@xchesskingx Try Ronald Hutton's excellent book on the druids and their customs. Also, Miranda Green is a world expert on celtic/druid culture and these two are definately not fluffy in any way.
I believe, the origins of druidism possibly DID come from the bronze age. There's no archaeological evidence of huge Iron age celtic migrations to Britain,so presumably its roots were earlier. The Romans believed it originated in Britain, not the continent. interestingly, one way of druid sacrifice was to shoot the victim with arrows. Now iron age 'celts' did not much use bows. However, bronze age people did--and there was a young man buried at Stonehenge c2300 BC who had been shot by arrows
@sonofherne You can believe what ever you want but facts do not lie, Proto-Celtics came from the Hallstatt Austria culture from 6th century BC by 275 BC the Hallstatt expanded to Britain, Spain, France, and became what the Romans referred to as the Gauls, which is what you are referring to as the Atlantic seaboard. Your time line and facts are incorrect if you want to admit it or not.
@thermo1984 Not to the British Isles they didn't, however you want to deny it! This is my area of study and I work with some of the top names in the field. It has been known for twenty years there was no celtic invasion, the dna doesn't match. there are no artefacts. If these people came they left no traces other than the culture we wrongly name "celtic." 1000's lived in the isles prior to the 6th c. What do you suppose happened to them - Did they evaporate? LoL
@sonofherne Talking with you is like talking with a wall, if these things were known and these so called experts were right why does every major encyclopedia say that there was a Celtic invasion between 600bc to 100bc? How can these languages 'arrive' in the Bronze age as you said and the customs, practices and eventually descendants not? Therefore leading to the passing on of the Celtic culture over hundreds of years. You are contradicting your own story and you are too stubborn to see it.
Do you believe everything written on paper.Perhaps you read The Sun & think everything is true? Many encyclopedias were written decades ago & the misinformation has just crossed over. This has only been apparent in the last 10 years & confirms what a growing group of archaeo's believed, that there was no celtic invasion. Please explain how our dna matches to that of Iberia than Europe! Spanish must be all Europeans too. Prior to Romans they were celtic speaking. What you say doesn't make sense.
@thermo1984 100 years ago you would have laughed if I'd told you that Stonehenge was neolithic & not built by druids. That is what they believed & what was written in many books. It doesn't make it true. The Anglo Saxon "invasion" never happened either in the way it was often presented. Sadly all too many people, including students, chose to do their research on the net these days, which is full of dis information. Even today you find sites on Stonehenge with dates hundreds of years out.
@sonofherne You're a waste of time, I could tell from our first conversation that you were a conspiracy nut. I'm glad I proved it. Your comment about books and information is the exact comment the Nazis made before they started the book burnings, which is the same reason why we had the dark ages. When people turn from established knowledge without showing facts or proof of what they say mankind goes backwards I never made one comment about Stonehenge comprehend what I am saying.
@sonofherne That’s the main problem with people like you, there is only one person you listen to and that’s yourself. To sit and blatantly say the Irish and Scots are not descendant from Celts and the Saxons never invaded Britain is absurd and laughable have fun with your 20 friends who believe you, the rest of society will move forward with reality and facts, welcome to my ignore list hope you have fun, I'm done with you wasting my time.
@thermo1984 You've proved nothing. All you do is twist the facts & accuse others of doing what you're doing. No invasions.Gradual immigration. Cultural superiority isn't genetic superiority. You will find absolutely no evidence people have been wiped out as you claim. Show me the bodies. You're playing in the adult arena now, so every step you take be prepared that you'll be asked to prove your theories, and people won't be brow beaten just because you say it is.
@thermo1984 Nope. I'm correct. You're facts are out dated and you're either blind or purposely not wanting to believe the facts because of your own conditioning and beliefs. Remove the rose tinted glasses, the world is much clearer when you let go of dogma. I'm saddened for you.
The Jews built it. They prayed for deliverance and God sent them to the desert, where they could find a place with no rocks. What ! - You think they built the pyramids , and God delivered them from bondage in Egypt. Conveniently, right after the Pyramids, were finished? RIGHT!!!!
The English returned to the beliefs of their ancestors Britons! This is the renaissance of Celtic culture in England! So after more than a millennium of acculturation since the arrival of Germanic invaders, the descendants of the Britons show that contrary to what was said by official propaganda, they had not been exterminated and cons unexpectedly decide to live the culture of their ancestors as this one it was in their genes.
It wasn't just a place for druids - anyone had the right t go there to worship. The druids often conducted ceremonies there, but so did shamans and local villagers.
Yeah your info is not really correct if you are using the term "Old Europeans" to describe the 'Germans' I think you need to rethink that comment after looking through migration patterns of B.C. into A.D. Celts did not just magically appear on the British Islands and then migrate out. Celts migrated to the Islands. Tell me this what were Celts called previous and where did they come from? Being that the earliest Celtic archaeological site was in Austria your comment makes zero sense.
@thermo1984 Yes I was using that term to represent the Old Europeans. I am a student of T.G.E. Powell - that is where I get my info. I never said that the Celts "appeared" on the British Isles. The Celts came from Greece or Spain (maybe both), but what I was saying concerned only the British Isles, not any other cultures such as Hallstatt or La Tene. I think you misread my comments. My screen name used to be "oldescot" until someone hacked my account on facebook.
@thermo1984 .The genetic evidence is that the earliest peoples of the British Isles came from the Atlantic seaboard, mainly Iberia and northern France. There is NO evidence of huge 'celtic' migrations from central Europe,archaeological or otherwise. The celtic languages appear to have arrived in the bronze age, probably through the metal trade.
of course it was built by whoever was in power, but it was someone's punishment to build it, perhaps a captured raiding party, and if they fucked with the priest, of course they would have them build something of grey stone to look at the now bleak sky, whether or not the priest agreed with it it was someone's punishment to build it regardless
Druids came to England at 600 BC or something like this, Stonehedge is much older, at least 5000 years, theory debunked..., why make a video about it ?
It´s like explaining that the "earth is a disk"-theory is wrong.
Unless the Druids existed in Western Europe before the Indo-European Celtic expansion into the region. Perhaps the high preist class were always called 'Druids'. Just throwing that out there.
What evidence do you have that Druids came to England at 600BC? Britain was the centre of the Druids world, which implies it pre-dates the Celtic invasion circa 900BC.
What makes you think Britain was the centre of the Druid world? Britain and Ireland were populated by seperate Celtic peoples the p and the q type Celtic language indicate this. As for the Welsh (Origional Britons) and Irish we know that they spread from Western Europe and the Iberian peninsula so while they brought their cultures with them they were still merely offshoot cultures of the then proto celtic people in Gaul. To say Britain was centre of their world is nonsense.
Both the Greeks and Romans wrote that Britain was the centre of the Druids world. People came from all over Europe to Britain to learn druidism. If you want more info, Tacitus on Britain is a good read.
Well now, The Greeks refered to Ireland and Britain as Britain. Briton being 'Greater Briton' and Ireland 'lesser Briton' As for the Romans well they conquered modern England and Wales and never invaded Scotland or Ireland so their opinion on Britains position as centre of the druidic religion is inacurate since they really did'nt know what they were on about. The Roman Empire was in decline and archeological evidence has shown that while roman coinage has been found at Knowth, Newgrange and
more importantly the hill of Tara, There is no other evidence of Romans in Ireland. The fact is the Romans were not capable of mounting an attack on the Picts in Scotland or the Gaels in Ireland. Irelands military position at that time when you consider Nial of the nine hostages, the Irish raids in Wales and Northern England and the domination/asimilation of the Picts after the Romans left Britain, it is far more likely Ireland was the centre of power.
It must also be said that while people speak of centre of power it implies the 'druids' had an empire. This is nonsense. It was a common belief and system of law. Brehon law. Military power and might seems to have been stronger in Ireland at that time. That is not a matter of national pride, merely based on the facts we KNOW. As for POWER well the Welsh language and Gaelic language are quite different which means they evolved quite seperately so this sugests that power sharing did not cross the
sea. Certainly there is certainly no mention of it in the Dinseanchas, Book of invasions, book of Leinster or the annals of Ulster. Ireland and the island of Britain were completely seperate entities. Fact is the Romans had no experience of us other than they looked at the Picts in Scotland and built a wall to keep them out. They looked at us and thought 'more of of the same' and realised they had not the resources to mount a campaign since Rome was implodeing. The druids were the Brehons and
reciters of poetry. If you are familiar with the Brehon system you will understand that their position in society was that of social control. The power belonged to the people. The chieftan was the protector of the people. elected by the people. deposed by the people. Contoling the people was the key... thus military might sugests where real control actually lay...
@thedirtyfecker The Romans certainly did invade what is modern day Scotland, and they would doubtless have succeeded in conquering it if they had not had to withdraw a legion to help fight the Dacians. Its more likely they never bothered again because they were more interested in arable land and mining. The Romans estimated they could conquer what is now Ireland with a single legion. Probably a good thing for them they never tried!
@Swindondruid True, but the Romans could barely hold off the Picts and Caledonii. Nothing will scare a Roman more than to see a muscular Celt painted blue but wearing nothing in combat while busting through Roman ranks with a battleaxe.
@thedirtyfecker Actually, two Irish tribes known as Desi and Feni made settlements in Wales. The Desi settled in lowered Wales as the kingdom of Dyfed, and the Feni settled in Gwynedd. These tribes made peace with native Priteni who were forced into Wales by the Romans under Agricola. What is not clear though, is if these tribes adopted the language of the natives, or mixed both their own with the native language. Dyfed lasted until the seventh century AD.
@thedirtyfecker What?! Both islands of Ireland and Scotland were known as the Pretannic Islands, and that name (as well as 'Priteni' and 'Pritani') is without a doubt genuinely Celtic. It survives in modern Welsh now as 'Prydain'. The reason why we mistakenly say "Briton", or "Britannia" is from a Latin misconception of the native name 'Pritani'.
@Swindondruid Yes, but only because Christians were forcing the Celts to convert. The Romans feared rebellion among the Pritani and kept much of the Celtic way of life the same. Even when Christianty came to the Pretanic Islands, it took a long time to convert the natives.
@thedirtyfecker Right on! Heck, I don't why people come to the common misconception that "Celts" are only from the Pretanic Islands - the Belgae and Gauls were definitely Celts, as were all the cultures of Europe except (duh) the Romans and the 'Old Europeans' (Germans).
@Swindondruid .what celtic invasion? There's no archaeological or genetic evidence of any such thing,other than the Belgae, if you can call that an invasion,and possibly the Parisi and a few other small tribes. Ireland had even less outside input than Britain; the iron age grew out of the bronze age.
To reiterate Swindondruid's point - there is no evidence to suggest that druidism was a foreign import though the religion was certainly not exclusive to Britain, it was practiced over most of western Europe. However, Julius Caesar tells us that the druid's religion originated in Britain and that they were astronomers. It may be then that their astronomy was passed down from their megalithic ancestors.
No, the Druids didn't build Stonehenge, but they almost certainly used it in their rites - and still do :).
celticbattleaxe 2 weeks ago
is there any real good info about the druids its like trying to get info about the illuminati i wonder if they are connected
xchesskingx 6 months ago
@xchesskingx Try Ronald Hutton's excellent book on the druids and their customs. Also, Miranda Green is a world expert on celtic/druid culture and these two are definately not fluffy in any way.
sonofherne 6 months ago
I believe, the origins of druidism possibly DID come from the bronze age. There's no archaeological evidence of huge Iron age celtic migrations to Britain,so presumably its roots were earlier. The Romans believed it originated in Britain, not the continent. interestingly, one way of druid sacrifice was to shoot the victim with arrows. Now iron age 'celts' did not much use bows. However, bronze age people did--and there was a young man buried at Stonehenge c2300 BC who had been shot by arrows
sonofherne 8 months ago
@sonofherne You can believe what ever you want but facts do not lie, Proto-Celtics came from the Hallstatt Austria culture from 6th century BC by 275 BC the Hallstatt expanded to Britain, Spain, France, and became what the Romans referred to as the Gauls, which is what you are referring to as the Atlantic seaboard. Your time line and facts are incorrect if you want to admit it or not.
thermo1984 8 months ago
@thermo1984 Not to the British Isles they didn't, however you want to deny it! This is my area of study and I work with some of the top names in the field. It has been known for twenty years there was no celtic invasion, the dna doesn't match. there are no artefacts. If these people came they left no traces other than the culture we wrongly name "celtic." 1000's lived in the isles prior to the 6th c. What do you suppose happened to them - Did they evaporate? LoL
sonofherne 8 months ago
@sonofherne Talking with you is like talking with a wall, if these things were known and these so called experts were right why does every major encyclopedia say that there was a Celtic invasion between 600bc to 100bc? How can these languages 'arrive' in the Bronze age as you said and the customs, practices and eventually descendants not? Therefore leading to the passing on of the Celtic culture over hundreds of years. You are contradicting your own story and you are too stubborn to see it.
thermo1984 8 months ago
Do you believe everything written on paper.Perhaps you read The Sun & think everything is true? Many encyclopedias were written decades ago & the misinformation has just crossed over. This has only been apparent in the last 10 years & confirms what a growing group of archaeo's believed, that there was no celtic invasion. Please explain how our dna matches to that of Iberia than Europe! Spanish must be all Europeans too. Prior to Romans they were celtic speaking. What you say doesn't make sense.
sonofherne 8 months ago
@thermo1984 100 years ago you would have laughed if I'd told you that Stonehenge was neolithic & not built by druids. That is what they believed & what was written in many books. It doesn't make it true. The Anglo Saxon "invasion" never happened either in the way it was often presented. Sadly all too many people, including students, chose to do their research on the net these days, which is full of dis information. Even today you find sites on Stonehenge with dates hundreds of years out.
sonofherne 8 months ago
@sonofherne You're a waste of time, I could tell from our first conversation that you were a conspiracy nut. I'm glad I proved it. Your comment about books and information is the exact comment the Nazis made before they started the book burnings, which is the same reason why we had the dark ages. When people turn from established knowledge without showing facts or proof of what they say mankind goes backwards I never made one comment about Stonehenge comprehend what I am saying.
thermo1984 7 months ago
@thermo1984 lOl
sonofherne 6 months ago
@sonofherne That’s the main problem with people like you, there is only one person you listen to and that’s yourself. To sit and blatantly say the Irish and Scots are not descendant from Celts and the Saxons never invaded Britain is absurd and laughable have fun with your 20 friends who believe you, the rest of society will move forward with reality and facts, welcome to my ignore list hope you have fun, I'm done with you wasting my time.
thermo1984 7 months ago
@thermo1984 You've proved nothing. All you do is twist the facts & accuse others of doing what you're doing. No invasions.Gradual immigration. Cultural superiority isn't genetic superiority. You will find absolutely no evidence people have been wiped out as you claim. Show me the bodies. You're playing in the adult arena now, so every step you take be prepared that you'll be asked to prove your theories, and people won't be brow beaten just because you say it is.
sonofherne 6 months ago
@thermo1984 Nope. I'm correct. You're facts are out dated and you're either blind or purposely not wanting to believe the facts because of your own conditioning and beliefs. Remove the rose tinted glasses, the world is much clearer when you let go of dogma. I'm saddened for you.
sonofherne 6 months ago
The Jews built it. They prayed for deliverance and God sent them to the desert, where they could find a place with no rocks. What ! - You think they built the pyramids , and God delivered them from bondage in Egypt. Conveniently, right after the Pyramids, were finished? RIGHT!!!!
homskoult 9 months ago
The English returned to the beliefs of their ancestors Britons! This is the renaissance of Celtic culture in England! So after more than a millennium of acculturation since the arrival of Germanic invaders, the descendants of the Britons show that contrary to what was said by official propaganda, they had not been exterminated and cons unexpectedly decide to live the culture of their ancestors as this one it was in their genes.
espoire1757 1 year ago
It wasn't just a place for druids - anyone had the right t go there to worship. The druids often conducted ceremonies there, but so did shamans and local villagers.
celticbattleaxe 1 year ago
Yeah your info is not really correct if you are using the term "Old Europeans" to describe the 'Germans' I think you need to rethink that comment after looking through migration patterns of B.C. into A.D. Celts did not just magically appear on the British Islands and then migrate out. Celts migrated to the Islands. Tell me this what were Celts called previous and where did they come from? Being that the earliest Celtic archaeological site was in Austria your comment makes zero sense.
thermo1984 1 year ago
@thermo1984 Yes I was using that term to represent the Old Europeans. I am a student of T.G.E. Powell - that is where I get my info. I never said that the Celts "appeared" on the British Isles. The Celts came from Greece or Spain (maybe both), but what I was saying concerned only the British Isles, not any other cultures such as Hallstatt or La Tene. I think you misread my comments. My screen name used to be "oldescot" until someone hacked my account on facebook.
celticbattleaxe 1 year ago
@thermo1984 .The genetic evidence is that the earliest peoples of the British Isles came from the Atlantic seaboard, mainly Iberia and northern France. There is NO evidence of huge 'celtic' migrations from central Europe,archaeological or otherwise. The celtic languages appear to have arrived in the bronze age, probably through the metal trade.
sonofherne 8 months ago
Grüße aus der Oberlausitz!
Goetterhand 2 years ago
everyone knows it was build by aliens doh 0.o
voskuh12 2 years ago
stfu please
nemississ 2 years ago
MPP was my lecturer in roman and iron age archaeology at sheffield university!
psychobollox 2 years ago 2
druidism, the ancient english/uk nature religion, dates back to 10,000 years, in that place
ambianimaton 2 years ago
possibly further back
nemississ 2 years ago
of course it was built by whoever was in power, but it was someone's punishment to build it, perhaps a captured raiding party, and if they fucked with the priest, of course they would have them build something of grey stone to look at the now bleak sky, whether or not the priest agreed with it it was someone's punishment to build it regardless
ambianimaton 2 years ago
um ..helo ? Stonehenge was 300BC ...not 5000 :|
futpemata2000 3 years ago
Well, archeologists think it was about 2500BC.
Swindondruid 2 years ago
@futpemata2000 .3000BC--5000 years ago
sonofherne 1 year ago
Druids came to England at 600 BC or something like this, Stonehedge is much older, at least 5000 years, theory debunked..., why make a video about it ?
It´s like explaining that the "earth is a disk"-theory is wrong.
truthspeaker969 3 years ago
Unless the Druids existed in Western Europe before the Indo-European Celtic expansion into the region. Perhaps the high preist class were always called 'Druids'. Just throwing that out there.
FlashVirus 2 years ago 2
What evidence do you have that Druids came to England at 600BC? Britain was the centre of the Druids world, which implies it pre-dates the Celtic invasion circa 900BC.
Swindondruid 2 years ago 2
What makes you think Britain was the centre of the Druid world? Britain and Ireland were populated by seperate Celtic peoples the p and the q type Celtic language indicate this. As for the Welsh (Origional Britons) and Irish we know that they spread from Western Europe and the Iberian peninsula so while they brought their cultures with them they were still merely offshoot cultures of the then proto celtic people in Gaul. To say Britain was centre of their world is nonsense.
thedirtyfecker 2 years ago
Both the Greeks and Romans wrote that Britain was the centre of the Druids world. People came from all over Europe to Britain to learn druidism. If you want more info, Tacitus on Britain is a good read.
Swindondruid 2 years ago
Well now, The Greeks refered to Ireland and Britain as Britain. Briton being 'Greater Briton' and Ireland 'lesser Briton' As for the Romans well they conquered modern England and Wales and never invaded Scotland or Ireland so their opinion on Britains position as centre of the druidic religion is inacurate since they really did'nt know what they were on about. The Roman Empire was in decline and archeological evidence has shown that while roman coinage has been found at Knowth, Newgrange and
thedirtyfecker 2 years ago
more importantly the hill of Tara, There is no other evidence of Romans in Ireland. The fact is the Romans were not capable of mounting an attack on the Picts in Scotland or the Gaels in Ireland. Irelands military position at that time when you consider Nial of the nine hostages, the Irish raids in Wales and Northern England and the domination/asimilation of the Picts after the Romans left Britain, it is far more likely Ireland was the centre of power.
thedirtyfecker 2 years ago
It must also be said that while people speak of centre of power it implies the 'druids' had an empire. This is nonsense. It was a common belief and system of law. Brehon law. Military power and might seems to have been stronger in Ireland at that time. That is not a matter of national pride, merely based on the facts we KNOW. As for POWER well the Welsh language and Gaelic language are quite different which means they evolved quite seperately so this sugests that power sharing did not cross the
thedirtyfecker 2 years ago
sea. Certainly there is certainly no mention of it in the Dinseanchas, Book of invasions, book of Leinster or the annals of Ulster. Ireland and the island of Britain were completely seperate entities. Fact is the Romans had no experience of us other than they looked at the Picts in Scotland and built a wall to keep them out. They looked at us and thought 'more of of the same' and realised they had not the resources to mount a campaign since Rome was implodeing. The druids were the Brehons and
thedirtyfecker 2 years ago
reciters of poetry. If you are familiar with the Brehon system you will understand that their position in society was that of social control. The power belonged to the people. The chieftan was the protector of the people. elected by the people. deposed by the people. Contoling the people was the key... thus military might sugests where real control actually lay...
thedirtyfecker 2 years ago
@thedirtyfecker The Romans certainly did invade what is modern day Scotland, and they would doubtless have succeeded in conquering it if they had not had to withdraw a legion to help fight the Dacians. Its more likely they never bothered again because they were more interested in arable land and mining. The Romans estimated they could conquer what is now Ireland with a single legion. Probably a good thing for them they never tried!
Swindondruid 1 year ago
@Swindondruid True, but the Romans could barely hold off the Picts and Caledonii. Nothing will scare a Roman more than to see a muscular Celt painted blue but wearing nothing in combat while busting through Roman ranks with a battleaxe.
oldescot 1 year ago
@thedirtyfecker Actually, two Irish tribes known as Desi and Feni made settlements in Wales. The Desi settled in lowered Wales as the kingdom of Dyfed, and the Feni settled in Gwynedd. These tribes made peace with native Priteni who were forced into Wales by the Romans under Agricola. What is not clear though, is if these tribes adopted the language of the natives, or mixed both their own with the native language. Dyfed lasted until the seventh century AD.
oldescot 1 year ago
@thedirtyfecker What?! Both islands of Ireland and Scotland were known as the Pretannic Islands, and that name (as well as 'Priteni' and 'Pritani') is without a doubt genuinely Celtic. It survives in modern Welsh now as 'Prydain'. The reason why we mistakenly say "Briton", or "Britannia" is from a Latin misconception of the native name 'Pritani'.
oldescot 1 year ago
@Swindondruid Yes, but only because Christians were forcing the Celts to convert. The Romans feared rebellion among the Pritani and kept much of the Celtic way of life the same. Even when Christianty came to the Pretanic Islands, it took a long time to convert the natives.
oldescot 1 year ago
@thedirtyfecker Right on! Heck, I don't why people come to the common misconception that "Celts" are only from the Pretanic Islands - the Belgae and Gauls were definitely Celts, as were all the cultures of Europe except (duh) the Romans and the 'Old Europeans' (Germans).
oldescot 1 year ago
@Swindondruid .what celtic invasion? There's no archaeological or genetic evidence of any such thing,other than the Belgae, if you can call that an invasion,and possibly the Parisi and a few other small tribes. Ireland had even less outside input than Britain; the iron age grew out of the bronze age.
sonofherne 1 year ago
To reiterate Swindondruid's point - there is no evidence to suggest that druidism was a foreign import though the religion was certainly not exclusive to Britain, it was practiced over most of western Europe. However, Julius Caesar tells us that the druid's religion originated in Britain and that they were astronomers. It may be then that their astronomy was passed down from their megalithic ancestors.
sylvanhart 2 years ago