couldn't give a rats arse about jimmy or Obama all the same to me, america has no left, it is right or far right and two faces of the same coin.
But lets just look at this silly left and right divide that you talk about, clinton supposed left gave bush the biggest surplus in US history and in 8 short years those right wing idiots turned that in to biggest deficit, wow couldn't achieve that had i planed it. what a bunch of fools you and your ilk are!
@iraaus First of all, let's define "left" and "right". "left" is typically shorthand for liberal. "right" is typically shorthand for conservative. For now, based on the context of your comment, I'll assume "left", or "liberal" to mean someone who favors intervention by government, be it economically, domestically, or internationally. For conservatives, vice versa. Supposing these definitions were true, would we not be facing a "left vs. left" crisis, rather than right vs. right?
Nice conversation, although i agree with what you say in the classic sense of your word but don't forget when we have corporations running our governments then we have facsism and that is far right, it looks left as it is all those things you say, but it isn't, As you know the classic left would never give the tax payers money to bail out the big corporations, as it is true for the even centre right, it is only the far right that would do that and have big government & control
@iraaus You had it right in your first post when you were talking about the political subversions and secret operations conducted by Western powers in countries not only in the Middle East but across the world. The left and right argument hides the more important issues. Gulf of Tonkin incident was a lie that America used to begin the Vietnam War. Osama living right next to a military base in Pakistan is something the CIA didn't know? Ridiculous. The British have conducted far greater schemes.
@iraaus To further my argument, I challenge you to find one study of credible origins that references the "right" as the tax-and-spend party. Granted, at one time the two parties stood in opposition to one another, one deeply entrenched in fiscal, domestic, and foreign policy conservatism, and the other far more liberal. These days liberalism is rampant. We see interventionism via stimulus spending (economic) and internationally (war, declared or not, sanctions, threats, militaristic flexing,etc
@iraaus The differentiating factor between the GOP (the supposed heirs of the "right" legacy) and the democrats (heirs of the "left") is in domestic policy. While both parties have no issue squandering our freedoms via bills like the PATRIOT Act, SOPA, the controversial clauses of the NDAA, etc. it is only the "right" that still panders to the 50+ "I'm-too-old-to-change-my-ways" crowd. This is a dying breed, voting on dying beliefs (because the world has become better educated).
As I said, you are simply spinning. When was that photo taken? And does that photo proof that the U.S. wanted him to kill Kurds? What fantasy world do you live in? Your arguments are just laughable.
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
There has always been something about this guy that I have never trusted.
He talks about respect of sovereignty without mentionning British troops in Iraq (killing 1 million iraquis, and extra killing of 1.5 million with embargo).
He mentions Buenos Aires. Well, Argentina has never formally accused anyone, but Hannan has inside information that allows him to do so.
This is why the EU works, because the opposition to the EUSSR is embodied in fake people like Hannan.
@MrVocalBaby Hannan is far from fake, and he is against a centralised EU government. He's talking about all of Europe being in Iraq when he mentions more respect for borders. Do some research into Hannan, he's a very smart and just man.
In 1953 it was that very Embassy that carried out operation AJAX in order to subjugate the Iranian nation to 25 years of dictatorship and western concessions, please Mr Hannan tell us who was it that didn't respect the sanctity of other peoples rights? Maybe some could argue the invasion of Iraq on a lie pretext is yet another example of Western imperial intentions even today, you Mr Hannan certainly don't hold the moral high ground on this!
@iraaus Western imperial intentions? Buy yourself a dictionary! You don't know what "imperial" means. The invasion of Iraq resulted in the removal of a brutal dictator that was killing Iraqis and Kurds on a daily basis as his sons raped school children whenever they desired. This removal was at the expense of the west, which really got nothing in return. And you are comparing this to the Iranian revolution, which resulted in subjugation and repression of the Iranian people? You are an idiot!
who are you kidding, who was giving saddam the weapons when he was killing the Kurds, who gave him the political cover at UN and who was making deals with him.
My heart bleeds for your bull but that is exactly what it is!
@iraaus Talk about spinning the facts to suit you ideology! What a load of crap! The U.S. gave him the weapons to fight Iran NOT to kill the Kurds, which he did long after he became an enemy of the U.S. And it wasn't the U.S. who was doing deals with Saddam. It was the French and the Germans. Where on earth do you get your news? This is common knowledge! You are so misinformed it's pathetic.
@iraaus I can probably dig up a photo of Neville Chamberlain shaking hands with Hitler. Does that mean he wanted Hitler to Kill Jews? LOL photos as proof!
@iraaus I'v also got a picture of Jimmy Carter having a grand old time with Hosni Mubarak, so I guess your left-wing hero wanted Mubarak to throw political opponents in jail without trials and murder Egyptian protesters. Actions that made your other left-wing hero, Obama, drop bombs on Mubarak! lol You are so typical of the confused, ignorant left. Making you look like a fool is a piece of cake.
@MrFreeLibertarian Stop concerning yourself with terms. You're right the war in iraq and afghanistan seem to have no returns yet now the US is able to use Iraq as a base of operations in the middle east. US still has troops in Japan and up till now had 80K troops even in Europe. We have the most bases across the world, we've been shoving our companies from fast food to oil into other countries, and much more. The high ground cannot be taken in human rights or business ethics.
@MrFreeLibertarian I will concede that the systems in Western countries are more fair and lax upon its citizenry in comparison to the dictatorial regimes abroad. In that respect, Western nations are far more advanced. I could write papers on the cultural flaws existent within many Middle Eastern countries without even touching their religion. However, the masses, including both you and me, are unawares of the sinister games being played upon them and upon foreign nations.
where is everyone.this is shameful.such an important topic.what is the attendance?shame.God bless Mr.Hannan.
azandhind4eva 1 month ago
couldn't give a rats arse about jimmy or Obama all the same to me, america has no left, it is right or far right and two faces of the same coin.
But lets just look at this silly left and right divide that you talk about, clinton supposed left gave bush the biggest surplus in US history and in 8 short years those right wing idiots turned that in to biggest deficit, wow couldn't achieve that had i planed it. what a bunch of fools you and your ilk are!
iraaus 2 months ago
@iraaus First of all, let's define "left" and "right". "left" is typically shorthand for liberal. "right" is typically shorthand for conservative. For now, based on the context of your comment, I'll assume "left", or "liberal" to mean someone who favors intervention by government, be it economically, domestically, or internationally. For conservatives, vice versa. Supposing these definitions were true, would we not be facing a "left vs. left" crisis, rather than right vs. right?
paradigmentropy 2 months ago
@paradigmentropy
Nice conversation, although i agree with what you say in the classic sense of your word but don't forget when we have corporations running our governments then we have facsism and that is far right, it looks left as it is all those things you say, but it isn't, As you know the classic left would never give the tax payers money to bail out the big corporations, as it is true for the even centre right, it is only the far right that would do that and have big government & control
iraaus 2 months ago
@iraaus You're wrong. The "classic left" nationalized industries. It is the same thing, and mincing words to get around it is just... ridiculous.
daPlumber702 1 month ago
@iraaus You had it right in your first post when you were talking about the political subversions and secret operations conducted by Western powers in countries not only in the Middle East but across the world. The left and right argument hides the more important issues. Gulf of Tonkin incident was a lie that America used to begin the Vietnam War. Osama living right next to a military base in Pakistan is something the CIA didn't know? Ridiculous. The British have conducted far greater schemes.
benomind 2 weeks ago
@iraaus To further my argument, I challenge you to find one study of credible origins that references the "right" as the tax-and-spend party. Granted, at one time the two parties stood in opposition to one another, one deeply entrenched in fiscal, domestic, and foreign policy conservatism, and the other far more liberal. These days liberalism is rampant. We see interventionism via stimulus spending (economic) and internationally (war, declared or not, sanctions, threats, militaristic flexing,etc
paradigmentropy 2 months ago
@iraaus The differentiating factor between the GOP (the supposed heirs of the "right" legacy) and the democrats (heirs of the "left") is in domestic policy. While both parties have no issue squandering our freedoms via bills like the PATRIOT Act, SOPA, the controversial clauses of the NDAA, etc. it is only the "right" that still panders to the 50+ "I'm-too-old-to-change-my-ways" crowd. This is a dying breed, voting on dying beliefs (because the world has become better educated).
paradigmentropy 2 months ago
As I said, you are simply spinning. When was that photo taken? And does that photo proof that the U.S. wanted him to kill Kurds? What fantasy world do you live in? Your arguments are just laughable.
MrFreeLibertarian 2 months ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
There has always been something about this guy that I have never trusted.
He talks about respect of sovereignty without mentionning British troops in Iraq (killing 1 million iraquis, and extra killing of 1.5 million with embargo).
He mentions Buenos Aires. Well, Argentina has never formally accused anyone, but Hannan has inside information that allows him to do so.
This is why the EU works, because the opposition to the EUSSR is embodied in fake people like Hannan.
MrVocalBaby 1 year ago
@MrVocalBaby Hannan is far from fake, and he is against a centralised EU government. He's talking about all of Europe being in Iraq when he mentions more respect for borders. Do some research into Hannan, he's a very smart and just man.
Joshnotchuck 3 months ago
In 1953 it was that very Embassy that carried out operation AJAX in order to subjugate the Iranian nation to 25 years of dictatorship and western concessions, please Mr Hannan tell us who was it that didn't respect the sanctity of other peoples rights? Maybe some could argue the invasion of Iraq on a lie pretext is yet another example of Western imperial intentions even today, you Mr Hannan certainly don't hold the moral high ground on this!
iraaus 1 year ago
@iraaus Western imperial intentions? Buy yourself a dictionary! You don't know what "imperial" means. The invasion of Iraq resulted in the removal of a brutal dictator that was killing Iraqis and Kurds on a daily basis as his sons raped school children whenever they desired. This removal was at the expense of the west, which really got nothing in return. And you are comparing this to the Iranian revolution, which resulted in subjugation and repression of the Iranian people? You are an idiot!
MrFreeLibertarian 2 months ago
@MrFreeLibertarian
who are you kidding, who was giving saddam the weapons when he was killing the Kurds, who gave him the political cover at UN and who was making deals with him.
My heart bleeds for your bull but that is exactly what it is!
iraaus 2 months ago
@iraaus Talk about spinning the facts to suit you ideology! What a load of crap! The U.S. gave him the weapons to fight Iran NOT to kill the Kurds, which he did long after he became an enemy of the U.S. And it wasn't the U.S. who was doing deals with Saddam. It was the French and the Germans. Where on earth do you get your news? This is common knowledge! You are so misinformed it's pathetic.
MrFreeLibertarian 2 months ago
@MrFreeLibertarian
lol spinning, really the photo of your rightwing hero Rumsfeld shaking hands with him.Was not true.
Keep your right wing crap fool, your ilk are the cancer of this world!
iraaus 2 months ago
@iraaus I can probably dig up a photo of Neville Chamberlain shaking hands with Hitler. Does that mean he wanted Hitler to Kill Jews? LOL photos as proof!
MrFreeLibertarian 2 months ago
@iraaus I'v also got a picture of Jimmy Carter having a grand old time with Hosni Mubarak, so I guess your left-wing hero wanted Mubarak to throw political opponents in jail without trials and murder Egyptian protesters. Actions that made your other left-wing hero, Obama, drop bombs on Mubarak! lol You are so typical of the confused, ignorant left. Making you look like a fool is a piece of cake.
MrFreeLibertarian 2 months ago
@MrFreeLibertarian Stop concerning yourself with terms. You're right the war in iraq and afghanistan seem to have no returns yet now the US is able to use Iraq as a base of operations in the middle east. US still has troops in Japan and up till now had 80K troops even in Europe. We have the most bases across the world, we've been shoving our companies from fast food to oil into other countries, and much more. The high ground cannot be taken in human rights or business ethics.
benomind 2 weeks ago
@MrFreeLibertarian I will concede that the systems in Western countries are more fair and lax upon its citizenry in comparison to the dictatorial regimes abroad. In that respect, Western nations are far more advanced. I could write papers on the cultural flaws existent within many Middle Eastern countries without even touching their religion. However, the masses, including both you and me, are unawares of the sinister games being played upon them and upon foreign nations.
benomind 2 weeks ago
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iraaus 1 year ago