War for Occupied Cisalpine Gaul: Byzantine Roman Empire versus Langobard Nation

[340098]

Longobardi Bastardiii!!!

Dalla Germania viene fuori soltanto MERDA e basta!!!!

La Nouvelle Gaule è Terra Gallo Celtica e non Germanica capito!!!

[Burdissimo]

So, I hope sincerely - and without pretending to be better than someone else - that people like you, who want to protect their "roots" will find answers in a deep and conscious study of History, i na progressive and comprehensive way. Roots are not a politic propaganda Pamle1. Think how to protect your actual identity, wich is the only one you have, exactly like me. (...)

[Burdissimo]

I'm tuscan, but I live in 2009, not in 700 b.C, i'm not etruscan. My roots are complex and it took centuries to get where I am now, where my life is. I want a better place to live like you. Believe me. Protect what's yours, not what some politics tells you. Gaules and Langobards lived here many centuries ago, there were not the only ones. Think about this.

Have a nice day

[Burdissimo]

I really don't understand how some people chose their roots so selectively cutting out a piece of the italian penhinsula's history and filling it with conteporary contents to get an anachronistic and personally shaped image of their land's past.

Dear God, if you are listenig, please make burn all Martinelli's Barbarossa copies around the world before someone begins to think that's a true history and not a Tolkien's novel.

I'm begging you please.

[pamle1]

Ohh, of course! Because you want things to just continue in this unsustainable and rootless direction.

[Burdissimo]

Show me where's the relation between your comment and mine. As far I see, you are transfering something happened in the V century in the present just to find some roots worth being remembered as "your" roots.

So, likely to what you say, I could choose my roots in the XVII century ignoring what have been there before just to feel myself more "rooted" in the past of my country. That's using history to protect you from the fear of a new era. nothing more nothing less.

[pamle1]

Lets use Lombardia as one possible example. The Romans marched in and outlawed their sovereignty, outlawed their language, outlawed their religion, and outlawed their culture. Too long ago for you? Well lets take it right up to 1860. The Romans are back again! They outlawed their sovereignty, outlawed their language, outlawed their religion (Ambrosian Rite), outlawed their borders, and outlawed their culture. Now maybe it's time to outlaw YOU for a change...??

[Burdissimo]

All right. There are some holes in your perception of time and I would like to fill them. But before I do this, I sincerely would like to tell you that the past, the "roots" (as I feel you like this word), are not a concept you can take out of the historic process as a defined and suitable with your actual historic context. So, the horrible romans that attacked and sbmitted the gaules, the etruscans (my "roots"), and other groups among Europe (but we could expand it to Asia and Africa) (...)

[Burdissimo]

(...) were - for many reasons - the ones who expanded themsellves to Europe including the other cultures into thir culture and founding european common ground which is made form shared cultures from various groups (Etruscans, Ligurs, Gaules, Ibers among others). Obviously violence and war were part of expansion, but after this there camed a structurated society where Roman Gaules had the same dignity and power of Rome romans. Romans were europeans, not Rome inhabitants. (...)

[Burdissimo]

(...) Said this, I want to bring you back to Alboin's campaign in Italy (568 b.C). Langobards weren't also invasors (accourding to your description of romans outlawing in north italian peninsula)? They fought against romans (byzantian considered themself romans). But after it langobards used the roman laws. Weren't they outlawing as the romans? (...)

[Burdissimo]

(...) Entire Europe was founded on roman grounds, and on these ground many groups have born: Francs, Germans tribes, Galicians, Goths, Anglo-Saxons, Normans, Slavian tribes, Romanians and more. From these people Europe has born and developed herself on roman and christian homogeneous grounds. (...)

[Burdissimo]

(...) So - let's take a step forward - the North Italy Comunes and "free" cities existence is part of a bigger and wider social constrution process. Likely to EVERY other country in Europe which were controlled and comanded by militar oligarchy, north Italy cities behaved differently depending on the cahnging context. Austrians were occupiers, French were occupiers, Piamontaise were occupiers...untill 1860, when Italy born as a complex system of identities.

[pamle1]

"Roman usurpers" rose up & destroyed the Etruscans. They destroyed virtually everything that was Etruria, including the architecture. They stole the technology & used it to build a new universalist-capitalist-style empire. The Etruscans & Gauls fought together against the Romans. Did you know that the Runes were actually Etruscan in origin? Another cultural construct which the Roman demolished, but was able to survive in other lands which they had traded with. You should be joining up with us!!

[Burdissimo]

I've borned tuscan, I'm swiss, I live in Catalonia (Spain is a different context as the italian) and I see everywhere many beautiful traditions wich shouldn't generate a fight but a common sense based on our common historic and cultural grounds. I regret to use the past as a political mean. I study history and antropology and I find my answers researching them. I still respect every other point of wiew, but sincerely I can not share your ideas and anachronistic purposes.

[Burdissimo]

As I know, your roots were builded by INVASORS, so please get rid of it: history isn't a Tolkien novel.

[AlpineWinter]

Our Fathers.

[davidrix79]

PROUD TO BE LOMBARD:see martinelli's BARBAROSSA film trailer:lombard defeat all german emperoror:since we have memory,lombards has always been free!

[pamle1]

I'm looking forward to that movie.

[Burdissimo]

Fridericus I actually came down to make the Lombards stop killing each other for power.

[ME109Ace]

I don't like the music, something more epic would have been better.

[pamle1]

I think some scenes worked, others not as well as I had hoped.

[112chiaveful]

We are proud lombards!!!