In Communion, the body is a Psilocybin "gold capped" mushroom and the blood is the "red" Aminita Muscaria mushroom. The mushroom is seedless, hence the virgin birth, often stems from cow dung, hence being born in a barn. The Holy spirit is the mushroom spores which are omnipresent and in all unregulated airspace on the planet, and the Father is the mycelium that the mushrooms spring from. Just research "Jesus is a Mushroom" and you will be amazed. Thanks friend
By the way you also didn't quote Cyprian you quoted a commentator from 1884 .Cyprian never said those words if you bothered to read the Letter you would Know that. So how many lies have I caught you in so far should anyone believe anything a Liar has to say. Also the Letter want written To Iubaianus, it was written to Pompey, Against the Epistle of Stephen About the Baptism of Heretics.
The RCC Was started by Constantine Yes ~~ but you still havent answered me my Pagan friend ~~ can a bible believer get Saved who like Muslims reject the Junk of the Pope & the Vatican ~~ Yes / No
@glizag I like to see you prove that nonsensical lie The RCC Was started by Constantine . I also find it funny that you use as catholic sources Bishops of the catholic church before Constantine talk about a nutcase who cant keep his lies starlight explain that one . using your own sources you prove yourself to be a liar ROFL
@martlut Here's the thing, dude. I'm not a Roman Catholic (not even close), but Constantine did not start the Roman Catholic Church. The whole Roman Catholic system developed over long ages. There really wasn't even a pope until the 6th century.
@martlut There wasn't even a single bishop in Rome until the middle of the 2nd century. Before that the Church at Rome was overseen by a plurality of elders.
The Oxford Dictionary of Popes, J.N.D. Kelly and A Concise History of The Catholic Church (written by a Catholic priest) both support my claim. What is your source?
@saintoccasionally Kelly is an Anglican scholar-priest not a castholic and we know how the angelican felt about the catholioc church now dont we Like I said history
@martlut You're not reading Kelly close enough. Nor are you reading your own historians closely enough. Thomas Boekenkotter, Raymond Brown, etc...At any rate, the papacy developed over time. If you can't see that then you aren't looking.
@saintoccasionally I especailly Like how he probves Peter was the First Pope and in Rome you might wqant to read him instead of copying some BS post that has never read Him by the way its a dictionary not a disortaion on history LOL
@glizag nope I agree to bad as usual you never have read what the Church has said and take you put of context undocumented Bs to try to proved your idiotic point
@martlut AWW you disappoint me my pagan friend ~~ dont you accept anything about RCC or everything ~~ & you still wont tell me how Muslims get Saved in the RCC WHEN THEY REJECT EVERYTHING ABOUT ITS HERETIC TEACHINGS
"Outside the Church nobody will be saved. (Extra ecclesiam nemo salvatur)" (Origen, In Jesu Nave hom. 3,5)
Cyprian, another third century Church Father, wrote something similar: "Outside the Church there is no salvation." (Salus extra ecclesiam non est)" (Cyprian of Carthage, Epistle 73, To Iubaianus, n.21, Migne: Patrologiae Cursus completus. Series prima Latina, Parisiis; 1844)
"Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and entire, he will without a doubt perish in eternity. . . This is the Catholic faith' unless everyone believes this faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved." (Denzinger 39, 30)
@martlut WOW why wont you tell me how Muslims who reject RCC can be saved WHEN THEY REFUSE TO BELIEVE THE RUBBISH YOU DO ~~ How can they be Saved I ASK
@glizag They can be saved the same way the Morons in the SDA church can be saved you supposed read up on No salvation outside the catholic church what does it say about those outside the faith and how they can be saved mr expert on the catholic faith. You should be quite familiar with it shouldn't you or didn't The SDA supply you with those facts
"Outside the Church nobody will be saved. (Extra ecclesiam nemo salvatur)" (Origen, In Jesu Nave hom. 3,5)
Cyprian, another third century Church Father, wrote something similar: "Outside the Church there is no salvation." (Salus extra ecclesiam non est)" (Cyprian of Carthage, Epistle 73, To Iubaianus, n.21, Migne: Patrologiae Cursus completus. Series prima Latina, Parisiis; 1844)
@glizag By the way why are you quoting Origin according to your SDA BS the catholic Church was started until Constantine Origen was before Constantine so now you say their was a catholic church before then guess you cant keep your lies straight in that hell hole of yours
@glizag In your case your on your way to hell no salvation for you By the way I do agree with no salvation outside the Church which also states that even morons can be saved because of their stupidity
@glizag yup evem muslims can be saved even those Lying SDA members no contradiction at all just feeble minded dolts who put God in a box although Ellen white says he lives on Jupiter with Enoch
We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff. Pope Boniface 7th
Into this fold of Jesus Christ no man may enter unless he be led by the Sovereign Pontiff, and only if they be united to him can men be saved. Pope John 23rd
Those who are obstinate toward the authority of the Church and the Roman Pontiff... cannot obtain eternal salvation. Pope Pius IX
@glizag well apparently your so called general quotes are form a bunch of general Liars which they have in common with Ellen White. Apparently you have never looked them up but why do such a thing since they would prove you to be a fraud Just Ike your wacky JP2 Quote
@martlut I asked you a simple question ~~ do you or dont you believe there is salvation outside of the RCC ~~ its an easy question ~~ can I get saved if I reject RCC or not & why not
(abuses of the practice were previously condemned in Council in 1215, 1245, 1274 and 1312). But Martin Luther went beyond a critique of the abuse of indulgences, and declared the entire practice null and void and contrary to the Bible.
Did Jesus say to Peter Get across to Rome & set up a headquarters & call it the Vatican {Divining Serpent} now get yourself some very expensive clothes & make sure that you have a nice throne to sit upon charge money to those who U convert for the privilege of getting indulgences set up a eucharist & make it mandatory to attend it Get yourself a long flowing dress & red shoes travel around in a gilded coach & wave to the people who come to see you
@martlut What has that got to do with these quotes I think Ellen G White was as much in error as every pope that ever ruled & I think she was a false prophet like Your Pope
Your real god is Martin Luther. Martin Luter on Jesus Christ being ONE TRUE MEDIATOR:
“Christ committed adultery first of all with the women at the well about whom St. John tell’s us. Was not everybody about Him saying: ‘Whatever has He been doing with her?’ Secondly, with Mary Magdalen, and thirdly with the women taken in adultery whom He dismissed so lightly. Thus even, Christ who was so righteous, must have been guilty of fornication before He died.”
IS THIS THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH ~~ DOESNT EVEN KNOW WHAT ROMANS 5:1 is TALKING ABOUT ~~ FOLKS YOU CAN SEE IT YOURSELF TONIGHT ~~ THIS GUY DOESNT KNOW WHAT HES TALKING ABOUT ~~ I FEEL SOORY FOR THE WAY HE WENT DOWN IN FLAMES TONIGHT
@spiritring YES ~~ because YOU WONT TELL ME WHAT ROMANS 5:1 is teaching ~~ DO U WANT TO AT LEAST TRY TO UNDERSTAND IT ~~ I WANT TO HEAR U EXPOUND THAT VERSE CMON U CAN DO IT
FOLKS THIS IS FUNNY STUFF THIS BIBLE IGNORAMAUS ~~ DOES NOT REALLY BELIEVE THE BIBLE Because he doesnt know Scripture ~~ he trusts in Popes who tell him that Oral Tradition is Equal ~~ so the Bible in this guys head is not Of Much Value ULESS HE QUTES Matt 16 : 18 To support hBENNY IN ROME ~~ ITS A BIG JOKE
FOLKS HE DOESNT EVEN KNOW ROMANS 5:1 IF HE DID HE WOULD TELL ME WHAT ITS TALKING ABOUT ~~ THIS GUY IS A BIBLICAL IGNORAMAUS ~~ HAS NO CLUE ~~ BUT JUST SPEWS OUT VATICAN RETERIC ~~ HE WONT EVEN ANSWER A SIMPLE QUESTION ~~ TELLS ME A LOT ABOUT HIM
MAN THIS IS FUNNY STUFF I ASKED THIS PAGAN PERSON WHAT SAVES~~ He cant tell U ++ the Eucarist in RCC is a Joke ~~ It cannot save my dead granny ~~ man this is funny stuff
Can you focus? The only verse where Sola Fide(meaning, where faith AND ALONE gets together) comes up is the James 2:24 - a man is justified by works and not by FAITH ALONE.
@spiritring I SIMPLY ASKED TO TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE VERSES THAT I SENT YOU MEAN IN CATHOLICISMS EYES ~~ YOU HAVE AVOIDED SO FAR DOING THAT.
YOU JUST TALK AROUND THE TOPIC BUT NEVER ANSWER DIRECTLY
YOU ADMIT salvation is a gift so why does anyone need to earn it by sacraments if GOD gives it as a gift to those who trust in Christs Finished work alone.
Here is faith ALONE ~~ Acts 16 : 31 # 31 BELIEVE which = Trust which = Faith ~~ watch now Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & thou SHALT BE SAVED
ONCE AGAIN ~~ U are saved BY GRACE = Gods unmerited favour to the hell bound UNDESERVING SINNER ~~ Through FAITH ~~ or trusting alone in the merits of Christs finished work on Calvary ~~ are you that dim & brainwashed that you cannot understand these great truths
@glizag It says, Justified by faith NOT faith ALONE. Salvation is a gift but it doesn't say SOLA FIDE or faith ALONE!!!! Reading between the lines as always.
"But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” - according to Romans you're going to be judge according to what you've DONE which are WORKS!
@spiritring JUSTIFIED = DECLARED RIGHTEOUS BY FAITH THERE IS NOTHING ELSE MENTIONED HERE IN BEING JUSTIFIED ~~ So if Salvation is a free gift then its UNEARNABLE ~~ since its FREE GET IT.
OK Matthew 7 : talks about people presenting their good works to the Lord as they seek ADMISSION to heaven ~They class them as MANY WONDERFUL WORKS ~~but Christ rejects those works ~ & calls them WORKS OF INIQUITY They were cast out of his presence & their Wonderful works were rejected NOW TELL ME about Rom 4:5
@spiritring HAHAHAHAHAHA ~~ SAVED BY GRACE NOT OF WORKS Eph 2:8-9 Now what do you do
Faith alone WAS NOT ANSWERED AS IN Acts 16:30 # 31 Neither was Romans 4:5 WATCH FRIEND
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. IS THIS FAITH ALONE WITHOUT WORKS
I Think it is ~~ YOU STILL WONT RESPOND to the verse I gave you to expound to me ~~ I think all in this room can see YOUR flip flopping around & NOT ANSWERING the questions
@glizag You jut read between the lines. It's even weak what you're arguing. Some protestants would argue that faith comes with work AUTOMATICALLY which is even fallacious. You however says COMPLETELY faith WITHOUT works. and listen to where it says:
@spiritring You still wont respond to the verses I gave you ~~ you refuse to expound anything I gave you ~~ you refuted nothing I gave you ~~ your way out is to hop all over the bible to try prove something that isnt true
I ask You once more TO EXPOUND THE VERSES I GAVE YOU ~~ otherwise you dont have a leg to stand on
Now What is it to be ~~ FAITH JUSTIFIES Romans 5:1, SAVED BY GRACE Eph 2:8 # 9 NOT OF WORKS ~~ Salvation is a gift Rom 6:23 ~~ EXPLAIN THESE VERSES TO ME & STOP TALKING RUBBISH
@spiritring WATCH ARE YOU REALLY THAT DIM ~~ Acts 16 : 30 # 31 YOU WATCHING
BELIEVE IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST and THOU SHALT be SAVED ~~ U still watching ~~ Believe = TRUST TRUST = FAITH ~~ so to Trust alone or believe alone or to have alone SAVES ~~ ST PAUL
You still wont expound the Verses I gave you ~~ MAN I THINK U ARE LOSING BADLY
If Grace is a Gift then it cannot be earned ~~ & no church can Save ~~ why do I need your System WHEN I AM SAVED according to Paul By Trusting in Christ ALONE
@spiritring WATCH WHAT MUST I DO TO BE SAVED ~~ NO CHURCH THERE~~ AGAIN ACTS 16:30 #31 BELIEVE IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED ~~ YOU JUST DENIED THAT
So according to YOu WHAT MUST I DO TO BE SAVED
Lets hear You
Do I Need statues Popes Priests ~~ or do I simply need to TRUST OR HAVE FAITH IN ~~ Christs finished work On Calvary
YOU AGAIN ~~ WILL NOT RESPOND to the Verses I gave You ~~ You are beginning to look IDIOTIC IN THIS ROOM
HE CANT DO IT ~~ THE FLIP FLOPPER Rejects Acts 16 : 30 - 31 BELIEVE = Trust ~~ THEN Trust = Faith ~~ is this talking about Faith Alone?? FAITH IN CHRISTS FINISHED WORK ~~ thats what Saves No Church Saves No Pope Saves No prayers Saves No Masses Save Priests Cant Save Rosaries are USELESS Unbloody Sacrifices are Useless SAVED BY GRACE WITHOUT A FILTHY SYSTEM LIKE CATHOLICISM I THINK RE READ SCRIPTURE & Find out what Saves friend And it not works As already Proven in Matthew 7 READ IT
@glizag It is finished work but how can the souls of the dead be saved in the old testament where it have not happened yet. Where in the Bible says that God is limited one place at a time?:
John 6:35-71 - Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist
"IDIOTIC IN THIS ROOM" I've repeated to you to watch your protestant mouth from showing
All you care about is trying to look smart NOT trying to be Honest about the true Church.
You only looked more like an indoctrinated infidel.
Haven't you caught this from Lumen Gentium I quoted recently:
This however it to be SO UNDERSTOOD that it takes NOTHING away, or adds NOTHING to the dignity and EFFICACY of CHRIST the ONE Mediator. For no creature can ever be put on the SAME LEVEL with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer...."
Your quoting is over you lying hard headed bigot. The Catholic Church DOES NOT WORSHIP MARY! The myth that "Catholic is pagan" WAS ALSO refuted.
@glizag REALLY? Your very first comment, you've been showing your indoctrination all around you learned from your fellow departed christian. You're just trying justify those NO AUTHORITY NON ORDAINED NON APPOINTED prejudice amateur pastors you have. You even have no source and I can't find ANY quotes of you from the EARLY christian fathers. LYING BIGOTRY AND HYPOCRISY EXPOSED.
@glizag Just bigoted. You've been caught lying your ass so much I can only find those MADE UP quotes on those protestant anti EARLY CHRISTIAN FATHER sites. If you can't give the proper materials you really have no credentials and has information dyslexia.
@glizag I love your Phony quotes History of the Christian Church by Henry Sheldon ~ Page 59. Pope Pius 9th
That pope isn't even mentioned in the entire Book . As for JP he never said it . That hopper was the invention of the "reporter" DON A SCHANCHE who offered the "... come to me" line. Again, typical reporting on religious (especially Catholic) topics. He was commenting on Reconciliatio et Paenitentia" -- this quote doesn't exist unless you use a pair of scissors and some scotch tape
@glizag (Mathew 25) completely demolish your Sola Fide. also in (Romans Chapter 2), especiailly the common refutation of you James 2. You've contradicted scripture ITSELF. You've been built like that by your own hoax ass protestant denomination.
@spiritring TELL ME WHAT EPH 2:8 = 9 MEANS & Romans 4@5 & Titus 3:5=7 & Romans 5:1 & Romans 6:23 I HAVE YET TO HEAR YOU EXPOUND ON THOSE TEXTS ~~ WITHOUT JUMPING INTO JAMES 2
I tried to send a message to your inbox in order to stop clogging up the room ~~ but you have it blocked & only accessable to your friends ~~ otherwise I could give a detailed exegesis on everything you objected to.
@glizag ah yeah... reading between the lines... where does it says : "faith ALONE" eg Sola Scriptura. This is one of those popularly debunked junk that you've been indoctrinated about.
@spiritring Saved by Grace through Faith ~ Faith is the channel & Grace is the means its a gift of God ~~ not of Works ~~ Eph 2:8=9 & Romans 5:1 Therefore BEING JUSTIFIED ( Declared not guilty) by God~ we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ (Not through a pagan system like RCC)
Then try Romans 4:5 & Titus 3:5-7 & Romans 6:23 etc etc ~# Again let me repeat Saved by Grace through faith ~ Faith being the channel & Grace being the means ~ it easy to understand if U take off RCC glasses
Let's get back on the true indoctrinated religious hypocrite here:
You claimed that Traditions is NOW scripture. GLEAMINGLY!!! GLEAMINGLY!!!!!, Where in the Bible could you find the piece of SOLA SCRIPTURA TEACHING that ONLY had been created by protestants several hundred years after Jesus? I suggest there is NOTHING that says something like:
"Scripture replaces Tradition" or "Scripture SUBSTITUTES Tradition".
Another reading-between-the-lines argument. You're the ones contradicting the Bible
@spiritring I guess the teachings of Paul dont count Romans 5:1 & lots more all rejected by catholicism
Do You take Romans 5:1 at face value or the Pope have to interpret it for you?
I have lots of Texts that RCC would reject from scripture ~# that is one of the reasons that they bring in oral tradition & to validate their anti biblical teachings ~~ wake up my friend
THIS, HOWEVER,, is to be so understood that it NEITHER takes away from nor adds anything to the dignity and EFFICACIOUSNESS of Christ the ONE Mediator. (PT 3 END)
By her maternal charity, she cares for the brethren of her Son, who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and cultics, until they are led into the happiness of their true home. Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked by the Church under the titles of Advocate, Auxiliatrix, Adjutrix, and Mediatrix. (PT 2)
62. This maternity of Mary in the order of grace began with the consent which she gave in faith at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, and lasts until The eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this salvific duty, but by her constant intercession continued to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation.(PT 1)
Leo XIII, Jucunda Semper, 1894: "When Mary offered herself completely to God together with her Son in the temple, she was already sharing with him the painful atonement on behalf of the human race ... (at the foot of cross) she willingly offered him up to the divine justice, dying with him in her heart, pierced by the sword of sorrow."
THIS IS INSANE FALSE TEACHING UTTERLY INSANE ~~ If people trust this junk then they would believe anything that this filthy System tells them to believe RUBBISH
Leo XIII, Jucunda Semper, 1894: "When Mary offered herself completely to God together with her Son in the temple, she was already sharing with him the painful atonement on behalf of the human race ... (at the foot of cross) she willingly offered him up to the divine justice, dying with him in her heart, pierced by the sword of sorrow."
THIS IS INSANE FALSE TEACHING UTTERLY INSANE ~~ If people trust this junk then they would believe anything that this filthy System tells them to believe RUBBISH
Spiritring The foundation of all our confidence is found in the Blessed Virgin Mary. God has committed to her the treasury of all good things, in order that everyone may know that through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is His will: That we obtain everything through Mary." Pope Pius IX
"Sinners receive pardon by the intercession of Mary alone." St. John Chrysostom
I wonder is Mary considered more than just Mediatrix according to this JUNK
@glizag hahaha, who gave you the copy of the early CHRISTIAN CHURCH fathers? I suppose it was your indoctrinated parents who built you in that pitiable old fashioned bigoted bitter style of anti - christian/ anti-catholic prejudice. OR you don't even have the copies of these. What gives you utter right to create straw man of READING between the lines. None! I'm gonna point out the
Vatican II Dogmatic Constitution on the Church (Lumen Gentium) continued..
@spiritring Well I call that response a NON ANSWER ~~ I am simply asking do you agree with those quotes or not at face value ~ That would be a yes ot a no.
PS MY PARENTS WERE CATHOLICS ~~ so why bring them into this chat ~~ have you nothing better to offer
Being a Catholic does not mean one is a Christian ~~ maybe U would define Christian for me.
I guess 2nd Timothy 3 : 14-17 dont matter when it teaches Sola Scriptura or Acts 17:11, or 1st Cor 4:6 etc etc.
And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.
So if you are told not to go beyond that which is written then where does it put the RCC anti biblical dogma of ORAL Tradition NO WHERE.
Just as I thought. You've got those lot's of anti catholic literature in the form of Jack Chick's comic books.
That kind of stuff is very easy to get online and they can read and feel smarter than Catholics, which seems more important than being honest about Catholicism.
a lot of anti Catholics are just ex Catholics who seem very insecure and conflicted about their departure from the Church.
@spiritring You are a funny guy & a foul mouthed unsaved Pagan that trusts in a System of NO HOPE & believes all the statements from your LUNATIC POPES.
I never once mentioned Jack Chick NOW DID I??
But you wont tell me if you agree with those quotes or Not ~~ you just run your mouth hoping that no one notices that you remained MUTE when asked.
elaborating on EX RCs does not answer the question NOW DOES IT?
You be honest about RCC & SIMPLY TELL ME HOW IT CAN SAVE ONE LOST SOUL OTHERWISE BE MUTE
@spiritring John Paul II, Dives in Misericordia, 1980, quoting Lumen Gentium, "In fact, by being assumed into heaven she has not laid aside the office of salvation but by the manifold intercession she continues to obtain for us the grace of eternal salvation."
God has entrusted the keys and treasures of heaven to Mary." Thomas Aquinas
"Holy Scripture was written to Mary, about Mary, and on account of Mary." St. Bernard
Utter Rubbish ~~ Christ alone is the Saviour Mary cannot save anyone
@glizag I was getting into ANTI-CATHOLIC/ANTI-EARLY-CHRISTIAN-FATHERS site every single time you quote unreliable made quotes. I haven't even found if this were really authentic quotes. Here is the real quote:
"The faithful also cherish the firm belief, supported by long experience, that all those who seek Mary's protection will be saved for all eternity." (Pope Benedict XV),
@spiritring So you dont agree with Lumen Gentium, or Thomas Aquinas, or St Bernard
Or "No one ever finds Christ but with and through Mary. Whoever seeks Christ apart from Mary seeks Him in vain." St. Bonaventure ~~ you now are denying what was quoted, & then your name calling tells me how good a Rman Catholic YOU REALLY ARE.
For as St. Irenaeus says, she 'has become the cause of salvation for the whole human race" MARY WOW
So do you agree with these quotes Ive got lots if U want them
@spiritring So you dont agree with Lumen Gentium, or Thomas Aquinas, or St Bernard
Or "No one ever finds Christ but with and through Mary. Whoever seeks Christ apart from Mary seeks Him in vain." St. Bonaventure ~~ you now are denying what was quoted, & then your name calling tells me how good a Rman Catholic YOU REALLY ARE.
For as St. Irenaeus says, she 'has become the cause of salvation for the whole human race" MARY WOW
So do you agree with these quotes Ive got lots if U want them
@spiritring So you dont agree with Lumen Gentium, or Thomas Aquinas, or St Bernard
Or "No one ever finds Christ but with and through Mary. Whoever seeks Christ apart from Mary seeks Him in vain." St. Bonaventure ~~ you now are denying what was quoted, & then your name calling tells me how good a Rman Catholic YOU REALLY ARE.
For as St. Irenaeus says, she 'has become the cause of salvation for the whole human race" MARY WOW
So do you agree with these quotes Ive got lots if U want them
I'll point out a major flaw here. This video is ONLY correct on citing few figural speeches in the Bible but what about the literals subjects: Jesus is the Son of Man or Jesus performing miracles. The video has no point. The Bible is composed with both metaphorical AND LITERAL literature. IT is it's own necessity. Showing one figural structure does not imply that others are the same.
In the year 1087 AD Pope Victor 3rd was poisoned while serving Mass, its the funniest example of the false doctrine of Transubstantiation on record Pope Victor Consecrated the Chalice and the host so according to Papal dogma the bread and wine are no longer bread & wine but the body and blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, after he consecrated the Chalice he drank it and dropped down dead POISONED so obviously the poison in the wine did not change like RCs were led to believe ~ Mass is a hoax
@glizag do you believe that tradition brought about the Bible and that the Bible itself is seen through the lenses of tradition: baptism, apostolic ordinance, reconciliation and the rest.
@spiritring Oral tradition was used first then it was scripturized ~~ what traditions were not scripturized ~~ unless you want to make the claim that Papal traditions are as inspired as scripture. ++ there is no tradition that was taught by the apostles that was not later written down ~~ if you can find me one tell me what it is and where can I source it
@glizag i scratch my head on what you're trying to say. Don't you see AtheistWoman? It's very odd that you share common weak assumptions about the subject. Of course they're written down. Even your pastors are subject and imitate such traditions. You even ask them to pray for you which is the same analogy on us asking saints to pray and intercede for us. What do you believe?
THE POPES
Peter, ST, APOSTLE (d. c.64). The
from Kelly
martlut 2 weeks ago
There seems to be a real
need for such a papal Who's Who, not least in view of the extraordinary
popular attention the papacy has increasingly attracted since at any rate the
election of Pope John XXIII; and I therefore decided, perhaps rashly, to
attempt to supply one. quote from your kelly
martlut 2 weeks ago
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In Communion, the body is a Psilocybin "gold capped" mushroom and the blood is the "red" Aminita Muscaria mushroom. The mushroom is seedless, hence the virgin birth, often stems from cow dung, hence being born in a barn. The Holy spirit is the mushroom spores which are omnipresent and in all unregulated airspace on the planet, and the Father is the mycelium that the mushrooms spring from. Just research "Jesus is a Mushroom" and you will be amazed. Thanks friend
Nicklas07 3 weeks ago
Get behind me Satan! You're cherry picking scripture for your own demonic purposes.
Doctrinenforcer 2 months ago
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By the way you also didn't quote Cyprian you quoted a commentator from 1884 .Cyprian never said those words if you bothered to read the Letter you would Know that. So how many lies have I caught you in so far should anyone believe anything a Liar has to say. Also the Letter want written To Iubaianus, it was written to Pompey, Against the Epistle of Stephen About the Baptism of Heretics.
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LOOK I have to go out Now ~~ but if you are back later we can chat again ~~ until then CIAO
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag yea I know you have to go same ol line
martlut 3 months ago
Same goes for Cyprian
martlut 3 months ago
The RCC Was started by Constantine Yes ~~ but you still havent answered me my Pagan friend ~~ can a bible believer get Saved who like Muslims reject the Junk of the Pope & the Vatican ~~ Yes / No
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag I like to see you prove that nonsensical lie The RCC Was started by Constantine . I also find it funny that you use as catholic sources Bishops of the catholic church before Constantine talk about a nutcase who cant keep his lies starlight explain that one . using your own sources you prove yourself to be a liar ROFL
martlut 3 months ago
@martlut Here's the thing, dude. I'm not a Roman Catholic (not even close), but Constantine did not start the Roman Catholic Church. The whole Roman Catholic system developed over long ages. There really wasn't even a pope until the 6th century.
saintoccasionally 2 weeks ago
@saintoccasionally Here’s the thing Dude you don’t have a clue and are complete Ignoramuses on the subject
martlut 2 weeks ago
@martlut Alright, maybe so. Care to document your claims?
saintoccasionally 2 weeks ago
@saintoccasionally yea its called history
martlut 2 weeks ago
@martlut What fact or facts of history are you talking about in particular?
saintoccasionally 2 weeks ago
@saintoccasionally There really wasn't even a pope until the 6th century. Tell that to the 52 popes before the 6th century
martlut 2 weeks ago
@martlut There wasn't even a single bishop in Rome until the middle of the 2nd century. Before that the Church at Rome was overseen by a plurality of elders.
The Oxford Dictionary of Popes, J.N.D. Kelly and A Concise History of The Catholic Church (written by a Catholic priest) both support my claim. What is your source?
saintoccasionally 2 weeks ago
@saintoccasionally Kelly is an Anglican scholar-priest not a castholic and we know how the angelican felt about the catholioc church now dont we Like I said history
martlut 2 weeks ago
@saintoccasionallyThe Oxford Dictionary of Popes, J.N.D. Kelly Clement I (c.91-c.101) Taken from his list and he was in rome LOL
martlut 2 weeks ago
@saintoccasionally I began
exploring the obscure emergence of one-man episcopacy at Rome Boy that Kelly seems like you and Kelly are at odds
martlut 2 weeks ago
@saintoccasionally To early writers like Clement of
Rome (c.95) yup that kelly guess you didnt read it did ya lol
martlut 2 weeks ago
@saintoccasionally you might want to reaad some of his referances LINUS, ST (c.66-c.78). According to the
earliest succession lists of bishops of Rome,
passed down by Irenaeus of Lyons (c. 180)
and Hegesippus (c. 160) and attested by the
historian Eusebius (c.260-c340), he was
entrusted with his office by the Apostles
martlut 2 weeks ago
@martlut You're not reading Kelly close enough. Nor are you reading your own historians closely enough. Thomas Boekenkotter, Raymond Brown, etc...At any rate, the papacy developed over time. If you can't see that then you aren't looking.
saintoccasionally 2 weeks ago
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@saintoccasionallyPlease not reading him carfully enough you might want to reaad some of his referances LINUS, ST (c.66-c.78). According to the
earliest succession lists of bishops of Rome,
passed down by Irenaeus of Lyons (c. 180)
and Hegesippus (c. 160) and attested by the
historian Eusebius (c.260-c340), he was
entrusted with his office by the Apostles
martlut 2 weeks ago
@saintoccasionally I especailly Like how he probves Peter was the First Pope and in Rome you might wqant to read him instead of copying some BS post that has never read Him by the way its a dictionary not a disortaion on history LOL
martlut 2 weeks ago
@martlut You're not reading what he (and the rest of history) actually says. This is fruitless. I'm done.
saintoccasionally 2 weeks ago
@saintoccasionally please you proved yourself to be wrong with your first source you never read as well as your other sources
martlut 2 weeks ago
@glizag the Roman Catholic Church was not started by Constantine.
Grgory58 3 months ago
SO YOU CONTRADICT ALL THIS JUNK OK
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag nope I agree to bad as usual you never have read what the Church has said and take you put of context undocumented Bs to try to proved your idiotic point
martlut 3 months ago
@martlut AWW you disappoint me my pagan friend ~~ dont you accept anything about RCC or everything ~~ & you still wont tell me how Muslims get Saved in the RCC WHEN THEY REJECT EVERYTHING ABOUT ITS HERETIC TEACHINGS
glizag 3 months ago
"Outside the Church nobody will be saved. (Extra ecclesiam nemo salvatur)" (Origen, In Jesu Nave hom. 3,5)
Cyprian, another third century Church Father, wrote something similar: "Outside the Church there is no salvation." (Salus extra ecclesiam non est)" (Cyprian of Carthage, Epistle 73, To Iubaianus, n.21, Migne: Patrologiae Cursus completus. Series prima Latina, Parisiis; 1844)
glizag 3 months ago
"Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and entire, he will without a doubt perish in eternity. . . This is the Catholic faith' unless everyone believes this faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved." (Denzinger 39, 30)
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag yup hold to the Catholic Faith the Church founded By Christ not some Clown who fly's around the Universe with spirit guides
martlut 3 months ago
@martlut WOW why wont you tell me how Muslims who reject RCC can be saved WHEN THEY REFUSE TO BELIEVE THE RUBBISH YOU DO ~~ How can they be Saved I ASK
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag They can be saved the same way the Morons in the SDA church can be saved you supposed read up on No salvation outside the catholic church what does it say about those outside the faith and how they can be saved mr expert on the catholic faith. You should be quite familiar with it shouldn't you or didn't The SDA supply you with those facts
martlut 3 months ago
"Outside the Church nobody will be saved. (Extra ecclesiam nemo salvatur)" (Origen, In Jesu Nave hom. 3,5)
Cyprian, another third century Church Father, wrote something similar: "Outside the Church there is no salvation." (Salus extra ecclesiam non est)" (Cyprian of Carthage, Epistle 73, To Iubaianus, n.21, Migne: Patrologiae Cursus completus. Series prima Latina, Parisiis; 1844)
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag By the way why are you quoting Origin according to your SDA BS the catholic Church was started until Constantine Origen was before Constantine so now you say their was a catholic church before then guess you cant keep your lies straight in that hell hole of yours
martlut 3 months ago
Dont you not believe that there is no Salvation outside of the RCC or not?
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag In your case your on your way to hell no salvation for you By the way I do agree with no salvation outside the Church which also states that even morons can be saved because of their stupidity
martlut 3 months ago
@martlut So its a contradiction ~~ utterly ~~ Can muslims be saved that Reject ever thing about Christianity or not
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag yup evem muslims can be saved even those Lying SDA members no contradiction at all just feeble minded dolts who put God in a box although Ellen white says he lives on Jupiter with Enoch
martlut 3 months ago
We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff. Pope Boniface 7th
Into this fold of Jesus Christ no man may enter unless he be led by the Sovereign Pontiff, and only if they be united to him can men be saved. Pope John 23rd
Those who are obstinate toward the authority of the Church and the Roman Pontiff... cannot obtain eternal salvation. Pope Pius IX
THIS IS ALL JUNK TEACHING & Utter Heresy
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag Oh more of your quotes without reference I see noting like you SDA liars
martlut 3 months ago
@martlut Dont you even believe those quotes ~~ There are out there in the general writings for all to look up
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag well apparently your so called general quotes are form a bunch of general Liars which they have in common with Ellen White. Apparently you have never looked them up but why do such a thing since they would prove you to be a fraud Just Ike your wacky JP2 Quote
martlut 3 months ago
@martlut I asked you a simple question ~~ do you or dont you believe there is salvation outside of the RCC ~~ its an easy question ~~ can I get saved if I reject RCC or not & why not
glizag 3 months ago
(abuses of the practice were previously condemned in Council in 1215, 1245, 1274 and 1312). But Martin Luther went beyond a critique of the abuse of indulgences, and declared the entire practice null and void and contrary to the Bible.
spiritring 3 months ago
Did Jesus say to Peter Get across to Rome & set up a headquarters & call it the Vatican {Divining Serpent} now get yourself some very expensive clothes & make sure that you have a nice throne to sit upon charge money to those who U convert for the privilege of getting indulgences set up a eucharist & make it mandatory to attend it Get yourself a long flowing dress & red shoes travel around in a gilded coach & wave to the people who come to see you
Demand they obey you or they burn THIS IS RCC
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag Maybe Peter should have Spoke with Ellen white on the Planet Jupiter and setup His headquarters with those Giant Jupiter People..
martlut 3 months ago
@martlut What has that got to do with these quotes I think Ellen G White was as much in error as every pope that ever ruled & I think she was a false prophet like Your Pope
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag what do you phony quotes have to do with the catholic church
martlut 3 months ago
more like MediaACTOR of playboy comic book
spiritring 3 months ago
continued:
That's even WAY lesser than Catholics treating Mary as Mediatrix of all grace. That's MediaActor of pornography
Theyve put in this hypocrite Martine Luther as their ONE TRUE MEDIATOR between human and God.
spiritring 3 months ago
Your real god is Martin Luther. Martin Luter on Jesus Christ being ONE TRUE MEDIATOR:
“Christ committed adultery first of all with the women at the well about whom St. John tell’s us. Was not everybody about Him saying: ‘Whatever has He been doing with her?’ Secondly, with Mary Magdalen, and thirdly with the women taken in adultery whom He dismissed so lightly. Thus even, Christ who was so righteous, must have been guilty of fornication before He died.”
Are you killing me? continued
spiritring 3 months ago
Justification by faith alone and eternal security refuted
watch?v=adqOO1BIJDo
The gleaming bigot on inside the indoctrinated kid gets exposed.
I don't blame him from being brainwashed by lies about Catholicsm.
Justifying no authority, no salvation, no ordained seventh day adventist pastors
spiritring 3 months ago
Justification By Faith Alone Refuted
watch?v=QcmZQS3y81E
spiritring 3 months ago
That one did not watch this
"sola fide heresy refuted in psalm 106" - watch?v=PTqytyDeIwc
folks she kept battling like AtheistWoman
spiritring 3 months ago
Infallible Church:
1 Timothy 3:15 - Church is called the "pillar and foundation of truth"
Acts 15:28 - Apostles speak with the voice of the Holy Spirit
1 John 2:27 - anointing of the Holy Spirit remains in you
Luke 10:16 - speaks with Christ's own voice
spiritring 3 months ago
Church is authoritative:
Matthew 18:18 - Jesus gives to the Apostles the power to legislate
Matthew 18:17 - Jesus gives to the Apostles the power to discipline
Matthew 28:18-20 - Jesus delegates all power to Apostles
Luke 10:16 - Jesus gives to the Apostles the power to speak with Christ's voice
John 20:23 - Jesus gives to the Apostles the power to forgive sins
1 Corinthians 11:24 - Jesus gives to the Apostles the power to offer sacrifice (the Eucharist)
spiritring 3 months ago
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VERY VERY SAD TO E THAT BIBLICALLY IGNORANT
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag Very very sad to see a mower type fast and interpolate hoax to be superior to catholics NOT to bwe honest with catholics
spiritring 3 months ago
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IS THIS THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH ~~ DOESNT EVEN KNOW WHAT ROMANS 5:1 is TALKING ABOUT ~~ FOLKS YOU CAN SEE IT YOURSELF TONIGHT ~~ THIS GUY DOESNT KNOW WHAT HES TALKING ABOUT ~~ I FEEL SOORY FOR THE WAY HE WENT DOWN IN FLAMES TONIGHT
glizag 3 months ago
THE ROSARY IS A JOKE ~~ HAIL MARY WAS NEVER ONCE DECLARED A PRAYER ~~ WATCH PAGAN ~~ BUT AN ANGELIC GREETING
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag it was there cmon I'm wasting my time
spiritring 3 months ago
@spiritring YES ~~ because YOU WONT TELL ME WHAT ROMANS 5:1 is teaching ~~ DO U WANT TO AT LEAST TRY TO UNDERSTAND IT ~~ I WANT TO HEAR U EXPOUND THAT VERSE CMON U CAN DO IT
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag U DONT EVEN READ MY RESPONSES PAGAN SO WHAT ARE U ON ABOUT
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag Pagan? What a joke!:
watch?v=szPhBvLiMq0
You didn't even my REFUTATIONS of you, departed protestant
spiritring 3 months ago
@spiritring EXPOUND FOR THE LAST TIME ~~~~~~~ WATCH ~~ Romans 5:1 ~~ I WANT TO HEAR THE GARBAGE
glizag 3 months ago
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@glizag you've been answered it says:
"Therefore being justified by faith, LET US have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ".
LET US = action, attempt, work, persevere
And then you're throwing your scattered sola scriptura there.
Talk about psalm 106, then chat
spiritring 3 months ago
@spiritring HE CANT BECAUSE HE REALLY IS A BIBLE IGNORAMAUS ~~ HE PROBABLY NEVER EVEN READ ROMANS 5:1
glizag 3 months ago
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Do you mean this translation of Romans 5?
"Therefore being justified by faith, LET US have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ".
LET US is an action. There better translations for that, but don't push Sola Fide in the lines. That's INTERPOLATION. Done.
spiritring 3 months ago
@glizag I ASK U AGAIN TELL ME ABOUT ROMANS 5:1 Then we really Chat
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag UNLESS YOU KNOW PSALM 106 and this video:
watch?v=PTqytyDeIwc
spiritring 3 months ago
@spiritring HAHAHAHAHA YOU CANT EXPOUND ROMANS 5 : 1 WHAT A SHAME ~~ SHAME ON YOUR BIBLICAL IGNORANCE
glizag 3 months ago
FOLKS THIS IS FUNNY STUFF THIS BIBLE IGNORAMAUS ~~ DOES NOT REALLY BELIEVE THE BIBLE Because he doesnt know Scripture ~~ he trusts in Popes who tell him that Oral Tradition is Equal ~~ so the Bible in this guys head is not Of Much Value ULESS HE QUTES Matt 16 : 18 To support hBENNY IN ROME ~~ ITS A BIG JOKE
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag yep traditions are equal unless you've just read this:
2 Thessalonians 2:15 - hold fast to traditions, whether oral or by letter
Mark 16:15 - go to the whole world and proclaim the gospel to every creature
2 Peter 1:20 - no prophecy is a matter of private interpretation
2 Peter 3:15-16 - Paul's letters can be difficult to grasp and interpret
Matthew 23:2-3 - chair of Moses; observe whatever they tell you (Moses chair was a prefigurement of the chair of St. Peter.)
HAVE you been blind
spiritring 3 months ago
@spiritring ROMANS 5 : 1 DO YOU HAVE READING DIFFICULTIES ~~ I ASKED ABOUT ROMANS 5: 1 STOP FLIP FLOPPING AROUND ~~ TRY THIS FIRST
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag ANY IDEAS YET
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag you've got nothing to pull yet. Faith alone, once save always saved, hoaxes, indoctrinations?
spiritring 3 months ago
@spiritring SIMPLE EXPLAIN ROMANS 5 : 1 then We move on ARE YOU AVOIDING THE QUESTION ~~ I THINK U ARE
glizag 3 months ago
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@glizag Romans 5:1
"Therefore being justified by faith, LET US have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ".
LET US = action, attempt, work, persevere
You're becoming more dim
spiritring 3 months ago
FOLKS HE DOESNT EVEN KNOW ROMANS 5:1 IF HE DID HE WOULD TELL ME WHAT ITS TALKING ABOUT ~~ THIS GUY IS A BIBLICAL IGNORAMAUS ~~ HAS NO CLUE ~~ BUT JUST SPEWS OUT VATICAN RETERIC ~~ HE WONT EVEN ANSWER A SIMPLE QUESTION ~~ TELLS ME A LOT ABOUT HIM
glizag 3 months ago
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@glizag FOLKS THIS ROMAN 5:1
"Therefore being justified by faith, LET US have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ".
LET US = action, attempt, work, persevere
"Faith alone without works = justification" chapter 3 min ago by glizag
spiritring 3 months ago
No Mass?:
Malachi 1:11 - "they bring sacrifice to my name and a pure offering"
Hebrews 13:10 - "We have an altar from which those who serve the tabernacle have no right to eat."
See also: - Matthew 26:26-27, Mark 14:22-24, Luke 22:19-20, Acts 20:7-19, 1 Corinthians 5:7-8, 1 Corinthians 10:16-21, 1 Corinthians 11:17-34, Hebrews 7:27, Hebrews 10:10
Sola Scriptura, where have you hidden?
spiritring 3 months ago
THIS GUY NEVER ONCE ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS ~~ PROVES TO ME THAT HE IS A BIBLE IGNORAMAUS ~~ AND HE STILL WONT ANSWER ME
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag "HE IS A BIBLE IGNORAMAUS" great salvific practice for protestantism
spiritring 3 months ago
No Rosary?
Revelation 4:8 - repeat day and night, "Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord"
Matthew 26:44 - Jesus prayed a third time, saying the same thing again.
Luke 18:13 - collector kept beating his breast and praying be merciful to me a sinner.
Accusing the Popes?
Isaiah 22:15-25 - Prophecy of the Catholic Papacy foretold in the Old Testament
spiritring 3 months ago
A BISHOP SHOULD BE THE HUSBAND OF ONE WIFE ~~ DEAL WITH IT PAGAN
glizag 3 months ago
THIS BIBLE IGNORAMAUS HAS AS MUCH A CLUE AS BENNY IN ROME
glizag 3 months ago
Malachi 2:7 - seek instruction from a priest, he is God's messenger
Priest idolaters?
No apostolic succession?
Acts 1:25-26 - Matthias takes Judas' apostolic ministry
Acts 14:23 - they appointed presbyters in each church
Ephesians 4:11 - God gave some as apostles, some as prophets
1 Timothy 3:1, 8; 1 Timothy 5:17 - qualifications for bishops, priests and deacons
are these the pagans?
Titus 1:5 - appoint presbyters in each town, as I directed
spiritring 3 months ago
THIS DELELICT WONT ANSWER QUESTIONS
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag no question more refutations
spiritring 3 months ago
@spiritring YOU REFUTED NOTHING ~~ EXPLAIN ROMANS 5:1 then I Listen to U
glizag 3 months ago
MAN THIS IS FUNNY STUFF I ASKED THIS PAGAN PERSON WHAT SAVES~~ He cant tell U ++ the Eucarist in RCC is a Joke ~~ It cannot save my dead granny ~~ man this is funny stuff
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag I know being an anti catholic anti christian father is WORSE than being an atheist since you claim piece of Bible and blaspheme it
spiritring 3 months ago
@spiritring I ASK U ~~ why dont U respond to my Qs they are very easy to Answer if U have Truth ~~ try it
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag I rebuked your faith alone with that video dimmed whit
spiritring 3 months ago
1 Timothy 2:1-7 - offer prayers and petitions for all men
no praying rosary? What s THAT?
1 Peter 2:5 - be a holy priesthood to offer sacrifices through Christ
Are saints dead?
Wisdom 3:1-6 - the souls of the just are in the hand of God
Luke 16:19-30 - departed rich man intercedes for brothers
Revelation 6:9-11 - martyrs under the altar want earthly vindication
Revelation 20:4 - saw the souls of those that had been beheaded
spiritring 3 months ago
Watch:
Mark 7:9 - set aside God's commandment, to uphold tradition
1 Corinthians 11:2 - commends them for following Apostolic tradition
2 Thessalonians 2:15 - commands them to keep traditions
Who you accusing idolaters. Sounds more than just popes eg apostles
Exodus 25:18-19 - make two cherubim of beaten gold
1 Kings 7:25-45 - temple had bronze oxen, lions and pomegranates
Where's these idolaters? I found none INCLUDING the Catholic Church
spiritring 3 months ago
"But to him that worketh not,"
It was referring to mosiac law not all the good works in the world. For instance the act of being circumcised may not be necessary etc etc
spiritring 3 months ago
blame you
spiritring 3 months ago
Can you focus? The only verse where Sola Fide(meaning, where faith AND ALONE gets together) comes up is the James 2:24 - a man is justified by works and not by FAITH ALONE.
Sola Fide gets exposed by the very Bible
spiritring 3 months ago
@glizag easy. your protestant denomination is showing!
John 12:25 - not everything Jesus said was recorded in Scripture
Acts 20:35 - sayings of Jesus were not recorded in the Gospels
1 Corinthians 11:2 - commends them for following Apostolic tradition
2 Thessalonians 2:15 - hold fast to traditions,
1 Peter 1:25 - God's eternal word equals the word preached to you
2 Peter 1:20 - no prophecy is a matter of private interpretation
OH! What happened to sola scriptura!!!
spiritring 3 months ago
@glizag THAT HAS NOthing to do with anything by far. Pure
prejudicial accusations which had been pwnd. For the FOURTH
TIME where in the Bible says that we're justified by Sola
Fide. Again indoctrinated prejudice. Where does it says
that The Church tradition eg :Baptism, Confirmation,
Reconciliation, Ordinance, Eucharist is actually REPLACED
by scripture??? I have been waiting. Only bigoted
propaganda and false accusations came up. So unbecoming.
spiritring 3 months ago
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@spiritring Again you refuse to show me how Catholicism Saves a hell bound sinner ++ you also refuse to expound what the verses I gave you mean.
You just run your mouth & say very little.
Tell me ONE TRADITION ~~ that the apostles passed on that is not in scripture & where can I find it & verify it ~~ you cant do it can U.
Scripture is the Yardstick for truth ~~ why do you believe Peter is the Rock ~~ its in scripture ~~ no one ever called Peter a rock
Now How does RCC save a sinner I WANNA KNOW
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag oh pity. I say you have never read the Bible. It's scattered all around there. Do I even need to quote them? you know where they are
spiritring 3 months ago
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@spiritring I SIMPLY ASKED TO TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE VERSES THAT I SENT YOU MEAN IN CATHOLICISMS EYES ~~ YOU HAVE AVOIDED SO FAR DOING THAT.
YOU JUST TALK AROUND THE TOPIC BUT NEVER ANSWER DIRECTLY
YOU ADMIT salvation is a gift so why does anyone need to earn it by sacraments if GOD gives it as a gift to those who trust in Christs Finished work alone.
Here is faith ALONE ~~ Acts 16 : 31 # 31 BELIEVE which = Trust which = Faith ~~ watch now Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & thou SHALT BE SAVED
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag AS USUAL, I go to google and put those quotes. I
SEE NOTHING but pure resources of invalid anti-catholic
propaganda. I didn't see real source of where this is being
said in the Church!
spiritring 3 months ago
Martin Luther changed up Romans 3:28 in his german
translation. Ahh ye, as you can see you're worshipping
Martin Luther in exchange for scripture
(Luke 6:46 -47) Sola Fide gets debunked, (John 15:10),
crushed! (Romans 2: 5 - 10) Absolute condemnation of
indoctrination!
spiritring 3 months ago
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@spiritring U are spiritually blind ~# dont U even accept Epgh 2:8#9 ~~ Saved by Grace through Faith
Romans 5:1 Justified by Faith
Salvation is a Gift ~ Romans 6:23 Etc Etc
U still wont tell me what those Bible texts mean
ONCE AGAIN ~~ U are saved BY GRACE = Gods unmerited favour to the hell bound UNDESERVING SINNER ~~ Through FAITH ~~ or trusting alone in the merits of Christs finished work on Calvary ~~ are you that dim & brainwashed that you cannot understand these great truths
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag It says, Justified by faith NOT faith ALONE. Salvation is a gift but it doesn't say SOLA FIDE or faith ALONE!!!! Reading between the lines as always.
"But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” - according to Romans you're going to be judge according to what you've DONE which are WORKS!
spiritring 3 months ago
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@spiritring JUSTIFIED = DECLARED RIGHTEOUS BY FAITH THERE IS NOTHING ELSE MENTIONED HERE IN BEING JUSTIFIED ~~ So if Salvation is a free gift then its UNEARNABLE ~~ since its FREE GET IT.
OK Matthew 7 : talks about people presenting their good works to the Lord as they seek ADMISSION to heaven ~They class them as MANY WONDERFUL WORKS ~~but Christ rejects those works ~ & calls them WORKS OF INIQUITY They were cast out of his presence & their Wonderful works were rejected NOW TELL ME about Rom 4:5
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag but it doesn't come automatic. Simple logic in real Catholic understanding:
We are saved by grace alone THROUGH faith PLUS work.
Romans 2:5-8 - God will repay each man according to his works
2 Corinthians 11:15 - recompense accord to what one did in their body (their end will correspond to their deeds)
1 Peter 1:17 - God judges impartially accordingly to one's works
NOT AUTOMATIC. Where in the bible says it's automatic?
spiritring 3 months ago
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@spiritring HAHAHAHAHAHA ~~ SAVED BY GRACE NOT OF WORKS Eph 2:8-9 Now what do you do
Faith alone WAS NOT ANSWERED AS IN Acts 16:30 # 31 Neither was Romans 4:5 WATCH FRIEND
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. IS THIS FAITH ALONE WITHOUT WORKS
I Think it is ~~ YOU STILL WONT RESPOND to the verse I gave you to expound to me ~~ I think all in this room can see YOUR flip flopping around & NOT ANSWERING the questions
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag You jut read between the lines. It's even weak what you're arguing. Some protestants would argue that faith comes with work AUTOMATICALLY which is even fallacious. You however says COMPLETELY faith WITHOUT works. and listen to where it says:
James 2:26 - faith without works is dead
I'm goin to stop this if I were you. I don't blame for being built as a wrong and pitiful anti-catholic
spiritring 3 months ago
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@spiritring You still wont respond to the verses I gave you ~~ you refuse to expound anything I gave you ~~ you refuted nothing I gave you ~~ your way out is to hop all over the bible to try prove something that isnt true
I ask You once more TO EXPOUND THE VERSES I GAVE YOU ~~ otherwise you dont have a leg to stand on
Now What is it to be ~~ FAITH JUSTIFIES Romans 5:1, SAVED BY GRACE Eph 2:8 # 9 NOT OF WORKS ~~ Salvation is a gift Rom 6:23 ~~ EXPLAIN THESE VERSES TO ME & STOP TALKING RUBBISH
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag grace alone yes. but it's not FAITH ALONE. You are crossing words. You've dodge this verse right here:
James 2:26 - faith without works is dead
Now Salvation is a gift but it doesn't say it comes AUTOMATIC. It doesn't say FAITH ALONE.
What is the rubbish again. Be careful with your protestant mouth.
spiritring 3 months ago
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@spiritring WATCH ARE YOU REALLY THAT DIM ~~ Acts 16 : 30 # 31 YOU WATCHING
BELIEVE IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST and THOU SHALT be SAVED ~~ U still watching ~~ Believe = TRUST TRUST = FAITH ~~ so to Trust alone or believe alone or to have alone SAVES ~~ ST PAUL
You still wont expound the Verses I gave you ~~ MAN I THINK U ARE LOSING BADLY
If Grace is a Gift then it cannot be earned ~~ & no church can Save ~~ why do I need your System WHEN I AM SAVED according to Paul By Trusting in Christ ALONE
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag you are reading between the lines. I guess if you watch this video you will be shut up and get exposed:
Once Saved Always Saved is wrong Part I:
watch?v=rLIoZGBvjpM
Once Saved Always Saved is wrong Part II
watch?v=wviljrEcSP4
Once Saved Always Saved is wrong Part III
watch?v=_QgMU9b3lP8
All bible verses there to destroy you reading-between-the-line Sola Fide, Eternal Security indoctrination, Sola Scriptura hoax
spiritring 3 months ago
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@spiritring WATCH WHAT MUST I DO TO BE SAVED ~~ NO CHURCH THERE~~ AGAIN ACTS 16:30 #31 BELIEVE IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED ~~ YOU JUST DENIED THAT
So according to YOu WHAT MUST I DO TO BE SAVED
Lets hear You
Do I Need statues Popes Priests ~~ or do I simply need to TRUST OR HAVE FAITH IN ~~ Christs finished work On Calvary
YOU AGAIN ~~ WILL NOT RESPOND to the Verses I gave You ~~ You are beginning to look IDIOTIC IN THIS ROOM
EXPOUND the VERSES I GAVE U ~~ FLIP FLOPPER
glizag 3 months ago
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag OH you invented those maniacal biased view of THE TRUE CHURCH.
Do you see you're refuted every single time. and watch your word. YOU'RE TYPING FILTHILY FALSE REDNECK AND BIASED ALL CAPED RHETORIC.
Another refutation:
sola fide heresy refuted in psalm 106 :
watch?v=PTqytyDeIwc
spiritring 3 months ago
@spiritring REFUTED ~~ ALREADY### 1st Tim 3 : 14 - 17, Acts 17 : 11 ~~~~~~~~~ NO ANSWERS SO FAR MY PAGAN FRIEND
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag It is finished work but how can the souls of the dead be saved in the old testament where it have not happened yet. Where in the Bible says that God is limited one place at a time?:
John 6:35-71 - Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist
"IDIOTIC IN THIS ROOM" I've repeated to you to watch your protestant mouth from showing
All you care about is trying to look smart NOT trying to be Honest about the true Church.
You only looked more like an indoctrinated infidel.
spiritring 3 months ago
@glizag now you see you're the ones that has the burden of
proof in saying that the Bible says "faith alone" which is
just added by martin Luther in 16 hundreds way after Christ
built His original Apostolic succeeding Church. continued
spiritring 3 months ago
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spiritring 3 months ago
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How to make a Plastercast for religious purposes.
First get some modelling plaster add water stir and mould it into a human figure
Subject it to intense heat and allow to harden
Now paint it with modelling paint & allow to dry
Move it to a grotto or church & mount it on a pedestal get it blessed by a priest
Garnish it with flowers & light candles to it
Now encourage people to come & pray to it & petition it
Now you have another mediator to help you
Surely this is not Idolatry ? OR IS IT ?
glizag 3 months ago
Haven't you caught this from Lumen Gentium I quoted recently:
This however it to be SO UNDERSTOOD that it takes NOTHING away, or adds NOTHING to the dignity and EFFICACY of CHRIST the ONE Mediator. For no creature can ever be put on the SAME LEVEL with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer...."
Your quoting is over you lying hard headed bigot. The Catholic Church DOES NOT WORSHIP MARY! The myth that "Catholic is pagan" WAS ALSO refuted.
spiritring 3 months ago
@glizag REALLY? Your very first comment, you've been showing your indoctrination all around you learned from your fellow departed christian. You're just trying justify those NO AUTHORITY NON ORDAINED NON APPOINTED prejudice amateur pastors you have. You even have no source and I can't find ANY quotes of you from the EARLY christian fathers. LYING BIGOTRY AND HYPOCRISY EXPOSED.
spiritring 3 months ago
@glizag Just bigoted. You've been caught lying your ass so much I can only find those MADE UP quotes on those protestant anti EARLY CHRISTIAN FATHER sites. If you can't give the proper materials you really have no credentials and has information dyslexia.
spiritring 3 months ago
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@spiritring so you dont accept the quotes ~ I suppose you dont accept the quotes from JP2 either
where he says " Don’t go to God for forgiveness ~~ Pope JP2.
Pope John Paul 2 made the statement “ Don’t go to God for forgiveness come to me.”
This was taken from the Popes apology LA Times, December 12th 1984.
OR ++ I am the way, truth and life ~ Pius 9th.
Pope Pius 9th declared himself “ I am the way, truth, and life.
Source : History of the Christian Church by Henry Sheldon ~ Page 59.
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag I love your Phony quotes History of the Christian Church by Henry Sheldon ~ Page 59. Pope Pius 9th
That pope isn't even mentioned in the entire Book . As for JP he never said it . That hopper was the invention of the "reporter" DON A SCHANCHE who offered the "... come to me" line. Again, typical reporting on religious (especially Catholic) topics. He was commenting on Reconciliatio et Paenitentia" -- this quote doesn't exist unless you use a pair of scissors and some scotch tape
martlut 3 months ago
@martlut just as I thought it's made up anti-catholic nut stroke!
spiritring 3 months ago
@glizag (Mathew 25) completely demolish your Sola Fide. also in (Romans Chapter 2), especiailly the common refutation of you James 2. You've contradicted scripture ITSELF. You've been built like that by your own hoax ass protestant denomination.
spiritring 3 months ago
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@spiritring TELL ME WHAT EPH 2:8 = 9 MEANS & Romans 4@5 & Titus 3:5=7 & Romans 5:1 & Romans 6:23 I HAVE YET TO HEAR YOU EXPOUND ON THOSE TEXTS ~~ WITHOUT JUMPING INTO JAMES 2
I tried to send a message to your inbox in order to stop clogging up the room ~~ but you have it blocked & only accessable to your friends ~~ otherwise I could give a detailed exegesis on everything you objected to.
But alas Your inbox is blocked
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag ah yeah... reading between the lines... where does it says : "faith ALONE" eg Sola Scriptura. This is one of those popularly debunked junk that you've been indoctrinated about.
Psalm 106 refutes your doctrine.
spiritring 3 months ago
@spiritring Saved by Grace through Faith ~ Faith is the channel & Grace is the means its a gift of God ~~ not of Works ~~ Eph 2:8=9 & Romans 5:1 Therefore BEING JUSTIFIED ( Declared not guilty) by God~ we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ (Not through a pagan system like RCC)
Then try Romans 4:5 & Titus 3:5-7 & Romans 6:23 etc etc ~# Again let me repeat Saved by Grace through faith ~ Faith being the channel & Grace being the means ~ it easy to understand if U take off RCC glasses
glizag 3 months ago
Let's get back on the true indoctrinated religious hypocrite here:
You claimed that Traditions is NOW scripture. GLEAMINGLY!!! GLEAMINGLY!!!!!, Where in the Bible could you find the piece of SOLA SCRIPTURA TEACHING that ONLY had been created by protestants several hundred years after Jesus? I suggest there is NOTHING that says something like:
"Scripture replaces Tradition" or "Scripture SUBSTITUTES Tradition".
Another reading-between-the-lines argument. You're the ones contradicting the Bible
spiritring 3 months ago
@spiritring I guess the teachings of Paul dont count Romans 5:1 & lots more all rejected by catholicism
Do You take Romans 5:1 at face value or the Pope have to interpret it for you?
I have lots of Texts that RCC would reject from scripture ~# that is one of the reasons that they bring in oral tradition & to validate their anti biblical teachings ~~ wake up my friend
glizag 3 months ago
THIS, HOWEVER,, is to be so understood that it NEITHER takes away from nor adds anything to the dignity and EFFICACIOUSNESS of Christ the ONE Mediator. (PT 3 END)
spiritring 3 months ago
By her maternal charity, she cares for the brethren of her Son, who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and cultics, until they are led into the happiness of their true home. Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked by the Church under the titles of Advocate, Auxiliatrix, Adjutrix, and Mediatrix. (PT 2)
spiritring 3 months ago
62. This maternity of Mary in the order of grace began with the consent which she gave in faith at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, and lasts until The eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this salvific duty, but by her constant intercession continued to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation.(PT 1)
spiritring 3 months ago
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Leo XIII, Jucunda Semper, 1894: "When Mary offered herself completely to God together with her Son in the temple, she was already sharing with him the painful atonement on behalf of the human race ... (at the foot of cross) she willingly offered him up to the divine justice, dying with him in her heart, pierced by the sword of sorrow."
THIS IS INSANE FALSE TEACHING UTTERLY INSANE ~~ If people trust this junk then they would believe anything that this filthy System tells them to believe RUBBISH
glizag 3 months ago
Leo XIII, Jucunda Semper, 1894: "When Mary offered herself completely to God together with her Son in the temple, she was already sharing with him the painful atonement on behalf of the human race ... (at the foot of cross) she willingly offered him up to the divine justice, dying with him in her heart, pierced by the sword of sorrow."
THIS IS INSANE FALSE TEACHING UTTERLY INSANE ~~ If people trust this junk then they would believe anything that this filthy System tells them to believe RUBBISH
glizag 3 months ago
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Spiritring The foundation of all our confidence is found in the Blessed Virgin Mary. God has committed to her the treasury of all good things, in order that everyone may know that through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is His will: That we obtain everything through Mary." Pope Pius IX
"Sinners receive pardon by the intercession of Mary alone." St. John Chrysostom
I wonder is Mary considered more than just Mediatrix according to this JUNK
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag hahaha, who gave you the copy of the early CHRISTIAN CHURCH fathers? I suppose it was your indoctrinated parents who built you in that pitiable old fashioned bigoted bitter style of anti - christian/ anti-catholic prejudice. OR you don't even have the copies of these. What gives you utter right to create straw man of READING between the lines. None! I'm gonna point out the
Vatican II Dogmatic Constitution on the Church (Lumen Gentium) continued..
spiritring 3 months ago
@spiritring Well I call that response a NON ANSWER ~~ I am simply asking do you agree with those quotes or not at face value ~ That would be a yes ot a no.
PS MY PARENTS WERE CATHOLICS ~~ so why bring them into this chat ~~ have you nothing better to offer
Being a Catholic does not mean one is a Christian ~~ maybe U would define Christian for me.
Thanks againg for your non answer
glizag 3 months ago
I guess 2nd Timothy 3 : 14-17 dont matter when it teaches Sola Scriptura or Acts 17:11, or 1st Cor 4:6 etc etc.
And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.
So if you are told not to go beyond that which is written then where does it put the RCC anti biblical dogma of ORAL Tradition NO WHERE.
RCC IS A HOAX
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag what question are you asking?
"MY PARENTS WERE CATHOLICS"
Just as I thought. You've got those lot's of anti catholic literature in the form of Jack Chick's comic books.
That kind of stuff is very easy to get online and they can read and feel smarter than Catholics, which seems more important than being honest about Catholicism.
a lot of anti Catholics are just ex Catholics who seem very insecure and conflicted about their departure from the Church.
spiritring 3 months ago
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@spiritring You are a funny guy & a foul mouthed unsaved Pagan that trusts in a System of NO HOPE & believes all the statements from your LUNATIC POPES.
I never once mentioned Jack Chick NOW DID I??
But you wont tell me if you agree with those quotes or Not ~~ you just run your mouth hoping that no one notices that you remained MUTE when asked.
elaborating on EX RCs does not answer the question NOW DOES IT?
You be honest about RCC & SIMPLY TELL ME HOW IT CAN SAVE ONE LOST SOUL OTHERWISE BE MUTE
glizag 3 months ago
@spiritring John Paul II, Dives in Misericordia, 1980, quoting Lumen Gentium, "In fact, by being assumed into heaven she has not laid aside the office of salvation but by the manifold intercession she continues to obtain for us the grace of eternal salvation."
God has entrusted the keys and treasures of heaven to Mary." Thomas Aquinas
"Holy Scripture was written to Mary, about Mary, and on account of Mary." St. Bernard
Utter Rubbish ~~ Christ alone is the Saviour Mary cannot save anyone
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag I was getting into ANTI-CATHOLIC/ANTI-EARLY-CHRISTIAN-FATHERS site every single time you quote unreliable made quotes. I haven't even found if this were really authentic quotes. Here is the real quote:
"The faithful also cherish the firm belief, supported by long experience, that all those who seek Mary's protection will be saved for all eternity." (Pope Benedict XV),
bastard, you're lying
spiritring 3 months ago
@spiritring So you dont agree with Lumen Gentium, or Thomas Aquinas, or St Bernard
Or "No one ever finds Christ but with and through Mary. Whoever seeks Christ apart from Mary seeks Him in vain." St. Bonaventure ~~ you now are denying what was quoted, & then your name calling tells me how good a Rman Catholic YOU REALLY ARE.
For as St. Irenaeus says, she 'has become the cause of salvation for the whole human race" MARY WOW
So do you agree with these quotes Ive got lots if U want them
glizag 3 months ago
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@spiritring So you dont agree with Lumen Gentium, or Thomas Aquinas, or St Bernard
Or "No one ever finds Christ but with and through Mary. Whoever seeks Christ apart from Mary seeks Him in vain." St. Bonaventure ~~ you now are denying what was quoted, & then your name calling tells me how good a Rman Catholic YOU REALLY ARE.
For as St. Irenaeus says, she 'has become the cause of salvation for the whole human race" MARY WOW
So do you agree with these quotes Ive got lots if U want them
glizag 3 months ago
@spiritring So you dont agree with Lumen Gentium, or Thomas Aquinas, or St Bernard
Or "No one ever finds Christ but with and through Mary. Whoever seeks Christ apart from Mary seeks Him in vain." St. Bonaventure ~~ you now are denying what was quoted, & then your name calling tells me how good a Rman Catholic YOU REALLY ARE.
For as St. Irenaeus says, she 'has become the cause of salvation for the whole human race" MARY WOW
So do you agree with these quotes Ive got lots if U want them
glizag 3 months ago
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I'll point out a major flaw here. This video is ONLY correct on citing few figural speeches in the Bible but what about the literals subjects: Jesus is the Son of Man or Jesus performing miracles. The video has no point. The Bible is composed with both metaphorical AND LITERAL literature. IT is it's own necessity. Showing one figural structure does not imply that others are the same.
spiritring 3 months ago
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spiritring 3 months ago
In the year 1087 AD Pope Victor 3rd was poisoned while serving Mass, its the funniest example of the false doctrine of Transubstantiation on record Pope Victor Consecrated the Chalice and the host so according to Papal dogma the bread and wine are no longer bread & wine but the body and blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, after he consecrated the Chalice he drank it and dropped down dead POISONED so obviously the poison in the wine did not change like RCs were led to believe ~ Mass is a hoax
glizag 4 months ago
@glizag what are you an atheist. you might be justifiable
spiritring 3 months ago
@spiritring No Im a bible believer ~~ so I dont believe RCC junk dogmas
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag do you believe that tradition brought about the Bible and that the Bible itself is seen through the lenses of tradition: baptism, apostolic ordinance, reconciliation and the rest.
spiritring 3 months ago
@spiritring Oral tradition was used first then it was scripturized ~~ what traditions were not scripturized ~~ unless you want to make the claim that Papal traditions are as inspired as scripture. ++ there is no tradition that was taught by the apostles that was not later written down ~~ if you can find me one tell me what it is and where can I source it
glizag 3 months ago
@glizag i scratch my head on what you're trying to say. Don't you see AtheistWoman? It's very odd that you share common weak assumptions about the subject. Of course they're written down. Even your pastors are subject and imitate such traditions. You even ask them to pray for you which is the same analogy on us asking saints to pray and intercede for us. What do you believe?
spiritring 3 months ago
@spiritring ARE YOU A BIT DULL ~~ I AM NO ATHEIST neither am I a woman.
Tradition that matters is now scripture ~~ we dont need to look outside scripture for truth ~~ dont you agree !!
Pastors are subject to the same scripture as I am.
I dont pray to statues or dead people ~# when scripture tells me that there is ONE Mediator between God & man the man CHRIST JESUS.
so I dont have to go to the church to go to Mary To go to Christ who goes to the Father.
You really never answered my question
glizag 3 months ago