These people are brain-dead, heartless and soul-less. But never mind, what goes around comes around, so have a nice life while you can, because in the next one, with a bit if luck you'll come back as a dog or cat. Karma.....
Wanted to know what men would do if animals didn’t exist. On whom would they discharge their anger and what kind of meat would they eat… Surely they would kill one another and eat human meat.
Fear factors too. This is insane. This is disgusting. And we're supposed to be human not animals! I wish I could bring all the dogs home for a good quality of life with true love and freedom. Tonight I won't sleep, I'm gutted . But will sign petitions to make this stop
Don't worry, there's lots of space waiting for these murderers in hell, and long may they all rot there. Noting but a race of barbaric, sadistic savages who keep on excusing their brutal and cruel behaviour and treatment towards cats and dogs as 'tradition' and 'culture' Its not about understanding, its their blatant and wanton cruelty that civilised, decent, caring people object to.
Wt.. if it were not a dog but a pig, you would say this method is wrong? What is the rightful method you think? Walk on the red carpet to hotel airplane? That animals are livestock. Not a cute puppy in your house.
@aisch1212 - yes, no matter what animal is involved, this is totally unacceptable. Just because an animal is labelled livestock by humans does not justify its abuse and torture. However, in the case of dogs, the Korean government has yet to properly classify them as livestock and purposefully keeps the issue of dog farming and processing in a legal limbo. Also, many pets end up as dog meat in Korea, including cute puppies. Cruelty cannot be justified by labels or tradition or anything else.
Fuck that shit man the point is that those piece of shit mutha fuckers are eating whats known to man kind as its Best Friend somthing that u grow old with ,as breakfast fuck that and any one thats with that !!!!
@leonquago What is sound about torturing an animal from its birth to death? I'm curious.
Cultural differences can never be used to condone animal abuse, be it abusing cattle, birds or pets.
Besides, Man domesticated the wolf way longer than the 2000 years you mention if you want to use numbers as an argument. And unless your culture is isolated from the rest of the world, culture evolves.
Are you sure you want to insist on sticking to what a given culture did 2000 years ago?
@securitylover If your problem is animal cruelty it also applies to the cows and pigs you eat in USA, not just to dogs eaten by Filipinos and other Asians.
The solution is to adopt humane tools. Not even the USA is doing that as machines slash the throat of their animals while semi conscious. There's no justification to ban eating dog meat just because some people think it's a cute animal. All animals are equal, it's a matter of choice. You don't own the world. Learn to respect other cultures.
@leonquago Yes, it applies to other animals as well. But the topic is dogs. There are channels where you can discuss animal abuse by category.
I'm not proposing a ban on dog meat because they're cute. From the day they're born to the day they die, their lives are saturated with horror & pain. No water is given to them, only rotten food. Crammed inside tiny cages. Then they're brutally killed. Taiwan banned dog meat because they realized it's impossible to humanely raise dogs for food. Learn.
@sec Regardless of what reason, being cute or anything, it's none of your business what kind of animals Filipinos and Aisans chose to eat.
Animal cruelty applies to all so why the unfairness. You can see on your own slaughter houses in USA how Cows, Pigs and Chickens are slashed by machine while semi conscious after electricity is intoduced to their bodies. So why not seek to ban cow? Honestly it sounds so funny when you say it's impossible to humanely raise dogs for food but not for pigs.
@leonquago I already said there are other channels to discuss cattle abuse. Animal advocates work hard to expose the cruel industry all over the world. No animal advocate I know claim it's possible to humanely raise pigs.
If you want to discuss zoo's and hunting, I'm expected to stick to them. It's called Netiquette to not to deviate from a topic.
And I doubt you'd give up dog eating if West gets rid of the battery cages.
I note that you and your buddies fail to comment on the dog torture.
@securitylo I already said I don't condone intentional torture of cows or dogs. But the method of slaughter reflects available tools. If there is a lethal injection in the Philippine and yet they use knife then I would not defend their method. As of now knife is the only tool available.
Now if you seek to ban eating beef for reasons of cruelty then I will rest my case. But if you seek to ban eating dog and not beef, you can't conveniently excuse yourself by saying there's other videos for cows.
@leonquago And I already said it's impossible to raise & kill these dogs in a humane way. Please describe this utopia.
No, I'm not trying to exclude beef consumption and I'm not singling out the dog. Ban on dog consumption can happen in a blink of an eye. The work to decrease beef & pork consumption needs a different approach. A ban on cattle? Yes, but not very realistic. But with dogs we're getting close. And just because we don't mention cows, it doesn't imply we condone the meat industry.
@sec Let' assume we humbly comply with your slaughter method and we slaughter our dogs in the same way you slaughter your cows.
You don't seek banning of cow for food for reasons 1. it's impossible to raise & kill dogs in a humane way. 2. we are getting closer in banning dog meat in Asia while we are farfetched in banning beef.
How is the same method of raising and slaughtering not "humane' for dogs but humane for cows?
Just because u can bully dog eaters doesn't justify discriminatory ban.
@leonquago Did you fail to absorb my text? Reread.
See, leonquago, it's not only about the slaughering method. Dogs need vaccination/medical attention, proper food, shelter, a minimum roaming area, taken out for a walk etc. And come slaughtering day, the death must be instant. You think it's feasible? You already know how much cows, pigs and hen suffer in spite of being heavily regulated by various "welfare" laws. You think greedy Asian men will comply to the laws & satisfy the animals' needs?
@sec Nothing to absorb, your point is very simplistic, looking at dogs from only one view point, the pet concept.
Let's narrow the issue. You contend "it's impossible to raise and slaughter dogs in a humane way because you have to vaccinate them etc." Don't you think it's funny?
If you can raise cows and pigs for slaugther in one way, why do you have to raise dog for slaughter in a much special way?
Unless you're fanatical, you know you're out of reason. Discriminatory ban is unjustifiable.
@securitylover I didn't miss your point. I just happened to have a different view from you. Nothing we can do about it. So the best you and your kind can do is leave us alone to chose our animal food free from ntimidation and humiliation from Westerners like SIRUS PETA and individual crusaders. If you push us too much too the wall time will come we will push you back, just like what happened in Vietnam.
The SIRUS instigated Criminal ban on dog eating in the Philippines is an act of treason.
@leonquago I am not american! I know they are a bossy bunch, but its nothing to do with that.. geography and culture aside! I do not agree with anyone torturing another person, or, creature that feels fear & pain!! this includes cows, pigs, chicken etc etc.. Torture is wrong!! I do respect different cultures, and respect the differences between us all, but the only thing I cant help but feel devastated about is torture like this.. I want to defend the dogs, its not their culture!!
All of you who want to _protect_ the dog abusing industry by saying chickens and turkeys suffer too, therefore you're not allowed to discuss dog torture ; A) It is possible to discuss one topic at a time, B) Where did you get the idea that we support drug dealing because we are against human trafficking?
Shallow arguments can be mentioned once. But please don't repeat them. It's embarrassing.
@sec Bottom line here is, Who do you think You Americans and Westerners are to lay down the standard of what is correct or wrong for Asian dog eaters? Were you elected by the world to be the judge? or did "God" grant you an authority to rule all of mankind?
In your doctrines Animals has rights. In ours, animals exist to sustain humans and they have no rights. To you it's wrong, but who are you to impose your beliefs on us. The world could be peaceful if only you know how to respect boundaries
@jitangoburka Still can't give up the West vs Asia thing? As inhabitants of the Earth, as World Citizens it is our duty and responsibility to strive for a better treatment of animals.
Animals have no voice, can't object to the harsh treatments, they feel pain and suffering the same way as you do. The objecting voice can only come from humans. And you want to silence that voice. You claim only humans have the right to feel no pain and horror.
You claim you have the right to abuse animals. Sicko.
@securitylover As inhabitants of the earth you have to respect the right of other people in their own territory. The only justification for intrusion is when humans are violated such as cannibalism and abortion, because as members of the human race you have some sort of an obligation to rescue fellow human.
If we allow intrusion just because some lunatcis think that animals are not butchered correctly then there will be no peace on earth as the littleast issue can result to confrontations.
@jitangoburka - Again, no one has a right to abuse and torture animals.
This isn't about politics, this is about morality, common sense and empathy. Reread.
Oh, you probably didn't know one of the cardinal symptoms of an individual turning into a sociopath or a psychopath is deliberate animal abuse. Studies have shown animal abusers are more likely to abuse humans as well.
Now who's the lunatic here: Those who are concerned with animal welfare or those who actively promote animal cruelty?
@securitylover And no one has the right to impose upon a free people. You remind me of a song "When will we ever learn?" written by Peter Paul and Mary as a reminder to the American people.
YOu have never learned to respect other cultures or beliefs when you see it not consistent with your own. You have caused too many troubles in the world already. When will you ever learn?
@jitangoburka Honestly, jitangoburka, I'm fed up with the never-ending America/West vs Asia nonsense which seems to be your single "argument" in this discussion, which really isn't an argument at all. I will continue this discussion only if you are willing to discuss the essence of the topic - dogs and torture. No sidetracking.
I did mention it already - I am not an American. I am Korean.
@se Hmm so you're Korean but you sound Whiter than the white. The Asian characterestics is to leave other people alone unless it affects them. You probably grew up in USA. And that's how American think, that if something is not right to their eyes they will try to correct it. But it resulted to so many deaths. They forced the Vietnamese to reject communism and looked what happened. They funded Marcos's anti Communist campaign butchering thousands of Filipinos. Just leave people alone
I've seen pictures of caged animals cramped like this in California Fulton Valley Farms. The only thing different is that what is inside aren't dogs but Chickens and Turkeys. Chickens feel pain too don't they? So why is it cruelty only if it involves dogs in Asia? Leave them alone, don't you have better things to do in life.
@joypoPHDsoan - you are correct in pointing out that squeezing animals in cages is cruel. But to then say we should ignore it is not an argument at all. It doesn't even make sense. You are saying we should ignore cruelty. This video is about dogs, not about chickens. You can find videos about chickens elsewhere. You might want to ignore reality because it is convenient to you, but we don't.
@AnimalRightsKorea Because whoever is founding your group is a racist. You must be American and you recruit Koreans to carry your flag. Why pick on Asians. I don't eat dog but my cousins do. YOu never care about chicken in USA and you are trying to shame us in Asia. YOu make us fight within ourselves. You don't ignore cruelty but start in your own home. Not in Asia.
I also fail to understand why you're not proud of the horrifying photos and media files that expose the animal abuse, traditional way, since it's part of the "culture"? If the cruelty isn't exposed, there will be no change. And yes, there are perpetual fights between pro-dog-meat people and those who care about animals. I'm satisfied to know the Dog Meat Festival in Seoul was canceled due to a "fight" between those groups. Let the fight continue.
@securitylover I don't know if you're Asian or not but look back how the French and the Americans fueled the Southern Vietnamese to kill their own northern brothers. Yeah you like them to pick a fight with each other so you can harvest the outcome of their blood. But in the end what happened?
The Northerners died a million death hit with Napalm etc. But ultimately the French and Americans abandoned their commitment and left the Southerns to be slaughtered by their own brothers. You can't supress
@joypoPHDsoan - why are you talking about America all the time? KARA is focused on Korea, not America. Haven't you even looked at the Korean KARA website? You will see KARA is located in Korea and run by Koreans. In fact, the Director of KARA is Lim Soonrye, the Korean movie director. For more information go ahead and contact the KARA office (which of course is located in Seoul, not in the US). Details are on the Korean website. If someone said KARA was founded in America, they lied to you.
@AnimalRights Because for all the wars fought in Asia there is always a white man behind. Now aren't you an American who is running this video to malign Koreans? Those Animal Groups like KARA has been heavily westernized. No decent Korean will have the audacity to condemn his forefathers culture without Western instigation. Yeah they appear to be Koreans but examine their policies and slogans. They sound so Westernized. Animals don't have rights under Asian doctrine. Only in USA and Europe.
@jitangoburka Please stop spreading disinformation. Go open a neutral history book and catch up some facts. And I suggest you turn off your computer device throw it away and use and eat nothing that is from the white man. Stop linking dog eating with irrelevant stuff. Your multiple anti-white-man posts are ridiculous and just weird, so disengaged from reality it's almost scary.
@jitangoburka - Asian doctrine? You mean lawless, backward and ignorant treatment of animals? There's nothing to proud of about that. You have to try and understand that animal protection is a worldwide issue. Country and cultural boundaries are irrelevant. So your conspiracy theories about the white man don't make sense. The strongest voices against dog eating are by ordinary Koreans who are proud of Korea and want to make it better. They do more for Korea than irrational Korean nationalists.
@Ani ha ha ha don't get carried away. Asian legal Doctrines treat animals as property within the owner's proprietary rights. The concept of animal rights is Americna European which you are trying to force on Asian legal systems.
And it's not conspiracy theory. North and south Vietnam were bound to unite but French and Americans like you instigated them to kill each other in the name of Democracy. Now you are pitting Koreans to fight against themselves by poisoning young minds that their culture
@jitangoburka You wrote : "Asian legal Doctrines treat animals as property within the owner's proprietary rights. The concept of animal rights is Americna European which you are trying to force on Asian legal systems" You're basically saying - "I don't care if we are cruel, I'm proud of being cruel, cruelty is part of our tradition so shut the hell up!" Scary.
You are a backward-minded person who fail to understand that a country can't exist without interacting with the rest of the world.
@AnimalRi Some people in USA come up with a silly idea and pushed for animal rights. Rights are earned by humans after they formed societies and social structures. Animals has not attain that level of intelligence to posses a right. Whatever they have depends on what humans grants them and in Asia they are not granted rights.
Soon you'll be lobbying for a Donkey right to Vote for Obama ha ha ha ha ha. Stupid.
@joypoPHDsoan - no, animal rights goes back to the ancient Greeks and beyond. However, it gained more prominence during the Enlightenment and especially in the UK during the 1800s. The modern animal rights movement also emerged in the UK and Europe. So people in the US didn't come up with the idea of animal rights all of a sudden. And humans only have self-serving rights they agree on. Once again, you failed in trying to play down animal cruelty while pushing your anti-American agenda.
@AnimalRightsKorea It was just a terminology not a legal principle. I challenge you to survey all Legal Systems in the world. None of them recognize animals rights and classify animals as within the proprietary right of it's owner.
Recently in New Zealand a dog owner barbecued his dog in his back yard challenging the law. The NZ supreme court ruled dogs are not endowed with rights.
@joypoPHDsoan - there are animal protection laws that give animals rights. But all of this rights talk is evading the issues of cruelty and suffering. Just because humans give themselves self-serving rights, doesn't mean they are universal and timeless. Humans just agree on rules and when society becomes more civilized, humans will agree on better rules for animals, as is already happening. The day will come soon when some animals will be recognized as persons.
@AnimalRig Well, as of now all fields of study, philosophy, theology, Social Science, Human Positive Law all agreed that animals are not endowed with the same inherent rights as humans. Universally accepted standards of right or wrong like the murder of innocent people justify intrusion to a country's internal affair, but chosing which animals are to be food and the manner of slaughter is within the respected domain of every nation and people and they are entitled to be left alone on their inter
@joypoPHDsoan - wait, now you're talking about inherent rights. That's entirely different. No animals have inherent rights, certainly not humans, who are just another kind of African ape. Of course, religious people will proclaim that humans have inherent rights, but that is based on beliefs for which there is no evidence. All institutions you mention differ in opinion and, like I said, change over time. People used to argue that black men were property, using the same words you are now.
@AnimalRights Not all blacks were considered property, only the slaves. There were free black men and royalties.
Anyways yeah change can happen but at this point all major standards from Philosophy, Sociology to Political Science classify humans to be higher from other animals and accorded human rights inherent in every being. Unless you succeed in Changing the world to equalize animals and humans, you still have to honor that principle. You still cannot equate human murder to dog killing.
@joypoPHDsoan - as I said, many different views exist within the institutions you mentioned. No one is suggesting to equalize animals with humans in the way you mean. They are saying to give animals consideration of their interests and that means not treating them cruelly as shown in the video. All this rights talk changes nothing about the fact that what is in the video is immoral and uncivilized and should be completely banned. You seem to evade talking on this issue by going off on tangents.
@AnimalRightsKorea Actually that's the contention. If dogs don't have the same rights than humans then you have no basis interfering with the internal affairs of another country. How they tranport, raise or butcher their dogs is their own business.
@joypoPHDsoan - that's nonsense. Anyone can speak up against cruelty no matter where they see it in the world. If you are saying people cannot criticize immoral and uncivilized behavior, maybe you'd be happier living in North Korea. It's a disgrace that you support and make excuses for cruelty. In addition, you assume I live outside of Korea. The organization I'm with is Korean, located in Seoul, and it has over 10,000 members who have every right to condemn the treatment of animals in Korea.
@AnimalRig Speaking and criticizing is one thing. But going to another country to middle in their internal affair is another. I'm not familiar with your situation in Korea. But if you are like SIRUS, PETA, etc. who come to the Phlippines, bribe our senators to criminalize our culture, organize protests calling our practices Barbaric and Uncivilized then you surely have trampled our right as a people.
@joypoPHDsoan - why are you talking about the Philippines? The video shown here, the name of this channel, and the group I'm in are all related to Korea. The things in the video are barbaric and uncivilized practices by people in Korea. Since it's just as bad in the Philippines, your practices are barbaric and uncivilized too--and illegal! According to your own country's law, you don't have any so-called right. Any place or person that supports cruelty to living things, deserves to be trampled.
@AnimalRightsKorea You have poor reading comprehension. I was using the Philippine situation as Guage. I'm familiar with it because I'm a Filipino American. Hence if what you did in Korea is the same as what those bastards Animals activists are doing in the Philippines, then you are as despicable as them. If you are Korean American you can embrace American customs but turning your back on the Bosintang Dog eating tradition of your own people is a despicable act of Treachery.
@joypoPHDsoan - haha... who cares about nationality. It means nothing. The only treachery is in the betrayal of man's best friend so I congratulate the activists in the Philippines, whoever they are. I hope we are as successful in changing laws in Korea. Despicable people are the ones who support cruelty and tyranny and all civilized people agree with me. Old barbaric, peasant traditions have no place in the modern world.
@AnimalRightsKorea Modern World has always been the term through out history. Yet again and again wars are fought when people differ in beliefs and opinion. The only way peace can be achieved is when Arrogant People like you learn to accept that there are cultures, practices and people different from you and just because they are not as rich as you are, doesn't mean they are inferior or barbaric or uncivilized. You eat Carrots, they eat dogs, you are EQUAL. YOU ARE NOT BETTER THAN THEM.
@joypoPHDsoan - There you go again--off on tangents, twisting the facts, making illogical comparative arguments, trying to turn it into a race issue, and pushing your cultural relativism nonsense. All you ever do is evade the issue at hand, which is that cruel treatment to animals is unacceptable and uncivilized. I've had enough of your arrogant support for cruelty, in defiance of your own country's laws. You cannot defend the indefensible and you know it. Goodbye.
@AnimalRightsKorea OK. As my parting statement I say Cruelty applies to all animals including pigs in USA not just dogs in the Philippines or Korea.
Filipinos, Koreans etc has the right to chose which animals they want to use to plow their fields or for food in their own famrs in their own country free from harrasment and humiliation by Westernized Animal Activists.
Just because a people maybe poor doesn't make their culture barbaric or uncivilized. Leave them alone.
@joypoPHDsoan Thats the whole point!!!!! Those dogs should be left alone (from being tortured to death) No-one has the right to torture an an death! especially animals that do so much for us (they guide our blind and help us, and this is how we repay them) These evil people deserve to be humiliated at the least, if not put in those cages and treated as those dogs are!!! That would be justice!
@joypoPHDsoan HOW CAN YOU COMPARE A CARROT TO A DOG!!! ARE YOU INSANE! Dogs feel fear... Dogs feel pain.. Dogs feel stressed when they are tgreatened, trapped and over heated and de-hydrated, then they feel terrified and they feel the agony of being tortured to death.. How is that ok in any culture??? I respect all cultures and beliefs, unless they are cruel and harmful, just like this!!!
@MissShowTheTrut Understand the statement. His point is not about how a carrot or a dog feel but that people who eat carrots are not better than people who eat dog meat. It's a matter of choices made in their own domain.
You can leave your dog alone but you can't tell Asians to leave their dog alone. It's their right to raise dogs for food in their own country.
If you can raise cows or carrots for food why can't they raise dogs for food?
@MissShowTheTrut Understand the statement. His point is not about how a carrot or a dog feel but that people who eat carrots are not better than people who eat dog meat. It's a matter of choices made in their own domain.
You can leave your dog alone but you can't tell Asians to leave their dog alone. It's their right to raise dogs for food in their own country.
If you can raise cows or carrots for food why can't they raise dogs for food?
@padukamahasari "Understand the statement. His point is not about how a carrot or a dog feel but that people who eat carrots are not better than people who eat dog meat." --> Ridiculous. Stop twisting what people write.
@MissShowTheTrut You can leave your dog alone but you can't tell Asians to leave their dog alone. It's their right to raise dogs for food in their own country.
If you can raise cows or carrots for food why can't they raise dogs for food?
@securitylover OK let me retract the "deserve death" portion. Now put yourself on our shoes. We have our own country. We have our own pratices and our own choices. Here comes foriegners, cordially allowed and granted entry in our lands. They are telling us to change our practices to conform to them. They are telling us that our customs are inferior and must subbordinate to their customs. How would you react to that? Suppose a spiritualist forces you not to eat plants?
@padukamahasari Unless you live isolated from the rest of the world, you are bound to interact with your fellow nations. You're using Western technology to interact with me right now. I respect all nations' culture and traditions but if it involves cruelty towards the weak and voiceless I cannot sit on my butt and shut up. If guerillas were to wreak havoc in your country killing off your family, friends, would you not be greatful if the international community came to rescue?
PETA, SIRUS, etc has no business coming to Philippines, Vietnam, Korea etc to instigate its own people to condemn their own culture. Someday I hope someone will be brave enough to teach them a lesson to leave Asian people and culture alone.
@securitylover USA encourage and funds murder of unborn babies. The Vaticans think that it is despicable. How do you feel if Vatican Activists would tell Americans to stop funding aborition, isn't that an interference to internal affairs?
Just because we interact and use your techonology for a fee doesn't license you to come to our place and instigate our people to change our internal practices.
@padukamahasari Actually I'd be grateful if foreign nations would make strong remarks on what happens to unborn babies or point out everything that abuses the weak and the voiceless.
What I don't get is why you feel so hostile towards _anyone_ who voice their concerns over the systematical and intentional abuse towards animals? An abuse that results in tremendous pain and horror and comes with a single purpose; to fill up your stomach for few hours? Is the abuse really worth it?
@padukamahasari Judging by your posts you seem to want to go back a century of history abandoning everything the White Man stands for. You seem to want to live on an island totally isolated from the world. But ok, it seems you want to pick and choose from a smorgasbord what benefits you the most. If it's hi-tech and cool wheels you're all up for it. If it concerns what you put in your mouth you're vehemently against it. May I ask why this what-i-put-in-my-mouth thing is so Holy?
@securitylovr Again I'm not arguing with you on Cruelty so don't ask me how because I don't oppose the method you want if it is available. If we have a stun gun we will use it.
You cannot avoid the carrot arguement.
You want to plant and eat carrot in your own country.
We want to raise dog for food in our own country.
What gives you the right to force us not to raise dog for food in our own home land?
Just because you have techmnological advantage don't give you the license to control us.
@padukamahasari they never did the Mongols just wiped out the more highly advanced middle eastern civilizations in the past, and later on the so called Renaissance and the Industrial age kicked off giving the advantage that the Whitemen in Europe needed over the way less developed Asian countries. Thus, enslaving and destroying African, Asian and other continents civilisations and cultures with their greed
@WipeoA Very true. One forgotten aspect of history is how the Brits tried to impose their will on the Chinese by literally drugging them with opium. They promoted opium dens in the cities to induce the population to constantly stay weak and occupied with vices and subservient to their will. In a way the Mao's Communist rebellion was partly a reaction to the moral decay they have done to them. These Westerners has a lot of sins to society and now they are again instigating trouble in Asia
@securitylover And about twisting issue, You and those Animal Activists are making it sound like we are promoting Cruelty. We are not arguing about cruelty. We don't oppose improvement of our slaughter method. What we are opposed are the unacceptable Insults made by animal activists like you in imposing your beliefs on us. We chose to eat dog like you chose to eat carrots. Our choices is none of your business.
@padukamahasari You can't retract what you've written. We deserve death huh? Ok. Whatevah.
Those who are concerned with animal welfare do not say cattle or chicken industry are acceptable. And what gives YOU the right to abuse your animals?
Just because it happens within your country borders does not mean it is acceptable. You use lot of words protecting your culture from "foreigners" but not a single word on how to get rid of the cruelty that comes with the industry.
@MissShowTheTru You can leave your dog alone but you can't tell Asians to leave their dog alone. It's their right to raise dogs for food in their own country.
If you can raise cows or carrots for food why can't they raise dogs for food?
His point about carrots and dog isn't about pain but about people being different from each other. No one has the right to impose on others. You eat carrots in your own land they eat dogs. What animal they eat at home is none of your business.
@padukamahasari I feel that No One (no matter where they are from in the world) has the right to torture a creature that has the ability to feel fear & pain.. I am extremely upset by this torture of dogs, and I have the right to be upset, bcause I can see their unnessicary suffering. I am just expressing my pain and my belief that No One has the right to torture! I do not agree with the way cows are killed, or pigs etc. it has nothing to do with geography, I am defending the dogs
@MissShowTheTruth So there are two issues. When it comes to torture you can probably intervene and send them modern equipments like stun guns etc so that they will no longer strungglulate their dog. Torture is not much in my own country, we kill our dogs quickly with a knife.
My only point is choice of food. What animal we chose to eat or Vietnamese, or Koreans chose to eat is their own business and they should not be judged for that.
@joypoPHDsoan Oh, is that so? So the level of intelligence should determine whether a being can possess rights or not? You may want to retract that statement before I bring in mentally challenged people, Alzheimer patients etc into the discussion. And I'm surprised you didn't know that animals form societies and social structures too.
@securitylover You misunderstood. According to Philosophy, Human positive Law, Sociology, and many forms of social sciences and to add Religion and
Theology, Humans are higher than animals from the view point of humans for reasons i.e. Soul, Ability to govern etc. and Intelligence. As member of the human race we are bound to recognize Human Rights, but not bound to recognize animal rights.
The above principles are holding the peace other wise we will impose on each other.
@joypoPHDsoan Doesn't it strike you as strange that humans determined only humans should possess rights? And you have failed to notice that animal rights have gained recognition since the first words of philosophy were formed; the more we study and know about animals the more we recognize them as sentinent beings and their right to feel no discomfort, pain etc.
You also bring in religion, the Bible tells us Man should take good care of his animals. Cruelty is not accepted.
@joypoPHDsoan Tip of the day: Try catching up some on the modern view of animal ethics. There are many strong proponents for animal ethics out there (e.g. Singer, Regan etc).
As an Asian American I live by the American culture and I don't eat dog meat. But I cannot turn a blind eye on these despicable act of bullying done by my fellow Americans and Westerners forcing Filipinos and Asians to conform to US West Food choices. Live them alone and allow them to practice their custome in their own land freely.
@joypoPHDsoan - how sad that you didn't mention a thing about the cruelty involved. Instead, you try to turn it into some cultural domination or race thing. Those things are irrelevant. US practices on factory farms are also cruel and should be condemned, so will you now criticize me for being anti-American? The words "custom" or "tradition" do not justify continued ignorance and cruelty. Tradition justifies nothing.
@joypoPHDsoan The criticicm against the dog meat industry comes from within. People who were shocked to find out how the dogs are treated. That is, S.Korea, Philippines, China etc. USA has nothing to do with it. Get over it please.
@joypoPHDsoan Indeed you could be fighting your own brother if you listen to them. All Asians must unite to resist Western bullying. It will not do you any good to turn your back on your own people. Encourage them to stand for their own principle. You may not eat dog meat. I don't too. But we ought to protect our own people. We are one with them.
@jitangoburka Do you have cars in your country? Do you resent them? Why do you use the internet? It's an American invention. Read carefully - Korea does n o t lose its identity for giving up the dog eating.
@securitylover I don't resent Americans. I admire them. Like HO Chi Minh I'm a big fan of the writings of Patrick Henry, Jeferson and even Obama. But once they go out of their territory and put their nose on what is not within their business you can't help but defend the oppressed from tyranny. I trained with Americans in Anti Communist Propaganda in the 80's. They are very nice people within themselves. But I can't swallow how arrogant they are in looking down on other cultures.
@jitangoburka It's tyranny to ask for a humane treatment of animals? Uh huh.
Uh huh, as if it's only Americans who raise their voices against the brutality. According to you, if Americans raise their voice they're putting their nose in other's business. If it's European it's a Western doctrine forced upon Asians. If voices are heard among Asians, they've been brainwashed by the West. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I hope you're happy living inside your tiny little bubble. Burst.
@sec What you Americans failed to understand is that people all over the world has high regards for you. Even the Arabs and the Palestinians, the terrorists, admire your success. They would carry your luggage and light up your cigars. But what do you do in return? You tell them their culture is inferior, they must change to conform with yours. They are mistreating animals etc. You organize Animal groups that pit them to fight each other. They eat dog for thousands of years. You can't change that
@jitangoburka To be honest, I'm tired of your anti-white-man propaganda, it makes me roll my eyes when you keep linking it with dog-eating as if they're related But go ahead, don't stop - But keep in mind that your efforts reveal to everyone sane reading your posts how dangerous and deep brainwashing goes, and how it, in the 21th century, is still blooming.
@joypoPHDsoan Haha. You're an idiot. Animal lovers care about all animal. Just because this person focuses on dogs doesn't mean they wouldn't argue for chicken welfare. If you have a culture that cares nothing about its animal's pain, it's a stupid fucking culture. Are you insulted? Good.
@rmp1809 Hey moron, You have very poor reading comprehension. I'm refering to this AnimalRigthsKorea which focusses on Korean dog eating practices. It is founded by Westerners though they have local recruits.. They are behind those rallies about dog eating. Don't butt in on things you don't understand, you're making yourself look like a clown you idiot.
@joypoPHDsoan those dog eaters from korea are gays for eating dogs . I'm american and I support animal rights group in korea . damn dog eaters needa stop eating dogs cuz its disgusting of them to eat dogs dont those dog eaters know shame .
@southkoreaeatsdogs those beef eaters from USA are gays for eating beef. I'm Hindu and I believe Cows are Sacred animals . damn beef eaters needa stop eating beef cuz its disgusting of them to eat beef dont those beef eaters know shame .
Luckily a Hindu has much much higher mental capacity and education than you to understand the concept of Cultural Variance.
@joypoPHDsoan eating beef is normal cuz thats what we do in america . now eating dog is just primitive and savage and uncivilized . dogs were the first to be domesticated and they were used as a food source but they were also used for other reasons like hunting bigger game like deer and elk , they were used as guards to alert their owners and keep out intruders . they shared a comraderie with humans and thats a sacred bond thats why their mans best friend .
@southkorea You're funny. Eating beef is normal for you but surely is disgusting for Hindus. And just because Asians or Hindus have different beliefs than your own doesn't mean they are primitive or inferior. You only have your part of the world, you don't own it. Other cultures have their fair share of the world as well, you have to learn to respect that.
Cows feel pain, plow field. Just because they don't wag their tails doesn't unfairly make them inferior to dogs.
@joypoPHDsoan I'm asian american and cows dont plow rice fields its the water buffalo that do . cows are live stock and they dont do anything exept give us milk and their tasty flesh . hindu's worship cows cuz their worshipping sheva a blood thirty pagan god with 4 arms WTF . lol :)
@southkoreaeatsdogs So am I and I know for a fact that certain regions in my home province in the Philippines and in many regions in other Asian countries the Toro Cows are used for plowing though the primary choice were carabaos or water bufalos.
Filipinos and other Asians have the right to chose which animals they want to plow or they want for food in their own lands free from harrasment and humiliation by Western worshipping dog activists. Dog's life is not unfairly higher than a cow.
@joypoPHDsoan a dog can hunt , play fetch , track and sniff out drugs and thats why the police uses them , the us army uses dogs to sniff out land mines and bombs . dogs guard their homes and keep out intruders . dogs assist the disabled and dogs know how to get help like that shiba inu in Japan in 2004 there was an earth quake the shiba inu got the Japanese army to help find its owners . a cow cant do that or any other domesticated animal .
@southkoreae Science says Pigs are smarter, have sharper smell sensory and could do more intelligent task than dogs if only given the chance. Cows plow fields and built the first Rail Roads in all 4 continents. Horses fought and die along side men in war. Every animal has its own value and no one is unfairly higher than another. It's a matter of choice. Filipinos, Vietnamese other Asians chose to raise dog for food in their own land. It's their choice, its their business.
@southkoreaeatsdogs Before the rail road tracks were laid a road has to be carved as early as 1700's and they used the strongest available animals among which, the Australian bull to pull the graders. The Chinese of 1800's were following these tracks, of course steam tractors were already available at that time.
@AnimalRightsKorea Agreed! Also, there are numerous laws regarding chicken keeping standards in the USA. I wonder how many laws Korea has about the humane care of dogs.
Dumb Americans. They eat french fries everyday and they think french fries are vegetables. There are many healthy food that can make American kids skinny easier. Carrot, Tomato, fresh fruits and all those fresh vegetables.... yet they MUST have bigMac and french fries.
Leave it to fat ass to choose the most high fat food in the world to get fatter. Most of American (except some few) never lived more than 60 years cause they were always fat.
@Mrgreatestfreakout - um, yes, thanks for your views. But they have nothing to do with dog eating in Korea. Are you suggesting everyone should follow a vegetarian diet? If so, I'd agree with you.
@pandaya dogs cats cows pigs horse whatever it is for man to decide. unless you're a vegan you have no case to stop filipinos from eating dog or to stop americans from eating beef.
@jitangoburka - this is about the Korean dog meat trade, not filipinos. Everyone has a right to stop cruelty wherever they see it. Yes, I am a vegan, but even people who are not vegans can still stand up against cruelty wherever they see it, whether in Korea, the Philippines or the US. Just because you eat meat doesn't mean you can ignore cruelty, although it is typical for meat eaters to think they way. It's a kind of blindness.
@pandaya Yeah cruelty is anyone's business. But it has to be fair. American slaughter houses too has been machine slashing pigs that are still semil conscious but alive. I understand you're a vegan. But those who are not vegan who are feasting on pork and beef has no case to stop others who are feasting on dog meat. Cows have feelings too.
@securitylover Yeah I've seen the videos. Filipinos are fighting back to overturned the ban. It's unfair to them. You got two guys there, first were charged with theft because the dog has collar. But the owner testified he sold the dog to them so they have no case. They then amend the law and charge them with Dog possesion for meat which is a new law. They've been jailed until they can pay 15000 pesos which is big money over there. Those guys have no criminal record and has family left behind.
@jitangoburka So your argument seems to be as long as the offender has a family, it's okay for him to abuse animals and break the law?
If the offender has a family he should've picked a path that isn't illegal and immoral to earn his dollars. It's like selling drugs and buy your kids clothes for the money you earn. Immoral and illegal. Unfair to the guys you say but what about the abused animals? They have no say in this case?
Hopefully one day the young Korean generation will face the fact that this part of their "cuisine" / food culture is so retarded. Until then - damn those crazy low-life animal abusers! I hope the dogs sometimes bite back. And give them rabies.
Signing petitions does not have much effect... as effective one would think it'd be, crying out loud to politicians doesn't help, the only thing to wait for is a paradigm change.
@KatieLaree - thanks for your concern. It is very hard to eradicate the Korean dog meat industry because it's so entrenched and the Korean government is not interested in stopping it. However, you could help by raising awareness about it so more and more people know what is going on. This might lead to more international pressure. People can also write to Korean embassies in their countries and sign petitions. If you want to sign a petition, there's currently a link to one on KARA's front page.
@AnimalRightsKorea You can never ever suppress a genuine tradition of a Free people.
You've become an instrument of US Western Cultural Imperialism. If you're problem is animal Cruelty then it applies to all kinds of animals not just dogs and the solution is to require humane slaughter method. But prohibiting people from chosing which animals they like to eat is an act of despicable tyranny.
Dog meat eaters must be free from harrasment and redicule. It's their right.
@padukamahasari - you're repeating old cliches. KARA is run by Koreans and it is illogical to link the protection of animals with "Western imperialism." KARA is concerned about all animals, not just dogs. Cruelty towards animals cannot be justified by tradition--you're tradition argument is irrelevant. To say that it is tyranny for KARA to voice its opinion is laughable. A worse kind of tyranny is humans against animals, as shown in the video. It is morally wrong to treat animals this way.
@padukamahasari Stop giving me the nonsense about cultural imperialism and give me ONE solid reason to continue the horrific and _deliberate_ torture that millions of dogs have to endure; born and raised in cages without floor, no water (yes, that's right - NO water!), fed with rotten food-waste (salty and spicy kimchi), forced out the cages when slaugther day is due, crammed inside tiny wire cages for hours' long transport, hung, beaten, or electrocuted to death. All worth protecting is it?
@padukamahasari I note there isn't a single word on the abuse that is deliberately forced upon these dogs. And cultural imperialism? You mean your right to torture the dogs for You to eat? Failed to notice that increasing number of KOREANS vehemently are against this cruel industry? Oh, I am Korean by the way so I know your Western imperialism blabber argument is just another way to justify the horrible killings and an easy way to subdue the shred of conscience that may dwell deep inside you.
@padukamahasari Not only dogs suffer. That is true. But acknowledge the fact that torture of dogs is d e l i b e r a t e. Cows, pigs, hen all suffer but with dogs it's actually different. And, uhm, is it a rule generated by you that goes ; We must first discuss cattle, hen, chicken, foie gras, whale, hunting, zoo's, fur, traps, strays before discussing dogs?
@AnimalRightsKorea You sir has become a tool and instrument of Western Cultural Imperialism. There are no tyrants if there are no oppressed. Animals don't have rights. People have rights. Fight for Asian culture. Fight for Korean rights to chose their food.
If those were chicken in cages those were not cruelty? All animals are equal. Who the hell are you to tell people not to eat certain animals.
@toneynguyen5 You did know that those people who eat dog meat do it because of its "medicinal benefits"? Dr Dog Meat, a notorious quack, claims "Dog's heart cures depression. Dog's penis protects woman's private parts and remedies impotency. If a dog bites you, eat dog liver. Dog meat warms your knees" etc. Millions of dogs die because of the pseudo-science and lies. Do you insist on supporting the lies? Do you wish to join the 21century or cling on to what peasants believed when they knew less?
@toneynguyen5 I guess you're one of those people who never missed a meal. Live to eat kind of guy. And never mind the deliberate torture and horrifying death of the animals ; as long as it's part of a culture, it must be protected at any price? And according to you, culture does not evolve.
Yes, that's actually your conclusion.
Funny, I thought it was a common knowledge that all culture are bound to evolve. Look at Catalonia, Spain and the bullfighting ban. Culture evolves.
@toneynguyen5 - you're saying the same things as your friend, padukamahasari, which I answered already. It is showing the ugly side of Korean nationalism by linking it with dog eating. Some things in Asian culture are not worth fighting for because they are an embarrassment. Also, Korea's bad treatment of animals has brought shame and disgrace on the country. Korea's animal welfare is well below that of other civilized nations. Yes, if those were chickens in the cages, it would still be cruel.
Those assholes should be punished by putting themselves intO A CAGE WITH VERY HUNGRY LARGE DOGS. So they can see what its like!
rob2049 2 weeks ago
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I pray for natural disasters to destroy China, Vietnam, Thailand, Japan, Korea & Indonesia.
karezza6 3 weeks ago
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KOREA is the HELL for all dogs and cats :/
Pelesdoom55 4 weeks ago
These people are brain-dead, heartless and soul-less. But never mind, what goes around comes around, so have a nice life while you can, because in the next one, with a bit if luck you'll come back as a dog or cat. Karma.....
clioandminnie 1 month ago
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revo1010 1 month ago
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Wanted to know what men would do if animals didn’t exist. On whom would they discharge their anger and what kind of meat would they eat… Surely they would kill one another and eat human meat.
TheDebbieLoesch 1 month ago
Fear factors too. This is insane. This is disgusting. And we're supposed to be human not animals! I wish I could bring all the dogs home for a good quality of life with true love and freedom. Tonight I won't sleep, I'm gutted . But will sign petitions to make this stop
eleganceforever1 1 month ago
In the name of god please make them stop this barbaric act of abuse. Dogs have feelings and fear fC
eleganceforever1 1 month ago
Don't worry, there's lots of space waiting for these murderers in hell, and long may they all rot there. Noting but a race of barbaric, sadistic savages who keep on excusing their brutal and cruel behaviour and treatment towards cats and dogs as 'tradition' and 'culture' Its not about understanding, its their blatant and wanton cruelty that civilised, decent, caring people object to.
clioandminnie 2 months ago
Wt.. if it were not a dog but a pig, you would say this method is wrong? What is the rightful method you think? Walk on the red carpet to hotel airplane? That animals are livestock. Not a cute puppy in your house.
aisch1212 2 months ago
@aisch1212 - yes, no matter what animal is involved, this is totally unacceptable. Just because an animal is labelled livestock by humans does not justify its abuse and torture. However, in the case of dogs, the Korean government has yet to properly classify them as livestock and purposefully keeps the issue of dog farming and processing in a legal limbo. Also, many pets end up as dog meat in Korea, including cute puppies. Cruelty cannot be justified by labels or tradition or anything else.
AnimalRightsKorea 2 months ago
Schade das man diese bestien nicht uns Tierfreunden überlässt, schade schade
wienoch2 3 months ago
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We have people who goes hungry here.
memadman 6 months ago
Fuck that shit man the point is that those piece of shit mutha fuckers are eating whats known to man kind as its Best Friend somthing that u grow old with ,as breakfast fuck that and any one thats with that !!!!
SuperERIC562 6 months ago
Muslims say Pork is none eatable but understand that other culture exist outside their territory.
Hindu Says Cows are Sacred and none eatable but understand that other culture exists.
American Says Dogs are pets and none eatable and they want the whole world to follow them and stop eating dog meat.
We Filipinos, Cambodians, Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese has been eating dog meat for 2000 years.
Why do we change a sound cultural practice just because Americans wants us to change?
leonquago 6 months ago 6
@leonquago What is sound about torturing an animal from its birth to death? I'm curious.
Cultural differences can never be used to condone animal abuse, be it abusing cattle, birds or pets.
Besides, Man domesticated the wolf way longer than the 2000 years you mention if you want to use numbers as an argument. And unless your culture is isolated from the rest of the world, culture evolves.
Are you sure you want to insist on sticking to what a given culture did 2000 years ago?
Let me see...
securitylover 6 months ago
@securitylover If your problem is animal cruelty it also applies to the cows and pigs you eat in USA, not just to dogs eaten by Filipinos and other Asians.
The solution is to adopt humane tools. Not even the USA is doing that as machines slash the throat of their animals while semi conscious. There's no justification to ban eating dog meat just because some people think it's a cute animal. All animals are equal, it's a matter of choice. You don't own the world. Learn to respect other cultures.
leonquago 6 months ago
@leonquago Yes, it applies to other animals as well. But the topic is dogs. There are channels where you can discuss animal abuse by category.
I'm not proposing a ban on dog meat because they're cute. From the day they're born to the day they die, their lives are saturated with horror & pain. No water is given to them, only rotten food. Crammed inside tiny cages. Then they're brutally killed. Taiwan banned dog meat because they realized it's impossible to humanely raise dogs for food. Learn.
securitylover 6 months ago
@sec Regardless of what reason, being cute or anything, it's none of your business what kind of animals Filipinos and Aisans chose to eat.
Animal cruelty applies to all so why the unfairness. You can see on your own slaughter houses in USA how Cows, Pigs and Chickens are slashed by machine while semi conscious after electricity is intoduced to their bodies. So why not seek to ban cow? Honestly it sounds so funny when you say it's impossible to humanely raise dogs for food but not for pigs.
leonquago 6 months ago
@leonquago I already said there are other channels to discuss cattle abuse. Animal advocates work hard to expose the cruel industry all over the world. No animal advocate I know claim it's possible to humanely raise pigs.
If you want to discuss zoo's and hunting, I'm expected to stick to them. It's called Netiquette to not to deviate from a topic.
And I doubt you'd give up dog eating if West gets rid of the battery cages.
I note that you and your buddies fail to comment on the dog torture.
securitylover 6 months ago
@securitylo I already said I don't condone intentional torture of cows or dogs. But the method of slaughter reflects available tools. If there is a lethal injection in the Philippine and yet they use knife then I would not defend their method. As of now knife is the only tool available.
Now if you seek to ban eating beef for reasons of cruelty then I will rest my case. But if you seek to ban eating dog and not beef, you can't conveniently excuse yourself by saying there's other videos for cows.
leonquago 6 months ago
@leonquago And I already said it's impossible to raise & kill these dogs in a humane way. Please describe this utopia.
No, I'm not trying to exclude beef consumption and I'm not singling out the dog. Ban on dog consumption can happen in a blink of an eye. The work to decrease beef & pork consumption needs a different approach. A ban on cattle? Yes, but not very realistic. But with dogs we're getting close. And just because we don't mention cows, it doesn't imply we condone the meat industry.
securitylover 6 months ago
@sec Let' assume we humbly comply with your slaughter method and we slaughter our dogs in the same way you slaughter your cows.
You don't seek banning of cow for food for reasons 1. it's impossible to raise & kill dogs in a humane way. 2. we are getting closer in banning dog meat in Asia while we are farfetched in banning beef.
How is the same method of raising and slaughtering not "humane' for dogs but humane for cows?
Just because u can bully dog eaters doesn't justify discriminatory ban.
leonquago 6 months ago
@leonquago Did you fail to absorb my text? Reread.
See, leonquago, it's not only about the slaughering method. Dogs need vaccination/medical attention, proper food, shelter, a minimum roaming area, taken out for a walk etc. And come slaughtering day, the death must be instant. You think it's feasible? You already know how much cows, pigs and hen suffer in spite of being heavily regulated by various "welfare" laws. You think greedy Asian men will comply to the laws & satisfy the animals' needs?
securitylover 6 months ago
@sec Nothing to absorb, your point is very simplistic, looking at dogs from only one view point, the pet concept.
Let's narrow the issue. You contend "it's impossible to raise and slaughter dogs in a humane way because you have to vaccinate them etc." Don't you think it's funny?
If you can raise cows and pigs for slaugther in one way, why do you have to raise dog for slaughter in a much special way?
Unless you're fanatical, you know you're out of reason. Discriminatory ban is unjustifiable.
leonquago 6 months ago
@leonquago I give up. You seem to miss my points.
securitylover 6 months ago
@securitylover I didn't miss your point. I just happened to have a different view from you. Nothing we can do about it. So the best you and your kind can do is leave us alone to chose our animal food free from ntimidation and humiliation from Westerners like SIRUS PETA and individual crusaders. If you push us too much too the wall time will come we will push you back, just like what happened in Vietnam.
The SIRUS instigated Criminal ban on dog eating in the Philippines is an act of treason.
leonquago 6 months ago
@leonquago I am not american! I know they are a bossy bunch, but its nothing to do with that.. geography and culture aside! I do not agree with anyone torturing another person, or, creature that feels fear & pain!! this includes cows, pigs, chicken etc etc.. Torture is wrong!! I do respect different cultures, and respect the differences between us all, but the only thing I cant help but feel devastated about is torture like this.. I want to defend the dogs, its not their culture!!
MissShowTheTruth 2 months ago 2
All of you who want to _protect_ the dog abusing industry by saying chickens and turkeys suffer too, therefore you're not allowed to discuss dog torture ; A) It is possible to discuss one topic at a time, B) Where did you get the idea that we support drug dealing because we are against human trafficking?
Shallow arguments can be mentioned once. But please don't repeat them. It's embarrassing.
securitylover 6 months ago
@sec Bottom line here is, Who do you think You Americans and Westerners are to lay down the standard of what is correct or wrong for Asian dog eaters? Were you elected by the world to be the judge? or did "God" grant you an authority to rule all of mankind?
In your doctrines Animals has rights. In ours, animals exist to sustain humans and they have no rights. To you it's wrong, but who are you to impose your beliefs on us. The world could be peaceful if only you know how to respect boundaries
jitangoburka 6 months ago
@jitangoburka Still can't give up the West vs Asia thing? As inhabitants of the Earth, as World Citizens it is our duty and responsibility to strive for a better treatment of animals.
Animals have no voice, can't object to the harsh treatments, they feel pain and suffering the same way as you do. The objecting voice can only come from humans. And you want to silence that voice. You claim only humans have the right to feel no pain and horror.
You claim you have the right to abuse animals. Sicko.
securitylover 6 months ago
@securitylover As inhabitants of the earth you have to respect the right of other people in their own territory. The only justification for intrusion is when humans are violated such as cannibalism and abortion, because as members of the human race you have some sort of an obligation to rescue fellow human.
If we allow intrusion just because some lunatcis think that animals are not butchered correctly then there will be no peace on earth as the littleast issue can result to confrontations.
jitangoburka 6 months ago
@jitangoburka - Again, no one has a right to abuse and torture animals.
This isn't about politics, this is about morality, common sense and empathy. Reread.
Oh, you probably didn't know one of the cardinal symptoms of an individual turning into a sociopath or a psychopath is deliberate animal abuse. Studies have shown animal abusers are more likely to abuse humans as well.
Now who's the lunatic here: Those who are concerned with animal welfare or those who actively promote animal cruelty?
securitylover 6 months ago
@securitylover And no one has the right to impose upon a free people. You remind me of a song "When will we ever learn?" written by Peter Paul and Mary as a reminder to the American people.
YOu have never learned to respect other cultures or beliefs when you see it not consistent with your own. You have caused too many troubles in the world already. When will you ever learn?
jitangoburka 6 months ago
@jitangoburka Honestly, jitangoburka, I'm fed up with the never-ending America/West vs Asia nonsense which seems to be your single "argument" in this discussion, which really isn't an argument at all. I will continue this discussion only if you are willing to discuss the essence of the topic - dogs and torture. No sidetracking.
I did mention it already - I am not an American. I am Korean.
And no, I haven't been brainwashed by the west.
securitylover 6 months ago
@se Hmm so you're Korean but you sound Whiter than the white. The Asian characterestics is to leave other people alone unless it affects them. You probably grew up in USA. And that's how American think, that if something is not right to their eyes they will try to correct it. But it resulted to so many deaths. They forced the Vietnamese to reject communism and looked what happened. They funded Marcos's anti Communist campaign butchering thousands of Filipinos. Just leave people alone
jitangoburka 6 months ago
I've seen pictures of caged animals cramped like this in California Fulton Valley Farms. The only thing different is that what is inside aren't dogs but Chickens and Turkeys. Chickens feel pain too don't they? So why is it cruelty only if it involves dogs in Asia? Leave them alone, don't you have better things to do in life.
joypoPHDsoan 6 months ago
@joypoPHDsoan - you are correct in pointing out that squeezing animals in cages is cruel. But to then say we should ignore it is not an argument at all. It doesn't even make sense. You are saying we should ignore cruelty. This video is about dogs, not about chickens. You can find videos about chickens elsewhere. You might want to ignore reality because it is convenient to you, but we don't.
AnimalRightsKorea 6 months ago
@AnimalRightsKorea Because whoever is founding your group is a racist. You must be American and you recruit Koreans to carry your flag. Why pick on Asians. I don't eat dog but my cousins do. YOu never care about chicken in USA and you are trying to shame us in Asia. YOu make us fight within ourselves. You don't ignore cruelty but start in your own home. Not in Asia.
joypoPHDsoan 6 months ago
@joypoPHDsoan Read the replies before posting.
I also fail to understand why you're not proud of the horrifying photos and media files that expose the animal abuse, traditional way, since it's part of the "culture"? If the cruelty isn't exposed, there will be no change. And yes, there are perpetual fights between pro-dog-meat people and those who care about animals. I'm satisfied to know the Dog Meat Festival in Seoul was canceled due to a "fight" between those groups. Let the fight continue.
securitylover 6 months ago
@securitylover I don't know if you're Asian or not but look back how the French and the Americans fueled the Southern Vietnamese to kill their own northern brothers. Yeah you like them to pick a fight with each other so you can harvest the outcome of their blood. But in the end what happened?
The Northerners died a million death hit with Napalm etc. But ultimately the French and Americans abandoned their commitment and left the Southerns to be slaughtered by their own brothers. You can't supress
jitangoburka 6 months ago
@joypoPHDsoan - why are you talking about America all the time? KARA is focused on Korea, not America. Haven't you even looked at the Korean KARA website? You will see KARA is located in Korea and run by Koreans. In fact, the Director of KARA is Lim Soonrye, the Korean movie director. For more information go ahead and contact the KARA office (which of course is located in Seoul, not in the US). Details are on the Korean website. If someone said KARA was founded in America, they lied to you.
AnimalRightsKorea 6 months ago
@AnimalRights Because for all the wars fought in Asia there is always a white man behind. Now aren't you an American who is running this video to malign Koreans? Those Animal Groups like KARA has been heavily westernized. No decent Korean will have the audacity to condemn his forefathers culture without Western instigation. Yeah they appear to be Koreans but examine their policies and slogans. They sound so Westernized. Animals don't have rights under Asian doctrine. Only in USA and Europe.
jitangoburka 6 months ago 2
@jitangoburka Please stop spreading disinformation. Go open a neutral history book and catch up some facts. And I suggest you turn off your computer device throw it away and use and eat nothing that is from the white man. Stop linking dog eating with irrelevant stuff. Your multiple anti-white-man posts are ridiculous and just weird, so disengaged from reality it's almost scary.
securitylover 6 months ago
@jitangoburka - Asian doctrine? You mean lawless, backward and ignorant treatment of animals? There's nothing to proud of about that. You have to try and understand that animal protection is a worldwide issue. Country and cultural boundaries are irrelevant. So your conspiracy theories about the white man don't make sense. The strongest voices against dog eating are by ordinary Koreans who are proud of Korea and want to make it better. They do more for Korea than irrational Korean nationalists.
AnimalRightsKorea 6 months ago
@Ani ha ha ha don't get carried away. Asian legal Doctrines treat animals as property within the owner's proprietary rights. The concept of animal rights is Americna European which you are trying to force on Asian legal systems.
And it's not conspiracy theory. North and south Vietnam were bound to unite but French and Americans like you instigated them to kill each other in the name of Democracy. Now you are pitting Koreans to fight against themselves by poisoning young minds that their culture
jitangoburka 6 months ago
@jitangoburka You wrote : "Asian legal Doctrines treat animals as property within the owner's proprietary rights. The concept of animal rights is Americna European which you are trying to force on Asian legal systems" You're basically saying - "I don't care if we are cruel, I'm proud of being cruel, cruelty is part of our tradition so shut the hell up!" Scary.
You are a backward-minded person who fail to understand that a country can't exist without interacting with the rest of the world.
securitylover 6 months ago
@AnimalRi Some people in USA come up with a silly idea and pushed for animal rights. Rights are earned by humans after they formed societies and social structures. Animals has not attain that level of intelligence to posses a right. Whatever they have depends on what humans grants them and in Asia they are not granted rights.
Soon you'll be lobbying for a Donkey right to Vote for Obama ha ha ha ha ha. Stupid.
joypoPHDsoan 2 months ago
@joypoPHDsoan - no, animal rights goes back to the ancient Greeks and beyond. However, it gained more prominence during the Enlightenment and especially in the UK during the 1800s. The modern animal rights movement also emerged in the UK and Europe. So people in the US didn't come up with the idea of animal rights all of a sudden. And humans only have self-serving rights they agree on. Once again, you failed in trying to play down animal cruelty while pushing your anti-American agenda.
AnimalRightsKorea 2 months ago
@AnimalRightsKorea It was just a terminology not a legal principle. I challenge you to survey all Legal Systems in the world. None of them recognize animals rights and classify animals as within the proprietary right of it's owner.
Recently in New Zealand a dog owner barbecued his dog in his back yard challenging the law. The NZ supreme court ruled dogs are not endowed with rights.
Dogs are not entitled "Due Process, Voting etc"
Animal right is a Consolation Term.
joypoPHDsoan 2 months ago
@joypoPHDsoan - there are animal protection laws that give animals rights. But all of this rights talk is evading the issues of cruelty and suffering. Just because humans give themselves self-serving rights, doesn't mean they are universal and timeless. Humans just agree on rules and when society becomes more civilized, humans will agree on better rules for animals, as is already happening. The day will come soon when some animals will be recognized as persons.
AnimalRightsKorea 2 months ago
@AnimalRig Well, as of now all fields of study, philosophy, theology, Social Science, Human Positive Law all agreed that animals are not endowed with the same inherent rights as humans. Universally accepted standards of right or wrong like the murder of innocent people justify intrusion to a country's internal affair, but chosing which animals are to be food and the manner of slaughter is within the respected domain of every nation and people and they are entitled to be left alone on their inter
joypoPHDsoan 2 months ago
@joypoPHDsoan - wait, now you're talking about inherent rights. That's entirely different. No animals have inherent rights, certainly not humans, who are just another kind of African ape. Of course, religious people will proclaim that humans have inherent rights, but that is based on beliefs for which there is no evidence. All institutions you mention differ in opinion and, like I said, change over time. People used to argue that black men were property, using the same words you are now.
AnimalRightsKorea 2 months ago
@AnimalRights Not all blacks were considered property, only the slaves. There were free black men and royalties.
Anyways yeah change can happen but at this point all major standards from Philosophy, Sociology to Political Science classify humans to be higher from other animals and accorded human rights inherent in every being. Unless you succeed in Changing the world to equalize animals and humans, you still have to honor that principle. You still cannot equate human murder to dog killing.
joypoPHDsoan 2 months ago
@joypoPHDsoan - as I said, many different views exist within the institutions you mentioned. No one is suggesting to equalize animals with humans in the way you mean. They are saying to give animals consideration of their interests and that means not treating them cruelly as shown in the video. All this rights talk changes nothing about the fact that what is in the video is immoral and uncivilized and should be completely banned. You seem to evade talking on this issue by going off on tangents.
AnimalRightsKorea 2 months ago
@AnimalRightsKorea Actually that's the contention. If dogs don't have the same rights than humans then you have no basis interfering with the internal affairs of another country. How they tranport, raise or butcher their dogs is their own business.
joypoPHDsoan 2 months ago
@joypoPHDsoan - that's nonsense. Anyone can speak up against cruelty no matter where they see it in the world. If you are saying people cannot criticize immoral and uncivilized behavior, maybe you'd be happier living in North Korea. It's a disgrace that you support and make excuses for cruelty. In addition, you assume I live outside of Korea. The organization I'm with is Korean, located in Seoul, and it has over 10,000 members who have every right to condemn the treatment of animals in Korea.
AnimalRightsKorea 2 months ago
@AnimalRig Speaking and criticizing is one thing. But going to another country to middle in their internal affair is another. I'm not familiar with your situation in Korea. But if you are like SIRUS, PETA, etc. who come to the Phlippines, bribe our senators to criminalize our culture, organize protests calling our practices Barbaric and Uncivilized then you surely have trampled our right as a people.
joypoPHDsoan 2 months ago
@joypoPHDsoan - why are you talking about the Philippines? The video shown here, the name of this channel, and the group I'm in are all related to Korea. The things in the video are barbaric and uncivilized practices by people in Korea. Since it's just as bad in the Philippines, your practices are barbaric and uncivilized too--and illegal! According to your own country's law, you don't have any so-called right. Any place or person that supports cruelty to living things, deserves to be trampled.
AnimalRightsKorea 2 months ago
@AnimalRightsKorea You have poor reading comprehension. I was using the Philippine situation as Guage. I'm familiar with it because I'm a Filipino American. Hence if what you did in Korea is the same as what those bastards Animals activists are doing in the Philippines, then you are as despicable as them. If you are Korean American you can embrace American customs but turning your back on the Bosintang Dog eating tradition of your own people is a despicable act of Treachery.
joypoPHDsoan 2 months ago
@joypoPHDsoan - haha... who cares about nationality. It means nothing. The only treachery is in the betrayal of man's best friend so I congratulate the activists in the Philippines, whoever they are. I hope we are as successful in changing laws in Korea. Despicable people are the ones who support cruelty and tyranny and all civilized people agree with me. Old barbaric, peasant traditions have no place in the modern world.
AnimalRightsKorea 2 months ago
@AnimalRightsKorea Modern World has always been the term through out history. Yet again and again wars are fought when people differ in beliefs and opinion. The only way peace can be achieved is when Arrogant People like you learn to accept that there are cultures, practices and people different from you and just because they are not as rich as you are, doesn't mean they are inferior or barbaric or uncivilized. You eat Carrots, they eat dogs, you are EQUAL. YOU ARE NOT BETTER THAN THEM.
joypoPHDsoan 2 months ago
@joypoPHDsoan - There you go again--off on tangents, twisting the facts, making illogical comparative arguments, trying to turn it into a race issue, and pushing your cultural relativism nonsense. All you ever do is evade the issue at hand, which is that cruel treatment to animals is unacceptable and uncivilized. I've had enough of your arrogant support for cruelty, in defiance of your own country's laws. You cannot defend the indefensible and you know it. Goodbye.
AnimalRightsKorea 2 months ago
@AnimalRightsKorea OK. As my parting statement I say Cruelty applies to all animals including pigs in USA not just dogs in the Philippines or Korea.
Filipinos, Koreans etc has the right to chose which animals they want to use to plow their fields or for food in their own famrs in their own country free from harrasment and humiliation by Westernized Animal Activists.
Just because a people maybe poor doesn't make their culture barbaric or uncivilized. Leave them alone.
joypoPHDsoan 2 months ago 7
@joypoPHDsoan Thats the whole point!!!!! Those dogs should be left alone (from being tortured to death) No-one has the right to torture an an death! especially animals that do so much for us (they guide our blind and help us, and this is how we repay them) These evil people deserve to be humiliated at the least, if not put in those cages and treated as those dogs are!!! That would be justice!
MissShowTheTruth 2 months ago
@joypoPHDsoan HOW CAN YOU COMPARE A CARROT TO A DOG!!! ARE YOU INSANE! Dogs feel fear... Dogs feel pain.. Dogs feel stressed when they are tgreatened, trapped and over heated and de-hydrated, then they feel terrified and they feel the agony of being tortured to death.. How is that ok in any culture??? I respect all cultures and beliefs, unless they are cruel and harmful, just like this!!!
MissShowTheTruth 2 months ago
@MissShowTheTrut Understand the statement. His point is not about how a carrot or a dog feel but that people who eat carrots are not better than people who eat dog meat. It's a matter of choices made in their own domain.
You can leave your dog alone but you can't tell Asians to leave their dog alone. It's their right to raise dogs for food in their own country.
If you can raise cows or carrots for food why can't they raise dogs for food?
Arrogant people like you deserve death
padukamahasari 2 months ago
@MissShowTheTrut Understand the statement. His point is not about how a carrot or a dog feel but that people who eat carrots are not better than people who eat dog meat. It's a matter of choices made in their own domain.
You can leave your dog alone but you can't tell Asians to leave their dog alone. It's their right to raise dogs for food in their own country.
If you can raise cows or carrots for food why can't they raise dogs for food?
Arrogant people like you deserve death
padukamahasari 2 months ago
@padukamahasari "Understand the statement. His point is not about how a carrot or a dog feel but that people who eat carrots are not better than people who eat dog meat." --> Ridiculous. Stop twisting what people write.
securitylover 1 month ago
@MissShowTheTrut You can leave your dog alone but you can't tell Asians to leave their dog alone. It's their right to raise dogs for food in their own country.
If you can raise cows or carrots for food why can't they raise dogs for food?
Arrogant people like you deserve death
padukamahasari 2 months ago
@padukamahasari wrote : "Arrogant people like you deserve death"
Thanks for reinforcing what I've been suspecting for a long time.
Dog eaters are arrogant and violent.
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@securitylover OK let me retract the "deserve death" portion. Now put yourself on our shoes. We have our own country. We have our own pratices and our own choices. Here comes foriegners, cordially allowed and granted entry in our lands. They are telling us to change our practices to conform to them. They are telling us that our customs are inferior and must subbordinate to their customs. How would you react to that? Suppose a spiritualist forces you not to eat plants?
padukamahasari 1 month ago
@padukamahasari Unless you live isolated from the rest of the world, you are bound to interact with your fellow nations. You're using Western technology to interact with me right now. I respect all nations' culture and traditions but if it involves cruelty towards the weak and voiceless I cannot sit on my butt and shut up. If guerillas were to wreak havoc in your country killing off your family, friends, would you not be greatful if the international community came to rescue?
securitylover 1 month ago
PETA, SIRUS, etc has no business coming to Philippines, Vietnam, Korea etc to instigate its own people to condemn their own culture. Someday I hope someone will be brave enough to teach them a lesson to leave Asian people and culture alone.
padukamahasari 1 month ago
@padukamahasari Teach them a lesson by beating them up or kill them? ^^
You seem to forget or ignore that the voices against the cruelty come from within. Let that sink into your brains.
securitylover 1 month ago
@securitylover USA encourage and funds murder of unborn babies. The Vaticans think that it is despicable. How do you feel if Vatican Activists would tell Americans to stop funding aborition, isn't that an interference to internal affairs?
Just because we interact and use your techonology for a fee doesn't license you to come to our place and instigate our people to change our internal practices.
padukamahasari 1 month ago
@padukamahasari Actually I'd be grateful if foreign nations would make strong remarks on what happens to unborn babies or point out everything that abuses the weak and the voiceless.
What I don't get is why you feel so hostile towards _anyone_ who voice their concerns over the systematical and intentional abuse towards animals? An abuse that results in tremendous pain and horror and comes with a single purpose; to fill up your stomach for few hours? Is the abuse really worth it?
securitylover 1 month ago
@padukamahasari Judging by your posts you seem to want to go back a century of history abandoning everything the White Man stands for. You seem to want to live on an island totally isolated from the world. But ok, it seems you want to pick and choose from a smorgasbord what benefits you the most. If it's hi-tech and cool wheels you're all up for it. If it concerns what you put in your mouth you're vehemently against it. May I ask why this what-i-put-in-my-mouth thing is so Holy?
securitylover 1 month ago
@securitylovr Again I'm not arguing with you on Cruelty so don't ask me how because I don't oppose the method you want if it is available. If we have a stun gun we will use it.
You cannot avoid the carrot arguement.
You want to plant and eat carrot in your own country.
We want to raise dog for food in our own country.
What gives you the right to force us not to raise dog for food in our own home land?
Just because you have techmnological advantage don't give you the license to control us.
padukamahasari 1 month ago
@padukamahasari they never did the Mongols just wiped out the more highly advanced middle eastern civilizations in the past, and later on the so called Renaissance and the Industrial age kicked off giving the advantage that the Whitemen in Europe needed over the way less developed Asian countries. Thus, enslaving and destroying African, Asian and other continents civilisations and cultures with their greed
WipeoA 1 month ago
@WipeoA Very true. One forgotten aspect of history is how the Brits tried to impose their will on the Chinese by literally drugging them with opium. They promoted opium dens in the cities to induce the population to constantly stay weak and occupied with vices and subservient to their will. In a way the Mao's Communist rebellion was partly a reaction to the moral decay they have done to them. These Westerners has a lot of sins to society and now they are again instigating trouble in Asia
padukamahasari 1 month ago
@securitylover And about twisting issue, You and those Animal Activists are making it sound like we are promoting Cruelty. We are not arguing about cruelty. We don't oppose improvement of our slaughter method. What we are opposed are the unacceptable Insults made by animal activists like you in imposing your beliefs on us. We chose to eat dog like you chose to eat carrots. Our choices is none of your business.
padukamahasari 1 month ago
@padukamahasari Stop talking about carrots ok. Carrots have nothing to do with animal abuse.
Ok then, suggest the full scenario ; how to raise these dogs in a humane way, a humane transport and humane killing. I'm waiting.
securitylover 1 month ago
@padukamahasari You can't retract what you've written. We deserve death huh? Ok. Whatevah.
Those who are concerned with animal welfare do not say cattle or chicken industry are acceptable. And what gives YOU the right to abuse your animals?
Just because it happens within your country borders does not mean it is acceptable. You use lot of words protecting your culture from "foreigners" but not a single word on how to get rid of the cruelty that comes with the industry.
securitylover 1 month ago
@MissShowTheTru You can leave your dog alone but you can't tell Asians to leave their dog alone. It's their right to raise dogs for food in their own country.
If you can raise cows or carrots for food why can't they raise dogs for food?
His point about carrots and dog isn't about pain but about people being different from each other. No one has the right to impose on others. You eat carrots in your own land they eat dogs. What animal they eat at home is none of your business.
padukamahasari 2 months ago 12
@padukamahasari I feel that No One (no matter where they are from in the world) has the right to torture a creature that has the ability to feel fear & pain.. I am extremely upset by this torture of dogs, and I have the right to be upset, bcause I can see their unnessicary suffering. I am just expressing my pain and my belief that No One has the right to torture! I do not agree with the way cows are killed, or pigs etc. it has nothing to do with geography, I am defending the dogs
MissShowTheTruth 2 months ago
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@MissShowTheTruth So there are two issues. When it comes to torture you can probably intervene and send them modern equipments like stun guns etc so that they will no longer strungglulate their dog. Torture is not much in my own country, we kill our dogs quickly with a knife.
My only point is choice of food. What animal we chose to eat or Vietnamese, or Koreans chose to eat is their own business and they should not be judged for that.
padukamahasari 2 months ago
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padukamahasari 2 months ago
@padukamahasari When it comes to animal cruelty it's everybody's business and concern.
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@joypoPHDsoan Oh, is that so? So the level of intelligence should determine whether a being can possess rights or not? You may want to retract that statement before I bring in mentally challenged people, Alzheimer patients etc into the discussion. And I'm surprised you didn't know that animals form societies and social structures too.
securitylover 2 months ago
@securitylover You misunderstood. According to Philosophy, Human positive Law, Sociology, and many forms of social sciences and to add Religion and
Theology, Humans are higher than animals from the view point of humans for reasons i.e. Soul, Ability to govern etc. and Intelligence. As member of the human race we are bound to recognize Human Rights, but not bound to recognize animal rights.
The above principles are holding the peace other wise we will impose on each other.
joypoPHDsoan 2 months ago
@joypoPHDsoan Doesn't it strike you as strange that humans determined only humans should possess rights? And you have failed to notice that animal rights have gained recognition since the first words of philosophy were formed; the more we study and know about animals the more we recognize them as sentinent beings and their right to feel no discomfort, pain etc.
You also bring in religion, the Bible tells us Man should take good care of his animals. Cruelty is not accepted.
securitylover 2 months ago
@joypoPHDsoan Tip of the day: Try catching up some on the modern view of animal ethics. There are many strong proponents for animal ethics out there (e.g. Singer, Regan etc).
securitylover 2 months ago
As an Asian American I live by the American culture and I don't eat dog meat. But I cannot turn a blind eye on these despicable act of bullying done by my fellow Americans and Westerners forcing Filipinos and Asians to conform to US West Food choices. Live them alone and allow them to practice their custome in their own land freely.
joypoPHDsoan 2 months ago
@joypoPHDsoan - how sad that you didn't mention a thing about the cruelty involved. Instead, you try to turn it into some cultural domination or race thing. Those things are irrelevant. US practices on factory farms are also cruel and should be condemned, so will you now criticize me for being anti-American? The words "custom" or "tradition" do not justify continued ignorance and cruelty. Tradition justifies nothing.
AnimalRightsKorea 2 months ago
@joypoPHDsoan The criticicm against the dog meat industry comes from within. People who were shocked to find out how the dogs are treated. That is, S.Korea, Philippines, China etc. USA has nothing to do with it. Get over it please.
securitylover 2 months ago
@jitangoburka You ARE an animal. Take a biology class idiot. And learn some empathy for others, not just your Korean brothers.
rmp1809 4 months ago
@joypoPHDsoan Indeed you could be fighting your own brother if you listen to them. All Asians must unite to resist Western bullying. It will not do you any good to turn your back on your own people. Encourage them to stand for their own principle. You may not eat dog meat. I don't too. But we ought to protect our own people. We are one with them.
jitangoburka 6 months ago
@jitangoburka Do you have cars in your country? Do you resent them? Why do you use the internet? It's an American invention. Read carefully - Korea does n o t lose its identity for giving up the dog eating.
securitylover 6 months ago
@securitylover I don't resent Americans. I admire them. Like HO Chi Minh I'm a big fan of the writings of Patrick Henry, Jeferson and even Obama. But once they go out of their territory and put their nose on what is not within their business you can't help but defend the oppressed from tyranny. I trained with Americans in Anti Communist Propaganda in the 80's. They are very nice people within themselves. But I can't swallow how arrogant they are in looking down on other cultures.
jitangoburka 6 months ago
@jitangoburka It's tyranny to ask for a humane treatment of animals? Uh huh.
Uh huh, as if it's only Americans who raise their voices against the brutality. According to you, if Americans raise their voice they're putting their nose in other's business. If it's European it's a Western doctrine forced upon Asians. If voices are heard among Asians, they've been brainwashed by the West. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I hope you're happy living inside your tiny little bubble. Burst.
securitylover 6 months ago
@sec What you Americans failed to understand is that people all over the world has high regards for you. Even the Arabs and the Palestinians, the terrorists, admire your success. They would carry your luggage and light up your cigars. But what do you do in return? You tell them their culture is inferior, they must change to conform with yours. They are mistreating animals etc. You organize Animal groups that pit them to fight each other. They eat dog for thousands of years. You can't change that
jitangoburka 6 months ago
@jitangoburka To be honest, I'm tired of your anti-white-man propaganda, it makes me roll my eyes when you keep linking it with dog-eating as if they're related But go ahead, don't stop - But keep in mind that your efforts reveal to everyone sane reading your posts how dangerous and deep brainwashing goes, and how it, in the 21th century, is still blooming.
securitylover 6 months ago
@joypoPHDsoan Haha. You're an idiot. Animal lovers care about all animal. Just because this person focuses on dogs doesn't mean they wouldn't argue for chicken welfare. If you have a culture that cares nothing about its animal's pain, it's a stupid fucking culture. Are you insulted? Good.
rmp1809 4 months ago
@rmp1809 Hey moron, You have very poor reading comprehension. I'm refering to this AnimalRigthsKorea which focusses on Korean dog eating practices. It is founded by Westerners though they have local recruits.. They are behind those rallies about dog eating. Don't butt in on things you don't understand, you're making yourself look like a clown you idiot.
joypoPHDsoan 4 months ago
@joypoPHDsoan those dog eaters from korea are gays for eating dogs . I'm american and I support animal rights group in korea . damn dog eaters needa stop eating dogs cuz its disgusting of them to eat dogs dont those dog eaters know shame .
southkoreaeatsdogs 3 months ago
@southkoreaeatsdogs those beef eaters from USA are gays for eating beef. I'm Hindu and I believe Cows are Sacred animals . damn beef eaters needa stop eating beef cuz its disgusting of them to eat beef dont those beef eaters know shame .
Luckily a Hindu has much much higher mental capacity and education than you to understand the concept of Cultural Variance.
joypoPHDsoan 3 months ago
@joypoPHDsoan eating beef is normal cuz thats what we do in america . now eating dog is just primitive and savage and uncivilized . dogs were the first to be domesticated and they were used as a food source but they were also used for other reasons like hunting bigger game like deer and elk , they were used as guards to alert their owners and keep out intruders . they shared a comraderie with humans and thats a sacred bond thats why their mans best friend .
southkoreaeatsdogs 3 months ago
@southkorea You're funny. Eating beef is normal for you but surely is disgusting for Hindus. And just because Asians or Hindus have different beliefs than your own doesn't mean they are primitive or inferior. You only have your part of the world, you don't own it. Other cultures have their fair share of the world as well, you have to learn to respect that.
Cows feel pain, plow field. Just because they don't wag their tails doesn't unfairly make them inferior to dogs.
joypoPHDsoan 2 months ago
@joypoPHDsoan I'm asian american and cows dont plow rice fields its the water buffalo that do . cows are live stock and they dont do anything exept give us milk and their tasty flesh . hindu's worship cows cuz their worshipping sheva a blood thirty pagan god with 4 arms WTF . lol :)
southkoreaeatsdogs 2 months ago
@southkoreaeatsdogs So am I and I know for a fact that certain regions in my home province in the Philippines and in many regions in other Asian countries the Toro Cows are used for plowing though the primary choice were carabaos or water bufalos.
Filipinos and other Asians have the right to chose which animals they want to plow or they want for food in their own lands free from harrasment and humiliation by Western worshipping dog activists. Dog's life is not unfairly higher than a cow.
joypoPHDsoan 2 months ago
@joypoPHDsoan a dog can hunt , play fetch , track and sniff out drugs and thats why the police uses them , the us army uses dogs to sniff out land mines and bombs . dogs guard their homes and keep out intruders . dogs assist the disabled and dogs know how to get help like that shiba inu in Japan in 2004 there was an earth quake the shiba inu got the Japanese army to help find its owners . a cow cant do that or any other domesticated animal .
southkoreaeatsdogs 2 months ago
@southkoreae Science says Pigs are smarter, have sharper smell sensory and could do more intelligent task than dogs if only given the chance. Cows plow fields and built the first Rail Roads in all 4 continents. Horses fought and die along side men in war. Every animal has its own value and no one is unfairly higher than another. It's a matter of choice. Filipinos, Vietnamese other Asians chose to raise dog for food in their own land. It's their choice, its their business.
joypoPHDsoan 2 months ago
@joypoPHDsoan cows building railroads ? no way that was chinese people doing it in the 1800s .
southkoreaeatsdogs 2 months ago
@southkoreaeatsdogs Before the rail road tracks were laid a road has to be carved as early as 1700's and they used the strongest available animals among which, the Australian bull to pull the graders. The Chinese of 1800's were following these tracks, of course steam tractors were already available at that time.
joypoPHDsoan 2 months ago
@joypoPHDsoan so the cows just kill the grass on the road then I take it ?
southkoreaeatsdogs 2 months ago
@AnimalRightsKorea Agreed! Also, there are numerous laws regarding chicken keeping standards in the USA. I wonder how many laws Korea has about the humane care of dogs.
rmp1809 4 months ago
I want to break open that cage and say be free doggy's!
DutchGameForces 7 months ago
its gross we can still eat conscious beings so similar to us, when all of our nutritiounal needs are KNOWN to be met by specific plant sources
fecesforjesus420 7 months ago
Dumb Americans. They eat french fries everyday and they think french fries are vegetables. There are many healthy food that can make American kids skinny easier. Carrot, Tomato, fresh fruits and all those fresh vegetables.... yet they MUST have bigMac and french fries.
Leave it to fat ass to choose the most high fat food in the world to get fatter. Most of American (except some few) never lived more than 60 years cause they were always fat.
Mrgreatestfreakout 7 months ago 36
@Mrgreatestfreakout - um, yes, thanks for your views. But they have nothing to do with dog eating in Korea. Are you suggesting everyone should follow a vegetarian diet? If so, I'd agree with you.
pandaya 6 months ago
@pandaya dogs cats cows pigs horse whatever it is for man to decide. unless you're a vegan you have no case to stop filipinos from eating dog or to stop americans from eating beef.
jitangoburka 6 months ago
@jitangoburka - this is about the Korean dog meat trade, not filipinos. Everyone has a right to stop cruelty wherever they see it. Yes, I am a vegan, but even people who are not vegans can still stand up against cruelty wherever they see it, whether in Korea, the Philippines or the US. Just because you eat meat doesn't mean you can ignore cruelty, although it is typical for meat eaters to think they way. It's a kind of blindness.
pandaya 6 months ago
@pandaya Yeah cruelty is anyone's business. But it has to be fair. American slaughter houses too has been machine slashing pigs that are still semil conscious but alive. I understand you're a vegan. But those who are not vegan who are feasting on pork and beef has no case to stop others who are feasting on dog meat. Cows have feelings too.
jitangoburka 6 months ago
@jitangoburka In Philippines dog eating is banned. Illegal. You're saying you don't mind breaking the law? Google : dog meat trader jail Baguio
securitylover 6 months ago
@securitylover Yeah I've seen the videos. Filipinos are fighting back to overturned the ban. It's unfair to them. You got two guys there, first were charged with theft because the dog has collar. But the owner testified he sold the dog to them so they have no case. They then amend the law and charge them with Dog possesion for meat which is a new law. They've been jailed until they can pay 15000 pesos which is big money over there. Those guys have no criminal record and has family left behind.
jitangoburka 6 months ago
@jitangoburka So your argument seems to be as long as the offender has a family, it's okay for him to abuse animals and break the law?
If the offender has a family he should've picked a path that isn't illegal and immoral to earn his dollars. It's like selling drugs and buy your kids clothes for the money you earn. Immoral and illegal. Unfair to the guys you say but what about the abused animals? They have no say in this case?
securitylover 6 months ago
@Mrgreatestfreakout
WOW you are very ignorant not all Americans think like that. Retard.
bcroger2 5 months ago
sick people...
isdykelle 8 months ago
HERF their car battery itll die
clickthehungersite 8 months ago
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to nagative people
if indian says "don't eat cow! babarians" then will you never eat cow?
and korean that eating dog is minor
many dogs in south korea have very rich life haha
many koreans love dog as pet
but this killing way is wrong that's right
dhksrksalem 9 months ago
hypocrites
sunfeifei 11 months ago
Hopefully one day the young Korean generation will face the fact that this part of their "cuisine" / food culture is so retarded. Until then - damn those crazy low-life animal abusers! I hope the dogs sometimes bite back. And give them rabies.
Signing petitions does not have much effect... as effective one would think it'd be, crying out loud to politicians doesn't help, the only thing to wait for is a paradigm change.
securitylover 1 year ago
What can we do to help?
KatieLaree 1 year ago
@KatieLaree - thanks for your concern. It is very hard to eradicate the Korean dog meat industry because it's so entrenched and the Korean government is not interested in stopping it. However, you could help by raising awareness about it so more and more people know what is going on. This might lead to more international pressure. People can also write to Korean embassies in their countries and sign petitions. If you want to sign a petition, there's currently a link to one on KARA's front page.
AnimalRightsKorea 1 year ago
@AnimalRightsKorea You can never ever suppress a genuine tradition of a Free people.
You've become an instrument of US Western Cultural Imperialism. If you're problem is animal Cruelty then it applies to all kinds of animals not just dogs and the solution is to require humane slaughter method. But prohibiting people from chosing which animals they like to eat is an act of despicable tyranny.
Dog meat eaters must be free from harrasment and redicule. It's their right.
padukamahasari 7 months ago 16
@padukamahasari - you're repeating old cliches. KARA is run by Koreans and it is illogical to link the protection of animals with "Western imperialism." KARA is concerned about all animals, not just dogs. Cruelty towards animals cannot be justified by tradition--you're tradition argument is irrelevant. To say that it is tyranny for KARA to voice its opinion is laughable. A worse kind of tyranny is humans against animals, as shown in the video. It is morally wrong to treat animals this way.
AnimalRightsKorea 7 months ago 3
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securitylover 7 months ago
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securitylover 7 months ago
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securitylover 7 months ago
@padukamahasari Stop giving me the nonsense about cultural imperialism and give me ONE solid reason to continue the horrific and _deliberate_ torture that millions of dogs have to endure; born and raised in cages without floor, no water (yes, that's right - NO water!), fed with rotten food-waste (salty and spicy kimchi), forced out the cages when slaugther day is due, crammed inside tiny wire cages for hours' long transport, hung, beaten, or electrocuted to death. All worth protecting is it?
securitylover 7 months ago
@padukamahasari I note there isn't a single word on the abuse that is deliberately forced upon these dogs. And cultural imperialism? You mean your right to torture the dogs for You to eat? Failed to notice that increasing number of KOREANS vehemently are against this cruel industry? Oh, I am Korean by the way so I know your Western imperialism blabber argument is just another way to justify the horrible killings and an easy way to subdue the shred of conscience that may dwell deep inside you.
securitylover 7 months ago
@padukamahasari Not only dogs suffer. That is true. But acknowledge the fact that torture of dogs is d e l i b e r a t e. Cows, pigs, hen all suffer but with dogs it's actually different. And, uhm, is it a rule generated by you that goes ; We must first discuss cattle, hen, chicken, foie gras, whale, hunting, zoo's, fur, traps, strays before discussing dogs?
securitylover 6 months ago
@AnimalRightsKorea You sir has become a tool and instrument of Western Cultural Imperialism. There are no tyrants if there are no oppressed. Animals don't have rights. People have rights. Fight for Asian culture. Fight for Korean rights to chose their food.
If those were chicken in cages those were not cruelty? All animals are equal. Who the hell are you to tell people not to eat certain animals.
toneynguyen5 7 months ago
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securitylover 7 months ago
@toneynguyen5 You did know that those people who eat dog meat do it because of its "medicinal benefits"? Dr Dog Meat, a notorious quack, claims "Dog's heart cures depression. Dog's penis protects woman's private parts and remedies impotency. If a dog bites you, eat dog liver. Dog meat warms your knees" etc. Millions of dogs die because of the pseudo-science and lies. Do you insist on supporting the lies? Do you wish to join the 21century or cling on to what peasants believed when they knew less?
securitylover 7 months ago
@toneynguyen5 I guess you're one of those people who never missed a meal. Live to eat kind of guy. And never mind the deliberate torture and horrifying death of the animals ; as long as it's part of a culture, it must be protected at any price? And according to you, culture does not evolve.
Yes, that's actually your conclusion.
Funny, I thought it was a common knowledge that all culture are bound to evolve. Look at Catalonia, Spain and the bullfighting ban. Culture evolves.
securitylover 7 months ago
@toneynguyen5 - you're saying the same things as your friend, padukamahasari, which I answered already. It is showing the ugly side of Korean nationalism by linking it with dog eating. Some things in Asian culture are not worth fighting for because they are an embarrassment. Also, Korea's bad treatment of animals has brought shame and disgrace on the country. Korea's animal welfare is well below that of other civilized nations. Yes, if those were chickens in the cages, it would still be cruel.
AnimalRightsKorea 6 months ago