@Ariegiggles I'm sorry about your cousin and I hope you're reaching out to him and making sure he's being safe and responsible. I've had my Wild Wild West days dating and sleeping around in the community, but now I'm in a committed relationship and those early days are meaningless. Tell your cousin all it takes is one mistake and he'll pay the price for it for the rest of his life.
Thumbs up for the "freaks in the corner" who use condoms!
I'm sorry I love my community but there is NO fucking excuse, especially in the 21st Century, to be that irresponsible and reckless.
Although the bug-chasing culture is probably wildly exaggerated and mostly fringe, this documentary shows that the barebacking culture is disturbingly real.
Not all barebackers are bug-chasers, but all barebackers are playing with fire.
@DoubleTalkingJive It is real. I see it allll the time on Craigslist. And I am a straight female. It scares me because I think my little cousin is going to the clubs and he revealed that he had unprotected sex.
No respect for life, what a decadent sub-culture...I cannot believe there are such "people" out there,no self-respect, no respect for others. You cannot even call them animals, because not even animals are as twisted as these...animals have a sense of self-preservation. Just living in the now, no time to stop and reflect on what you are doing, just fun, fun, fun, parties and sex. Kenboy and Bill are the ultimate sleazes out there....
After watching this, I cannot help but feel totally and utterly disgusted. This whole thing is so sickening, to give away your life like that, and for what exactly? Fun and plentiful decadent bareback sex ?Couldn't these guys have found a loving HIV negative partner, have a stable relationship and have unprotected sex with him? Nobody here deserves any sympathy, at all, even Doug...to throw your life away like that. A LIFE...something so beautiful, something to cherish...so fragile...
gays are premiscuous people by nature, gay men especially. they should just all go to some island and kill each other. instead, they wind up infecting the hetero community too, such evil people
@cbarrett34 Heteros infect heteros too. Everyone is at risk for contracting HIV when they're having unprotected sex. It's not exclusive to a single to a community. Men are naturally promiscuous by nature, their sexuality doesn't make a difference. The reason gay men have the most sex is because it's too naturally promiscuous genders rather than a man and a woman.
12:00 Yes, you might live longer today if you are positive, but what about life quality?
I don’t think “stupid/stupidity” is the right word, its more misinformation and naivety; through political correctness.
Abstinence that IS stupid, try to see Penn & Teller – Bullshit season 4 ep 10.
Like cancer no mater if it is Prostate, Brest or Leukemia, HIV and AIDS doesn’t discriminate gender or orientation, yes straight/heterosexuals can get it just as easy.
Sylvie C. Tourigny, 1998, Qualitative Health Research, 8(2), 149-167
"Belindas's Story:
He said he was afraid to pass it on, so I brought condoms and I sorta made it hard for him to refuse. I knew I would be bleeding... so John don't know there was holes in the condoms".
Meanwhile, the homosexual lobbyists like the atrocious lie-filled site Box Turtle Bulletin continue to deny that bug chasing even exists. And where is the press coverage of this? Homosexual marriage is injected into every conversation about politics in this country, but try to find a mainstream media source that will talk about this.
@Pizuzuzimmer It was brought to light in a rolling stones article and so has been mainstream news but it is an extremely rare phenomenon and also occurs among heterosexuals btw. Not that many gay men even know about it. This video generally shows a very one sided perspective of promiscuous gay individuals, not the overall picture.
Even among self-described bug chasers, it is almost always just fantasy, rather than something people want to enact in reality.
@Pizuzuzimmer See the Urban dictionary definition of bug chasing. Additionally, according to an article by Caryn Rousseau, DeAnn Kalich, an associate professor of sociology at the University of Louisiana-Lafayette has "talked recently with heterosexual women who claim to be bug chasers."
There are also many heterosexual criminal convictions of heterosexuals who have deliberately transmitted HIV. I will PM you links to the things mentioned above.
Criminals who try to pass along the disease to UNWILLING recipients has nothing to do with bug-chasing.
I don't buy this pathetic sociologist's claims for a second. Those people are so PC they can't see past their outstretched hands without finding 'evidence' to denounce the morally normal and protect the perverted. This film shows a WHOLE CULTURE of homo bug chasers. Show me that among heterosexuals. It doesn't exist.
@Pizuzuzimmer Indeed, a heterosexual (or gay) person who passes along the disease deliberately to a non-bug-chaser is arguably even worse in that their victim is oblivious and/or unwilling. It is of course still the deliberate transmission of HIV.
Scientists in general are objective, which is different from being PC. Being objective is aimed at deriving reliable evidence.
The film shows a few anecdotal instances of stupid bug chasers who now all seem to regret their behaviour.
Scientists in general ARE NOT objective, when you're talking about the study of sexuality. Anyone who has looked closely at the evolution of the disciplines most charged with this task (psychology, psychiatry) can see how much they were changed by essentially political events and pressures. It is child's play to look through the 'research' in those fields on homosexuality in recent years and find methodological and other errors and biases.
@Pizuzuzimmer Yes yes, the APA was "stormed by militant homosexuals" or w.e.... I have counters to that claim and will PM you them if that is the line or argument you are seriously pursuing.
Studies are repeated other studies done that rely on their findings. If the initial studies conclusions were inaccurate for whatever reason, this will eventually show when the results conflict with other studies. As you likely know, all published studies are reviewed by anonymous experts prior to publi.
The recently deceased sociologist Steven Nock compiled a huge brief for Canada's consideration of homosexual marriage that pointed out how EVERY SINGLE STUDY on homosexual parenting has fatal methodological flaws that prevent its generalizability to the whole population of homosexuals. Every. Single. One.
This of course does not stop the psychologists from making claims about their 'research' that are not true. And it doesn't stop govts from changing policy accordingly.
@Pizuzuzimmer The film goes on to show a slightly wider (though still sub-sub-cultural) group of bare-backers, who are not actually bug chasers/gift givers but merely irresponsible morons (like promiscuous heterosexuals who practise unsafe sex).
It's likely that due to bug chasing being soo rare, that it's considered to have an almost negligible impact on HIV rates and therefore not really a hot topic for research.
It's far more likely that any researcher who might be inclined to study bug chasing knows full well what repercussions he would suffer professionally if he did so, and esp. if he discovered things the homosexual lobby and its political allies would not like.
@Pizuzuzimmer Bug chasing, as you well demonstrate is exactly the kind of thing that conservative extremists would love to get their hands on and suggest that it is some form of widespread conspiracy that is generalizable to all gay people.... so we could just as well expect a strong bias showing bug chasing to be widespread etc etc.
Both of our points are pure, irrelevant speculation that do not specifically relate to any research so far done on it. For the most part, scientists avoid bias.
You're naive and clearly don't know anything about how research in the human sciences works. Bias is rampant, and whole disciplines in fact are built on assumptions about what kinds of questions ought be pursued and what kind ought not. Psychology has been decimated by the developments of the 1960s and 1970s, and it will not recover, as it has now infected the rest of the culture with its twisted 'research.'
@Pizuzuzimmer If a study is biased then it's unlikely it will pass peer review and if it does, then future studies that 1) replicate it and 2) rely on it's conclusion will be inconsistent with it and eventually demonstrate that the original study was flawed. Any researcher repeatedly doing this would likely eventually be censored by the major mental health organisations.
The cultural revolutionaries call it "boring from within," i.e., getting inside institutions in order to decay and destroy them from inside. They've been entirely successful in psychology, and they've even managed to create whole new 'disciplines' dedicated to the principle that bias is a good and necessary 'correction' of historical injustice--e.g., Queer Studies.
@Pizuzuzimmer It's very hard to see how 5% or less of the population could "bore from within" any institution, especially given the historical precedent of widespread heterosexism.
As I suspected. This Kalich person just made the claim out of thin air. She has published precisely NOTHING on this. No empirical evidence exists to support it. It's this PC sociologist claiming she has found heterosexual bug chasers. Well, if you have, dear sociologist, why haven't you published on this amazing finding? Is it, perhaps...that you are lying, or that you know your 'work' wouldn't pass peer review?
@Pizuzuzimmer Anyway, I have found a study detailing heterosexual bug chasing:
A study (Sylvie C. Tourigny, 1998, Qualitative Health Research, 8(2), 149-167) in Michigan, it is detailed how six African-American youths, four women and 2 men:
"Initially enrolled as auxiliary respondents in a longitudinal research project centered on HIV/AIDS in inner-city Detroit, they joined family members as primary respondents when they seroconverted after deliberately seeking HIV exposure."
I don't see anything indicating those six people were heterosexuals. And even if they were, you now have found a study that discovered SIX heterosexual bugchasers. As the film makes clear, there is an entire CULTURE of this insanity in homosexual male circles, with clubs holding HIV-spreading fuckfests, advertisements in homosexual newspapers, etc. You also have not proven the % is as infinitesimal as you claim.
@Pizuzuzimmer No the film makers do not make clear that this is an entire "culture". The film makers show about 3-4 actual bug chasers, basically all of which regret it. They go on to show a bunch of bare-backers who have sex under the stupid assumption that their partners will have the same HIV status as themselves. These bare-backers are apathetic towards HIV contraction and so are the same as any bare-backing heterosexual (both are morons).
It is shameful the way you attempt to equate a few random heterosexual psychotics and the thriving bug-chaser and bareback lunatic cultures among male homosexuals. Where are the clubs for heterosexuals like those in the film for homosexuals? And why is it that average # of sexual partners is astronomically higher for homosexual males than for heterosexuals? All the research shows this--even Jonathan Rauch, homo activist, has to admit it in his book on homosexual marriage.
@Pizuzuzimmer Bare-backing also occurs among heterosexuals, though the term is usually used to describe homosexuals. Unprotected sex though is rampant among heterosexuals and homosexuals. You haven't established that the "bug chaser" culture is "thriving".
The clubs for heterosexuals like those in this film are called brothalls. Bath houses = brothalls staffed by volunteers.
To the average gay man, bugchasers =homo psychotics.
Plz share with me some statistics on homosexual promiscuity.
How do you know what the "average gay man" thinks? Do you think YOU represent the average homosexual's view on such things? Why?
'Brothalls" is not a word, at least not in English. If you mean whorehouses, they are illegal everywhere in the US except in Nevada. The homosexual AIDS-infestation pits, however, continue to operate.
Look at Jonathan Rauch's book on homosexual marriage. He cites the stats, even though he then struggles mightily, and unsuccessfully, to shrink them.
Show me the heterosexual clubs where people come and fuck dozens of people on a single night, w/o protection, and with moral indifference to the consequences. They don't exist. Why? The reason is clear. Same reason why bars, on singles nights, have to lure women in with free drinks. WOMEN AS A GROUP WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN SUCH STUFF. So heterosexual men might desire it, but they cannot do it. Homo men want it and can create whole cultures around this perverse desire.
You continue to obfuscate about the frequency of such things in the two populations. Exceedingly rare to the point of near disappearance in the heterosexual world; far, far more frequent among male homosexuals. You can pretend to ignore this all you like. Doesn't make it go away.
@Pizuzuzimmer You have not proven that it is not an infinitesimal % and the burden of proof is on you, as the claimant. It's irrelevant anyway as they clearly don't represent all homosexuals (or even most of them) and it is not an innate quality of homosexuality.
Regarding the 6 heterosexuals in the study I provided, 4 were women.... if you knew how low the risk of lesbian HIV transmission is then you'd laugh at the idea of one trying to bug chase. There was no mention of homosexuality.
You have avoided the question. WHERE DOES THE ARTICLE STIPULATE THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE HETEROSEXUAL AND THEY GOT AIDS FROM HETEROSEXUAL INTERCOURSE?
This is your last chance to respond to that. If you do not, I'm finished with you, b/c you'll have revealed yourself as just another homo lobby ideologue who avoids every topic that challenges your position.
Sylvie C. Tourigny, 1998, Qualitative Health Research, 8(2), 149-167
"Belindas's Story:
He said he was afraid to pass it on, so I brought condoms and I sorta made it hard for him to refuse. I knew I would be bleeding... so John don't know there was holes in the condoms."
That's under a section where the author asks how they got HIV (which I believe is present for each of the case studies).
I felt he (my HIV positive boyfriend) deserved to have someone with him... and I know I am destined to love and lose and I don't want that anymore... I made the choice not to be left anymore... We don't need to worry about the future, we can enjoy the day, because there is no future to think about”.
That's a quote of one of the other women in the study, again under her "how did you get HIV" bit.
I can't find the whole article online, but the abstract does not provide any information to indicate these six people were heterosexuals. Indeed, it doesn't even indicate that they tried to infect themselves through sexual contact at all--as they were in social contexts in which heavy drug use is likely, they may well have pursued contamination through sharing needles with HIV + family members.
Even w/o having seen it, my prediction would be that at least some if not all of these people are homosexuals or bisexuals and/or IV drug users. I would especially anticipate that the women are either having sex with men who have sex with men or using IV drugs.
@Pizuzuzimmer Additionally, whether or not it occurs among heterosexuals isn't essential to refute it as a criticism of homosexuality anyway, given that it is an extreme minority that claim to be bug chasers/gift givers, so much so that the phenomenon was only relatively recently verified as being more than just a myth. Even among this extreme minority, the one study that seems to have so far been done on it identified only a tiny portion of the men were actually serious about it.
Extreme minority? Homosexuals are themselves an extreme minority, at best 3-4% of the population. So I guess we should discount that extreme minority as unimportant and irrelevant in the same way you want to dismiss bug chasers. And I'd bet money that bug chasers and other homosexuals who systematically engage in unsafe sexual practices despite the presence of AIDS are WAY more than 3-4%, esp. in places like the Castro.
@Pizuzuzimmer Bug chasing has also only relatively recently been discovered, even among gay men, who are significantly more affected by HIV than heterosexuals in developed nations (where the research is funded), so it isn't surprising that there isn't anything on it. There are hardly any studies on gay male bug chasing.
No we don't discount the extreme minority as irrelevant, we simply don't generalize from them to the whole, in the same way that we don't from rapists to heterosexuality.
You're desperately avoiding the central issue here, which is that, whether it is a minority of homosexual males or not, if there is an entire CULTURE of such sickness, we are talking about a phenomenon that does not exist among heterosexuals. The next question to ask then is: what about male homosexuals makes them so much more likely than heterosexuals to pursue such sexual insanity?
@Pizuzuzimmer 6 people can also form a sub-culture too. You have not provided any studies showing gay male bug chasing. The central issue is whether it is homosexuality or not that is the psychopathology here. Clearly it is not and generalizing from the anecdotal instances depicted here to an entire population is unjustified.
It does exist among heterosexuals... I've provided you with the study, sent you the t shirt etc etc.
What about gay men makes them more likely? Minority Stress.
Minority stress? That's your assumption, but you have no evidence to support it. And indeed if minority stress explains the propensity of homosexuals to engage in dangerous behavior and harm themselves and others, why have suicide rates for homosexuals not markedly decreased over the past 40 years, despite the fact that tolerance of homosexuality has greatly increased in the US? Your theory crumbles to the dust.
@Pizuzuzimmer Part 1. Do you have data on suicide rates of homosexuals' suicides over the past 40 years? Tolerance in some parts of the U.S. and among some people has greatly increased but heterosexism still permeates the general population.
Even if generously assuming that bug chasing is more prevalent among gay men than heterosexuals, still doesn't justify generalizing from gay male bug chasers to all gay men, or imposing "collective punishment" on all gay men... tbc.
It's funny you suggest someone is arguing for "imposing collective punishment on all [homosexual] men." I don't advocate punishing them. I simply refuse to acknowledge that their sexual culture is morally equal to heterosexual culture, or that their every whim has to be granted, e.g., the desire a small number of them have to 'marry,' which would only distort the meaning and intention of the institution.
@Pizuzuzimmer DUDE I WAS MOCKING YOU. I assumed you believed in god because you WERE FUCKING RAMBLING ON ABOUT MORALS and the institution. NOT everyone is fucking homo but so what if a small minority are. WTF the big deal over marriage. I don't believe in GOD. I WAS FUCKING BEING SARCASTIC because I ASSUMED YOUR GAY ASS DID.
@Pizuzuzimmer Fuck off dude. I win because yet again your moronic ass can't answer the 1 question staring and stabbing you in your pointy little manwhore face, if you don't believe in god then where morally is being gay wrong? Does it hurt anyone outside it?
Another vulgar illiterate from the gutter who is unaware that moral philosophies without gods have been in existence since the Greeks. But since the stupid haven't been informed of them, they don't exist. Your commonness and lack of education is a stench emanating from every pore of your body, you mentally retarded plebian.
@Pizuzuzimmer PART 2.... or imposing "collective punishment" on all gay men... in the form of some restriction of liberty. Men are responsible for the vast majority of sexual crimes (90%+ I believe) and 80%+ of all crimes in general. That does not mean that we restrict all men's rights, relative to women's, based upon those statistical facts.
The bug chasing is not an inherent part of homosexuality. You therefore may as well criticise all men, instead of all gay men for bug chasing.
We certainly do restrict men's rights on sexual issues. When a woman claims rape, the male accused is generally denied the right to face his accuser. Homosexual men do not have their 'right' to fuck one another to death restricted, but the rest of the society can damn well exercise moral shaming against their propensity to harm themselves and others, and it is under no obligation to pretend that homosexuals ought to be allowed to 'marry.'
I've already criticized male sexuality as the culprit. But the problem is massively exacerbated by removing the natural check on male promiscuity--namely, females and their very different evolutionary strategies with respect to sex and mating. Once females are out of the equation, you have only unrestricted fucking machines running around freely, and it should not surprise anyone when bad things, e.g., very high AIDS rates and bug chasing among other horrors, happen.
@Pizuzuzimmer Suicide is heavily linked to mental disorders (especially anxiety and depression type ones I believe). The correlation between minority stress and mental disorders among homosexuals is well established (I'll PM you a link showing 10+ studies on it).
I haven't looked in to suicide so much yet but there's also evidence of a direct link with that I believe. I'll PM you a few study quotes on that too.
This is of course the question that has been systematically excluded from the possibility of research by political correctness. Not by objectivity, but by political correctness and the fear on the part of the few remaining researchers out there interested in pursuing objective truth that their careers will end if they propose studies to pursue such lines of inquiry.
@Pizuzuzimmer You Wrote: "This is of course the question that has been systematically excluded from the possibility of research by political correctness."
Hahaha you haven't actually looked up bug chasing have you? I spent hours doing so yesterday.... much of the effort is to understand the underlying psychology behind this phenomenon. Though as previously detailed it's very rare and only recently verified as existing, so the research is highly limited.
The reality is that we know a LOT about male sexuality, how it works, how it differs from female sexuality, and why the absence of the check on male sexual impulse and evolutionarily imbedded predilections that exists in heterosexuality is likely to produce just the kinds of things we see in male homosexual culture: extreme promiscuity, extreme propensity to unsafe practices and irresponsibility, extreme propensity to divorce sexual encounters from emotional attachment.
@Pizuzuzimmer Sounds like a compatibility/complementarity argument :D. There are a subculture of gay men who do as you describe but only a small subculture and you are again just generalizing. There are heterosexuals who do the same.
We know that hetero males are no better than gay ones yes. The presence or absence of the opportunity to be irresponsible does not change the predisposition for it.
Regarding Steven Nock, I'll PM you a response to his claims from a couple of Sociologists.
Spare me. I've read the lesbian activist Judith Stacey's affidavit in response. Anyone who knows the slightest thing about statistics and probability (which Stacey doesn't--her work is ENTIRELY qualitative) will recognize that Nock is correct and she is full of shit. She doesn't even challenge his argument. She simply says his standard for generalizability is almost never met in psychology, which is correct, and a good reason to be suspicious of almost all psych 'research.'
@Pizuzuzimmer If psychological research basically never reaches a standard sufficient for you then you have no empirical basis to condemn same-sex parenting. The burden of proof is upon anybody who wishes to restrict the rights of others to justify why they should be able to do so. As you will now be seemingly incapable of that, you are presumably in favour of ss adoption, right?
This shows you don't know what you're talking about. The institution of marriage has for a long time been restricted to male-female couples, for good reasons. If you want to change the institution, the burden of proof is on YOU to show that homosexual couples do not weaken the institution. None of the psychological studies prove this, precisely b/c, as Nock notes, they are not representative of the whole population of homosexuals or even homosexual parents.
In other words, that there is no heterosexual bug chaser culture is in large measure a result of the fact that women, with their more conservative approach to sexual behavior (in general--there are of course some brazen sluts out there trying to hard to behave sexually like men, but these are evolutionary patterns not undone by cultural changes of the last 40 years), would not participate in it. Remove them from the equation, and you can have more insanity.
@Pizuzuzimmer Simply branding those who buck the trend you would like to show as "brazen sluts" does not negate their existence. As only a tiny minority of gay men are bug chasers, clearly they are little more than the "brazen slut" equivalents of the gay male world.
Both heteros and homos do abhorrent things, which do involve their sexuality. That does not make those things instantly generalizable to all who posses that sexuality, or that sexuality a direct causative agent.
@Pizuzuzimmer Fuck off moron and answer the FUCKING QUESTION AND STOP BEING A FUCKING DUCE BAG POLITICANS. HOW IS BEING GAY MORALLY WRONG?? DO THEY HURT OTHER PEOPLE. YOU MUST HAVE NO FUCKING family OR FRIENDS.
I've answered your vulgar question. Go educate yourself, cretin. When you start paying me, I'll see it as my responsibility to try to impart wisdom to you. Until then, go plant a cock in your bunghole and spin on it until your intestines burst.
Nothing funnier than a bellowing baboon on the Internet, with his caps key broken, who takes his own illiteracy for proof that the things he doesn't know don't exist. Send your check and I'll send you a reading list, dumbass. Otherwise shut your bloody pie hole, you're stinking up the joint.
@Jackalofdeath lol someone has a serious case of liberal guilt!! Its ok to say something bad about a minority you know. That doesnt automatically make you a bigot. Go ahead and try it. I dare you. Just admit that bug chasing is wrong and the homosexuals that practice it are disgusting slime.
You can't bring yourself to come out and say that can you? haha
I really have to say this is sick. I am in a relationship, I am a gay male and would NEVER participate in this type of sick behavior. And we wonder why we cant get marriage legal, this video is a prime example of what others thing of us .
The problem is right now, in 2011 worse than ever - since the discovery of good HIV medications in 1996. Private parties, unpoliced, are becoming more popular via the Internet. Any man with money can go to one. People with emotional problems often make sad, self-destructive, and permanent decisions.
So they volunteer for a disease that will leave them debilitated and dependent on tax payer dollars to provide their medical care while people who are sticken with illness at no fault of their own struggle to find the resources they need. It really is unfortunate for the gay community...they don't need another stigma.
who wants to have HIV its terrible for people that have it and i hope they find a cure but seriously who the fuck wants to get HIV on purpose straight or gay they need a slap to wake there idiot ass up
... not surprised at all, because I know homosexuals and homosexuality is a psychological dysfunction, period! They are not born with it, homosexuals are created due to dysfunctional family/home environments affecting them beginning in early childhood, as young as two years old. For more information on the reality of homosexuality visit whatnatureintended.weebly.com and get the answers.
One thing they didn't mention at all in the documentary was the link between HIV infection rates and crystal meth use. If you Google Doug's name, you'll find an article in POZ magazine where he mentions his penchant for "Tina" during that time..
"We can't get HIV again!" WRONG, there's two strains of HIV both of which have sub-types all of which mutate, so you could hasten your death by decades if you think you can't get HIV again!
Been wanting to see this forever, im gay, but I have no fucking idea how someone could idolize such a horrible disease, I dare say that they deserved it.
This is an extraordinarily important documentary. Thank you for doing the service to uploading this. I am young straight male and I appreciate this. HIV + men and women, stay strong, be safe.
What those drag queens said was ridiculous. 80-90% of gay men bareback? For them being gay themselves, they should be ashamed of themselves for making such allegations.
my heart goes out to these guys , very good documentary . i have worried since the early 1980's about becoming hiv positive but i am not , it is not cool to have hiv virus take care of yourself both hiv - and hiv+ gay men !!!!! love yourself and be strong
"THE LAZARUS EFFECT" DOCUMENTARY about the organization helping those poor people who can't afford ARV medication to fight off the symptoms of being HIV + should be seen, that there are people out there that want help and wished they never contracted the disease unlike these sick people who chase and give the disease to other people. That is just disgusting and selfish and rubbing it into the people who unfortunately became HIV+ wishing it would never happen to them!!! I felt sick watching this!
These people are absolutely disgusting and fucken selfish. I watched a great documentary earlier today called, "The Lazarus Effect" where HIV + people in Zambia ,Africa are so poor, they can't afford the 40 cents a day for the ARV medications [Anti Retro Viral Drugs] that suppresses the deadly symptoms of HIV therefore prolonging peoples lives.They didn't ask to be infected,it was passed down from mothers and from partners in a country where people can't afford basics like condoms etc...
what the fuck!!!!!!!
k5lta 1 day ago
Let them all get HIV, give them no treatment and let them rot. Sick freaks.
hatelizwebber 4 days ago
Lol. . . . Yo this some ill shit!!! HAPPY VALENTINE (BUG-DAY) BITCHES.....LMFFO/ ROTFFL!!
Ldaoxx 2 weeks ago
@Pizuzuzimmer Then where do lesbians fit into your picture?
nekosama 1 month ago
@Ariegiggles I'm sorry about your cousin and I hope you're reaching out to him and making sure he's being safe and responsible. I've had my Wild Wild West days dating and sleeping around in the community, but now I'm in a committed relationship and those early days are meaningless. Tell your cousin all it takes is one mistake and he'll pay the price for it for the rest of his life.
DoubleTalkingJive 2 months ago
OMG....I'm speechless. You know what's a gift? LIFE. Keep it. Don't get HIV when you have a choice. Jeez, these ridiculous people....
DunklenHerzen 2 months ago 4
bunch of selfish idiots.
weinstein888 2 months ago 2
Jesus these are fucking freaks-disgusting. They are spreading this around, so selfish
cockywatchman1976 2 months ago
and..... what do you think when the bugchasing have 2 sites.
first side: they`ve got hiv so they can´t be afraid of getting hiv for 2. time. and so they do it whitout condoms and make party.
and the second site: they wanna show us that hiv isn´t so dangerous having hiv.
they wanna show the world that the media lies. that you can have hiv without aids.
...and so on
....only my opinion
sry for my bad english.
18pauly18 2 months ago
Thumbs up for the "freaks in the corner" who use condoms!
I'm sorry I love my community but there is NO fucking excuse, especially in the 21st Century, to be that irresponsible and reckless.
Although the bug-chasing culture is probably wildly exaggerated and mostly fringe, this documentary shows that the barebacking culture is disturbingly real.
Not all barebackers are bug-chasers, but all barebackers are playing with fire.
Wake up, motherfuckers!
DoubleTalkingJive 2 months ago
@DoubleTalkingJive It is real. I see it allll the time on Craigslist. And I am a straight female. It scares me because I think my little cousin is going to the clubs and he revealed that he had unprotected sex.
Ariegiggles 2 months ago
Only in a sick, Jewified society is such a morally abhorrent thing possible.
coxg90 2 months ago
@coxg90 True Jews would have nothing to do with this
mickgjrice 2 months ago
@coxg90
Wow. My guess is you go to Church regularly.
lmaka1 1 month ago
No respect for life, what a decadent sub-culture...I cannot believe there are such "people" out there,no self-respect, no respect for others. You cannot even call them animals, because not even animals are as twisted as these...animals have a sense of self-preservation. Just living in the now, no time to stop and reflect on what you are doing, just fun, fun, fun, parties and sex. Kenboy and Bill are the ultimate sleazes out there....
carpediemsrce 3 months ago
After watching this, I cannot help but feel totally and utterly disgusted. This whole thing is so sickening, to give away your life like that, and for what exactly? Fun and plentiful decadent bareback sex ?Couldn't these guys have found a loving HIV negative partner, have a stable relationship and have unprotected sex with him? Nobody here deserves any sympathy, at all, even Doug...to throw your life away like that. A LIFE...something so beautiful, something to cherish...so fragile...
carpediemsrce 3 months ago 2
I love barebacking...WITH WOMEN!!!!!!
SpikeMichaels 3 months ago
@SpikeMichaels :)
bikegirl2 1 month ago
167 guys??? these guys are nothing but pigs
cbarrett34 3 months ago
@cbarrett34
and you know what's funny? you can't even define gay people
sqekcx 3 months ago
gays are premiscuous people by nature, gay men especially. they should just all go to some island and kill each other. instead, they wind up infecting the hetero community too, such evil people
cbarrett34 3 months ago
@cbarrett34 are you kidding or really that stupid?
nichtswiezuvor 3 months ago
@cbarrett34
like us gays would have sex with heteros lol
sqekcx 3 months ago
@cbarrett34 Heteros infect heteros too. Everyone is at risk for contracting HIV when they're having unprotected sex. It's not exclusive to a single to a community. Men are naturally promiscuous by nature, their sexuality doesn't make a difference. The reason gay men have the most sex is because it's too naturally promiscuous genders rather than a man and a woman.
TresMcFierce 3 months ago
@TresMcFierce That seems like the most reasonable way of putting it all, well said!
Fournier46 2 months ago
12:00 Yes, you might live longer today if you are positive, but what about life quality?
I don’t think “stupid/stupidity” is the right word, its more misinformation and naivety; through political correctness.
Abstinence that IS stupid, try to see Penn & Teller – Bullshit season 4 ep 10.
Like cancer no mater if it is Prostate, Brest or Leukemia, HIV and AIDS doesn’t discriminate gender or orientation, yes straight/heterosexuals can get it just as easy.
1989Goodspeed 3 months ago
I'm not religious, but I knew that gay people have AIDS.
GTpanik 4 months ago
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DafyddCymraeg 3 months ago
* AIDS fart *
Smells like a slice of Kaposi pie!!!!
* dies of a hangnail *
spicymeatsandwich 4 months ago
Welp, we've had a nice ~3 billion years of life on Earth, but it's looking like it might be time to pack up and go home. Jesus fucking Christ...
9AtNight 4 months ago
@9AtNight
Exactly. These people are actively destroying civilization.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
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Sylvie C. Tourigny, 1998, Qualitative Health Research, 8(2), 149-167
"Belindas's Story:
He said he was afraid to pass it on, so I brought condoms and I sorta made it hard for him to refuse. I knew I would be bleeding... so John don't know there was holes in the condoms".
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
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Jamieishere1 4 months ago
Serious, these people are severely deranged and fucking demented!!! FUCK THIS FUCKING SHIT, THIS IS THE SICKEST SHIT IVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE!!!!!!!
SpikeMichaels 4 months ago
Damn these homos do it to me every time.
100cjkennedy 5 months ago
Meanwhile, the homosexual lobbyists like the atrocious lie-filled site Box Turtle Bulletin continue to deny that bug chasing even exists. And where is the press coverage of this? Homosexual marriage is injected into every conversation about politics in this country, but try to find a mainstream media source that will talk about this.
Pizuzuzimmer 5 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer It was brought to light in a rolling stones article and so has been mainstream news but it is an extremely rare phenomenon and also occurs among heterosexuals btw. Not that many gay men even know about it. This video generally shows a very one sided perspective of promiscuous gay individuals, not the overall picture.
Even among self-described bug chasers, it is almost always just fantasy, rather than something people want to enact in reality.
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
PROVE that this phenomenon exists among heterosexuals. PROVE IT.
You're lying.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer See the Urban dictionary definition of bug chasing. Additionally, according to an article by Caryn Rousseau, DeAnn Kalich, an associate professor of sociology at the University of Louisiana-Lafayette has "talked recently with heterosexual women who claim to be bug chasers."
There are also many heterosexual criminal convictions of heterosexuals who have deliberately transmitted HIV. I will PM you links to the things mentioned above.
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
Criminals who try to pass along the disease to UNWILLING recipients has nothing to do with bug-chasing.
I don't buy this pathetic sociologist's claims for a second. Those people are so PC they can't see past their outstretched hands without finding 'evidence' to denounce the morally normal and protect the perverted. This film shows a WHOLE CULTURE of homo bug chasers. Show me that among heterosexuals. It doesn't exist.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer Indeed, a heterosexual (or gay) person who passes along the disease deliberately to a non-bug-chaser is arguably even worse in that their victim is oblivious and/or unwilling. It is of course still the deliberate transmission of HIV.
Scientists in general are objective, which is different from being PC. Being objective is aimed at deriving reliable evidence.
The film shows a few anecdotal instances of stupid bug chasers who now all seem to regret their behaviour.
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
Scientists in general ARE NOT objective, when you're talking about the study of sexuality. Anyone who has looked closely at the evolution of the disciplines most charged with this task (psychology, psychiatry) can see how much they were changed by essentially political events and pressures. It is child's play to look through the 'research' in those fields on homosexuality in recent years and find methodological and other errors and biases.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer Yes yes, the APA was "stormed by militant homosexuals" or w.e.... I have counters to that claim and will PM you them if that is the line or argument you are seriously pursuing.
Studies are repeated other studies done that rely on their findings. If the initial studies conclusions were inaccurate for whatever reason, this will eventually show when the results conflict with other studies. As you likely know, all published studies are reviewed by anonymous experts prior to publi.
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
The recently deceased sociologist Steven Nock compiled a huge brief for Canada's consideration of homosexual marriage that pointed out how EVERY SINGLE STUDY on homosexual parenting has fatal methodological flaws that prevent its generalizability to the whole population of homosexuals. Every. Single. One.
This of course does not stop the psychologists from making claims about their 'research' that are not true. And it doesn't stop govts from changing policy accordingly.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer The film goes on to show a slightly wider (though still sub-sub-cultural) group of bare-backers, who are not actually bug chasers/gift givers but merely irresponsible morons (like promiscuous heterosexuals who practise unsafe sex).
It's likely that due to bug chasing being soo rare, that it's considered to have an almost negligible impact on HIV rates and therefore not really a hot topic for research.
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
It's far more likely that any researcher who might be inclined to study bug chasing knows full well what repercussions he would suffer professionally if he did so, and esp. if he discovered things the homosexual lobby and its political allies would not like.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer Bug chasing, as you well demonstrate is exactly the kind of thing that conservative extremists would love to get their hands on and suggest that it is some form of widespread conspiracy that is generalizable to all gay people.... so we could just as well expect a strong bias showing bug chasing to be widespread etc etc.
Both of our points are pure, irrelevant speculation that do not specifically relate to any research so far done on it. For the most part, scientists avoid bias.
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
You're naive and clearly don't know anything about how research in the human sciences works. Bias is rampant, and whole disciplines in fact are built on assumptions about what kinds of questions ought be pursued and what kind ought not. Psychology has been decimated by the developments of the 1960s and 1970s, and it will not recover, as it has now infected the rest of the culture with its twisted 'research.'
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer If a study is biased then it's unlikely it will pass peer review and if it does, then future studies that 1) replicate it and 2) rely on it's conclusion will be inconsistent with it and eventually demonstrate that the original study was flawed. Any researcher repeatedly doing this would likely eventually be censored by the major mental health organisations.
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
You're clearly not an academic, if you believe peer review works this way in the real world.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
The cultural revolutionaries call it "boring from within," i.e., getting inside institutions in order to decay and destroy them from inside. They've been entirely successful in psychology, and they've even managed to create whole new 'disciplines' dedicated to the principle that bias is a good and necessary 'correction' of historical injustice--e.g., Queer Studies.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer It's very hard to see how 5% or less of the population could "bore from within" any institution, especially given the historical precedent of widespread heterosexism.
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
As I suspected. This Kalich person just made the claim out of thin air. She has published precisely NOTHING on this. No empirical evidence exists to support it. It's this PC sociologist claiming she has found heterosexual bug chasers. Well, if you have, dear sociologist, why haven't you published on this amazing finding? Is it, perhaps...that you are lying, or that you know your 'work' wouldn't pass peer review?
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer Anyway, I have found a study detailing heterosexual bug chasing:
A study (Sylvie C. Tourigny, 1998, Qualitative Health Research, 8(2), 149-167) in Michigan, it is detailed how six African-American youths, four women and 2 men:
"Initially enrolled as auxiliary respondents in a longitudinal research project centered on HIV/AIDS in inner-city Detroit, they joined family members as primary respondents when they seroconverted after deliberately seeking HIV exposure."
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
I don't see anything indicating those six people were heterosexuals. And even if they were, you now have found a study that discovered SIX heterosexual bugchasers. As the film makes clear, there is an entire CULTURE of this insanity in homosexual male circles, with clubs holding HIV-spreading fuckfests, advertisements in homosexual newspapers, etc. You also have not proven the % is as infinitesimal as you claim.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer No the film makers do not make clear that this is an entire "culture". The film makers show about 3-4 actual bug chasers, basically all of which regret it. They go on to show a bunch of bare-backers who have sex under the stupid assumption that their partners will have the same HIV status as themselves. These bare-backers are apathetic towards HIV contraction and so are the same as any bare-backing heterosexual (both are morons).
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
It is shameful the way you attempt to equate a few random heterosexual psychotics and the thriving bug-chaser and bareback lunatic cultures among male homosexuals. Where are the clubs for heterosexuals like those in the film for homosexuals? And why is it that average # of sexual partners is astronomically higher for homosexual males than for heterosexuals? All the research shows this--even Jonathan Rauch, homo activist, has to admit it in his book on homosexual marriage.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer Bare-backing also occurs among heterosexuals, though the term is usually used to describe homosexuals. Unprotected sex though is rampant among heterosexuals and homosexuals. You haven't established that the "bug chaser" culture is "thriving".
The clubs for heterosexuals like those in this film are called brothalls. Bath houses = brothalls staffed by volunteers.
To the average gay man, bugchasers =homo psychotics.
Plz share with me some statistics on homosexual promiscuity.
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
How do you know what the "average gay man" thinks? Do you think YOU represent the average homosexual's view on such things? Why?
'Brothalls" is not a word, at least not in English. If you mean whorehouses, they are illegal everywhere in the US except in Nevada. The homosexual AIDS-infestation pits, however, continue to operate.
Look at Jonathan Rauch's book on homosexual marriage. He cites the stats, even though he then struggles mightily, and unsuccessfully, to shrink them.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
Show me the heterosexual clubs where people come and fuck dozens of people on a single night, w/o protection, and with moral indifference to the consequences. They don't exist. Why? The reason is clear. Same reason why bars, on singles nights, have to lure women in with free drinks. WOMEN AS A GROUP WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN SUCH STUFF. So heterosexual men might desire it, but they cannot do it. Homo men want it and can create whole cultures around this perverse desire.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer Swingers clubs are another example of the heterosexual version. Wikipedia "Plato's Retreat" for instance.
SOME homo men may want it, just as SOME hetero women do.
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
You continue to obfuscate about the frequency of such things in the two populations. Exceedingly rare to the point of near disappearance in the heterosexual world; far, far more frequent among male homosexuals. You can pretend to ignore this all you like. Doesn't make it go away.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
I'll PM you since it's much easier than spreading our discussion across 6+ comments.
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer You have not proven that it is not an infinitesimal % and the burden of proof is on you, as the claimant. It's irrelevant anyway as they clearly don't represent all homosexuals (or even most of them) and it is not an innate quality of homosexuality.
Regarding the 6 heterosexuals in the study I provided, 4 were women.... if you knew how low the risk of lesbian HIV transmission is then you'd laugh at the idea of one trying to bug chase. There was no mention of homosexuality.
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
You have avoided the question. WHERE DOES THE ARTICLE STIPULATE THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE HETEROSEXUAL AND THEY GOT AIDS FROM HETEROSEXUAL INTERCOURSE?
This is your last chance to respond to that. If you do not, I'm finished with you, b/c you'll have revealed yourself as just another homo lobby ideologue who avoids every topic that challenges your position.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer Didn't I PM you a quote?
Sylvie C. Tourigny, 1998, Qualitative Health Research, 8(2), 149-167
"Belindas's Story:
He said he was afraid to pass it on, so I brought condoms and I sorta made it hard for him to refuse. I knew I would be bleeding... so John don't know there was holes in the condoms."
That's under a section where the author asks how they got HIV (which I believe is present for each of the case studies).
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer Here is another one:
"Luen's story:
I felt he (my HIV positive boyfriend) deserved to have someone with him... and I know I am destined to love and lose and I don't want that anymore... I made the choice not to be left anymore... We don't need to worry about the future, we can enjoy the day, because there is no future to think about”.
That's a quote of one of the other women in the study, again under her "how did you get HIV" bit.
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
I can't find the whole article online, but the abstract does not provide any information to indicate these six people were heterosexuals. Indeed, it doesn't even indicate that they tried to infect themselves through sexual contact at all--as they were in social contexts in which heavy drug use is likely, they may well have pursued contamination through sharing needles with HIV + family members.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
Even w/o having seen it, my prediction would be that at least some if not all of these people are homosexuals or bisexuals and/or IV drug users. I would especially anticipate that the women are either having sex with men who have sex with men or using IV drugs.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer Additionally, whether or not it occurs among heterosexuals isn't essential to refute it as a criticism of homosexuality anyway, given that it is an extreme minority that claim to be bug chasers/gift givers, so much so that the phenomenon was only relatively recently verified as being more than just a myth. Even among this extreme minority, the one study that seems to have so far been done on it identified only a tiny portion of the men were actually serious about it.
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
Extreme minority? Homosexuals are themselves an extreme minority, at best 3-4% of the population. So I guess we should discount that extreme minority as unimportant and irrelevant in the same way you want to dismiss bug chasers. And I'd bet money that bug chasers and other homosexuals who systematically engage in unsafe sexual practices despite the presence of AIDS are WAY more than 3-4%, esp. in places like the Castro.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer Bug chasing has also only relatively recently been discovered, even among gay men, who are significantly more affected by HIV than heterosexuals in developed nations (where the research is funded), so it isn't surprising that there isn't anything on it. There are hardly any studies on gay male bug chasing.
No we don't discount the extreme minority as irrelevant, we simply don't generalize from them to the whole, in the same way that we don't from rapists to heterosexuality.
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
You're desperately avoiding the central issue here, which is that, whether it is a minority of homosexual males or not, if there is an entire CULTURE of such sickness, we are talking about a phenomenon that does not exist among heterosexuals. The next question to ask then is: what about male homosexuals makes them so much more likely than heterosexuals to pursue such sexual insanity?
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer 6 people can also form a sub-culture too. You have not provided any studies showing gay male bug chasing. The central issue is whether it is homosexuality or not that is the psychopathology here. Clearly it is not and generalizing from the anecdotal instances depicted here to an entire population is unjustified.
It does exist among heterosexuals... I've provided you with the study, sent you the t shirt etc etc.
What about gay men makes them more likely? Minority Stress.
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
Minority stress? That's your assumption, but you have no evidence to support it. And indeed if minority stress explains the propensity of homosexuals to engage in dangerous behavior and harm themselves and others, why have suicide rates for homosexuals not markedly decreased over the past 40 years, despite the fact that tolerance of homosexuality has greatly increased in the US? Your theory crumbles to the dust.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer Part 1. Do you have data on suicide rates of homosexuals' suicides over the past 40 years? Tolerance in some parts of the U.S. and among some people has greatly increased but heterosexism still permeates the general population.
Even if generously assuming that bug chasing is more prevalent among gay men than heterosexuals, still doesn't justify generalizing from gay male bug chasers to all gay men, or imposing "collective punishment" on all gay men... tbc.
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
It's funny you suggest someone is arguing for "imposing collective punishment on all [homosexual] men." I don't advocate punishing them. I simply refuse to acknowledge that their sexual culture is morally equal to heterosexual culture, or that their every whim has to be granted, e.g., the desire a small number of them have to 'marry,' which would only distort the meaning and intention of the institution.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer Dude God wants everyone to be lesbians then. YOU FAIL
NAEIRNBRUFORU 4 months ago
@NAEIRNBRUFORU
Do you do all your 'thinking' in terms of Internet baboon tropes and cliches? God doesn't want anything, because God doesn't exist.
Yeah, the human race would have had quite a run if everyone were homosexual, huh, Einstein?
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer DUDE I WAS MOCKING YOU. I assumed you believed in god because you WERE FUCKING RAMBLING ON ABOUT MORALS and the institution. NOT everyone is fucking homo but so what if a small minority are. WTF the big deal over marriage. I don't believe in GOD. I WAS FUCKING BEING SARCASTIC because I ASSUMED YOUR GAY ASS DID.
NAEIRNBRUFORU 4 months ago
@NAEIRNBRUFORU
What a fucking cretin.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer Fuck off dude. I win because yet again your moronic ass can't answer the 1 question staring and stabbing you in your pointy little manwhore face, if you don't believe in god then where morally is being gay wrong? Does it hurt anyone outside it?
NAEIRNBRUFORU 4 months ago
@NAEIRNBRUFORU
Another vulgar illiterate from the gutter who is unaware that moral philosophies without gods have been in existence since the Greeks. But since the stupid haven't been informed of them, they don't exist. Your commonness and lack of education is a stench emanating from every pore of your body, you mentally retarded plebian.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer FUCK OFF i know you're a religious cunt so just go away and suck some jesus dick will you
t the things he doesn't know don't exist' sound like a religious wacko to me
NAEIRNBRUFORU 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer PART 2.... or imposing "collective punishment" on all gay men... in the form of some restriction of liberty. Men are responsible for the vast majority of sexual crimes (90%+ I believe) and 80%+ of all crimes in general. That does not mean that we restrict all men's rights, relative to women's, based upon those statistical facts.
The bug chasing is not an inherent part of homosexuality. You therefore may as well criticise all men, instead of all gay men for bug chasing.
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
We certainly do restrict men's rights on sexual issues. When a woman claims rape, the male accused is generally denied the right to face his accuser. Homosexual men do not have their 'right' to fuck one another to death restricted, but the rest of the society can damn well exercise moral shaming against their propensity to harm themselves and others, and it is under no obligation to pretend that homosexuals ought to be allowed to 'marry.'
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
I've already criticized male sexuality as the culprit. But the problem is massively exacerbated by removing the natural check on male promiscuity--namely, females and their very different evolutionary strategies with respect to sex and mating. Once females are out of the equation, you have only unrestricted fucking machines running around freely, and it should not surprise anyone when bad things, e.g., very high AIDS rates and bug chasing among other horrors, happen.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer Suicide is heavily linked to mental disorders (especially anxiety and depression type ones I believe). The correlation between minority stress and mental disorders among homosexuals is well established (I'll PM you a link showing 10+ studies on it).
I haven't looked in to suicide so much yet but there's also evidence of a direct link with that I believe. I'll PM you a few study quotes on that too.
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
Until the politicization of psychiatry in the 1970s, homosexuality was among those mental disorders that led to higher rates of suicide.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
This is of course the question that has been systematically excluded from the possibility of research by political correctness. Not by objectivity, but by political correctness and the fear on the part of the few remaining researchers out there interested in pursuing objective truth that their careers will end if they propose studies to pursue such lines of inquiry.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer You Wrote: "This is of course the question that has been systematically excluded from the possibility of research by political correctness."
Hahaha you haven't actually looked up bug chasing have you? I spent hours doing so yesterday.... much of the effort is to understand the underlying psychology behind this phenomenon. Though as previously detailed it's very rare and only recently verified as existing, so the research is highly limited.
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
The reality is that we know a LOT about male sexuality, how it works, how it differs from female sexuality, and why the absence of the check on male sexual impulse and evolutionarily imbedded predilections that exists in heterosexuality is likely to produce just the kinds of things we see in male homosexual culture: extreme promiscuity, extreme propensity to unsafe practices and irresponsibility, extreme propensity to divorce sexual encounters from emotional attachment.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer Sounds like a compatibility/complementarity argument :D. There are a subculture of gay men who do as you describe but only a small subculture and you are again just generalizing. There are heterosexuals who do the same.
We know that hetero males are no better than gay ones yes. The presence or absence of the opportunity to be irresponsible does not change the predisposition for it.
Regarding Steven Nock, I'll PM you a response to his claims from a couple of Sociologists.
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
Spare me. I've read the lesbian activist Judith Stacey's affidavit in response. Anyone who knows the slightest thing about statistics and probability (which Stacey doesn't--her work is ENTIRELY qualitative) will recognize that Nock is correct and she is full of shit. She doesn't even challenge his argument. She simply says his standard for generalizability is almost never met in psychology, which is correct, and a good reason to be suspicious of almost all psych 'research.'
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer If psychological research basically never reaches a standard sufficient for you then you have no empirical basis to condemn same-sex parenting. The burden of proof is upon anybody who wishes to restrict the rights of others to justify why they should be able to do so. As you will now be seemingly incapable of that, you are presumably in favour of ss adoption, right?
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
This shows you don't know what you're talking about. The institution of marriage has for a long time been restricted to male-female couples, for good reasons. If you want to change the institution, the burden of proof is on YOU to show that homosexual couples do not weaken the institution. None of the psychological studies prove this, precisely b/c, as Nock notes, they are not representative of the whole population of homosexuals or even homosexual parents.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer I was responding to points about ss couple adoption.... not marriage.
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Jamieishere1
In other words, that there is no heterosexual bug chaser culture is in large measure a result of the fact that women, with their more conservative approach to sexual behavior (in general--there are of course some brazen sluts out there trying to hard to behave sexually like men, but these are evolutionary patterns not undone by cultural changes of the last 40 years), would not participate in it. Remove them from the equation, and you can have more insanity.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer Simply branding those who buck the trend you would like to show as "brazen sluts" does not negate their existence. As only a tiny minority of gay men are bug chasers, clearly they are little more than the "brazen slut" equivalents of the gay male world.
Both heteros and homos do abhorrent things, which do involve their sexuality. That does not make those things instantly generalizable to all who posses that sexuality, or that sexuality a direct causative agent.
Jamieishere1 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer Fuck off moron and answer the FUCKING QUESTION AND STOP BEING A FUCKING DUCE BAG POLITICANS. HOW IS BEING GAY MORALLY WRONG?? DO THEY HURT OTHER PEOPLE. YOU MUST HAVE NO FUCKING family OR FRIENDS.
NAEIRNBRUFORU 4 months ago
@NAEIRNBRUFORU
I've answered your vulgar question. Go educate yourself, cretin. When you start paying me, I'll see it as my responsibility to try to impart wisdom to you. Until then, go plant a cock in your bunghole and spin on it until your intestines burst.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
@Pizuzuzimmer NO YOU HAVEN'T YOU FUCKING MONG. P.S I AM NOT GAY FANNY. ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION YOU DEEB
NAEIRNBRUFORU 4 months ago
@NAEIRNBRUFORU
Nothing funnier than a bellowing baboon on the Internet, with his caps key broken, who takes his own illiteracy for proof that the things he doesn't know don't exist. Send your check and I'll send you a reading list, dumbass. Otherwise shut your bloody pie hole, you're stinking up the joint.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
Bugchasing is to GLBTQ rights as "Smell Yo Dick" is to racial equality.
arickp 5 months ago
I can tell you something as fact, if you took meth out of the equation or drugs
like this, many bug chasers would turn into bug avoiders. Meth is a dirty scum drug as sinister as the virus itself.
155MikeC 5 months ago
dis was horrible omg y would ppl do dis
rassan5 5 months ago
thjis is as entertaining as watching paint dry, find any stupid corner of the world, and people are doing much worse things
Jackalofdeath 6 months ago
@Jackalofdeath lol someone has a serious case of liberal guilt!! Its ok to say something bad about a minority you know. That doesnt automatically make you a bigot. Go ahead and try it. I dare you. Just admit that bug chasing is wrong and the homosexuals that practice it are disgusting slime.
You can't bring yourself to come out and say that can you? haha
FartyFace 5 months ago
I really have to say this is sick. I am in a relationship, I am a gay male and would NEVER participate in this type of sick behavior. And we wonder why we cant get marriage legal, this video is a prime example of what others thing of us .
snowangelchild 6 months ago
The problem is right now, in 2011 worse than ever - since the discovery of good HIV medications in 1996. Private parties, unpoliced, are becoming more popular via the Internet. Any man with money can go to one. People with emotional problems often make sad, self-destructive, and permanent decisions.
gayforlife2020 6 months ago
Looked for this film for AGES! Thanks for sharing. If anyone has 'Gay Sex in the '70s', please share that too :)
ForbiddenFruitStore 6 months ago
This is not a gift, thisis suicide and murder. Why not just take a gun and shoot him and then you dont have to worry about getting shot again!
checkonit123 6 months ago
stop taking retrovir and zimulidine and boxacrap and all those genocidal pharmaceuticals and y'all be just fine
goldentomcat 7 months ago
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity.
sapitron 7 months ago
lol fags
365to173repubsPWNED 7 months ago
So they volunteer for a disease that will leave them debilitated and dependent on tax payer dollars to provide their medical care while people who are sticken with illness at no fault of their own struggle to find the resources they need. It really is unfortunate for the gay community...they don't need another stigma.
Bricksmama 7 months ago
This is fucking disgusting. "Hey guys wanna kill your body and destroy your immune system? lets get aids!"
Sticky1254 7 months ago
cant put four fags in a room without Will & Grace being mentioned.... jeeeesus
FetalJuice88 7 months ago
homosexually is a mental illness!
GET HELP!
TheUnknownGrower 7 months ago
@TheUnknownGrower Oh Please!
adiazrivera 7 months ago
@TheUnknownGrower
What an obvious troll.
Soul44883 7 months ago
fucking fags.kill em all
TheUnknownGrower 7 months ago
AIDS DOESNT EXIST!
TheUnknownGrower 7 months ago
who wants to have HIV its terrible for people that have it and i hope they find a cure but seriously who the fuck wants to get HIV on purpose straight or gay they need a slap to wake there idiot ass up
thexiyz 7 months ago 2
Does anyone know when this documentary was made?
tiwai22 7 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
... not surprised at all, because I know homosexuals and homosexuality is a psychological dysfunction, period! They are not born with it, homosexuals are created due to dysfunctional family/home environments affecting them beginning in early childhood, as young as two years old. For more information on the reality of homosexuality visit whatnatureintended.weebly.com and get the answers.
luistpuig 8 months ago
One thing they didn't mention at all in the documentary was the link between HIV infection rates and crystal meth use. If you Google Doug's name, you'll find an article in POZ magazine where he mentions his penchant for "Tina" during that time..
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arickp 8 months ago
"We can't get HIV again!" WRONG, there's two strains of HIV both of which have sub-types all of which mutate, so you could hasten your death by decades if you think you can't get HIV again!
FieldMarshalRommel23 9 months ago
Yes halo i suppouse it is worst to b a "faggot" than a hater like u
lolitanc 9 months ago
Been wanting to see this forever, im gay, but I have no fucking idea how someone could idolize such a horrible disease, I dare say that they deserved it.
InfiniteRhombus 9 months ago
fucking faggots....
halo3forlyfe 10 months ago
@halo3forlyfe halo 3 fucking sucks
InfiniteRhombus 9 months ago
Finally! Somebody did a public service and posted it! Congratulations thedyingboi!
alonelychild 10 months ago
i mean i'm totally into breath play with my mistress, but this is fucked up.
NutNapalm 10 months ago
This is an extraordinarily important documentary. Thank you for doing the service to uploading this. I am young straight male and I appreciate this. HIV + men and women, stay strong, be safe.
RomanWildernesOfPain 10 months ago
I feel like I got AIDS from just allowing this video to download to my computer.
amalek80 10 months ago
They all deserve death.
amalek80 10 months ago
@amalek80 nice Homophobia u got goin on there
scotscub76 8 months ago
That's one gift I'll pass on ....
keishlovesyou 10 months ago
What those drag queens said was ridiculous. 80-90% of gay men bareback? For them being gay themselves, they should be ashamed of themselves for making such allegations.
Revan46 10 months ago
my heart goes out to these guys , very good documentary . i have worried since the early 1980's about becoming hiv positive but i am not , it is not cool to have hiv virus take care of yourself both hiv - and hiv+ gay men !!!!! love yourself and be strong
bearcub410 1 year ago
Blondie's a real brain at 3:40. She ought to lay off the Aquanet.
DCFunBud 1 year ago 5
@DCFunBud
Actually, that's a skit from Monty Python.
BootboyJohnny 8 months ago
@DCFunBud You totally read my mind! lol
adiazrivera 7 months ago
@DCFunBud Hahahaha
RomanWildernesOfPain 5 months ago
"THE LAZARUS EFFECT" DOCUMENTARY about the organization helping those poor people who can't afford ARV medication to fight off the symptoms of being HIV + should be seen, that there are people out there that want help and wished they never contracted the disease unlike these sick people who chase and give the disease to other people. That is just disgusting and selfish and rubbing it into the people who unfortunately became HIV+ wishing it would never happen to them!!! I felt sick watching this!
miles2057 1 year ago
These people are absolutely disgusting and fucken selfish. I watched a great documentary earlier today called, "The Lazarus Effect" where HIV + people in Zambia ,Africa are so poor, they can't afford the 40 cents a day for the ARV medications [Anti Retro Viral Drugs] that suppresses the deadly symptoms of HIV therefore prolonging peoples lives.They didn't ask to be infected,it was passed down from mothers and from partners in a country where people can't afford basics like condoms etc...
miles2057 1 year ago 2
wish there was a way to download this movie, its a matter of time before its taken off youtube for copyright violation.
amitvarun 1 year ago
thank you so much for put this documentary on the internet. I look for it for months!
caligu48 1 year ago 11