as long as you keep it away from public life. Politics and social issues should not be dealt with from religious point of view.
What about Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hilter, Po Plot, Marx, Mao, Marques de Sade, Mariln Manson? They are evil and they do NOT BELIEVE in religion. The world would still have problems. And if religion wasn't invented, what would ppl say they came from? Evoltuion? Darwin wasn't alive when religion was invented. Sorry.
Others don't know much about Atheism because they all have the "If you don't believe what I do then you are wrong" syndrome. I think it's funny that we have researched their religion, but they will NEVER step out of their bubble and read about anything other then what they believe is right or admit that there is more to life then "God". It's sad to me that they are so ignorant, they have no clue what its like to actually live....not follow as a sheep, but live.
I would not use the prison argument for several reasons. We don't know the religious affiliation of a significant percent of the prison population since the surveys give the option of not answering that question. We don't have stats on the types of crime committed by each group. We don't have any stats on the mental illness rates of each group. We don't have any stats on false convictions. We also don't have any information on their behavior while in prison.
@KingOfMadCows “We don't have any stats on the mental illness rates of each group.”
I believe that we should have stats on Christian in teaching professionals. Very concerned that someone who believes of supernatural beings in their head shouldn’t be around young people. Plus christians have a long run of child abuse – catholic priests – jesus camp – ‘living a lie’ church goers like George Alan Rekers & Ted Haggard – I wouldn’t trust my child within 100 miles near those sick sados
@compsciguy - protection of children isn't whining, only people who have sick thoughts of paedophilia would say something like that, get close to target. To protect people, you remove the cause of how they can be contaminated or violated - in this case you remove religion and religious people from areas where they are involved with children. Don’t waste valuable police time when protection of children can be easy done by any authority that has an interest of it’s community.
@mrpancaek What's you're point? I'm all for smacking down religion just as much as the next atheist but just because one person believed in something doesn't mean that everyone else who also believes in that acts and thinks the same way as the first person.
Darwin was sexist. Does that mean that everyone who believes in evolution is sexist too? Of course not.
@MovieFinatic456 Nono you miss my point completely, I wrote that comment at the part of the video when he said Hitler was a famous atheist mass murderer (and it does seem to be fairly widely believed knowledge)
@mrpancaek Ah I see. Well my comment pretty much still stands. Though, for the most part I'm pretty sure that Hitler was a Catholic too. Doesn't he mention God or at the very least a "Creator" in his book?
@MovieFinatic456 " Though, for the most part I'm pretty sure that Hitler was a Catholic too. Doesn't he mention God or at the very least a "Creator" in his book?"
You are correct on both counts – He is a good example of why we should Christians out of politics and out of areas of education. They just can’t be trusted to work for the benefit of the human race. They only have self interest in-mind, as do all religious groups. They use fear, torture and motional blackmail to control.
@TheFireHorseUK I agree with you for the most part. But remember, there are the more moderate Christians (my mom is one of them) who really don't believe in the Bible as
Hitler was a roman catholic! not an atheist.
thedazdaryl 1 week ago
freeman8128 I'm a Canadian atheist conservative. Good to know I'm not the only one. I will say as far as the US is concerned you can't be an atheist republican. Nut jobs is all one can say about them.
cvanunen 3 weeks ago
@JezusSlave Name one thing you blurted out IN ALL CAPS WITH LOTS OF EXCLAMATION MARKS that isn't myth. Your wasting a lot of precious time, in your one chance at life on an amazing planet, in hopes for an afterlife that your were conned into believing.
cvanunen 3 weeks ago
@gerudovillain You just made a comment about something you know nothing about. I have not met an atheist who claims there is no god. We don't make un- provable claims. You are either a 'theist' or your are 'a-theist' or without a belief in a god.
cvanunen 3 weeks ago
but people aren't fish.
knowone11111 1 month ago
Very Infomative.. Thanks for vids
Flusercom 1 month ago
Good!! Thanks
Spasatcom 1 month ago
I think even atheists have misconceptions about atheism. Atheism is a positive affirmation of an absolute negative. Saying anything doesn't exist without knowledge of its non-existence is a fallacy. It is okay to say you don't think there is a God, or that you don't believe in a God, or even that it is improbable that there is a God. One must never say flatly "There is no God." One would have to be God to know that. If you simply don't believe in God right now you are an agnostic.
gerudovillain 1 month ago
@gerudovillain You mean Strong atheism, right? Of course thats wrong. Most atheists are weak atheists. Agnostic is different - its about knowing god, not his existence.
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JezusSlave 1 month ago
@2:15 we find a version of Aunt Martha's Dictum "Morality is doing what is right, even when no one is looking."
Many, many, many immoral acts have been done in religion's name. None in the name of atheism (even though performed by atheists, that is not the reason.@ 3:20 @5:20)
George4943 1 month ago
Don't you guys know morality didn't exist until Christianity. Just like violence didn't exist until movies and video games were created :P Oh man i'm gonna print a poster of those cat commandments!
kingcarcas1349 1 month ago
Another very common misconception about atheists (especially in America) is that we are all anti-establishment, Left wing, Socialists, Marxists, 'Liberals' etc. - NONSENSE! - I cannot speak for America, but here in Europe there are just as many conservative & right-wing atheists as there are 'liberals' & lefties.
Religious Americans should also remember that their (excellent) Constitution is & has been since 1776 a SECULAR Republic that PERMITS religious freedom but does NOT endorse religion.
freeman8128 2 months ago
A+ for a cool video and using one of my favorite Goldfrapp tracks!
ElectroPagan 2 months ago
how can you have Misconceptions About Atheism ? thats a stupid statement .
Atheism is simply the belif that there is no god , how can you have Misconceptions about that . ?
izlamiztruth 3 months ago
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@izlamiztruth Not the "belief that there is no god", but that there is a lack of belief in gods.
atheistjacob 2 months ago
@izlamiztruth That in itself is a misconception. Some atheists believe there is no god, but mostly we simply don't take a stance on it at all. To be atheist simply means to not follow a theism. Many of us could also be described as agnostic.
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@izlamiztruth "how can you have Misconceptions About Atheism ? thats a stupid statement .
Atheism is simply the belif that there is no god , how can you have Misconceptions about that . ?"
Ask a Christian. I make no garuntees that you will understand thier response, but I'm confident they will have one.
davidsfriend01 2 months ago
@izlamiztruth To be fair though, it's not a belief that there is no God, just a rejection of the claim that there is one.
davidsfriend01 2 months ago
Just a side note, you shouldn't involve Einstein into the atheism picture, he believed in a designer.
decemberbenjamin 3 months ago
@decemberbenjamin I mention this a lot and it is always ignored, because this fact always conflicts with a self-confirming bias. Einstein is even quoted as being upset with being upset that his comments were taken out of context to lable him as an atheist!!!!
flippyflappy1 3 months ago
I believe the correlation between a country's religious prisoners being more in prison than an atheistic country's would be the educational level of it.
More developed/educated countries have more atheists, and because of this, less of them would commit crime to end up in prison.
Uneducated = belief in religion.
decemberbenjamin 3 months ago
Also another misconception, is that the only god we dont believe in is the christian god! I mean hello we dont believe in ANY god!
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eastariel 3 months ago
The thing is u can't really judge God and doubt him because who are we to judge him who created us and gave us life
haloroxbigtime 4 months ago
@haloroxbigtime You can judge the credibility of claims that there is a god. Let's see, what empirical evidence do we have that there is a god?
None.
ndrthrdr1 4 months ago 2
@haloroxbigtime Umm that's the point! How do we know that he did ever thought or heard of evolution other animals did why couldnt we?
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@RussianWhiteBoi Well, I didn't say they're mute.
YY4Me133 4 months ago
@RussianWhiteBoi Which religious books do you consider evidence? The bhagavad gita? The pyramid texts? Jain Agamas? Ginza Rba?
Define "coherent." Non-humans speaking human languages? Humans coming back from the dead? Books on their own are worthless, especially when they read like fairy tales.
If you disproved every scientific theory, you still wouldn't have proved that any god exists.
I still want to know why the idea of gods s/b treated differently than invisible garden faeries.
YY4Me133 4 months ago
@RussianWhiteBoi "Scientificly, wouldn't it be correct to say there MAY be a god, and there may NOT be."
Replace the word "god" in your sentence with "invisible garden faeries," or "the monster under the bed," or "the Bogeyman," or "leprechauns." Would you take the question seriously then? If not, why treat the idea of a god or gods any differently? Why believe that something might exist when there's no evidence it does? How do we differentiate between fantasy & reality if not with evidence?
YY4Me133 4 months ago
Piranhas do eat each other I have watched them do just that, just thought you might want to know.
berrywoke 4 months ago
@RussianWhiteBoi In nature it is the beast of prey that need the sick and elderly as food. In human society we have developed passion for the sick or elderly because we can empathise with them, I was sick once and one day I will be elderly. Society benefits when we take care of each other, we all have a potential value to society. Homosexuals contribute to society. They can be firermen, bankers, etc. As long as they stay a minority population will continue. Scientifically, strong lean to no.
TheAtheistJones 4 months ago
Most of the German people were not Catholic. The country was mainly Lutheran. It doesn't change your point but you might want to correct that
Nocturnalux 4 months ago
@Mogley52 you're a bit of a cunt aren't you.
Benjuthula 5 months ago
Great video, thanks for posting.
Benjuthula 5 months ago
Great vid. Makes me want to start an Atheist genital mutilation and fatwa cult.
calmreason 5 months ago
god existed have non of you been to a iron maiden concert
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ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
Mogley52 5 months ago
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THE SCIENTIFIC CASE AGAINST ATHEISM: Please read this Internet article of mine published in Russia's English Pravda. It will be a real eye-opener for all who think belief in a Creator is merely subjective blind faith. Also read my article, LIFE ON MARS NO SURPRISE (In the Earth's past there was powerful volcanic activity which spewed life-containing dirt and rocks (meteors) into outer space. Mars may literally have millions tons of Earth soil)
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SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy (even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
Mogley52 5 months ago
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EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator
Mogley52 5 months ago
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NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How were species living and reproducing if their vital structures, organs, reproductive systems hadn't evolved yet? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species
Mogley52 5 months ago
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DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news concerning fossils, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit the Institute for Creation Research site.
Mogley52 5 months ago
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WHAT IS SCIENCE? Science simply is knowledge based on observation. No one observed the universe coming by chance or by design, by creation or by macro-evolution. These are positions of faith. The issue is which faith the scientific evidence best supports. Natural laws can explain how an airplane or living cell works, but it's irrational to believe that undirected natural laws can bring about an airplane or a living cell. Read my Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 5 months ago
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NATURAL SELECTION DOESN'T PRODUCE ANYTHING. It can only "select" from what is produced that has survival value. If a variation occurs that helps a species survive, that survival is called being "selected." That's all its is. There's no conscious selection by nature. It's a passive process. Natural selection is a figure of speech. The term itself is a tautology. Natural selection only operates once there is life and reproduction, not before. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM.
Mogley52 5 months ago
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NATURAL SELECTION IS NO BLIND WATCHMAKER because it can only "select," not produce or arrange. If a variation survives, that's called being "selected." Natural selection operates only once there is life and reproduction, not before, so it couldn't have been involved in life's origins. A partially-evolved cell (an oxymoron) would quickly disintegrate. It couldn't wait ("survive") millions of years for chance to complete it and then make it alive! Read: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 5 months ago
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IMAGINE A FISH WITH PART FINS, part feet with the fins evolving (transitioning) into feet. What survival benefit would there be? The fish couldn't use its fins or its feet, and there are no fossils showing such a creature ever existed. They only exist on automobile bumper stickers! There are no true transitional forms, either living or fossilized. Evolutionists realize this fact! Read my Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
Mogley52 5 months ago
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APES ARE QUITE COMFORTABLE IN HOW THEY WALK, just as humans are quite comfortable in how they walk. Even a slight change in the position of a muscle or bone, for either, would be excruciatingly painful and would not be an advantage for survival. There's no hard evidence that humans evolved from ape-like creatures anymore than there's hard evidence that apes evolved from four-legged-pawed dog-like creatures. Read Internet article: MISSING LINKS THAT NEVER WERE.
Mogley52 5 months ago
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GENETIC INFORMATION CANNOT HAPPEN BY CHANCE, so it's more logical to believe that genetic similarities between all forms of life are due to a common Designer who designed similar functions for similar purposes. It doesn't mean all forms of life are biologically related! Also, "Junk DNA" isn't junk. These non-coding segments of DNA have recently been found to be vital in regulating gene expression. Read my popular Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 5 months ago
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ALL REAL EVOLUTION ( i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.) in nature is the expression, over time, of already existing genes. Evolution is possible only if there’s information (genes) directing it. Only variations of already existing genes are possible, which means only limited evolution and adaptations are possible. Nature has no ability to invent new genes via random mutations caused by random environmental forces. That’s evolutionary faith, not science. Read my article, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
Mogley52 5 months ago
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DO EYES CARRY SCARS OF EVOLUTION? Read this fantastic Internet article by biologist and creationist Brian Thomas. Thomas refutes every argument of a "flawed" design for the eye, and explains how and why the so-called flaw is actually the best thing for the eye. Read the article! It's amazing what facts evolutionists will ignore. Numerous times evolutionists have been proven wrong about their interpretation of a structure as being flawed or useless
Mogley52 5 months ago
Man, what is that song at the beginning?? It sounds so familiar!! The beginning kinda reminds me of Capital G, but I know it's not that…
VannahWilson 5 months ago
Hitler was a Catholic
ThePeacefulAtheistt 5 months ago
Religion is formalized insanity. It's no surprise that having magical thinking will cause a person to do all sorts of odd, cruel, illegal, or to behave in ways that are detrimental to society.
mikefromwa 5 months ago 22
I love how educated most of the comments on this video are. :D
Chocopuppet 5 months ago
Fantastic video, was thinking of doing one myself until I saw this.
Couple of points tho: Hitler was not veggy (it's a myth)
And the point about Christian morality - not only does the bible omit rape and child abuse from the ten commandments, there are also parts of it which condone slavery. More than that, slave owners are actually instructed to beat their slaves when they get out of line - and they call this a good source of morality?
Source: Ephesians 6:5-6, 1 Peter 2:18-21
Truly sickening
jimbox87a 6 months ago 5
@jimbox87a Hitler was indeed a vegitarian & non-smoker because he believed it would prolong his life & health - many people who have met & known Hitler personally have reliably testified to his vegitarianism.
freeman8128 2 months ago
What's the song?
MrJivePirate 6 months ago
Am I good w/out God? Hells yeah!!!! Don't drink, do drugs, cheat on my husband, have never stolen, don't beat anyone, haven't abused anyone, I love fuzzy wuzzy furry little animals...I'm awesome :)
83redrose83 6 months ago
Nicely done
Skidrowfan911 6 months ago
Could you please give me some easy to remember arguments to chase away those fucking jehovas withnesses?
Like they asked me (i didnt knew they were jehovas back then) how do you think there is so much hatred in this world?
I said, even though most people are kind, some are corrupt, and selfish, and therefore other people have to suffer.
And now they tried convincing me that good people have to serve jehova to be saved from the cleansing, and they come to my door and ring the bell in the mornin
Helloimonbass 6 months ago
@Helloimonbass Just say: Thank you but I am not interested in your fairy tales. I was bored one day and decided to have a long conversation with some JHs that came to my door. Even though I do not agree with their views by any means I find that people treat them very poorly overall. They told me stories of people throwing water on them from the window above in the middle of winter. They might not be capable of critical thinking but they are still human beings and will not be converted.
pimpymcdougall 6 months ago
@pimpymcdougall Yeah i wont treat them badly dont worry, but i just want to put down their stupid arguments
Helloimonbass 6 months ago
If religion is the only reason some people can have any morality, then by all means, have your faith. I have a faith (Gnostic Christiasn) but I don't believe in hell, some of us don't need the threat of hell to be moral so I understand what you are saying. Gnostic Christians have always been passivists, even when mainstream Christianity all but wiped us out. I don't fully agree with you but I do understand your points. Religious fanatics drive us both crazy!
astrofrk 6 months ago
That "Atheism -- good enough for these idiots" poster is not well researched; Lincoln clearly believed in a God, Darwin was agnostic, Franklin was a deist and called himself a Christian, Einstein criticized atheism and believed in a God... need I go on?
But well done FfreeThinker, well done. You are, ironically, preaching to the choir.
BraunBrothers 6 months ago
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"Franklin was a deist and called himself a Christian"
He's either deist or Christian, he can't be both as Christianity is not based on a deistic god.
"Einstein criticized atheism and believed in a God"
Einstein held a strawman view of atheism, what more could you expect? Also, his definition of "god", is so broad that even atheists believe in it without calling it "god". Einstein didn't believe in the PERSONAL god, i.e he was a deist AT MOST.
TurboDally 6 months ago
@TurboDally Einstein seemed to clearly be a deist.
As for Franklin, it is quite interesting... he called himself a Christian at times but later wrote that he was a deist. I think he liked Christianity's belief system so he chose to include himself in that religion.
BraunBrothers 6 months ago
@BraunBrothers You forgot to mention that Franklin didn't believe in the divinity of Christianity. Einstein also didn't believe in a personal god or any organized religions, so saying that he believed in "a God" is very deceiving to those not acquainted with these facts.
The rest of what you said is true though.
mister3antar 6 months ago
@mister3antar It almost seems as though Franklin went back and forth on that notion, but yes, I agree, he called himself a "Christian" because (I believe) he liked their teachings.
But Einstein did believe in a deity -- just not the Christian one.
BraunBrothers 6 months ago
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Einstein used god as a metaphor for nature. As does Stephen Hawking. Neither one believes in a theistic creator-god, and in fact Stephen Hawking is highly critical of religion, a motivated anti-theist.
Ryakki 5 months ago
The prison statistic blew my mind. I did not expect such a big discrepancy between the prison population and the outside population in terms of atheism. I mean, stating that morality flows from god is inane, but I didn't actually expect there to be a statistical relationship opposing it.
Figaera69 7 months ago
god is the biggest mass murderer of all time, according to the bible
AdvancingOverTime 7 months ago
Wait there's no Santa Clause... When the FUCK did this happen.
DCM0Dz 7 months ago
i'm not sure if the piranha example is very well chosen because just like with certain atheists being bad people it's only one non-representative example as there are many cannibalistic animals. in general animals don't seem to be a good reference when talking about morals anyway.
there's no disputing the message though.
Ensiferu 8 months ago
God's commandments were put in his word to keep you from sin. He is HELPING you.
Nessakeepsitreal517 8 months ago
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maccaaccam99 8 months ago
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A question for atheists. In a world where there's no proof of God's existence or of life after death; how do you explain to your children why you brought them into the world and why they should die?
QuestionForAtheists 9 months ago
Hitler was a Catholic.
1. Do a google search to find a copy of Mein Kampf.
2. Ctrl+F to Search keywords like "God," "Lord," and "Creator."
3. Read the surrounding lines to get an idea of how his Christian faith directly encouraged him to commit genocide.
wallstreetatheist 9 months ago
@wallstreetatheist To say hitler was a catholic or an atheist is debatable, you have to look at what time period in his life. At the end of his life he was an atheist and even put catholics to work camps and death during the holocaust.
Your statements key word is "was" past tense because he was Catholic earlier in his life by doctine, but his words and sentiment were quite the contrary and he supported atheism later on. It is debatable and not a hard fact, and we can't ask him anymore.
flippyflappy1 9 months ago
@flippyflappy1 He was catholic its a FACT! nothing to debate look up some of this history and quotes about how he is doing this in the name of god etc
victor6888 8 months ago
@victor6888 Google? Really, that's all you rely on? -it is just the surface and a starting point. Sarah Palin fans changed the history of Paul Rever online. Steven Colbert has changed the histroy of the founders online. Do you blindly accept anything google says as fact, is that all the research you did?
If you are objective in your research you'll find it inconclusive and can debate either way. Using religion as a tool for political control does not mean your beleiver.
flippyflappy1 8 months ago
@flippyflappy1 Either way, if you use the logic in the video about Hitler being a vegatarian correlation does not imply causation. So, it does not matter whether Hitler was a labled catholic or atheist if you except the principle above about a DEBATABLE fact.
If that is all you have for an arguement in either direction for or against atheism, it's pretty weak and irrelevant to form an arguement especially if you are using the very logic of the presenter of the video as your premise.
flippyflappy1 8 months ago
@victor6888 Final point on your Debatable fact- you can do a quick wikipedia of Hitler religious views and you'll read just as with many other sources that his views changed constantly and were contradictory as I said in prior posts. You can't pick and choose parts of history, it's a full package.
Either way, Hitler was an enigma and to use him as an overgeneralization for atheism and/or monotheism is a poor arguement for either side as I stated before. It's a moot point intellectually
flippyflappy1 8 months ago 11
@flippyflappy1
Hitler seems to have shifted his views quite a lot, from pro-Christian to anti-Christian, yet his believe in "divine providence" aka God didn't shift.
TurboDally 6 months ago
I think the video on your page says from "Der Untergang" with amended subtitles says it well. It is fruitless debating about what a mad man was- Whether debating he was an atheist or theist is trite and irrelevant. Either side of the debate has their own confirmation bias when looking into the history and facts. I would flaw theists and atheists equally when trying to use Hitler as an example to overgeneralize to a larger population-
Have a good day
flippyflappy1 6 months ago
@flippyflappy1 Or we could just point out that if Hitler was killing in the name of 'Athiesm' why did he kill only ethnic Jews (not to forget the 3 million of other peoples of ethnic, disabled, itellectual backgrounds). He didnt kill millions of CHristians....even if they want to believe he isn't Roman Catholic, why were there no Christians being rounded up for slaughter (for being Christian...not to say there werent many who died because they opposed his policies)?
OkamsRazer 4 months ago
@OkamsRazer Ok a response here to entertain the troll of 3 days, nice name by the way.
Your intent to pervert history for a self-confirmation bias is nothing more than revisionism.
Hitler wanted to be the messiah of the Nazi religion- he wanted to be worshipped and glorified in history- He wanted to rule the world and be the new age inspiration for history. The youth camps even had a prayer in Hitler's name.
His intention was to destroy christianity after the war, it's history
flippyflappy1 4 months ago
@wallstreetatheist If you looked at Mein Kampf, you'll find it was written 20 years before he died. He transformed quite a bit before becoming the head of the Nazi party. Just like this video, a lot of the assertions made in this video are intellectually dishonest.
Overall, it seems sophmoric at best with this video and it sounds like he was arguing with someone who was not an intellectual. I would say both are narrow minded and theres better arguements to both sides than this crap.
flippyflappy1 9 months ago
@wallstreetatheist So hmmm that means?? ...HE CLEARLY DIDN'T FOLLOW ANYTHING IN THE BIBLE. He used that as a front while he served the devil....common are you really that screwed up? Catholicism is corrupt anyway. So are Atheists.
Nessakeepsitreal517 8 months ago
@myironlungca I was being sarcastic. Guess it wasn't clear.
elthariondrax 9 months ago
@elthariondrax sorry :)
myironlungca 9 months ago
I have to pull the BS flag on this video. It is intellectually disingenious with it's forming its arguements and the blind misuse of "Statistics"- It seems that video maker only had Statistics 101 in college and did not proceed any further. Nice try but do your homework --- Pirahannah with Thunderfoot? Good luck with that one sleeping with the fishes :-)
flippyflappy1 9 months ago
@flippyflappy1 So you agree that Atheists make America a worse place, or you disagree?
shortcake92589 9 months ago
@shortcake92589 Now that is a question! Honestly, it is bad one. General and overly broad sweeping, which could be taken as intellectually disingenious or insulting. Answering either way to this opens you up to agreeing to a bunch of premises most likely unintended by the fool duped into a yes or no hear.
The answer- It's both and neither. It depends on the atheist in question.
What's your own answer to that same question but replace "Atheist" with "insert here"
BS on this vid
flippyflappy1 9 months ago
I rethought my response to your question. I think it was not a bad or insulting, but a naive one in your case. Given your age your probably still at an undergraduate level and do not have much experience of writing test questions.
All or none, questions in general are poor due to overgeneralization as I stated before. In a test situation, this would be thrown out as an unfair question. However in debates, it will be used to trick an opponent- (why it is dishonest)
Thanks for asking
flippyflappy1 9 months ago
Interesting vid. Thanks.
Memoria777 9 months ago
piranha often attack each other, they must be kept feel feed in an aquarium setting to avoid this, just saying!
Ethermoo 10 months ago
not every Muslim believes that the attacks on 9/11 were good, which is what you have put forth constantly saying that it was for religious reasons. Do you think Osama bin Laden will go down as a great man who challenged the greatest principality of his day? No, he's just a guy using religion for his own means. "happened solely because of religion"? Where did moral laws come from? Great men of the past who dreamed of God.
M1t20 10 months ago
Yes.. The parana doesn't kill its own, but mankind does.. atheists and christians killing atheist and christians. titles don't matter. With the ten commandments you missed the point. He is a jealous God that freed a people from bondage to give them the land that their fathers were promised. Irrelevant, Hypocrytical - ego problem. You don't think that in the years after God gave the ten commandments that subsequent followers would want to know him.. perhaps by name?
M1t20 10 months ago
Pirhannas are animals (fish). They do not think.
The ten commandments are there to HELP you in your life.
God loves you. Why are you rejecting him?
You do not know the history of Adolf Hitler very well. He was not a Christian.
9/11 happened because of those who did not believe in Jesus Christ. America is a land of Christians.
Atheists make up 16% of the prison population? THANK YOU, YOU JUST GAVE ME ANOTHER STATISTIC TO PROVE CHRISTIANTY IS BETTER THAN ATHEISM!!!
MrTrack412 10 months ago
@MrTrack412 Learn to listen. Atheists make up 16 % of the (total) population but only 0.5 % of the prison population.
Memoria777 9 months ago
@MrTrack412 so you win because youve got the most people to back you up? sounds like a gang to me
megastratix 9 months ago
@MrTrack412 Atheists make up only 0.5 % of the prison population but are 16 % of the total population.Do you find the video hard to understand?Or are you just hearing what you want to hear?Its documented that Hitler was a roman catholic the Nazis even put "in god we trust" on propaganda & military belt buckles etc but thats just as invalid to say "being an Atheist makes it more likely to do bad things" or like the vid said being a vegetarian,Nevertheless religion does compel individuals to hate
paulspydar 9 months ago
@paulspydar What do you say about Stalin? Do you blindly except just random numbers and statistics as facts so blindly? There are so many holes in this presentation that it would be laughable except it seems most people here do not have a Statistics class beyond a college 101 class.
A little knoledge is a dangerous thing because they only know half the story, sometimes it's the other half of the story needs to be asked because that is where the truth comes out.
flippyflappy1 9 months ago
@paulspydar
I am sure if one looked further into it honestly and to not skew the statistics/numbers and make erroneous comparisons that you would find crime pretty much the same. It seems the problem with debates like this either side has too much of an agenda that they are blind to be objective. You can hear this in the tone of the narrators voice.
I don't mind a healthy debate, and there are better arguements for each side. It's dishonest logic and overgeneraliztion that bothers me.
flippyflappy1 9 months ago
@flippyflappy1 with that I 100% agree with you,I have stopped expecting completely open debates on YouTube, though even expecting one in the first place I have now learned was wishful thinking , I do however endeavor to have them, Hopefully if more users can use a completely open mind ( I realise it can be hard sometimes to be objective) & have an attitude more like your last comment to me, there is hope for YouTube as a forum after all, kind regards,
paulspydar 9 months ago
@paulspydar Atheists start a lot of controversy,and they have nothing to fight for.It's obviously not peace on earth,or for a"creating a heaven on earth"theory.Hitler USED Catholicism as a front of his service for the devil.CLEARLY he went by nothing in the bible.He was obviously representing an evil spirit. Anyone can simply say they're something they're not.Catholicism is corrupt anyway.Speaking of choosing what to hear,atheists do that best.The proof is in the things you deny.Look it up.
Nessakeepsitreal517 8 months ago
@Nessakeepsitreal517 that's convenient,Because Hitler (& others) may be complete douche bags & say they are religious,then other religious folk claim "oh that's because they are faking it etc" so were the 9/11 terrorists real Muslims ? or just fakers? how about the crusades? or the IDF? or the spanish inquisitions? or the 1000s & 1000s of other atrocities comitted in the name of a faith? I`ve my belief in NON belief "there are no GOD/S" & that religion is a BIG cause of what you call Evil..Cont
paulspydar 8 months ago
@paulspydar North Korea is an atheistic state. Let's go talk to Kim Jong il because that is the paradise society to live in. LOL you can pick out retards on both sides of the coin theists or atheists. As far as politicians and leaders go, they play to whatever the herd of people will move atheist or theist to suit there needs.
Let's talk about the other ism's that have caused atrocities world wide. Nationalism/Patriatism (WW1) (WW2)-
as far as 9/11 muslims- your eating propaganda
joelarnda 8 months ago
@Nessakeepsitreal517 How can you say that being an Atheist means that you have nothing to fight for? and that they are not interested in Peace on earth? that's just such a sweeping generalization which I don't see how you can back up with check-able facts, but I may be wrong? so please enlighten all here that are interested in them.
paulspydar 8 months ago
@paulspydar 9/11 is a direct result of globalism. The mideast has been ravaged and kept unstable for well over a 100 years for its oil, poppy fields, and other resources by internationalists. You only hear what the news tells you (which is propaganda to scapegoat and provide cover for those perpetrating the atrocities) and build your world view from there which is ignorant.
Do you honestly beleive everything you hear about the terrorists? Watch some WW2 propaganda films sometime-
joelarnda 8 months ago
@3:27 It doesn't matter if you are an atheist or believe in a religion. If your an evil bastard, your and evil bastard. Your numbers say nothing. What are they based on??
Let everyone believe what they want. Only one rule applies to me and yes it's in the bible but i'm not religious.
Do not do to others what you would not like to be done to you.
sticky170 11 months ago
@sticky170
The numbers do say something, they just don't prove a thing but that which you said.
And yes, let everyone believe what they want but also inform them when those beliefs are either unfounded or even wrong, especially when they are potentially harmful and ridicule them if possible.
Quintinohthree 11 months ago
@sticky170 The ancient Egyptians were most likely the first to write down the "golden rule", and it was definately long before the Bible wrote any such thing. It can also be found in traditional African religions, Buddhism, various forms of Paganism, Confucianism, Greek secular philosophy, and a plethora of other sources that have nothing to do with the Bible. Once again Christianity gets special recognition for what is just universal sense. Please watch: Atheists SECRETLY believe in Yahweh.
incomprehensible14 11 months ago
A theist brought up a good point to me. She said that there are special programs in prisons that Christians get to benefit from, so some atheists claim to be Christian in order to get those benefits. For the record, I'm an atheist.
BRADizKING 11 months ago
@BRADizKING
You're referring to the prison statistics right? Those are entry statistics, or at least that's what I heard. They probably don't know about those programs when they get into prison for the first time. Secondly there's no reason for them to lie on the entry survey, they can lie once they're inside.
I may be wrong though.
Quintinohthree 11 months ago
@Quintinohthree Another good question: How many of these "born again" prisoners become repeat offenders? This theist told me that most criminals are atheist, and they all convert while they were in prison. I asked him to profuce a source for his claim, and to also produce a source that shows how many of them were repeat offenders, and he went all "Agent Smith" on me:D
incomprehensible14 11 months ago
@incomprehensible14
Theists blaming atheists for what they don't do, theists unable to come up with evidence and going crazy when asked to provide, theists making false statements, that sounds believable.
But yeah, I wonder how many do repeat.
Oh, while we're at it, anyone should watch?v=O0CEeFzUV7w
It's about prison ministries and "creaming data".
Quintinohthree 11 months ago
Why did you just reread everything Richard Dawkins has said? Show some creative views of your own
kinofrohan 11 months ago
The list at 4:46 makes me proud to be swedish
rugbyanden 1 year ago
bad anology: wikipedia - "It is important to keep keep four or more, not in pairs, since aggression among them is common, not allowing the weaker fish to survive, and is distributed more widely when kept in larger groups. It is not rare to find individuals with one eye missing due to a previous attack. Piranhas are likely to become cannibalistic on others in their group if underfed".
Jeffgothro 1 year ago
@Jeffgothro
Would you not eat someone else if you had nothing else to eat?
Quintinohthree 1 year ago
fantastc vid
TheHitCollective 1 year ago
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CannibalShinobi 1 year ago
i used to be all fucked up on drugs, and now i'm all fucked up on jesus
chickinstompin 1 year ago
it pretty much depends on what your parents, grandparents,grandgrandparents believe in. Most of the time.
brizihe 1 year ago
*ping* thats the sound of the nail being hit right on the head. great video.
Willybird37 1 year ago
I don't understand why Christians only say atheists can't be moral but don't say the same about people of other religions (e.g. Muslims, Hindus, etc.). Do they believe false gods can somehow make people more moral than people who worship no god at all? Somebody please explain this to me.
gupsphoo 1 year ago
Baby sandwiches,who would have thought it?This is a great way to discipline a child.Parent to child; if you don't behave I'm going to make a sandwich out of you.
loulou2lou 1 year ago
The 10 commandmends are NOT the only laws in the bible. They are stated as the most important ones, yes. But never thought about where the idea comes from that you shouldn't lay with another man? Other laws are in the book and they are horrendous.
From killing your kid cause he didn't listen to telling how to beat up your slave. That book has absolutely NO use in telling anyone how to behave to someone else. It would be the end of the world if christians would actually follow those laws
Shangori 1 year ago
islam is a mental disorder not a religion.
hatelibs1 1 year ago
@hatelibs1 Religion is a mental disorder, all religions are sub-classifications thereof.
Oicurmtoyoy 1 year ago 23
@Oicurmtoyoy I hear this claim a lot. It's easy to say, but I have yet to see a really good, reasoned argument for this blanket statement.
iridescentsquids 10 months ago
@Oicurmtoyoy Did you come up with that all by yourself?
flippyflappy1 8 months ago
well come now people, i dont think all christians are going to become the next hitler or cause the next 9/11 xD other than that, this guy makes some good points
joshwithguitarinhand 1 year ago
the ten commandments do talk about rape. it's in thoult shall not commit adultery
youkeylaylee 1 year ago
@youkeylaylee Adultery is sleeping with someone who is not your WIFE. Not the same as rape, not by a longshot.
myoung2484 9 months ago
@myoung2484 rape goes into the category of adultery.
youkeylaylee 9 months ago
I don't believe in Mother Goose...so I don't believe in Jesus.
alyshooting 1 year ago
Good video. Proves a point. This is why I'm an atheist.
alyshooting 1 year ago
@compsciguy if ur smart ur definitely an atheist.
joseph stlain and adolf hitler? mao and po plot? Marques de Sade and Marilyn Manson? they wr all humans.... oh wot does that mean.... all humans are like them??
: )
maxq76668 1 year ago
Eisntein was not an atheist. Just so you know. And neither was Charles Darwin. And ppl in prisons become beleivers because some are on death row, and they are afraid of death. And finally, is atheism the ONLY logica way to live your life? Can't there be another way? Why does everyone have to an atheist in order to be smart?
compsciguy 1 year ago
@compsciguy
You show your pig-ignorance. Charles Darwin was certainly and Atheist. If Einstein was anything he was a deist - which rules out all religions - inlcluding yours. Also, Hitler was a Catholic and he was celebrated by the Pope for his anti-semitist remarks in Mein Kampf. Stalin and Pot did not kill in the name of atheism. Hitler was a vegetarian with a moustach - he did not kill in the name of vegetarianism or people with moustaches.
Do you get is you silly non-thinker?
FranklyLate 1 year ago
@compsciguy Exactly. Thank u.
Nessakeepsitreal517 8 months ago
One can pray, one can worship whatever one wants, I have nothing against it as long as you keep it away from public life. Politics and social issues should not be dealt with from religious point of view.
Dragsliv 1 year ago
Religion never should've been invented. All it's done is cause too mamy problems.
ChinnuWoW 1 year ago
@ChinnuWoW
What about Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hilter, Po Plot, Marx, Mao, Marques de Sade, Mariln Manson? They are evil and they do NOT BELIEVE in religion. The world would still have problems. And if religion wasn't invented, what would ppl say they came from? Evoltuion? Darwin wasn't alive when religion was invented. Sorry.
compsciguy 1 year ago
Others don't know much about Atheism because they all have the "If you don't believe what I do then you are wrong" syndrome. I think it's funny that we have researched their religion, but they will NEVER step out of their bubble and read about anything other then what they believe is right or admit that there is more to life then "God". It's sad to me that they are so ignorant, they have no clue what its like to actually live....not follow as a sheep, but live.
kkristiekevin 1 year ago
@kkristiekevin
If it's so sad for you, then why don't you do something about it? Call the cops. Seriously.
compsciguy 1 year ago
I would not use the prison argument for several reasons. We don't know the religious affiliation of a significant percent of the prison population since the surveys give the option of not answering that question. We don't have stats on the types of crime committed by each group. We don't have any stats on the mental illness rates of each group. We don't have any stats on false convictions. We also don't have any information on their behavior while in prison.
KingOfMadCows 1 year ago
@KingOfMadCows “We don't have any stats on the mental illness rates of each group.”
I believe that we should have stats on Christian in teaching professionals. Very concerned that someone who believes of supernatural beings in their head shouldn’t be around young people. Plus christians have a long run of child abuse – catholic priests – jesus camp – ‘living a lie’ church goers like George Alan Rekers & Ted Haggard – I wouldn’t trust my child within 100 miles near those sick sados
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
@TheFireHorseUK
Then call the cops if you are concerned for chidlren's safety. Stop whining.
compsciguy 1 year ago
@compsciguy - protection of children isn't whining, only people who have sick thoughts of paedophilia would say something like that, get close to target. To protect people, you remove the cause of how they can be contaminated or violated - in this case you remove religion and religious people from areas where they are involved with children. Don’t waste valuable police time when protection of children can be easy done by any authority that has an interest of it’s community.
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
Hitler was catholic.
mrpancaek 1 year ago
@mrpancaek What's you're point? I'm all for smacking down religion just as much as the next atheist but just because one person believed in something doesn't mean that everyone else who also believes in that acts and thinks the same way as the first person.
Darwin was sexist. Does that mean that everyone who believes in evolution is sexist too? Of course not.
MovieFinatic456 1 year ago
@MovieFinatic456 Nono you miss my point completely, I wrote that comment at the part of the video when he said Hitler was a famous atheist mass murderer (and it does seem to be fairly widely believed knowledge)
mrpancaek 1 year ago
@mrpancaek Ah I see. Well my comment pretty much still stands. Though, for the most part I'm pretty sure that Hitler was a Catholic too. Doesn't he mention God or at the very least a "Creator" in his book?
MovieFinatic456 1 year ago
@MovieFinatic456 " Though, for the most part I'm pretty sure that Hitler was a Catholic too. Doesn't he mention God or at the very least a "Creator" in his book?"
You are correct on both counts – He is a good example of why we should Christians out of politics and out of areas of education. They just can’t be trusted to work for the benefit of the human race. They only have self interest in-mind, as do all religious groups. They use fear, torture and motional blackmail to control.
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
@TheFireHorseUK I agree with you for the most part. But remember, there are the more moderate Christians (my mom is one of them) who really don't believe in the Bible as