Civil unions are indeed equal to marriage statewide. whether or not each state that offers them makes sure they are equal is a whole other matter.The benefits your talking about are based on federal law. even with gay marriage, you would not get those benefits because of DOMA. so its a redherring and has been ever sense the No On 8 Campaign brought it up
Besides, We can always make sure that civil unions have all the same rights down the future without having to redefining marriage for everyone
you did not answer my question. let me remind you. since you claim that i was wrong on the purpose of civil marriage, what exactly is not based on reality with the comments i made?
@kenballer00 -- u asked me originally in what way were u not correct--ans: civil unions -- as u said and removed--r not the same. also marriage is not just about procreation.
@kenballer00 1) why alloe civil unions & not marriage?--ans--predjudice rooted in a lack of insight. 2) nothing says marriage is for the raising of kids--marriage is for any darn couple of any advanced age, any race, and is a personal expression of freedom, commitment and a statement to the outside world. would you like to get civil unionized?
you don't have to call it a civil union socially or LEGALLY because we can always offer marriage recognition from canada
the U.S. supreme court has been consistent throughout the history of marriage from plural marriage( Murphy v. Ramsey), from interracial marriage (Loving v Virginia), to even gay marriage (Baker v. Nelson) that marriage is between a man and a woman and the purpose of it is to PROMOTE procreation into an environment where there is two biological married parents(on law books)
haven't you looked up any of the supreme court cases i gave that specifically state that CIVIL marriage is indeed all about procreation according to the government's perspective. i suggest you do the research because i have also watched those trial briefings and they are inaccurate with what centuries worth of constitutional law. i could enlighten you myself if need be. care to challenge me
i am going to assume that you concede my point and have researched my claims and found out that they are true and now have to resort to this in order to evade any further exposure to your positon that reeks with BS
@kenballer00 -- you may assume any the shit you pull out of your own ass tastes and smells lilke shit, which indeed it is. A will assume due to your lack of due diligence that you regretfully agree that i am right on all counts and you are wrong.
@kenballer00 -- you may assume any the shit you pull out of your own ass tastes and smells lilke shit, which indeed it is. A will assume due to your lack of due diligence that you regretfully agree that i am right on all counts and you are wrong.
nobody's forcing gays to deny their attractions. Nobody's criminalizing homosexuals acts or raiding gay marriages in churches. gays can freely express their feelings of love in a church and get all the benefits that come with marriage through civil unions. however, as soon as you step outside the private realm of RELIGIOUS marriage and enter into the public sphere of CIVIL marriage, you are subject to the law and public opinion or vote because civil marriage is about public policy.
kenballer--u don't get it at all. Marriage is equality and nothing else will do. Not ever. Your fear of equality for gays demonstrates your homophobia and lack of understanding. We let u marry.
OH PLEASE. gays and lesbians have always been allowed to get married even to each other just of different sex and happen to be in traditional marriages as we speak. if your going to say that they would be miserable in living such a way, then welcome to the club. everybody , gay or straight, is equally having a miserable time with opposite-sex marriage. what your asking for ie extra SPECIAL RIGHTS that exist outside the constitution.
kenballer00---ur right in some ways, and also ignorant. A lot of people are happily married, and the homo men who have wives but give blow jobs in the parks aren't really gay--they, like u think its okay to cheat like that. Gay is @ love and affection and trust.
the state is not there to issue love licenses. the main purpose of civil marriage is to PROMOTE procreation into an environment where there is two biological married parents in order to maintain society through the future. the same reason we don't allow same sex marriage is the same reason we don't allow incest and polygamy. this is why its a privilege, hence the word "license", because the state does have a right to discriminate against those type of relationships for legitimate state interests
@kenballer00 -- So independent politics is just another hostile way to hurt others and not worry about the penalty from local or other government. your talk is not sensical since little u say is actually based in the reality of governance, and of our shared need to have rules and good leadership.
Civil unions are indeed equal to marriage statewide. whether or not each state that offers them makes sure they are equal is a whole other matter.The benefits your talking about are based on federal law. even with gay marriage, you would not get those benefits because of DOMA. so its a redherring and has been ever sense the No On 8 Campaign brought it up
Besides, We can always make sure that civil unions have all the same rights down the future without having to redefining marriage for everyone
kenballer00 1 year ago
@kenballer00 -- civil unions r not the same
jerrydoubleu 1 year ago
you did not answer my question. let me remind you. since you claim that i was wrong on the purpose of civil marriage, what exactly is not based on reality with the comments i made?
kenballer00 1 year ago
@kenballer00 -- u asked me originally in what way were u not correct--ans: civil unions -- as u said and removed--r not the same. also marriage is not just about procreation.
jerrydoubleu 1 year ago
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kenballer00 1 year ago
@kenballer00 -- civil unions r not the same
jerrydoubleu 1 year ago
according the state's perspective, the main purpose of marriage is procreation and children regardless on whether the couples have that same purpose.
kenballer00 1 year ago
@kenballer00 -- not true
jerrydoubleu 1 year ago
how so?
kenballer00 1 year ago
@kenballer00 1) why alloe civil unions & not marriage?--ans--predjudice rooted in a lack of insight. 2) nothing says marriage is for the raising of kids--marriage is for any darn couple of any advanced age, any race, and is a personal expression of freedom, commitment and a statement to the outside world. would you like to get civil unionized?
jerrydoubleu 1 year ago
you don't have to call it a civil union socially or LEGALLY because we can always offer marriage recognition from canada
the U.S. supreme court has been consistent throughout the history of marriage from plural marriage( Murphy v. Ramsey), from interracial marriage (Loving v Virginia), to even gay marriage (Baker v. Nelson) that marriage is between a man and a woman and the purpose of it is to PROMOTE procreation into an environment where there is two biological married parents(on law books)
kenballer00 1 year ago
@kenballer00 -- haven't you watched any of the post-trial briefings of Boies and Olson--marriage is not just @ procreation--u aren't correct in that.
jerrydoubleu 1 year ago
haven't you looked up any of the supreme court cases i gave that specifically state that CIVIL marriage is indeed all about procreation according to the government's perspective. i suggest you do the research because i have also watched those trial briefings and they are inaccurate with what centuries worth of constitutional law. i could enlighten you myself if need be. care to challenge me
kenballer00 1 year ago
@kenballer00 -- civil unions r not the same
jerrydoubleu 1 year ago
@kenballer00 -- ken ur one of those closeted guys aren't you. u ever got ur weenie suked by a gay guy? Ans: yah. And you fondled his tool in return.
jerrydoubleu 1 year ago
i am going to assume that you concede my point and have researched my claims and found out that they are true and now have to resort to this in order to evade any further exposure to your positon that reeks with BS
kenballer00 1 year ago
@kenballer00 -- you may assume any the shit you pull out of your own ass tastes and smells lilke shit, which indeed it is. A will assume due to your lack of due diligence that you regretfully agree that i am right on all counts and you are wrong.
jerrydoubleu 1 year ago
@kenballer00 -- you may assume any the shit you pull out of your own ass tastes and smells lilke shit, which indeed it is. A will assume due to your lack of due diligence that you regretfully agree that i am right on all counts and you are wrong.
jerrydoubleu 1 year ago
nobody's forcing gays to deny their attractions. Nobody's criminalizing homosexuals acts or raiding gay marriages in churches. gays can freely express their feelings of love in a church and get all the benefits that come with marriage through civil unions. however, as soon as you step outside the private realm of RELIGIOUS marriage and enter into the public sphere of CIVIL marriage, you are subject to the law and public opinion or vote because civil marriage is about public policy.
kenballer00 1 year ago
kenballer--u don't get it at all. Marriage is equality and nothing else will do. Not ever. Your fear of equality for gays demonstrates your homophobia and lack of understanding. We let u marry.
jerrydoubleu 1 year ago
OH PLEASE. gays and lesbians have always been allowed to get married even to each other just of different sex and happen to be in traditional marriages as we speak. if your going to say that they would be miserable in living such a way, then welcome to the club. everybody , gay or straight, is equally having a miserable time with opposite-sex marriage. what your asking for ie extra SPECIAL RIGHTS that exist outside the constitution.
kenballer00 1 year ago
kenballer00---ur right in some ways, and also ignorant. A lot of people are happily married, and the homo men who have wives but give blow jobs in the parks aren't really gay--they, like u think its okay to cheat like that. Gay is @ love and affection and trust.
jerrydoubleu 1 year ago
the state is not there to issue love licenses. the main purpose of civil marriage is to PROMOTE procreation into an environment where there is two biological married parents in order to maintain society through the future. the same reason we don't allow same sex marriage is the same reason we don't allow incest and polygamy. this is why its a privilege, hence the word "license", because the state does have a right to discriminate against those type of relationships for legitimate state interests
kenballer00 1 year ago
@kenballer00 -- So independent politics is just another hostile way to hurt others and not worry about the penalty from local or other government. your talk is not sensical since little u say is actually based in the reality of governance, and of our shared need to have rules and good leadership.
jerrydoubleu 1 year ago
@jerrydoubleu
everything i say is based on reality. care to challenge me on that and tell me what exactly is not based on reality with the comments i made
kenballer00 1 year ago
@kenballer00 -- 1) marriage is not @ just procreation.
jerrydoubleu 1 year ago