JFK and the Unspeakable: A conversation with James W. Douglass, Oliver Stone and Lisa Pease

[edge78a]

i'm affraid after studying, Obama is not even American and is hand picked by the illuinati, they fooled us again,

[GregWn]

What is for suckers? Cannot make out what Stone is saying. Tx.

[pat442389]

@GregWn i think he said scenery is for suckers... but not 100% sure

[thomasg74]

I Wonder is Jim Disappointed in Obama,he and other true Pacifists put much stock in Obama as the New Improved J.F.K.The reality is that Obama was never going to buck the Massive force that is the Military industrial complex and their weddedness to war making,indeed Obama has continued the wars and Embroiled NATO in Libya.Obama had no road to Damascus moment, like J.F.K had, as a result of the Missile crisis.Obama is merely the Front man for the forces that have always Held power.

[cruisersism]

This Evil LBJ statement WE believe refers to the murder of JFK

"It is the Melancholy law of human societies to be compeled sometimes to chose a great evil in order to ward off a greater evil"

YOU want to see a guilty MAN? check this out , = LBJ coments on JFK assasination 1969.wmv

LBJ Evil joke about JFK

"I told? him that morning at breakfast...Son, I'm afraid this just ant' your day. Your going to the morgue and I'm going back to the White House"

[piscesman54]

@EllSieMovies You are right, but at the time of this interview, Obama had only been in office a few months and had not yet shown his true colors. I believe these people are all sincere, but obviously there is a bigger picture, and it's not just about Wall Street. Wall Street is just one of a number of means to an end: a One World Government.

[cunnidvd]

Obama is a puppet of the same people that killed JFK. Pay attention.

[preteristaynrand]

I haven't read the book yet. Does the book discuss JFK's role in ending the Federal Reserve with Executive Order 111110?

[bmyrab]

Does anyone happen to know of a transcript for this discussion? All five parts?

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Wishful thinking?

[NOC63]

These are intelligent Americans, That people like Bugliosi dosen't want any part of in a manner of debate. I could not support them and Mark Lane enough.

[bmyrab]

Thank you for posting the entire panel discussion marco310b. This is excellent. JFK and the Unspeakable is the definitive work on the 1963 Presidential Coup.

[marco310b]

Thanks for posting comments on this video. You may also be interested in viewing:

'JFK and his SECRET SERVICE DETAIL: A Preview of Mark Lane's new film featuring Abraham Bolden."

[TheCanucksfan21]

@marco310b interesting 

[SecretariatRocks]

Xenu, Perry Russo was not "drugged" - it was common police practice to use Sodium Penthol and Sodium Amatyl as "truth serum" drugs. Jim Garrison has been smeared by CIA assets and his office was infiltrated. There's so much disinfo about him that I assume if someone attacks Garrison they are either a know-nothing or a spook.

[newellgirl]

What a joke in what these folks are claiming..Stone's film is full of holes..what the hell does Obama have to do with JFK??? Why would a group of distinguished public servants namely the people who served on the Warren Commission put their names to a so called sham inquiry?? if truth is the issue why do folks like this perpetuate untruths..Oswald was as guilty as they come..no mystery, no elaborate conspiracy..all the evidence is plain to see.. read Vincent Bugliosi's very thorough book..

[ColtraneNYC]

@newellgirl

Hey look, gang -- another Authority Groupie. Distinguished public servants? Teeheehee. Such as Allen Dulles, per say -- the man who ordered people murdered and overthrew governments about as often as he ate breakfast. (When he wasn't buggering little boys.)

But this twit is right about one thing: What does a Wall Street/National Security State pimp such as Barack Obama have to do with JFK. Nothing. He is the Bizarro Kennedy.

[ColtraneNYC]

A response in my in-box from the dazzling and glamorous "newellgirl":

"why dont u go and get fucked u stupid dumbass..."

Warrenistas at their most eloquent. . . :-)

[SaxyDan54]

@newellgirl

Are you truly that stupid and gullible?

[SaxyDan54]

@newellgirl

A. They couldn't have U.S. Citizens discover that Lee Harvey Oswald was part of the intelligence apparatus

B. They didn't want the U.S. electorate to truly belive that Russia or Cuba were behind it, because by that time, they had finally come to see that nuclear war was no longer an option...far better to have non-wars that went on for years, killing little brown people, consuming goods & services and making big buck for themselves.

And it was not THAT elaborate a conspiracy.

[ColtraneNYC]

Sorry, the Richard Mahoney book is called "JFK: Ordeal in Africa." The cover photo is of Kennedy the moment he was told of Lumumba's murder (by US intelligence).

[Exiles800]

CIA didn't have the balls to pull off a coup d'etat until David Ben Gurion literally broke down and had to leave office because of his conflict with JFK over obtaining nuclear weapons. Angleton was CIA liason to Israel and smuggled nuclear parts to Israel behind Kennedy's back. Why would JFK's letters to Ben Gurion still be classified 50 years later? The Assassination went forward because Israel was the overseas anchor by which Kennedy's assassination could both be justified and supported.

[Exiles800]

You see the relationship CIA had with organized crime from operation UNDERWORLD created an underground network that was practically a second rogue gov't. The main power persons in the US syndicate were Jews (this is true so don't knee-jerk "anti-semite") When you see how ardent zionist Meyer Lansky was used, the CIA/mob underground that fleshed-out in the form of Shaw, Marcello, Mickey Cohen, etc explains how this shadow gov't was organized to murder JFK. Ruby was a Jew and had direct loyalties.

[SaxyDan54]

@Exiles800

*DYZINFORMATZYA ALERT*

[Exiles800]

So far no one has been able to show anything that was wrong in what Piper wrote. Read Michael Collins Piper's 'Final Judgment' if you really want to know why Kennedy was killed and by whom...

[SaxyDan54]

@Exiles800

OK, so we've established that Piper is an idiot...........CIA...not Mossad or the ADL....CIA. The big question is who gave the nod to the CIA.............

[Exiles800]

I think you need to read 'Final Judgment'. Your premise above shows you have no idea of what Piper discusses or exposes. He doesn't exclude CIA as you imply. In fact he helps indict them and their "French Connection" Mediterranean organized crime/intel network. Read the book. Not one single person has ever refuted or disproven what Piper writes in 'Final Judgment' and there's a reason for that. Anyone can see his material is based on known facts. He shows the players are all inescapably involved

[SaxyDan54]

@Exiles800

What I know of Piper equates to anti-Semitic nutjob...devoted nutjob.

I'll try to find the book and give it a read...but I think it's crap. Prouty/Garrison/Douglass have it right, in my book....so far.

[Exiles800]

Good. I sincerely think you'll come away from 'Final Judgment' with a slightly different opinion. The book is amazing. So amazing it has to be censored and buried because of a horrible truth it reveals. It's available for free on the internet.

[bmyrab]

You're just name calling now AndrewMann552 and ignoring facts. You ignore his speech at American University. You ignore his National Security Action Memorandum #263 pulling us troops out of Vietnam. You ignore his detente with Russia and Cuba. You seem to have an agenda that does not include truth. But every time you print a lie I get a chance to inform people of the facts.

[bmyrab]

Good for you AndrewMann552. You notice that Obama's words don't match his deeds. Obama is a fraud, a liar, a hypocrite. He's George W. Bush with a better vocabulary. President Kennedy, by contrast, was a decent person with integrity. Whereas Obama is Wall Street's wing man Kennedy governed with the aim of helping ordinary people. So big business (e.g., US Steel) and Wall Street (e.g., David Rockefeller) despised him enough to want him dead. Read "Battling Wall Street" for more details.

[bmyrab]

Obviously you didn't read Garrison's book "On the Trail of the Assassins" Xenu and that's why you are so uninformed. Garrison nailed it. He was correct in his analysis of the 1963 coup and the participants. Shaw denied being in the CIA during his trial, yet years later CIA officials admitted Shaw was a spook. Read and learn Xenu. Assuming you want to learn and not just prop up the official story.

[SaxyDan54]

@bmyrab

well said.

[bmyrab]

You are wrong AndrewMann552. Kennedy was determined to have peace with Russia, Cuba, and Vietnam. He announced withdrawal from Vietnam just weeks prior to the coup that killed him. This timing was not a coincidence. Just listed to his great pacifist speech at American university if you want to learn facts and stop spewing lies.

[AndrewMann552]

@bmyrab The same way Obama makes speeches about world peace while bombing Pakistani society to the stone age?

[AndrewMann552]

@bmyrab Read William Blum's "Killing Hope," he documents in detail how Kennedy was no pacifist, the guy was carrying out pretty violent programs in Latin America and Asia. In fact, Kennedy formed much of what is today classic US counterinsurgency doctrine.

[ColtraneNYC]

@AndrewMann552

I'm sure you and I agree on most everything. I worked for the current White House traitor for part of 2007/08. Obama is the Quisling of US politics. I have read William Blum's great book. But Douglass's vision of JFK is much wider and deeper, containing much more info than Blum had access to. Also, Blum is a typical leftist historian -- and I am very much a leftist myself -- who doesn't seem capable or willing to see exceptions within US power. Much like Chomsky as well. Peace.

[bmyrab]

Thank you for posting this. Where can we see the unedited video?

[marco310b]

@bmyrab

The complete and unedited event is now available in 5 parts.

[marco310b]

@bmyrab

A preview of Mark Lane's new documentary film is available now on YouTube. This clip includes part of an interview with Abraham Bolden, the first African American secret service agent on Kennedy's detail.

[GregWn]

@marco310b Connected with Lane's new book? He has a new book titled "Last Word: My Indictment of the CIA in the Murder of JFK", publication date November 1, 2011.

[AndrewMann552]

I dunno, Kennedy was pretty much a hawk till the day he died. RFK's operations against Cuba went on pretty heavily and violently right up through 11/22/63, just before he died JFK was putting the finishing touches on plans for a fascist coup in Brazil which was carried out in early 1964, read Tim Weiner's "Legacy Of Ashes."

[SaxyDan54]

@AndrewMann552

And can you cite a source for this 'intelligence'?

If you had read Mr. Douglass' book, you would see that politically, he often had to say or do things publically when his mind and future plans were quite different. He didn't have the time to accomplish his goals unless he could get re-elected, so he had to appear more hawkish than he wanted.

Also, RFK was also being duped by CIA and things done without his authority, as was JFK.

You're wrong.

[AndrewMann552]

@SaxyDan54 The same way Obama is simply leading us on when in reality he has a world peace plan in the drawer? Come on. Also, the idea that the CIA could wage war against Cuba and overthrow governments in Latin America without RFK or JFK knowing would mean these two men were literally mentally handicapped. As for sources, read "Legacy Of Ashes" and William Blum's "Killing Hope" where Kennedy's hawkish policies are well documented.

[SaxyDan54]

@AndrewMann552 You are obviously not capable of rational thought if you think that a President knows what everybody is doing everywhere...especially when so much can be hidden so easily under the guise of 'national security'.

Read Prouty. And Mr. Douglass.

[AndrewMann552]

@SaxyDan54 There's a difference between clandestine, covert ops and major events such as the overthrow of governments, bombings of Cuban ships, assassinations of major political figures (like Diem) and increased bombings in Vietnam. As for the theory of Kennedy wanting to get out of Vietnam, all the documents prove is that he wanted to get out IF the situation progressed in a way that looked good for US interests. He wasn't at all ready to accept a Communist regime there.

[MrFrustratedone]

@AndrewMann552 Incorrect assessment.. NSAM 263, signed 10 Oct 1963 by JFK was clear. 1,000 of our 16,000 men in Vietnam were to be brought home immediately and 1.000 more were to come home each month, resulting in total extraction in 15 months. The day JFK was put into the ground, 25 Nov 1963, LBJ signed NSAM 273, which reversed JFK's intentions and escalated our ground force involvement immediately. 

[AndrewMann552]

@MrFrustratedone Was he going to pull out all the trainers and advisors that were teaching the Vietnamese government to torture and interrogate? Read the entire record, Kennedy was already bombing the place by the time he was killed, this is pure fact, just check the documented record, not just JFK assassination books or the Oliver Stone movie. And again, JFK's record in Latin America proves he wasn't softening at all towards Cuba or any other leftist movements in the region.

[AndrewMann552]

@MrFrustratedone Where for example, in the record, does it seem as if Kennedy was going to allow Cuba to export its revolution into the Americas? It's just laughable to think he was going to just sit back and watch guerrilla insurgencies win all over the hemisphere.

[wunderdoggy]

@MrFrustratedone Also great evidence is found in JFK`s last press conference where he states clearly that his intention is to pull out of Vietnam in response to a reporter`s question on NSAM 263.

[AndrewMann552]

@SaxyDan54 Prouty does a good job detailing how covert ops work, but he and Douglass for example, conveniently ignore Kennedy's Latin America policies which were quite aggressive right up until the end, including the formation of standard counterinsurgency doctrine, increased support for regional strongmen as part of the Punta del Este scheme to isolate Cuba economically and diplomatically, even the testing of napalm in Colombia. He was willing to make peace...on US imperial terms.

[SaxyDan54]

@AndrewMann552

Had you truly read Prouty you would know that what you said there is not true, a complete fabrication. So many, many things were done without JFK's knowledge, some at the behest of his own staff, who seemed not to get the idea that Kennedy had a new paradigm in mind, espcially after the Cuban Missile Crisis. Ed Landsdale et. al. were responsible for the counterinsurgency doctrine, which was basically the philosophy of Mao Tse Tung.

[AndrewMann552]

@SaxyDan54 Sorry but all the transcripts from the era, and all the declassified material as well-recorded in works like "Killing Hope" by William Blum (a work superior to Prouty) and "Legacy Of Ashes" shows that right up until the end, Robert Kennedy was in charge of terror plots against Cuba and JFK was PERSONALLY approving classic imperial projects for the region such as the Brazil coup. Kennedy's stance was peace, but on US terms.

[SaxyDan54]

@AndrewMann552

I don't think any work is going to be superior to Prouty because Prouty was THERE! His is first-hand, knowledgable, experienced and reliable disclosure...up front and in your face. He was there!!! Blum was not!

[AndrewMann552]

@SaxyDan54 Prouty did indeed have a lot of access to certain operations, but most of his theories on why Kennedy was killed are based on intelligent guessing based on what he saw in other departments. He wasn't sitting there in the cigar-smoked rooms. Blum has also had good access and on the field experience.

[SaxyDan54]

@AndrewMann552

Prouty's 'theories' are based on actual, hard experience, knowing how things worked (since he wrote 'the handbook') and by actually being there. Blum was a computer operator for State in the mid-60's...and accountant who then became a journalist. I'll look for his book, too...but Prouty was honest, open disclosure of the 1st degree.

[SaxyDan54]

@AndrewMann552

What was shown to the public and what was the private man are 2 different things...he HAD to make a show of being the strong anti-communist, but privately he was talking peace with our enemies...a peace that they wanted just as much as he.

And if JFK's stsance was peace but on US terms....isn't that better than war???

[AndrewMann552]

@SaxyDan54 There's a difference between ACTIONS and the fluff politicians say in speeches. Kennedy said a lot of nice things but kept backing dictators like Somoza in Nicaragua, that's just fact. Obama says a lot of nice things, but in the real world he's keeping pretty violent imperial policies in place, that's the way the world works. Only real, popular revolutions have ever been able to really alter such courses.

[AndrewMann552]

@SaxyDan54 And again, to say that MAJOR operations such as the assassinations of foreign leaders were going on behind Kennedy's back is to say Kennedy was a total idiot who was too busy sleeping with strange women to know what his own government was doing.

[SaxyDan54]

@AndrewMann552

Sorry, What I meant to imply was that YOU were a total idiot. He tried to get Diem out on a plane, but Diem and his brother got off the plane to go back to the palace, and ended up dead.....by the CIA.

Don't you know that the whole Vietnam Conflict (it was not an official war, btw) was an invention by the CIA. You DO realize there was no such thing as South Vietnam until the CIA invented it? Do you??????

[AndrewMann552]

@SaxyDan54 Yes, Landsdale and others formed the doctrine, and you and others are saying what, it was never put on Kennedy's desk? That's pretty laughable. His Vietnam policies are similar to Obama's, he pushed for a 2011 withdrawal, but now that we're still getting our asses kicked he's pushed it back to 2014, and when 2014 rolls around it will probably go to 2019...

[SaxyDan54]

@AndrewMann552

Well, the sad thing you miss is that not everyone who walked in JFK's (or Obama's) office with a smile had JFK's bestinterests at heart. Maxwell Taylor wormed his way into JFK good side, but he was also pushing the Mao doctrine that ended up being the School of Assassins (Ft. Bragg is it?). When one must focus on the big picture, the little things can be manuvered by lesser individuals...or even those on the Prez's staff. Obama should have fired every Republican...but alas...

[ColtraneNYC]

@AndrewMann552

Andrew Mann = leftoid cliche mouthing lies.

Tim Weiner?? Why not David Corn, Thomas Powers, Sy Hersh or any of the other media watercarriers for the CIA?

For the real story of what went down in Brazil, pick-up the forgotten masterpiece "Thy WIll Be Done" by Gerard Colby & Charlotte Dennett. The rest of Mann's horsepoop is debunked 1,000 times over in Jim Douglass's book.

[AndrewMann552]

@ColtraneNYC Read "Killing Hope" by William Blum, who is certainly no CIA "water carrier," Blum brilliantly chronicles in detail how Kennedy was no pacifist, he was a classic imperialist.

[ColtraneNYC]

@AndrewMann552

Also, so much of what Blum (and Chomsky) attribute to "Kennedy" were actions taken by an out-of-control National Security State which was sabotaging Kennedy policy across the planet: in South Vietnam, Cuba, Indonesia, the Congo. (Richard Mahoney's "JFK in Africa" is one of the best books on Kennedy foreign policy.)

I bet you a dollar that if you read the Jim Douglass book your view of JFK will radically change.

[SaxyDan54]

@ColtraneNYC

Right you are, Coltrane.

The Bay of Pigs and especially the Cuban Missle Crisis changed JFK from being a hardened Cold Warrior to a man who cared about Peace. I know for a fact, that had JFK lived, we would not have spent so many years and dollars and lives as we did. He in fact told one of his staffers the day before he died that 'we're getting out of Vietnam'. End of story. The CIA...and the MIC couldn't have that!

[MrNeaguy]

Mark Lane is given credit. What actually did he bring to light from the secret files?

Did he file any freedom of information act requests?

The giant in the field JFK research, Harold Weisberg is ignored. Could it be because Weisberg shredded Jim Garrison's case before it was presented? HW walked away because he saw that Garrison had no case. Weisberg points out at the Weisberg Archive on line that Garrison did no actual investigating and couldn't find a pubic hair in a whore house.

[Xenu]

@MrNeaguy I believe Harold Weisberg actually said that Garrison couldn't find a pubic hair in a whore house at rush hour. My memory might be embellishing that last bit, though. :-)

[SaxyDan54]

Then I disagree with Mr. Weisberg!

[Xenu]

Garrison was a paranoid nut who referred to the assassination as "a homosexual thrill-kill," accused LBJ of the murder without a shred of evidence, drugged his so-called "witnesses" in order to create false memories and persecuted an innocent man. He simply made everything up as he went along.

[SaxyDan54]

@Xenu

With what drugs?

Did he have a trained medical professional adminsiter said drugs?

Did this person have a name? Was he on the parish payroll?

i.e. Got any facts to go with that horseshit you're shovelling?

[Xenu]

@SaxyDan54 You're a Jim Garrison supporter and you don't even know the basic facts of his story? I apologize for assuming you knew something about you're talking about. He drugged Perry Russo with sodium pentathol.

[SaxyDan54]

@Xenu

I have studied the JFK assassination for over 30 years...I remember the day well.

WHilt Russo may have been given sodion pentathol, there were 2 seperate doctors how verified that Russo was teling the truth. NBC's Sheridan tried to bribe Russo to recant, but Russo refused, despite threats, and Russo maintained that Shaw, Oswald and Ferries were all together. Add to that what I consider to be the sterling integrity of Mr. Garrison and winning of elections after the fact, ergo to wit.

[MrNeaguy]

@Xenu No, I think you're right on that.

Weisberg and Les Payne had a similar back and forth

about Mark Lane's "research."

With Lane it was something about an

undercleaned, overworked whorehouse in which

he couldn't find a pubic hair!

[ColtraneNYC]

And by the way, find the grave of Richard Helms -- and piss on it. (But make sure you only urinate white wine. The effete Wasp murderer.)

[ColtraneNYC]

Continued:

has updated and clarified -- mostly in the footnotes -- several important matters. (One example: Jim has backed away from embracing the "Oswald-and-not-Billy Lovelady in the TSBD doorway" canard.) So, if possible, the paperback is even better than the original release. Christmas is coming. Buy everyone you know this masterpiece.

[SaxyDan54]

@ColtraneNYC

I consider myself honored to have met Mr. Douglass and to have him autograph my hardcopy!

[ColtraneNYC]

Dennis is right. By far the best book on 11/22/63, but also on the man himself. Truly one of the great books of our time. And congratulations to Simon & Schuster for picking up the paperback rights from the courageous house of Orbis Books. For those who have read the hardcover, I highly recommend a paperback reread. The great Jim Douglass -- and let us all pray he is able to complete his upcoming books on the National Security State murder of Malcolm, MLK & RFK --

[SaxyDan54]

@ColtraneNYC

I also recommend reading Fletcher Prouty's books.

All of this bears relevance on what happened in succeeding administrations. IF the assassination of JFK was the 'High Cabal's' statement that they had complete control, I feel that the Bush administration was the resultant 'coming out' of all their plans,,,and no doubt a taste of what's to come.

[thomasg74]

@ColtraneNYC ,Hi,just taking you up on your recommendation,i have the Hardback,exceptional book,is there anything new in the Paperback to warrant its purchase,Thanks,T.

[ColtraneNYC]

@thomasg74

Definitely worth the pick-up. Douglass reworks some things in the text, and much info in the wonderful endnotes. Most is minor stuff, but one major shift is his change of mind regarding the Altgens photo and whether it's Billy Lovelady or Lee Oswald in the TSBD doorway. (Definitely Lovelady.) There's also a very nice Q&A added by Simon and Schuster at the back of the paperback.

One of the great non-fiction books of our time.

[thomasg74]

@ColtraneNYC ,Thanks for the reply,it appears it is well worth picking up then.I Feel that the Mafia were integral to the Murder,this is, in my opinion borne out by the Murders of almost all the Mafiosi suspected in being directly involved in the assassination,rumoured in at least the case of Giancana,to be the victim of a C.I.A. Connected individual,with the murder weapon originating in Florida.The Mob were the Hired Guns,Rogue C.I.A/Anti-Castro the Masterminds[Phillips/Harvey et al].

[dennis345]

If you've not read this book yet, you really must. You should take notes as you read, because the amount of information and the number of characters is considerable. LOTS of meat on the bones. Completely transformed my view not just of the assassination, but also of the man himself.