Dear greeks, you should understand that people from Fyrom are mentally retarded. They have been growing in an extremly grim ambient with atrocious propaganda against Bulgaria and Greece. Considering also their "education system" you get the picture...
So when we speak with fyromians we should be speaking as we were talking to someone with down syndrome, someone who has been mentally invalidated.
So let's be gentle and comprehensive with this handicapped.
шиптарите се појавуваат на овие простори во 11 век таке да све е ова срање. а овој е неписмен таке да нема што да јаде гомна. терорист, израснат во планина, цел живот пасел овци и на крај од европа и америка го пикаат овде да води политика. педерска работа. само македонскиот народ полека се освестува. ке го јадат шиптариве нешколовани. има све да ги дерам да им ебам племето
да ти се дъни отвсякъде историята, денонощно по телевизията да изкачат разни малоумници с всякакви идиотски версии за историята, да ти обещават във време на падение национален възход след 3 години (обаче никой да не казва как) и ти да седиш и да лапаш мухи. Това граничи с тежък кретенизъм. И 12 годишно ще се осъмни, че нещо не е наред.
Другият идиотизъм - да викаш, че съседите ти са едва ли не китайци, като ги виждаш, че не са по-различни от теб.
@TalkToTheHand1231 вие сте татари а и пола сте македонци. пола бугарија се македонци. влеговте во ЕУ а уште живите скотски, скотови едни. бедотии. све предавници за ситни пари. да ви ебам татарите да ви ебам
@pittoBG ТАТАРСКИ БЕ ПЛЕМЕ. ТАТАРСКИ. до душа пола сте македонци во бугарија таке да може и ти си македонец ама незнаеш. ама кој ке дознаеш доцна ке ти е
Тази антикомания на Балканите вече мина всякакви граници!И не са само във ФИРОМ,Али Ахмети хубаво обяснява,че ФИРОМците понеже са "словени" немогат да присвояват Александър,но пропуска да каже,че и неговите шиптари нямат по-голямо право да го присвоят,
,но това не им пречи да го правят също както и ФИРОМците.А за гръцките фантазьори пък какво да кажем те са най-големите крадци на антична история,а нямат по-големи права от ФИРОМците и шиптарите.
А на север пък си имаме едни "дако-римляни" въобще обградени сме от измислени народи с измислени и изпокрадени истории.Само ние не сме започнали да грабим от "героичната антична история"!
@AS1923CSKA ахаххаха о племе диво, вие ни историја ни курац немате. цела историја ви е само ПРЕДАВСТВА. Цела историја лишевте кур на некој. мрш да ви ебам племето,
@AS1923CSKA абе о слепци едни ако има александар поголема врска со шиптарите од нас ја одма се бесам. шиптарите се појавуваат на овие простори во 11 век таке да све е ова срање. а овој е неписмен таке да нема што да јаде гомна. терорист, израснат во планина, цел живот пасел овци и на крај од европа и америка го пикаат овде да води политика. педерска работа. само македонскиот народ полека се освестува. ке го јадат шиптариве нешколовани. има све да ги дерам да им ебам племето
All ancient sources show 2 nations on ancient Balkans - Thracian and Greeks.
Southern Thracians were very much elinised because they admired the high Greek culture. Especially the Thracian aristrocracy.
Philip the father of Alexander never learned to speak good Greek, and was mocked by Greeks at his time, even being great king. He hired Aristotle to teach Alexander in Greek culture.
For the world Alexander will always be Greek. If Fyroms are smart they will embrace their Thracian/Slav roots
Има и луде кои веруваат во тоа, но тоа не е работа за конференции за печатот, туку за универзитети, а ако не помогнат универзитетите - тогаш за ЛЕКАРИ...
На прес конференција во Атина, српскиот книжевник и политичар Вук Драшкович изйавува: „Йас сум слушал многу, односно не многу, но доста школувани луде од Скопие, кои од некаде веруваат дека Александар Македонски бил Словен и дека е нивен родоначалник.
Tea ne se zainteresirani za razumen kompromis. Preku provociranje na Grcija celta im e oddalechuvanje na FYROMakedonija od NATO i EU, so shto ostanuva..... zaedno so Srbija nadvor od EU.!
A recently published book "Veneti: First Builders of European Community", considered to be one of the most comprehensive works on the early history of Slovenes, presents the Proto-Slavic Veneti as the first known nation of central Europe and the Slovenes as their most direct descendants.
That beautilful but they had greek names, believed in greek gods, played at olympic games (only greeks could play), used greek alphabet (coins with greek letters)... Finaly slavomacedonians want to f*** greeks but greek history was written by strangers (english, french...) so the enemy are not the greeks who beat each other turks to be free...
Another archeological source that provides evidence for the Macedonians is the work of German Toponimist Max Fasmer. Fasmer in his book The Slavs in Greece examines the origins of 334 prehistoric Phoenician toponyms in Epirus and concludes that they are of Slavic origin. Through his studies, Fasmer has discovered that there is a relationship between the ancient Phoenicians and the medieval Slavs. He also clearly emphasizes that that Slavs inhabited Epirus.
On the subject of language, it would be evident from the text of Arrian, Plutarch, and Curtius Rufus that Alexander's army spoke Macedonian not Greek. Any other interpretation would be intolerably difficult, if not impossible, to accept. The main evidence for ancient Macedonian existing as a separate language comes from a handful of late sources describing events in the train of Alexander the Great, where the Macedonian tongue is mentioned specifically.
The evidence suggests that Macedonian was distinct from ordinary Attic (ancient Athenian) used as a language of the court and of diplomacy. The handful of surviving genuine Macedonian words - not loan words from Greek - do not show the changes expected from a Greek dialect. (Eugene Borza)
Modern day Greeks would like to pass off Demostheness castigations of Philip II as political rhetoric, and yet Demosthenes was twice appointed to lead the war effort of Athens against Macedonia.
He, Demosthenes, said of Philip that, Philip was not Greek, nor related to Greeks but comes from Macedonia where a person could not even buy a decent slave. Soon after his death the people of Athens paid him fitting honours by erecting his statue in bronze, and by decreeing that the eldest member of his family should be maintained in the prytaneum at public expense.
On the base of his statue was carved his famous inscription: If only your strength had been equal, Demosthenes, to your wisdom Never would Greece have been ruled by a Macedonian Ares. (J.T. Griffith) Greece "ruled" not "united" by a Macedonian Ares. Also, was it not the Greek philosopher Lycurgus who said, "With the death of Chaeronea was buried the freedom of Greece?"
This is more evidence that the proto-Slavs originated in Macedonia and according to Grinevich, the language spoken by the Aegean Pelasti is the same as that spoken by the pre-Slavs (p. 175). Grinevich has also stated that the pre-Slavic written language is very close to the Old Slavic written literary language of all Slavs. (Genadij Stanistavlovich Grinevich, World History Department, Russian Physical Society, Moscow, 1994)
This is more evidence that the proto-Slavs originated in Macedonia and according to Grinevich, the language spoken by the Aegean Pelasti is the same as that spoken by the pre-Slavs (p. 175). Grinevich has also stated that the pre-Slavic written language is very close to the Old Slavic written literary language of all Slavs. (Genadij Stanistavlovich Grinevich, World History Department, Russian Physical Society, Moscow, 1994)
The fact that some modern authors ascribe Hellenic affinity to the ancient Macedonians should come as no great surprise, given the impact of Johan Gustav Droysen on early nineteenth-century historians where Macedonia is depicted as a natural "unifier" of the Greek city-states.
The same role was played by Prussia and Savoy in German and Italian unification in the nineteenth century. "On this false analogy the whole of Greek history was now boldly reconstructed as a necessary process of development leading quite naturally to a single goal: unification of the Greek nation under Macedonian leadership". (Werner Jaeger)
To paraphrase Eugene Borza, it was a dynamic idea in the minds of 19th century German intellectuals and politicians to see something of themselves, of the German State unification, conquests, creativity and culture in the Greeks and Philip as the embodiment of national will and the unifier of Greece.
In other words, the ancient history written for the modern Greeks by 19th century German scholars was nothing more than a German vision of the Glorious German unification superimposed on the Greek model.
For on many occasions when I and the other Greeks sent embassies to you begging you to remove from your statutes the law empowering you to get booty from booty, you replied that you would rather remove Aetolia from Aetolia than that law
"well documented" and "appropriate citations" ????
You got to be kidding me !!!! You should try to sell that to some idiots without any basic knowledge of history, archeology and linguistics, someone like the idiot who speaks in this video. I am sure you can find common understanding with him that wiil be "well documented" and with "appropriate citations" .
oh really professor? and whai is ur truth? That the Bulgarians of FYROM are macedonians? why don't u share ur knowledge with the rest and show us your proofs? wake up dude! Stay in ur ignorance, it's nice there!
Yes, really. And the knwoledge is everywhere if you are interested for it. Just avoid the crap what demented Oto and unemployed historian Droysen and his followers created for you. Try some of the more modern historians and linguists, the ones that are recognized.
what Ottom craeted for us? ua fre out od reality dude, Did Otto write the ancient inscriptrions? get real, so why don't u give us facts. get real dude and visit a museum!
otto created your false history. Along with his friend droysen. Maybe you should take a look in your first constitution (or whatever you call it) from 1832.
quit drugs dude, did Otto write all the ancient inscriptions? did Otto made Alexander say that he was Greek? u are beyond reality! Did Otto spread the ancient Greek language? hahahahaha
and why don't u tell us your real history? and of course the proofs to support it! Otto did not make our history dude, and we did not expect Otto to teach us history, open a book!
And when the book of Daniel was showed to him (Alexander the Great) wherein Daniel declared that one of the Greeks should destroy the empire of the Persians, he supposed that himself was the person intended
wtf so vi e tatko mu na aleksandar bil Makedonec a majkamu ne se znae moze bi bila od nekoj grchki ostrov, a nz od kaj ispadnaa albancive ???? a nz od kaj oni star narod ??? i toa e istorija bilo pominalo ne ja vrakajte istorijata nazat gledajte napred
@petrich23 europeans push us to take one albanian party with us, that is the party what win from albanians. btw vmro has 60 Representatives and DUI just few. vmro do what it want, DUI is just a mask. bue
On this occasion, he [Alexander] made a very long speech to the Thessalians and the other Greeks, and when he saw that they encouraged him with shouts to lead them against the Barbarians, he shifted his lance into his left hand, and with his right appealed to the gods, as Callisthenes tells us, praying them, if he was really sprung from Zeus, to defend and strengthen the Greeks.
[Plutarch. Alexander (ed. Bernadotte Perrin) XXXIII]
Skopje never belonged to Macedonia. In the ancient times,it was the capital of DARDANIA. During the Ottoman occupation until 1912 it was the capital of the Villaeti of Kosovo and from 1912 until 1944 it was the capital of the administrative precinct of Vardar. FYROM is not Macedonia!
"The country by the sea which is now called Macedonia... Alexander, the father of Perdiccas, and his forefathers, who were originally Temenidae from Argos" Thucydides 99,3 (Loeb, C F Smith)
"It is your privilege, as one who has been blessed with untrammeled freedom, to consider all Hellas your fatherland, as did the founder of your race". Isocrates, To Philip, 127 (Loeb, G. Norlin)
"Argos is the land of your fathers". Isocrates, To Philip, XII, 32 (Loeb, G. Norlin)
but a country can also not have a stupid name like fyrom
the reason why (even educated) people think he was a slav is communist propaganda that told us Czechs and Slovaks we are slavic brothers with turkmens and armenians for 42 years
yeah but how many latin names you have now in usa what does that mean that us is also latinn ??? listen my friend greek names are all over balkan so as latin names and myslim so ya cant rely on a fucking name my brainwashed greek friend
the only brainwashe is u! do u think it was just this name? all macedonian names were Greek, they had Greek gods, spread the Greek language, took part in the amfiktyonies and the olympic games like all greeks, had the same traditions and every inscription is Greek, what is FYROM's relation? Nothing at all, FYROM is a slavic state that was part of Paeonia and Skopje was the capital of Dradania, so don;t give me history lesson not u!
24 February 1999: In an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, Gyordan Veselinov, FYROMs Ambassador to Canada, admitted, "We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian." He also commented "there is some confusion about the identity of the people of this country."
the Foreign Minister of the FYROM, Slobodan Casule, in an interview to Utrinski Vesnik of Skopje on December 29, 2001, said that he mentioned to the Foreign Minister of Bulgaria, Solomon Pasi, that they belong to the same Slav people.
"But Alexander proving himself to be an Argive, he was judged to be a Greek; so he contended in the furlong race and ran a dead heat for the first place". Herodotus V, 22, 2 (Loeb, A. D. Godley)
FYROM is the reasult of the bulgarian VMRO, a plan which was continued by Tito in 1944 when he reanamed Vardarska to Macedonia to avoid a bulgarian annexion of that land, to weaken Serbia and aslo to ask for land from Greece!
since every nation had its own Gods and culture. Macedon was the son of Zeus according to Greek culture.....just like in Egypt, Osiris was the son of Orion....
"And she conceived and bore to Zeus who delights in the thunderbolt two sons, Magnes and Macedon, rejoicing in horses, who dwell round-about Pieria and Olympus", Hesiod, Catalogues of Women and Eoiae 3 (Loeb, H.G. Evelyn-White).
so since the macedonian royal house were Greeks from Argos, the name Macedonia is Greek, they spoke Greek,had Greek religion, spread the Greek language and culture, had Greek names, took part in the Olympic games and Amfiktyonies which were only for Greeks, what di u think that they were???
Check the macedonian toponyms, Thessalonik, Mieza, Thermi, Pella, Aiges, Dion, Apollwnia, Neapolis, Amphipolis,all Greek! Alexander was proud for his descent through Achilles and Heracles & those were Greeks
these were parts of Greek civilisatiuon dude! some people say it is myth, others say it is not but it is like codified history, the fact is no matter what, they were parts of the Greek life!
first of all i did not say that they did not exist. Secondly i showed that this name is related to Greek culture and civilisation,so how can it be non Greek?and third the macedonian royal house was originally from Argos, Tememidae from Argos!
In this period, sixty-five years before the founding of Rome, Carthage was established by the Tyrian Elissa, by some authors called Dido. About this time also Caranus, a man of royal race, eleventh in descent from Hercules, set out from Argos and seized the kingship of Macedonia. From him Alexander the Great was descended in the seventeenth generation, and could boast that, on his mothers side, he was descended from Achilles, and, on his fathers side, from Hercules."
@zvezdaDenica oooooo татарче ај да ми го пушиш куров ти мене ако? да ви ебам племето татарско пола бугарија е македонија бе неписмен. сисај ми куров, може тогај ке поверуеш дека и ти си македонец.
@zvezdaDenica rusko lajno ti ke kazes za Makedonija pi4ka ti mater da ti ebe konj majkati na tatkoti na grobot pi4ka ti mater ciganska SMRT cigan UMRI mater da ti ebam SMRT !! ne odi na ulica ke te ubijat !!
@MACEDONIAisBULGARIAN koga togas ke se sretneme pa kazi mi go vlice toa da vidam kolku si silen bugarski cigan BIMBATA U USTA ke ti ispuka RUSKO LAJNO pomijar cigan mule majkati e siluvana od turci pi4ka ti mater SMRT za bugari
@FYROMustafa Hey muslim suck my Macedonian dick .. sey hi to r whore mother and tell her to stop jurk off her pussy to mohamed piece od shit .. give me adress mother fucker you will see who is the right men
@FYROMustafa gayreece ?? no such a thing !! soon you will see what gonna happend hahahahahahahaha one dollar sex whore gayreece women hahahahahah sex sex sex
@pepimk ела, аз ке ти го лапам куро и ке ти го лижам анусо, с пре голем КЕФ!!! додека постоим ний македонските бугари, македонистката байка никогаж не ке биде препознаена во свето. денешните бугари са траки и трако-македонци (пеонци), словени и пра бугари (тюркизирани ИРАНЦИ). градот охрид се вели така, туку по завоюването му от бугарите во крайо на 9 век. охра от ИРАНСКИ значит златест (преводот на античното лихнида - сяйен), вардар - врвяшта (мошна) река, корча - нож, девол - стена...
@toofunkyniki idi pij si lekarstvata !! ti si najgroznia peder videh te na slika idi baraj osteta od majkati i tatko ti hahahaha ti si katastrofa bre !!
@pepimk ела, аз ке ти го лапам куро и ке ти го лижам анусо, с пре голем КЕФ!!! додека постоим ний македонските бугари, македонистката байка никогаж не ке биде препознаена во свето. денешните бугари са траки и трако-македонци (пеонци), словени и пра бугари (тюркизирани ИРАНЦИ). градот охрид се вели така, туку по завоюването му от бугарите во крайо на 9 век. охра от ИРАНСКИ значит златест (преводот на античното лихнида - сяйен), вардар - врвяшта (мошна) река, корча - нож, девол - стена...
@toofunkyniki konj da ja ebe majkati na tatkoti na grob a ti da gledas od invalidna kolicka plemeto cigansko da ti go ebam umri da ti ebam ciganskata dusa sto ja imas sve da ti izebam sestrati sin da ti rodi picka ti mater guptin dolen
@pepimk konj da ja ebe majkati na tatkoti na grob a ti da gledas od invalidna kolicka plemeto cigansko da ti go ebam umri da ti ebam ciganskata dusa sto ja imas sve da ti izebam sestrati sin da ti rodi picka ti mater guptin dolen
@pepimk konj da ja ebe majkati na tatkoti na grob a ti da gledas od invalidna kolicka plemeto cigansko da ti go ebam umri da ti ebam ciganskata dusa sto ja imas sve da ti izebam sestrati sin da ti rodi picka ti mater guptin dolen
Bravo Ahmeti !!
theodosis18 1 week ago
fucking monkeydonians
jekoooooo1 2 weeks ago
so Ali Ahmeti the FEZ is claiming Alexander the Great for ISLAM ??
trust this damn 3rd world gypsy countries !!! = uneducated psychos
ratzP 1 month ago in playlist GreekMacedonia
Dear greeks, you should understand that people from Fyrom are mentally retarded. They have been growing in an extremly grim ambient with atrocious propaganda against Bulgaria and Greece. Considering also their "education system" you get the picture...
So when we speak with fyromians we should be speaking as we were talking to someone with down syndrome, someone who has been mentally invalidated.
So let's be gentle and comprehensive with this handicapped.
TranceElevation 5 months ago
@TranceElevation
hahahaha good one.
MACEDONIANbybirth 3 months ago
шиптарите се појавуваат на овие простори во 11 век таке да све е ова срање. а овој е неписмен таке да нема што да јаде гомна. терорист, израснат во планина, цел живот пасел овци и на крај од европа и америка го пикаат овде да води политика. педерска работа. само македонскиот народ полека се освестува. ке го јадат шиптариве нешколовани. има све да ги дерам да им ебам племето
salence51 9 months ago
да ти се дъни отвсякъде историята, денонощно по телевизията да изкачат разни малоумници с всякакви идиотски версии за историята, да ти обещават във време на падение национален възход след 3 години (обаче никой да не казва как) и ти да седиш и да лапаш мухи. Това граничи с тежък кретенизъм. И 12 годишно ще се осъмни, че нещо не е наред.
Другият идиотизъм - да викаш, че съседите ти са едва ли не китайци, като ги виждаш, че не са по-различни от теб.
Абе "македонци" как ни се изправиха очите?
ludite12 1 year ago
@ludite12 CIGAN DAJ BOZE DA UMRES PLEME CIGANSKO SMRT MATER DA TI EBAM SMRT !! gomna da jades majkati ciganska SMRT !!
pepimk 5 months ago
WE ARE ALL BULGARIANS IN SKOPJE!
130Z130Z 1 year ago
@130Z130Z да ми го јадеш куров. и во бугарија сите сте македонци бе слепец
salence51 9 months ago
ajbe vie bugarite, ste slovenizirani a vasiot koren e tarski-turci, a ovi siptari koga togas ce im dojde karajot???
sasesex38 2 years ago
@sasesex38 ahahah budala:) takava neshto kato tatarsko-turski koren nqma.
A vie ste izmislena naciq.Vsichki go znaqt,samo vie si vqrvate na prostotiite :)
TalkToTheHand1231 2 years ago 2
@TalkToTheHand1231 вие сте татари а и пола сте македонци. пола бугарија се македонци. влеговте во ЕУ а уште живите скотски, скотови едни. бедотии. све предавници за ситни пари. да ви ебам татарите да ви ебам
salence51 9 months ago
Нищо не знаеш ти за нашата история, затова си замълчи
NoTToNF1 1 year ago
tarski li ni e korena? E kakvo e tova "Tarski",. be dusho?? Nekvo novo dvajse??)))))Ajdi pozdrav ot Majka Bylgaria))
pittoBG 1 year ago
@pittoBG ТАТАРСКИ БЕ ПЛЕМЕ. ТАТАРСКИ. до душа пола сте македонци во бугарија таке да може и ти си македонец ама незнаеш. ама кој ке дознаеш доцна ке ти е
salence51 9 months ago
umrete siptari umrete grci
MrNino2323 2 years ago
Тази антикомания на Балканите вече мина всякакви граници!И не са само във ФИРОМ,Али Ахмети хубаво обяснява,че ФИРОМците понеже са "словени" немогат да присвояват Александър,но пропуска да каже,че и неговите шиптари нямат по-голямо право да го присвоят,
AS1923CSKA 2 years ago 2
,но това не им пречи да го правят също както и ФИРОМците.А за гръцките фантазьори пък какво да кажем те са най-големите крадци на антична история,а нямат по-големи права от ФИРОМците и шиптарите.
AS1923CSKA 2 years ago
А на север пък си имаме едни "дако-римляни" въобще обградени сме от измислени народи с измислени и изпокрадени истории.Само ние не сме започнали да грабим от "героичната антична история"!
AS1923CSKA 2 years ago
@AS1923CSKA ахаххаха о племе диво, вие ни историја ни курац немате. цела историја ви е само ПРЕДАВСТВА. Цела историја лишевте кур на некој. мрш да ви ебам племето,
salence51 9 months ago
@AS1923CSKA абе о слепци едни ако има александар поголема врска со шиптарите од нас ја одма се бесам. шиптарите се појавуваат на овие простори во 11 век таке да све е ова срање. а овој е неписмен таке да нема што да јаде гомна. терорист, израснат во планина, цел живот пасел овци и на крај од европа и америка го пикаат овде да води политика. педерска работа. само македонскиот народ полека се освестува. ке го јадат шиптариве нешколовани. има све да ги дерам да им ебам племето
salence51 9 months ago
kako sto sme trgnale ke se pravime vonzemjanite koi sletale na planetata zemja i go stvorele covestvoto
MrJankov 2 years ago
Ali Ahmed is tipical Monkeydonian name ,and he even dont know what exactly those monkeys are! =)
Tupi,tupi turci i maimuni ste vie,idioti!!!
batfilcho 2 years ago
emiii budali sme ova seki go znae i cel svet ne se smee
sluchainoprelitasht 2 years ago
будали сте че не искате да кажете че сте българи
Sixb0nes1 2 years ago
krusum vsred celo za ahmeti
cajceto 2 years ago
budali e turski zbor
PeonianMK 2 years ago
шта иначе очекујете од ретардираног шиптара...
OhridSRB 2 years ago
хахаха, а Али Ахмети је иначе много словенско име и презиме.... :))) е јадна ли си земљо ко те води !?!
OhridSRB 2 years ago
All ancient sources show 2 nations on ancient Balkans - Thracian and Greeks.
Southern Thracians were very much elinised because they admired the high Greek culture. Especially the Thracian aristrocracy.
Philip the father of Alexander never learned to speak good Greek, and was mocked by Greeks at his time, even being great king. He hired Aristotle to teach Alexander in Greek culture.
For the world Alexander will always be Greek. If Fyroms are smart they will embrace their Thracian/Slav roots
y0gus 2 years ago
Sto pravime ako sletaat nekoi vonzemjani od planeta Makedonija i kazat deka se postari makedonci od vas antickite!
691spartak69 2 years ago
Има и луде кои веруваат во тоа, но тоа не е работа за конференции за печатот, туку за универзитети, а ако не помогнат универзитетите - тогаш за ЛЕКАРИ...
691spartak69 2 years ago
На прес конференција во Атина, српскиот книжевник и политичар Вук Драшкович изйавува: „Йас сум слушал многу, односно не многу, но доста школувани луде од Скопие, кои од некаде веруваат дека Александар Македонски бил Словен и дека е нивен родоначалник.
691spartak69 2 years ago
Tea ne se zainteresirani za razumen kompromis. Preku provociranje na Grcija celta im e oddalechuvanje na FYROMakedonija od NATO i EU, so shto ostanuva..... zaedno so Srbija nadvor od EU.!
691spartak69 2 years ago
A recently published book "Veneti: First Builders of European Community", considered to be one of the most comprehensive works on the early history of Slovenes, presents the Proto-Slavic Veneti as the first known nation of central Europe and the Slovenes as their most direct descendants.
klimentohridski 2 years ago
That beautilful but they had greek names, believed in greek gods, played at olympic games (only greeks could play), used greek alphabet (coins with greek letters)... Finaly slavomacedonians want to f*** greeks but greek history was written by strangers (english, french...) so the enemy are not the greeks who beat each other turks to be free...
hoplitespao 2 years ago
Thanks for sharing your depth of knowledge....
klimentohridski 2 years ago
Another archeological source that provides evidence for the Macedonians is the work of German Toponimist Max Fasmer. Fasmer in his book The Slavs in Greece examines the origins of 334 prehistoric Phoenician toponyms in Epirus and concludes that they are of Slavic origin. Through his studies, Fasmer has discovered that there is a relationship between the ancient Phoenicians and the medieval Slavs. He also clearly emphasizes that that Slavs inhabited Epirus.
klimentohridski 2 years ago
On the subject of language, it would be evident from the text of Arrian, Plutarch, and Curtius Rufus that Alexander's army spoke Macedonian not Greek. Any other interpretation would be intolerably difficult, if not impossible, to accept. The main evidence for ancient Macedonian existing as a separate language comes from a handful of late sources describing events in the train of Alexander the Great, where the Macedonian tongue is mentioned specifically.
klimentohridski 2 years ago
The evidence suggests that Macedonian was distinct from ordinary Attic (ancient Athenian) used as a language of the court and of diplomacy. The handful of surviving genuine Macedonian words - not loan words from Greek - do not show the changes expected from a Greek dialect. (Eugene Borza)
klimentohridski 2 years ago
Modern day Greeks would like to pass off Demostheness castigations of Philip II as political rhetoric, and yet Demosthenes was twice appointed to lead the war effort of Athens against Macedonia.
klimentohridski 2 years ago
He, Demosthenes, said of Philip that, Philip was not Greek, nor related to Greeks but comes from Macedonia where a person could not even buy a decent slave. Soon after his death the people of Athens paid him fitting honours by erecting his statue in bronze, and by decreeing that the eldest member of his family should be maintained in the prytaneum at public expense.
klimentohridski 2 years ago
On the base of his statue was carved his famous inscription: If only your strength had been equal, Demosthenes, to your wisdom Never would Greece have been ruled by a Macedonian Ares. (J.T. Griffith) Greece "ruled" not "united" by a Macedonian Ares. Also, was it not the Greek philosopher Lycurgus who said, "With the death of Chaeronea was buried the freedom of Greece?"
klimentohridski 2 years ago
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This is more evidence that the proto-Slavs originated in Macedonia and according to Grinevich, the language spoken by the Aegean Pelasti is the same as that spoken by the pre-Slavs (p. 175). Grinevich has also stated that the pre-Slavic written language is very close to the Old Slavic written literary language of all Slavs. (Genadij Stanistavlovich Grinevich, World History Department, Russian Physical Society, Moscow, 1994)
klimentohridski 2 years ago
This is more evidence that the proto-Slavs originated in Macedonia and according to Grinevich, the language spoken by the Aegean Pelasti is the same as that spoken by the pre-Slavs (p. 175). Grinevich has also stated that the pre-Slavic written language is very close to the Old Slavic written literary language of all Slavs. (Genadij Stanistavlovich Grinevich, World History Department, Russian Physical Society, Moscow, 1994)
klimentohridski 2 years ago
The fact that some modern authors ascribe Hellenic affinity to the ancient Macedonians should come as no great surprise, given the impact of Johan Gustav Droysen on early nineteenth-century historians where Macedonia is depicted as a natural "unifier" of the Greek city-states.
klimentohridski 2 years ago
The same role was played by Prussia and Savoy in German and Italian unification in the nineteenth century. "On this false analogy the whole of Greek history was now boldly reconstructed as a necessary process of development leading quite naturally to a single goal: unification of the Greek nation under Macedonian leadership". (Werner Jaeger)
klimentohridski 2 years ago
To paraphrase Eugene Borza, it was a dynamic idea in the minds of 19th century German intellectuals and politicians to see something of themselves, of the German State unification, conquests, creativity and culture in the Greeks and Philip as the embodiment of national will and the unifier of Greece.
klimentohridski 2 years ago
In other words, the ancient history written for the modern Greeks by 19th century German scholars was nothing more than a German vision of the Glorious German unification superimposed on the Greek model.
klimentohridski 2 years ago
great video..D.x.D
AlexandarBG88 2 years ago
For on many occasions when I and the other Greeks sent embassies to you begging you to remove from your statutes the law empowering you to get booty from booty, you replied that you would rather remove Aetolia from Aetolia than that law
[Polyvius, 18.4.8]
MACEDONIANbybirth 3 years ago
You sais earlier: "FYROM is not Macedonia". It is very surprising to see you being right about something.
klimentohridski 2 years ago
why are u surprised? i was right in everything i said!
MACEDONIANbybirth 2 years ago
You are actualy wrong about almost everything you said. The only correct thing in your comments is that FYROM is not Macedonia !!
In your case the saying: "being right for the wrong reasons" , applies perfectly.
klimentohridski 2 years ago
i am wrong? u wish, everything i said is well documented and with the appropriate citations, it is u who speaks with no facts at all!
whatever u said i replied with facts not fantasies, u may not like it because it doesn't suit u but that is the truth
MACEDONIANbybirth 2 years ago
"well documented" and "appropriate citations" ????
You got to be kidding me !!!! You should try to sell that to some idiots without any basic knowledge of history, archeology and linguistics, someone like the idiot who speaks in this video. I am sure you can find common understanding with him that wiil be "well documented" and with "appropriate citations" .
klimentohridski 2 years ago
oh really professor? and whai is ur truth? That the Bulgarians of FYROM are macedonians? why don't u share ur knowledge with the rest and show us your proofs? wake up dude! Stay in ur ignorance, it's nice there!
MACEDONIANbybirth 2 years ago
Yes, really. And the knwoledge is everywhere if you are interested for it. Just avoid the crap what demented Oto and unemployed historian Droysen and his followers created for you. Try some of the more modern historians and linguists, the ones that are recognized.
klimentohridski 2 years ago
what Ottom craeted for us? ua fre out od reality dude, Did Otto write the ancient inscriptrions? get real, so why don't u give us facts. get real dude and visit a museum!
MACEDONIANbybirth 2 years ago
otto created your false history. Along with his friend droysen. Maybe you should take a look in your first constitution (or whatever you call it) from 1832.
klimentohridski 2 years ago
quit drugs dude, did Otto write all the ancient inscriptions? did Otto made Alexander say that he was Greek? u are beyond reality! Did Otto spread the ancient Greek language? hahahahaha
MACEDONIANbybirth 2 years ago
and why don't u tell us your real history? and of course the proofs to support it! Otto did not make our history dude, and we did not expect Otto to teach us history, open a book!
MACEDONIANbybirth 2 years ago
"us"? Who is us?
"open a book"? Which book?
klimentohridski 2 years ago
hahaha ya right! tell me, did Otto made the Romasn refer to Macedonians as Greeks? did he also tell the Jews that Macedonians were Greek?
u sure talk a lot but u say nothing! or according to u, the Greeks are mixed and u remained pure? visit a doctor!
MACEDONIANbybirth 2 years ago
And when the book of Daniel was showed to him (Alexander the Great) wherein Daniel declared that one of the Greeks should destroy the empire of the Persians, he supposed that himself was the person intended
Josephus (11.8.5)
MACEDONIANbybirth 3 years ago
wtf so vi e tatko mu na aleksandar bil Makedonec a majkamu ne se znae moze bi bila od nekoj grchki ostrov, a nz od kaj ispadnaa albancive ???? a nz od kaj oni star narod ??? i toa e istorija bilo pominalo ne ja vrakajte istorijata nazat gledajte napred
Cvetancho05 3 years ago
Ali Ahmeti is terrorist from UČK & not historic!
wildboymk 3 years ago
Is that why he is the lider of a governing parti in FYROM in coalicion with DPMNE?
petrich23 3 years ago
@petrich23 europeans push us to take one albanian party with us, that is the party what win from albanians. btw vmro has 60 Representatives and DUI just few. vmro do what it want, DUI is just a mask. bue
salence51 9 months ago
@petrich23 WHAT ??!! Translation PLEASE this is fuckin chikin screch ..
pepimk 5 months ago
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On this occasion, he [Alexander] made a very long speech to the Thessalians and the other Greeks, and when he saw that they encouraged him with shouts to lead them against the Barbarians, he shifted his lance into his left hand, and with his right appealed to the gods, as Callisthenes tells us, praying them, if he was really sprung from Zeus, to defend and strengthen the Greeks.
[Plutarch. Alexander (ed. Bernadotte Perrin) XXXIII]
MACEDONIANbybirth 3 years ago
Skopje never belonged to Macedonia. In the ancient times,it was the capital of DARDANIA. During the Ottoman occupation until 1912 it was the capital of the Villaeti of Kosovo and from 1912 until 1944 it was the capital of the administrative precinct of Vardar. FYROM is not Macedonia!
MACEDONIANbybirth 3 years ago
"The country by the sea which is now called Macedonia... Alexander, the father of Perdiccas, and his forefathers, who were originally Temenidae from Argos" Thucydides 99,3 (Loeb, C F Smith)
"It is your privilege, as one who has been blessed with untrammeled freedom, to consider all Hellas your fatherland, as did the founder of your race". Isocrates, To Philip, 127 (Loeb, G. Norlin)
"Argos is the land of your fathers". Isocrates, To Philip, XII, 32 (Loeb, G. Norlin)
MACEDONIANbybirth 3 years ago
alexander the father of perdiccas wtf!? perdiccas was the first king of Macedonia...How can alexander be his father learn more history gayreek
FuckTheFuckingSchool 3 years ago
that was Alexander I, u uneducated monkey. Alexander the Great was Alexander III. It's u who must open a book cause u manifest ur stupidity1
MACEDONIANbybirth 3 years ago
alexander wasnt a slav, he was greek
but a country can also not have a stupid name like fyrom
the reason why (even educated) people think he was a slav is communist propaganda that told us Czechs and Slovaks we are slavic brothers with turkmens and armenians for 42 years
SlavaSlovanumCZ 3 years ago 2
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zvezdaDenica 3 years ago
This is crazy everybody say that Alexsander is this or that.but who is educated knows that Alexsander the Great is Macedonian Greek and that's that.
NUSRPKINA 3 years ago 5
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boianboev964 3 years ago
FYROM is not Macedonia1
It is Bulgaria!
Macedonia is Greece!
MACEDONIANbybirth 3 years ago 4
you mean Егейска Македония (Μακεδονία ξακουστή) and even ξακουστή was part of Bulgaria for very long time
PifchoBG 3 years ago
MAKEDONIA is a greek name, MAKEDON was a son of Zeus and Greeks have lived there long before u came dude
MACEDONIANbybirth 3 years ago
in your macedonia yes, not vardarska or pirinska macedonia
PifchoBG 3 years ago
yes! greetings bro
MACEDONIANbybirth 3 years ago
yeah but how many latin names you have now in usa what does that mean that us is also latinn ??? listen my friend greek names are all over balkan so as latin names and myslim so ya cant rely on a fucking name my brainwashed greek friend
StreetSoldier82 3 years ago
the only brainwashe is u! do u think it was just this name? all macedonian names were Greek, they had Greek gods, spread the Greek language, took part in the amfiktyonies and the olympic games like all greeks, had the same traditions and every inscription is Greek, what is FYROM's relation? Nothing at all, FYROM is a slavic state that was part of Paeonia and Skopje was the capital of Dradania, so don;t give me history lesson not u!
MACEDONIANbybirth 3 years ago
24 February 1999: In an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, Gyordan Veselinov, FYROMs Ambassador to Canada, admitted, "We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian." He also commented "there is some confusion about the identity of the people of this country."
do u want more?
MACEDONIANbybirth 3 years ago
the Foreign Minister of the FYROM, Slobodan Casule, in an interview to Utrinski Vesnik of Skopje on December 29, 2001, said that he mentioned to the Foreign Minister of Bulgaria, Solomon Pasi, that they belong to the same Slav people.
MACEDONIANbybirth 3 years ago
"But Alexander proving himself to be an Argive, he was judged to be a Greek; so he contended in the furlong race and ran a dead heat for the first place". Herodotus V, 22, 2 (Loeb, A. D. Godley)
FYROM is the reasult of the bulgarian VMRO, a plan which was continued by Tito in 1944 when he reanamed Vardarska to Macedonia to avoid a bulgarian annexion of that land, to weaken Serbia and aslo to ask for land from Greece!
MACEDONIANbybirth 3 years ago
Macedon son of Zeus??? Since when the gods have lived with men?
klimentohridski 3 years ago
since every nation had its own Gods and culture. Macedon was the son of Zeus according to Greek culture.....just like in Egypt, Osiris was the son of Orion....
"And she conceived and bore to Zeus who delights in the thunderbolt two sons, Magnes and Macedon, rejoicing in horses, who dwell round-about Pieria and Olympus", Hesiod, Catalogues of Women and Eoiae 3 (Loeb, H.G. Evelyn-White).
MACEDONIANbybirth 3 years ago
So, Zeus really existed?? Or still exist?? And Macedon also lived (or lives) ???
klimentohridski 3 years ago
so since the macedonian royal house were Greeks from Argos, the name Macedonia is Greek, they spoke Greek,had Greek religion, spread the Greek language and culture, had Greek names, took part in the Olympic games and Amfiktyonies which were only for Greeks, what di u think that they were???
Check the macedonian toponyms, Thessalonik, Mieza, Thermi, Pella, Aiges, Dion, Apollwnia, Neapolis, Amphipolis,all Greek! Alexander was proud for his descent through Achilles and Heracles & those were Greeks
MACEDONIANbybirth 3 years ago
these were parts of Greek civilisatiuon dude! some people say it is myth, others say it is not but it is like codified history, the fact is no matter what, they were parts of the Greek life!
MACEDONIANbybirth 3 years ago
Well, if they did not existed, how can claim that macedonians were greeks because macedon was son of zeus (as you did in one of your comments)?
klimentohridski 3 years ago
first of all i did not say that they did not exist. Secondly i showed that this name is related to Greek culture and civilisation,so how can it be non Greek?and third the macedonian royal house was originally from Argos, Tememidae from Argos!
MACEDONIANbybirth 3 years ago
In this period, sixty-five years before the founding of Rome, Carthage was established by the Tyrian Elissa, by some authors called Dido. About this time also Caranus, a man of royal race, eleventh in descent from Hercules, set out from Argos and seized the kingship of Macedonia. From him Alexander the Great was descended in the seventeenth generation, and could boast that, on his mothers side, he was descended from Achilles, and, on his fathers side, from Hercules."
Velleius Paterculus, Book I
MACEDONIANbybirth 3 years ago
@MACEDONIANbybirth Gayreece = titanic son of a bitch .. i hope you got AIDS !! mother fucker !!! DIE son of a bitch !!
pepimk 5 months ago
@pepimk
poor bastard, what u wish for others, will happen to you!
MACEDONIANbybirth 3 months ago
@MACEDONIANbybirth YOU SUCK MY MACEDONIAN DICK YOU FUCKIN MURON SON OF A BITCH
pepimk 1 month ago
@pepimk
what macedonian dick u tatar? the only macedonian dick u have is the one in your tatarian ass!
MACEDONIANbybirth 1 month ago
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BulgaroM 3 years ago 5
:)...Всички се изредиха да им го казват...То само Александър остана да излезе от гроба и да им каже ,че са ВО ЗАБЛУДА, белким му повярват
zvezdaDenica 3 years ago 7
@zvezdaDenica oooooo татарче ај да ми го пушиш куров ти мене ако? да ви ебам племето татарско пола бугарија е македонија бе неписмен. сисај ми куров, може тогај ке поверуеш дека и ти си македонец.
salence51 9 months ago
@zvezdaDenica rusko lajno ti ke kazes za Makedonija pi4ka ti mater da ti ebe konj majkati na tatkoti na grobot pi4ka ti mater ciganska SMRT cigan UMRI mater da ti ebam SMRT !! ne odi na ulica ke te ubijat !!
pepimk 5 months ago
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Majko Aleksadyr e albanec ! :)
Punkanr 3 years ago
In your dreams!!!
pazgriega 3 years ago
Sorry, I saw afterwards that your dreams are Bulgarian!
pazgriega 3 years ago
Наистина са будали !!!
batuli1 3 years ago 9
@batuli1 пуши ми ташаци
salence51 9 months ago
@batuli1 bugarski cigan ja siluvaj ja majkati i ne jadi lajna pleme cigansko da ti go ebe cela Turcija pi4ka vi mater
pepimk 5 months ago
@pepimk
firomci vi nema spas
pak ke bidete Bugarska provincija
MACEDONIAisBULGARIAN 5 months ago
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pepimk 5 months ago
@MACEDONIAisBULGARIAN KOPELE ZIV LI SI USTE ?? SEGA KE UMRES OD STUD NEMA KADE DA BEGAS
pepimk 1 month ago
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FYROMustafa 1 month ago
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pepimk 1 month ago
@pepimk FYROM = handy-ass so says Mustafa the FEZ
FYROMustafa 1 month ago
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pepimk 1 month ago
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FYROMustafa 1 month ago
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pepimk 1 month ago
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FYROMustafa 1 month ago
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pepimk 1 month ago
@pepimk u monkeys r made to suck GREEK-COCKS
FYROMustafa 1 month ago
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pepimk 1 month ago
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FYROMustafa 1 month ago
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pepimk 1 month ago
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FYROMustafa 1 month ago
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pepimk 1 month ago
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FYROMustafa 1 month ago
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pepimk 1 month ago
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FYROMustafa 1 month ago
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pepimk 1 month ago
@pepimk ела, аз ке ти го лапам куро и ке ти го лижам анусо, с пре голем КЕФ!!! додека постоим ний македонските бугари, македонистката байка никогаж не ке биде препознаена во свето. денешните бугари са траки и трако-македонци (пеонци), словени и пра бугари (тюркизирани ИРАНЦИ). градот охрид се вели така, туку по завоюването му от бугарите во крайо на 9 век. охра от ИРАНСКИ значит златест (преводот на античното лихнида - сяйен), вардар - врвяшта (мошна) река, корча - нож, девол - стена...
toofunkyniki 1 month ago
@toofunkyniki idi pij si lekarstvata !! ti si najgroznia peder videh te na slika idi baraj osteta od majkati i tatko ti hahahaha ti si katastrofa bre !!
pepimk 1 month ago
@pepimk idi pij si lekarstvata !! ti si najgroznia peder videh te na slika idi baraj osteta od majkati i tatko ti hahahaha ti si katastrofa bre !!
toofunkyniki 1 month ago
@pepimk ела, аз ке ти го лапам куро и ке ти го лижам анусо, с пре голем КЕФ!!! додека постоим ний македонските бугари, македонистката байка никогаж не ке биде препознаена во свето. денешните бугари са траки и трако-македонци (пеонци), словени и пра бугари (тюркизирани ИРАНЦИ). градот охрид се вели така, туку по завоюването му от бугарите во крайо на 9 век. охра от ИРАНСКИ значит златест (преводот на античното лихнида - сяйен), вардар - врвяшта (мошна) река, корча - нож, девол - стена...
toofunkyniki 1 month ago
@toofunkyniki konj da ja ebe majkati na tatkoti na grob a ti da gledas od invalidna kolicka plemeto cigansko da ti go ebam umri da ti ebam ciganskata dusa sto ja imas sve da ti izebam sestrati sin da ti rodi picka ti mater guptin dolen
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@pepimk konj da ja ebe majkati na tatkoti na grob a ti da gledas od invalidna kolicka plemeto cigansko da ti go ebam umri da ti ebam ciganskata dusa sto ja imas sve da ti izebam sestrati sin da ti rodi picka ti mater guptin dolen
toofunkyniki 1 month ago
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@pepimk konj da ja ebe majkati na tatkoti na grob a ti da gledas od invalidna kolicka plemeto cigansko da ti go ebam umri da ti ebam ciganskata dusa sto ja imas sve da ti izebam sestrati sin da ti rodi picka ti mater guptin dolen
toofunkyniki 1 month ago