We fight on that lie

[smokingintherain56]

i like how i type things on youtube and find exactly what i was looking for.

[holdemehha]

Is this a reference to the war in Iraq?

[Tigerlily21]

Slim Charles was one of my favorites. Love this guy's loyalty, his voice and his whole vibe. This was his best lines of the show in this scene.

[muhammedar]

Sean Beans voice and this guys voice are the 2 most epic voices i've heard my whole life.

[hockeyprofit19]

Slim was smart. He was pragmatic, picked his spots, and when he knew it was his time to rise up he did. He was well respected by EVERYONE in the CO-OP and even Omar respected Slim. Without a doubt the most underated character in The Wire.

[OcelotDAD]

this is one of my favorite scenes of the whole series....

[Babyfacedblackjesus]

Str8 soulja!

[MrBigoj]

I bet you George Bush and Dick Cheney had the same conversation on Iraq after 9/11 with Slim Charles being Cheney and Avon being Bush

[Keyser21]

@MrBigoj thanks for summing up the top 2 comments!

[Powerules]

One of the best scenes on The Wire, and for me, the best line in any season - "If it's a lie, then we fight on that lie. But, we gotta' fight."

[Anonymous7827]

@Powerules Definitely. I feel like this scene can apply to many of the institutions in the Wire- the police force's unwillingness to change from the buy-bust tactics, the stevedores inability to restore a dying industry, the schools, etc. Especially Carcetti's serial killer.

[EMPIREofPUPPETS]

What kind of pro-war, propaganda bullshit, is this?

[Twisttheawesome]

@EMPIREofPUPPETS

It's obviously not pro-war you fucking idiot.

[EMPIREofPUPPETS]

@Twisttheawesome

Sure it is you stupid fuck.

"If it's a LIE, you fight on that LIE."

God Damn people like you are dumb as fuck.

[Twisttheawesome]

@EMPIREofPUPPETS

It didn't say "Man war is AWESOME, I love fighting on war!"

It said they're fighting on a lie. If anything it's anti-war stating that the reasons for going to war are shallow. What about these characters makes you think we're meant to side with them? Are you literally so dumb you can't understand such a simple contextual subject?

[Twisttheawesome]

@EMPIREofPUPPETS You twat. How does saying it's a lie make it pro-war? If anything it's anti war. Saying something is a lie, is a criticism.

You are a fucking idiot, who has obviously never read a work of satire. I bet you think we're meant to be cheering on Tony Soprano too.

[maxjordan90]

Something I noticed on a rewatch. The war probably wouldn't have happened if the towers didn't come down in the first episode of season 3. Sound familiar?

[K3ilza]

@maxjordan90 Brilliant. Comments on The Wire videos have to the best on youtube. Although below me it looks like your comment has got a few people side-tracked.

[kandinskyforfootball]

@maxjordan90 Explain plse.

[maxjordan90]

@kandinskyforfootball The whole war between Barksdale and Marlo is a metaphor for the war in Iraq. The war in Iraq started based on the lie that they were responsible for the World Trade Center being attacked. The war between Barksdale and Marlo would have never happened if the terrace towers weren't taken down.

[dumichauch0o]

enough with the bush/cheney shit. You americans are so self-centered...

This is a thing that applies to almost every war (also metaphorically)

[maxjordan90]

@dumichauch0o David Simon said in the commentary track on the season 3 dvd that the war in season 3 is a metaphor for the war in Iraq so shut up.

[pigeonpsycho]

niggers.

[Canez73]

Does anyone know where I can get this in audio?

[Secret911]

Slim held it down for the whole of baltimore, and was the last man standing aswell, possibly the smartest soldier in the game and for sure a true OG

[kandinskyforfootball]

There's something odd about Slim. It was like he was jumping to and fro between Avon and Marlo.

[Secret911]

@kandinskyforfootball

That's how the game had changed over time.

[kandinskyforfootball]

What d'you mean?

[Secret911]

@kandinskyforfootball

When the barksdale organisation was diminished slim had to represent for the eastside to have any part of the game

[kandinskyforfootball]

Doesn't west side hate eastside? Slim being from the West 'at heart' like Avon should have been too narcissistic to even say Eastside let alone represent, well who Avon calls, "Bitches". Isn't Marlo Westside?

[HALFDEAD66]

@kandinskyforfootball I could see your point. I think Slim was just playing from a position of survival. He went with who was in a position of power at the time. I suspect both Avon and Marlo respected him, or he would have got dealt with sooner or later.

[oaklandbay9800]

a how can i get da audio version of this

[hiphopheadism]

@lenin405 no, Michael wasn't wanted because the streets was talkin'. a guy like Marlo who felt he was too careful to get arrested started thinkin' HIMSELF police had any info on him at all, and to be honest he felt deep down inside Michael didn't rat but as he said after when Chris said "i don't see the boy snitchin' though" and he replies "but you willin' to bet ya life on that"?

[donnylorenzo]

this is a very true quote. and yeah you can relate this to what's been going on the past 10 years and wars before that if you want to. but its the truth, plain and simple, i dont give a fuck if your a dem or a rep, see it for what it is, the truth.

[jordanav]

Avon finally had a new prespective on the game when he was on the loosing end, thats what happens no one stays on top forever, he finally saw how fucked up the was when he was on the otherside. Emprie getting shutdown,loosing his people to the police and war,loosing his family and best friend and getting his ass kicked by Marlo and his crew.

[Swodeyem]

Slim Charles is awesome.

[Secret911]

If I wanted to build an organisation I would definently need a true soldier like slim charles, his aura in the family was so cool.

He was a straight up G who would be there until the end, making all the right decisions along the way.

[thecalistallion]

"If it's a lie...then we fight on that LIE. But WE gotta FiGHt." -Slim Charles

[Reqrezentin]

Hahaha, Black Dick Cheney.

[slimithy12]

THE NAZI COULD REALATE TO THAT LINE.

[oaklandbay9800]

main truer wordz were never spoken we gotta fight

[immortalass]

they oughtta put slim on the TV as a political pundit, shake things up a little.

[82y]

Slim was right. They had to fight. Marlo wanted the throne.

[TubeGuest5178]

OMG slim charles just pretty much summed up Desert Storm the Gulf War and September 9/11....rofl!

[dprocks17]

This was the dumbest thing Slim said in the whole series. For a thug, he was intelligent and pretty level headed. For him to say to continue to fight a lie almost seemed out of character to me, I think his character knew better than that.

[huss0083]

@dprocks17 Long story short, you gotta look at the situation which lead to this. The entire Barksdale army assumed Stringer's death was caused by Marlo. They got the perfect enemy and reason to go to war. You can't expect all of the sudden the wheel will stop turning, specially if the truth behind the death is revealed.

[Subartimaeus]

@dprocks17

You clearly don't understand the truth behind his words.

[lenin405]

@dprocks17 you have to understand the context. All the people on the streets saw it as marlo mocking barksdale crew, if they let it go, they would lose respect. The same is when Snoop was going to kill Michael. Michael didn't do anything wrong, but by the people on the streets he was perceived as snitch and weak.

[wld1one2]

@dprocks17 u clearly neva watched the show. from now on until further notice just shut the fuck up

[MarloStanfield10]

As cool as I think Slim Charles is, he shouldn't have told Avon to go to war. Avon was willing to drop everything and leave it as it is after Stringer Bell's death. 'Fuck Marlo, Fuck these fucking corners, String was right man' - That's what Avon said before Slim advised him to go to war.

[forthetroll]

fuck man. this applies to so many fucking wars. war in iraq war in afghanistan war on drugs

[MikeVProductions]

truth and lies are nothing more then points of view. They were already at war with them even before Stringer died. So what did you expect them to do? You want Avon to go to Marlo and be like "Omar really killed Stringer so the war is over. By the way sorry about killing some of your people". Hell no! He had no choice but to fight. Sometimes in life you don't choose your battles...Your battles choose you. Everyone who has lived on this Earth has fought on a LIE one time or another.

[ThatUJohnWayne]

@MikeVProductions

Right after I posted my own reply I saw yours, nice post.

[WolfSanders]

Slim is a f*cking genius.  Loyal to the Game.

[paddy415]

@WolfSanders

[Powerules]

Some of the greatest words ever spoken on television...classic

[kandinskyforfootball]

Wat a prick. "we fight on that lie". Please, spare me the Horse sh**.

[koyotegambit]

@kandinskyforfootball it just how Slim as a General was saving Avon

[MikeVProductions]

@kandinskyforfootball I can tell you never been in some real life shit before.

[kandinskyforfootball]

@MikeVProductions I'd rather die for the TRUTH instead of a LIE. My life's not worth a lie.

[ThatUJohnWayne]

@kandinskyforfootball

When your engaged in war you can't say "They're right, I'm wrong I should quit fighting and let them win". Iraq for example you think any of those Soldiers or Marines give a fuck if there wasn't any WMD's? Hell no, there's fucking 7.62's cracking by their heads and a savage blood thirsty enemy who may not have been a threat before but he sure as shit is now! Same goes for this, Avon knew Marlo was going to be ready to kill.

[readigo]

@kandinskyforfootball tsc

loyal to the game. simple

retd...

[kandinskyforfootball]

@readigo Your mum's a retard! 

[hass07camdenboss]

slim was the best character heard he got shot a lot of times in real life

[afterapplepicking]

Awesome clip. Awesome character. Awesome actor. Awesome show.

[candelise]

Slim Charles, the Main Man, gradually coming up from behind the scenes.

[Theghot791]

ay wat led him so say dat

avon was startin to 2nd guess goin to war wit marlo

[jimi88mac]

nah avon wasnt gunna back down man .. what happend was stringer got popped by omar and mouzone and avon said stringer got whacked by someone else not marlo. this led to slim reminiding him that if he tells the troops that it was marlo they are more likley to fight harder in stringers memory.

[walesgal93]

that line would be so powerful if it wasnt for slims ridiculous voice

[MattHoost]

Wow, At first, I thought this was Dick Cheney advising GW Bush on Iraq.

[candelise]

You're so right! Hole in one, friend!

[vinnyvasquez]

excellent!

[slimhitter]

@MattHoost lmao

[bullmilk]

@MattHoost

In the words of Rick James: "coooooold blooded."

[t3rr3nc388]

@MattHoost the season served as a metaphor for the war in Iraq, further comparing the war on drugs with the war on terror. Since the start of the war on drugs campaign, police have become more like occupiers of a foreign country than members of the community. The season opens appropriately enough with the towers from season one coming down, a strong visual reference to 9/11. as they come down, the crowd witnessing it is quickly enveloped in dust. source:film dot com

[myfacesp]

@MattHoost Wow, really? Because they're black and, you know, they look very different. I mean, I guess I kind kind of see with the nose and all, but I never confused them because of the grerat physical difference between Slim and the former vice president.

[brlding]

epic

[cs00024]

Avon playing the role of George W. Bush

Slim Charles playing the role of Dick Cheney

Barksdale/Stanfield War=War in Iraq

.....we fight on that lie.....

[htownhomie06]

sad but true. how ironic this aired the year after we went 2 war

[JackMoranRain]

@cs00024 Yes, that and the war on Drugs.

[LeBronForTheWin]

@JackMoranRain along with the war on terrorism, all bullshit made up to give up our rights for "protection"

[JackMoranRain]

@LeBronForTheWin Exactly, i mean shit, it's what war is you know.

[EdgarTFriendly]

Best line in the series, or certainly up there with the best of them

[madhandle]

nice to see slim sharing some words of wisdom

[MacavityF]

One of the best lines from season 3.

[snipet19]

things would be so different if avon didn't get arrested. these two had marlo in their sights and if marlo's crew never took over who knows how the corners would be.