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This is clear evidence for just the opposite. Chimps are degraded human genome creatures. All the evidence supports this.
this all info is just funny humans lived in caves and once they changed from moneys to humans they started build pyramids or Puma punku or tiwanacu this is just impossible i never believed we are 100% animals some are but most of people are Hybrid DNA mixture with someone we dont know yet.
the Tiwanacu is dated at 17k years stones in pumapunku dated at 6k years theyre cuted so perfectly that even today the technology just doesnt exist.
there in lebanon are monolits weght 1k tones made by someone thousands years ago carried miles how ? was it done by monkeys ?
there near Japan is underwater city just discovered dated at 7k years stones weight 500 tones how come monkeys did this everything ?
till today Scientists didnt discover the exact link between animals and humans they will never find the truth cuz theyre looking for the info on Earth.
well, i guess it would be wrong to say, i hate arguments over creationism and evolution, i believe in both, i believe god created a species to survive, even if it involved evolution, besides, some functions of organisms and even the human body are amazing and we still do not understand it all, the body does what it must, it will have pain to warn, bones to shield, antibodies to eliminate, and hormones to reproduce, it seems like its all there for some reason, does everything happen for a reason?
@andreyyao More accurately, we are genetically advanced primates who happened to functionally intersect with speech and thought on the infinite abstract levels of analysis, derived from the more primitive primate models that existed numerous hundreds of thousands of years ago. What YOU say is like saying that dogs are all wolves, cats are all lions, cattle are all african oxen. WTF, indeed for that is F^@# Fool Stupid Systems Dum.
@truthiscool It is based on the fact that DNA is a document representing the organism. And the document is passed from organism to organism, in kind from kind. The more times the document is passed, the more it changes, with alterations like "the telpehone game". If two documents are different like mouse and man, they are distantly related. If two documents are close like human and chimp, they are related through heredity. If they are vertually identical like father son, they are family.
@truthiscool That is, if the documents are cut in the same segments, arranged in the same paragraphs, and sentences, HEREDITY and INHERITANCE rule, in kind from kind. Bread processing systems have nothing to do with this. YOU DIDN'T HEAR the video. We recieved fused chromosomes from the chimp code, showing the docuement appendix merger, in chromosome 2. If not, just because my DNA resembles my so-called parents, means nothing too, NO KIND FROM KIND!? HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE, as you say???
@truthiscool It is bad when you start with errors, here. We share 99-96 percent DNA, with a 1-4% difference. YOU INVERTED TURTH. THAT IS NOT COOL. We can't agree. You are blind to paternity test, and blind to primate AND architectural similarity. Why spew out lies, like a Great Whore Babylon, Flood of Lies, TRUTHISCOOL??? THIS IS NOT COOL. YOUR GOD IS NOT MY GOD, LIAR, TWISTER. SATAN-TRUTHISCOOL, GET BEHIND ME! Everything you say is a lie, with no basis except your lies.
@truthiscool YOU ARE AN EVIL EXAMPLE OF CHRISTIANS, AND GIVE THEM A BAD NAME. IF YOU ARE A CHRISITANITY EXAMPLE, THEN CHRISTIANITY IS EVIL AND TRUTH TWISTERS. AND GOD PERMITS GREAT GRIEVOIUS EVILS THAT TEACH HE RUNS A PRISON PLANET FOR HIS PLEASURE. YOUR GOD IS EVIL. YOUR GOD IS NOT MY GOD, IMPOSTER GOD TRUTHISCOOL. BLIND ACCEPTOR OF PATERNAL. I AM NOT RELATED TO YOU, CHRISTIAN APE.
@rubbercraft Woe- All I did was bring up a point that you should have addressed when you examined this subject. But instead of addressing the point you freaked out- way out! Are you sure you responded to the right person? I never said anything like what you accuse me of.
If your problem is the sound frequency format, it is human audible speech, sorry, I don't feel like editing the audio channel for putting embedded sonic codes for the other-of-hearing among us. And if you can't hear, I can email the rough text outline.
Hmmm, I know ... try altering your mental challenged translation unit to American English Educated, shifted down 1.8 notes on the pentatonic scale, and your hearing might interface to the video bandwidth!
HA! Which, single word, didn't yourself understand! What, does that single word, sound like, so I may clarify, that single word, that yourself, didn't understand.
DNAunion's data in the two posts I posted from DNAunion mail to me, provides quite definitive proof that C2 of humans is a FUSION of C2a C2b of primates in general, and not a Fission. A quite Obvious Conclusion based on other primates having C2a and C2b separate, and humans being C2 only with appearance of fusion.
Excellent data, DNAunion, that I should have caught myself. Thank you for changing my theory data to focus solely on fusion regarding humans.
The previous comment and this comment are from DNAunion.
(2) We can always formulate altnerative scenarios, but the more and larger assumptions we have to introduce in order to make it work, the less likely it is to be correct. (As an absurd case, we could invoke space aliens to explain it, and that explanation would explain all of the data: but surely that is a large assumption to include, and so that scenario should not be the top dog).
For the human chromosome 2 to be the ancestral state, and each of the other Great Apes to have independently had a fission that split that chromosome into 2, would indicate that the ancestral state had preexisting telomeres pre-fused in the middle of the chromosome, and a preexisting inactive 2nd centromere that became functional again in chimps, and in gorillas, and in orangutans, after the fission. That simply is not the most parsimonious explanation: it requires more and larger assumptions.
your video I notice blocks text comments and video resposes. got something to hide there, eh? Your Ignorance being hidden by barriers, is a Hypocrisy Pride.
Try unblocking your protective shield of Blind Faith in Your Video, and we shall have a level playing field of data against your worst pick presentation of 1800's theories of size-evolution and 1970's genetic studies. This Video presents visible heirarchical kind-from-kind data in megabytes of data comparison.
Thanks best reply I ever had or saw on youtube So What would be the benefit here of one instead of two you think it in some way is a process that would eliminate unwanted genetic code and from the 3rd method is there anything further on that to suggest it is possible what about a hare and a rabbit they must have pretty similar code? any similar issue with the difference in 2 chromosomes with them
Thank you for the private email sent, regadring this transcript here of questions. I hope the response in likewise private email response is clear enough. This text box is too restricting.
Here I will help make easy on your email sent AD2009 July 30:
(1) It is better if you have more specific reiterations, as I must manually travel between multiple pages, and youtube is prone to crashing the system here, so I must speak in the air, to the numbering of the points I made arbitrarily in numbering context.
(2) The merger fusion, or splitting fission in ancient evolutionary history, may be accidental, or may be from ancient genetic machinery design for some level of autonomous distributed gene alteration under special circumstances. For example, a section of chromosome 4 or 5 or 6, as it was a while back since I edited, but I remember that I had to use
(3) photoshop to invert and alter crosstalk some ACGT into a different configuration of like CTAG as an air example, showing that there may even be high level code to translate large sections of chromosome data, like a multiple mode DNA, of multiple boot mode DNA that is just as functional in CTAG as it is in ACGT, with two similar but not identiacal chromosome middle and high scale visible structure, but
(5) combinatorial chemistry in abiogenesis, if you have not read of them, since Oparin 1920's.
3rd method? Too ambiguous, without my dragging to the other page to hunt down these texts I write, unless you meant the middle scale gene altering genetic code, which I have addressed above. Do please be slightly more explicit, to jar my memory to the exact subject, on arbitrarily numbered methods, as the come to my mind.
(6) I have no data on [wild] hare and [domesticated] rabbit. It took hours to download just the 9 chromosomes from Fasta, without failure of connections, and such corrupting data or shortening files in the middle of download. As such, I cannot address the data, other than a presumption that if they can breed "mules" or even offspring, then the complexes of genetic code allow such crossover, or even contain a similar set of high level / middle level, code swapping and mixing
(7) mechanisms for survival in times of great genetic peril. But I have little real data, here. However, if the survival mechanism of meta-level code alteration is such an important evolutionary force, kept in most life forms, as an assumption of survival, then I can asssume there will be epochal evidences in many life forms of this mecahnism at work, but I know not where, as I have only concentrated on the most evident communicative species of humans, and their christian depricated
(9) I can speak on plants that show from few to many chromosomes, which show a likely high level of ancient genetic machinery for fusion and fission of chromosomes, which is important for a static life form that must survive on the gene codes for recompilation and recoding, at a level similar to human code writers in C or Basic, with inter module replacement capacities, beyond fast moving norms of animals
"At the site of fusion, there are approximately 150,000 base pairs of sequence not found in chimpanzee chromosomes 2A and 2B. Additional linked copies of the PGML/FOXD/CBWD genes exist elsewhere in the human genome, particularly near the p end of chromosome 9. "
Our ancestors were quite human at the time of the fusion.
What is the nature of the miniscule 150,000 [BP] data? Are they repeated code, or copied code from elsewhere in the Chimpanzee?
How are genetic scientists certain, also, that ancient chromosomes underwent human C2 fusion occured, and not an equivalent model where ancient fission occured, that both helped primes flourish in their newly found C2A, C2B state, as well as the most special of branches of the isolated human line C2?
Additional copies of PGML/FOXD/CBWD in humans, may have been removed by genetic machinery at the time of a theoretical fission event that formed the primates seen today, veruss the fusion that is claimed is the certain reult of the human line from primates. How do they detect that is was not a fission forming primates from a human line, and not fusion of primates to form the human line.
Both hypoth- occur in epochal past, and must be derived CAREFULLY from all gene data to determine which
This is correct. If genes exist for actual reprogramming of chromosomes due to specialized conditions, it would require, either a period of Liger / Mule / Hybridization breeding between, I would think, 46es and 48es, or vice versa. There would not be a 47, because the codes would almost invariably require a binary pair shift in the gammates, so 47 would likely be infertiles.
The 47 chromosome hybrid australo-somethings would (like mules) not have been self-sustaining, but females mating with humans could have produced neaderthals, some of which would have had 46 and started a self-sustaing population.
I believe it would read, given all hypothesis possible, would not have likely been self sustaining, but depends on the exact mechanism of hybridization, and any genetic machinery available within the genome for broad system genome self-modiication.
For example, editing the data for photoshop rendering, I noticed one of the first 9 numbered chromosomes had an ACGT reorder, assuming not an ENTRES storage error, could indicate a large collection of genetic dual boot mode DNA.
(errata) Instead: (... One of the sections, rather large on 60% scale of the particular chromosome, of the first 9 numbered chromosomes had an ACGT reorder ...)
Dual boot mode DNA functional in two DNA modes from ancient times, of ACGT, and hypothetically exampled, like a TACG recoding that also functions, possibly, to be in the genome of Pan ~ or Homo ~.
Otherwise, ENTRES FASTA data may be terribly in error, to have a large section of reordered ACGT, within the test file format download, but seems unlikely to be servered that way, from Human and Pan genome projects.
Not that your theory could not happen, also, but yours closes doors narrowly.
Likewise, was the fusion or fission in the time of neanderthals or in the time of Lucy, or millions of years ago, in primate ancient roots history. To make one choice, may atificially close some doors of perception of alternatie hypothesis, I think may still be on the table, unless there is good thourough multidimensional data to cover all bases of an essentially very ancient cause, with only ripple effects visible today in genome remains of living species near the 100% access to data level.
e.g. neanderthal mtDNA of only 0.03% of human genome in rough estimate, of biased maternal mitochondrial only genome window, is all that is available today. Do you understand the bias possible, compared to 9 chromosomes of almost 70.000% comparison, in comparison, with chimpanzees?
If 47s could exist, there would be a very unique set of gene codes that can utilize such an extremely difficult unpaired road. Causing such problems among XYY syndrome, and Klinefelter's syndrome XXY sundrome ("Affected males are almost always effectively infertile"), being the few barely-viable solutions to that crossover.
The mamalian line of primates are are geared around an equal pair, so 46 to 48 or 48 to 46 seems the only likely mechanisms, a theoretical system editing gene complex would likely allow.
I doubt they can number chromosomes of Neanderthals
BTW (australo ... pithecus): Wikipedia:
"The genus Australopithecus (Latin australis "southern", Greek πίθηκος pithekos "ape") is a genus of extinct hominids, made up of the gracile australopiths, and formerly also included their larger relatives, the robust australopiths (which are now given their own genus). The genus Australopithecus is closely related to the human genus Homo, and may be ancestral to it."
One million Neanderthal mtDNA out of 3 billion human BP, or about estimated 0.03%, too small to estimate chromosome counts even, given noise to signal ratio of sample size, and locality on mtDNA. My humble dragon opinion...
(4) likely very different modes of operation, as much as X and Y define biological sex. These show evidences of large scale genetically controlled metastructural machinery and epochal rate genetic grand modifications, for purposes of survival as presumed is the basis of continued combinatorial chemistry existence of complexes of reactions: see LoneRubberDragon in Wikipedia of my talk pages, on
(10) genetics, with more epochal potentials for such grand code rewites, compared to mutable plants. Fruit Flies show a certain modularity of code in heirarchical code control structures, given that antennae can be converted to legs or wings, or such multiple thorax repeition experiments, show that small bits of code can be used to alter the modularity of the combinatorial chemistry genetics systems, in that life form.
Out of (1) - (10) I have transcribed the genetic data of the email into the miniscule text box of this channel. I hope it is quite readable to you. Thank you for asking it again, here, as in private email.
The most probable mechanism would be called Horizontal Gene Transfer, that is common in bacteria, but quite rare in complex genomes. In this case it would be HGT fusing the entire chomosome 2A and 2B. The subject is covered under Horizontal Gene Transfer in Wikipedia, but would be within the same specie, or perhaps between two compatible primates, somewhat like Ligers, that are a breed of Lions and Tigers, but would have a HGT, and not just simple genetic crossover.
Likewise, HGT would occur in the gammates fusion process, as HGT would likely never occur in complex organisms, as true conventional HGT typically occurs across membrane boundaries of simple one cell organisms.
An other method would be simple mutational merging of 2A and 2B from some form of common code at the ends of the corresponding chromosomes.
A third method would be a break of chromosome 2 in ancient history from a root primate, forming a family of simple primates with 2A and 2B ...
and leaving a main line in just humans that survives today as a singular 2 chomosome, surrounded by split 2A 2B relative primates.
I often wonder if Geneticists assume 2A 2B was a fusion into human 2, because of end marker degredation or losses, or if they have guessed, and it may actually be a breaking of an ancient human-primate Ch2 into Ch2A and Ch2B into a tree of relative primate species, today. I have not made such a personal analysis, as it would require delicate code to analyze it.
From the first post, I would rewrite "The most probable" into "One probable", just to cover its candidacy, and not rank based on known study of the data.
As far as its common-ness, I would presume all species of life have used some form of fusions, and fissions (breaks), and Horizontal Gene Transfers, in evolutionary time. The more complex the species, the more rare the potential, overall, simply due to code alteration compexity.
However, for fissions, a break or fusion, in complex species, may also even be due to special genetic machinery used to rarely occasionally coalate and separate chomosome codes in evolutionary time, as a fourth way.
1) What is the mechanism that enables the DNA of apes actually evolved to Humans DNA. I mean, which traits of the cells that enables this? If it is capable of discovering new patterns it must be obvious and how does it perform these calculations.
2)How do we verify which is the origin of which? What is the methodology used to determine the chronology of evolution? any specific mechanism?
1) The DNA stores digital forms of steady state patterns of operations. If some patterns deal with processing perpetuation beyond one locus of activity to another it may still record new methods not seen before. Meiosis is one class of such activity between organism generations. Mitosis between cell generations. It can range from brute force on a molecular level to algorithmic huristics in immune to memetic-memory-pattern informations.
1.c) Some channels are claimed closed to modification, such as individual experience being passed through meiosis, except for epigenetic markers, but not DNA control codes. Thus another forbidden region of operation among modern DNA human structures, like those mentioned below at X2).
2) It depends how "frozen" DNA and epigenetic DNA information are in processing in modern life compared to the grab bag of fluid operations that could have occured in early earth(s). If modern DNA is a very different code from its ancient forms, the current code can contain anything from a DNA centric process to a map of most nearby explorable living biological systems of the last millions of years representation.
2.b) A code with only bottom up developments being recorded would reduce to the natural Darwinian methods of natural selection of the offspring production methods. No intelligence in any meta level would exist here, that is without culture, more akin to survival in a top down less macro sphere.
2.c) The existence of top down level structures would connote other levels of processing, through brute force to huristic trials, like immune systems and say human control immune systems.
X) Moreso, is DNA the only biological polymer that can form human level complexity and order? Would there have been other chemistries possible before DNA dominated the encoding standards, and are they less versatile in most domains of biological operation.
X2) Modern versions of Miller-Urey experiments can indicate what systems of early earth were deserts and which were fruitful for combinatorial chemistry reaching some level of polymerization and feedback chemistry stronger than the stochastic main class of chemistry.
It should be noted that some domains of DNA operation show forbidden regions on earth, like a lifeform that can eat all other life forms through mutiform enzymatic breakdown with body locus maintenance, or immortal individual organisms on the human scales. It itself defines a locus of origin and destination force.
X3) The most interesting piece, I forgot to mention of the video, is a large span of C5 or so that I had to invert two of the color encode axes. Does this indicate an NCBI ENTREZ data error, or a span of DNA that has an ancient code translation, or even DNA with dual mode encode when this translator is passed over that section? In my video, I changed the colors, and thus made the human and chimpanzee code match, from the distant ancestor that did not have such a DNA code flip.
Thats so original. How many hours did it take to think of that one. I get it, you changed some off the letters of my screen name to say something rude. You're so retarded that you're either a Christian or a Muslim, which is it?
To AssMix: atheist believe everything came from nothing and that's just plain ignorant. Wake up and eat some brain food or something ya big dummy! :) LOL!
Imagine if I said that my latest book came from nothing. The text fell together in a coherent order, the page numbers fell in numerical order, it bound itself, the cover designed itself, and then out of nowhere the title, You Can Lead an Atheist to Evidence, But You Cant Make Him Think appeared. There was no author, no printer, and no publisher. Why then would anyone give any credibility to an atheist?
If Jesus were here, he'd slap the taste out of your mouth for being a retarded monkey. Monkeys like you should be shot at birth, as well as your crack whore mother for giving birth to such a pathetic waste of life.
And your last statement about the book, and letters falling in place. Even a child with basic understanding would not have said such an incredibly idiotic statement. I don't argue with monkeys like you, because its like trying to convince a 5 year old Santa isn't real. Atleast kids have an excuse, you're 37 apparently, whats your excuse? Mental retardation?
Wow! And you kiss your mom with that mouth? Dude, I do circles around your puny intellect. Let's play chess sometime... that would be humorous. It would be idiotic to believe that a book just sorta happened. What's even more asinine is to believe that everything came from nothing like atheists believe. Now go back to your corner little boy.
How original. Afraid I'd kick your arse in chess huh? Well, if you don't like chess then you could always come down to my dojo and we could "talk" about it there if you would like. Let me know, or are you just going to stay in your room and continue jerking-off to anime?
Nah, that may be what your whore mother taught you to do, but normal people don't do things like that. Redneck fucker. I bet your dad raped you in the ass when you were a toddler.
Wow. That was the best you could come up with? Quit eating your mom's hot carls, because your comebacks totally suck. Yo cago en la leche de tu puta madre :)
Fucking dirty immigrant speak english or shut the fuck up. By the way, judo is for bitches and 10 year old. I'll fuck you up put you in a coma and make you eat your own shit. You mum loves my comebacks.
To AssMixx: Haven't heard from you in awhile. Glad to see you're back. So lets get back to it. :)
Judo? What a retard you are. It's not Judo, it's Ju Jutsu, we specialize in bone-breaking and muscle ripping, not that lame Judo bull-shit. Furthermore, you went from calling me a red-neck to a dirty immigrant you're so stupid! I'm just fluent in other languages you Govniuk.
Ju Jutsu, not ju jitsu. One is Japanese and the other is stupid worthless Brazilian ineffective bullshit. Well... I'm outta comebacks today. It's been fun exchanging insults with each-other. You had some pretty good ones!! We'll have to do this again some time, take care. :)
(2) So random mutations in a field of DNA sponsored evolution has produced not one bound book for Hemoglobin, but many variants, some only used by foetuses, and some used by adults. In the animal kingdom, there are even more variants of Hemoglobin.
(4) In fact, in biochemistry occuring in a pool of water loaded with carbon compounds, one will get many "parallel" books being produced simultaneously when a top level goal of the biochemistry is observed by the reactions. So it isn't a case of one book self assembling itself, but a case of millions of copes of the book evolving and reaching for the inherent feedback chemistry that supports itslef. One book assembling itself is a miracle, but a million copies approaching the final target
(6) In DNA in life, the letters show not so random statistics. For just 5 elements, one only sees 27 "letters" on any one element, in a Markov Syntax, with the following ACGT frequencies (X):
(3) So the problem with randomness reaching a target misses the factors of molecular non-random relations, and the use of many target forms that happen to behave the same. Like a 1700 version of Hamlet and a 2000 version of hamlet may be written different, but all versions carry the useful information. All of the parallel probabilities allows numerous nearly identical functionality molecules to form, from the basic non-random rules of polymer binding in amino acids and RNA and DNA.
(1) The random letters problem lies with the target of one exact book. Random letters with not so random associations inherent to the letter physics, like "SH", "TH", "OO", "TT" occur more often then "ZX", "QR", "XY", "PX". Let monkeys type at "random" with Markov statistical orders, and you can get hundreds of versions of readable "Hamlets", but none of them will be the exact Shakespeare Hamlet. But they will all have similar functionality. Like humans have 7 versions of Hemoglobin codes.
(5) Seems like an awful waste of government and corporate money, if eveyone is faking all of the inferential data of human and primate DNA, when any Intelligent Design Scientist could do their own research these days to show the "great theoretical deception" of the world.
And if ID fails, we are left with humans that are quite genetically similar in "code" design on all scales to primates ... and the WHY this creator-God would choose that deceptive path for the last generation's research.
(4) And only in the "last generations" would science have even discovered that our genetic code was "not of this world", which wouldn't necessarily have proven that God exists to science, as science could have said we humans are genetic aliens from an unknown interplanetary origin.
But ... God didn't even choose to do this, but decided to "copy" the design of primates, in order to make the human design.
Either that, or alot of scientists are lying about the megabytes of DNA data.
(3) So while I can say there is no definite proof short of decades of research, to correlate the extent of the already great genetic similarity, there is a large amount of inference that humans and primates are quite related.
My thoughts wonder sometimes why God didn't make human DNA a completely new map of genetic code, compared to primates.
For 10,000 years, no human would have known of the unbelieveable unrelated differences between man and all animals, expecially primates.
(2) On the other hand, we appear on all scales of analysis, genetically very similar to primates compared to other mammals or distant lifeforms.
Primates and humans catch very many of the same diseases, just because our genetic "software" is so similar.
One wonders, do we take the lifes of primates to study human diseases, as if they were nothing more than disposable "zoe"-animal-life, without a concern for any soul content than a mouse?
(1) Like a character from Ghost in the Shell, I am figting at both ends of the fire for the outline of truth.
On one hand the Bible has definite statements about special origin of humans, and a number of holistic systemic definitions of a special soul, which I can appreciate from quantum physics entanglement potentials.
"Why would anyone want to believe that we evolved from ancient apes?"
Because that's what the evidence indicates. No one would "want to believe" this, we believe it because of the evidence.
"I can believe that we are RELATED to apes but I will NEVER believe that we evolved from them!"
Why not? Why is the idea so offensive to you? Look, I hate to be the one to burst your creationist bubble, but just because you aren't comfortable with the idea doesn't mean it isn't accurate.
The earth is flat. Only 1100 stars. Earth sat on a large animal. All sars are the same. Light is in a fixed place. Air is weightles. Winds blow straight. Sick people must be bled. The ocean floor is flat. Ocean fed only by rivers and rain. Hands must be washed in still water. Now "science" claims that we've evolved from primordial soup.
Ah, yes. True enough for those points, I do grant you. At the same time, Galileio thought the earth went around the sun, and the church claimed it blasphemy. And recently, the Papalcy office apologized for dismissing Darwin's ideas as heresy.
As for kind from kind, why does star fusion make heavy elements like Iron and Uranium, from Hydrogen and Helium. That's complexity from simplicity, AND different from different.
And elements form molecules: complexity from simplicity.
Oh short lifes! And combinatorial chemistry may allow complexity from simplicity in a modestly rich lifeless ocean, where molecules allow more new molecules, and more new molecules allow even more new molecules, until you may just have life forming on its own.
Read abiogenesis articles on:
lonerubberdragon(.)blogspot(.)com
to get an idea of what I mean by combinatorial chemistry.
Oh, and in the Old Testament, they had slavery. Why did they not have apprenticeship, or employment, but slavery of all things? Incomprehensible, that God didn't want people to life people up, instead of making them slaves.
Oh, and what about the Jewish Levitical Priesthood. They were commissioned by God to teach his word, and they corrupted themselves, until Jesus comes saying that they have made His temple a den of thieves, an open sepulchure, so to speak, and sought to kill Him.
And they are God's chosen people for Zion. God went so far as to threaten a writ of divorce with Israel, for their corruptions, again and again.
So one religious phase, attacks another religious phase, as part of the Plan of the one YHVH.
And as religion is supported by humans with foibles, so too science is supported by humans with foibles. So both sides have made mistakes. Eh ... what is your point again?
And need I mention, that some modern so-called Christians think the earth is literally 6000 years old, when the stars in the sky appear to be billions of light years away, at their furthest. A God of celestial deception? Or tree ring / ice core data showing weather history tens of thousands of years.
And christian scientists who say going to the doctor is unnecessary because God's will and faith are to be followed paramount. And the past church selling indulgences.
Meanwhile, all along, the Bible has stated the Truth. The earth is a sphere (Isaiah 40:22) Incalculable number of stuars (Jeremiah 33:22) Free float of earth in space (Job:7) Creation made of invisible elements (Hebrews 11:3) Each star is different (1 Corn. 15:41) Light moves (job 38:19,20)
Air has weight (Job 28:25) Winds blow in cyclones (Ecclesiastes 1:6) Blood is the source of life and health (Leviticus 17:11) Ocean floor contains deep valleys and mountains (2 Sm 22:16; Jonah 2:6) Oceans contains springs (Job 38;16) When dealing with disease, hand should be washed under running water (Leviticus 15:13) Everything produces after their own kind. (Genesis 1)
Something else I've noticed; the food we eat represents our matter construct, the protiens we consume to exist are far from chimps in such a large quantity, the "you are what you eat" context, I feel, is a fair argument to be raised because, imo, we are a culmination of all creatures on earth.
Food represents some of what we are, but the majority of the blueprint is genetic. Also, foods are broken down to mostly minor sized molecules, so alot of the meso-structure of food is lost, and only the proportions of general basic molecules are affecting the metabolic blueprint of the human eating. You feed human food to a chimp species for centuries, will not make humans, I *think*. But select the smartest chimps for breeding, and teach them, and you get humans-two "soon".
Humans, indeed, are *A* culmination of evolution, naturally speaking, but dolphins, other primates, cephalopods, et cetera, are all capable, given the *opportunity*, to become additional culminations of creatures on earth, with respect to universe changing capacities.
Last time I checked, code can only be created from an intelligence.
Personally, I don't think we'll ever know if we evolved from chimps until we do a live test but, technologically, we are understated and thus I can't accept that theory as fact.
I'll remain 50/50 about it until, if I live long enough, proof suffices one or the other.
Check systems and algorithms under evolution, accumulation, and feedback, in general, and you will see that code can be made by machines, by autonomous growing. The intelligence can be inherent in the system of connections, cooperation, preservation, numeration, durability, and synergy. I'll email you an essay on abiogenesis for background and theoretical evidence.
If we are not evolved from chimps, compared to mice, amobeas, plants, then we are a striking copy from chimps in DNA and body.
However, wouldn't natural selection eliminate chimps if we are, indeed, from them?
As far as I've noticed, all matter exists for a purpose that appears to serve human beings.
Having five fingers and toes with no outside interference, I'd say nature is as fair as possible, why would it select chimps as our ancestors yet decide to give us increased mental faculties that, obviously have proven is destructive towards nature? Are we some kind of cyanide?
Natural selection eliminates ecosystem incompatible species. Chimps continue to survive in their ecosystem, as do orangutans, great apes, et cetera, so the nature of evolution continues as structured, otherwise, they would be extinct. And to be exact, the past version of chimps and other primates, including humans, no longer exist in their original forms, but do exist in their current forms, and will exist in future forms.
Yes, the Anthropic Principle is strong in this universe's matter. But any universe with "monads" that connect and have states in a certain critical format form maso-scale life. Too little bonding, and gases and liquids are only formed. Too much bonding, and amorphous glasses are only formed. Critical balanced bonding of special monads, allows meso-scale life naturally in the rules.
Proto-chimps had the most genetic potential of all species to develop a higher intellect species from their codes, with evolutionary adaptation forces in the ecosystems of the times. Once intellect is hit on, it causes selection and feedback properties, selecting the smartest and most surviving individuals for breeding, over genetically rote instinctual species without mental adaptation, genetic selection influence. It is not a "decision", it is inherent to the selection processes.
Negative thoughts, are definitely a poison to the meso-earth ecosystem. The Bible puts good thoughts over evil thoughts, to fix this new level of informational evolution structure and control.
Does fair design not allow cut off fingers to appendages to grow back, like some animals and plants? Does fair design give tonsils and appendixes that we can "live" without, and cause suffering in known design issues of infections? We appear *too* natural, descended from a proto-primate.
It's anice job. But the job isn't finished. Chimps and Bonobo's have absorbed the genome of a Human Endogenous Retrovirus K (HERV-K) in their genome, and Humans not (there is neighter a sign that we once had it). Humans have the genes coding for the Center of Broca (wich makes it possible that we can talk), but al the other primates haven't got those genes.
To prove that Humans evolve from a more primitive primate, there must be detailed explanation for these problems. 3 stars.
IT IS FINISHED: Humans have Human Endogenous Retrovirus K, as do some primates.
"To determine whether HERV-K elements have caused recent changes in the human genome, we have undertaken a study of the level of HERV-K polymorphism that exists in the human population. By using a high-resolution unblotting technique, we analyzed 13 human-specific HERV-K elements in 18 individuals."
Even if humans didn't have something and chimps and bonobos do, means that there is divergence by evolution.
Like you mentioned Humand have a Broca Center with associated genes because we have adapted to speech, while primates haven't had a selection pressure to develop speech in their habitats. That is another axample of evolutionary divergence.
Otherwise, humans and chimpanzees show chromosomal, architectural, gene order, and gene expression similarity as if they were written for the same operating system from common descent, or God copied code and modded it just a little.
Who gave you the bogus HERV-K data? 2 stars commenter.
Another reference:
Human endogenous retrovirus K (HERV-K) is related to the mouse mammary tumor virus and is present in the genomes of humans, apes and cercopithecoids (Old World monkeys). It is unknown how long ago in primate evolution the full-length HERV-K proviruses that are in the human genome today were formed. RESULTS: Ten full-length HERV-K proviruses were cloned from the human genome.
... Using provirus-specific probes, eight of the ten were found to be present in a genetically diverse set of humans but not in other extant hominoids.
Intact preintegration sites for each of these eight proviruses were present in the apes. A ninth provirus was detected in the human, chimpanzee, bonobo and gorilla genomes, but not in the orang-utan genome. The tenth was found only in humans, chimpanzees and bonobos.
Complete sequencing of six of the human-specific proviruses showed that full-length open reading frames for the retroviral protein precursors Gag-Pro-Pol or Env were each present in multiple proviruses.
CONCLUSIONS: At least eight full-length HERV-K genomes that are in the human germline today integrated after humans diverged from chimpanzees. All of the viral open reading frames and cis-acting sequences necessary for HERV-K replication must have been intact during the recent time when these proviruses formed. Multiple full-length open reading frames for all HERV-K proteins are present in the human genome today.
So this covers those sub-topics, that were not the aspect being covered by my video limited to considering the chromosomal, architectural, gene ordering, and genetic patterns near the base level at a visual resolution of 1 in 10,000,000 in ACGT color, whereas older G-Band comparisons of primates with humans were done at a resolution of 1 in 2,000 in black and white. My video never intended to to cover your topics, as a subject for another video.
Anyway, "Bright Eyes", why would the sequence be called Human Endogenous, if it is never found in Humans? Its like calling a sequence Blue Whale Endogenous, and it is only found in Humans. Anyways, both of your linguistic skills could use some bookS-plural reading.
(and "Bright Eyes" is a reference to "The Planet of the Apes", for chimpanzee Psychologist Dr. Zira's pet name for human American Astronaut Colonel George Taylor)
this is why creationists dont get it, its harder than their answer. god did it. its far easier to believe in god than to have to read alot. this is why i used ot believe in god because i didnt have the knowledge
trust me your taking the short road to getting answers, just read books not book. but i do agree on one thing with you, and that is that there are people who believe in evolution like its a faith and they are just as delusional as religious people. so on that not e what if they read both sides and rewlized that proving something outweighs just blindly accepting it(usually because your parents and family accept it)
That doesn't mean believing data in evolution or religion is delusional, but make up your own minds with knowledge, because no knowledge is nothing to base a decision on. Some super-evolutionists don't understand religion, and some super religious don't understand evolution. If you take the middle path, you are much less likely to be a delusional extreme. Science only or religion only as a faith, is short sighted.
Souls without science is lame, and science without souls is blind. (intentionally quoted in this form)
Think, Ghost in the Shell technology in the future. Yeah they can save a brain on a computer process, but does it capture your soul so you can live on owning property and having legal rights, or is the soul lost in saving only the emergent properties of the brain?
So, if science can save a dying person's mind in another body, but the soul is lost because some quantum physics measurement self wasn't accounted for, science is blinded by their sometimes hatered of soul matters.
Religions claim to save souls, but have no scientific proof anything is being accomplished to actually save souls, as they expect God to do all of the work, which is lame.
So GoodScienceForYou pleads for more visitors to abuse at his forum, here are some of his 'science' quotes, try not to laugh -
-Diamond are no longer carbon, they are diamonds.
-Carbon is the only thing that makes us "carbon" based creatures
-The cause of sickle cell anemia is unknown, dumb ass.
-Photosynthesis is a carbon digesting process.
-There is no answer for the diversity of life. It just is.
-There are only two species of bacteria.
Could anyone learn anything from this clown?
KrokrX 1 year ago
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This is clear evidence for just the opposite. Chimps are degraded human genome creatures. All the evidence supports this.
GoodScienceForYou 1 year ago
this all info is just funny humans lived in caves and once they changed from moneys to humans they started build pyramids or Puma punku or tiwanacu this is just impossible i never believed we are 100% animals some are but most of people are Hybrid DNA mixture with someone we dont know yet.
the Tiwanacu is dated at 17k years stones in pumapunku dated at 6k years theyre cuted so perfectly that even today the technology just doesnt exist.
TheDallasDragon 1 year ago
there in lebanon are monolits weght 1k tones made by someone thousands years ago carried miles how ? was it done by monkeys ?
there near Japan is underwater city just discovered dated at 7k years stones weight 500 tones how come monkeys did this everything ?
till today Scientists didnt discover the exact link between animals and humans they will never find the truth cuz theyre looking for the info on Earth.
TheDallasDragon 1 year ago
well, i guess it would be wrong to say, i hate arguments over creationism and evolution, i believe in both, i believe god created a species to survive, even if it involved evolution, besides, some functions of organisms and even the human body are amazing and we still do not understand it all, the body does what it must, it will have pain to warn, bones to shield, antibodies to eliminate, and hormones to reproduce, it seems like its all there for some reason, does everything happen for a reason?
MadGod24 1 year ago
soo were basicaly all chimps......? WTF
FU***** stupid
andreyyao 1 year ago
@andreyyao More accurately, we are genetically advanced primates who happened to functionally intersect with speech and thought on the infinite abstract levels of analysis, derived from the more primitive primate models that existed numerous hundreds of thousands of years ago. What YOU say is like saying that dogs are all wolves, cats are all lions, cattle are all african oxen. WTF, indeed for that is F^@# Fool Stupid Systems Dum.
rubbercraft 1 year ago 7
everything that we have in our body, we need, and the things we don't need are starting to disappear,
MadGod24 1 year ago
@truthiscool It is based on the fact that DNA is a document representing the organism. And the document is passed from organism to organism, in kind from kind. The more times the document is passed, the more it changes, with alterations like "the telpehone game". If two documents are different like mouse and man, they are distantly related. If two documents are close like human and chimp, they are related through heredity. If they are vertually identical like father son, they are family.
rubbercraft 1 year ago
@truthiscool That is, if the documents are cut in the same segments, arranged in the same paragraphs, and sentences, HEREDITY and INHERITANCE rule, in kind from kind. Bread processing systems have nothing to do with this. YOU DIDN'T HEAR the video. We recieved fused chromosomes from the chimp code, showing the docuement appendix merger, in chromosome 2. If not, just because my DNA resembles my so-called parents, means nothing too, NO KIND FROM KIND!? HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE, as you say???
rubbercraft 1 year ago
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truthiscool 1 year ago
@truthiscool It is bad when you start with errors, here. We share 99-96 percent DNA, with a 1-4% difference. YOU INVERTED TURTH. THAT IS NOT COOL. We can't agree. You are blind to paternity test, and blind to primate AND architectural similarity. Why spew out lies, like a Great Whore Babylon, Flood of Lies, TRUTHISCOOL??? THIS IS NOT COOL. YOUR GOD IS NOT MY GOD, LIAR, TWISTER. SATAN-TRUTHISCOOL, GET BEHIND ME! Everything you say is a lie, with no basis except your lies.
rubbercraft 1 year ago
@truthiscool YOU ARE AN EVIL EXAMPLE OF CHRISTIANS, AND GIVE THEM A BAD NAME. IF YOU ARE A CHRISITANITY EXAMPLE, THEN CHRISTIANITY IS EVIL AND TRUTH TWISTERS. AND GOD PERMITS GREAT GRIEVOIUS EVILS THAT TEACH HE RUNS A PRISON PLANET FOR HIS PLEASURE. YOUR GOD IS EVIL. YOUR GOD IS NOT MY GOD, IMPOSTER GOD TRUTHISCOOL. BLIND ACCEPTOR OF PATERNAL. I AM NOT RELATED TO YOU, CHRISTIAN APE.
rubbercraft 1 year ago
@rubbercraft Woe- All I did was bring up a point that you should have addressed when you examined this subject. But instead of addressing the point you freaked out- way out! Are you sure you responded to the right person? I never said anything like what you accuse me of.
truthiscool 1 year ago
i didnt understand a single word he was saying
niku153 2 years ago
Do you have any Speciic Questions about the video that you would like to ask, instead?
rubbercraft 2 years ago
If your problem is the sound frequency format, it is human audible speech, sorry, I don't feel like editing the audio channel for putting embedded sonic codes for the other-of-hearing among us. And if you can't hear, I can email the rough text outline.
rubbercraft 2 years ago
Hmmm, I know ... try altering your mental challenged translation unit to American English Educated, shifted down 1.8 notes on the pentatonic scale, and your hearing might interface to the video bandwidth!
rubbercraft 2 years ago
HA! Which, single word, didn't yourself understand! What, does that single word, sound like, so I may clarify, that single word, that yourself, didn't understand.
rubbercraft 2 years ago
NIKU153: [I didnt understand] [a single word] [he was saying].
[Which single word] [yourself didn't understand] [myself was saying]? Try using a time marker comment like 1:23, representing Video [minute|second].
rubbercraft 2 years ago
Or, do ye practise, "mangle, oh saxon"?
rubbercraft 2 years ago
You're probably from the American south. Uneducated trailer trash, hillbillys, and rednecks typically have trouble understanding synthesized speech.
logik316 2 years ago
why are you the only one thats commenting?
charvey1999 2 years ago
Try reading the thread with your eyes open.
I cannot help the limited bandwidth of humans on earth, in comparison with my own bandwidth.
[Dragon shrugs shoulders at earth-humans]
rubbercraft 2 years ago
DNAunion's data in the two posts I posted from DNAunion mail to me, provides quite definitive proof that C2 of humans is a FUSION of C2a C2b of primates in general, and not a Fission. A quite Obvious Conclusion based on other primates having C2a and C2b separate, and humans being C2 only with appearance of fusion.
Excellent data, DNAunion, that I should have caught myself. Thank you for changing my theory data to focus solely on fusion regarding humans.
rubbercraft 2 years ago
The previous comment and this comment are from DNAunion.
(2) We can always formulate altnerative scenarios, but the more and larger assumptions we have to introduce in order to make it work, the less likely it is to be correct. (As an absurd case, we could invoke space aliens to explain it, and that explanation would explain all of the data: but surely that is a large assumption to include, and so that scenario should not be the top dog).
rubbercraft 2 years ago
For the human chromosome 2 to be the ancestral state, and each of the other Great Apes to have independently had a fission that split that chromosome into 2, would indicate that the ancestral state had preexisting telomeres pre-fused in the middle of the chromosome, and a preexisting inactive 2nd centromere that became functional again in chimps, and in gorillas, and in orangutans, after the fission. That simply is not the most parsimonious explanation: it requires more and larger assumptions.
rubbercraft 2 years ago
(From DNAunion, posted by myself)
rubbercraft 2 years ago
ofreshartist:
your video I notice blocks text comments and video resposes. got something to hide there, eh? Your Ignorance being hidden by barriers, is a Hypocrisy Pride.
Try unblocking your protective shield of Blind Faith in Your Video, and we shall have a level playing field of data against your worst pick presentation of 1800's theories of size-evolution and 1970's genetic studies. This Video presents visible heirarchical kind-from-kind data in megabytes of data comparison.
rubbercraft 2 years ago
TheStoicAgnostic 2 years ago
Your response is contained in the private email you sent. If you wish, please feel free to post my replies to your private email, here.
LoneRubberDragon / Rubbercraft
rubbercraft 2 years ago
Additionally, you will require several numbered posts, as the private email response was much longer than the allowed text box here...
LoneRubberDragon / RubberCraft
rubbercraft 2 years ago
Thank you for the private email sent, regadring this transcript here of questions. I hope the response in likewise private email response is clear enough. This text box is too restricting.
rubbercraft 2 years ago
Here I will help make easy on your email sent AD2009 July 30:
(1) It is better if you have more specific reiterations, as I must manually travel between multiple pages, and youtube is prone to crashing the system here, so I must speak in the air, to the numbering of the points I made arbitrarily in numbering context.
rubbercraft 2 years ago
(2) The merger fusion, or splitting fission in ancient evolutionary history, may be accidental, or may be from ancient genetic machinery design for some level of autonomous distributed gene alteration under special circumstances. For example, a section of chromosome 4 or 5 or 6, as it was a while back since I edited, but I remember that I had to use
rubbercraft 2 years ago
(3) photoshop to invert and alter crosstalk some ACGT into a different configuration of like CTAG as an air example, showing that there may even be high level code to translate large sections of chromosome data, like a multiple mode DNA, of multiple boot mode DNA that is just as functional in CTAG as it is in ACGT, with two similar but not identiacal chromosome middle and high scale visible structure, but
rubbercraft 2 years ago
(5) combinatorial chemistry in abiogenesis, if you have not read of them, since Oparin 1920's.
3rd method? Too ambiguous, without my dragging to the other page to hunt down these texts I write, unless you meant the middle scale gene altering genetic code, which I have addressed above. Do please be slightly more explicit, to jar my memory to the exact subject, on arbitrarily numbered methods, as the come to my mind.
rubbercraft 2 years ago
(6) I have no data on [wild] hare and [domesticated] rabbit. It took hours to download just the 9 chromosomes from Fasta, without failure of connections, and such corrupting data or shortening files in the middle of download. As such, I cannot address the data, other than a presumption that if they can breed "mules" or even offspring, then the complexes of genetic code allow such crossover, or even contain a similar set of high level / middle level, code swapping and mixing
rubbercraft 2 years ago
(7) mechanisms for survival in times of great genetic peril. But I have little real data, here. However, if the survival mechanism of meta-level code alteration is such an important evolutionary force, kept in most life forms, as an assumption of survival, then I can asssume there will be epochal evidences in many life forms of this mecahnism at work, but I know not where, as I have only concentrated on the most evident communicative species of humans, and their christian depricated
rubbercraft 2 years ago
(8) primate model of relation in a creation model proponed by chrinstian founded deceptive and secretive american socialist nationalist federation.
rubbercraft 2 years ago
(9) I can speak on plants that show from few to many chromosomes, which show a likely high level of ancient genetic machinery for fusion and fission of chromosomes, which is important for a static life form that must survive on the gene codes for recompilation and recoding, at a level similar to human code writers in C or Basic, with inter module replacement capacities, beyond fast moving norms of animals
rubbercraft 2 years ago
From wikipedia chimpanzee_genome_project:
"At the site of fusion, there are approximately 150,000 base pairs of sequence not found in chimpanzee chromosomes 2A and 2B. Additional linked copies of the PGML/FOXD/CBWD genes exist elsewhere in the human genome, particularly near the p end of chromosome 9. "
Our ancestors were quite human at the time of the fusion.
Mdebacle 2 years ago
Understood.
What is the nature of the miniscule 150,000 [BP] data? Are they repeated code, or copied code from elsewhere in the Chimpanzee?
How are genetic scientists certain, also, that ancient chromosomes underwent human C2 fusion occured, and not an equivalent model where ancient fission occured, that both helped primes flourish in their newly found C2A, C2B state, as well as the most special of branches of the isolated human line C2?
There MUST be special evidence to show.
rubbercraft 2 years ago
Additional copies of PGML/FOXD/CBWD in humans, may have been removed by genetic machinery at the time of a theoretical fission event that formed the primates seen today, veruss the fusion that is claimed is the certain reult of the human line from primates. How do they detect that is was not a fission forming primates from a human line, and not fusion of primates to form the human line.
Both hypoth- occur in epochal past, and must be derived CAREFULLY from all gene data to determine which
rubbercraft 2 years ago
With either fission from 46 to 48 or fusion from 48 to 46, a difficult transition thru 47 is implied.
A simpler solution is that humans and apes hybridized to 47 chr australo-something which hybridized with humans to 46/47 neanderthals.
This is an expansion on the Nick Patterson hybrid theory of May '06.
Mdebacle 2 years ago
This is correct. If genes exist for actual reprogramming of chromosomes due to specialized conditions, it would require, either a period of Liger / Mule / Hybridization breeding between, I would think, 46es and 48es, or vice versa. There would not be a 47, because the codes would almost invariably require a binary pair shift in the gammates, so 47 would likely be infertiles.
rubbercraft 2 years ago
The 47 chromosome hybrid australo-somethings would (like mules) not have been self-sustaining, but females mating with humans could have produced neaderthals, some of which would have had 46 and started a self-sustaing population.
Mdebacle 2 years ago
I believe it would read, given all hypothesis possible, would not have likely been self sustaining, but depends on the exact mechanism of hybridization, and any genetic machinery available within the genome for broad system genome self-modiication.
For example, editing the data for photoshop rendering, I noticed one of the first 9 numbered chromosomes had an ACGT reorder, assuming not an ENTRES storage error, could indicate a large collection of genetic dual boot mode DNA.
rubbercraft 2 years ago
(errata) Instead: (... One of the sections, rather large on 60% scale of the particular chromosome, of the first 9 numbered chromosomes had an ACGT reorder ...)
rubbercraft 2 years ago
Dual boot mode DNA functional in two DNA modes from ancient times, of ACGT, and hypothetically exampled, like a TACG recoding that also functions, possibly, to be in the genome of Pan ~ or Homo ~.
Otherwise, ENTRES FASTA data may be terribly in error, to have a large section of reordered ACGT, within the test file format download, but seems unlikely to be servered that way, from Human and Pan genome projects.
Not that your theory could not happen, also, but yours closes doors narrowly.
rubbercraft 2 years ago
Likewise, was the fusion or fission in the time of neanderthals or in the time of Lucy, or millions of years ago, in primate ancient roots history. To make one choice, may atificially close some doors of perception of alternatie hypothesis, I think may still be on the table, unless there is good thourough multidimensional data to cover all bases of an essentially very ancient cause, with only ripple effects visible today in genome remains of living species near the 100% access to data level.
rubbercraft 2 years ago
e.g. neanderthal mtDNA of only 0.03% of human genome in rough estimate, of biased maternal mitochondrial only genome window, is all that is available today. Do you understand the bias possible, compared to 9 chromosomes of almost 70.000% comparison, in comparison, with chimpanzees?
rubbercraft 2 years ago
If 47s could exist, there would be a very unique set of gene codes that can utilize such an extremely difficult unpaired road. Causing such problems among XYY syndrome, and Klinefelter's syndrome XXY sundrome ("Affected males are almost always effectively infertile"), being the few barely-viable solutions to that crossover.
rubbercraft 2 years ago
The mamalian line of primates are are geared around an equal pair, so 46 to 48 or 48 to 46 seems the only likely mechanisms, a theoretical system editing gene complex would likely allow.
rubbercraft 2 years ago
I doubt they can number chromosomes of Neanderthals
BTW (australo ... pithecus): Wikipedia:
"The genus Australopithecus (Latin australis "southern", Greek πίθηκος pithekos "ape") is a genus of extinct hominids, made up of the gracile australopiths, and formerly also included their larger relatives, the robust australopiths (which are now given their own genus). The genus Australopithecus is closely related to the human genus Homo, and may be ancestral to it."
rubbercraft 2 years ago
The Neanderthal studies only cover 1,000,000 BP of mtDNA (mitochondrial DNA subset)
rubbercraft 2 years ago
One million Neanderthal mtDNA out of 3 billion human BP, or about estimated 0.03%, too small to estimate chromosome counts even, given noise to signal ratio of sample size, and locality on mtDNA. My humble dragon opinion...
rubbercraft 2 years ago
Thank you for the input of current sparse evidence starting to be produced from genomic studies.
LoneRubberDragon / Duragon Seto Rumi / Draashek'gaons
rubbercraft 2 years ago
(4) likely very different modes of operation, as much as X and Y define biological sex. These show evidences of large scale genetically controlled metastructural machinery and epochal rate genetic grand modifications, for purposes of survival as presumed is the basis of continued combinatorial chemistry existence of complexes of reactions: see LoneRubberDragon in Wikipedia of my talk pages, on
rubbercraft 2 years ago
(10) genetics, with more epochal potentials for such grand code rewites, compared to mutable plants. Fruit Flies show a certain modularity of code in heirarchical code control structures, given that antennae can be converted to legs or wings, or such multiple thorax repeition experiments, show that small bits of code can be used to alter the modularity of the combinatorial chemistry genetics systems, in that life form.
rubbercraft 2 years ago
(11 END)
Out of (1) - (10) I have transcribed the genetic data of the email into the miniscule text box of this channel. I hope it is quite readable to you. Thank you for asking it again, here, as in private email.
LoneRubberDragon / Draashek'gaons / Duragon Seto Rumi / RubberCraft
rubbercraft 2 years ago
what could be the reason to fuse the 2A and 2B chromosomes into one?
Is this kind of thing observed to have happened in any other kind of species?
TheStoicAgnostic 2 years ago
The most probable mechanism would be called Horizontal Gene Transfer, that is common in bacteria, but quite rare in complex genomes. In this case it would be HGT fusing the entire chomosome 2A and 2B. The subject is covered under Horizontal Gene Transfer in Wikipedia, but would be within the same specie, or perhaps between two compatible primates, somewhat like Ligers, that are a breed of Lions and Tigers, but would have a HGT, and not just simple genetic crossover.
rubbercraft 2 years ago
Likewise, HGT would occur in the gammates fusion process, as HGT would likely never occur in complex organisms, as true conventional HGT typically occurs across membrane boundaries of simple one cell organisms.
An other method would be simple mutational merging of 2A and 2B from some form of common code at the ends of the corresponding chromosomes.
A third method would be a break of chromosome 2 in ancient history from a root primate, forming a family of simple primates with 2A and 2B ...
rubbercraft 2 years ago
and leaving a main line in just humans that survives today as a singular 2 chomosome, surrounded by split 2A 2B relative primates.
I often wonder if Geneticists assume 2A 2B was a fusion into human 2, because of end marker degredation or losses, or if they have guessed, and it may actually be a breaking of an ancient human-primate Ch2 into Ch2A and Ch2B into a tree of relative primate species, today. I have not made such a personal analysis, as it would require delicate code to analyze it.
rubbercraft 2 years ago
From the first post, I would rewrite "The most probable" into "One probable", just to cover its candidacy, and not rank based on known study of the data.
rubbercraft 2 years ago
As far as its common-ness, I would presume all species of life have used some form of fusions, and fissions (breaks), and Horizontal Gene Transfers, in evolutionary time. The more complex the species, the more rare the potential, overall, simply due to code alteration compexity.
However, for fissions, a break or fusion, in complex species, may also even be due to special genetic machinery used to rarely occasionally coalate and separate chomosome codes in evolutionary time, as a fourth way.
rubbercraft 2 years ago
very well explained, the only problem is that the people you are targeting are too fucking stupid to understand it.
volound 2 years ago
Very interesting video,
I'm just wondering,
1) What is the mechanism that enables the DNA of apes actually evolved to Humans DNA. I mean, which traits of the cells that enables this? If it is capable of discovering new patterns it must be obvious and how does it perform these calculations.
2)How do we verify which is the origin of which? What is the methodology used to determine the chronology of evolution? any specific mechanism?
Very informative video, thanks for uploading.
azzuwan78 3 years ago
1) The DNA stores digital forms of steady state patterns of operations. If some patterns deal with processing perpetuation beyond one locus of activity to another it may still record new methods not seen before. Meiosis is one class of such activity between organism generations. Mitosis between cell generations. It can range from brute force on a molecular level to algorithmic huristics in immune to memetic-memory-pattern informations.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
1.b) ... steady state patterns with coherent feedback mechanisms relative to the environment ...
rubbercraft 3 years ago
1.c) Some channels are claimed closed to modification, such as individual experience being passed through meiosis, except for epigenetic markers, but not DNA control codes. Thus another forbidden region of operation among modern DNA human structures, like those mentioned below at X2).
rubbercraft 3 years ago
2) It depends how "frozen" DNA and epigenetic DNA information are in processing in modern life compared to the grab bag of fluid operations that could have occured in early earth(s). If modern DNA is a very different code from its ancient forms, the current code can contain anything from a DNA centric process to a map of most nearby explorable living biological systems of the last millions of years representation.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
2.b) A code with only bottom up developments being recorded would reduce to the natural Darwinian methods of natural selection of the offspring production methods. No intelligence in any meta level would exist here, that is without culture, more akin to survival in a top down less macro sphere.
2.c) The existence of top down level structures would connote other levels of processing, through brute force to huristic trials, like immune systems and say human control immune systems.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
2.d) ... DNA organism-path-net-trace centric process ...
rubbercraft 3 years ago
X) Moreso, is DNA the only biological polymer that can form human level complexity and order? Would there have been other chemistries possible before DNA dominated the encoding standards, and are they less versatile in most domains of biological operation.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
X2) Modern versions of Miller-Urey experiments can indicate what systems of early earth were deserts and which were fruitful for combinatorial chemistry reaching some level of polymerization and feedback chemistry stronger than the stochastic main class of chemistry.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
It should be noted that some domains of DNA operation show forbidden regions on earth, like a lifeform that can eat all other life forms through mutiform enzymatic breakdown with body locus maintenance, or immortal individual organisms on the human scales. It itself defines a locus of origin and destination force.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
X3) The most interesting piece, I forgot to mention of the video, is a large span of C5 or so that I had to invert two of the color encode axes. Does this indicate an NCBI ENTREZ data error, or a span of DNA that has an ancient code translation, or even DNA with dual mode encode when this translator is passed over that section? In my video, I changed the colors, and thus made the human and chimpanzee code match, from the distant ancestor that did not have such a DNA code flip.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
arguing on youtube is like the special olympics, even if you win, you're still retarted :]
Imaginationpen 3 years ago
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rubbercraft 3 years ago
lol wel evolution theory can be contradicted so yeah idk... think for myself is all i wanna do and im not gonna take in what im told
pup101 3 years ago
May Vishnu strike you down, you ignorant fool.
AziMeX 3 years ago
To AssMix, Uh I mean AziMeX is it? Oh the Irony of your last statement. (If you only knew!)
BlackBeltNumber3 3 years ago
Thats so original. How many hours did it take to think of that one. I get it, you changed some off the letters of my screen name to say something rude. You're so retarded that you're either a Christian or a Muslim, which is it?
AziMeX 3 years ago
To AssMix: atheist believe everything came from nothing and that's just plain ignorant. Wake up and eat some brain food or something ya big dummy! :) LOL!
BlackBeltNumber3 3 years ago
Are you a trained chimpanzee?
AziMeX 3 years ago
To AssMix:
A trained chimpanzee at least would be much better than a Muslim.
BlackBeltNumber3 3 years ago
Just from the statement you made its clear that you didn't evolve from apes, but that you are an ape.
AziMeX 3 years ago
Also if I may let me sum up Christian theology
1. God creates imperfect human beings
2. God is extremely angry His creation are sinners, even though He designed us.
3. All human deeds are worthless, redemption comes from the idea that God sent a part of himself to come down and "die" for us.
4. So in essence the Christian theology states that God masterminded his own suicide.
Anyone who believes this is not too far intellectually from kids who believe in Santa.
But at least kids have an excuse!
AziMeX 3 years ago
I could'nt have said it better!!!!!
1CME90 3 years ago
You couldn't have said it better? :D
AziMeX 3 years ago
Imagine if I said that my latest book came from nothing. The text fell together in a coherent order, the page numbers fell in numerical order, it bound itself, the cover designed itself, and then out of nowhere the title, You Can Lead an Atheist to Evidence, But You Cant Make Him Think appeared. There was no author, no printer, and no publisher. Why then would anyone give any credibility to an atheist?
BlackBeltNumber3 3 years ago
I don't give retards the time of day. I won't validate your ignorance with a rational response.
AziMeX 3 years ago
If you only knew the total irony of your last statement. You're a sheep.
BlackBeltNumber3 3 years ago
LMAO I'M A SHEEP
Loooooooooooooooooooooool
If Jesus were here, he'd slap the taste out of your mouth for being a retarded monkey. Monkeys like you should be shot at birth, as well as your crack whore mother for giving birth to such a pathetic waste of life.
AziMeX 3 years ago
And your last statement about the book, and letters falling in place. Even a child with basic understanding would not have said such an incredibly idiotic statement. I don't argue with monkeys like you, because its like trying to convince a 5 year old Santa isn't real. Atleast kids have an excuse, you're 37 apparently, whats your excuse? Mental retardation?
AziMeX 3 years ago
Wow! And you kiss your mom with that mouth? Dude, I do circles around your puny intellect. Let's play chess sometime... that would be humorous. It would be idiotic to believe that a book just sorta happened. What's even more asinine is to believe that everything came from nothing like atheists believe. Now go back to your corner little boy.
BlackBeltNumber3 3 years ago
"lets play chess sometime...."
Loooool, what a monkey brained fucktard.
AziMeX 3 years ago
To AssMix again:
How original. Afraid I'd kick your arse in chess huh? Well, if you don't like chess then you could always come down to my dojo and we could "talk" about it there if you would like. Let me know, or are you just going to stay in your room and continue jerking-off to anime?
BlackBeltNumber3 3 years ago
In that case you are a retarded Christian, may Jesus (aka the Iranian President) wipe out every Christian on this planet with nuclear weapons.
AziMeX 3 years ago
To AssMixx:
Ow! That hurt me right in the feelings... not!
Go suck on a big fat turd ya retard. :0
BlackBeltNumber3 3 years ago
Nah, that may be what your whore mother taught you to do, but normal people don't do things like that. Redneck fucker. I bet your dad raped you in the ass when you were a toddler.
AziMeX 3 years ago
Wow. That was the best you could come up with? Quit eating your mom's hot carls, because your comebacks totally suck. Yo cago en la leche de tu puta madre :)
BlackBeltNumber3 3 years ago
Fucking dirty immigrant speak english or shut the fuck up. By the way, judo is for bitches and 10 year old. I'll fuck you up put you in a coma and make you eat your own shit. You mum loves my comebacks.
AziMeX 3 years ago
To AssMixx: Haven't heard from you in awhile. Glad to see you're back. So lets get back to it. :)
Judo? What a retard you are. It's not Judo, it's Ju Jutsu, we specialize in bone-breaking and muscle ripping, not that lame Judo bull-shit. Furthermore, you went from calling me a red-neck to a dirty immigrant you're so stupid! I'm just fluent in other languages you Govniuk.
Ti lyubeesh papeenu peesku sassate
BlackBeltNumber3 3 years ago
I don't understand your chimp talk.
Stop pretending to know ju jitsu after having masturbated over ufc you old fuktard
AziMeX 3 years ago
Ju Jutsu, not ju jitsu. One is Japanese and the other is stupid worthless Brazilian ineffective bullshit. Well... I'm outta comebacks today. It's been fun exchanging insults with each-other. You had some pretty good ones!! We'll have to do this again some time, take care. :)
BlackBeltNumber3 3 years ago
Lol
you too!
AziMeX 3 years ago
(2) So random mutations in a field of DNA sponsored evolution has produced not one bound book for Hemoglobin, but many variants, some only used by foetuses, and some used by adults. In the animal kingdom, there are even more variants of Hemoglobin.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
(4) In fact, in biochemistry occuring in a pool of water loaded with carbon compounds, one will get many "parallel" books being produced simultaneously when a top level goal of the biochemistry is observed by the reactions. So it isn't a case of one book self assembling itself, but a case of millions of copes of the book evolving and reaching for the inherent feedback chemistry that supports itslef. One book assembling itself is a miracle, but a million copies approaching the final target
rubbercraft 3 years ago
(5) but a million copies approaching the final target in functionality, is not such a miracle, as much as combinatorial chemistry.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
(6) In DNA in life, the letters show not so random statistics. For just 5 elements, one only sees 27 "letters" on any one element, in a Markov Syntax, with the following ACGT frequencies (X):
rubbercraft 3 years ago
(3) So the problem with randomness reaching a target misses the factors of molecular non-random relations, and the use of many target forms that happen to behave the same. Like a 1700 version of Hamlet and a 2000 version of hamlet may be written different, but all versions carry the useful information. All of the parallel probabilities allows numerous nearly identical functionality molecules to form, from the basic non-random rules of polymer binding in amino acids and RNA and DNA.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
(1) The random letters problem lies with the target of one exact book. Random letters with not so random associations inherent to the letter physics, like "SH", "TH", "OO", "TT" occur more often then "ZX", "QR", "XY", "PX". Let monkeys type at "random" with Markov statistical orders, and you can get hundreds of versions of readable "Hamlets", but none of them will be the exact Shakespeare Hamlet. But they will all have similar functionality. Like humans have 7 versions of Hemoglobin codes.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
Just for your info, we ARE classified as "primates" in biology.
wildreams 3 years ago
Clearly you don't understand a joke.
AziMeX 3 years ago
I don't know why i made that previous post, perhaps it was meant as a reply to another guy XD
wildreams 3 years ago
Yup!
1CME90 3 years ago
(5) Seems like an awful waste of government and corporate money, if eveyone is faking all of the inferential data of human and primate DNA, when any Intelligent Design Scientist could do their own research these days to show the "great theoretical deception" of the world.
And if ID fails, we are left with humans that are quite genetically similar in "code" design on all scales to primates ... and the WHY this creator-God would choose that deceptive path for the last generation's research.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
(4) And only in the "last generations" would science have even discovered that our genetic code was "not of this world", which wouldn't necessarily have proven that God exists to science, as science could have said we humans are genetic aliens from an unknown interplanetary origin.
But ... God didn't even choose to do this, but decided to "copy" the design of primates, in order to make the human design.
Either that, or alot of scientists are lying about the megabytes of DNA data.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
(3) So while I can say there is no definite proof short of decades of research, to correlate the extent of the already great genetic similarity, there is a large amount of inference that humans and primates are quite related.
My thoughts wonder sometimes why God didn't make human DNA a completely new map of genetic code, compared to primates.
For 10,000 years, no human would have known of the unbelieveable unrelated differences between man and all animals, expecially primates.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
(2) On the other hand, we appear on all scales of analysis, genetically very similar to primates compared to other mammals or distant lifeforms.
Primates and humans catch very many of the same diseases, just because our genetic "software" is so similar.
One wonders, do we take the lifes of primates to study human diseases, as if they were nothing more than disposable "zoe"-animal-life, without a concern for any soul content than a mouse?
rubbercraft 3 years ago
(1) Like a character from Ghost in the Shell, I am figting at both ends of the fire for the outline of truth.
On one hand the Bible has definite statements about special origin of humans, and a number of holistic systemic definitions of a special soul, which I can appreciate from quantum physics entanglement potentials.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
We ARE APES. Humans & chimpanzees share a common ancestor. I like to call that a straw man.
So you are claiming kids who didn't know God during there adolescent had a BAD childhood? Nice generalizations.
You can;t prove ANYTHING in science. You can't prove God created us neither, but there are tons of evidence for evolution
C00lblkatheist 3 years ago
"Why would anyone want to believe that we evolved from ancient apes?"
Because that's what the evidence indicates. No one would "want to believe" this, we believe it because of the evidence.
"I can believe that we are RELATED to apes but I will NEVER believe that we evolved from them!"
Why not? Why is the idea so offensive to you? Look, I hate to be the one to burst your creationist bubble, but just because you aren't comfortable with the idea doesn't mean it isn't accurate.
Longsday 3 years ago
Scientific claims over the years:
The earth is flat. Only 1100 stars. Earth sat on a large animal. All sars are the same. Light is in a fixed place. Air is weightles. Winds blow straight. Sick people must be bled. The ocean floor is flat. Ocean fed only by rivers and rain. Hands must be washed in still water. Now "science" claims that we've evolved from primordial soup.
BlackBeltNumber3 3 years ago
Ah, yes. True enough for those points, I do grant you. At the same time, Galileio thought the earth went around the sun, and the church claimed it blasphemy. And recently, the Papalcy office apologized for dismissing Darwin's ideas as heresy.
As for kind from kind, why does star fusion make heavy elements like Iron and Uranium, from Hydrogen and Helium. That's complexity from simplicity, AND different from different.
And elements form molecules: complexity from simplicity.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
Oh short lifes! And combinatorial chemistry may allow complexity from simplicity in a modestly rich lifeless ocean, where molecules allow more new molecules, and more new molecules allow even more new molecules, until you may just have life forming on its own.
Read abiogenesis articles on:
lonerubberdragon(.)blogspot(.)com
to get an idea of what I mean by combinatorial chemistry.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
Oh, and in the Old Testament, they had slavery. Why did they not have apprenticeship, or employment, but slavery of all things? Incomprehensible, that God didn't want people to life people up, instead of making them slaves.
Oh, and what about the Jewish Levitical Priesthood. They were commissioned by God to teach his word, and they corrupted themselves, until Jesus comes saying that they have made His temple a den of thieves, an open sepulchure, so to speak, and sought to kill Him.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
And they are God's chosen people for Zion. God went so far as to threaten a writ of divorce with Israel, for their corruptions, again and again.
So one religious phase, attacks another religious phase, as part of the Plan of the one YHVH.
And as religion is supported by humans with foibles, so too science is supported by humans with foibles. So both sides have made mistakes. Eh ... what is your point again?
LoneRubberDragon
rubbercraft 3 years ago
Error: "want to life people up" should read "want to lift people up".
rubbercraft 3 years ago
And need I mention, that some modern so-called Christians think the earth is literally 6000 years old, when the stars in the sky appear to be billions of light years away, at their furthest. A God of celestial deception? Or tree ring / ice core data showing weather history tens of thousands of years.
And christian scientists who say going to the doctor is unnecessary because God's will and faith are to be followed paramount. And the past church selling indulgences.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
Meanwhile, all along, the Bible has stated the Truth. The earth is a sphere (Isaiah 40:22) Incalculable number of stuars (Jeremiah 33:22) Free float of earth in space (Job:7) Creation made of invisible elements (Hebrews 11:3) Each star is different (1 Corn. 15:41) Light moves (job 38:19,20)
BlackBeltNumber3 3 years ago
Air has weight (Job 28:25) Winds blow in cyclones (Ecclesiastes 1:6) Blood is the source of life and health (Leviticus 17:11) Ocean floor contains deep valleys and mountains (2 Sm 22:16; Jonah 2:6) Oceans contains springs (Job 38;16) When dealing with disease, hand should be washed under running water (Leviticus 15:13) Everything produces after their own kind. (Genesis 1)
BlackBeltNumber3 3 years ago
Something else I've noticed; the food we eat represents our matter construct, the protiens we consume to exist are far from chimps in such a large quantity, the "you are what you eat" context, I feel, is a fair argument to be raised because, imo, we are a culmination of all creatures on earth.
AtonEDBD 3 years ago
Food represents some of what we are, but the majority of the blueprint is genetic. Also, foods are broken down to mostly minor sized molecules, so alot of the meso-structure of food is lost, and only the proportions of general basic molecules are affecting the metabolic blueprint of the human eating. You feed human food to a chimp species for centuries, will not make humans, I *think*. But select the smartest chimps for breeding, and teach them, and you get humans-two "soon".
rubbercraft 3 years ago
Humans, indeed, are *A* culmination of evolution, naturally speaking, but dolphins, other primates, cephalopods, et cetera, are all capable, given the *opportunity*, to become additional culminations of creatures on earth, with respect to universe changing capacities.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
I like the way the word "code" is used.
Last time I checked, code can only be created from an intelligence.
Personally, I don't think we'll ever know if we evolved from chimps until we do a live test but, technologically, we are understated and thus I can't accept that theory as fact.
I'll remain 50/50 about it until, if I live long enough, proof suffices one or the other.
AtonEDBD 3 years ago
Check systems and algorithms under evolution, accumulation, and feedback, in general, and you will see that code can be made by machines, by autonomous growing. The intelligence can be inherent in the system of connections, cooperation, preservation, numeration, durability, and synergy. I'll email you an essay on abiogenesis for background and theoretical evidence.
If we are not evolved from chimps, compared to mice, amobeas, plants, then we are a striking copy from chimps in DNA and body.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
Yes I'd like that e-mail please 8)
However, wouldn't natural selection eliminate chimps if we are, indeed, from them?
As far as I've noticed, all matter exists for a purpose that appears to serve human beings.
Having five fingers and toes with no outside interference, I'd say nature is as fair as possible, why would it select chimps as our ancestors yet decide to give us increased mental faculties that, obviously have proven is destructive towards nature? Are we some kind of cyanide?
AtonEDBD 3 years ago
Email sent, cheers.
Natural selection eliminates ecosystem incompatible species. Chimps continue to survive in their ecosystem, as do orangutans, great apes, et cetera, so the nature of evolution continues as structured, otherwise, they would be extinct. And to be exact, the past version of chimps and other primates, including humans, no longer exist in their original forms, but do exist in their current forms, and will exist in future forms.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
Yes, the Anthropic Principle is strong in this universe's matter. But any universe with "monads" that connect and have states in a certain critical format form maso-scale life. Too little bonding, and gases and liquids are only formed. Too much bonding, and amorphous glasses are only formed. Critical balanced bonding of special monads, allows meso-scale life naturally in the rules.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
Proto-chimps had the most genetic potential of all species to develop a higher intellect species from their codes, with evolutionary adaptation forces in the ecosystems of the times. Once intellect is hit on, it causes selection and feedback properties, selecting the smartest and most surviving individuals for breeding, over genetically rote instinctual species without mental adaptation, genetic selection influence. It is not a "decision", it is inherent to the selection processes.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
Negative thoughts, are definitely a poison to the meso-earth ecosystem. The Bible puts good thoughts over evil thoughts, to fix this new level of informational evolution structure and control.
Does fair design not allow cut off fingers to appendages to grow back, like some animals and plants? Does fair design give tonsils and appendixes that we can "live" without, and cause suffering in known design issues of infections? We appear *too* natural, descended from a proto-primate.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
It's anice job. But the job isn't finished. Chimps and Bonobo's have absorbed the genome of a Human Endogenous Retrovirus K (HERV-K) in their genome, and Humans not (there is neighter a sign that we once had it). Humans have the genes coding for the Center of Broca (wich makes it possible that we can talk), but al the other primates haven't got those genes.
To prove that Humans evolve from a more primitive primate, there must be detailed explanation for these problems. 3 stars.
MismeretMonk 3 years ago
IT IS FINISHED: Humans have Human Endogenous Retrovirus K, as do some primates.
"To determine whether HERV-K elements have caused recent changes in the human genome, we have undertaken a study of the level of HERV-K polymorphism that exists in the human population. By using a high-resolution unblotting technique, we analyzed 13 human-specific HERV-K elements in 18 individuals."
Even if humans didn't have something and chimps and bonobos do, means that there is divergence by evolution.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
Like you mentioned Humand have a Broca Center with associated genes because we have adapted to speech, while primates haven't had a selection pressure to develop speech in their habitats. That is another axample of evolutionary divergence.
Otherwise, humans and chimpanzees show chromosomal, architectural, gene order, and gene expression similarity as if they were written for the same operating system from common descent, or God copied code and modded it just a little.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
Is that enough detail to cover the discrepancies caused by divergence over 3 million years or so of continuing evolution.
REFERENCE:
G o o g l e: +"Human Endogenous Retrovirus K"
rubbercraft 3 years ago
Who gave you the bogus HERV-K data? 2 stars commenter.
Another reference:
Human endogenous retrovirus K (HERV-K) is related to the mouse mammary tumor virus and is present in the genomes of humans, apes and cercopithecoids (Old World monkeys). It is unknown how long ago in primate evolution the full-length HERV-K proviruses that are in the human genome today were formed. RESULTS: Ten full-length HERV-K proviruses were cloned from the human genome.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
... Using provirus-specific probes, eight of the ten were found to be present in a genetically diverse set of humans but not in other extant hominoids.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
Intact preintegration sites for each of these eight proviruses were present in the apes. A ninth provirus was detected in the human, chimpanzee, bonobo and gorilla genomes, but not in the orang-utan genome. The tenth was found only in humans, chimpanzees and bonobos.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
Complete sequencing of six of the human-specific proviruses showed that full-length open reading frames for the retroviral protein precursors Gag-Pro-Pol or Env were each present in multiple proviruses.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
CONCLUSIONS: At least eight full-length HERV-K genomes that are in the human germline today integrated after humans diverged from chimpanzees. All of the viral open reading frames and cis-acting sequences necessary for HERV-K replication must have been intact during the recent time when these proviruses formed. Multiple full-length open reading frames for all HERV-K proteins are present in the human genome today.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
So this covers those sub-topics, that were not the aspect being covered by my video limited to considering the chromosomal, architectural, gene ordering, and genetic patterns near the base level at a visual resolution of 1 in 10,000,000 in ACGT color, whereas older G-Band comparisons of primates with humans were done at a resolution of 1 in 2,000 in black and white. My video never intended to to cover your topics, as a subject for another video.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
Anyway, "Bright Eyes", why would the sequence be called Human Endogenous, if it is never found in Humans? Its like calling a sequence Blue Whale Endogenous, and it is only found in Humans. Anyways, both of your linguistic skills could use some bookS-plural reading.
(and "Bright Eyes" is a reference to "The Planet of the Apes", for chimpanzee Psychologist Dr. Zira's pet name for human American Astronaut Colonel George Taylor)
rubbercraft 3 years ago
this is why creationists dont get it, its harder than their answer. god did it. its far easier to believe in god than to have to read alot. this is why i used ot believe in god because i didnt have the knowledge
ragnar336 3 years ago
There also many people who find it easier to belief everything that a man in a with coat says. They don't want to read of think neighter.
MismeretMonk 3 years ago
trust me your taking the short road to getting answers, just read books not book. but i do agree on one thing with you, and that is that there are people who believe in evolution like its a faith and they are just as delusional as religious people. so on that not e what if they read both sides and rewlized that proving something outweighs just blindly accepting it(usually because your parents and family accept it)
ragnar336 3 years ago
That doesn't mean believing data in evolution or religion is delusional, but make up your own minds with knowledge, because no knowledge is nothing to base a decision on. Some super-evolutionists don't understand religion, and some super religious don't understand evolution. If you take the middle path, you are much less likely to be a delusional extreme. Science only or religion only as a faith, is short sighted.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
Souls without science is lame, and science without souls is blind. (intentionally quoted in this form)
Think, Ghost in the Shell technology in the future. Yeah they can save a brain on a computer process, but does it capture your soul so you can live on owning property and having legal rights, or is the soul lost in saving only the emergent properties of the brain?
rubbercraft 3 years ago
So, if science can save a dying person's mind in another body, but the soul is lost because some quantum physics measurement self wasn't accounted for, science is blinded by their sometimes hatered of soul matters.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
Religions claim to save souls, but have no scientific proof anything is being accomplished to actually save souls, as they expect God to do all of the work, which is lame.
rubbercraft 3 years ago
I think that depends on how you view religion.