White Identity in the 41st Millennium?

[PavelDragunov]

LETS GO SPACE MARINES!! Haha I had a fucking wrecking crew back in the day had a mech couple of tanks some motorbikes a bunch infantry god what a fun game.

[88Gaulois]

Really intresting, it is very true white people have been taught (forced) to feel ashamed of themselves and their history.

[Lemmingologist]

I really don't see it. And your forgetting that much of the Imperial Guard cavalry is middle eastern, an entire chapter of space marines are Mongols and the nicest worlds are those that Tau and Human's co-habitate. And if the Tau aren't a bunch of commie progressives who are?

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@Lemmingologist The Tau live on the brink of hell and have no idea. Also which chapter? And are they dressed in desert clothing or are they actually middle eastern? Finally PM me with 5 links to pictures of concept art of humans who are clearly not white. Also 5 pictures of non white US marines. Tell me how hard each was.

[Lemmingologist]

@AsymmetricalWarfare The Chapter is the Whitescars, the Calvary are the Tallarn and they appear to be middle eastern and in the short stories live a life that reflects that of the ancient Arabic horse people.

[1984lastman]

here is my racial breakdown of 40k, Chaos - Jews lol Tau - East Asians, Tyranids Mexicans/Muslims, Orks Africans, Imperium of man - Europe 19th century, Eldar - Slavic paganism

[DeHerg]

"nerd" here:

The Emperor didnt started the imperial cult, it was founded after he got on life support.

Imperial commanders do not outrank space marines because imperial guard and the astartes are different hierarchies(same with the adeptus mechanicus). The only ones who can order all of them around are inquisitors.

I think you are right that space marines live indefinitely, there are chaos space marines mentioned who are veterans of ten-thousand years of war

[fringeelements]

So chaos isn't the cultural marxists?

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@fringeelements I'd say chaos is the subconscious rebellion against the horror of annihilation. So in a sense they are the vices that the cultural Marxists engage in to deal with their cognitive dissonance. Incidentally anger was the drug I used to deal with my cultural Marxist and neocon cognitive dissonance and my patron god was Khorne. A lot of social conservatives favour self pity (Nurgle), college youth hedonism and excess (Slaanesh)......

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@AsymmetricalWarfare And good boy types workaholism, careerism or politics. Politics that are both real (as in what really goes on within a democratic state) and fantastical as in pointless elections and stuff. That's Tzeentch. None of this is actually planned of course. This is all subconscious fantasy and different aspects of the fantasy will appeal to different people. But yea, Chaos are the cultural marxists that are conflicted.

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@AsymmetricalWarfare Most totally committed cultural marxists would pick something like the Tau. Of course the Tau also represent technocracy and progress... Bleh, must stop psychoanalyzing Warhammer on lack of sleep!

[fringeelements]

Tzeentch can be seen as "the computer", the hyper-rationalizer who finds a "logical" way to accept all perceived-inevitable change as a way to cope. Mutates in response to fate.

Khorne is rage in response to hardship, to rage away the dissonance and shut down knowledge of the rot.

Slaanesh is constant hedonism to escape the problems. Out of sight, out of mind.

[fringeelements]

Nurgle is value-nihilism. One accepts the rot and all the pain it's acceptance causes, and over time simply becomes desensitized, but hates the imperium for being soft and letting it happen. This is me now.

And like any dream world, the scale is impossible, things are impossible. The emperor kept alive in an ancient computer. The imperium exudes the old "whiteness" with traditional military and hyper-christianity. The emperor died with the cultural marxist heresy and is now on life support.

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@fringeelements Damn, you're good at this!

[fringeelements]

So cultural marxism is a part of chaos, but chaos more represents the psychological responses to the encroachment of cultural marxism on the european race.

The orks are... a race of people with the most distinctive skin color. Not gonna say who the killa boyz and mekanikz are supposed to be. In Warhammer, it's instinctively understood that the Orks are aligned with chaos against the imperium. They are so hardwired to believe that "Green iz best!" that they are immune to chaos.

[fringeelements]

The Tau are a subconscious realization for the need a new faction to represent all these brown people. In Europe, it's muslims. In the US, it's hispanics.

Unfortunately, this subconscious "newness" translated into a conscious modality of "high tech". The subconscious attempt to correct this and illuminate the true nature of the new faction is with the Tau's low tech allies the Vesepids. The truth is somewhere between orks and imperial guard. In official colors, the Tau are light brown.

[fringeelements]

The eldar are the "liberal whites". They're white like the imperium (conservative whites), but are declining much faster. The eldar have new age spiritual iconography instead of fundie-christian iconography. On average they're better fighters (smarter) than the typical imperial troop, but are inferior to that elite set of ultra-smart right wingers: the space marines and those various peculiar units best versed in imperial doctrine. Space marines are more prone to chaos.

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@fringeelements Actually considering the British nature of Warhammer, I think the race of the Eldar represent the frustration of a once great Empire having to put up with the ascendancy of a new empire they consider to be bumbling, incompetent, and boorish. Still somewhat sympathetic though. In certain campaigns the Eldar and Empire fight together but they look down on them, and are supremely frustrated that their decline is farther along than the Empire.

[fringeelements]

@AsymmetricalWarfare Well, the Eldar aren't very British. Their iconography is more pagan and spiritual. And since these things are all implicit subconscious archetypes which became popular because they are compelling for reasons people aren't too sure of, I'd say your interpretation is too specific.

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@fringeelements Well, each fantasy has multiple appeals. The paganism and the agelessness of the Eldar and even the name seem to represent something ancient (as compared to the new Empire.) As for the spirituality, well everything is spiritual in 40k. I remember in one book this guy had to pray to a missile to convince it to fire for fuck's sake! I think this has something to do with nostalgia for a time when people had the certainty of religion.

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@AsymmetricalWarfare Also when you brought up the Eldar as too Pagan for the British, I instantly thought of Tolkein. Come to think of it though, I think the Eldar would best be described as Old Europe rather than just Britain. Also I'm not sure about your interpretation of the Tau. I think they represent the Cultural Marxist dream circa 1960. There's such an aura of sunniness to them and yet as open and tolerant as the Tau are they are still in charge.

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@AsymmetricalWarfare The advance tech belongs more in a fantasy like star trek then 40k. Their civilization is also so young they don't seem to be aware of the problems facing the Galaxy. I remember reading one story about how they wiped out this Chaos warband and seemed to literally think their leader was Slaanesh. Again no idea what their getting themselves into and sheer confidence that their sunny attitude and faith in themselves will protect them.

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@AsymmetricalWarfare Furthermore their motto "for the greater good" sounds like Marxism proper. Kind of like what you'd get from some asshole who "went to college" and therefore can fix the world and usher in the great society.

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@AsymmetricalWarfare Any thought on the bugs (Tyranids) and Necrons?

[fringeelements]

@AsymmetricalWarfare Tyranids are influenced by the movie alien. Necrons are just, meh.

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@fringeelements Actually I think Tyranids are more influenced by Starship Troopers. (Have you seen it by the way? It's awesome.) Hell we even called them "bugs". Necrons are interesting though. The bugs were like this too but eventually got replaced by a revamped Necron army.  I think the Necrons represent a total loathing of life and a wish to end it. They can never be killed and the literature sees to treat their extermination of all life as inevitable.

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@AsymmetricalWarfare They also seem somewhat inspired by Terminator.

[fringeelements]

@AsymmetricalWarfare Really? If that really is their motto, then I hate the Tau. There needs to be a coup at Games Workshop and write as canon that everyone gangs up on and destroys the Tau in an unprecedented coordinated attack. Even the chaos and tyranids join the temporary alliance to rid the universe of the insufferable faggotry of the Tau.

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@fringeelements The warlord Darok the Dammed of the World Eaters is reporting for Duty.

Seriously though In the literature the Tau could be wiped out but they're on the fringe of space. They don't know it but they are getting a reprieve. Also in response to what you said about them being about marketing, remember at it's core Warhammer is about marketing a fantasy. Sadly there is a market for their "insufferable faggotry". At leas it gives me something to hate.

[fringeelements]

Well I probably should not have talked about the tau, since I stopped being into warhammer before they showed up. Besides, the Tau weren't part of the "original vision", and so are more subject to market, rather than creative, forces. So I changed my mind, I think the Tau represent a marketing campaign.

[fringeelements]

@AsymmetricalWarfare Well the problem is then who's the imperium? Because the US demographic situation is far worse than europe's. I like my interpretation better. Stop confusing me with these inconvenient facts.

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@fringeelements White people and western civilization as a whole, dominated by the United States. Keep in mind this world was created by British people. The reality of the US is less informative than their perception of it. Also these categories and fantasies can overlap. Furthermore "The Empire" is a massively expansive fantasy. Catachans are not Cadians, neither of whom are Space marines and the Ultramarines are nothing like the Space Wolves or the Salamanders....

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@AsymmetricalWarfare And of course they are certainly not the Sisters of battle (distinctly catholic identity) and sure as hell not an Inquisitorial army. (And by inquisitorial army I am lumping in both radicals and puritans)

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@AsymmetricalWarfare See how much fun this can be? Interestingly enough my friend Paul who is like me in the bizzaro universe played Space Wolves ( hot blooded fast assault somewhat nordic Space marines) and I played World Eaters (Insane Khorne worshiping fast assault Chaos Marines) I just thought that was fun.

[fringeelements]

@AsymmetricalWarfare Certainty, and also the enchantment that the world had. Today, even if we don't know the cause of something, we know there is a material cause.

[xXMetalMeltdownXx]

@AsymmetricalWarfare - Sorry if my commenting has been too intensive, I find 40k very interesting. This is what happens when you make a video analysing the background of a science fiction setting.

[xXMetalMeltdownXx]

@AsymmetricalWarfare - Maybe my interpretations aren't exactly canon, but I like my interpretations. I don't adhere to a normal interpretation of 40k. I ignore the 1000 marine chapter limit and I pretend that most of the conflict is between ships in space and that marines are used as rapid response uber-shock troopers and that they don't use swords and that the imperial guard are used to defeat weak ground forces. I explain away a lot of the more far-fetched background as legends and propaganda.

[xXMetalMeltdownXx]

@AsymmetricalWarfare - Khorne doesn't seem to be very distinct from the other factions. Other factions are very warlike. Other factions decorate things with skulls, perhaps to the same extent. Other factions have blood symbolism. Other factions have red as their main colour. Other factions kill large amounts of people on a whim. I guess the only thing that separates Khorne from other non-chaos factions is that his followers enjoy war... but then again, so do the Orks.

[xXMetalMeltdownXx]

@AsymmetricalWarfare - Khorne represents war, anger and martial skill. Khorne's followers would be angry people who enjoy fighting, war and improving their martial skill. I think this would mean that the typical Khorne follower would be a lot stronger than the typical Nurgle follower.

[xXMetalMeltdownXx]

@AsymmetricalWarfare - Slaanesh represents hedonism, arrogance and pleasure. People worship Slaanesh for these things, it's quite simple. Slaanesh's followers would probably just go around doing raids, accumulating high-quality goods, improving their appearance, raping people, building up mini-empires, doing drugs, partying hard and enjoying fine art. The followers would probably wear some combination of fine silk garments, jewelery, fur and BDSM gear.

[xXMetalMeltdownXx]

@AsymmetricalWarfare - People who follow Tzeentch wittingly spend most of their time in their library/office/"magic room" either studying or issuing orders to their pawns. I think this is why GW made the bulk of the Thousand Sons as Rubric Marines. They wanted to make them seem like pawns.

[xXMetalMeltdownXx]

@AsymmetricalWarfare - Tzeentch represents change, knowledge, sorcery, manipulation, deception and power. I think the people who follow Tzeentch knowingly would be very few in number. They would be very powerful sorcerers and politicians who manipulate others to do their bidding, which would probably just involve accumulating knowledge, power and arcane artifacts. Tzeentch would probably be the least destructive of the main 4 gods as he doesn't strive to have large amounts of people killed.

[xXMetalMeltdownXx]

@AsymmetricalWarfare - I think Nurgle's followers would probably be the weakest because of how they recruit. They would have a large force of disease ridden mutants/dregs armed with anything from a lead pipe to a makeshift firearm to an AK-47 to an RPG and they would ride around in rusty pickup trucks and buses and semi trailers with plates of metal bolted them, covered in spikes, barbed wire and rotting corpses with nurgle symbols spray painted onto the them.

[xXMetalMeltdownXx]

@AsymmetricalWarfare - I think Nurgle's followers wouldn't be malicious to other Nurgle followers and may genuinely like Nurgle, perhaps viewing themselves as part of a family, with Nurgle being like an overbearing patriarch. They aren't malicious to people who don't worship Nurgle, they are just spreading his gifts.

[xXMetalMeltdownXx]

@AsymmetricalWarfare - They join Nurgle to be protected from their illness. They would serve Nurgle by spreading disease, poverty, pestilence, hopelessness etc, thus converting more followers. I'd imagine this could involve anything from a petty cultist covertly destroying peoples' crops to releasing a water-borne disease into the town water supply to the Death Guard infecting an entire planet with a zombie virus.

[xXMetalMeltdownXx]

@AsymmetricalWarfare - I've been thinking about the followers of chaos. Here are some of my opinions. Nurgle represents self-pity, desperation, stagnation, hopelessness, famine, pestilence, disease and decay. I think that most Nurgle followers would join Nurgle in desperation. Maybe they are suffering from some sort of crippling disease (like the Death Guard with the destroyer plague) or their crops failed or they have been diagnosed with a terminal illness.

[nate556]

Concerning racism, once thing i've learned is that there is a white identity, and their is a black identity. I am a white guy. Plain and simple. I can't "be black". So you know what ? I don't even try.

It's not racist at all to see the difference. Racist is how you act on the difference. I do nothing differently. As long as you always deal with a person straight, you'll get along. Cut the bullshit, accept the differences, and you might find a cool ass dude to smoke some grandaddy purp with.

[nate556]

Concerning racism, once thing i've learned is that there is a white identity, and their is a black identity. I am a white guy. Plain and simple. I can't "be black". So you know what ? I don't even try.

It's not racist at all to see the difference. Racist is how you act on the difference. I do nothing differently. As long as you always deal with a person straight, you'll get along. Cut the bullshit, accept the differences, and you might find a cool ass dude to smoke some grandaddy purp with.

[nate556]

Concerning racism, once thing i've learned is that there is a white identity, and their is a black identity. I am a white guy. Plain and simple. I can't "be black". So you know what ? I don't even try. They say something in a black slang i don't understand, I ask for clarity. Sometimes I'll say something really really white and need to translate too.

It's not racist at all to see the difference. Racist is how you act on the difference. I do nothing differently.

[nate556]

The Inquisition and the Ecclesiarchy came after the Horus Heresy. The Emperor didn't have anything to do with that, and none of the Primarchs had anything to do with that. The Emperor wanted humans to grow mentally without the need for religion... but, he made a mistake, because humans tend to create their own religion in the absence of one provided. That's why you have the Machine Cults and the Techpriests. And how Chaos corrupted his Primarchs.

[Stonegolem42]

Holy shit this video is awesome.

[Stonegolem42]

There was at least one black psycher in False Gods.

[Xgya2000]

Gorka Morka FTW,

My army could wreak havoc on all the space marines I ever met. It seems lasers do poorly against machineguns, especially when they outnumber them 200 to 1.

[Fallkenn]

In dawn of war 2, the space marine librarian is black. It makes no sense other than he's suppose to be the obligatory token black guy. I think it's really disappointing.

[StatelessLiberty]

Tau Empire <3

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@StatelessLiberty Words cannot express my sheer and utter desire to wreck you at the gaming tale right now.

[StatelessLiberty]

@AsymmetricalWarfare Lolololololol. btw what's your opinion of dawn of war?

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@StatelessLiberty Kind of a cash in. I preferred chaos gate to be honest. Space marine is shaping up to be decent. Also who's fucked up idea was it to make Warhammer a RTS instead of turn based!?

[StatelessLiberty]

@AsymmetricalWarfare lol just read your conversation with fringeelements. now I feel like a cultural marxist insufferable faggot.

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@StatelessLiberty Lol, well fantasy is subjective. I would actually like to know, what appeals to you about the Tau? Why did you pick them as your army?

[StatelessLiberty]

@AsymmetricalWarfare I don't collect warhammer anymore, but when I did I used to be obsessed with science and technology. they seemed the most high-tech and atheistic. (I know that confirms the whole "insufferable faggotry" hypothesis lol)

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@StatelessLiberty No not really. Truth be told a big part of chaos Daemons (started with fantasy and went to chaos in 40k because I could use a lot of the same models) was because I like small elite forces over wave after wave of disposable people.

[snakebitgoat]

Deryk you're starting to be more and more awesome

[crankeeprepper]

I used to play rolemaster by I.C.E., best time in my life but also a total reflection of our little group and a larger (white nerd) society.. seen that warhammer game/guys when I get my comics at the store, great intro for novice

[Fangtorn]

I actually think the Ecclesiarchy owes a lot of its imagery to the Eastern Orthodox Church, especially in the way 40k priests dress.

In the Black Library work theres a few non-white characters. A minority, but there's nothing established in the 40k mythology that says there can't be or aren't any non-whites. Although i once read a long post somewhere that argued since billions of humans live inside thousands of dark teeming hives for millenia it isn't surprise most are white.

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@Fangtorn Yea I know it's never ever stated but if you took at the artwork it's very very rare to see anything but white people.

[nate556]

@AsymmetricalWarfare The Catachan Devils aren't that white. You'll find a lot of non-whites in the Imperial Guard.

The Emperor didn't found the religion, he was atheistic. Before the heresy, it was illegal to worship the Emperor. It was actually the small cult lodges that popped up in the Legions that were the first corrupted by Chaos. World Eaters and the Word Bearers were pretty religious that first turned to Chaos.

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@MrHerrIQ2 Now excuse me while I play videogames for hours on end.

[sobored671]

i heard there were chaos gods that were essentially /d/

i became interested slightly

[MensRifleAssociation]

interesting video. I have also observed that certain ethnicities gravitate toward certain activities.

I go skiing every year, we often play "spot the non-white" - yep, thats how few there are, typical day you might see 5 non-whites. Amazing. And I don't know why.

On the other hand, I go to the gym every week, I walk past the badminton court - every player on there is far-east, every frickin one. Whats up with that?

[breakinmedia]

That is the computer game Dawn of war, where they are politically correct. there is also a black librarian in DOW2 which doesn't make any sense. Don't see how it would be part of the blood ravens chapters gene seed.Salamanders are not African, they have coal black skin with white eyes.from the volcano planet nocturne. White scars yeap definitely mongol. Pretty sure Tallern Desert raiders are based of the British desert rats in WW2

[xXMetalMeltdownXx]

@breakinmedia - Well, the space marines are recruited from various worlds and have the gene seed surgically implanted into them in some way, IIRC. The African looking librarian doesn't violate the background. He could have been recruited from a world of black people or he could have been a black person on a white-majority world.

[breakinmedia]

@xXMetalMeltdownXx plausible, but they don't recruit from different worlds. Each chapter recurcuits from one home world a recruiting planet. So the black minority would be the only option lol I just think they did that to be PC. Looked on the GW website saw the model that looks vaguely like a black dude. Then made a really African looking librarian.

[breakinmedia]

@breakinmedia ahhh your right some chapters do recruit from different planets ,need to look up my warhammer universe it been a while ha

[OccidentalDefender]

Implicit White identity. Realising that Whites cluster around specific cultural or intellectual movements is an important aspect in pointing how race isn't just skin deep; it's beyond merely a biological construct. It comes with its own separate conglomerate of identities. The evolutionary psychologist Kevin MacDonald talks about this kind of thing a lot; you should check him out.

[Aurini]

I've long thought that science fiction was of the mind, while fantasy was of the soul.

I'm going to have to look into warhammer; I was always a D&D nerd. This sounds fascinating. I completely agree with you about the reflections on white culture - it's no accident.

So strange that many would view this as hateful.

[MirageScience]

white phenomena? Minarchism

lol

[xXMetalMeltdownXx]

The humans are overwhelmingly white. There are quite a few non-whites. There is an African-looking inquisitor in one of the DoW games. The White Scars legion are based on the Mongols. The Salamanders have black skin. The Tallarn desert raiders look sort of Arabic.

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@xXMetalMeltdownXx Yea there were psykers and and heavy artillery in a Khorne army in one of the DOW games. So yea they kind of mess up a lot of the mythology >.<. Also I'm googling the Salamanders Chapter, Their skin is literally black right? Facial structure still seems European. Oh and the Tallarns if I recall mostly dress in Desert gear. Lot of Imperial (British) regiments uniforms had a native flair.

[xXMetalMeltdownXx]

@AsymmetricalWarfare - The Salamanders are pretty much just Europeans with charcoal skin. They aren't negroes, I just thought that I would mention that because they seem to differ from the standard europoid. I'm not sure about the Tallarn desert raiders, I have seen them presented in different ways. Sometimes people make them look Arabic and other times they look like whites in middle-eastern desert gear, either way, the Arabic aesthetic still seems to be there.

[xXMetalMeltdownXx]

@AsymmetricalWarfare - I'm also thinking about the Thousand Sons chapter. They are very Egyptian looking. I'm not sure about their race, but they definitely have an Ancient Egyptian look. Prospero is very Egyptian looking, it's covered pyramids. The Thousand Sons have those weird Egyptian hats with the horizontal stripes and they even had a division called "The Scarab Occult".

[xXMetalMeltdownXx]

@AsymmetricalWarfare - And I know the Ancient Egyptians were sort of white-looking, but they aren't exactly what you think of as "white identity"

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@xXMetalMeltdownXx Umm the Thousand Suns are dust trapped in power Armour. 

[xXMetalMeltdownXx]

@AsymmetricalWarfare - Not all of them are dust. Only Thousand Sons with little to no psychic power were converted to rubric marines. Prior to the Rubric of Ahriman, none of them were dust.

[xXMetalMeltdownXx]

@AsymmetricalWarfare - The limited presence of non whites is exactly that... limited. Your point is still valid. Whites are overrepresented in Warhammer 40,000. It's because Warhammer isn't normal sci-fi, it's fantasy in space. Fantasy is very Eurocentric, thus, it features lots of white people. Most of the IoM is very European. The Ecclesiarchy is based on the Catholic Church. The Inquisition is based on the Inquisitions. A majority of the IoM factions are European-based.

[13baldjj]

@AsymmetricalWarfare Would you be able to do a video on 'World of Darkness' and/or 'Vampire: The Masquerade' lore? I loved Vampire Bloodlines (PC) but I never bought any of lore books...

[xXMetalMeltdownXx]

@AsymmetricalWarfare - Also, the Ratskins from Necromunda seem to be based on the Northern Amerindians. They are lead by a chieftain, they also have Totem Warriors and Braves. Maybe they don't look like Amerindians, but there is some semblance of Northern Amerindian aesthetics/themes in there.

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@xXMetalMeltdownXx True, still it all seems to be in a very British context and through the perspective of white Britons. It always freaks me out when I hear Greenskins speak with British accents.

[MirageScience]

your videos make me thirsty, just saying

[Fangtorn]

I only subscribed to you recently and had no idea you were a warhammer fan. Intriguing.

There are non-white characters in 40k, but few and far between, and rarely main characters. Most of the black 40k characters I can think of come from Dan Abnett's work.

[reapfreak]

If fantasy can show who you are than I'm fucked. I'm the kind of person who loves the Cardassians most of all in Star Trek, I sympathize most with the apes in Planet of the Apes (especially Zaius), and join Caesar's Legion in New Vegas.

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@reapfreak Lol, yea, I love the Cardassians too. I always went independent in Vegas though. I HATE the anti-technology ethos of the Legion. Also it always pissed me off that no Fallout game let you play as an enclave member.

[Aurini]

@reapfreak If not for the anarchy option, Caesar's Legion is the clearest 'not evil' option in my book - wearing a pretty face doesn't make the NCR the good guys.

[AsymmetricalWarfare]

@Aurini Yea I know they suck, but the Legion!? I just can't get past the whole anti tech thing. Oh and the mass rape, slave raids and whatnot.

[Aurini]

@AsymmetricalWarfare I don't *completely* agree with Caeser's policies, but he recognizes the frailty of most humans - I think his program grants the greatest possibility of producing a strong, stable culture.

Also, remember that the 'slavery' you witness is only one side of the story. While I'm against slavery as a general economic principle, historically it wasn't the incredible evil we see it as today.

NCR, on the other hand, is destined to start another nuclear war.

[nate556]

@reapfreak Man, the Cardassians are bunch of backstabbing bastards! Fuck the Cardassians, and fuck their funky ass neck ridges!

[SheyOneTen]

40k and White Identity; it's like you read my mind.