Voto Latino's exclusive interview with Immortal Technique

[AndrewRyanJD]

"or double that amount" statistics on the spot

[CurllyBlvd]

I.T Goes Hard <3 Letting The Truth Be Know Risking His Life To Let The Pople Know..Take All His Music Into Consideration.

[GECHYA4BRAIN2BLOWN0]

i like this dude! hes a real motherfucker!

[davegrohlful]

if immortal technique was presedent the world would be a happier and fair-er place

[chivo1080]

lol Voting.

[cmickey35]

Ron Paul!

[shotgunwillie68]

@cmickey35 Are you fucking kidding me with your Ron Paul bullshit.. go and search for the video of Ron Paul on immigration, then shout out his name again.

[jimivaughan420]

@shotgunwillie68 Yea go vote for Obama again.... dumbass... Ron Paul wants to SAVE this country

[shotgunwillie68]

@jimivaughan420 You are just as much a victim of populism as the people were who voted for Adolf Hitler. Voting is not going to work, it never did. Stop being a sheep, stop kissing the ass of a guy who has a double agenda. The only guy worth of being president might be Vermin Supreme. But for the rest, fuck it. there is no hope, there is no problem small enough a president can fix this. Ron Paul can't do shit, neither can Obama. All you vote for is a puppet of the corporations.

[jimivaughan420]

@shotgunwillie68 Ron Paul DOESN'T work for the corporations. His record speaks for itself. Just because you were conned into voting for Obama, don't throw me into that pile of idiots. I NEVER voted for Obama or McCain cause I knew their voting records. They were EXACTLY like Bush in EVERY way. Don't make assumptions on Ron Paul based on OTHER candidates. That's fucking retarded

[shotgunwillie68]

@jimivaughan420 I am not even from the Netherlands, so would you stop saying I voted for any of the corporate puppets. Nothing will ever change, it's one big circle jerk every year to entertain the people. If there is going to be war, there is going to be war. If there is going to be exploitation there is going to be exploitation. And you guys have too, have you seen the fucking depts you guys are dealing with, jesus fuck. And I am not making false assumptions IT IS ALL M.O.N.E.Y.

[shotgunwillie68]

@shotgunwillie68 Mistake, I am from the Netherlands and Not from the United States.

[jimivaughan420]

@shotgunwillie68 Well then no wonder you haven't a clue who Ron Paul is. He is the anti-war candidate. He is for SMALLER government. He want's to cut out MOST foreign spending. He all ready has a plan to cut out a trillion dollars if elected. He is anti-establishment. We haven't had ANYONE like him in a long time, maybe that is why you are confused to who he really is. Why do you think main stream media bash him so much, LOL

[shotgunwillie68]

@jimivaughan420 I have a clue who he is, Ron Paul is the same guy who is against abortion, he does not even believe or considers Evolution, while he calls himself a scientist. He does also not believe in the separation between Church and State, even dumbass Bush believed in that. How do you think he can cut a trillion dollars? The entire already ruined economic structure will be getting fucked even harder it will bring you guys back to feudalism. Don't forget his bad points!!

[jimivaughan420]

@shotgunwillie68 First of all, there are BIGGER issues that abortion right now. Second of all, where the fuck did you get that he doesn't believe in separation of church and state? You do know he believes in states rights? Dude your clueless, I'm ending this conversation... I guess you want another corporate puppet, whatever I don't.. later

[shotgunwillie68]

@jimivaughan420 Ron Paul on Seperation of Church and State:

"The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders' political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government's hostility to religion."

[shotgunwillie68]

@jimivaughan420 Just because he has a couple of good points does not take away all the dumbass shitty points he has. Ever heard him talk about immigration? Giving illegals no healthcare what so ever, even saying "Let the Catholics take care of them or something" He voted for that 700 mile fence between the border of Mexico and the US. This guy still supports the 'Don't ask, don't tell' mentality in the military. Have fun in the 1950's with this conservative fool!

[jimivaughan420]

@shotgunwillie68 we can't afford to take care of illegals. I'm sorry but THATS a fact. I do feel bad for those people, but the Netherlands don't have a problem with illegals like we do. If you think we should take care of them all, then we can gladly ship some over your way. I'm sure you will have no objection if they just start setting up tents in your backyard without your permission and oh yea, expect you to take care of them and their babies because its the RIGHT thing to do. LOL come on...

[shotgunwillie68]

@jimivaughan420 Do have 1 Trillion dollars to spend on an illegal war in Iraq. 2.5 billion dollars to give to Israel every year to expand their Zionist colonies. Millions and millions and millions of dollars to maintain Guantanamo bay. Spend millions of dollars to maintain the biggest prison system in the world. But Illegals.. nah.. We can't afford that! Think about it, treating people equally.. HAHAHA what a joke.

[jimivaughan420]

@shotgunwillie68 I agree with you... but Ron Paul is the only one talking about ENDING the wars... BUT he SOOOO bad.... LOL now THATS a joke... don't say hes a bad guy then sit there and mock the illegal wars that he is GOING to END... fuck are you dull or what seems to be your problem? Anyway, why is it up to us to take care of these people anyway, I don't see the Netherlands stepping up and giving us any money to help illegals, oh yea I 4got its not YOUR problem, right? seriously fuck you LOL

[shotgunwillie68]

@jimivaughan420 Seriously.. he is going to end them? Reminds me of Obama saying he is going to close Guantanamo bay ^^ The US has over a 1000 military bases worldwide, you guys have so much imperial power that you basically control half of the planet. And it is my problem, since west-european nations are the slaves of the US. Holland is a very small country, in dept, because our money was on wall street too. That's why it is my problem, foolish American.. Stop the insults.

[shotgunwillie68]

@jimivaughan420 And eventually if you might stop the wars, you guys will run out of resources. Because we are capitalist nations, our economic system is not build on taking it easy. It is build on growth and expanding all in order to feed us and satisfy us in our needs that are not 100% necessary. Once our system cannot maintain that growth, it will collapse. It will collapse without natural resources. Where do you get those?.. cheap? With a war in the middle east. Happened before.. twice!

[shotgunwillie68]

@jimivaughan420 Also, what do you got to think about Ron Paul his plans; 1. Privatizing Public Schools 2. Eliminate minimum wage. 3. destroying unions and workers right. 4. Promote less taxes for the top 1% 5. Eliminate all public safety nets and 6. Eliminate all US and foreign disaster aid. These are just a couple of things I hear nobody about when it comes to him. Alright he is Anti War,anti federal reserve and anti drug war. But god dammnnn.. he has a lot of stupid ideas!

[jimivaughan420]

@shotgunwillie68 Guy, you are TOTALLY mixing up Ron Paul's policies... LOL, I could point out where you are wrong but I really don't think your going to get the message. But I would be curious to know who you think is better. I usually don't get an answer to that question. Cause most critics of Paul are quick to judge yet NEVER answer that question. I usually get a cop out answer like, "Well I can't vote so it doesn't matter" Well then your opinion doesn't matter then to me. LOL your lost buddy

[shotgunwillie68]

@jimivaughan420 Please, point it out for me. It might turn my opinions around. At this point I can say I only believe in Vermin Supreme you can look him up. The guy with a boot on his head. I can indeed not vote, you cannot either. It's one big show they put up every 4 years to satisfy the public. Do you honestly believe George Bush Jr. was elected democratically the first time? And who the fuck was so stupid to believe in Reagan or Nixon anyway. Kennedy had some good ideas, the guy got shot.

[jimivaughan420]

@shotgunwillie68 watch?v=chGJft5l8Ro

this guy kinda sounds like you... HA!!

[shotgunwillie68]

@jimivaughan420 If as president does not bow down for his military and economic top he will face the consequences. A president has nothing to say. He is a puppet, having nice speeches to satisfy the public. If you would see from a distance what is going on in the US you would be surprised the people didn't rise up and revolt yet. Here in Europe we are all just amazed about the fucked up shit happening in the US and you people just taking it as it is. Or believing in people who cant do shit!

[jimivaughan420]

@shotgunwillie68 and BTW, Mexico's immigration laws are 20 times more strict then that of the US. So it's ok for them to enforce it, but we can't. Yea THAT makes sense... whatever buddy

[SX1995able]

It`s cool that they interviewed Tech. They normally always interview bullshit rappers who know nothing about what they`re talking about.

[EvekFoo69]

Its all fucked up, if you go fight in a war and come back,they wont give you citizenship. . . Even after your done with your service

[Stardomchild]

One of the smartest guys in on the planet!

[Christian35th]

Well Said...

[EXTREMEproductions1]

i learned more in this interview more than would any day at school

[vinay10949]

@EXTREMEproductions1 he should have been my history teacher in school.

[ZackOnCrackk]

If you were my teacher in college, I would go to your class everyday, even if I was hungover haha

[1stjtru]

Wow very well spoken! Orale Che!



[STATICSOUND809]

damn he's so right wake up my fellow spanish people

[musclekid13]

If you're not a citizen and you do your 4 years for this country in military service, when you get back you should have automatic citizenship. Anyone who sacrifices, and puts their life on the line, I welcome you to my country with open arms.

[MrAnymeansnecessary]

@musclekid13 Fuck yeah dude.

[bigdaddycruz1]

Respect*

[bigdaddycruz1]

Repect

[oodles86]

how is he so smart

[smith37s]

@oodles86 because he reads a lot, thinks a lot, and is good at articulating his opinions based on that.

[Iciclesxo]

@oodles86 leaders are readers... (=

[elmoCM666]

every yr for my bday he comeas to the bay and lets me go on stage with him and last fridayhe was at the avalon (and he was sick =c ) i was chillin with dj gi joe, south paw, immortal technique etc. basically his whole crew. i had a great time..! that was my 12th bday present. ;-D

[noelzadork22]

hes so cute <3 lol

[2conscious]

(cont'd) Has illegal immigration curbed homophobia? Or do they copy the machismo of rap music and promote the hypocrisy of the catholic church? Has illegal immigration decreased overpopulation? This is like me criticizing Obama in 2008 and African-Americans attacking me like rabid dogs. BLIND LOYALTY TO YOUR TRIBE WILL NOT PROGRESS OUR STRUGGLE. If I criticize myself, my family, my brothers, etc....then illegal immigrants are not immune. Otherwise, ALL LAWS should be broken

[2conscious]

(cont'd) HOW has it changed the fabric of this nation like Langston Hughes, or Marcus Garvey, or Malcolm X, or the Black Panthers......besides gangs, more crimes and immigrants COPYING the style of African-Americans since we created the style and music since the early 1970's----what have they done that's so deep?? People are in extreme poverty in Africa, India, China---so why do THEY think they can skip the line and not face criticism?? I always criticize African-Americans, AND illegals.

[2conscious]

I don't agree with his views on illegal immigration (I'm against it and I'm African-American. And if we wanna go deep about immigrants....the Italians and Irish would terrorize the African-American CITIZENS in the early 1900's. So, just like Mexicans and others who create their own "Jim Crow" style hierarchy over African-Americans who OPENED THE DOORS FOR YOU---what has illegal immigration accomplished?? I mean, besides adding more lower class to another lower class....

[DannyboyVEVO]

FUCK OBAMA... TECHNIQUE 4 PRESIDENT

[MKVILLAIN]

whats the dream act?

[biglilfro]

1 dislike....must be a fucking illumanati...fuck yall

[BIGG209]

Immortal Technique inspired me to change

[selina52809]

Immortal Technuque For President!.

[kingnsl14]

Theres a shit load of Mexican in the armed forces and dont get enough respect for fighting for a country that disrespects them. Tech is the truth

[FifaSir]

@kingnsl14 Not only Mexicans, but all ethnic backgrouds who are not legal in this country have been also treated like Shit...I totally respect your comment Brother Kingsl14, but I also just want to add mor towards your comment.

[spidy05]

so does immmortal technique vote? or wtf lol

[matrix8831]

1:30 to 1:55 so fucking true. I think if youre in the army and you get deployed to somewhere then i think that should grant you AND your family automatic citizenship.

[1stSFOS]

@matrix8831 that's what i did i came to america from mexico when i was 10 and served two tours in Iraq.

[yoshi033090]

excactyly what he said we shpoudl register as independent

[kosolo1988]

DOES IMMORTAL TECHNIQUE LIKE FIDEL CASTRO ??

[SlyBeGone]

@kosolo1988 If so, would that change your opinion on him?

[kosolo1988]

WHAT DOES HE MEAN REGISTER AS INDEPEDENCE ??

[SlyBeGone]

@kosolo1988 He means to register as an independent, neither democrat or republican.

[ricekrispyplayer]

@kosolo1988 thats a time of part like republican party and democratic party

[greatesteva14]

@kosolo1988 basically be an independent politic force representing the latino community as a whole...

[TheRevolutionsoldier]

if immortal technique was my history teacher i would go to school everyday....and i would sign up for summer school

[BlackMercurial10R]

i listen to immortal technique as i study

[lordslayer22]

@RashadzMcCantz the getaway how funny

[lordslayer22]

does this guy like fidel

[Romello4u]

This cat is seriously well read. You dumb maryland farmers that keep say that jay-z and lil wayne are the best rappers are stupid.

[MrEDP2011]

Immortal technique makes me want to learn more about the truth not what the government wants me to learn i thought i knew history pretty well but there all lies.

[FarmerosUnidos]

My hero :')

[muchomix]

real talk!

[THEAKman47]

he is my hero

[july28rm]

@stewartLucrative.. He clearly says he doesnt agree w/ the war.. & he never called them 'heroes' he just said he gives them props for putting their life on the line for a country that doesnt even want them here..

[StewartLucrative]

You can't play both sides, critisising the war, then trying to exhault people involved in the war as hero's just because they are latino. You either agree with it or not.

[13heavymetal]

@StewartLucrative He never did. He said that these people were brave enough to put their lives on the line for the government, and the government doesn't even feel the need to recognize them as citizens.

[x0ticShwty]

he has soo much knowledge. 

[ImmortalTechHC]

@x0ticShwty when you have a open mind, a thirst for knowledge and understanding of things then you have men like this hes not the only one just simply one of the most well known and outspoken. 

[julioshawtylean76]

immortal technique makes me smarter every time i hear a song or a speech

[ozdawg69]

im not latino, but i agree wit everything he just said

[NY10909]

Immortal Technique-Rapper,Artist,Activi­st,REVOLUTIONARY. they forgot the most important one..

[robertosixninesix]

@NY10909 ya but revolutionary is basically another way of saying activist

[chris96kalonji]

@NY10909 Shit, ha ha you beat me to it;) Also, activist and Revolutionary are two different things. Like Pepsi and sprite. Both Soda, they just go about it differently;)

[robertosixninesix]

this is on the real

[eastsideconnect133]

what you guys don't realize is that if immortal technique went on the O'Reilly factor, Bill would probably get knocked out 

[SoTtOMaN829]

This guy have very clear ideas, he's certainly a very intelligent person. I would also like to see him give an interview on Fox News, would be very interesting. Yesterday I saw an interview on the Bill O'Reilly Factor with Lupe Fiasco and although his music makes sense, I thought Lupe doesn't have as clear ideas like Immortal Technique.

[O63MP13r]

@SoTtOMaN829 lupe fiasco is a ,more bitchass version of immortal technique because he had to suck all that mainstream dick in order to get plays immortal technique got his plays by not suckin that dick

[323zapper]

Very Smart

[Alexthegreat8907]

I would kill to see Tech make an appearance on the OReilly Factor.

[TruthfullyRude]

@Alexthegreat8907 same...dont know that reilly would allow it though...getting his ass kicked by some "gangster rapper in the lowest form of entertainment"

[thebadcrue822]

Immortal Technique is the man

[FightTheSystem1492]

props technique.. keep doing your thing man.. 

[chewbaca1989]

No scientists, no Doctors, the Aviation engineers, or Constitutional scholars. Voto Latino, this is the emotional and disconnected sensationalism they offer to the "Latino", presented by "artists" to get youth to be Marxists. This douche bag wears Che T-shirts. What a dick.

[FindRealHipHop]

@chewbaca1989 Che was fighting an imperialism force that invaded Cuba. The drove them off the island and gave the land to the actual Cuban people. Learn history.

[chewbaca1989]

@FindRealHipHop

To give them Communism, you left that part out. And the Cuban people have suffered for it. It is the most backwards ideology of all time. It pretends to take industrialized societies and then govern the economy with centralized planning.

You will know them by their fruits.

[FindRealHipHop]

@chewbaca1989 Communism isnt bad, you have just been brainwashed, communism is where the wealth is shared, there is no rich or poor, do you see communist countries with unemployment or a depression? no. The rich in the western counries tell you communism is evil because if communism got a foot hold then they would no longer be rich. Look up the Russian workers revolution, the average joe was getting ripped off so they fought for communism, so they can get a equal cut.

[chewbaca1989]

@FindRealHipHop

It's horrible an artificial construct that pretends to take industrialized societies and manage them with a new philosophy. The rich and powerful consolidate power. The Bolsheviks where financed to the tune of 20 million dollars by U.S. Bankers that Trotsky delivered. And who spreads the wealth? Is it the average Joe? Really? Who's got the guns, is it Joe? No. Western society has outshone Communists at every turn. Rapping for instance, Cars, aeronautics, medicine, internet, etc.

[chewbaca1989]

@FindRealHipHop

Your a dangerous person and abhor Communists with a passion and I always scold and belittle Che wearing douche bags on the street. You folks get blood boiling.

[FindRealHipHop]

@chewbaca1989 I am a dangerous person? How do you know if you have never met me? I would never hurt a fly. Also ive never worn a Che t-shirt. And btw, Communist countries have actually done better in medicine and aeronautics. A country sould be judged on how it treats its worst off citizens, and the US treats them like shit, as well as the UK and Canada. Yes its a artifical construct, so is Capitalism, so is socilism and facism.

[chewbaca1989]

@FindRealHipHop

Fascism is a more blatantly open control of Government by Business and Money changers. Communism is an occult version of the same wrapped up in a philosophy of a workers paradise. The Construct of which I refer to is a philosophy that Technocrats think they can run an economy from a Centralized government from the top down. The largest expanse of human advancements are from the Western Christiandom, not form the rag of Communism born in Eastern Europe. That's a fact jack.

[chewbaca1989]

@FindRealHipHop

I challenge your notion that Capitalism is an artificial construct but rather a naturally occurring phenomena in human development. Aeronautic advances pale in comparison, first powered flight. Transcontinental passages (Pan Am), supersonic.

You are patently wrong about Medical developments and treatments. All together it is not to say that individual in Communist societies are not brilliant. They are! And have contributed hugely in spite of living in a G_d forsaken system.

[FindRealHipHop]

@chewbaca1989 stop saying its a god forsaken system, it makes you sound like you have no education. And all you have to do is look outside, its pritty clear that the vast majority of the working class are fed up with capitalism, with vast unemployment, higher and higher food prices and no wage increase to keep in par with it. Btw, you sound like a right wing religious nut, so I say this, Hilter hated Communism too, you two might have been good friends!

[chewbaca1989]

@FindRealHipHop

What you support is an abject failure. Capitalism has moved humanity foreword in all it's endeavors. You are: Fail, Fail, Fail.

[FindRealHipHop]

@chewbaca1989 Unless you have your head in a hole, its obvious that Capitalism is on its last legs. In fact the US (Capitalist country) owns money to China (Communist country).

[chewbaca1989]

@FindRealHipHop

I will concur that the current system is being dismantled piece by piece. It has drawn upon the 10 planks of Communism to do so you will agree. We have a graduated income tax, and a fiat Centralized banking system that is part of the prescription to convert a industrialized society to Communism. So yes, your assessment is correct. The question the becomes what do we do as the crisis grows? There is a war of ideas, what you follow and what I believe based on research. Fight's on

[FindRealHipHop]

@chewbaca1989 What I follow and believe is the poor getting screwed over by the ritch, class warfare, fights on, but you can actually see that, ie the middle east revolutions, the current spanish revolution, riots in england, greece and france.

[chewbaca1989]

@FindRealHipHop

The "Rich" fund Communism. The movements that you cite are because countries adopt centralized economic planning and dictate legal tender that is fiat. All, that's right all countries cited are part of the EU.

You seem like a good enough fellow, give me you mind: EU the new Soviet: /watch?v=bM2Ql3wOGcU

[chewbaca1989]

@FindRealHipHop

You know what really irateness me to no end? I'lll tell you you and people like you cite how wonderful Government health care is, and how great Communism is. And all you have to look is at the countries that who's economy's and government are more of the type of model you want. Spain, Greece, the UK, and you can see that the systems are collapsing within a few decades of adopting "Fundamental Change", adopting Socialism. America has had it's ups and downs since 1776 not decades.

[FindRealHipHop]

@chewbaca1989 Look at Canada and Scotland, they are "socialist" counties as well as Sweden, and they are doing fine, in fact some of them have free health care AND free post education.

[chewbaca1989]

@FindRealHipHop

Canada, Scotland, and Sweden? OMG, your very hopeless. The writings on the wall and that isn't going last for long. Systems of Socialism, the decades of proven failure and you want fundamentally change America's 235 years history? That's a scream bro. Good luck.

[FindRealHipHop]

@chewbaca1989 Proven failure? They have survived the reccesion and have better health care and education than the US. Your just a hillbilly who chants USA everywhere you go, your the reason why the world hates the States.

[chewbaca1989]

@FindRealHipHop

I think I have distinction of State vs. Federal Socialism. I am against Fedreral. "Survived the Recesion", now I want you to understand something the dollar Crisis is on the Horizon and it's coming like like Tsunami. This is not over for many reason particularly economic indicators that are totally different that that of the Depression.Things are only getting worse and will continue to. Communism is an abject failure. By any objective analysis it is a failure. I'm not White.

[satyaqraha]

@chewbaca1989 I'm sorry but you seem to have a misunderstanding of economic systems and what works. Communism has never been attempted or achieved, but socialism has (U.S.S.R., Cuba, etc.) and the U.S.S.R. wasn't exactly an "abject failure" (it was a rival superpower). Their fault was their totalitarian government, not socialism. And you think capitalism "works"? Look at the countries of Africa and tell me it always works. And not being white doesn't somehow make your statement more credible.

[chewbaca1989]

@satyaqraha

Communism was attempted and could never work so it was an abject failure on so many levels. You are the one with the misunderstanding so let me illustrate to you how much of a failure it was. Millions have died trying to make Communism work.

The arts, film, automotive, medicine, aeronautics, fashion, music, inventions, innovation, business, cosmetology. In every area of human advancement Capitalism demolishes Communism. So come again?

[seraph101]

@chewbaca1989 And a lot more people have died and been oppressed under capitalism. That is the nature of capitalism, and the world is dying because of it. So how has it "worked" exactly? And human advancement has got jack shit to do with capitalism, so how retarded are you? Fact is, we can't call ourselves evolved in any real sense as long as we have such a barbaric, sick system in place. And oh, the amount of anit communist propaganda tells us something really interesting, you understand?

[ScionAscendant]

Corporatism, not capitalism. The funny thing is, 99% of the people you see on TV in a debate or a speech who claim to be for capitalism are not. They're for big business being protected from competition by their political connections. In a real capitalism, you get to the top by being the best, not by having the friends in the highest places. Blame it on the ability of the government to interfere with fair competition, not on capitalism.

[seraph101]

@ScionAscendant Why even have a top that a few can reach and others can not? Why even pit people against each other? As I said: cooperation!, not competition!

[ScionAscendant]

@seraph101 Capitalism makes use of cooperation and competition, and both are required for capitalism to work. Competition is part of our lives as human beings anyway. Have you ever played sports? Played video games? Felt good about getting a high test score? Taken pride in being good at something? Say for example that grades in school were the same for everyone in a given class, maybe that an average was made out of everyones score. Is that fair to the brightest? The hardest working?

[lovestothrash]

@ScionAscendant Do you think donald trump works harder than a poor single mother? Socialism is just asking for a level playing field. Capitalism is more like giving everyone a different test. You clearly take the stability in your life for granted. I hope you feel what its like to have nothing someday.

[ScionAscendant]

@lovestothrash Oh please. You presume a great deal about me without even knowing me. I left home when I was 16, been unemployed, homeless, and I know what it means to be hungry. And yes, even in an ideal, uncorrupted capitalism, it is still at heart a meritocracy; the best, most skilled, or most intelligent will almost always be more successful in society. If you find that concept unjust, I don't know what I could really say that would mean anything to you. I prefer freedom and risk...

[ScionAscendant]

@ScionAscendant to servitude and security. You can't have freedom and security, the two are mutually exclusive. I suppose there's no real way to reconcile the two viewpoints, except one thing i can say is that freedom still allows you to give it up in order to make yourself secure, the reverse is not true.

[seraph101]

@ScionAscendant Having a society based on competition where you are pit against one another in order to make it is sick at its core. Having a society where people work together and everyone can benefit from the results of that cooperation, that is the only sane way to go, in my opinion. The elitist notion "he who works the hardest gets the farthest" is retarded. Why not work together so that everyone can go far?

[ScionAscendant]

@seraph101 You already can if you and others want to. What people really want is for everyone to be FORCED to work together. Nothing stops you from working together with whomever you want, for whatever you want. So go ahead and do it. But it's not about that, it's about forcing everyone to help you accomplish what your objectives for society are. It doesn't matter how noble the objective of socialism is, it requires force, and as far as I'm concerned, the ends do not justify the means.

[chewbaca1989]

@seraph101

If you do not recognize that all areas of human endeavor in the past two centuries have been lead by Capitalistic Western Christendom I don't see how we can come to agree on anything. Is advancement the same as evolution? I don't understand you. I'd say that Communism is the sick system, it has a monolithic system that it must default to. I've seen your future and it has come and gone. A tree that bears no fruit.

[seraph101]

@chewbaca1989 I'll say one thing. if you mention the words christendom and advancement as if they have anything to do with each other, then something is seriously wrong. Cooperation instead of competition, that is the only sane way to go. Having people competing against each other, that is truly sick. And your opinion on communism stems from severe propaganda and brainwashing. Sorry.

[chewbaca1989]

@seraph101

Historically this era will be remembered in this term, Islam had it's Golden Age of Islam. And who will be the arbitrator of the forced "cooperation"? You? Your the sane one, I can see. The real do good with a healthy outlook on life. What happens when people don't go along with your "cooperation"? Again, not to beat a dead horse but all leading the way in all fields of human endeavor is Capitalism and not Communism.

[zinakan]

@FindRealHipHop i wish Canada had free post education......its not as bad or expensive as the States but u still have to pay. Life is pretty good here though i cant complain