Oh, so after all this blather.... nobody's got anything to say now I've mentioned Andrew Wakefield's colleague, Prof John Walker-Smith has been vindicated with his GMC ruling thrown out, with the judge adding "It would be a misfortune if this were to happen again."!
Those paid shills - Penn and Teller talk serious BS, and are themselves ARSEHOLES (correct spelling)!
See: w w w . bbc.co.uk/news/health-17283751 where the presiding High Court judge states "It would be a misfortune if this were to happen again."
This guy is retired now, anyway. And as Wakefield's ban was effective for three years, and applied only to the British NHS. though relieved, both Wakefield and Walker-Smith must be laughing at how brutally and corruptly the medical-mafia has slate them, only later to be vindicated!
Andrew Wakefield's colleague,Prof John Walker-Smith, was struck off the British NHS register by the same GMC tribunal... however, he has now rightly had the tribunal's findings quashed
OK you fat pig - have you ACTUALLY READ WAKFIELD's BOOK? I suggest you do before you go calling people assholes. I like the way you mention that people in developing countries are 'begging for vaccines'. Mr wakefield mentions in his book a documented FACT: That vaccines that are currently BANNED in Canada and the UK because THEY ARE DANGEROUS are continually sold to developing countries. Didn't mention that in your stupid video did you?
@2012TV .....Well said! It's debatable whether these guys even make 'good TV' - in truth, that's why the likes of Penn & Teller's 'Bullshit', or shytie 'Myth Busters' is made, 'cause some folk enjoy watching their whacky portrayals and presentation style - the subject matter is irrelevant!
Andrew Wakefield remains a very credible professional, and sensible parents avoid not only the MMR vaccination - by the entire shooting match! i.e. ALL vax!
@AstralBanana .... Where exactly? - check the VAERS database where you can set sort criteria and see that, for example, 43 people are listed as having DIED directly from adverse reaction to the MMR vaccine and 6 more when chicken-pox was included in the jab, and that 21 have dies directly from the common DTaP jab... that's who's dying form this Frankenstein nonsense! Check the databse for yourself! w w w . wonder. cdc. gov/vaers . html (close the gaps to enable web-link)
@AstralBanana .... Yeah, so, I've read that UNICEF link re: global vaccination... have you got anything more recent, 'cause that piece from the last millennium! It says "If the year 2000 goal of eradicating polio is achieved..." i.e. was written thirteen years ago!
Mercury was quietly removed from most vaccines, globally, in 1998 i.e. was in full use prior to this UNICEF report. What's the chances the UNICEF report is just more BULLSHIT?
@Manuhashidate Pretty low chances I'd say, since it works under the United Nations.
Vaccines have i.e. pretty much wiped out polio, Unicef supports them, WHO supports them, but who is against them? Crackpot hippies who don't actually have any proof for their claims. Sure, they have some side effects, such as headache for few hours, totally worth it. And of course, some are allergic to some ingredients used in them, but that's not really an argument against them, we just need better vaccines.
@AstralBanana... In the UK in the 90's a false measles epidemic was mooted & the Health Secretary, Virginia Bottomley said that 'fifty children might die'. As it happened, questions raised in the houses of parliament revealed 170 cases of measles, of which a just two needed hospitalisation. There were however, near 2500 adverse reactions to the measles vaccine that year!
Read above: hygiene and nutrition had rid society of many diseases long before this Frankenstein nonsense was rolled out!
@Manuhashidate The point is, they save a lot more lives than they take.
And vivisection doesn't concern me, because there is no proof of many animals having advanced enough nervous system in order to feel things as we do, and no proof of them being conscious about their own existence. I think the answer is to research more, gain knowledge and better medicines, not stop curing and let the diseases spread. I of course don't agree with vaccines that are "useless."
@AstralBanana ...You said - "And vivisection doesn't concern me, because there is no proof of many animals having advanced enough nervous system in order to feel things as we do, and no proof of them being conscious about their own existence."
From my perspective of a vegetarian of 35 years - you are an ostrich!
And.... kindly answer my question: have you got anything more recent than the above UNICEF link - 'cause you strike me as someone who posts the first thing google finds for them!
@ham954 Of course no-one dies of polio anymore. BECAUSE WE'RE VACCINATING AGAINST IT.
Also, watch the Penn Point episode Conspiracy Theories, where he fully discloses that he's not paid off by big pharma or anyone else and how ridiculous that notion is.
@spitroastlover I was going to type up a reasonable response explaining why you're wrong. But then I saw how you've responded to other people here and I realized it isn't worth the time. So let me tell you this instead: Insulting people doesn't make you right, but it antagonizes people to the point where they won't care for what you say. If you really want to save kids from autism by convincing us you're right, you should really change your tune.
@spitroastlover No. I didn't want to waste my time explaining something that you don't want to hear or believe in anyways. Instead I decided to help you. You seem like a man with a cause, no doubt a noble one from your perspective, but you're going at it all wrong. If you really want us non-believers to see your point then you should stop insulting us. Because the more you do that we become less inclined to listen to what you say.
@raizumichin ...correction: hygiene and nutrition have driven polio away! In the dark days of polio there wasn't clean running water, sewerage and not antiseptics, first aid kits, antibiotics - nor the awareness of contagious pathogens! The vaccine racket came when polio any most other diseases had been made rare, by comparison, with increased hygiene and nutrition - they just attempted to take credit for the massive decrease in disease!
@raizumichin ...what make you say that? Ask yourself - are you just guessing, and projecting? I'm quoting the work of Viera Scheibner Ph.D Check her information, and also that of Greg Beattie, who's been quite zealous publishing the legit graphs that show that when mandatory vaccines were introduced, including polio, most of them diseases had been largely disappeared already! And by what... hygiene and especially, nutrition! Bam!
@Manuhashidate I've done the research, no need to lecture like that. "largely disappeared" sounds quite like your own little projection to me. The truth is most definitely a halfway-point. Neither hygiene and and nutrition nor vaccines could on it's own completely eradicate a disease, you need both.
@raizumichin ....kindly quote some of this research you've done - as I have! Any reference at all would do!
No, my statement that the disappearance of serious disease was due to modern hygiene and nutrition is not an assumption, nor a projection - it's me referring to the work of Viera Scheibner - heard of her? And Greg Beattie - know anything about him?
As I mentioned below, my good friend's fully-vaccinated child developed meningitis, and it was missed by the doctors, too!
@Manuhashidate The most obvious is of course people like Willam Hammon or Weller & Robbins. But really though, in this situation the burden of proof is on you, not me. And if you really do know your science, you should know that a single case, like your friends kid, doesn't prove anything. But you probably don't know your science, since you keep quoting tendencies as absolutes.
I quoted the source of my info. & so asked for yours. After-all, you said 'I've done the research...' The response - 'The most obvious is of course people like' - that just sounds like more off-the-cuff defensiveness to me! So, I should read 'Willam Hammon or Weller & Robbins' eh? Have you? I'd actually said that both Viera Schiebner & Greg Bettie assert that many diseases had largely gone before mass vaccination, due to hygiene & nutrition!
@raizumichin ...your two sources, whom I'd not heard of before, appear to have had major parts in developing polio vaccines. What of their research were you referring to as so 'obvious'? is there anything in their altruistic endeavours about MMR?
After all, isn't there much in common between 'boosted immunity by way of nutrition & hygiene' and 'boosted immunity by inoculating with antibodies?
@Manuhashidate It's obvious places to start. There's been many studies since, but that initial development gives a good image of the correlation between strengthening antibodies and diminishing the disease.
I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say with your second paragraph. I've already said that the combination of hygiene, nutrition and vaccinations is what eradicated polio. I'll freely admit vaccination alone isn't quite enough, even if it's a big help.
@raizumichin ... I haven't read the 30 gazillion pages of this thread so, have missed you saying "...the combination of hygiene, nutrition and vaccinations is what eradicated polio."
My second paragraph is an attempt to find ground on which we agree e.g. that increased nutrition and hygiene boosts immunity - which is absolutely and exactly what inoculation with vaccines attempts to achieve - increased immunity!
@Manuhashidate Well, I said that in a comment directed at you, so I assumed you had read it. But yes, we can totally agree on that nutrition and hygiene boosts immunity. It also decreases the survivability of the virus outside the human body. But you can contract the virus even with a fully working immune system. Vaccines is the final line of defense. With that, the virus will eventually die out completely. After that, the vaccine will become unnecessary.
@raizumichin ..............Andrew Wakefield's colleague, Prof John Walker-Smith, was struck off the British NHS register by the same GMC tribunal... however, he has now rightly had the tribunal's findings quashed! The judge said "It would be a misfortune if this were to happen again."
He isn't a doctor or an expert, but he tell yous that. He also tells you to do the research yourself. He himself is not claiming he has done the medical testing, states different sources in which you can find the information. Also people do die because of these illnesses you just don't hear about it because the media doesn't cover it. Healthy adults no, but children with weak immune systems do.
You totally look like the "picture" of health and man o man I want to be like you. -NOT!- People who want to be healthy with any sense will do the opposite of what you say to avoid being like you. Besides you are being paid by the makers of vaccines so why don't you disclose that?
@ham954 He makes the point that being autistic is better than being dead, and because of that, you think there's a conspiracy. You don't have any evidence of him taking money from vaccine companies but you're absolutely sure of it because it could discredit him. Even if he were taking money, I would certainly rather be autistic rather than dead.
Vaccination weapon against viruses that we know could annihilation them completely. Antibiotics are great and they have saved millions but with time viruses tend to become more resistant against them and so the loose effectiveness the more we use them. The same is not true with vaccines.
@spitroastlover You cannot be listened to or taken seriously. Truly somebody like you cannot even be engaged with. You are taking all the evidence available and totally ignoring it. I would not like my healthcare to be based on that kind of thinking. I like my medicine evidence based and useful.
@MegaPaddy86 And it seems that's the only point he had, to call people stupid. Kinda sad, he could've picked any harmless conspiracy theory to make him feel superior (like the on about the '58 soccer championship) but instead he chose something that has the potential to kill children.
@raizumichin Yeah, it's the same with the HIV/AIDs denialists. They feel they need to be rallying against something. Like there aren't enough real problems to do that with!
Anti-vax nutjobs DO pose a risk for everyone, even the vaccinated. Vaccinations only work, typically, through herd vaccinations - vaccines aren't 100% preventative, so those who are vaccinated still have a chance of contracting a disease when EXPOSED to it. That's the key and why only herd vaccinations work 100%.
People don't realize how nasty these diseases were.
Vaccine haters need to get educated. Vaccines SAVE LIVES period! Sure... even the best in surgeries, medical care, and immunizations come with possible side effects or adverse events. Reality is that without vaccination people die in large numbers. Take the 1918 flu pandemic; between 50 and 100 million died, making it one of the deadliest natural disasters in human history. There is proof positive that vaccines save lives. They provide the greatest good for the greatest number.
just so all you people who want to keep bringing up wakefield know....PAUL THORSEN, the CDC researcher who downplayed the vaccine danger, has been indicted by a federal grand jury for FRAUD! oh wow, what a surprise!!!
It's no suprise that the GMC would ban him, since they make 50% of their money from vaccinations. That's not proof that it's b.s., that's a testament of the drug companies' hegemony over healthcare.
F.A.O. w w w . medalerts . org/vaersdb/index . php (remove the gaps) - that's the VEARS searchable database. Currently it list 4838 adverse reaction to vaccines where the patient (child) died - 60% of which were under age three!
That's a valid reference, and is NOT merely a glib, unsupported assumption!
Though Penn & Teller are clowns, this subject is a serious one!
Firstly I am not into conspiracies theories. You have lots of anger in the way you present your views here. Here in Sydney there are a group of mothers who I know personally. None of these parents vaccinated their kids. The kids ages range from 2-5 One kid has never been sick ever. The others have hardly had any typical infant sickness in their short life. You have a closed mind buddy. I will not be invaccinating my kid next year.
@glebe3047 Great parenting there. Well, THESE people don't let their kids wear seatbelts/car seats and they haven't had any problem or a serious accident, so I won't put my kid in a car seat either. What can possibly go wrong?
In a way,we're spoiled because vaccines work TOO well.a whole generation has never seen polio,smallpox,rubella etc and they think there's little danger.Ask a person in their '70s what life was like growing up in a world where some of these diseases were still commonplace.Ever wonder why NO elderly folk are anti--vax? They've seen the alternative.
My aunt caught polio in the 1930s.My nan had to care for her.My mum cared for her.Then I cared for her.My awesome mum had heart disease as a result of her polio damaged body constricting her heart.I miss her so. She died sooner than she should.My aunty described the epidemic.Kids with leg braces on every street.Their house quarantined.Painful long hospitalization.Polio has damaged my family but Vaccination means my kids won't ever go through this.So,to the people who oppose vaccines,FUCK YOU.
......iatrogenesism is not a word, I know - I misspelled 'Iatrogenesis'
Medical Dictionary............
iat·ro·gen·e·sis definition..............
Pronunciation: /-ˈjen-ə-səs/ Function: npl-e·ses; Pronunciation: /-ˌsēz/ :............. inadvertent and preventable induction of disease or complications by the medical treatment or procedures of a physician or surgeon
The two and a half year old daughter of my good friends, M & M, was fully up to schedule with vaccinations recommended for her age. She not only caught meningitis - the doctors failed to diagnose it and sent them home with 100% guarantee that it was 'flu' - with a bottle of baby paracetamol. The wee bairn was rushed to hospital by ambulance at 4.00 am & given life-saving antibiotics.
i.e. the vaccine had utterly FAILED & though further iatrogenesism, wee Eva almost became a statistic!
@Manuhashidate The story of one child does not disprove decades of science. Vaccines have eliminated smallpox, diphtheria and polio from existence. Measles should be gone, but recently is coming back because of children not getting the vaccination. There is no doubt that they work.
@magicmike323 .... Hi, you say "decades of science" and "There is no doubt that they work" but fail to support the claim with anything. Could you please make reference to any studies, or any thing that supports your assumption!
The tragic anecdotal story I recounted above is at least, 100% proof that in 2011, in the UK, the 'Meningococcal C vaccine' FAILED!
Check the VAERS records and ponder - is death by adverse reaction to vaccine acceptable in any numbers?
@magicmike323 F.A.O. w w w . medalerts . org/vaersdb/index . php (remove the gaps) - that's the VEARS searchable database. Currently it list 4838 adverse reaction to vaccines where the patient (child) died - 60% of which were under age three!
That's a valid reference, and is NOT merely a glib, unsupported assumption!
Though Penn & Teller are clowns, this subject is a serious one!
@neonbutterflys I don't know if it is right to force people to take it, but children not being vaccinated necessarily puts OTHER people at risk. It's not only a risk to the child, but to every other child. I don't know how I feel about making this mandatory, but I wish more parents would do it, whether by force or not.
@Pickle900 im curious I dont know a lot about medical science, so please feel free to correct me, if parents who want their children safe and give them the vaccination its supposed to keep them safe from the disease, right? so why would they need to care if some other child isn't as long as their kids are safe? in short can one not vaccinated child hurt the ones that are?
@neonbutterflys The reason that everyone is at risk when people don't get their children vaccinated is something called herd immunity. Herd immunity in general terms means that enough people can fight off the disease that it has nowhere to go. Diseases like smallpox now only exist in laboratories because of successful vaccination campaigns that eradicated it from the human population. When people don't vaccinate their children, it gives diseases a place to breed mutations that can't be blocked.
I don't watch TV but I'm well aware of Penn & Teller from the 90's when I did. Folk have often suggested I watch 'Myth Busters' so I checked them out on YouTube and am now informed on their high-jinks too.
I can't help but compare Penn & Teller's 'Bullshit' show with 'Myth Busters' in that they both make shallow, though alluring TV for the unthinking masses. Each show in the series covers an entirely different subject - so how these guys be any kind of reference on 'scientific skepticism'?
.... my point (again) is, that if your immune system is functioning well - you won't get Polio. Folk with compromised immune systems are 300 time more vulnerable to disease!
Why Penn & Teller are any kinda' reference point on vaccine damage or Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia, non-specific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder in children, nor any other mode of iatrogenesis - heaven knows!
Here's Wakefield's paper:
w w w . thelancet . com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(97)11096-0/fulltext If you get only the summary, simply create an account at The Lancet - it's free! Let me know if you spot any lies - I certainly can't!
@666or999 .... No, I just checked and it's still there. The Lancet are not the sort of publication to delete established internet links.
Maybe you missed that I inserted gaps in the link address - YouTube won't accept messages that include a valid link... i.e. one must abbreviate or insert gaps in posted links for them to work...
Close the gaps on the link w w w . thelancet . com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(97)11096-0/fulltext and you'll get it!
@666or999 ... Yes, but were there any spelling mistakes?
And, just as I politely asked of both 'The Finlandnator' and 'Apathy Personified' below, what have YOU dicovered [sic] doing this 'research'? Please inform us exactly where in the paper entitled "Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia, non-specific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder in children" did you find fraud?
That's a respectful, specific, reciprocal question... kindly respond accordingly.
I'll reiterate... as humans, we posses and amazing tool - our immune system! It will fight off almost any disease, right up to cancer and HIV. If, however, one's immune system is compromised by malnutrition alone, you are 300 times more vulnerable to the same disease that a healthy, well-nourished person would fob-off easily!
Gates's, Clinton et al, heroically swanning in to developing countries with vaccines and AIDS drugs is nothing more than a misguided PR scam!
I AM SOMEONE WHO KNOWS VACCINATIONS ARE CONNECTED TO AUTISM, BUT NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW. I WITNESSED MY SON GETTING VACCINATED AND HIS REACTION TO THEM. SO FOR ME AND OTHERS WE DON'T NOW OR NEVER HAVE GAVE A F$%K ABOUT WAKEFIELD. VACCINATIONS CAN BE VERY DANGEROUS ! TO SAY OTHERWISE IS IGNORANT AND CRUEL.
@SINCITYSNOT1 learn about mathematical theories namely probability theory. Children get autism right BEFORE they get their shot, but those cases are never sensationalized. Do not call academics and researchers ignorant and cruel, because it is just not true, and it is rather insulting.
Actually, Dr. Andrew Wakefield was struck-off the NHS register in the UK for two years. The parents of his patients followed him to the USA as basically, they trusted him - and he was right!
Brian Deer, an ambush-journalist, initially brought the complaint to the GMC, but was then usurped by his ex-editor... who was then appointed to the council of the GMC itself! Woo... smelly!
Read the whole deal - written by the parent in 'Silenced Witnesses, The Parents' Story' - I did!
Some are here. I don't believe you'll change your mind though. There is no evidence linking vaccines to autism and I'm not here to debate conspiracy theorists. If anything he said was true he would have a brilliant libel case. Actually, I think he did try that but he lost and ended paying the money. Then he ran away to the USA to peddle his myths to Alex Jones fans for more publicity...and book sales. Good day.
@ApathyPersonified ...politely, I'm asking you, personally, what were Wakefield's lies. If you knew, or cared you would post more than a yawnful link link - there's no telling if you've even watched this video yourself! So, let's hear it from you - your opinion, tell me what YOU know!
To label and bully everyone who disagrees with you a 'conspiracy theorist' is so 1998! What's the real body of your position - if you have one, go ahead and string a few words together without the pointed stick!
@Iamugnar "there's no telling if you've even watched this video yourself! So, let's hear it from you - your opinion, tell me what YOU know!" I've said some are there and if you watch the video you will see them. I agree with everything in that video and more from that channel. As I said, I'm not here to debate people like you.
@ApathyPersonified ... oh, so, 'some are there' and 'if you watch the video yourself', to which you 'agree with everything' - may I ask... have you an informed opinion on anything? And, what's your expertise on "Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia, non-specific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder in children"?
What most people do not understand, is that wakefield's study has not just been "discredited," it was scientifically worthless to begin with. A case series with a sample size of 12 is worthless as scientific evidence. The incompetent mass media generated this controversy by not paying attention to this very important fact.
I'm glad he talked about this. It is very hard to find good unbiased info out there on this subject, and I was really in the middle about it with my kids because of all the crazy info out there saying they are horrible and what not. Its hard to know what to believe.
@element3889 keep researching bud, the mainstream is brainwashing.... this is a massive scam for decades all over the world...start with this book, vaccination is not immunization.
Vaccines made the way the original Polio vaccine was did not have any mercury in it and EVERY lot was fresh, had no adjuvent (AKA Mercury), and was tested on monkeys by injecting it directly into their brains.
Mercury is a known nerotoxin - SO PENN IS RIGHT BUT MERCURY IS NOT
This guy is an idiot! Just because you take away a license doesn't mean he is not a doctor....this guy needs slapping really, really, really, BAD! If I see him I will spit on him.
Yeah because obviously if you have your liscense taken away for distorted your own research to promote your company, mayyyyyyyybe you can't be trusted as a doctor...
The "establishment" being the medical community? All that money they don't make by producing vaccines that are almost never profitable but do so because they save millions of lives? That establishment?
James murdock is on the board of the same company who makes the vaccines, his father owns the same tabloid that defamed Dr. Wakefield, the man who wrote about Dr. Wakefield was hired by the same drug company in an attempt to smear Wakefield.
@strider33612 and wakefield was funded by someone who wanted to go after vaccines. your point? many studies by various organizations not related to the parties you list have been done, confirming no link of the MMR vaccine to autism. so shut the fuck up and stop putting us all in danger
Sure it is, except that the mercury that was present in vaccines (thimerosal, metabolized into ethylmercury) was far far below anything like a toxic dose. You literally get several times the same amount from eating an ordinary salmon or tuna steak.
"to be in vaccines"
Not in pediatric schedule vaccines since 2003 in america. You see this is why medical professionals take biochemistry and study pharmacokinetics, the concept of dosage is important.
Penn, that's a little strong. He wasn't anti-vaccine just anti-MMR, one vaccine. But you're right he has been discredited and struck off. The NHS here in the UK refused to provide separate vaccines so parents who couldn't afford them privately and didn't trust MMR were left with no option. However, the problem was made worse by Prime Minister Tony Blair refusing to confirm whether his new-born child had received the MMR vaccine. His silence condemned MMR in many people's eyes.
Penn may want to check his facts (or show a little less trust in the man) before running his mouth. Wakefields findings have been independently corroborated by Trinity College Dublin and the New York University School of Medicine, and Wakefields come out and claimed Rupert Murdoch may have orchestrated a media campaign against him...
@roopoo Actually they corroborated that the MMR jab can cause intestinal inflammation, which nobody gave a shit about since it wasn't bowel inflammation that people were worried about but autism. That claim has not been independently corroborated.
"claimed"
He's justly famed for making unsubstantiated and indeed false claims, to take any claim he makes at face value would demand a stunning level of credulity.
@FaidleyEthan I never claimed that neither one of them is healthy for a human. English is not my first language so sorry for the typo.
And what kind of intelligence you are referring to? If you are saying that mercury is more poisonous than botulinum... well, you are just wrong. I can drink a 1mg drop of mercury and not die, but if I do the same with a drop of botulinum I will face a horrible and a painful death.
Stuff the figures on the pros and cons of vaccinations. Until people understand or fully comprehend what certain food aditives, articial sweetners, and the like do to each of us. Most will not understand how the actual chemicals in vaccinations harm child. This guy here is a screaming nutter. A god debate wont go anywhere when people shout.
@FaidleyEthan I by the way would like to know if you are just provocating people here to scream at you or are you serious with all your comments. I mean... trolls act just like you. If you are trying to troll I suggest you to fuck off.
@TheFinlandnator shows how much you know. Provocating isn't a word. The word is provoking, you nimrod. This is the exact type of intelligence that thinks that mercury and fluoride are good for you.
even if it did, which it does, even if it did, which it does, even if it did, which it does, even if it did, which it does, even if it did, which it does, even if it did, which it does, children without the vaccine will always be healthier than the children with
Never bullshit a bullshitter, unless its a retarded magician who things he knows everything, never shuts the fuck up, and has a thousand cameras pointed at himself when there was only a call for one. And for all you idiots out there who believe a magician who hired a guy that never talks as his partner just so he would never have to shut the fuck up, I give you solid proof: articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/10/01/autism-mercury-part-one.aspx
@TheAntiV Hey your not a German! First you deny that Vaccines cause autism, and then you pretend to be foreign! There's nothing to be made fun of with foreign people you fart faced buttocks!
And anyway i don't know what the hell a whooping cough is but if my children ever meet your children, i guarantee you that they will be leagues above your children in physical, mental, and social development. And that you should take to the bank
Wow, you don't know what whooping cough is? Are you trying to make anti-vaxxers sound like idiots? Because you're doing an excellent job. Thanks to idiots like you children are becoming infected with whooping cough because they aren't receiving their vaccines. Some of which have already died.
@TheAntiV Listen I don't have the same hicktown yahoo accent as whoever you are has, so yeah I don't know what a whooping cough is, and proud of it. But it better not be a sexual reference you fart faced baboon!
@FaidleyEthan Wow, you are phenomenally stupid. Whooping cough is the common name for Pertussis, but by your terrible insults (fart faced baboon? are you seven?) terrible grammar (the same hicktown yahoo accent as whoever you are has makes no sense) and beliefs with little evidence to support them, I wouldn't expect you to understand. Also, i'm 15, and you just got owned.
If you're any example of the breed i'd be shocked if they could read, spell, or count. Of course he denies that vaccines cause autism, it's a horseshit claim that is taken as seriously in the medical community as creationism is taken in the scientific community, meaning not at all. When claims are made that have no evidence and contradict the known evidence, it's safe to assume that it's abject tripe.
@FaidleyEthan "i don't know what the hell a whooping cough is "
Don't know what it is? Maybe you should take a look at this.:Infant with pertussis (3 month old baby with whooping cough)
It's a horrible disease that KILLS. A slow agonizing death in young children.
Shame on you people. I wish we could put you into a time-traveling device and send you BACK to when people died of things like small pox, diphtheria, and polio.
this dooz bag has a thousand fucking cameras pointed at himself and one in his own hands. He has ot researched anything! The only reason he is claiming bullshit is because the name of his bullshit show is called bullshit. The very reason why everything he talks about is always bullshit and never the truth.
The whole vaccination debate baffles me as people seem to favour being up-in-arms instead of actually sitting down and thinking 'Well, if we didn't have these vaccines, far more people would be dying of the illnesses they prevent'. Just like with EVERY SINGLE MEDICATION OUT THERE, you take a risk when you immunise children and there's a chance they may not take to it well. Simple solution- immunise your children at the doctors because if they do have a bad reaction, they have antidotes for them!
All the proof you need is to just look around at the vibrant, healthy society that we live in. The miracle of modern medicine has made this possible. Medical clinics are popping up like mushrooms in my area, a testament to the wonderful healing power that doctors possess.
All the new jobs that are created in this exploding growth industry are a wonderful side benefit.
I never thought the vaccines were the problem, I thought it was the preservatives they put in them.Angela Merkel and her staff were given a version of vaccine without the preservatives [during the last flu scare]while the rest of the country was offered the reg vaccine with the preservatives. Why would that be done if there is no problem?
Who do you immunise a child? Put them in a place where the dis ease is found (perhaps a classroom, shut doors, bricks in the wall?) allow the body naturally to accept the dis ease around them. Those that have a strong immune system will be immune. Those that have the dis ease shown in them lack the ability to hear, see, understand the truth. Give these children the ability to find the truth again (immune) and they will be made well again (healed). Do not hurt a child. This is to immunise.
@Undeterminable Natural immunization doesn't always work.See my story re polio above.If the polio vaccine had been invented 10 years sooner,3 generations could have been spared suffering.
The glory of good is yet to be shown in those that are sick. The sick will never be made well through modern medicine for it only ever considers the externally symptoms and try's to intervene internally. To be truly healed one must heal the self through fighting the dis ease in ones own body. One may give healing only if one will receive it freely. Will you be made whole?
Indeed. You believe in the death and hurt of one for the protection of many. This is wrong. To believe this is to be the one with the nails in your hand at the cross.
Indeed. If one speaks out against the man then one is set aside. Andrew Wakefield has been struck off because he spoke out the truth. He was a Doctor and because he has spoken the truth you now condemn him and still believe the lie. Forgive one for judging.
@Undeterminable I agree. Common sense would question why he would risk his career and future on a fraud. No one would do that unless they were pretty damned sure they were right. As usual, its about making money for big pharma and squashing truth.
This just in w w w . thedailybell . com/3687/VIDEO-Vaccines-Didnt-Cure-Polio-After-All
Manuhashidate 2 days ago
Polio vaccines have historically, and still are grown on mash of chimpanzee kidneys, brains and testicles. Vaccination = Vivesection!
Salk killed 19,000 monkeys just TESTING his (banned six years later) polio vaccine... Salk killed 7000 - just on testing!
You want to inject this stuff into who now? - your baby! Phuck off!
Manuhashidate 2 days ago
Oh, so after all this blather.... nobody's got anything to say now I've mentioned Andrew Wakefield's colleague, Prof John Walker-Smith has been vindicated with his GMC ruling thrown out, with the judge adding "It would be a misfortune if this were to happen again."!
Those paid shills - Penn and Teller talk serious BS, and are themselves ARSEHOLES (correct spelling)!
Manuhashidate 2 days ago
See: w w w . bbc.co.uk/news/health-17283751 where the presiding High Court judge states "It would be a misfortune if this were to happen again."
This guy is retired now, anyway. And as Wakefield's ban was effective for three years, and applied only to the British NHS. though relieved, both Wakefield and Walker-Smith must be laughing at how brutally and corruptly the medical-mafia has slate them, only later to be vindicated!
Manuhashidate 4 days ago
Andrew Wakefield's colleague,Prof John Walker-Smith, was struck off the British NHS register by the same GMC tribunal... however, he has now rightly had the tribunal's findings quashed
Manuhashidate 4 days ago
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TheMrSolidS 1 week ago
OK you fat pig - have you ACTUALLY READ WAKFIELD's BOOK? I suggest you do before you go calling people assholes. I like the way you mention that people in developing countries are 'begging for vaccines'. Mr wakefield mentions in his book a documented FACT: That vaccines that are currently BANNED in Canada and the UK because THEY ARE DANGEROUS are continually sold to developing countries. Didn't mention that in your stupid video did you?
2012TV 2 weeks ago
@2012TV .....Well said! It's debatable whether these guys even make 'good TV' - in truth, that's why the likes of Penn & Teller's 'Bullshit', or shytie 'Myth Busters' is made, 'cause some folk enjoy watching their whacky portrayals and presentation style - the subject matter is irrelevant!
Andrew Wakefield remains a very credible professional, and sensible parents avoid not only the MMR vaccination - by the entire shooting match! i.e. ALL vax!
Manuhashidate 2 weeks ago
There are people dying of vaccines.
strider33612 2 weeks ago
@strider33612 Where exactly?
AstralBanana 2 weeks ago
@AstralBanana .... Where exactly? - check the VAERS database where you can set sort criteria and see that, for example, 43 people are listed as having DIED directly from adverse reaction to the MMR vaccine and 6 more when chicken-pox was included in the jab, and that 21 have dies directly from the common DTaP jab... that's who's dying form this Frankenstein nonsense! Check the databse for yourself! w w w . wonder. cdc. gov/vaers . html (close the gaps to enable web-link)
Manuhashidate 1 week ago
@Manuhashidate Very interesting, but read this please: w w w . unicef . org/pon96/hevaccin dot htm
It says very interesting facts about how many million lives vaccines have saved.
"Vaccines currently in use are saving the lives of three million children a year."
Source: Unicef.
AstralBanana 1 week ago
@AstralBanana .... Yeah, so, I've read that UNICEF link re: global vaccination... have you got anything more recent, 'cause that piece from the last millennium! It says "If the year 2000 goal of eradicating polio is achieved..." i.e. was written thirteen years ago!
Mercury was quietly removed from most vaccines, globally, in 1998 i.e. was in full use prior to this UNICEF report. What's the chances the UNICEF report is just more BULLSHIT?
Manuhashidate 2 days ago
@Manuhashidate Pretty low chances I'd say, since it works under the United Nations.
Vaccines have i.e. pretty much wiped out polio, Unicef supports them, WHO supports them, but who is against them? Crackpot hippies who don't actually have any proof for their claims. Sure, they have some side effects, such as headache for few hours, totally worth it. And of course, some are allergic to some ingredients used in them, but that's not really an argument against them, we just need better vaccines.
AstralBanana 2 days ago
@AstralBanana... In the UK in the 90's a false measles epidemic was mooted & the Health Secretary, Virginia Bottomley said that 'fifty children might die'. As it happened, questions raised in the houses of parliament revealed 170 cases of measles, of which a just two needed hospitalisation. There were however, near 2500 adverse reactions to the measles vaccine that year!
Read above: hygiene and nutrition had rid society of many diseases long before this Frankenstein nonsense was rolled out!
Manuhashidate 2 days ago
@Manuhashidate The point is, they save a lot more lives than they take.
And vivisection doesn't concern me, because there is no proof of many animals having advanced enough nervous system in order to feel things as we do, and no proof of them being conscious about their own existence. I think the answer is to research more, gain knowledge and better medicines, not stop curing and let the diseases spread. I of course don't agree with vaccines that are "useless."
AstralBanana 2 days ago
@AstralBanana ...You said - "And vivisection doesn't concern me, because there is no proof of many animals having advanced enough nervous system in order to feel things as we do, and no proof of them being conscious about their own existence."
From my perspective of a vegetarian of 35 years - you are an ostrich!
And.... kindly answer my question: have you got anything more recent than the above UNICEF link - 'cause you strike me as someone who posts the first thing google finds for them!
Manuhashidate 1 day ago
@Manuhashidate
From my perspective of a vegetarian of 35 years - you are an ostrich!
I couldn't find any sense from that.
And just something I found:
w w w . medscape . com/viewarticle/744285
AstralBanana 6 hours ago
Andrew Wakefield is a fraud!
THERepublic1971 3 weeks ago
Why do I watch this bullshitter.
Watch all the video's called: Before and after vaccination...
TweelingenJuni 1 month ago
@ham954 Of course no-one dies of polio anymore. BECAUSE WE'RE VACCINATING AGAINST IT.
Also, watch the Penn Point episode Conspiracy Theories, where he fully discloses that he's not paid off by big pharma or anyone else and how ridiculous that notion is.
raizumichin 1 month ago
@raizumichin And the only cases of Polio are amongst the vaccinated
You fucking dimwit !!!
spitroastlover 1 month ago
@spitroastlover I was going to type up a reasonable response explaining why you're wrong. But then I saw how you've responded to other people here and I realized it isn't worth the time. So let me tell you this instead: Insulting people doesn't make you right, but it antagonizes people to the point where they won't care for what you say. If you really want to save kids from autism by convincing us you're right, you should really change your tune.
raizumichin 1 month ago
@raizumichin So you were going to type up a reasonable response explaining why I 'm wrong
You mean why you think I'm wrong
You didn't type a reasonable response because you are incapable of doing so.
If it is not worth the time to respond then keep your fucking trap shut and piss off and bother some else with your school teacher attitude
And if insulting people antagonises people then good - that's what it is meant to do you stupid inbred individual.
spitroastlover 1 month ago
@spitroastlover No. I didn't want to waste my time explaining something that you don't want to hear or believe in anyways. Instead I decided to help you. You seem like a man with a cause, no doubt a noble one from your perspective, but you're going at it all wrong. If you really want us non-believers to see your point then you should stop insulting us. Because the more you do that we become less inclined to listen to what you say.
raizumichin 1 month ago
@raizumichin ...correction: hygiene and nutrition have driven polio away! In the dark days of polio there wasn't clean running water, sewerage and not antiseptics, first aid kits, antibiotics - nor the awareness of contagious pathogens! The vaccine racket came when polio any most other diseases had been made rare, by comparison, with increased hygiene and nutrition - they just attempted to take credit for the massive decrease in disease!
Manuhashidate 2 weeks ago
@Manuhashidate Hygiene helped, vaccines was the final nail in the proverbial coffin coffin.
raizumichin 2 weeks ago
@raizumichin ...what make you say that? Ask yourself - are you just guessing, and projecting? I'm quoting the work of Viera Scheibner Ph.D Check her information, and also that of Greg Beattie, who's been quite zealous publishing the legit graphs that show that when mandatory vaccines were introduced, including polio, most of them diseases had been largely disappeared already! And by what... hygiene and especially, nutrition! Bam!
Manuhashidate 2 weeks ago
@Manuhashidate I've done the research, no need to lecture like that. "largely disappeared" sounds quite like your own little projection to me. The truth is most definitely a halfway-point. Neither hygiene and and nutrition nor vaccines could on it's own completely eradicate a disease, you need both.
raizumichin 2 weeks ago
@raizumichin ....kindly quote some of this research you've done - as I have! Any reference at all would do!
No, my statement that the disappearance of serious disease was due to modern hygiene and nutrition is not an assumption, nor a projection - it's me referring to the work of Viera Scheibner - heard of her? And Greg Beattie - know anything about him?
As I mentioned below, my good friend's fully-vaccinated child developed meningitis, and it was missed by the doctors, too!
Manuhashidate 1 week ago
@Manuhashidate The most obvious is of course people like Willam Hammon or Weller & Robbins. But really though, in this situation the burden of proof is on you, not me. And if you really do know your science, you should know that a single case, like your friends kid, doesn't prove anything. But you probably don't know your science, since you keep quoting tendencies as absolutes.
raizumichin 1 week ago
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I quoted the source of my info. & so asked for yours. After-all, you said 'I've done the research...' The response - 'The most obvious is of course people like' - that just sounds like more off-the-cuff defensiveness to me! So, I should read 'Willam Hammon or Weller & Robbins' eh? Have you? I'd actually said that both Viera Schiebner & Greg Bettie assert that many diseases had largely gone before mass vaccination, due to hygiene & nutrition!
That's a reciprocal question btw.
Manuhashidate 1 week ago
@raizumichin ...your two sources, whom I'd not heard of before, appear to have had major parts in developing polio vaccines. What of their research were you referring to as so 'obvious'? is there anything in their altruistic endeavours about MMR?
After all, isn't there much in common between 'boosted immunity by way of nutrition & hygiene' and 'boosted immunity by inoculating with antibodies?
Manuhashidate 1 week ago
@Manuhashidate It's obvious places to start. There's been many studies since, but that initial development gives a good image of the correlation between strengthening antibodies and diminishing the disease.
I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say with your second paragraph. I've already said that the combination of hygiene, nutrition and vaccinations is what eradicated polio. I'll freely admit vaccination alone isn't quite enough, even if it's a big help.
raizumichin 1 week ago
@raizumichin ... I haven't read the 30 gazillion pages of this thread so, have missed you saying "...the combination of hygiene, nutrition and vaccinations is what eradicated polio."
My second paragraph is an attempt to find ground on which we agree e.g. that increased nutrition and hygiene boosts immunity - which is absolutely and exactly what inoculation with vaccines attempts to achieve - increased immunity!
Do we agree there?
Manuhashidate 1 week ago
@Manuhashidate Well, I said that in a comment directed at you, so I assumed you had read it. But yes, we can totally agree on that nutrition and hygiene boosts immunity. It also decreases the survivability of the virus outside the human body. But you can contract the virus even with a fully working immune system. Vaccines is the final line of defense. With that, the virus will eventually die out completely. After that, the vaccine will become unnecessary.
raizumichin 1 week ago
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@raizumichin ..............Andrew Wakefield's colleague, Prof John Walker-Smith, was struck off the British NHS register by the same GMC tribunal... however, he has now rightly had the tribunal's findings quashed! The judge said "It would be a misfortune if this were to happen again."
Manuhashidate 4 days ago
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raizumichin 1 month ago
He isn't a doctor or an expert, but he tell yous that. He also tells you to do the research yourself. He himself is not claiming he has done the medical testing, states different sources in which you can find the information. Also people do die because of these illnesses you just don't hear about it because the media doesn't cover it. Healthy adults no, but children with weak immune systems do.
Twilight1012000 1 month ago
@Twilight1012000 Obviously he isn't a Doctor or an expert.
Then why do pricks like you listen to the stupid FAT CUNT
Have you got a penis growing out of the front of your skull you thick bastard
spitroastlover 1 month ago
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ham954 1 month ago
You totally look like the "picture" of health and man o man I want to be like you. -NOT!- People who want to be healthy with any sense will do the opposite of what you say to avoid being like you. Besides you are being paid by the makers of vaccines so why don't you disclose that?
ham954 1 month ago
@ham954 He makes the point that being autistic is better than being dead, and because of that, you think there's a conspiracy. You don't have any evidence of him taking money from vaccine companies but you're absolutely sure of it because it could discredit him. Even if he were taking money, I would certainly rather be autistic rather than dead.
theJMBgamer 1 month ago in playlist Season 1
@theJMBgamer I would like to see you develop autism especially after receiving a vaccine
spitroastlover 1 month ago
this is bs.
FunkTheNWO 1 month ago
Vaccination weapon against viruses that we know could annihilation them completely. Antibiotics are great and they have saved millions but with time viruses tend to become more resistant against them and so the loose effectiveness the more we use them. The same is not true with vaccines.
Tamizushi 2 months ago
I don't agree with OVER medication, but vaccinations do help people. Anyone remember learning about Polio?
tasteslikeginger 3 months ago 6
@tasteslikeginger I remember being told at school ( state school ) that was a clue !!!
that vaccines are the saviour of humankind - lol
what bullshit that was
Not nearly as big a bullshit as this video
Obviously paid for by by big pharma
This video is potentially defamatory
Andrew Wakefield upset big pharma by speaking out
People like penn and teller are the ASSHOLES
spitroastlover 1 month ago
@spitroastlover You cannot be listened to or taken seriously. Truly somebody like you cannot even be engaged with. You are taking all the evidence available and totally ignoring it. I would not like my healthcare to be based on that kind of thinking. I like my medicine evidence based and useful.
MegaPaddy86 1 month ago
@MegaPaddy86 Well don't listen to me or even engage with me then you stupid CUNT
Fuck off imbecile !!!
spitroastlover 1 month ago
@spitroastlover That's an awful lot of rude for somebody who is saying absolutely nothing.
MegaPaddy86 1 month ago
@MegaPaddy86 And it seems that's the only point he had, to call people stupid. Kinda sad, he could've picked any harmless conspiracy theory to make him feel superior (like the on about the '58 soccer championship) but instead he chose something that has the potential to kill children.
raizumichin 1 month ago
@raizumichin Yeah, it's the same with the HIV/AIDs denialists. They feel they need to be rallying against something. Like there aren't enough real problems to do that with!
MegaPaddy86 1 month ago
@tasteslikeginger I agree they help peole
They help drug companies make loads of money
you idiot
spitroastlover 1 month ago
Anti-vax nutjobs DO pose a risk for everyone, even the vaccinated. Vaccinations only work, typically, through herd vaccinations - vaccines aren't 100% preventative, so those who are vaccinated still have a chance of contracting a disease when EXPOSED to it. That's the key and why only herd vaccinations work 100%.
People don't realize how nasty these diseases were.
resistnzisfutl 3 months ago
Vaccine haters need to get educated. Vaccines SAVE LIVES period! Sure... even the best in surgeries, medical care, and immunizations come with possible side effects or adverse events. Reality is that without vaccination people die in large numbers. Take the 1918 flu pandemic; between 50 and 100 million died, making it one of the deadliest natural disasters in human history. There is proof positive that vaccines save lives. They provide the greatest good for the greatest number.
MrCortezda 3 months ago
@MrCortezda Could you provide us with the proof then please
spitroastlover 1 month ago
the un-vaccinated pose a risk for us all, even the vaccinated.
kirochka13 3 months ago
just so all you people who want to keep bringing up wakefield know....PAUL THORSEN, the CDC researcher who downplayed the vaccine danger, has been indicted by a federal grand jury for FRAUD! oh wow, what a surprise!!!
fahqslut 3 months ago
It's no suprise that the GMC would ban him, since they make 50% of their money from vaccinations. That's not proof that it's b.s., that's a testament of the drug companies' hegemony over healthcare.
The64v 3 months ago
He's not the one who started anti-vaccination as a movement.
The64v 3 months ago
apparently wakefield isn't a doctor anymore. He's just a GUY
griftersband 3 months ago
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F.A.O. w w w . medalerts . org/vaersdb/index . php (remove the gaps) - that's the VEARS searchable database. Currently it list 4838 adverse reaction to vaccines where the patient (child) died - 60% of which were under age three!
That's a valid reference, and is NOT merely a glib, unsupported assumption!
Though Penn & Teller are clowns, this subject is a serious one!
Manuhashidate 3 months ago
Firstly I am not into conspiracies theories. You have lots of anger in the way you present your views here. Here in Sydney there are a group of mothers who I know personally. None of these parents vaccinated their kids. The kids ages range from 2-5 One kid has never been sick ever. The others have hardly had any typical infant sickness in their short life. You have a closed mind buddy. I will not be invaccinating my kid next year.
glebe3047 3 months ago
@glebe3047 Great parenting there. Well, THESE people don't let their kids wear seatbelts/car seats and they haven't had any problem or a serious accident, so I won't put my kid in a car seat either. What can possibly go wrong?
Dizetoable 3 months ago
Geesh! It's hard to believe anyone would be anti vaccine! I mean what next ??
Will they be saying a missile hit the Pentagon? Or we NEVER landed on the moon?
sweetclaire06 3 months ago
In a way,we're spoiled because vaccines work TOO well.a whole generation has never seen polio,smallpox,rubella etc and they think there's little danger.Ask a person in their '70s what life was like growing up in a world where some of these diseases were still commonplace.Ever wonder why NO elderly folk are anti--vax? They've seen the alternative.
ScattySafari 3 months ago
My aunt caught polio in the 1930s.My nan had to care for her.My mum cared for her.Then I cared for her.My awesome mum had heart disease as a result of her polio damaged body constricting her heart.I miss her so. She died sooner than she should.My aunty described the epidemic.Kids with leg braces on every street.Their house quarantined.Painful long hospitalization.Polio has damaged my family but Vaccination means my kids won't ever go through this.So,to the people who oppose vaccines,FUCK YOU.
ScattySafari 3 months ago
Another reason to distrust hollyweird.....
arivas713 3 months ago
On an unrelated note, Penn is the first person I've seen putting an iPad to a practical use
simpleben09 4 months ago
......iatrogenesism is not a word, I know - I misspelled 'Iatrogenesis'
Medical Dictionary............
iat·ro·gen·e·sis definition..............
Pronunciation: /-ˈjen-ə-səs/ Function: npl-e·ses; Pronunciation: /-ˌsēz/ :............. inadvertent and preventable induction of disease or complications by the medical treatment or procedures of a physician or surgeon
Manuhashidate 4 months ago
The two and a half year old daughter of my good friends, M & M, was fully up to schedule with vaccinations recommended for her age. She not only caught meningitis - the doctors failed to diagnose it and sent them home with 100% guarantee that it was 'flu' - with a bottle of baby paracetamol. The wee bairn was rushed to hospital by ambulance at 4.00 am & given life-saving antibiotics.
i.e. the vaccine had utterly FAILED & though further iatrogenesism, wee Eva almost became a statistic!
Manuhashidate 4 months ago
@Manuhashidate The story of one child does not disprove decades of science. Vaccines have eliminated smallpox, diphtheria and polio from existence. Measles should be gone, but recently is coming back because of children not getting the vaccination. There is no doubt that they work.
magicmike323 3 months ago
@magicmike323 .... Hi, you say "decades of science" and "There is no doubt that they work" but fail to support the claim with anything. Could you please make reference to any studies, or any thing that supports your assumption!
The tragic anecdotal story I recounted above is at least, 100% proof that in 2011, in the UK, the 'Meningococcal C vaccine' FAILED!
Check the VAERS records and ponder - is death by adverse reaction to vaccine acceptable in any numbers?
Hygiene & nutrition!
Manuhashidate 3 months ago
@magicmike323 F.A.O. w w w . medalerts . org/vaersdb/index . php (remove the gaps) - that's the VEARS searchable database. Currently it list 4838 adverse reaction to vaccines where the patient (child) died - 60% of which were under age three!
That's a valid reference, and is NOT merely a glib, unsupported assumption!
Though Penn & Teller are clowns, this subject is a serious one!
Manuhashidate 3 months ago
I would vaccinate my child if I had one but is it right to force people to take it? or to force it on their children?
neonbutterflys 4 months ago
@neonbutterflys I don't know if it is right to force people to take it, but children not being vaccinated necessarily puts OTHER people at risk. It's not only a risk to the child, but to every other child. I don't know how I feel about making this mandatory, but I wish more parents would do it, whether by force or not.
Pickle900 4 months ago
@Pickle900 im curious I dont know a lot about medical science, so please feel free to correct me, if parents who want their children safe and give them the vaccination its supposed to keep them safe from the disease, right? so why would they need to care if some other child isn't as long as their kids are safe? in short can one not vaccinated child hurt the ones that are?
neonbutterflys 4 months ago
@neonbutterflys The reason that everyone is at risk when people don't get their children vaccinated is something called herd immunity. Herd immunity in general terms means that enough people can fight off the disease that it has nowhere to go. Diseases like smallpox now only exist in laboratories because of successful vaccination campaigns that eradicated it from the human population. When people don't vaccinate their children, it gives diseases a place to breed mutations that can't be blocked.
fisxoj 4 months ago
@fisxoj but cant it go into an animal and mutate their?
neonbutterflys 4 months ago
I don't watch TV but I'm well aware of Penn & Teller from the 90's when I did. Folk have often suggested I watch 'Myth Busters' so I checked them out on YouTube and am now informed on their high-jinks too.
I can't help but compare Penn & Teller's 'Bullshit' show with 'Myth Busters' in that they both make shallow, though alluring TV for the unthinking masses. Each show in the series covers an entirely different subject - so how these guys be any kind of reference on 'scientific skepticism'?
Manuhashidate 5 months ago
.... my point (again) is, that if your immune system is functioning well - you won't get Polio. Folk with compromised immune systems are 300 time more vulnerable to disease!
Nutrition and Hygiene!
Manuhashidate 5 months ago
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Nutrition & Hygiene!
Manuhashidate 5 months ago
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Nutrition & Hygiene wont do jack if you catch polio.
TheFinlandnator 5 months ago
'Forgot to add...
Nutrition & Hygiene!
Iamugnar 5 months ago
Why Penn & Teller are any kinda' reference point on vaccine damage or Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia, non-specific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder in children, nor any other mode of iatrogenesis - heaven knows!
Here's Wakefield's paper:
w w w . thelancet . com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(97)11096-0/fulltext If you get only the summary, simply create an account at The Lancet - it's free! Let me know if you spot any lies - I certainly can't!
Iamugnar 5 months ago
@Iamugnar Erm I think the paper has been removed.
666or999 5 months ago
@666or999 .... No, I just checked and it's still there. The Lancet are not the sort of publication to delete established internet links.
Maybe you missed that I inserted gaps in the link address - YouTube won't accept messages that include a valid link... i.e. one must abbreviate or insert gaps in posted links for them to work...
Close the gaps on the link w w w . thelancet . com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(97)11096-0/fulltext and you'll get it!
I'm glad somebody cares!
Manuhashidate 5 months ago
@Manuhashidate Ok I read to the paper and did some research and dicovered that unfortunatly the data was fraudulent.
666or999 5 months ago
@666or999 ... Yes, but were there any spelling mistakes?
And, just as I politely asked of both 'The Finlandnator' and 'Apathy Personified' below, what have YOU dicovered [sic] doing this 'research'? Please inform us exactly where in the paper entitled "Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia, non-specific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder in children" did you find fraud?
That's a respectful, specific, reciprocal question... kindly respond accordingly.
Manuhashidate 5 months ago
I'll reiterate... as humans, we posses and amazing tool - our immune system! It will fight off almost any disease, right up to cancer and HIV. If, however, one's immune system is compromised by malnutrition alone, you are 300 times more vulnerable to the same disease that a healthy, well-nourished person would fob-off easily!
Gates's, Clinton et al, heroically swanning in to developing countries with vaccines and AIDS drugs is nothing more than a misguided PR scam!
Nutrition & hygiene!
Iamugnar 5 months ago
I AM SOMEONE WHO KNOWS VACCINATIONS ARE CONNECTED TO AUTISM, BUT NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW. I WITNESSED MY SON GETTING VACCINATED AND HIS REACTION TO THEM. SO FOR ME AND OTHERS WE DON'T NOW OR NEVER HAVE GAVE A F$%K ABOUT WAKEFIELD. VACCINATIONS CAN BE VERY DANGEROUS ! TO SAY OTHERWISE IS IGNORANT AND CRUEL.
SINCITYSNOT1 5 months ago
@SINCITYSNOT1 ... I fully sympathise with you SinCitySnot... I have heard precisely that from many parents on many occasions.
Iamugnar 5 months ago
@SINCITYSNOT1 learn about mathematical theories namely probability theory. Children get autism right BEFORE they get their shot, but those cases are never sensationalized. Do not call academics and researchers ignorant and cruel, because it is just not true, and it is rather insulting.
tootoo1upper 4 months ago
Actually, pull your ostrich-self out of the sand and you'd learn that most of these diseases no longer pose a threat due to hygiene and nutrition.
Wakefield is an honest man... I have a copy of his paper that the Lancet later refuted and there not one jot of an attempt at falsehood!
'Nice that you bothered to tap on your keyboard, though!
Iamugnar 5 months ago
Actually, Dr. Andrew Wakefield was struck-off the NHS register in the UK for two years. The parents of his patients followed him to the USA as basically, they trusted him - and he was right!
Brian Deer, an ambush-journalist, initially brought the complaint to the GMC, but was then usurped by his ex-editor... who was then appointed to the council of the GMC itself! Woo... smelly!
Read the whole deal - written by the parent in 'Silenced Witnesses, The Parents' Story' - I did!
Iamugnar 5 months ago
@Iamugnar Wakefield is wrong. It's as simple as that. He's also a very good liar.
ApathyPersonified 5 months ago
@ApathyPersonified ... politely, please specify what exactly were Wakefield's 'lies'? 'Simple as that!
Iamugnar 5 months ago
@Iamugnar /watch?v=dcRw9ZZ6HxA&feature=channel_video_title
Some are here. I don't believe you'll change your mind though. There is no evidence linking vaccines to autism and I'm not here to debate conspiracy theorists. If anything he said was true he would have a brilliant libel case. Actually, I think he did try that but he lost and ended paying the money. Then he ran away to the USA to peddle his myths to Alex Jones fans for more publicity...and book sales. Good day.
ApathyPersonified 5 months ago
@ApathyPersonified ...politely, I'm asking you, personally, what were Wakefield's lies. If you knew, or cared you would post more than a yawnful link link - there's no telling if you've even watched this video yourself! So, let's hear it from you - your opinion, tell me what YOU know!
To label and bully everyone who disagrees with you a 'conspiracy theorist' is so 1998! What's the real body of your position - if you have one, go ahead and string a few words together without the pointed stick!
Iamugnar 5 months ago
@Iamugnar "there's no telling if you've even watched this video yourself! So, let's hear it from you - your opinion, tell me what YOU know!" I've said some are there and if you watch the video you will see them. I agree with everything in that video and more from that channel. As I said, I'm not here to debate people like you.
ApathyPersonified 5 months ago
@ApathyPersonified ... oh, so, 'some are there' and 'if you watch the video yourself', to which you 'agree with everything' - may I ask... have you an informed opinion on anything? And, what's your expertise on "Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia, non-specific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder in children"?
Iamugnar 5 months ago
What most people do not understand, is that wakefield's study has not just been "discredited," it was scientifically worthless to begin with. A case series with a sample size of 12 is worthless as scientific evidence. The incompetent mass media generated this controversy by not paying attention to this very important fact.
nonlocality212 5 months ago
i doubt wakefield has the personality to even kill an innocent
bodyheals 5 months ago
I'm glad he talked about this. It is very hard to find good unbiased info out there on this subject, and I was really in the middle about it with my kids because of all the crazy info out there saying they are horrible and what not. Its hard to know what to believe.
element3889 5 months ago
@element3889 keep researching bud, the mainstream is brainwashing.... this is a massive scam for decades all over the world...start with this book, vaccination is not immunization.
bodyheals 5 months ago
are you people aware that several of the ceo's of big pharma were released prisoners of war crimes, as in NAZI's study history folks.
bodyheals 5 months ago
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@bodyheals
Are you aware that you're a fucking moron who can't back up his moronic claims?
TheAntiV 5 months ago
vaccination is not immunization
bodyheals 5 months ago
who discredited this research?
bodyheals 5 months ago
real proof where?
bodyheals 5 months ago
fuck you fat ugly tool. wakefield is always a doctor, he will be born out as true. get educated you sheeple. you aint funny anyhow.
bodyheals 5 months ago
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@bodyheals
Wakefield is a fucking quack and you're an idiot to have any faith in him.
TheAntiV 5 months ago
Vaccines made the way the original Polio vaccine was did not have any mercury in it and EVERY lot was fresh, had no adjuvent (AKA Mercury), and was tested on monkeys by injecting it directly into their brains.
Mercury is a known nerotoxin - SO PENN IS RIGHT BUT MERCURY IS NOT
agnoses 6 months ago
This guy is an idiot! Just because you take away a license doesn't mean he is not a doctor....this guy needs slapping really, really, really, BAD! If I see him I will spit on him.
curt6208 6 months ago
@curt6208
Yeah because obviously if you have your liscense taken away for distorted your own research to promote your company, mayyyyyyyybe you can't be trusted as a doctor...
Balian49 5 months ago
@Balian49 or maybe the establishment is protecting their interests, as in ROI, idiot
bodyheals 5 months ago
@bodyheals
The "establishment" being the medical community? All that money they don't make by producing vaccines that are almost never profitable but do so because they save millions of lives? That establishment?
Balian49 5 months ago
James murdock is on the board of the same company who makes the vaccines, his father owns the same tabloid that defamed Dr. Wakefield, the man who wrote about Dr. Wakefield was hired by the same drug company in an attempt to smear Wakefield.
strider33612 6 months ago
@strider33612 and wakefield was funded by someone who wanted to go after vaccines. your point? many studies by various organizations not related to the parties you list have been done, confirming no link of the MMR vaccine to autism. so shut the fuck up and stop putting us all in danger
BillKiernan 6 months ago
@SlapstickCoyote "mercury isn't poisonous"
Sure it is, except that the mercury that was present in vaccines (thimerosal, metabolized into ethylmercury) was far far below anything like a toxic dose. You literally get several times the same amount from eating an ordinary salmon or tuna steak.
"to be in vaccines"
Not in pediatric schedule vaccines since 2003 in america. You see this is why medical professionals take biochemistry and study pharmacokinetics, the concept of dosage is important.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 6 months ago
Penn, that's a little strong. He wasn't anti-vaccine just anti-MMR, one vaccine. But you're right he has been discredited and struck off. The NHS here in the UK refused to provide separate vaccines so parents who couldn't afford them privately and didn't trust MMR were left with no option. However, the problem was made worse by Prime Minister Tony Blair refusing to confirm whether his new-born child had received the MMR vaccine. His silence condemned MMR in many people's eyes.
DaveBC1 7 months ago
WHERE'S THE F*CKING GIRL?!
arrelite 7 months ago
Also from what I gather Wakefields not anti-vaccination-he advocates having the option of single vaccinations instead of the 3 in 1 MMR shot.
roopoo 7 months ago
Penn may want to check his facts (or show a little less trust in the man) before running his mouth. Wakefields findings have been independently corroborated by Trinity College Dublin and the New York University School of Medicine, and Wakefields come out and claimed Rupert Murdoch may have orchestrated a media campaign against him...
roopoo 7 months ago
@roopoo Actually they corroborated that the MMR jab can cause intestinal inflammation, which nobody gave a shit about since it wasn't bowel inflammation that people were worried about but autism. That claim has not been independently corroborated.
"claimed"
He's justly famed for making unsubstantiated and indeed false claims, to take any claim he makes at face value would demand a stunning level of credulity.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 7 months ago
@FaidleyEthan I never claimed that neither one of them is healthy for a human. English is not my first language so sorry for the typo.
And what kind of intelligence you are referring to? If you are saying that mercury is more poisonous than botulinum... well, you are just wrong. I can drink a 1mg drop of mercury and not die, but if I do the same with a drop of botulinum I will face a horrible and a painful death.
TheFinlandnator 7 months ago
Stuff the figures on the pros and cons of vaccinations. Until people understand or fully comprehend what certain food aditives, articial sweetners, and the like do to each of us. Most will not understand how the actual chemicals in vaccinations harm child. This guy here is a screaming nutter. A god debate wont go anywhere when people shout.
glebe3047 7 months ago
So his new title is
Ah. Andrew Wakefield
TorontoLibertarian 8 months ago
@FaidleyEthan I by the way would like to know if you are just provocating people here to scream at you or are you serious with all your comments. I mean... trolls act just like you. If you are trying to troll I suggest you to fuck off.
TheFinlandnator 8 months ago
@TheFinlandnator shows how much you know. Provocating isn't a word. The word is provoking, you nimrod. This is the exact type of intelligence that thinks that mercury and fluoride are good for you.
FaidleyEthan 7 months ago
@FaidleyEthan I am not certain what you mean with the "no"- comment of yours. Please clarify.
TheFinlandnator 8 months ago
even if it did, which it does, even if it did, which it does, even if it did, which it does, even if it did, which it does, even if it did, which it does, even if it did, which it does, children without the vaccine will always be healthier than the children with
FaidleyEthan 8 months ago
Never bullshit a bullshitter, unless its a retarded magician who things he knows everything, never shuts the fuck up, and has a thousand cameras pointed at himself when there was only a call for one. And for all you idiots out there who believe a magician who hired a guy that never talks as his partner just so he would never have to shut the fuck up, I give you solid proof: articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/10/01/autism-mercury-part-one.aspx
FaidleyEthan 8 months ago
@FaidleyEthan "no"
Um? Yes?
TheFinlandnator 8 months ago
@TheFinlandnator you don't sound to sure of yourself with those question marks
FaidleyEthan 8 months ago
@FaidleyEthan
HURR DURR VAXXINES CAUZE AUTISM DAH INTANET TOLD ME SOH DURR HURR
TheAntiV 7 months ago 2
@TheAntiV Are you from Germany? I whole-heartedly agree with you. Someone needs to do something about these vaccines poisoning the children!
FaidleyEthan 7 months ago
@FaidleyEthan
No something needs to be done to you assholes which help kill children with whooping cough.
TheAntiV 7 months ago
@TheAntiV Hey your not a German! First you deny that Vaccines cause autism, and then you pretend to be foreign! There's nothing to be made fun of with foreign people you fart faced buttocks!
FaidleyEthan 7 months ago
@FaidleyEthan Where the fuck did I pretend to be foreign? What the fuck are you talking about? Are you high by any chance?
TheAntiV 7 months ago
And anyway i don't know what the hell a whooping cough is but if my children ever meet your children, i guarantee you that they will be leagues above your children in physical, mental, and social development. And that you should take to the bank
FaidleyEthan 7 months ago
@FaidleyEthan
Wow, you don't know what whooping cough is? Are you trying to make anti-vaxxers sound like idiots? Because you're doing an excellent job. Thanks to idiots like you children are becoming infected with whooping cough because they aren't receiving their vaccines. Some of which have already died.
TheAntiV 7 months ago
@TheAntiV Listen I don't have the same hicktown yahoo accent as whoever you are has, so yeah I don't know what a whooping cough is, and proud of it. But it better not be a sexual reference you fart faced baboon!
FaidleyEthan 7 months ago
@FaidleyEthan Wow, you are phenomenally stupid. Whooping cough is the common name for Pertussis, but by your terrible insults (fart faced baboon? are you seven?) terrible grammar (the same hicktown yahoo accent as whoever you are has makes no sense) and beliefs with little evidence to support them, I wouldn't expect you to understand. Also, i'm 15, and you just got owned.
dedem1315 6 months ago
@FaidleyEthan "leagues above your children"
If you're any example of the breed i'd be shocked if they could read, spell, or count. Of course he denies that vaccines cause autism, it's a horseshit claim that is taken as seriously in the medical community as creationism is taken in the scientific community, meaning not at all. When claims are made that have no evidence and contradict the known evidence, it's safe to assume that it's abject tripe.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 7 months ago
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 Go get your poison, sheep
FaidleyEthan 7 months ago
@FaidleyEthan Yeah i didn't think you had any evidence to back up your claims either, just feeble rhetoric.
Faith and belief are for cults, science requires evidence. Get educated.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 7 months ago 2
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@FaidleyEthan "i don't know what the hell a whooping cough is "
Don't know what it is? Maybe you should take a look at this.:Infant with pertussis (3 month old baby with whooping cough)
It's a horrible disease that KILLS. A slow agonizing death in young children.
Shame on you people. I wish we could put you into a time-traveling device and send you BACK to when people died of things like small pox, diphtheria, and polio.
sweetclaire06 3 months ago
this dooz bag has a thousand fucking cameras pointed at himself and one in his own hands. He has ot researched anything! The only reason he is claiming bullshit is because the name of his bullshit show is called bullshit. The very reason why everything he talks about is always bullshit and never the truth.
FaidleyEthan 8 months ago
The whole vaccination debate baffles me as people seem to favour being up-in-arms instead of actually sitting down and thinking 'Well, if we didn't have these vaccines, far more people would be dying of the illnesses they prevent'. Just like with EVERY SINGLE MEDICATION OUT THERE, you take a risk when you immunise children and there's a chance they may not take to it well. Simple solution- immunise your children at the doctors because if they do have a bad reaction, they have antidotes for them!
Rhielovesyouami92 9 months ago
All the proof you need is to just look around at the vibrant, healthy society that we live in. The miracle of modern medicine has made this possible. Medical clinics are popping up like mushrooms in my area, a testament to the wonderful healing power that doctors possess.
All the new jobs that are created in this exploding growth industry are a wonderful side benefit.
You gotta love it!
chriskendall1 9 months ago
I never thought the vaccines were the problem, I thought it was the preservatives they put in them.Angela Merkel and her staff were given a version of vaccine without the preservatives [during the last flu scare]while the rest of the country was offered the reg vaccine with the preservatives. Why would that be done if there is no problem?
bastardchildofmary 9 months ago
One creates and spreads dis ease in another's life's by creating hurt and dis ease for their life. Give the girl something to eat.
Undeterminable 9 months ago
Who do you immunise a child? Put them in a place where the dis ease is found (perhaps a classroom, shut doors, bricks in the wall?) allow the body naturally to accept the dis ease around them. Those that have a strong immune system will be immune. Those that have the dis ease shown in them lack the ability to hear, see, understand the truth. Give these children the ability to find the truth again (immune) and they will be made well again (healed). Do not hurt a child. This is to immunise.
Undeterminable 9 months ago
@Undeterminable Natural immunization doesn't always work.See my story re polio above.If the polio vaccine had been invented 10 years sooner,3 generations could have been spared suffering.
ScattySafari 3 months ago
The glory of good is yet to be shown in those that are sick. The sick will never be made well through modern medicine for it only ever considers the externally symptoms and try's to intervene internally. To be truly healed one must heal the self through fighting the dis ease in ones own body. One may give healing only if one will receive it freely. Will you be made whole?
Undeterminable 9 months ago
@greenmanmerc84 Indeed. All is forgiven. Your child would have been alive and well. Rather then half dead his whole life. Know the truth.
Undeterminable 9 months ago
Indeed. You believe in the death and hurt of one for the protection of many. This is wrong. To believe this is to be the one with the nails in your hand at the cross.
Undeterminable 9 months ago
Indeed. If one speaks out against the man then one is set aside. Andrew Wakefield has been struck off because he spoke out the truth. He was a Doctor and because he has spoken the truth you now condemn him and still believe the lie. Forgive one for judging.
Undeterminable 9 months ago
@Undeterminable I agree. Common sense would question why he would risk his career and future on a fraud. No one would do that unless they were pretty damned sure they were right. As usual, its about making money for big pharma and squashing truth.
bastardchildofmary 9 months ago
I agree with Penn totally! And I'm not a Mormon. or is that Moron?
semrausky 9 months ago
Giving your kids mercury filled vaccines is a great idea! Penn is a fucking retard shill for big Pharma.