Hell is real, and those who aren't saved will unfortunately experience it. You can deny it. "that works for some people" "those are your beliefs and i'm entitled to my own" well. if a truck is coming at you, you can deny it all you want..but your still gonna get flattened.
Unfortunately this song is true. Dont despise the truth especially when it's trying to warn you of how not to go to that terrible place. Jesus is the Way.
awful music, lame attempt to spread "his" word. christopher hitchens, sam harris, and richard dawkins are slowly winning through true intelligence. not by terrible excuses of music.
@blindedbro Then why did Sam get torn a new one by WLC, and why did Dawkins refuse to debate him? I know, because Dawkins is afraid of losing a debate...again. Hard to disprove God. Dawkins will say otherwise, but he's debated lessers like Ted Haggard. WLC is an intellectual PH'd Christian scholar.
I hope you find the truth. If the New Atheists had their way, like Hilter and Stalin, they'd destroy dissenters.
What makes it is the background noise like, IDK how to describe it...But you hear it in just about any Zelda game that there is a fire Temple, kinda like an electrical purr. It makes it just sounds...hot...Like BURNING hot, don't really know how to describe it but I rate this song 5*
Allow me to squelch your bickering. Not to judge, but it IS immature for anyone to bicker like this in any context. Don't worry, I understand, all men die as children, since man was meant to live 1000 years. Dying at 120 is like dying as a child.
As for your argument. Allow me to point out something:
The "beast which speaks and produces an image" could be nothing else but the COMPUTER. After all, it "convinces people that it thinks" and look at all the sci-fi about sentient computers...
as for the "mark of the beast", if I am correct in the above comment, then it stands to reason that the "mark" used to buy and sell, and store personal information as the Bible describes, can ONLY be a microchip such as the VeriChip, which is the size of a grain of rice, and has been approved by the FDA for implantation in human beings.
How else could anti-Christ control all mankind, unless he had a way to simply "short out" your "mark" and instantly kill you.
The Beast which speaks and produces an image = COMPUTER
Mark of the Beast = VeriChip-type RFID implant
"he shall cause all, both small and great, to receive a mark on their right hand or their forehead, and no one could buy or sell unless they had taken the mark of the beast, and the number of his name"
What marks with numbers? Digital ID tags, including the VeriChip.
Remember what Hitler did to the Jews using BAR CODES? Imagine that with modern tech.
XD Ya, what are you on a computer then? XD I am not sure what it is, but since I am saved I don't have to be worried about it, cause I won't see it! ^-^
for a good understanding of Hell for Christians check out the old sermon "sinners in the hands of an angry GOD" it is a clear scriptural lesson on Hell. Its real, and it's worse than anything you could imagine! much worse.
Are you retarded or somthing. Your getting degraded by the scriptures now you go into child mode. I have never in my life seen a grown man act like a damn child man! You is stupid negro.
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That's all you can say. You've been whopped by the scriptures so all you can do now is call me names. Your nothing but worthess trash who belongs in Africa with your people. You wannabe Hebrew. Your no Israelite.
Why are you avoiding my question. Show me proof see it goes to show that you are grabbing things from the air. See what happens when you are a grown man who lacks wisdom. You become a fool.
WMitD, you claim it is a parable, but why should we believe your claim? Were you hoping others would just take your word for it? Please provide evidence for the assertion that it is a mere parable (and, no, name calling [e.g. "dumb ass"] does not make your support your claim).
If you attempt to provide evidence, also explain how that parable could make any sense if hell is not a place of torment and flame? The saying takes for granted a belief in a place after death of torment and flame.
WMitD, why the repetition? Why are you trying so hard to discuss any subject *EXCEPT* the subject at hand?
Should I assume you (a man who claims to be a prophet) are incapable of explaining Luke 16:23-24? Should I assume you have quietly conceded on this issue?
Or, if you have not forfeited the discussion, then I invite you to finally get back to the original subject, and explain Luke 16:23-24. Would a mere grave have conscious individuals being tormented in flame?
KHAMMURABI, thank you for that display of your ability to employ filthy communications.
Have you noticed that Tahar (WMitD) has been unwilling (and probably unable) to explain Luke 16:23-24? Have you seen how he tried to dodge the subject and change the subject to anything else possible? Why should anyone believe GMS's claims of being the only ones with 100% truth, or the claims that they're prophets, the Apostles reincarnated, et cetera, if they cannot defend the doctrines they push?
WMitD, thanks for returning to the subject, but you're going in circles. You have been told twice now that John 11 gives the impression that Lazarus died in Christ's time. You claimed that the Lazarus in Luke 16 is different from the one in John 11, and I asked you to provide support for this claim (you dropped the subject). As for the name of the rich man, I am not aware of the text giving his name. Now, would you like to finally get around to explaining how a mere grave has torment and flame?
44:2 Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut. 44:3 It is for the prince; the prince, he shall sit in it to eat bread before the LORD; he shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate, and shall go out by the way of the same.
WMitD, I'll be more than happy to discuss the doctrine of the Ever Virgin with you *AFTER* you either explain Luke 16:23-24 or admit that you don't have an answer (by the way, in the past you had an opportunity to discuss Ezek 44:2, but avoided that subject too - to understand how that passage is relevant to the Ever-Virgin, you first need to figure out who is speaking in Zech 12:10, or explain the difference between the declarations in Judith 13:18 and Luke 1:42).
WMitD, recall that my very first comment on this video (from yesterday) noted that there are verses which have "hell" in the KJV that could be understood as the grave. However, one way to understand Acts 2 is to jump to 1 Peter 3:18-20 (i.e. after Christ died, He went to a certain "prison" where the people kiled in the flood are). In Acts 2:31, note the distinction between soul and flesh (are bodies or souls put in graves?).
WMitD, I, personally, know of no verse which says the Lord was tormented.
Now, was the man in Luke 16:23-24 who went to Hades tormented in flame? The text clearly says that he was. So I am asking you to explain: if hell is always the grave, would a mere grave have conscious individuals being tormented in flame?
WMitD, again, I know of no passage which says that Christ was tormented in Hades. Nor do I see any reason to believe that Christ would be tormented in Hades.
Now, the question is: was the man in Luke 16:23-24 tormented in the flames of Hades? The text clearly says that he was. So my question is: how can a place where a man is conscious, and is tormented and in flames, be a mere grave? That is what I would like for you to explain.
WMitD, in 1 Peter 3:18-20, when Christ went to "Prison," was He having the exact same experience as those He was preaching to?
According to John 19:30, when Christ died, His spirit separated from His body. We know his body was put in a sepulchre. His soul was in Hades. Do you believe Hades is the sepulchre?
With that, now let me say again: the text does not say Christ was tormented. The text does say the man was tormented. So how is a place of torment and flame a mere grave?
WMitD, you seem to claim that Hades is always the grave (but you have not explained how one can be tormented in flame in a mere grave). Do you also believe Gehenna is the grave? Will a person sent to Gehenna be in unquenchable fire (Mark 9:43)? Will persons in Hades be judged and those not in the Book of Life be cast into a Lake of Fire (Rev 20:13-15)? Are those persons in the Lake of Fire tormented forever (Rev 20:10)? Are all these verses referring to merely the grave?
WMitD, whether or not your name or my name is written in the Book of Life is God's decision. We'll both find out eventually. But the question is: what happens to those who are not in the Book of Life? Are they cast into a lake of fire? Will persons in that lake of fire be tormented forever?
Now, I still hope you might answer my questions: do you also believe Gehenna is the grave? And can you explain Luke 16:23-24? Is a place where conscious persons are tormented in flame a mere grave?
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
WMitD, you've accused me of "filibustering" in the past, yet here we see you AGAIN trying to change the subject. Rather than getting into a side debate about who or what you or I think the beast and false prophet are, let's focus on the lake of fire: will those in the lake of fire be tormented forever? Yes or no?
And here's the original question you have yet to answer: as per Luke 16:23-24, is a place where conscious persons are tormented in flame a mere grave?
13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
KHAMMURABI, what is your evidence that it is a mere metaphor?
And, are you saying that Tahar is too important or busy to explain that passage, but he is not too important or busy to stay in this comment board for hours, constantly engaging in name calling, repeating himself, and trying to change the subject? His behavior thus far gives the impression that he has plenty of time to kill, but he is intent on avoiding a serious discussion on the doctrines which he pushes.
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
WMitD, this is one of the questions you always go to when you want to change a subject. As is always the case, I turn it back on you: are YOU an Edomite? How do you know? Do you have a coherent methodology? You have never answered those questions.
But of course, a better question would be: why are you trying to change the subject?
Try to focus on the original subject, and explain Luke 16:23-24. Would a mere grave have conscious individuals being tormented in flames?
More importantly, are you trying to change the subject?
Stay focused on the original subject rather than trying to run to other, unrelated, subjects. You claimed hell is simply the grave. If that is the case, would a mere grave have people being tormented in flames? I'm still waiting for your explanation of Luke 16:23-24.
WMitD, stop trying to "filibuster" and get back to the original subject. I'll be more than happy to discuss whether the Lord was in Hell *AFTER* you answer the original question: would a mere grave have people being tormented in flames? How do you explain Luke 16:23-24 if hell is the grave? The fact that you insist on avoiding this question speaks rather loudly about you most likely being wholly incapable of explaining that verse, but I look forward to your answer, if you have any.
WMitD, still trying to avoid the subject? First answer my question: how do you explain Luke 16:23-24? How does a mere grave have conscious individuals being tormented in flame?
You can call me names (e.g. "Edomite," "lil devil"), but if you do so without answering the question, it becomes clear that you're just doing such out of frustration. The fact that you are so desperate to discuss any subject but the actual subject hints that you might actually be afraid of Luke 16:23-24.
WMitD, I already told you that John 11 gives the impression that Lazarus died in Christ's time. You asserted that two different Lazaruses are being discussed in Luke 16 and John 11, so I asked you to provide a reason for this claim. You changed the subject, and now have come back full circle to it. Is there a point you're trying to make? I'll be happy to answer your question(s) after you first explain Luke 16:23-24. (And, no, a mere question is not an explanation.)
WMitD, you should take your own advice. YOU are the one who claims to be a teacher, scholar, Prophet (and even a reincarnated Apostle?). I make no such claims about myself. Why do you "act like you know the truth" if you cannot defend the doctrines you push on your impressionable followers?
Now, sir, I am still waiting for your explanation of Luke 16:23-24. How can a mere grave have conscious individuals being tormented in flame? You are trying to discuss any subject except this one. Why?
WMitD, that very verse actually has come up in my past writings, so I am very much willing to discuss it with you (and in that discussion, I'll bring up the Septuagint, Rev 20:13-14, Matt 12:31-32, 2 Mac 12:44, Mark 9:49, and other texts). But first I want you to answer my question. How do you explain Luke 16:23-24? Does a mere grave have conscious individuals being tormented in flame? Answer the original subject, then we can move on to other passages or other subjects.
And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
Indeed, in certain passages of the KJV, a word which can be understood as the grave is translated "hell". But is a place where the soul is tormented in flames (Luke 16:23-24) really a mere grave?
16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
WMitD, I would respond to your question with another question: can a person survive a fall from the 99th floor of a sky scraper? The answer is no, yet nonetheless, when the Twin Towers were burning in 2001, otherwise rational people tried to seek relief from the flames by jumping out windows at roughly that height (and thus fell to their deaths).
So, would a person engulfed in flames be desperate for even the smallest relief? Yes.
WMitD, I would answer your question with this question: do you still believe in the Bible?
The Bible says this took place. In what sense would it not be "historical"? Or would you like to claim it is a mere metaphor or parable? If so, please provide reasons for why we should think such (aside from the fact that a plain reading of the text does not mesh well with GMS theology).
WMitD, based on John 11, I would assume Lazarus' death took place during Christ's time.
Now, sir, in the past you have accused me of "filibustering". Yet here we see you have yet to answer the original question: is a place where a person is tormented in flames a mere grave?
WMitD, perhaps the Lazarus in John 11 is not the same as the one in Luke 16, but since you're the one making the claim, what is your support for that claim?
And you can call me "lost soul" all you want, but the fact remains that you have not answered the original question. You claimed hell is the grave, but is a place where people are tormented in flames a mere grave?
WMitD, is that your argument? To just repeat your claim that it is simply the grave? Here again is the question: would a mere grave have conscious people being tormented in flames?
You have consistently avoided the original question. Now, please attempt to answer it.
to rapture now... truth about hip hop is aload of lies. ofcourse you can use hip hop in a christian song i got saved in a gospel concert so god must like it iv souls r getting saved
@SolideoGloriafella Of course, some of it is true, but we must use our language to communicate to the unsaved, and to engage the saved. The language of some is rap music. If you're speaking of the culture that's associated with hip hop, that's a different thing, @Rapturenow, and there are some things there that are shady. As for Timothy and others, they're obviously not subject to this culture.
@musicbox2345 I've decided to just listen to whatever I want. If G. CRAIG LEWIS can celebrate Christmas then I can listen to my music. It's as simple as that.
Saw your site. Some other good pastors are Tim Conway Mark Dever Jeff Noblit Tom Ascol James White Can't even order Brindle or Linne... even at LifeWay or BestBuy
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 2 timothy 4:3-4
God is real, heaven and hell aare real if you dont believe that death is real and life is short.
dRill3d 6 days ago
MAN
goldenhawk952 4 weeks ago
this is truth!
beastyman116 2 months ago
Hell is real, and those who aren't saved will unfortunately experience it. You can deny it. "that works for some people" "those are your beliefs and i'm entitled to my own" well. if a truck is coming at you, you can deny it all you want..but your still gonna get flattened.
kaciep91 9 months ago 4
Unfortunately this song is true. Don't despise the truth, especially this truth. Jesus is the Way.
Brycelikeice 10 months ago
Unfortunately this song is true. Dont despise the truth especially when it's trying to warn you of how not to go to that terrible place. Jesus is the Way.
Brycelikeice 10 months ago
awful music, lame attempt to spread "his" word. christopher hitchens, sam harris, and richard dawkins are slowly winning through true intelligence. not by terrible excuses of music.
blindedbro 10 months ago
@blindedbro Then why did Sam get torn a new one by WLC, and why did Dawkins refuse to debate him? I know, because Dawkins is afraid of losing a debate...again. Hard to disprove God. Dawkins will say otherwise, but he's debated lessers like Ted Haggard. WLC is an intellectual PH'd Christian scholar.
I hope you find the truth. If the New Atheists had their way, like Hilter and Stalin, they'd destroy dissenters.
metaljaybird 9 months ago
@metaljaybird who is WLC?
kewlazpewp 3 months ago
@kewlazpewp William Lane Craig
queenfoursuited 2 months ago
Christian country and metal are for me but we need all styles to preach the good news
insane4christ2 1 year ago
To God be the glory.
KYG30 1 year ago
AWESOME TRUTH - CHRISTIAN OR NOT DON'T SLEEP ON THIS FAM...
UnrealHelix 1 year ago 11
love this song classic
devon8trillionaire 1 year ago
Satan get away from me, Jesus is lord and master. Him commandeth my life from now and everafter.
Jesus please guide me forever! Satan can suck my balls!
ThisIsAVideoForJesus 1 year ago
@ThisIsAVideoForJesus wow u must be bored
UnrealHelix 1 year ago
What makes it is the background noise like, IDK how to describe it...But you hear it in just about any Zelda game that there is a fire Temple, kinda like an electrical purr. It makes it just sounds...hot...Like BURNING hot, don't really know how to describe it but I rate this song 5*
333GodRools777 2 years ago
Allow me to squelch your bickering. Not to judge, but it IS immature for anyone to bicker like this in any context. Don't worry, I understand, all men die as children, since man was meant to live 1000 years. Dying at 120 is like dying as a child.
As for your argument. Allow me to point out something:
The "beast which speaks and produces an image" could be nothing else but the COMPUTER. After all, it "convinces people that it thinks" and look at all the sci-fi about sentient computers...
Grimblix 2 years ago
as for the "mark of the beast", if I am correct in the above comment, then it stands to reason that the "mark" used to buy and sell, and store personal information as the Bible describes, can ONLY be a microchip such as the VeriChip, which is the size of a grain of rice, and has been approved by the FDA for implantation in human beings.
How else could anti-Christ control all mankind, unless he had a way to simply "short out" your "mark" and instantly kill you.
Such things are VERY real.
Grimblix 2 years ago
To sum up what I've just said:
The Beast which speaks and produces an image = COMPUTER
Mark of the Beast = VeriChip-type RFID implant
"he shall cause all, both small and great, to receive a mark on their right hand or their forehead, and no one could buy or sell unless they had taken the mark of the beast, and the number of his name"
What marks with numbers? Digital ID tags, including the VeriChip.
Remember what Hitler did to the Jews using BAR CODES? Imagine that with modern tech.
Grimblix 2 years ago
XD Ya, what are you on a computer then? XD I am not sure what it is, but since I am saved I don't have to be worried about it, cause I won't see it! ^-^
333GodRools777 2 years ago
Than what are you doing on a computer?
Pressence101 2 years ago
for a good understanding of Hell for Christians check out the old sermon "sinners in the hands of an angry GOD" it is a clear scriptural lesson on Hell. Its real, and it's worse than anything you could imagine! much worse.
postsaftermerjkn 2 years ago
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Are you retarded or somthing. Your getting degraded by the scriptures now you go into child mode. I have never in my life seen a grown man act like a damn child man! You is stupid negro.
SiriusUfosummoner7 2 years ago
yo don't swear
ohilovelost23 2 years ago 6
Your right I shouldn't use the same language as these Greatmillstone fools. Ill only appear as them.
SiriusUfosummoner7 2 years ago 2
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That's all you can say. You've been whopped by the scriptures so all you can do now is call me names. Your nothing but worthess trash who belongs in Africa with your people. You wannabe Hebrew. Your no Israelite.
SiriusUfosummoner7 2 years ago
Your statement proves you are easy to defeat.
Prov 29:9
If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet.
SiriusUfosummoner7 2 years ago
Why are you avoiding my question. Show me proof see it goes to show that you are grabbing things from the air. See what happens when you are a grown man who lacks wisdom. You become a fool.
SiriusUfosummoner7 2 years ago
WMitD, you claim it is a parable, but why should we believe your claim? Were you hoping others would just take your word for it? Please provide evidence for the assertion that it is a mere parable (and, no, name calling [e.g. "dumb ass"] does not make your support your claim).
If you attempt to provide evidence, also explain how that parable could make any sense if hell is not a place of torment and flame? The saying takes for granted a belief in a place after death of torment and flame.
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
Did the Lord go to the same hell(Acts2)as the rich man in (Luke 16)?
Abu
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
Break it down then "whitemanisthedevil"
ANTICHRISTisFunny 2 years ago
WMitD, why the repetition? Why are you trying so hard to discuss any subject *EXCEPT* the subject at hand?
Should I assume you (a man who claims to be a prophet) are incapable of explaining Luke 16:23-24? Should I assume you have quietly conceded on this issue?
Or, if you have not forfeited the discussion, then I invite you to finally get back to the original subject, and explain Luke 16:23-24. Would a mere grave have conscious individuals being tormented in flame?
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
FUCK YOUR MOTHER ABU!!!!
khammurabi 2 years ago
KHAMMURABI, thank you for that display of your ability to employ filthy communications.
Have you noticed that Tahar (WMitD) has been unwilling (and probably unable) to explain Luke 16:23-24? Have you seen how he tried to dodge the subject and change the subject to anything else possible? Why should anyone believe GMS's claims of being the only ones with 100% truth, or the claims that they're prophets, the Apostles reincarnated, et cetera, if they cannot defend the doctrines they push?
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
When did Luke 16:23-24 take place,and whats the name of the rich man?
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
WMitD, thanks for returning to the subject, but you're going in circles. You have been told twice now that John 11 gives the impression that Lazarus died in Christ's time. You claimed that the Lazarus in Luke 16 is different from the one in John 11, and I asked you to provide support for this claim (you dropped the subject). As for the name of the rich man, I am not aware of the text giving his name. Now, would you like to finally get around to explaining how a mere grave has torment and flame?
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
44:2 Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut. 44:3 It is for the prince; the prince, he shall sit in it to eat bread before the LORD; he shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate, and shall go out by the way of the same.
Ezek.44:2.
Abu,who did you get mary out of that?
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
WMitD, I'll be more than happy to discuss the doctrine of the Ever Virgin with you *AFTER* you either explain Luke 16:23-24 or admit that you don't have an answer (by the way, in the past you had an opportunity to discuss Ezek 44:2, but avoided that subject too - to understand how that passage is relevant to the Ever-Virgin, you first need to figure out who is speaking in Zech 12:10, or explain the difference between the declarations in Judith 13:18 and Luke 1:42).
Now explain Luke 16:23-24.
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
I'm giving your dumb ass the answer,but you cant seem to get it,oh,I almost forgot,
you're not an Israelite.
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
You're not going to be happy in slavery.
abu
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
Is the greek word ᾅδης writen in Luke 16:23-24,as well as Acts 2:31?
did the Lord and the rich man go to the same place?
abu
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
WMitD, recall that my very first comment on this video (from yesterday) noted that there are verses which have "hell" in the KJV that could be understood as the grave. However, one way to understand Acts 2 is to jump to 1 Peter 3:18-20 (i.e. after Christ died, He went to a certain "prison" where the people kiled in the flood are). In Acts 2:31, note the distinction between soul and flesh (are bodies or souls put in graves?).
Now, explain Luke 16:23-24.
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
Was the Lord tormented yes or no?
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
WMitD, I, personally, know of no verse which says the Lord was tormented.
Now, was the man in Luke 16:23-24 who went to Hades tormented in flame? The text clearly says that he was. So I am asking you to explain: if hell is always the grave, would a mere grave have conscious individuals being tormented in flame?
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
Luke 16:23-24 is written in red,the Lord himself is telling the story.
Did some one tell him the story,or was he
there to witness it himself?
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
WMitD, when Christ told Peter he would deny Him, did some other person tell Him this would happen? Or did He simply have knowledge of the issue?
Now, can you explain Luke 16:23-24 itself?
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
If the lord went to the same place as the rich man,he had to experience the same thing,am I correct?
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
WMitD, I don't see how it follows that if Christ was ever in hell, He had to experience the same thing.
Now, I look forward to you explaining how a mere grave could have conscious persons being tormented by fire.
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
So was the Lord tormented?
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
WMitD, again, I know of no passage which says that Christ was tormented in Hades. Nor do I see any reason to believe that Christ would be tormented in Hades.
Now, the question is: was the man in Luke 16:23-24 tormented in the flames of Hades? The text clearly says that he was. So my question is: how can a place where a man is conscious, and is tormented and in flames, be a mere grave? That is what I would like for you to explain.
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
If 2 men are in a house,and the house is
engulfed in fire,do both men suffer torment
from the fire?
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
WMitD, in 1 Peter 3:18-20, when Christ went to "Prison," was He having the exact same experience as those He was preaching to?
According to John 19:30, when Christ died, His spirit separated from His body. We know his body was put in a sepulchre. His soul was in Hades. Do you believe Hades is the sepulchre?
With that, now let me say again: the text does not say Christ was tormented. The text does say the man was tormented. So how is a place of torment and flame a mere grave?
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
WMitD, you seem to claim that Hades is always the grave (but you have not explained how one can be tormented in flame in a mere grave). Do you also believe Gehenna is the grave? Will a person sent to Gehenna be in unquenchable fire (Mark 9:43)? Will persons in Hades be judged and those not in the Book of Life be cast into a Lake of Fire (Rev 20:13-15)? Are those persons in the Lake of Fire tormented forever (Rev 20:10)? Are all these verses referring to merely the grave?
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
Are you written in the Book of Life?
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
WMitD, whether or not your name or my name is written in the Book of Life is God's decision. We'll both find out eventually. But the question is: what happens to those who are not in the Book of Life? Are they cast into a lake of fire? Will persons in that lake of fire be tormented forever?
Now, I still hope you might answer my questions: do you also believe Gehenna is the grave? And can you explain Luke 16:23-24? Is a place where conscious persons are tormented in flame a mere grave?
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev.19:20
The above scripture mentions "the beast",
"the false prophet",and "received the mark of the beast"
"They were cast alive into a lake of fire"
Who or what are they,please explain?
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whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
WMitD, you've accused me of "filibustering" in the past, yet here we see you AGAIN trying to change the subject. Rather than getting into a side debate about who or what you or I think the beast and false prophet are, let's focus on the lake of fire: will those in the lake of fire be tormented forever? Yes or no?
And here's the original question you have yet to answer: as per Luke 16:23-24, is a place where conscious persons are tormented in flame a mere grave?
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
If you know who the beast and false prophet are,you would have a better understanding of the lake of fire,and hell.
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
Hell? Show me in the Old Testament where the ancient Hebrews spoke about this Christinized Hell see how much you don't understand you childish adult.
SiriusUfosummoner7 2 years ago
13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Rev.13:9-10.
What does the above scripture mean,abu?
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
Abu Boo
It's a metaphor. you carnal idiot
Elder Tahar has better things to do to explain something to an idiot like you. Your a slave anyway.
khammurabi 2 years ago
KHAMMURABI, what is your evidence that it is a mere metaphor?
And, are you saying that Tahar is too important or busy to explain that passage, but he is not too important or busy to stay in this comment board for hours, constantly engaging in name calling, repeating himself, and trying to change the subject? His behavior thus far gives the impression that he has plenty of time to kill, but he is intent on avoiding a serious discussion on the doctrines which he pushes.
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
ROFL HARD!!! XD You Heathens are so dumb!!! XD
khammurabi 2 years ago
He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
acts2:31
Was the Lord tormented?
Abu
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
dan.12:10.
Read it good abu.
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
WMitD, this is one of the questions you always go to when you want to change a subject. As is always the case, I turn it back on you: are YOU an Edomite? How do you know? Do you have a coherent methodology? You have never answered those questions.
But of course, a better question would be: why are you trying to change the subject?
Try to focus on the original subject, and explain Luke 16:23-24. Would a mere grave have conscious individuals being tormented in flames?
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
WMitD, are YOU an Edomite?
More importantly, are you trying to change the subject?
Stay focused on the original subject rather than trying to run to other, unrelated, subjects. You claimed hell is simply the grave. If that is the case, would a mere grave have people being tormented in flames? I'm still waiting for your explanation of Luke 16:23-24.
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
Was the Lord tormented in hell?
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
WMitD, stop trying to "filibuster" and get back to the original subject. I'll be more than happy to discuss whether the Lord was in Hell *AFTER* you answer the original question: would a mere grave have people being tormented in flames? How do you explain Luke 16:23-24 if hell is the grave? The fact that you insist on avoiding this question speaks rather loudly about you most likely being wholly incapable of explaining that verse, but I look forward to your answer, if you have any.
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
Was the Lord tormented in hell, you lil devil?
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
WMitD, still trying to avoid the subject? First answer my question: how do you explain Luke 16:23-24? How does a mere grave have conscious individuals being tormented in flame?
You can call me names (e.g. "Edomite," "lil devil"), but if you do so without answering the question, it becomes clear that you're just doing such out of frustration. The fact that you are so desperate to discuss any subject but the actual subject hints that you might actually be afraid of Luke 16:23-24.
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
When did Luke 16:23-24 take place?
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
WMitD, I already told you that John 11 gives the impression that Lazarus died in Christ's time. You asserted that two different Lazaruses are being discussed in Luke 16 and John 11, so I asked you to provide a reason for this claim. You changed the subject, and now have come back full circle to it. Is there a point you're trying to make? I'll be happy to answer your question(s) after you first explain Luke 16:23-24. (And, no, a mere question is not an explanation.)
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
Abu,stop acting like you know the truth.
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
WMitD, you should take your own advice. YOU are the one who claims to be a teacher, scholar, Prophet (and even a reincarnated Apostle?). I make no such claims about myself. Why do you "act like you know the truth" if you cannot defend the doctrines you push on your impressionable followers?
Now, sir, I am still waiting for your explanation of Luke 16:23-24. How can a mere grave have conscious individuals being tormented in flame? You are trying to discuss any subject except this one. Why?
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Psa 16:10
What did David mean in the above scripture?
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
WMitD, that very verse actually has come up in my past writings, so I am very much willing to discuss it with you (and in that discussion, I'll bring up the Septuagint, Rev 20:13-14, Matt 12:31-32, 2 Mac 12:44, Mark 9:49, and other texts). But first I want you to answer my question. How do you explain Luke 16:23-24? Does a mere grave have conscious individuals being tormented in flame? Answer the original subject, then we can move on to other passages or other subjects.
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
Matt11:23
Can a whole town or city,go down into hell?
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
Hell is the grave.
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
Indeed, in certain passages of the KJV, a word which can be understood as the grave is translated "hell". But is a place where the soul is tormented in flames (Luke 16:23-24) really a mere grave?
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
If there is a hell,a place of torment,your going to it.
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Luke16:23-24.
"dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue"
If you were engulfed in fire can a little water cool yoy're tongue?
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
WMitD, I would respond to your question with another question: can a person survive a fall from the 99th floor of a sky scraper? The answer is no, yet nonetheless, when the Twin Towers were burning in 2001, otherwise rational people tried to seek relief from the flames by jumping out windows at roughly that height (and thus fell to their deaths).
So, would a person engulfed in flames be desperate for even the smallest relief? Yes.
Now answer this: does a mere grave have flames?
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
Was Luke16:23-24 a historical event?
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
WMitD, I would answer your question with this question: do you still believe in the Bible?
The Bible says this took place. In what sense would it not be "historical"? Or would you like to claim it is a mere metaphor or parable? If so, please provide reasons for why we should think such (aside from the fact that a plain reading of the text does not mesh well with GMS theology).
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
Did this event take place in the Lords time
or before his time?
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
WMitD, based on John 11, I would assume Lazarus' death took place during Christ's time.
Now, sir, in the past you have accused me of "filibustering". Yet here we see you have yet to answer the original question: is a place where a person is tormented in flames a mere grave?
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
The Lazarus in luke 16,is not the same Lazarus of John 11.
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
WMitD, perhaps the Lazarus in John 11 is not the same as the one in Luke 16, but since you're the one making the claim, what is your support for that claim?
And you can call me "lost soul" all you want, but the fact remains that you have not answered the original question. You claimed hell is the grave, but is a place where people are tormented in flames a mere grave?
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
It the grave,idiot stop following that RCC
b.s.
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
WMitD, is that your argument? To just repeat your claim that it is simply the grave? Here again is the question: would a mere grave have conscious people being tormented in flames?
You have consistently avoided the original question. Now, please attempt to answer it.
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
I gave you the ansawer.
You cant see it cuz your an edomite.
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
Abu,your a lost soul.
whitemanisthedevil 2 years ago
to rapture now... truth about hip hop is aload of lies. ofcourse you can use hip hop in a christian song i got saved in a gospel concert so god must like it iv souls r getting saved
drasticktt 2 years ago
Anyone know how I may be able to get copies of Timothy Brindle's albums? I'm having a hard time trying to find them.
destinycreature 3 years ago
You'll have to go to Amazon and get the mp3s
woodellkw 3 years ago
or i-tunes
bereansearch 2 years ago
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Sorry, Timothy but, I don't listen to hip hop. According to "The Truth Behind Hip Hop" there is no holy hip hop if that's what you want to call this.
Rapturenow 3 years ago
Im not Timothy Brindle.... G Craige Lewis makes many assertions in his videos that are extremely contradictory or just plainly untrue.
SolideoGloriafella 3 years ago 4
@SolideoGloriafella Of course, some of it is true, but we must use our language to communicate to the unsaved, and to engage the saved. The language of some is rap music. If you're speaking of the culture that's associated with hip hop, that's a different thing, @Rapturenow, and there are some things there that are shady. As for Timothy and others, they're obviously not subject to this culture.
ibeleme00000 10 months ago
@Rapturenow I dont listen to hip hop either.
G. Craige said theres nothing wrong with Christian rap, just blending the religion of hip hop music and making it "holy" is completely ridiculous.
Timothy has said in one of his songs, "We never offer our rhymes to the idols of hip hop"
so I don't belive he is blending hip hop in his music
Maybeshesbornwithitt 1 year ago
@Rapturenow who said this music is hip hop?
crxpunkb16 1 year ago
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musicbox2345 1 year ago
@musicbox2345 I've decided to just listen to whatever I want. If G. CRAIG LEWIS can celebrate Christmas then I can listen to my music. It's as simple as that.
Rapturenow 1 year ago
@Rapturenow Well I wouldnt use relativism as a justification but yeah Christian rap is great, just like many other styles of Christian music,
musicbox2345 1 year ago
Saw your site. Some other good pastors are Tim Conway Mark Dever Jeff Noblit Tom Ascol James White Can't even order Brindle or Linne... even at LifeWay or BestBuy
bereansearch 3 years ago
nice!!! Brindle is a beast!!!
illbehonest 3 years ago
Hellfire song, The truth, let people hear the truth!
DerMoerder1 3 years ago 7
Many pastors would rather ((not)) talk about 2-words
1)Hell
2)Sin
SolideoGloriafella 3 years ago 5
Yes brother, as it is written:
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 2 timothy 4:3-4
Lilquhizway 3 years ago
@DerMoerder1 in order to understand the Good News, people have to hear and understand the Bad News
bhoffie1 1 year ago 2
Preachin' the truth...
kamaujackson811 3 years ago
God bless you..!!!
SolideoGloriafella 3 years ago
Can't even order Brindle or Linne... even at LifeWay or BestBuy ... help
bereansearch 3 years ago
You can get Shai Linne on lampmode's website. You'll have to get Timothy Brindle on Amazon, they only have the mp3 albums tho.
woodellkw 3 years ago
Pretty Cool! :)
Nephtali1981 3 years ago