Elizabeth ruled for nearly 45 years, so 4,000 people could easily have been slaughtered within this time span. (About 100 per year? Hardly impossible!)
The sad part is that both girls grew up feeling unloved and unwanted. He wanted a son so bad that he neglected and mistreated Mary. His bastardization of her, his turn away the church, and her mother made her the terrible queen she was. People have to understand what kind of heritage Mary comes from. Her Grandmother and Grandfather were King Fernandid and Queen Isabella of Spain, true Catholic crusaders. She came from a historic line of royal blood yet she was treated second class.
as for the tudors series it is so grossly inaccurate and so appallingly miscast that i refused to watch it after the second season or so.
for example it simply is NOT TRUE that Mary Rose, Henry VIII's sister, murdered her husband the elderly and decrepit king louis XII of france. not only that but i remember they conflated his 2 sisters into one and had margaret the queen of france, when in fact she was queen of scotland.
such slop makes the show unworthy of being watched
i feel so bad for mary tudor as she was demonized by history. though her crimes of killing all those people just for having different beliefs, her back story is quite tragic. (all who say nay to this notion can kill me because i happen to have a soft spot for villains sometimes, if they have good backstories)
Great video! I like both of them, but I've always found Mary the more interesting of the two. I guess it's because I often wonder what she would've been like if she hadn't faced so much adversity in her young life. I think that she would've been a very different (and much more capable) ruler.
I am not certain if Elizabeth really did this, but the scene in which she takes the Body of Christ (the Eucharist) out of her mouth and puts it into a handkerchief is disgusting. She was Protestant, and if Protestants do not believe the bread is the Body of Christ, why should they care if they eat of it? I am Greek Orthodox, and the Eucharist matters much more to us as well as the Catholics. We can never partake of a false Eucharist, but to the Protestants, why should it matter?
@spartacus3ful I still say she did so because she thought it was poisoned. Protestants see communion as sacred too, but to Elizabeth, being a Queens only heir so far and knowing that all the people involved in that Queen's personal counsel see you as the ruining of all they worked hard to establish, it's easy to assume that their poisoning you would be an easy solution to securing their plans for the kingdom.
Why I disagree is that no Roman Catholic would intentionally poison the Eucharist, and because it is the body and blood of Christ, no one could die from partaking of it, anyway.
@spartacus3ful You're only looking at it through religious eyes, not political. So Catholics would not willingly poison the Eucharist....BUT Elizabeth was not Catholic so she wouldn't see their intentions as so innocent when she is the only thing standing in the way of their aspirations for a Catholic England. Killing Elizabeth would have been a quick fix for them as it would leave Mary free to name a Catholic relative as her heir. Of course she would be paranoid of any type of assassination.
@spartacus3ful not saying they tried or even intended to kill Elizabeth, Mary was more merciful to her than Elizabeth was to Mary Queen of Scots, but the young Elizabeth in Mary's reign would have been afraid of that sort of quick and easy assassination.
Mary presented herself like a true lady in terms of her actions and speech. Elizabeth was too masculine and even surly in many instances. To all the "Bloody Mary" fanatics, thousands more Catholics (in Ireland alone) perished gruesomely under Elizabeth than did Protestants (300) under Mary. Moreover, could anyone imagine Elizabeth giving Jane Grey and her co-conspirators a chance to exonerate themselves the way Mary did? Elizabeth would have had them executed on the spot.
@spartacus3ful Elizabeth was TORTURED to execute Mary, Queen of Scots so I don't think the Jane Grey statement there stands. I'm not Catholic and take no religious stance at all when comparing Mary and Elizabeth but I agree, Elizabeth was not kind to Catholics just as Mary was not kind to Protestants, can't we all just agree on that, the sisters had very opposing religious stances, no need to take personal attack at each other for it.
@Darthbelal All monarchs burned/slaughtered/hanged people thats why we got rid of them and that they lived well off from the peoples poverty and misery. Youre taught in school which were supposed heroes and whatnot, even her younger sister, elizabeth, burned an estimated 4000. Its surreal how awful these people were when you read their history. And not the glorified romanticized we see on tv. But its pretty to look at.
@xxkarinaaxx you sure about Elizabeth executing 4 THOUSAND people? That's an average of about 6 people a month set on fire. That would seem a bit excessive to about anyone with the possible exceptions of Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and Nero.
Yes, they had harsh laws back then, and they didn't bathe much. We DO put a glossy sheen on these types.
Elizabeth DID strengthen England though, maybe that's what she's remembered for. Or something, dammit.
@Darthbelal Hey, sorry typo, 400 an estimated four hundred, you should read the "elizabeth's irish wars" or the Desmond rebellions. I know her younger brother edward also had a kill count of an estimated 300, like around 280 something, The oldest sister, mary. was like 276 or 7. Anyway, thats what i can come up with at the top of my head. Though, these are burnings, cuz she also set irish crops and w/e to burn to cause them to starve and submit. Harsh times indeed.
I loathe Elizabeth, love Mary...I think that is because I'm a lot like her, people tend to think I'm stubborn and self serving as well, plus I am a catholic
@pinkmonkey6able Mary thinks Elizabeth wants her dead so she sends her to the Tower. Then, we can see Mary as if she was in labour since she believes she is with child.
@bloodmemories1234 clips from a tv mini-series called The Virgin Queen were taken as well. That looks to be the only other show that clips were taken from.
And although they were good friends I'd have to side with Mary being my favourite Princess of Wales and Queen of England, mostly because she went through so much than Elizabeth did in her prime. Furthermore I think that Henry VIII favoured Edward and Elizabeth more because they were younger.
@ShellzStarz718 I side with Mary too, probably cause i`m spanish and she was half spanish. and i think king henry wasn`s a good influence for any of his children, the three on them turned to be strange in some ways of their characters....
i truthfully have no sympathy for elizabeth. the was the daughter of a whore, and the struggles elizabeth faced could no where near match those of mary
@awecoolper Most are from a BBC mini-series called 'The Virgin Queen' (you can watch it all on youtube) and the shots of Philip of Spain are from the movie 'Elizabeth the Golden Age' the not so good sequel to the film 'Elizabeth' (both are also on youtube)
I think that Elizabeth's reign would not have been as glorious without seeing Mary's mistakes, such as placing so much emphasis on religon. Probaly Mary's experiences with her husband further cemented Elizabeth's desire not to marry.
@ProfessorEdelstein Definitely. She basically saw her sister being at times manipulated by a husband who did not love her. (Although Mary had far too much character to completely give in to his ambitions -which is why he eventually left her) . Then, that same husband (Philip) abandoned her, never to return or see her again, not EVEN as she lay dying. I don't think many people take this into consideration when discussing Elizabeth's motives for never marrying.
@dizzy365 Well that and the fact that her father took part in the execution of a queen or two! lol! What would you say would be the absolute best and most historically correct book(s) that I could read on this time era of English history, Henry VIII thru Elizabeth I reign?
@TheReformed1 For Elizabeth I's reign, i suggest Elizabeth by David Starkey, it is a fantastic read and is chock full of great stuff about Elizabeth I. Also, watch The Virgin Queen starring Ann Marie Duff, you can it on youtube and its pretty accurate with only a few flaws.
@TheReformed1 For Elizabeth I's reign, i suggest Elizabeth by David Starkey, it is a fantastic read and is chock full of great stuff about Elizabeth I. Also, watch The Virgin Queen starring Ann Marie Duff, you can it on youtube and its pretty accurate with only a few flaws.
@ProfessorEdelstein Definitely. She basically saw her sister being at times manipulated by a husband who did not love her. (Although Mary had far too much character to completely give in to his ambitions -which is why he eventually left her) . Then, that same husband (Philip) abandoned her, never to return or see her again, not EVEN as she lay dying. I don't think many people take this into consideration when discussing Elizabeth's motives for never marrying.
@ProfessorEdelstein Definitely. She basically saw her sister being at times manipulated by a husband who did not love her. (Although Mary had far too much character to completely give in to his ambitions -which is why he eventually left her) . Then, that same husband (Philip) abandoned her, never to return or see her again, not EVEN as she lay dying. I don't think many people take this into consideration when discussing Elizabeth's motives for never marrying.
@dizzy365 To be fair it would have been pretty useless for Philip to visit his dying wife, for the amount of time it would take for him to get there, she would be dead already. By the time news reached him that she was sickly, she would also have been dead.
I have always felt sorry for "Bloody" Mary, she had an extremely hard life with constant turmoil and rejection, which IMO pushed her deeper and deeper into religion, her only comfort in those dark times.
This is really a great video, I must say Mary had a horrible childhood, and a horrible adulthood as well, always having to strugle to keep her life, or to not piss off the king!!, everyone has said that Elizebeth had a bad life in a way, I don't believe that at all, Elizebeth barley knew her mother when Anne died, and she was not forced to be a maid to her step brother or any other siblings, Mary was, in my opinon Elizebeth was lucky not understand what happend, mary was not so lucky.
That's kinda impossible. Catherine only had a daughter who died in infancy. She had step children and I don't know what happened to them. the girl is lying and if you don't belive me, go on ancestry.com.
she had no sisters i belive. She only had the daughter who died in infantcy. Her STEP children are no blood relation to her! I'll see if my mom or I can find a family tree. BTW, I know for a fact that I am related to daniel boone, and a commoner in egypt and a person in france.
@princesseklauss the song is Selisona Pi by E.S. Posthumus. i agree it is a very beautiful song produced by a very beautiful band! hope you enjoy, e.s. posthumus is a very good band and very known for it`s classical, but epic sounding songs! :)
@NicolaWriter Fantastic to see someone view Mary AND Elizabeth fairly and not 100% bashing one and praising the other. Both were amazing women, strong in their own ways as well as flawed in their own ways.
Thanks. Queen Mary paved the way for Queen Elizabeth. She opened trade with Russia and Parliament and the navy benefited from her rule. People get so caught up in their mothers and taking sides plus the burnings that they refuse to see that Queen Mary was just as bad ass in her own way. Elizabeth,for her part,was a good ruler,but let's not forget that she also had excellent PR to aid her. In the end,both made history and one isn't better than the other.
@NicolaWriter You're right, she absolutely paved the way for Elizabeth. I read in Mary Tudor, Princess Bastard Queen that it's likely she wasn't aware of how bad the burnings had gotten and her role in them not as big as stereotype would make people believe. Her rule interests me far more than Elizabeths because, like you said, E's is so overly raved about. It's sadly so easy for people to accept stereotypes that they miss out on the real complexities of Mary, she was one fascinating figure.
I agree. Queen Mary had her faults but she was just as badass as Queen Elizabeth. All that she endured and she still became Queen. I think when history speaks of powerful women,there is a tendency to tear them down somehow. Queen Mary wasn't as bad as she is made out to be. People forget that she could have had Elizabeth killed at any time and did NOT have to leave her the throne.
@NicolaWriter Mary was totally bad ass, especially how she raised her own army to win her throne! I loved reading about that. Very, very good point too, if she was so tyrannical and evil she would have executed Elizabeth in a snap. She wasn't fond of Elizabeth by any means, she was fiercely suspicious of her after the Wyatt Rebellion, but after some guidance she not only released her from house arrest, but invited her back to court. Much more more merciful than E was to Mary Queen of Scots.
@NicolaWriter Just a point of clarification: They didn't have differing religions. All the Tudors were Christian. After Henry VIII some would continue to identify as Catholic, others as Protestant. Still, all Christian.
Well, you seem to be citing semantic differences here. Protestants cannot receive Communion in either the Catholic or Orthodox churches because they do not see the bread and wine as the body and blood of Christ. In fact, the Orthodox do not even permit the Catholics to take their Communion. And while Catholic and Protestant clergy will co-officiate a marriage ceremony, the Orthodox will not do it with either, and all weddings must take place in an Orthodox church.
@LittlePatch8 but if christianity is in fact true what make a person christian is different from mere doctrinal confession (ie the real fact ofbeing born again). and this is rare, as Jesus said strait is the gate and narrow the way and FEW there are who find it
christians in the biblical sense were are rare than as they ever were.
the heresy of established religion is that it makes many people think themselves believers when they are not
Mary did not behead Jane first time the rebellion was,however when Janes family tryed to stage a rebellion agen Mary had to do it to protect herself,Jane Gray might bge a puppet only but in thise times as Jane was involved inj this she was a treath
I am Greek Orthodox, and we too venerate the Eucharist as the body of Christ. The most disgusting thing that Elizabeth did was to spit the body of our Lord out of her mouth after receiving Him in church during the reign of Mary. If Protestants truly do not regard the Eucharist as the body of Christ, then why react in such a manner, for to them, it is nothing? From our perspective, it is far more unacceptable for someone who does not believe to partake. She was simply being petty and stupid.
But except for certain very high Anglicans and Lutherans, Protestants do not view it as the true body of Christ, merely a symbol. To be sure, the religious leanings of Elizabeth could never be pinpointed. Her brother Edward, a true evangelical, did not see her as Protestant enough, one of the reasons why he disinherited her as he did Mary. She opposed married clergy, but that was probably due to her overall negative view toward marriage.
@ligreekguy MANY religious people have used religion in less than holy ways and even do so today as well. Just because one is religious does not make them perfect and people (especially back then) could easily clear their conscience with "I do this for God"
Truth be told, I never read or considered the poisoning angle. It can be said that Elizabeth was not so distrustful of Mary or Philip as she was of Simon Renard, the Imperial ambassador, who repeatedly called for a stern punishment. I also wish to thank you for being cordial toward me in this debate, as some of my previous encounters with detractors of Mary have been nasty!
@ligreekguy No problem, I can't stand seeing the way people debate sometimes; it is possible to state ones opinion while still being civil; sorry you've had negative backlash for just stating your opinion. Best wishes =)
I find it so interesting that cinematic depictionsl of both Mary and her mother are always as dark haired Spaniards--when they were both strawberry blonde/red headed women. All portraits of them have them with fair hair and skin, not Moorish in complexion as they always do on screen.
um what? elizabeth was neglected ever since she was 3...
she was finally remembered in her father's later years because of parr.
at least mary knew her parents love until she was a teenager. not something you can say for Elizabeth... who had to fight against death threats ever since she was 14.
at least no one openly persecuted mary and wanted her head...
Joanne Whalley is so beautiful..she was an awesome Mary from the Virgin Queen :). But no one tops Daphne Slater in the 1970's "Elizabeth" I swear to God that woman looks like she actually stepped out a tudor painting.
I agree 100%! Daphne Slater looked so much like Mary. I liked Joanne Whalley's performance, even if it didn't really portray Mary in the most favorable light. I liked the anger and bitterness that she showed because I would imagine that after everything Mary went through, she would have been at least a little bitter.
@gapeachjessica It would be hard to argue against her bitterness! If she hadn't been so hardcore Catholic, she might have attempted suicide!
Joanne did capture Mary's bitterness and the scene where she dies while in "childbirth" is superbly done. Joanne was about 43 when she played that part, which was actually older than Mary was when she became queen (38 or so)
Everyone in Elizabeth R looks exactly like their character- its actually kind of scary. If Glenda's eyes had been darker..oooh.
Alas, poor Mary: chastised by history, persecuted by her father, forsaken by her siblings, abandoned by her husband, rejected by her country, yet comforted by God and her dearest mother, Queen Catherine. RIP
i kind of feel bad for mary but i have to point out...
not her fault her father is a bastard
she distanced herself from her siblings though it was inevitable.
she choose that man even though everyone was against it.
her country rejected her when she married a man they did not want and practically turned England into a Spanish colony, then introduced the inquisition and started burning people left and right. as well as declaring wives of clergy whores and their sons bastard
May I respectfully respond to each of these? Agreed, Henry was a bastard. She actually made every attempt, especially in their earlier years, to be a mother to Elizabeth and Edward, only it was they who were less interested in promoting a familial existence. Philip was no prize, but remember, Mary was setting a precedent as the first reigning Queen of England. No one knew how to regard Philip, or what titles to give him. (Read more below).
about her sibling's relationship, I'm fully aware that it was not her fault. it was not the children's fault either though. she had a 17 year difference with the elder of the two and was raised in a different manner/religion. take also into account that they were all step siblings and the relationships their mothers had (+ that she was the only one big enough to remember..) and you see how their relationship was bound to be strained. (more below)
the thing about Philip was, that she chose him, insisted upon him when even the whole country went in revolt against the idea and married him. yes she was alone at the time and was influenced by her Spanish relatives but its still doesn't take off the fact that she married him against the council's and the people's wish.
the only reason he was not king regent was because the parliament adamantly refused it. there are many cases of her rows with them on the subject.
Well, many Marian historians have said otherwise. Like many religious career women of today, Mary was torn between obligatory devotion to her female duties (including honoring her husband) and her humanly natural desire for power. These scholars claim that she insisted on sole possession of both power and title, and the only concession she made, of course, was to relinquish her status as head of the English church.
they do? when was this brought up? last time i checked there was all the times she went against parliament when they refused to crown Phillip regent.
although yes she did think of herself as queen as opposed to just a wife, I'm not saying she was useless here, just saying she isn't the innocent victim people are trying to paint her nowadays. it's like an overcompensation. they feel bad for calling her bloody Mary all this time they want to show how much they mature by doing this.
Without the title of King, Philip really had no power in England, and in fact, Mary got the better part of the deal. She DID assume the title of Queen (Consort) of Spain as well as Empress (Consort) of the Hapsburg dominions and colonies. Mary always detested France, and did not have to be cajoled by Philip into joining the war against it. In effect, England was not a Spanish colony, and Philip often complained about being marginalized during his entire time there. (Read on).
he might have had no official power, but he had her under control. she made that clear in a lot of instances. executing jane grey was for him, and the wars were for him too, she might have hated the french but she would not have warred them if he didn't want to.
and while she took all those Spanish titles, she didn't do anything with them, at least i haven't heard of anything (honestly didn't even know that fact.)
fact is if she had her way, he would have been king regent...
Hmmm, and Elizabeth did not kowtow quite a bit to Leicester, Walsingham, even Devereux? As for Jane Grey, two rebellions staged on her behalf within a year? How many chances should Mary have given? Granted, Jane was cajoled into the title of Queen by her parents, though once she got to that point, she seemed to enjoy the role. Remember, teenagers then were far more mature than the 20 and even early 30 somethings of today. And Henry did not cause havoc for the sake of Anne Boleyn?
first off, you listed three. let me add Cecil Jr. and sr. to the bunch. It's normal for her to do what they say, even if its against her wishes and especially if they all agree on it...those guys were all her advisers. that was their job. even then though, the final say was hers. she listened when she truly believed their was no other solution.
Mary made it clear she didn't want Jane executed, she only did in the end because Charles refused to send his son over until she did.
Elizabeth had Mary queen of the scots...she was a bigger threat to Elizabeth than Jane would have ever been to Mary. she was in direct line of power and the people of England never rejected her. and yet she was kept alive for 19 years, and then only when conclusive proof was shown that she was directly involved in these plots. Jane was beheaded because she was used as a figurehead not because she did anything.
henry is henry, god knows that guy did horrible things in his time. don't see why you try grouping him with Elizabeth...
Henry caused havoc for many things, and most of it wasn't for Anne Boleyn per se. she was the catalyst true, but he would have done all this regardless for his ego/son.
Finally, there is NO justification for the burning of Protestants during her reign, but Mary still pales in comparison to the murders of both Catholics and Protestants during the reign of Henry, as well as Catholics during the reign of Elizabeth. Why are these always overlooked, especially for Elizabeth? These people were monarchs, not saints.
the Catholics that died in Elizabeth's reign are overlooked because they didn't just die for their beliefs, but because they committed treason and revolted against her.
as such they were not just persecuted for their religion but punished for their crime. not the case for Mary which is why people still shudder at it. burning a pregnant lady while she was giving birth just because of her beliefs being different is horrifying.
Henry, ah what to say, that guy got away with murder
Really? Women and children in Ireland and the northern English countryside (where Catholicism was at its strongest) were dangerous traitors? Nearly half the murdered victims were women and children. As for the Protestants under Mary, people like Cranmer and Latimer and Ridley were definitely dangerous plotters. Elizabethan apologists blame the massacres on Elizabeth's male advisors. Really? So Elizabeth was a capable Queen AND an innocent female manipulated by men at the same time?
I like how you mention Elizabeth's 'victims' as the common folk, and talk only about the higher ups for Mary... see what you did there lol
both queens share something that all monarchs at one point had in common. they ordered people killed regardless of sex, age, and religion.
the difference here is the reason. Mary did it solely because those people did not believe what she believed. Elizabeth did it because those people committed treason and staged a rebellion against her.
the retaliation there was terrible i don't say its not. but it was done as a lesson, to deter future uprisings. one that payed off and stopped it, thus probably saving more lives in the long run. this was at the later half of Elizabeth's reign if memory serves, she endured a lot more plotting against her, then Mary had time to experience before finally lashing out.
I don't apologize for Elizabeth. she did what she had to do as the reigning queen of a country going through all the turbulence it had. she was a very shrewd and capable person and shown it multiple times and like all wise people, she realized that her view on matters might not suffice and surrounded herself with a small group of advisers. oh they might have each had an agenda, but at the end of the day she was the queen who decided what course to do. make no mistake about that.
Cool videos. I love The Tudors. How many episodes total? Because with us in Poland is just beginning the second season?
Bien hecha película. Me gusta todo lo que se incluye con la dinastía de los Tudor. Ellos grabaron un montón de grandes películas sobre ellos. Pero esta serie es la mejor. Vamos, mi favorita es Elizabeth I y The Golden Age Y también The Other Boleyn Girl.:)
all of henry the 8 royal children mary,elizabeth and edward had inherited his red hair and fair skin. i hate to see the misrepresentation of mary especially having black hair even catherine of aragon did not have dark hair she had auburn hair with blue eyes common features from aragon where she was raised. after 5 centuries this stereotype of spainards having only dark features hasn't faded.
While Elizabeth may not have any personal memories of her mother becuase of her young age at the time of Anne's death, I still believe she had a love for her. When she became queen she always wore a miniature of her mother in either a ring or broach and appointed members of the Boleyn side of the family to well esteemed positions. I think because of a fear and respect for her father she never mentioned Anne at court.
Marys mother was divorced and mary was angry at her father for sometime AND was strongly catholic becouse of her mother, but elizbeth almost forgot her mother aNN,,elizabeth was only 3 when ann boylen died.but she did get upset at her father for calling her a bastard
SO BUY THE TIME SHE BECOMES QUEEN SHE HARDLY REMBERS HER mother BUT SHE DID CARRY A PORTRAIT OF HER MOTHER WHEN SHE WAS IN HER OLD AGE 1590-1603
In my opinon Henry murdered Katharine. He may not have beheaded her but he neglected her and forced her to live in damp cold conditions. This probably brought on the cancer that killed her.
Jane died of an infection after the birth of Edward. Puerperal fever, it's called. Also, Edward wasn't cut from the womb, like most stories say.
I do, however, think that Henry as well as condemned Katherine of Aragon to death when he ripped his love from her. They were so devout in their love, too, in the early years. I don't like how she's always portrayed as his senior by like twenty years though, when it was only five.
Katherine of Aragon was known to be beautiful with fair skin and red gold hair so i keep getting upset how they keep making her look...dark and really old
Actually she had dark spanish hair, which henry was most attracted to. They make her look older because this is when she was older, like in her late 30's. When she was 25 she was a spanish beauty and henry loved her for it. But she grew old
Katherine didn't have "dark Spanish hair" she was a redhead with blue eyes and pale skin. It was dark red but only a dark auburn. Not all Spanish people have dark hair, dark eyes, and dark skin. Besides the fact Katherine was more English than she was Spanish as was her mother.
Elizabeth ruled for nearly 45 years, so 4,000 people could easily have been slaughtered within this time span. (About 100 per year? Hardly impossible!)
telamon2011 1 week ago
The sad part is that both girls grew up feeling unloved and unwanted. He wanted a son so bad that he neglected and mistreated Mary. His bastardization of her, his turn away the church, and her mother made her the terrible queen she was. People have to understand what kind of heritage Mary comes from. Her Grandmother and Grandfather were King Fernandid and Queen Isabella of Spain, true Catholic crusaders. She came from a historic line of royal blood yet she was treated second class.
2013LPN 1 month ago
Elizabeth and Anne Boleyn <3
IsabelMelissa1990 1 month ago 2
whats name theme song ?
looklaokarasin 1 month ago
as for the tudors series it is so grossly inaccurate and so appallingly miscast that i refused to watch it after the second season or so.
for example it simply is NOT TRUE that Mary Rose, Henry VIII's sister, murdered her husband the elderly and decrepit king louis XII of france. not only that but i remember they conflated his 2 sisters into one and had margaret the queen of france, when in fact she was queen of scotland.
such slop makes the show unworthy of being watched
Strefanasha 2 months ago
i feel so bad for mary tudor as she was demonized by history. though her crimes of killing all those people just for having different beliefs, her back story is quite tragic. (all who say nay to this notion can kill me because i happen to have a soft spot for villains sometimes, if they have good backstories)
Lalalandgirl235 2 months ago
I wish the Tudors show had continue on Edward and Mary's reign
flash2ade 3 months ago 14
whats the name of the backround song?
HQNEY 3 months ago
Great video! I like both of them, but I've always found Mary the more interesting of the two. I guess it's because I often wonder what she would've been like if she hadn't faced so much adversity in her young life. I think that she would've been a very different (and much more capable) ruler.
bloodncorsets 3 months ago
a fitting tribute for two whom so much conspired and succeedd in tearing family apart in the ends they both lost
Zebppir 3 months ago
Is There A Movie From This Video?
LovesDivine19 4 months ago
Beautiful!
lovelystrings 4 months ago
What is the music playing?
caramelover828 5 months ago
I am not certain if Elizabeth really did this, but the scene in which she takes the Body of Christ (the Eucharist) out of her mouth and puts it into a handkerchief is disgusting. She was Protestant, and if Protestants do not believe the bread is the Body of Christ, why should they care if they eat of it? I am Greek Orthodox, and the Eucharist matters much more to us as well as the Catholics. We can never partake of a false Eucharist, but to the Protestants, why should it matter?
spartacus3ful 5 months ago
@spartacus3ful I still say she did so because she thought it was poisoned. Protestants see communion as sacred too, but to Elizabeth, being a Queens only heir so far and knowing that all the people involved in that Queen's personal counsel see you as the ruining of all they worked hard to establish, it's easy to assume that their poisoning you would be an easy solution to securing their plans for the kingdom.
EnglishRose719 4 months ago
@EnglishRose719
Why I disagree is that no Roman Catholic would intentionally poison the Eucharist, and because it is the body and blood of Christ, no one could die from partaking of it, anyway.
spartacus3ful 4 months ago
@spartacus3ful You're only looking at it through religious eyes, not political. So Catholics would not willingly poison the Eucharist....BUT Elizabeth was not Catholic so she wouldn't see their intentions as so innocent when she is the only thing standing in the way of their aspirations for a Catholic England. Killing Elizabeth would have been a quick fix for them as it would leave Mary free to name a Catholic relative as her heir. Of course she would be paranoid of any type of assassination.
EnglishRose719 4 months ago
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EnglishRose719 4 months ago
@spartacus3ful not saying they tried or even intended to kill Elizabeth, Mary was more merciful to her than Elizabeth was to Mary Queen of Scots, but the young Elizabeth in Mary's reign would have been afraid of that sort of quick and easy assassination.
EnglishRose719 4 months ago
i love mary tudor....
LeN0Re18 5 months ago 18
@LeN0Re18
Mary presented herself like a true lady in terms of her actions and speech. Elizabeth was too masculine and even surly in many instances. To all the "Bloody Mary" fanatics, thousands more Catholics (in Ireland alone) perished gruesomely under Elizabeth than did Protestants (300) under Mary. Moreover, could anyone imagine Elizabeth giving Jane Grey and her co-conspirators a chance to exonerate themselves the way Mary did? Elizabeth would have had them executed on the spot.
spartacus3ful 5 months ago
@spartacus3ful Elizabeth was TORTURED to execute Mary, Queen of Scots so I don't think the Jane Grey statement there stands. I'm not Catholic and take no religious stance at all when comparing Mary and Elizabeth but I agree, Elizabeth was not kind to Catholics just as Mary was not kind to Protestants, can't we all just agree on that, the sisters had very opposing religious stances, no need to take personal attack at each other for it.
EnglishRose719 4 months ago
@LeN0Re18 I don't, she had a nasty habit of setting those who disagreed with her on fire. EVERYBODY in England at the time was afraid of her....
Darthbelal 1 month ago
@Darthbelal All monarchs burned/slaughtered/hanged people thats why we got rid of them and that they lived well off from the peoples poverty and misery. Youre taught in school which were supposed heroes and whatnot, even her younger sister, elizabeth, burned an estimated 4000. Its surreal how awful these people were when you read their history. And not the glorified romanticized we see on tv. But its pretty to look at.
xxkarinaaxx 4 weeks ago
@xxkarinaaxx you sure about Elizabeth executing 4 THOUSAND people? That's an average of about 6 people a month set on fire. That would seem a bit excessive to about anyone with the possible exceptions of Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and Nero.
Yes, they had harsh laws back then, and they didn't bathe much. We DO put a glossy sheen on these types.
Elizabeth DID strengthen England though, maybe that's what she's remembered for. Or something, dammit.
Darthbelal 4 weeks ago
@Darthbelal Hey, sorry typo, 400 an estimated four hundred, you should read the "elizabeth's irish wars" or the Desmond rebellions. I know her younger brother edward also had a kill count of an estimated 300, like around 280 something, The oldest sister, mary. was like 276 or 7. Anyway, thats what i can come up with at the top of my head. Though, these are burnings, cuz she also set irish crops and w/e to burn to cause them to starve and submit. Harsh times indeed.
xxkarinaaxx 4 weeks ago
OK some of these clips are from the TV series The Tudors but what shows/movies are the other clips from? Please help.
Laz24 6 months ago
@Laz24 The Virgin Queen
annemolly57 6 months ago
I loathe Elizabeth, love Mary...I think that is because I'm a lot like her, people tend to think I'm stubborn and self serving as well, plus I am a catholic
AnnieTheModernMovie 7 months ago
what's happening between 2:08-2:17?
pinkmonkey6able 7 months ago
@pinkmonkey6able Mary thinks Elizabeth wants her dead so she sends her to the Tower. Then, we can see Mary as if she was in labour since she believes she is with child.
MarinaMaxwellYuy 6 months ago
@MarinaMaxwellYuy
Oh thank you verry much
pinkmonkey6able 5 months ago
@pinkmonkey6able you're welcome
MarinaMaxwellYuy 5 months ago
What movies do you get these clips from?? Other the tudors??
bloodmemories1234 8 months ago
@bloodmemories1234 clips from a tv mini-series called The Virgin Queen were taken as well. That looks to be the only other show that clips were taken from.
crickiechickie 8 months ago
And although they were good friends I'd have to side with Mary being my favourite Princess of Wales and Queen of England, mostly because she went through so much than Elizabeth did in her prime. Furthermore I think that Henry VIII favoured Edward and Elizabeth more because they were younger.
ShellzStarz718 9 months ago
@ShellzStarz718
Well said!
telamon2011 8 months ago
@ShellzStarz718 I side with Mary too, probably cause i`m spanish and she was half spanish. and i think king henry wasn`s a good influence for any of his children, the three on them turned to be strange in some ways of their characters....
sallybelacquaevans85 6 months ago
Mary and Elizabeth were good friends... alas the ties of religion drove then apart.
ShellzStarz718 9 months ago
Can anyone tell me what song this is?
xxMasscure4lifexx 9 months ago
Everybody watch out for Joanne Whalley as Vanozza, mistress of Pope Alexander VI in the new Showtime series "The Borgias" premiering tonight!
HistoryLover1550 9 months ago
I love this video! I even have the song on my Ipod!
HistoryLover1550 9 months ago
@HistoryLover1550 what is the name of this song and who did it? i'd like to put it on my ipod too
jennywc 9 months ago
@jennywc Selisona pi by E.S. Posthumus.
HistoryLover1550 9 months ago
i truthfully have no sympathy for elizabeth. the was the daughter of a whore, and the struggles elizabeth faced could no where near match those of mary
CircusZoneTV 10 months ago
@CircusZoneTV
Yes, but the daughter of a whore have nothing to do with it you cant choose your mother.
sugercube99 9 months ago
I love this music too. Let us know the name?
oceanpoem219 10 months ago
What movies are the clips in here from? I know the Tudor ones but I don't recognize the others.
awecoolper 11 months ago
@awecoolper Most are from a BBC mini-series called 'The Virgin Queen' (you can watch it all on youtube) and the shots of Philip of Spain are from the movie 'Elizabeth the Golden Age' the not so good sequel to the film 'Elizabeth' (both are also on youtube)
tribetng 10 months ago
great video. what's the name of the song you used?
melsoar 1 year ago 2
@melsoar yes I also want to know tha name of the song
SaberXcali 1 year ago 2
I think that Elizabeth's reign would not have been as glorious without seeing Mary's mistakes, such as placing so much emphasis on religon. Probaly Mary's experiences with her husband further cemented Elizabeth's desire not to marry.
ProfessorEdelstein 1 year ago
@ProfessorEdelstein Definitely. She basically saw her sister being at times manipulated by a husband who did not love her. (Although Mary had far too much character to completely give in to his ambitions -which is why he eventually left her) . Then, that same husband (Philip) abandoned her, never to return or see her again, not EVEN as she lay dying. I don't think many people take this into consideration when discussing Elizabeth's motives for never marrying.
dizzy365 1 year ago
@dizzy365 Well that and the fact that her father took part in the execution of a queen or two! lol! What would you say would be the absolute best and most historically correct book(s) that I could read on this time era of English history, Henry VIII thru Elizabeth I reign?
TheReformed1 1 year ago
@TheReformed1 For Elizabeth I's reign, i suggest Elizabeth by David Starkey, it is a fantastic read and is chock full of great stuff about Elizabeth I. Also, watch The Virgin Queen starring Ann Marie Duff, you can it on youtube and its pretty accurate with only a few flaws.
ProfessorEdelstein 11 months ago
@TheReformed1 For Elizabeth I's reign, i suggest Elizabeth by David Starkey, it is a fantastic read and is chock full of great stuff about Elizabeth I. Also, watch The Virgin Queen starring Ann Marie Duff, you can it on youtube and its pretty accurate with only a few flaws.
ProfessorEdelstein 11 months ago
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@ProfessorEdelstein Definitely. She basically saw her sister being at times manipulated by a husband who did not love her. (Although Mary had far too much character to completely give in to his ambitions -which is why he eventually left her) . Then, that same husband (Philip) abandoned her, never to return or see her again, not EVEN as she lay dying. I don't think many people take this into consideration when discussing Elizabeth's motives for never marrying.
dizzy365 1 year ago
@ProfessorEdelstein Definitely. She basically saw her sister being at times manipulated by a husband who did not love her. (Although Mary had far too much character to completely give in to his ambitions -which is why he eventually left her) . Then, that same husband (Philip) abandoned her, never to return or see her again, not EVEN as she lay dying. I don't think many people take this into consideration when discussing Elizabeth's motives for never marrying.
dizzy365 1 year ago
@dizzy365 To be fair it would have been pretty useless for Philip to visit his dying wife, for the amount of time it would take for him to get there, she would be dead already. By the time news reached him that she was sickly, she would also have been dead.
I have always felt sorry for "Bloody" Mary, she had an extremely hard life with constant turmoil and rejection, which IMO pushed her deeper and deeper into religion, her only comfort in those dark times.
ProfessorEdelstein 1 year ago
@ProfessorEdelstein Perfectly said, that's exactly how I view her too.
EnglishRose719 11 months ago
This is really a great video, I must say Mary had a horrible childhood, and a horrible adulthood as well, always having to strugle to keep her life, or to not piss off the king!!, everyone has said that Elizebeth had a bad life in a way, I don't believe that at all, Elizebeth barley knew her mother when Anne died, and she was not forced to be a maid to her step brother or any other siblings, Mary was, in my opinon Elizebeth was lucky not understand what happend, mary was not so lucky.
Hattaru 1 year ago
theres a gilr in my class related to catherine parr
takahashiwongwong 1 year ago
@takahashiwongwong
That's kinda impossible. Catherine only had a daughter who died in infancy. She had step children and I don't know what happened to them. the girl is lying and if you don't belive me, go on ancestry.com.
spunkygen49 1 year ago
@spunkygen49 her name is madiosn parr she must of had it from a pervious marriage or one of her sisters brothers etc
takahashiwongwong 1 year ago
@takahashiwongwong
she had no sisters i belive. She only had the daughter who died in infantcy. Her STEP children are no blood relation to her! I'll see if my mom or I can find a family tree. BTW, I know for a fact that I am related to daniel boone, and a commoner in egypt and a person in france.
spunkygen49 1 year ago
the song please ..its beautiful
princesseklauss 1 year ago
@princesseklauss the song is Selisona Pi by E.S. Posthumus. i agree it is a very beautiful song produced by a very beautiful band! hope you enjoy, e.s. posthumus is a very good band and very known for it`s classical, but epic sounding songs! :)
KardashianVideos 3 months ago
where are the clips of the older elizabeth and mary taken from?
HPAbby 1 year ago
Did Elizabeth spit out the host? Wow now I do hate her.
CorieFaulkner 1 year ago
@CorieFaulkner She most likely did so because she thought it was poisoned.
EnglishRose719 1 year ago
It's so sad that their parents history,differing religions,and the struggle for a throne destroyed their relationships.
Queen Mary was a tortured women because of it. Queen Elizabeth,for all her strength,was equally messed up.
Terrific vid and song.
NicolaWriter 1 year ago 27
@NicolaWriter Fantastic to see someone view Mary AND Elizabeth fairly and not 100% bashing one and praising the other. Both were amazing women, strong in their own ways as well as flawed in their own ways.
EnglishRose719 4 months ago
@EnglishRose719
Thanks. Queen Mary paved the way for Queen Elizabeth. She opened trade with Russia and Parliament and the navy benefited from her rule. People get so caught up in their mothers and taking sides plus the burnings that they refuse to see that Queen Mary was just as bad ass in her own way. Elizabeth,for her part,was a good ruler,but let's not forget that she also had excellent PR to aid her. In the end,both made history and one isn't better than the other.
NicolaWriter 4 months ago
@NicolaWriter You're right, she absolutely paved the way for Elizabeth. I read in Mary Tudor, Princess Bastard Queen that it's likely she wasn't aware of how bad the burnings had gotten and her role in them not as big as stereotype would make people believe. Her rule interests me far more than Elizabeths because, like you said, E's is so overly raved about. It's sadly so easy for people to accept stereotypes that they miss out on the real complexities of Mary, she was one fascinating figure.
EnglishRose719 4 months ago
@EnglishRose719
I agree. Queen Mary had her faults but she was just as badass as Queen Elizabeth. All that she endured and she still became Queen. I think when history speaks of powerful women,there is a tendency to tear them down somehow. Queen Mary wasn't as bad as she is made out to be. People forget that she could have had Elizabeth killed at any time and did NOT have to leave her the throne.
NicolaWriter 4 months ago
@NicolaWriter Mary was totally bad ass, especially how she raised her own army to win her throne! I loved reading about that. Very, very good point too, if she was so tyrannical and evil she would have executed Elizabeth in a snap. She wasn't fond of Elizabeth by any means, she was fiercely suspicious of her after the Wyatt Rebellion, but after some guidance she not only released her from house arrest, but invited her back to court. Much more more merciful than E was to Mary Queen of Scots.
EnglishRose719 4 months ago
@NicolaWriter Just a point of clarification: They didn't have differing religions. All the Tudors were Christian. After Henry VIII some would continue to identify as Catholic, others as Protestant. Still, all Christian.
LittlePatch8 4 months ago
@LittlePatch8 Differing religious points of view- certainly! Although Anglicans still have this today. ;)
LittlePatch8 4 months ago
@LittlePatch8
True. I guess I should've said they viewed the subject of religion and its interpretation differently.
NicolaWriter 4 months ago
@LittlePatch8
Well, you seem to be citing semantic differences here. Protestants cannot receive Communion in either the Catholic or Orthodox churches because they do not see the bread and wine as the body and blood of Christ. In fact, the Orthodox do not even permit the Catholics to take their Communion. And while Catholic and Protestant clergy will co-officiate a marriage ceremony, the Orthodox will not do it with either, and all weddings must take place in an Orthodox church.
spartacus3ful 2 months ago
@LittlePatch8 but if christianity is in fact true what make a person christian is different from mere doctrinal confession (ie the real fact ofbeing born again). and this is rare, as Jesus said strait is the gate and narrow the way and FEW there are who find it
christians in the biblical sense were are rare than as they ever were.
the heresy of established religion is that it makes many people think themselves believers when they are not
Strefanasha 2 months ago
Mary did not behead Jane first time the rebellion was,however when Janes family tryed to stage a rebellion agen Mary had to do it to protect herself,Jane Gray might bge a puppet only but in thise times as Jane was involved inj this she was a treath
Flohaug81 1 year ago
so in the end, was Elizabeth I pretty or not?
1972jewish 1 year ago
@1972jewish not in the end lol she lived in the days of no dental hygene or anthing. but as a young girl she was supposedly beautiful
xobanonox 1 year ago
please what movie is that?
princesseklauss 1 year ago
@princesseklauss It's The Virgin Queen with Anne Marie Duff
EnglishRose719 1 year ago
no me canso de verlo..que buen video....
astrofabio68 1 year ago
I love this video and music. Yet what is the name of this music?
AresZeus500 1 year ago
is the actress playing Queen Mary Tudor the same one who played Scarlett O'Hara?
Snezhinka9 1 year ago
@Snezhinka9 lol no
3tcost3 1 year ago
Great job. I really like the music
FrauKaulitz1 1 year ago
What is the name of this song? Extremely amazing video!
RavenclawAnime 1 year ago
i heard this from a book though i found it outside in the dirt but it was horrible!
Avril33141 1 year ago
the music is wonderful and the video too!
VaneHudgensFan 1 year ago
I am Greek Orthodox, and we too venerate the Eucharist as the body of Christ. The most disgusting thing that Elizabeth did was to spit the body of our Lord out of her mouth after receiving Him in church during the reign of Mary. If Protestants truly do not regard the Eucharist as the body of Christ, then why react in such a manner, for to them, it is nothing? From our perspective, it is far more unacceptable for someone who does not believe to partake. She was simply being petty and stupid.
ligreekguy 1 year ago
@ligreekguy She spit it out because she was afraid of it being poisoned. Both Catholics and Protestants honor the Eucharaist/Communion
EnglishRose719 1 year ago
@EnglishRose719
But except for certain very high Anglicans and Lutherans, Protestants do not view it as the true body of Christ, merely a symbol. To be sure, the religious leanings of Elizabeth could never be pinpointed. Her brother Edward, a true evangelical, did not see her as Protestant enough, one of the reasons why he disinherited her as he did Mary. She opposed married clergy, but that was probably due to her overall negative view toward marriage.
ligreekguy 1 year ago
@ligreekguy But that doesn't mean that they don't honor it as a sacred gift and as the most deeply intense way to honor Christ.
EnglishRose719 1 year ago
@EnglishRose719
But why would Mary or any of the Catholic officials deliberately poison the body of Christ? To them, that would be the most mortal of sins.
ligreekguy 1 year ago
@ligreekguy MANY religious people have used religion in less than holy ways and even do so today as well. Just because one is religious does not make them perfect and people (especially back then) could easily clear their conscience with "I do this for God"
EnglishRose719 1 year ago
@EnglishRose719
Truth be told, I never read or considered the poisoning angle. It can be said that Elizabeth was not so distrustful of Mary or Philip as she was of Simon Renard, the Imperial ambassador, who repeatedly called for a stern punishment. I also wish to thank you for being cordial toward me in this debate, as some of my previous encounters with detractors of Mary have been nasty!
ligreekguy 1 year ago
@ligreekguy No problem, I can't stand seeing the way people debate sometimes; it is possible to state ones opinion while still being civil; sorry you've had negative backlash for just stating your opinion. Best wishes =)
EnglishRose719 1 year ago
@ligreekguy
um you do realise that probably didn't happen? probably just fiction (never heard of that happening and i study her...)
also she was probably forced to do this as well as fearing poison. was very common at the time...
firegoat 1 year ago
What's the title of the other movie? (other than The Tudors series)
shaykrazi3640 1 year ago
@shaykrazi3640 Elizabeth 1 The Virgin Queen
SongsFromTheLioness 1 year ago
wow!!, that was awesome :) i love it!!
lovinlyfe620 1 year ago
Thats was very good
TudorRose99 1 year ago
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dirkjakobmetal1 1 year ago
What is the title of this music?
magdalenkaa92 1 year ago
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@magdalenkaa92 e.s. posthumus - selisona
dirkjakobmetal1 1 year ago
What is the title of this music?
magdalenkaa92 1 year ago
@magdalenkaa92 e.s. posthumus - selisona
dirkjakobmetal1 1 year ago
At least in The Tudor's they got Mary's coloring right for the most part.
TudorRose85 1 year ago
I find it so interesting that cinematic depictionsl of both Mary and her mother are always as dark haired Spaniards--when they were both strawberry blonde/red headed women. All portraits of them have them with fair hair and skin, not Moorish in complexion as they always do on screen.
quenek 1 year ago 2
@quenek
thank you, mary was blonde, and yet everywhere i go...
firegoat 1 year ago
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gOtHiCxAnGeLxox 1 year ago
@gOtHiCxAnGeLxox
um what? elizabeth was neglected ever since she was 3...
she was finally remembered in her father's later years because of parr.
at least mary knew her parents love until she was a teenager. not something you can say for Elizabeth... who had to fight against death threats ever since she was 14.
at least no one openly persecuted mary and wanted her head...
firegoat 1 year ago
Joanne Whalley is so beautiful..she was an awesome Mary from the Virgin Queen :). But no one tops Daphne Slater in the 1970's "Elizabeth" I swear to God that woman looks like she actually stepped out a tudor painting.
DiabolicalAngel 1 year ago
I agree 100%! Daphne Slater looked so much like Mary. I liked Joanne Whalley's performance, even if it didn't really portray Mary in the most favorable light. I liked the anger and bitterness that she showed because I would imagine that after everything Mary went through, she would have been at least a little bitter.
gapeachjessica 1 year ago
@gapeachjessica It would be hard to argue against her bitterness! If she hadn't been so hardcore Catholic, she might have attempted suicide!
Joanne did capture Mary's bitterness and the scene where she dies while in "childbirth" is superbly done. Joanne was about 43 when she played that part, which was actually older than Mary was when she became queen (38 or so)
Everyone in Elizabeth R looks exactly like their character- its actually kind of scary. If Glenda's eyes had been darker..oooh.
DiabolicalAngel 1 year ago
Alas, poor Mary: chastised by history, persecuted by her father, forsaken by her siblings, abandoned by her husband, rejected by her country, yet comforted by God and her dearest mother, Queen Catherine. RIP
ligreekguy 1 year ago 59
@ligreekguy
i kind of feel bad for mary but i have to point out...
not her fault her father is a bastard
she distanced herself from her siblings though it was inevitable.
she choose that man even though everyone was against it.
her country rejected her when she married a man they did not want and practically turned England into a Spanish colony, then introduced the inquisition and started burning people left and right. as well as declaring wives of clergy whores and their sons bastard
firegoat 1 year ago
@firegoat
May I respectfully respond to each of these? Agreed, Henry was a bastard. She actually made every attempt, especially in their earlier years, to be a mother to Elizabeth and Edward, only it was they who were less interested in promoting a familial existence. Philip was no prize, but remember, Mary was setting a precedent as the first reigning Queen of England. No one knew how to regard Philip, or what titles to give him. (Read more below).
ligreekguy 1 year ago
@ligreekguy
no problem with good debate ^^
about her sibling's relationship, I'm fully aware that it was not her fault. it was not the children's fault either though. she had a 17 year difference with the elder of the two and was raised in a different manner/religion. take also into account that they were all step siblings and the relationships their mothers had (+ that she was the only one big enough to remember..) and you see how their relationship was bound to be strained. (more below)
firegoat 1 year ago
@ligreekguy
the thing about Philip was, that she chose him, insisted upon him when even the whole country went in revolt against the idea and married him. yes she was alone at the time and was influenced by her Spanish relatives but its still doesn't take off the fact that she married him against the council's and the people's wish.
the only reason he was not king regent was because the parliament adamantly refused it. there are many cases of her rows with them on the subject.
firegoat 1 year ago
@firegoat
Well, many Marian historians have said otherwise. Like many religious career women of today, Mary was torn between obligatory devotion to her female duties (including honoring her husband) and her humanly natural desire for power. These scholars claim that she insisted on sole possession of both power and title, and the only concession she made, of course, was to relinquish her status as head of the English church.
ligreekguy 1 year ago
@ligreekguy
they do? when was this brought up? last time i checked there was all the times she went against parliament when they refused to crown Phillip regent.
although yes she did think of herself as queen as opposed to just a wife, I'm not saying she was useless here, just saying she isn't the innocent victim people are trying to paint her nowadays. it's like an overcompensation. they feel bad for calling her bloody Mary all this time they want to show how much they mature by doing this.
firegoat 1 year ago
@firegoat
Without the title of King, Philip really had no power in England, and in fact, Mary got the better part of the deal. She DID assume the title of Queen (Consort) of Spain as well as Empress (Consort) of the Hapsburg dominions and colonies. Mary always detested France, and did not have to be cajoled by Philip into joining the war against it. In effect, England was not a Spanish colony, and Philip often complained about being marginalized during his entire time there. (Read on).
ligreekguy 1 year ago
@ligreekguy
he might have had no official power, but he had her under control. she made that clear in a lot of instances. executing jane grey was for him, and the wars were for him too, she might have hated the french but she would not have warred them if he didn't want to.
and while she took all those Spanish titles, she didn't do anything with them, at least i haven't heard of anything (honestly didn't even know that fact.)
fact is if she had her way, he would have been king regent...
firegoat 1 year ago
@firegoat
Hmmm, and Elizabeth did not kowtow quite a bit to Leicester, Walsingham, even Devereux? As for Jane Grey, two rebellions staged on her behalf within a year? How many chances should Mary have given? Granted, Jane was cajoled into the title of Queen by her parents, though once she got to that point, she seemed to enjoy the role. Remember, teenagers then were far more mature than the 20 and even early 30 somethings of today. And Henry did not cause havoc for the sake of Anne Boleyn?
ligreekguy 1 year ago
@ligreekguy
first off, you listed three. let me add Cecil Jr. and sr. to the bunch. It's normal for her to do what they say, even if its against her wishes and especially if they all agree on it...those guys were all her advisers. that was their job. even then though, the final say was hers. she listened when she truly believed their was no other solution.
Mary made it clear she didn't want Jane executed, she only did in the end because Charles refused to send his son over until she did.
firegoat 1 year ago
@ligreekguy
Elizabeth had Mary queen of the scots...she was a bigger threat to Elizabeth than Jane would have ever been to Mary. she was in direct line of power and the people of England never rejected her. and yet she was kept alive for 19 years, and then only when conclusive proof was shown that she was directly involved in these plots. Jane was beheaded because she was used as a figurehead not because she did anything.
firegoat 1 year ago
@ligreekguy
henry is henry, god knows that guy did horrible things in his time. don't see why you try grouping him with Elizabeth...
Henry caused havoc for many things, and most of it wasn't for Anne Boleyn per se. she was the catalyst true, but he would have done all this regardless for his ego/son.
firegoat 1 year ago
@firegoat
Finally, there is NO justification for the burning of Protestants during her reign, but Mary still pales in comparison to the murders of both Catholics and Protestants during the reign of Henry, as well as Catholics during the reign of Elizabeth. Why are these always overlooked, especially for Elizabeth? These people were monarchs, not saints.
ligreekguy 1 year ago
@ligreekguy
the Catholics that died in Elizabeth's reign are overlooked because they didn't just die for their beliefs, but because they committed treason and revolted against her.
as such they were not just persecuted for their religion but punished for their crime. not the case for Mary which is why people still shudder at it. burning a pregnant lady while she was giving birth just because of her beliefs being different is horrifying.
Henry, ah what to say, that guy got away with murder
firegoat 1 year ago
@firegoat
Really? Women and children in Ireland and the northern English countryside (where Catholicism was at its strongest) were dangerous traitors? Nearly half the murdered victims were women and children. As for the Protestants under Mary, people like Cranmer and Latimer and Ridley were definitely dangerous plotters. Elizabethan apologists blame the massacres on Elizabeth's male advisors. Really? So Elizabeth was a capable Queen AND an innocent female manipulated by men at the same time?
ligreekguy 1 year ago
@ligreekguy
I like how you mention Elizabeth's 'victims' as the common folk, and talk only about the higher ups for Mary... see what you did there lol
both queens share something that all monarchs at one point had in common. they ordered people killed regardless of sex, age, and religion.
the difference here is the reason. Mary did it solely because those people did not believe what she believed. Elizabeth did it because those people committed treason and staged a rebellion against her.
firegoat 1 year ago
@ligreekguy
the retaliation there was terrible i don't say its not. but it was done as a lesson, to deter future uprisings. one that payed off and stopped it, thus probably saving more lives in the long run. this was at the later half of Elizabeth's reign if memory serves, she endured a lot more plotting against her, then Mary had time to experience before finally lashing out.
firegoat 1 year ago
@ligreekguy
I don't apologize for Elizabeth. she did what she had to do as the reigning queen of a country going through all the turbulence it had. she was a very shrewd and capable person and shown it multiple times and like all wise people, she realized that her view on matters might not suffice and surrounded herself with a small group of advisers. oh they might have each had an agenda, but at the end of the day she was the queen who decided what course to do. make no mistake about that.
firegoat 1 year ago
Excellent vidz on these sisters, tragically torn apart by different religion and politics
CallXenaWarrior 2 years ago 10
Beautiful tribute to the Tudor sisters.
TudorRose85 2 years ago
bonito video Nuria!
locoshansygaby 2 years ago
BEAUTIFUL!!!
TheOriginalDivaSable 2 years ago
Cool videos. I love The Tudors. How many episodes total? Because with us in Poland is just beginning the second season?
Bien hecha película. Me gusta todo lo que se incluye con la dinastía de los Tudor. Ellos grabaron un montón de grandes películas sobre ellos. Pero esta serie es la mejor. Vamos, mi favorita es Elizabeth I y The Golden Age Y también The Other Boleyn Girl.:)
kamyla78 2 years ago
season 3 is already out in england and some other countrys i like the sound track on this youtube video rlly much its from tudors to nuria?
dirkjakobmetal1 2 years ago
all of henry the 8 royal children mary,elizabeth and edward had inherited his red hair and fair skin. i hate to see the misrepresentation of mary especially having black hair even catherine of aragon did not have dark hair she had auburn hair with blue eyes common features from aragon where she was raised. after 5 centuries this stereotype of spainards having only dark features hasn't faded.
juliie007 2 years ago 5
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TudorRose85 2 years ago
What is the name of this music, and where can you get it?
antmagor 2 years ago
It might be a track by E.S. Posthumus but maybe I'm wrong...
Isumasi 2 years ago
@antmagor ''Selisona Pi'' by E.S Posthumus, off the Cartographer album :)
FeelinErie 2 years ago
maybe she's older, but I think Maria Doyle Kennedy is rather good looking
TheLeaveTaking 2 years ago 5
amazing:)
TheHistoryfanatic 2 years ago
3:17
colyjulie 2 years ago
Mary is wonderful :D <3
bunnykatie 2 years ago
beautiful music.... love it.. great work
MJacksonGirl25 2 years ago 8
wow I just love this. It's amazing..5stars and fave right away!!! Too good :)
adesigirl 2 years ago 2
Love the video and the music!
LIKEOMG1987 2 years ago 7
I'm glad you like it. Thank you very much for all your comments!
125Nuria 2 years ago
can someone plz tell me the name of the song? thank you!
Marinete87 2 years ago
" Selisona" by E.S Posthumus
LIKEOMG1987 2 years ago
While Elizabeth may not have any personal memories of her mother becuase of her young age at the time of Anne's death, I still believe she had a love for her. When she became queen she always wore a miniature of her mother in either a ring or broach and appointed members of the Boleyn side of the family to well esteemed positions. I think because of a fear and respect for her father she never mentioned Anne at court.
blair316 2 years ago 5
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blair316 2 years ago
Marys mother was divorced and mary was angry at her father for sometime AND was strongly catholic becouse of her mother, but elizbeth almost forgot her mother aNN,,elizabeth was only 3 when ann boylen died.but she did get upset at her father for calling her a bastard
SO BUY THE TIME SHE BECOMES QUEEN SHE HARDLY REMBERS HER mother BUT SHE DID CARRY A PORTRAIT OF HER MOTHER WHEN SHE WAS IN HER OLD AGE 1590-1603
coolbrian15 2 years ago 2
In my opinon Henry murdered Katharine. He may not have beheaded her but he neglected her and forced her to live in damp cold conditions. This probably brought on the cancer that killed her.
ForEverSnoopy 2 years ago 35
Finally, someone who agrees with me! I think he murdered Jane Seymour too!
GoddessofHyrule 2 years ago 3
Jane died of an infection after the birth of Edward. Puerperal fever, it's called. Also, Edward wasn't cut from the womb, like most stories say.
I do, however, think that Henry as well as condemned Katherine of Aragon to death when he ripped his love from her. They were so devout in their love, too, in the early years. I don't like how she's always portrayed as his senior by like twenty years though, when it was only five.
/end ramble xD
xaoxia 2 years ago
Katherine of Aragon was known to be beautiful with fair skin and red gold hair so i keep getting upset how they keep making her look...dark and really old
KwiyowoonGurl 2 years ago 4
She did become "Old" in her later years
Jamestopboy 2 years ago
Actually she had dark spanish hair, which henry was most attracted to. They make her look older because this is when she was older, like in her late 30's. When she was 25 she was a spanish beauty and henry loved her for it. But she grew old
mltplprsonalty 2 years ago
Katherine didn't have "dark Spanish hair" she was a redhead with blue eyes and pale skin. It was dark red but only a dark auburn. Not all Spanish people have dark hair, dark eyes, and dark skin. Besides the fact Katherine was more English than she was Spanish as was her mother.
oneadmmlife 2 years ago 6
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magalimadeleine 2 years ago
Dampness and cold can't cause cancer. But they certainly probably exacerbated the condition by causing distress.
glamourchick21 2 years ago 4
The show is called the Virgin Queen
AikokoXD 2 years ago 2