I couldn't give two shits about the mental anguish of a piece of shit terrorist, but I care very deeply about preserving the lives of our citizens. If WB a terrorist, can thwart a terrorist attack, I'm all for it. The reason, is not because I am evil either. The reason, is because I place a far higher value on the lives of our citizenry than I do the mental anguish of a terrorist whose number 1 desire in life, is to die while killing us.
I am completely at a loss to comprehend the rationale of an individual who would call someone evil for WB a terrorist to extract information that has the potential to save lives.
I just don't get that mindset.
I bet Nick Berg's parents wish he had been waterboarded.
OK so lets put the sandle on the other foot. Abdul grabs a down flyer. Would it be OK for Abdul to torture our Airman to learn when is the next bombing run? What are the soft spots of the F-16? Abdul justifies this as it happen to him when in Abu Ghraib, no? Put voltage to the airman's crotch. Waterboard the boy from Kansas. That is OK since that is what the Americans did to Abdul? You can make anyone say anything to stop the pain.
One of the arguments of those that do the interrogating in Iraq is; that is what happens to our guys in the hands of the enemy. Oh Great! now we are getting lessons in how to treat prisoners of war from the other side? Where would we be in the world today if A> We had tortured and mistreated German prisoners? B> Treated Japanese prisoners like they did ours? We would be hated by a lot more people in those countries. If the other side uses gas weapons, do we?
What is good and evil anyways? If evil is used to a good end, is it really evil? If good intentions cause evil effects, are they really good? Point is, good/evil are silly tags since everything is contextual.
Now, I'm not saying I condone torture, but if a person is known to have information vital to the safety of innocents, would torture really be evil?
Explain "know to have information". How can you know without a doubt that someone has information? Just because someone is even a known terrorist, doesn't follow that they will know about a particular attack. This is why they operate in cells. And it's already been shown throughout history that information garnished from torture is unreliable - mainly because the person being tortured will just say anything to make you stop.
Just a note-(there exists no good or evil.If I would have to expand on that,send me a message,cause it's a very complicated personal belief system that would not fit in here) ,but in humanity certain moral concepts must be upheld at the time.
Thanks! Nice thoughts. I have seen the original Daily Show on tv. But now, I'm searchig for it on Internet and I can't find the whole clip! Can somebody help me? I'd really like to get that video.
Oh! By the way, most democratic countries send their prisoners in other undemocratic affiliate-countries so that they torture the prisoners for them. Of course it's under the supervision of the "democratic country" :(
You hit the nail on the head, our country was founded on the principals of rule of law and due process.
Israel had secure cockpit doors and armed marshalls on every flight since the late 1960's and we suffer 3,000 plus deaths and an attack on our commerce and military hubs because lawfully possessed Stanley knives make it onto airliners.
Do a google search for "Capt. URI BAR-LEV" and when you find the link, scroll down to "thwarting hijackers".
Thanks for posting this, Reluctant Redneck. I live in Alabama, surrounded by people who've rationalized evil American practices for so long that they've pretty much sold their souls. It's great to see proof that my occasional stereotyping of rednecks is as wrong as Red state occupants' stereotyping of everybody who's not just like them.
Wow, to make a statement like that makes Australians look barbaric and ignorant if 300 million Americans, if any one so chooses to visit Australia have the possibility of being attacked for the policies of one American.
Its Australia mate, thats the way it goes. Try visiting the middle east. Would you go around to everyone saying you are American even though you hate the policies. Thats life.
Strike Austrailia off my list of places to travel to and spend money. How come you guys didn't spend all that energy helping win the Vietnam conflict? Oh, that's right mate, you guys are good at attack tourists, not guys with guns. Fair dinkum.
We cannot tell you how to run your country but I feel its only fair to let you know that free peoples from around the world will always band together to oppose countries that ignore or abuse human rights to attain their goals.
The only question is , will America lead the fight against these countries or be the threat that we all must band against?
Oh, I'm not saying torture isn't evil. I'm just saying that people that do that can't be classified so...unrealisticly, I suppose. But I totally agree that torture isn't good. Sorry about the misunderstanding.
Oh how witty. *rolls eyes* Not really seeing as I'm only twelve, and I can't do much "good" or "bad". But I assure you, I don't bully people on the playground, or step on cats! Come on people, I'm not saying that torture is good, the message is great, but good and evil? Black and white? Meh, not too close to reality for me...
Believe me, if you were the one being tortured you'd see the black and white of evil. It would bring a new meaning to reality. And I'm not really talking about good and evil as absolutes. I'm just saying that torture is evil. I'll stand by that. Thanks for your comments.
ok, I don't approve of torture in any way or form but I cracked up everytime you said evil. What are you, eight? You still think the world is divided into good and evil? Black and white? This was of "evil" as you call it, is just the type stupid people do, because it makes contreversy. There are smarter, disceeter ways to be, *ahem* "evil" as you call it.
Can i ask you, all of you, how we should protect our country from Terrorist (re:9/11)How do we get the information to prevent further attacks? Further innocent lives lost? I don't condone or even like Torture. I just want to ask EVERYBODY for viable ways to get the info and protect ourselves.
There is no evidence that info obtained under torture is reliable, a person will say anything to avoid further torture. Also a policy of torture fuels more generations of people who want to kill Americans for stripping people of human rights. There was a time (especially under Carter) that America stood for human rights, now it stands for barbarism.
Can i ask you, all of you, how we should protect our country from Terrorist (re:9/11)How do we get the information to prevent further attacks? Further innocent lives lost? I don't condone or even like Torture. I just want to ask EVERYBODY for viable ways to get the info and protect ourselves.
ever wondered why the only countries with recent terrorism problems are ones involved in the USA's foreign policy (UK, Spain etc). One day Americans will realise that they are not fighting terrorism, they are fighting the reaction to their foreign policy, and the unconditional support of Israel. You are losing allies all the time, and now Blair is gone you will lose Britain also. America is hugely in debt due to wars, it will all end badly for America in the next few years.
Have you noticed that the Terrorist attacks started WAY WAY before the invasion of IRAQ. Hijacked Aircraft, Cruise Ships, Bombed Embassies, Bombed Marine Barracks, Attacked Warships (USS Cole) Human Bombings on Bus's, Cafes, Cinema's etc... Thousands upon thousands KILLED, BEFORE IRAQ.
There are ways of "torturing" that are not really torturing. Have you read General Tagabos report to congress on the prisons in Iraq? Making a father sodomize his son is not a good way to get info and it makes the U.S. look like animals. That is just one of the events at one of the prisons. We cannot be the moral aurthority in the world and condone torture. Do we want our soldiers treated that way? We can no longer allow this admin to ignore the Geneva Convention.
Shame you arn't in politics, shame I'm not American in that sense because if i was, I'd vote for for presidancy just by what you just said. Bush is a war criminal who is now seeking legitamacy on his actions to condone torture = evil. Bush, you are an 'evil doer'... now watch me take this shot.
You are evil buddy,it would take you one second to hurt someone who had your daughter or wife or dodge pick up tuuck.You just happen to be lucky,dumb and safe.When your luck runs out,you wake up and find out you are no longer safe on the couch watching hee haw,trust me, you would turn on your mother my friend-
With means of torture one can make Bush confess he is actually Osama's evil twin brother and partner in terrism. Ones tortured enough, anyone will confess to anything, just to stop the pain. But what is it that a torturar actually gains by doing so? He didn't get the truth, he only got what he wanted to hear.
Did you read 1984? Some people are really that evil that they say that "God is Power", and that this is slogan is reversable, and that the only way to show that you have power is to inflict pain upon another human being, otherwise how do you know he's following your will and not his own? These people are, of course, sick. As the guy says "If you condone torture, you're evil".
Sorry to tell you but the dictionary creates a circular logic loop by trying to use it as a premise for defining evil. The definition in this subjective statement comes out too: - morally wrong or bad.
Thats a pretty open ended issue because a lot of people will go as far as to state that torture of any human, guilty or innocent is morally wrong.
Please keep in mind... I'm not saying you're wrong. In alot of these situations I CAN see it as being necessary. I just say, leave it to the courts to decide when it is necessary or leave it in the hands of a military tribunal... but not in the hands of the President (regardless of WHO the President IS).
I agree with that, as well. I'm a big fan of jury nullification to take care of those instances where the codified rules fall short. Thanks for your insight.
Has anybody ever noticed that the biggest supporters of this torture bill and president bush is the ted haggard crowd? The same people that denounce harry potter, a fictional character, as evil believe that the president is within his rights to torture people?
hmmmm....maybe binladen needs to send a couple of canadian commercial jets full of innocent people into a couple of canadian high rises....Somehow I think your post will change...BIG TIME !
Every day brings us one step closure to true fascism, wherein the many serve the will of the few, the 'government.' Fascism only occurs when good people stand by, believing that evil maintains a certain distance from our daily lives. Out of sight, out of mind. How did torture become so impersonal? It is intimate in the ugliest sense of the word. It exists only with our permission. Evil doesn't need approval, it only needs a blind eye.
Thank you for addressing a simple truth- Evil exists because of the complacency of those able yet unwilling to STOP IT. We have many examples of how adaptable mankind is. We can quickly learn to first tolerate, then accept, awful acts of violence. Torture has no purpose other than to gain power by stealing it from others. Torture uncovers only one truth: The collective minds of millions can adapt to awful violence when given a cunning leader and rhetoric that feeds the fear in people.
Very good video. When I saw the "Reluctant Redneck" tag I wasn't quite sure what to expect. I was pleasantly surprised though by the content.
Some say torture can be justified in the right context. This is a very slipperly slope. At bottom, torture is either right or it is wrong and if it is wrong then it is NEVER ok to use it.
Interesting fact pointed out by George Will: "By Jan. 20, 2009, all the elected presidents for 44 consecutive years will have come from three Southern states — Texas, Arkansas, Georgia — and Southern California."
Well...so much for the stereotype that all rednecks are brain dead. You have a very eloquent and easy-going way of speaking, which I like. Keep up the good work.
Interesting fact pointed out by George Will: "By Jan. 20, 2009, all the elected presidents for 44 consecutive years will have come from three Southern states — Texas, Arkansas, Georgia — and Southern California."
Im one who does NOT hate you. You speak truth, and you strengthen faith in the American people to open their eyes to the truth. The world is angry, but it is also full of support and concern for good men like yourself. We're all in this together. Stay true, brother.
Holy Crap! A redneck I can agree with. The world needs to know that there are Americans who feel this way, I find it a great relief. "Evil begets Evil" well said man.
Interesting fact pointed out by George Will: "By Jan. 20, 2009, all the elected presidents for 44 consecutive years will have come from three Southern states — Texas, Arkansas, Georgia — and Southern California."
torture was outlawed in the US how long ago, I thought everyone was equel under the law,but now some believe they are above and beyond that foolishness
Thanks to everyone here that posted, too (except for one person, may God have mercy on his soul). My husband and I are relieved that so many others agree that tortue is just wrong. Evil happens when we treat other humans as non-human.
I am very impressed. Some people have a lovely ability to express comlex situations with insight and class. Your video was a simple leasure to watch. On the content I am also very much with your views. Keep up the quality and the observation and i hope that it starts to have some effect outside of this site.
I don't know anything about you as a person in general, and won't begin to make any presumptions about your character.
That said, this commentary seemed thoughtful and sincere, and--while I may be a bit more accepting of forceful policies than some--I agree with you here, wholeheartedly. Well said.
Torture was wrong the first time it was practiced, and torture remains wrong today. Even when force is required, disconnect from knowledge of the humanity of others is not.
Most Americans say "I cannot believe the Govt would kill 3000+ innocent Americans for propaganda and political reasons." Please add this " ... AGAIN." Because they've already done it numerous times. Look up "The Future is Calling" by former John Birch, G. Edward Griffin, re. Lusitania and Prl Harbor. Look up Operation Gladio and Op Northwoods. Memorize "helpful wave of public indignation". There's more too.
Al-Qaeda has ALWAYS BEEN a subsidiary of the CIA. In 1978, to LURE the Russians into Afgh. From 79 to 89 to kick them out. In 1993 at WTC, "Al-Qaeda" was an Egyptian working for FBI, named Emad Salem. Embassy attacks and Cole was Al-Qaeda, Egyptian agent named Ali Muhamed, ALSO a US Army Sgt. Look up Senate Republican Kosovo Report. Guess who?
There ARE NO INDEPENDENT TERRORISTS. Al-Qaeda is like Manpower or Kelly.
Thanks, you are truely speaking truth to power. Ever since I found out that our country, supposedly the beacon of light was torturing people I have been angry. Deep, guy-wrenching fury. I appreciate you telling the truth. Torture is evil.
If we have to become Al Queda to defeat Al Queda, then we've already lost. Maybe you want to sacrifice our great country to stupidity and evil, but I don't.
You want a country that get's it's rocks off on torture? Move to Iran. They'll love ya there.
but because it is done, and a common practice (whether you know about it or not), means that it is done and you shouldn't be so surprised when you learn about it happening. sorry to burst your bubble. sorry about smashing them rose-colored glasses of yours.
Oh, believe me, i've long since ground my rose colored glasses into the dirt and left them behind. I have no faith in people, but I still want them to change, and the "way things are" is WRONG. Like torture.
finally after reading all these post I run across one person with a brain. Its amazing how many brainless idiots that are out there that don't have a clue about reality. An earlier post that if we become them to defeat them we've lost. I'm sure if those that died in 911 would love to hear you talk that way. Wake up, stupid, when your dealing with this kind of terror you do ANYTHING it takes to stop it.
You guys are idiots. Torture is only common practice because we let it be. You guys, who go with the flow, are the idiots, who seem to think we can't change reality. You don't have to use torture to get what you want, it leads to more torture, hate, war, genocide. We humans capable of peaceful interaction.
Try stopping it before it happens. As in be liked instead of hated though out the world. Terror only exists because we fear ourselves so lets get rid of that fear. Don't say you make it sound so easy. It is easy. We just have to accept our differences and fall under a general mind set. Ashcroft, don't try to think what those who died in 911 would feel; if they did feel hatred, it would would be from murder, rape, etc. that happens on a daily basis. Thats how vengeance is created.
goofy works at disneyworld. and that's where you belong. in a magical kingdom where everything is puppydogs and cotton candy. why don't you go find a terrorist and give him a big hug, you anti-american sisterfucker.
Another nitwit who knows nothing about our countries' history. It has nothing to do with "niceness" and everything to do with being Patriotic. Pull your lips off Bush's butt. Torture is stupid, counter-productive and evil.
thank you for posting this. Right on! What the current administration calls "interrogation techniques" (such as water-boarding) are established methods of torture. We are breaking so many international laws these days.. it is so sad! Also I agree w/ you - the apathy w/in the US society provides an environment in which the administration gets away with so much!!! people like you, with courage to speak their mind, are helping to chip away at the apathy. Thank you so much!
THIS IS THE AVERAGE AMERICAN! He's right, there is right and there is wrong and what our supposed government is proving itself as EVIL as Stalin and Hitler!
It's always a good feeling to see someone who is trying to keep their heart in the right place in the midst of this mess... It's easy to argue that the ends justify the means, but these prisoners are human beings who fight for what they believe in, just like us. Maybe our little beliefs conflict, but the point should be to help out all our brethren, not just our immediate family, or those of our country. The world is a big place and it needs big minds.
Thought for the day.A former Russian spy can be irradiated to death in UK, the radioactive trail followed and within a week every bus, hotel and restaurant he visited identified while the massed armies of the West can't find a single WMD in Iraq in 5 years.I rest my case!
I don't know who I feel more sorry for, US or Iraqi's.
If you told me on September 10, 2001 that in 5 years most of our Bill of Rights and international standing would be in the toilet, I would never, ever believe it. Hell, right this minute I can't believe it.
Why do we deserve to exist in the luxury and decadence that we have, if it is at the expense of torturing and exploiting others?
Why should the other 3 billion people want our 300 million to live? Because we have "democracy"? What does "democracy" mean? That the majority of the 50 million that vote in our country elect a government that kicks everybody else around and tortures anybody who is not among the elite 300 million that live here?
Smart man, torture is not only evil, it is unreliable as well. I could beat the shit out of someone, drag there face into thumbtacks etc, until I get them to say they are a dog, the fact is that they said they were dogs purely because I was causing them pain, not because they are dogs.
Simple message, plainly stated, and quite correct. I'm glad to see so many supportive messages above, too. Too often, people let political divisions and conflicts blind them to the simple truths, and find themselves awkwardly defending an immoral practice. Anyway, right on!
Not only is it evil; it doesn't work. Anyone who is being tortured will say anything to make it stop. Whatever information we get from someone who has been tortured lacks credibility.
I couldn't give two shits about the mental anguish of a piece of shit terrorist, but I care very deeply about preserving the lives of our citizens. If WB a terrorist, can thwart a terrorist attack, I'm all for it. The reason, is not because I am evil either. The reason, is because I place a far higher value on the lives of our citizenry than I do the mental anguish of a terrorist whose number 1 desire in life, is to die while killing us.
Whitese7en 2 years ago
I am completely at a loss to comprehend the rationale of an individual who would call someone evil for WB a terrorist to extract information that has the potential to save lives.
I just don't get that mindset.
I bet Nick Berg's parents wish he had been waterboarded.
"Soon you will know"
Whitese7en 2 years ago
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einLesenderArbeiter 1 year ago
OK so lets put the sandle on the other foot. Abdul grabs a down flyer. Would it be OK for Abdul to torture our Airman to learn when is the next bombing run? What are the soft spots of the F-16? Abdul justifies this as it happen to him when in Abu Ghraib, no? Put voltage to the airman's crotch. Waterboard the boy from Kansas. That is OK since that is what the Americans did to Abdul? You can make anyone say anything to stop the pain.
SpartanCaver 2 years ago
One of the arguments of those that do the interrogating in Iraq is; that is what happens to our guys in the hands of the enemy. Oh Great! now we are getting lessons in how to treat prisoners of war from the other side? Where would we be in the world today if A> We had tortured and mistreated German prisoners? B> Treated Japanese prisoners like they did ours? We would be hated by a lot more people in those countries. If the other side uses gas weapons, do we?
SpartanCaver 2 years ago
Its nice to see some people here have some common sense. Great video.
brokengrrl1980 2 years ago
GAH! Floating head! . . . with good points.
missle59 2 years ago
Very straight to the point mate.
nightprowler10 2 years ago
Well said.
LDSofficial 3 years ago
Good for you
heather78usn 3 years ago
What is good and evil anyways? If evil is used to a good end, is it really evil? If good intentions cause evil effects, are they really good? Point is, good/evil are silly tags since everything is contextual.
Now, I'm not saying I condone torture, but if a person is known to have information vital to the safety of innocents, would torture really be evil?
noray161 3 years ago
Explain "know to have information". How can you know without a doubt that someone has information? Just because someone is even a known terrorist, doesn't follow that they will know about a particular attack. This is why they operate in cells. And it's already been shown throughout history that information garnished from torture is unreliable - mainly because the person being tortured will just say anything to make you stop.
YerTalkingKrap 3 years ago
Thank you for showing this, you're a good guy. Hope Bush and company watch it too.
carplake2006 3 years ago
Just a note-(there exists no good or evil.If I would have to expand on that,send me a message,cause it's a very complicated personal belief system that would not fit in here) ,but in humanity certain moral concepts must be upheld at the time.
Lobolover 3 years ago
Thanks! Nice thoughts. I have seen the original Daily Show on tv. But now, I'm searchig for it on Internet and I can't find the whole clip! Can somebody help me? I'd really like to get that video.
Oh! By the way, most democratic countries send their prisoners in other undemocratic affiliate-countries so that they torture the prisoners for them. Of course it's under the supervision of the "democratic country" :(
stevenaudet 4 years ago
Whatever happened to the concept of not sinking to the level of your enemies?
keyboardplaya 4 years ago 5
You hit the nail on the head, our country was founded on the principals of rule of law and due process.
Israel had secure cockpit doors and armed marshalls on every flight since the late 1960's and we suffer 3,000 plus deaths and an attack on our commerce and military hubs because lawfully possessed Stanley knives make it onto airliners.
Do a google search for "Capt. URI BAR-LEV" and when you find the link, scroll down to "thwarting hijackers".
We dropped the ball on 9/11.
ShiekUrBooty 4 years ago
you are so right!That says about everything.
mrkprice 4 years ago
run for president, you got my vote.
GazzerLaptop 4 years ago
Thanks for posting this, Reluctant Redneck. I live in Alabama, surrounded by people who've rationalized evil American practices for so long that they've pretty much sold their souls. It's great to see proof that my occasional stereotyping of rednecks is as wrong as Red state occupants' stereotyping of everybody who's not just like them.
davehshs 4 years ago
Thanks!
ReluctantRedneck 4 years ago
Im in Australia and Ive seen a real shift in Australian hating America because of all of Bushes malicious policies and actions.
American tourists are attacked on many occasions where as they were welcome before Bush took office.
Fatpandas 4 years ago
Wow, to make a statement like that makes Australians look barbaric and ignorant if 300 million Americans, if any one so chooses to visit Australia have the possibility of being attacked for the policies of one American.
Baylorphi 4 years ago
Its Australia mate, thats the way it goes. Try visiting the middle east. Would you go around to everyone saying you are American even though you hate the policies. Thats life.
Fatpandas 4 years ago
Strike Austrailia off my list of places to travel to and spend money. How come you guys didn't spend all that energy helping win the Vietnam conflict? Oh, that's right mate, you guys are good at attack tourists, not guys with guns. Fair dinkum.
ShiekUrBooty 4 years ago
We cannot tell you how to run your country but I feel its only fair to let you know that free peoples from around the world will always band together to oppose countries that ignore or abuse human rights to attain their goals.
The only question is , will America lead the fight against these countries or be the threat that we all must band against?
imopman 4 years ago
If what you say is true, then why is Cuba still under Castro? How did Darfor happen? What about the ethnic cleansing in Kosovo?
What are you "band" against? Fight and win your own battles and we'll keep our noses out of your business.
ShiekUrBooty 4 years ago
you are the smartest, wisest, most level-headed redneck i have ever heard the opinion of and i have complete respect for you.
jordan1980 4 years ago 3
Vote Ron Paul!!
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rundoetx 4 years ago
sweet powerade hat!
EskayProductions 4 years ago
Oh, I'm not saying torture isn't evil. I'm just saying that people that do that can't be classified so...unrealisticly, I suppose. But I totally agree that torture isn't good. Sorry about the misunderstanding.
CheeseLoversUnited 4 years ago
No problem. It's all opinion. I'm wrong sometimes. My wife reminds me often... 8^(
ReluctantRedneck 4 years ago
Oh how witty. *rolls eyes* Not really seeing as I'm only twelve, and I can't do much "good" or "bad". But I assure you, I don't bully people on the playground, or step on cats! Come on people, I'm not saying that torture is good, the message is great, but good and evil? Black and white? Meh, not too close to reality for me...
CheeseLoversUnited 4 years ago
Believe me, if you were the one being tortured you'd see the black and white of evil. It would bring a new meaning to reality. And I'm not really talking about good and evil as absolutes. I'm just saying that torture is evil. I'll stand by that. Thanks for your comments.
ReluctantRedneck 4 years ago
ok, I don't approve of torture in any way or form but I cracked up everytime you said evil. What are you, eight? You still think the world is divided into good and evil? Black and white? This was of "evil" as you call it, is just the type stupid people do, because it makes contreversy. There are smarter, disceeter ways to be, *ahem* "evil" as you call it.
CheeseLoversUnited 4 years ago
So I guess you're one of the smarter ones?
ReluctantRedneck 4 years ago
If the tourture of Prisoners makes the US evil then we have always been evil since the begging.
Deo Vindici
CandelarioGalvan 4 years ago
Well Said
DHK91 4 years ago
Thank you
DHK91 4 years ago
Can i ask you, all of you, how we should protect our country from Terrorist (re:9/11)How do we get the information to prevent further attacks? Further innocent lives lost? I don't condone or even like Torture. I just want to ask EVERYBODY for viable ways to get the info and protect ourselves.
red5llaw 4 years ago
There is no evidence that info obtained under torture is reliable, a person will say anything to avoid further torture. Also a policy of torture fuels more generations of people who want to kill Americans for stripping people of human rights. There was a time (especially under Carter) that America stood for human rights, now it stands for barbarism.
phydan 4 years ago
That is not what I Asked. I Ask, HOW should we go about gaining information to avoid further Terrorist Attacks? Tell oh Great Wise Ones...
red5llaw 4 years ago
Can i ask you, all of you, how we should protect our country from Terrorist (re:9/11)How do we get the information to prevent further attacks? Further innocent lives lost? I don't condone or even like Torture. I just want to ask EVERYBODY for viable ways to get the info and protect ourselves.
red5llaw 4 years ago
ever wondered why the only countries with recent terrorism problems are ones involved in the USA's foreign policy (UK, Spain etc). One day Americans will realise that they are not fighting terrorism, they are fighting the reaction to their foreign policy, and the unconditional support of Israel. You are losing allies all the time, and now Blair is gone you will lose Britain also. America is hugely in debt due to wars, it will all end badly for America in the next few years.
CyrusGuitar 4 years ago
Have you noticed that the Terrorist attacks started WAY WAY before the invasion of IRAQ. Hijacked Aircraft, Cruise Ships, Bombed Embassies, Bombed Marine Barracks, Attacked Warships (USS Cole) Human Bombings on Bus's, Cafes, Cinema's etc... Thousands upon thousands KILLED, BEFORE IRAQ.
red5llaw 4 years ago
There are ways of "torturing" that are not really torturing. Have you read General Tagabos report to congress on the prisons in Iraq? Making a father sodomize his son is not a good way to get info and it makes the U.S. look like animals. That is just one of the events at one of the prisons. We cannot be the moral aurthority in the world and condone torture. Do we want our soldiers treated that way? We can no longer allow this admin to ignore the Geneva Convention.
canthink4myself 4 years ago
Shame you arn't in politics, shame I'm not American in that sense because if i was, I'd vote for for presidancy just by what you just said. Bush is a war criminal who is now seeking legitamacy on his actions to condone torture = evil. Bush, you are an 'evil doer'... now watch me take this shot.
buggerweepisspoo 4 years ago
Good man, Well Said..
red9t7 4 years ago
Thank you, I am always glad to hear people form the USA who see other people as human beings.
karendavies1234 4 years ago
It's as simple as that.
23Pliskin23 4 years ago
Well said,Congress should have that little talk with EVIL GEORGE EVIL BUSH!
AnthonyWashpot 4 years ago
You are a very intelligent man. Have you ever been on a major tv talk show? I'd sure vote for you. Thank you again.
irishnamma43 4 years ago
Thank you.
ReluctantRedneck 4 years ago
This is another reason I love rednecks
nailersrule 4 years ago
Well said!!!
gravyhound 4 years ago
Thanks!
ReluctantRedneck 4 years ago
You are evil buddy,it would take you one second to hurt someone who had your daughter or wife or dodge pick up tuuck.You just happen to be lucky,dumb and safe.When your luck runs out,you wake up and find out you are no longer safe on the couch watching hee haw,trust me, you would turn on your mother my friend-
ttopflyer 4 years ago
Good call.
ReluctantRedneck 4 years ago
With means of torture one can make Bush confess he is actually Osama's evil twin brother and partner in terrism. Ones tortured enough, anyone will confess to anything, just to stop the pain. But what is it that a torturar actually gains by doing so? He didn't get the truth, he only got what he wanted to hear.
snoeeterkuuk 4 years ago
Did you read 1984? Some people are really that evil that they say that "God is Power", and that this is slogan is reversable, and that the only way to show that you have power is to inflict pain upon another human being, otherwise how do you know he's following your will and not his own? These people are, of course, sick. As the guy says "If you condone torture, you're evil".
1000Demons 4 years ago
Glad to see common sense can still be found in some parts of America
articvol2007 4 years ago
Thank you for proving that not all americans (not even all rednecks) are fascist idiots.
Actromophile 4 years ago
good statment u made me like america again... there is still hope we just need more people like u!
gregleb0ss 4 years ago
Thanks!
ReluctantRedneck 4 years ago
Define what is good and evil.
mrchacko 4 years ago
Check the dictionary. I don't want to play that game. Thanks for watching.
ReluctantRedneck 4 years ago
Sorry to tell you but the dictionary creates a circular logic loop by trying to use it as a premise for defining evil. The definition in this subjective statement comes out too: - morally wrong or bad.
Thats a pretty open ended issue because a lot of people will go as far as to state that torture of any human, guilty or innocent is morally wrong.
mrchacko 4 years ago
I would agree with that statement.
ReluctantRedneck 4 years ago
Please keep in mind... I'm not saying you're wrong. In alot of these situations I CAN see it as being necessary. I just say, leave it to the courts to decide when it is necessary or leave it in the hands of a military tribunal... but not in the hands of the President (regardless of WHO the President IS).
mrchacko 4 years ago
I agree with that, as well. I'm a big fan of jury nullification to take care of those instances where the codified rules fall short. Thanks for your insight.
ReluctantRedneck 4 years ago
Has anybody ever noticed that the biggest supporters of this torture bill and president bush is the ted haggard crowd? The same people that denounce harry potter, a fictional character, as evil believe that the president is within his rights to torture people?
jesseball 5 years ago
Yes, legalization of torture set one deadly fucking precident, it is now legal, that is mindboggling. What century are we in , damnit?
Stantzs 5 years ago
Exactly my point. Just amazes me that there are that many people out there with an IQ lower than their belt size !
ashcroft8 5 years ago
hmmmm....maybe binladen needs to send a couple of canadian commercial jets full of innocent people into a couple of canadian high rises....Somehow I think your post will change...BIG TIME !
ashcroft8 5 years ago
Shut up stupid...go over to iraq and see some real torture...geeesh people, wake up.
ashcroft8 5 years ago
lovely :) If only all americans felt that way... :(
iwontellu 5 years ago
Thanks. I think most do...
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
Every day brings us one step closure to true fascism, wherein the many serve the will of the few, the 'government.' Fascism only occurs when good people stand by, believing that evil maintains a certain distance from our daily lives. Out of sight, out of mind. How did torture become so impersonal? It is intimate in the ugliest sense of the word. It exists only with our permission. Evil doesn't need approval, it only needs a blind eye.
coldiane 5 years ago
Thanks for the great comments.
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
Thank you for addressing a simple truth- Evil exists because of the complacency of those able yet unwilling to STOP IT. We have many examples of how adaptable mankind is. We can quickly learn to first tolerate, then accept, awful acts of violence. Torture has no purpose other than to gain power by stealing it from others. Torture uncovers only one truth: The collective minds of millions can adapt to awful violence when given a cunning leader and rhetoric that feeds the fear in people.
coldiane 5 years ago
wow. you got my respect. Even if i am from a different party perspective, you said it better then i have heard it presented before. you rock!
uly138 5 years ago
Thank you.
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
Very good video. When I saw the "Reluctant Redneck" tag I wasn't quite sure what to expect. I was pleasantly surprised though by the content.
Some say torture can be justified in the right context. This is a very slipperly slope. At bottom, torture is either right or it is wrong and if it is wrong then it is NEVER ok to use it.
oldschoolsherdogger 5 years ago
Thanks.
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
thank you
phenox1 5 years ago
This floating head is creepy. Good speach thou.
xSloboxx 5 years ago
Yeah, I got away from that. Check out my new vids at my ReluctantRedneck channel. Thanks, Tony.
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
Keep puting it out there keep on the presure
joemwm 5 years ago
Thanks. Be sure to check out my new channel, ReluctantRedneck. It's where I post my new vids. Thanks, Tony.
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
Well Done!! How can one who says they're "Christian", not agree with your comments.?
1962thunderbird 5 years ago
Thanks!
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
Interesting fact pointed out by George Will: "By Jan. 20, 2009, all the elected presidents for 44 consecutive years will have come from three Southern states — Texas, Arkansas, Georgia — and Southern California."
tempbutter 5 years ago
Well...so much for the stereotype that all rednecks are brain dead. You have a very eloquent and easy-going way of speaking, which I like. Keep up the good work.
Drunkentig3r 5 years ago
Thanks!
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
Interesting fact pointed out by George Will: "By Jan. 20, 2009, all the elected presidents for 44 consecutive years will have come from three Southern states — Texas, Arkansas, Georgia — and Southern California."
tempbutter 5 years ago
keep it up.
hepcatmoe 5 years ago
Im one who does NOT hate you. You speak truth, and you strengthen faith in the American people to open their eyes to the truth. The world is angry, but it is also full of support and concern for good men like yourself. We're all in this together. Stay true, brother.
Tenebrae2347 5 years ago
Thanks!
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
Holy Crap! A redneck I can agree with. The world needs to know that there are Americans who feel this way, I find it a great relief. "Evil begets Evil" well said man.
Markdorman 5 years ago
lol. Yeah, I think that line might have come from a preacher in a B-movie western, but I don't remember... lol Thanks for your comment.
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
Interesting fact pointed out by George Will: "By Jan. 20, 2009, all the elected presidents for 44 consecutive years will have come from three Southern states — Texas, Arkansas, Georgia — and Southern California."
tempbutter 5 years ago
torture was outlawed in the US how long ago, I thought everyone was equel under the law,but now some believe they are above and beyond that foolishness
joemwm 5 years ago
It's all part of the process to pare down the constitution. We are in danger of becoming a police state.
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
well said my good sir... well said
tristsoldier 5 years ago
Thanks!
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
Damn straight. Thanks, Redneck!
Thanks to everyone here that posted, too (except for one person, may God have mercy on his soul). My husband and I are relieved that so many others agree that tortue is just wrong. Evil happens when we treat other humans as non-human.
So let's rise up, make a fuss, and BE HEARD.
mhigdon 5 years ago
Great comment. Thanks.
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
Preach it, brotha!
Tavat 5 years ago
I am very impressed. Some people have a lovely ability to express comlex situations with insight and class. Your video was a simple leasure to watch. On the content I am also very much with your views. Keep up the quality and the observation and i hope that it starts to have some effect outside of this site.
rowinggraeme 5 years ago
Thank you.
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
AMERICAN PATRIOT Bless you good sir well said.
stoniez 5 years ago
GOOD WORK, ReluctantRedneck.
Evil. It really IS that simple.
barb99999 5 years ago
Thanks!
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
I don't know anything about you as a person in general, and won't begin to make any presumptions about your character.
That said, this commentary seemed thoughtful and sincere, and--while I may be a bit more accepting of forceful policies than some--I agree with you here, wholeheartedly. Well said.
Torture was wrong the first time it was practiced, and torture remains wrong today. Even when force is required, disconnect from knowledge of the humanity of others is not.
FreakOfNurture 5 years ago
Great comment. Thanks!
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
Most Americans say "I cannot believe the Govt would kill 3000+ innocent Americans for propaganda and political reasons." Please add this " ... AGAIN." Because they've already done it numerous times. Look up "The Future is Calling" by former John Birch, G. Edward Griffin, re. Lusitania and Prl Harbor. Look up Operation Gladio and Op Northwoods. Memorize "helpful wave of public indignation". There's more too.
dilbertgeg 5 years ago
Al-Qaeda has ALWAYS BEEN a subsidiary of the CIA. In 1978, to LURE the Russians into Afgh. From 79 to 89 to kick them out. In 1993 at WTC, "Al-Qaeda" was an Egyptian working for FBI, named Emad Salem. Embassy attacks and Cole was Al-Qaeda, Egyptian agent named Ali Muhamed, ALSO a US Army Sgt. Look up Senate Republican Kosovo Report. Guess who?
There ARE NO INDEPENDENT TERRORISTS. Al-Qaeda is like Manpower or Kelly.
dilbertgeg 5 years ago
Wonderful. Perfect. In terms we all understand.
Torture is Evil. There is no doubt about it.
Thank you.
tae1720 5 years ago
Thanks!
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
Some things really are simple. This is one of them. Thank you for saying it.
ericevans0 5 years ago
Thanks.
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
Thanks, you are truely speaking truth to power. Ever since I found out that our country, supposedly the beacon of light was torturing people I have been angry. Deep, guy-wrenching fury. I appreciate you telling the truth. Torture is evil.
98168 5 years ago
Thanks for your comment.
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
no terrorist attacks in canada either, and last I checked they don't torture.
wblackst 5 years ago
yeah, they just rely on the usa for their security.
tdejmcd 5 years ago
If we have to become Al Queda to defeat Al Queda, then we've already lost. Maybe you want to sacrifice our great country to stupidity and evil, but I don't.
You want a country that get's it's rocks off on torture? Move to Iran. They'll love ya there.
tae1720 5 years ago
Good point.
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
see above, moron.
torture has always been used to get information.
this is not a new thing.
welcome to reality. you and that moronic redneck guy have a thing or two to learn about the way things really work.
tdejmcd 5 years ago
Listen, asswipe, just because something "is" does not mean something OUGHT to be. You stupid douche
kalel325 5 years ago
but because it is done, and a common practice (whether you know about it or not), means that it is done and you shouldn't be so surprised when you learn about it happening. sorry to burst your bubble. sorry about smashing them rose-colored glasses of yours.
tdejmcd 5 years ago
Oh, believe me, i've long since ground my rose colored glasses into the dirt and left them behind. I have no faith in people, but I still want them to change, and the "way things are" is WRONG. Like torture.
kalel325 5 years ago
finally after reading all these post I run across one person with a brain. Its amazing how many brainless idiots that are out there that don't have a clue about reality. An earlier post that if we become them to defeat them we've lost. I'm sure if those that died in 911 would love to hear you talk that way. Wake up, stupid, when your dealing with this kind of terror you do ANYTHING it takes to stop it.
ashcroft8 5 years ago
You guys are idiots. Torture is only common practice because we let it be. You guys, who go with the flow, are the idiots, who seem to think we can't change reality. You don't have to use torture to get what you want, it leads to more torture, hate, war, genocide. We humans capable of peaceful interaction.
birrsorc 4 years ago
Try stopping it before it happens. As in be liked instead of hated though out the world. Terror only exists because we fear ourselves so lets get rid of that fear. Don't say you make it sound so easy. It is easy. We just have to accept our differences and fall under a general mind set. Ashcroft, don't try to think what those who died in 911 would feel; if they did feel hatred, it would would be from murder, rape, etc. that happens on a daily basis. Thats how vengeance is created.
birrsorc 4 years ago
no terrorist attacks in the usa since 9/11.
move to canada if you don't like it.
tdejmcd 5 years ago
That's just goofy...
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
goofy works at disneyworld. and that's where you belong. in a magical kingdom where everything is puppydogs and cotton candy. why don't you go find a terrorist and give him a big hug, you anti-american sisterfucker.
tdejmcd 5 years ago
Another nitwit who knows nothing about our countries' history. It has nothing to do with "niceness" and everything to do with being Patriotic. Pull your lips off Bush's butt. Torture is stupid, counter-productive and evil.
tae1720 5 years ago
Thank you.
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
listen, asshole, why don't you go hug a terrorist?
as if scumbags weren't tortured when clinton was president.
please. stop being so naive.
tdejmcd 5 years ago
Your on a roll, tdejmcd,...you tell them !!! Tell all these dumbasses that will probably vote for Hillary to wake up and face reality !
ashcroft8 5 years ago
thank you mister.
marisolchow 5 years ago
Thanks!
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
thank you for posting this. Right on! What the current administration calls "interrogation techniques" (such as water-boarding) are established methods of torture. We are breaking so many international laws these days.. it is so sad! Also I agree w/ you - the apathy w/in the US society provides an environment in which the administration gets away with so much!!! people like you, with courage to speak their mind, are helping to chip away at the apathy. Thank you so much!
falconer6 5 years ago
This video shows the America the world once loved. We, citizens of the free world, want this America back.
KarkovStP 5 years ago
Yes we do. Thanks!
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
Thanks for standing up fot truth, honesty and real American values.
softearth 5 years ago
Thanks for listening.
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
TORTURE IS EVIL...I AGREE
jaguarxj220i 5 years ago
THIS IS THE AVERAGE AMERICAN! He's right, there is right and there is wrong and what our supposed government is proving itself as EVIL as Stalin and Hitler!
MaxFubarProductions 5 years ago
Thanks for your comment!
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
thanks.
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
It's always a good feeling to see someone who is trying to keep their heart in the right place in the midst of this mess... It's easy to argue that the ends justify the means, but these prisoners are human beings who fight for what they believe in, just like us. Maybe our little beliefs conflict, but the point should be to help out all our brethren, not just our immediate family, or those of our country. The world is a big place and it needs big minds.
thisisaproxy 5 years ago
Great point. Thanks!
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
hear hear good sir!
hear hear....
must say i was doubtful when i saw the name "redneck", but i was pleasantly surprised.
the progress of society depends on socially responsible and humane thinking. every time we forsake this we take another step back.
keep up the good work, mate.
abjectsurrender 5 years ago
Thanks for your comment, Tony.
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
Thought for the day.A former Russian spy can be irradiated to death in UK, the radioactive trail followed and within a week every bus, hotel and restaurant he visited identified while the massed armies of the West can't find a single WMD in Iraq in 5 years.I rest my case!
I don't know who I feel more sorry for, US or Iraqi's.
Darryld1 5 years ago
I'm glad this was aired before Youtube becomes a US controlled media source like Google is in China.
What would happen if everyone who disagreed with 'Bush' and his supporters converted to Buddhism? 'Peace' is a theory folks.
Darryld1 5 years ago
Thanks for your comment.
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
Wow. More than I would expect from a redneck. ;)
If you told me on September 10, 2001 that in 5 years most of our Bill of Rights and international standing would be in the toilet, I would never, ever believe it. Hell, right this minute I can't believe it.
I want my country back!
SaintFu 5 years ago
Me too. Thanks
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
Why do we deserve to exist in the luxury and decadence that we have, if it is at the expense of torturing and exploiting others?
Why should the other 3 billion people want our 300 million to live? Because we have "democracy"? What does "democracy" mean? That the majority of the 50 million that vote in our country elect a government that kicks everybody else around and tortures anybody who is not among the elite 300 million that live here?
dcartist 5 years ago
Thanks for your comment.
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
Has anyone told you you look like Richard Dreyfuss? :P
Ulfar22 5 years ago
Most folks think I look like jaws... lol.
Thanks, Tony
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
Smart man, torture is not only evil, it is unreliable as well. I could beat the shit out of someone, drag there face into thumbtacks etc, until I get them to say they are a dog, the fact is that they said they were dogs purely because I was causing them pain, not because they are dogs.
iainshields 5 years ago
Thanks for the comment.
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
Simple truth and totally on the
spot ! We should send this to all
politicians in Washington.
FuzzyTheBear 5 years ago
Thanks.
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
Simple message, plainly stated, and quite correct. I'm glad to see so many supportive messages above, too. Too often, people let political divisions and conflicts blind them to the simple truths, and find themselves awkwardly defending an immoral practice. Anyway, right on!
zadignose 5 years ago
Thanks!
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago
Not only is it evil; it doesn't work. Anyone who is being tortured will say anything to make it stop. Whatever information we get from someone who has been tortured lacks credibility.
huffdaddy76 5 years ago
Thanks.
ReluctantRedneck 5 years ago