Final Cut Pro - Better slow motion with Motion 3 optical flow retiming roundtrip

[VisualRazo]

geez!!!! this gentleman must try a bit harder next tym

[CODMW2CRACKS]

ur voice sounds like jd from scrubs :)

[MrNicolas411]

dos it work with final cut pro x?

[niddproductions]

@MrNicolas411 Yes it does, but it can only be done on the newest Motion available in the App Store.

[JahminLerum]

Thanks...now time to test how far I can push it with surfing footage!

[thedoctor6666666666]

lol moation 3

[trailerfitter2]

thanks very helpful when I couldn't remember where the button was to start the optical flow analysis.. cheers!!

[miles192]

thanks for the tutorial. geta better clip nxt time



[redtimmy]

This was exceedingly useful. Thanks for posting it.

[ouchmycrank]

Would you PLEASE redo this video and do all the steps in the correct order? It's very confusing and frustrating as it is. Thanks.

[UptownMillionaire]

there is a red flash everytime i add a video to final cut... do you know how can i get rid of it...

[Janke95]

Does motion 2 have optical flow, or something like it?

[Absolutelytruelies]

Yeah I cant find it on motion 2

is it there?

[Janke95]

@Absolutelytruelies I don't think is, everywhere I've checked says to use motion 3 or 4. This sucks.

[jasonpetermuir1]

yeah I had a black frame so i deleted the FCP clip from the time line, dragged down from bin and started again and it appeared .... Motion kinda feels klunky to me - Im going to try AFX or .. god forbidding buy twixtor....for slo mo's anyway

[snailsDingo]

blablabla

[jacksonisawesomeful]

after effects time remapping is better

[MrBabinoz]

@jacksonisawesomeful this is two years old, motion 4 is amazing!

[BDLang464]

@jacksonisawesomeful Not if you consider rim warping.

[phoebus1966]

Slomo tutorial that is... besides, if u like it or not, there's no message in 27min analyzing time for 14sec of optical flow-ed material. An absolute bummer in the first minutes of your tutorial video edit to start off with.

Just like movie editors care must be taken of flow and timing according to the attention curve of the audience.

[westmon]

You helped me. Thanks!

[NebraskasWallpaper]

Son, you know your stuff!

[aussienerds]

I agree that He could have presented it a bit better and more quickly, but all he's trying to do is help you guys. I was probably just speaking a lot to make the video as extensive as possible for beginners alike. But yeah, he could have played the results in full speed. Stop being so selfish and ignorant people.

[aussienerds]

@aussienerds *He* was probably just speaking... (made a mistake)

[ARTISTICLYSTUPID]

this video gave me such a headache....you open to many stuff around

[nomankhalidbutt]

fucker... u wasted so much time and no fuckin results... bad time waster mother fucker

[dannnnn12345]

Why wouldnt you show the result!?!

[jedwards123321]

To paraphrase ComicBookGuy, "Worst video ever." You need to LEAD OFF with a side by side comparison of a decent shot with & without the use of Motion3 so viewers know where the hell you're going and whether or not we want to invest 14 minutes. Turns out I didn't -- at least not for this video. Someone needs some basic presentation training. :-(

[prinproductions]

dud judt waststed 14 min of my life.... i could have been masturbating

[skymir73]

so much of bla-bla-bah!!!

[ObamaJoker]

I am trying to figure out how to use this to fill a blank space on the timeline between two video clips without interfering with either side. How do I make the clip stretch between the two clips (point-to-point/ time-code to time-code) accurately without messing around too much? The slowed down motion clip seems to stay the same length no matter what I change in the settings.

Thanks

[mexus37]

check out this video made with Motion: youtube.com/watch?v=oSs4m54RyK­A

[SKarsteinX]

bad quality

[primatezoo]

Good explanation. But couldn't you have used a better example for slow mo and at least have shown it full screen in real time so we could see what you were talking about? All that time (15min) and we don't even get a good view of the result! Otherwise good explanation, but give a close up or show the result in comparison at full screen. Thanks

[kjakur]

What about the sound? How can I make it slow-mo? Soundtrack pro?

[onjoFilms]

@kjakur Use Audacity for sound slowing.

[moonspirit1]

I appreciate all the extra side explanations (to help me get my head around Motion and the overall workflow better)

[xxicubusxx]

I'm pretty new to the whole video editing world so question: is there a faster way? Is this typical for video editing? I mean, I'm running the iMac 27' i7 8GB and it's taking forever for a short clip.

BTW: thank you for the video. It helped a lot

[brutewolf]

Your tutorial is potentially great, but ultimately a mess. So what was the problem...that you didn't reduce the speed to 50% or that you were supposed to double the number of frames; that you had to deinterlace and reinterlace or that you imported SD video with the wrong compression. Huh? What? It's so close to being a great tutorial. Could you at least list a corrected workflow in the notes section? I'd love to learn this.

[ciuranatv]

WTF with this tutorial? how the videos see in normal speed???????? Where TF we have to retime once you have the motion flow?????? in FCP or Motion?? kinda uncomplete don´t you think?

[superfamouskids]

lol is it necessary for your videos to be this long

[TommyProCam]

At 8:27 you talk about project properties and changing the duration of your clip. Can you explain that a little better? My 10 second clip is being slowed to 40%. Do I have to figure out how long that will be or can I just say it's going to be about 25 seconds? In other words, how forgiving is that number for people with bad math skills?

[krissdarko]

Hey Johneeee , how good a film maker can you be if you HATE computers so much?

You only have to read your last comment to see how little you know about Film making. Stop picking ur nose and don't be a hater!

[Phantom777777777]

Does final cut work on vista?

[jobblas]

@Phantom777777777 I believe Final Cut only works on mac O.S.

[Phantom777777777]

@jobblas Okey, then I gotto get another program then ;) thanks for aswer

[alfonsotan]

Thanks for this... way better than everything else I've tried.

[CARNAGeSn1ping]

how do you slow motion with audio synced to it because i'm having problems with that

[MrBerkley]

Too many words, boring video tutorial :(

[nakedvolleyball]

@MrBerkley Interesting how words seem so necessary sometimes, when they aren't.. All it takes is a special look from a stranger.

[DicasdePilotagem]

Dear,

If I'm editing Final Cut with 30fps and I use Motion3 to 50% slow motion of a 60fps original clip... does it performe better slow motion than a original 30fps ?

[tomes55moon]

so I'm guessing that if I want to slow it down to only 75%, I wouldn't double the amount of frames, but just add half the amount I already have? I should I just double the frames anyway to be safe? Thanks

[abedkh]

Not bad, but i think its totally not worth the 27 minute waiting time, save up and buy a slow-mo camera if you are into serious slow motion

[vid828]

@abedkh - idiot

[project419]

@abedkh you know i was thinking the same thing. i will save up. what kind of software do you use bro.

[mudcatproductions]

This video was very helpful. Pro Video School is awesome, and very helpful! If anyone needs to view another tutorial on slow motion "optical flow" please watch my tutorial. I hope it helps!

[portraitpixels]

You work is really really inspirational. Thank you for spending the time on this.

[TheCastaway15]

whats better final cut?? or sony vegas pro 9???

[ArmyOfGamerZ]

@TheCastaway15 Final Cut.

[ybot321]

FINAL CUT is deffo better

[s1dnac1t]

final cut, way more powerfull

[CodShotz]

you can download both for free :p

[Marillionmad]

@TheCastaway15 final cut all the way

[nnavish]

@TheCastaway15 adobe after effects for slow motion and sony vegas fo editing...

[johneeeee]

I mean listen to this guy, he sounds like he loves computers and can take one apart and fix it.

[kicosmaria]

So... where´s the problem?

[johneeeee]

This shit looks impossible. Who the fuck would want to learn all this impossible to learn stuff.  I have been using Final Cut Pro for 10 years and am an expert using it, but I HATE learning any new software. I hate computers, I am not a computer persona nd never want to have to learn special effects, I hate the idea of it and never will. I am an actor, singer and filmmaker, not a fucking computer genius. For God's sake, this stuff looks impossible.

[provideoschool]

@johneeeee I have to say - this comment was hilarious.

[onjoFilms]

@provideoschool I like a good belly laugh before I start my day, and this was it, lol.

[WiiMandDK]

@provideoschool Me 2.

[k4rb0n3]

@provideoschool

but its true

[onjoFilms]

@provideoschool I got to say, this is the third time coming across this comment and I always break up laughing. Too funny.

[junkerde]

@provideoschool thats because it wasnt meant to be taken serious like most people thought lol

[busterr1]

When I right clicked in fcp and motion opened the sub-clip didn't open in motion just a black screen.. Help

[dantasimagem]

@busterr1

In FC select the sequence you want to send to Motion... That should do...

[CodGamingCenter]

@johneeeee wat? r u trippin on acid?

[VGMaven]

@johneeeee hey go fuck yourself u slimy littlle spit fuck learning special effects is amazing and fun if u dont lk it then dont comment about it so seriously u should just go take a knife and run into it, go do something drastically stupid tht u would die, go underground and live lk a fuckin mole rat so nobody would have to see or be petrified by the thought of u. U should b erased from existence u are going to b on a list of pple who dont deserve to live. goodbye. lmao lol rotfl jking jking

[nakedvolleyball]

@VGMaven Oops, I guess someone got their little feelings hurt by a comment. Some little pigtailed girly I'm guessing...how adorable.

[metalland27]

@johneeeee

By far the funniest comment I've seen recently !!! HAHAHAHAHAA

[alienorange]

@johneeeee that's why some of the best film editors still stick with their original techniques, whether it be old software or doing it by hand. It's what they're familiar with.They pretty much express the exact same thing you did :)

[ftb2ufogaming4444]

@johneeeee

2bad we dont care lol

[cuteboi16]

@johneeeee hahahahaha it does look impossible

[JacobStupify3]

@johneeeee lol u r a dumbass, "not a fucking computer genius" well u kinda are if u r an expert at fcp of 10 years

[ChadWork1]

@johneeeee Maybe stick to acting with the other children. Leave the thinking to the adults.

[calvinclaus]

This is a method for people who do hollywood films, and not for youtubers...If you do this 3 Times one TB hardrive is gone, and this is not accepteble for private people.

[sclogse1]

If you shoot with a canon 5D Mark II, the film is in quicktime (mac), and if you have quicktime pro, (then you can always copy frames and paste them next to the copied frame to slow down the film...and it stays in quicktime mode, and you never have to deal with hard drive space problems, or render times. In fact, if you can add audio later, you can edit a whole film using quicktime and get everything done almost real time. Pasting audio in later is very easy.

[Ryudiolf]

how much frames you copied for this effect? what is the main idea of this method?

[Tmantwist]

the method is to create frames based on the previous frame and the following frame... without using this method the slow motion is choppy and blurry

[DRNKxUTUBE]

im 13 and i now more then him i edit mw 2 montages yes preety gay but i get microsofe points final cut pro is so easy to hack

[ElaioTV]

can you tell me how you cracked it?

[EnvyMyPower]

@DRNKxUTUBE u r an idiot

[UrFavoriteWhiteboy]

@DRNKxUTUBE LOL.. how sad...

[LuLu1198]

Do you also have vids. for Final Cut Express 4?

[kncheilbronn]

very helpful! thank you very much :)

[HC3]

Really? Your not going to play the results at the end?

[ALNUDN]

thank u dude so much. but my only used 5 min. and i got the same mac as u but 4 gig ram

[NamesED]

such an old mac int hat tut

[OurSteelo]

THANK YOU!!

[mateuszmlynarczyk]

this method sucks so much. 3 and half minute and 200gb isn't enough.

[CaptainVideo890]

You wish it only took three and a half minutes.

[Cakeman545]

Let me make sure u know that was sarcasm... I'm talking about Final Cut, not Moviemaker... anyways, what I'm saying is that at some point final cut used to cost 2k and that's when I bought it, now it costs 1300... But now that I think about it, I think it's always been 1300... aargh confusion now I can't remember at all

[Cakeman545]

lol yeah cuz movie maker costs $1300. (FCS was $2000 when i bought it...)

[Kelnosha]

you spend that much on it? wow. What do you do?

[Cakeman545]

oops i just replied to ur comment but I accidentally commented on the video instead of actually replying... just look for it

[Kelnosha]

lol. that's alright. I spent 600 for it. student discount.

[macgameworkarounds]

fail

[tannerfilmsalot]

Just get Adobe After Effects and use that to ramp your slomos, or just regular slomos. Then just render into whatever you want it in.

[Kelnosha]

I wonder if they used Motion for Matrix lol.

[Cakeman545]

yeah lol that wouldn't have worked. just in case u didn't know they had like a room full of still cameras in sequence so that they could do slow motion and unreal spinny-around-the-set effects

[SkateMusicLife64]

dude final cut is 1300!!! used by PROS!!!

[hometownheros34]

It's a great program for the price i think. Mac's equivalent to movie maker would be iMovie

[tyguywow]

imovie is a lot better though

[hometownheros34]

for sure

[Kelnosha]

your kidding me right? FCP is WAY better. You can do so much more.

[screammachineman]

Optical reflow uses an algorithm similar to a morphing transition seen in cheezy house commercials to showcase the houses to create the extra "frames" that you're seeing. Also this effect is seen on pictures when people morph into other ppl. The effect of Optical Flow is best on objects that can be clearly separated from the background (constant background) otherwise the morphing is more apparent.

[apodo360]

does Premier has the same problems?

[FranklinHSVideo]

I usually just export the clips in Compressor and adjust the speed there using the frame controls. You get the same effect.

[scotto2114]

when i right click on the clip. it doesnt have the option of anything you have. like send to.???

[liamleahy]

so can you put all your to-be-retimed clips in a render cue? It sounds crazy time intensive, and it would be handy to just get it all done while I sleep or whatever.

[ScottRoseVideo]

Haha! I would hope so.

[amazire1970]

it very interesting leçon but i want learning by frensh languague its my second languague

[yaknbo]

Thank you. At least, before another viewing, I know and understand optical flow, know about how long the rendering can be and even that I can do this in Motion.

[Devonlamb]

do you double the the ting after you already went threw optical flow?

[kainirmo]

Does it still take a long time to render out from Motion 3 if the clip is just standart NTSC DV footage?

[Craftonia]

Oh, and then RENDER back to the original framerate and reimport the clip.

[Craftonia]

When you cut the speed to 50% you should then cut the framerate in half and every NLE stops producing the ghost frames. ex:24 fps dropped to .500 speed should then be taken down to 12 fps. No ghosting. Somwwhat jerky...which can then be smoothed out by INCREASING the framerate for the clip one/two frames at a time.

[Maxie0000007]

Can u speak english please cuase u dont want choppy slow mos

[SpikesProduction]

have you ever considered Shake 4.1?

its really useful & in my opinion...optical flow is amazingly easier than motion 3 & less rendering time(in some ways)

check it out

:D

[provideoschool]

I lol'd when I read this. Yes I have Shake 4.1 and yeah I've used optical flow in here before Motion 3 came out and there is no way in heck that one can argue that it's easier to use than Motion 3 - especially when you consider interlaced footage and Shake's general weirdness when dealing with interlacing.

[SpikesProduction]

yeaaa shake is quite weird but we're all different...i just use shake alot more becuz im not a fan of the rendering time within motion3

dont get me wrong motion3 is quite superior...its just that i grew around shake more often

:)

[kwal0992]

i kinda agree with this spikes guy

shake is a nice program to use once u understand the node-based interface, if you grow around the Final Cut way of doing things it might seem really foreign to transition to shake, but that doesn't make it harder than Motion, just different.

[DirectedBySteve]

52 hours baby :(

[provideoschool]

See my reply to walkman's comment below - it is possible that your source clip is large and motion is looking at the entire source footage to slow down - not just the part of the clip you're looking at in the motion window. This is one major limitation of Motion - but the workaround is to render out just the portion of the clip that you need to retime before bringing it into Motion.

[DirectedBySteve]

Thanks PVS, I'll look into it.

I'm running a G5 Quad with 4gb Ram. I'm trying to slow down 2sec's of footage to 5%

[walkman29]

When I go to do this to a clip that is clearly no more than 20 frames, it says something like 16000 frames to render

Why?

[provideoschool]

It's because while the clip may have in and out points that make it only 20 seconds on the timeline - the source media is still a lot larger. Motion 3 will always process the entire clip's source media (so say if you capture a whole one hour DV tape - it will look at ALL frames of that 1 hour clip - not just the in and out points).

I know - it is a huge drawback. You need to re-render the clip out with the In and Out points you want to use and THEN bring it back into FCP.

[walkman29]

Thanks!

[albaton]

how do I exactly re-render a clip out?

Usually I go all the way to the media manager and create a new project with on the sequence Im editing. Wich is a bit of a burden, since it creates dupes of the caputred media.

[MrSherrifff]

thanks alot, this helped alot

[mhgrover]

All I have under timing is: In, Out, and Duration. Absolutely nothing else. Is there something I need to do to show all the other dropdowns and settings?

[mrwashur1991]

you shouldve played the clips fit to window also...

[drshabizzo]

you wouldn't have seen any difference on fit to window with youtube

[smartnaimat]

plzzzzzzzzz tell me can i use motion3 on pc windows xp?

[bustercloud288]

unfortunately, no. Motion is apple program that comes with the final cut studio 2 package

[funtube99999]

It's from Apple so it works only with Apple software

[marshmelow]

hmmm I have 4 gigs of ram.

[marshmelow]

I have a question. I have FCS2 with motion 3. I cannot have FCP 6 running at the same time Motion 3 is and vice versa. The problem I found was that the heliumframework has to be removed for FCP to work and then I have to add heliumframework back in in order to run motion, but then FCP won't luanch. Any suggestions?

[zadizzzle]

It might be your RAM.