@AmericanBadass44 you mean after the rich mafia in the senate started boicoting every piece of legislation he tried to run to implement his promises? yeah, that's really his fault.
@boss180888 So how come Bill Clinton was able to do so much good for the United States when he was faced with a Republican majority for six years. Maybe Clinton is more competant than Obama?
French medical strategy by SAMU is to bring with SAMU doctor all equipment to stabilize the injured in accident and make GOOD diagnosis on place and during transport
it's the BEST strategy to save people ! when the injured come with SAMU at hospital : all doctors in hospital know that they need and prepare all needed for the injured !
make quick and fast to go to hospital without know the real state of injured is very risked
@alpacks diana died because she been fatally hurt ... just THAT !
and you are american : why you cry on Diana ? she is not more important like lambda people ... except at the readers of paparzzi stupid people news ...
OMG Diana is dead in accident : the end of the world ! (for faggots ...)
I would rather have the government run healthcare rather than the fucked up insurance companies...I am not saying the government should, I am just saying I would pick that over the greedy fucked up corrupt insurance companies...
You know it is not true what anti-healthcare people say about "government-run healthcare" and "having a bureaucrat standing between you and your doctor" and all that. I'm from France, and the government here does not "run" the healthcare system, i.e. the government doesn't tell people where to get treated, what treatment to get, etc. It's the doctors and the patients and the hospitals etc that run it, the public healthcare department only handles the funding part
@PavedStones Thanks for telling me that. I know our health care bill is for the better. I FUCKING hate these ultra conservatives spewing out misinformation... Anyway thanks.
The reason Ameican health care is a big expensive problem is none other than "GREED"! America could provide affordable health care but, won't since the Insurers must make trillions of dollars to line their fat pockets with. It is the insurance companies who are the reason the American system is unaffordable. Nothing and no one else!
I know a poor young lady. During her pregnancy, the doctors diagnosed a cardiac deformation of the foetus. Few miutes after baby's borth,the mother and the child were transported by helicopter to Paris. (500 km) .Le baby was fixed.He'ss 5 years now and is fine nowl. When i knew that, i was very proud of my country. Freedom Equality Brotherhood.
Je connais une jeune femme pauvre.Pendant sa grossesse, les médecins ont diagnostiqué une malformation cardiaque du foetus.A la naissance la mère et l'enfant ont été transportés par hélicoptère à Paris.(500 km).Le bébé a été opéré:il a 5 ans maintenant et va très bien. J'étais très fière de mon pays.Liberté Egalité Fraternité.
@katarmor Here's a translation of katarmor's post.
I know a poor young woman, during her pregnancy, doctors diagnosed a congenital heart defect of fetus. The mother and child (still unborn) were transported by helicopter to Paris. (500 km 300 miles). The baby was operated: he is 5 now and doing very well. I was very proud of my country .
And are you serious! Are you really from western sahara, an obscure dirt poor african shit hole country and you are going to try and tell me that YOUR country has better health care!? OMG now I have heard it all! Now I have heard it all!
I am from the UK you idiot. Western Shara has private health care too the USA will end up like them if you carry on with your bull shit right wing policies.
We in the UK have good healthcare you have crap healthcare. Your right wing policies kill babies.
The USA is not a caring country and would not want its poorest people to be treated for health problems the usa is a red tooth claw country of brutal abuse.
We in Europe care for the poorest in our society you just let them rot.
American spends more but get less but they love that talk about thick shits.
I want babies to die young? When did I ever say that? And for your information pal I work in health care in the US and I have worked in NICU and PICU (not that you know what either of those things are) and for your information our babies dont die young, even the ones with dirt poor parents. Our babies get the most advanced medical care in the world. Most of the technology out there to treat sick babies was developed in the United States. So dont give me that skewed infant mortality rate crap.
Our, USA, infant mortality rate is far worse than the rest of the 1st world. We score at the bottom or near the bottom for every measurement of health when compared with other 1st world countries.
In immunizations we score 164th place (that's 1 place below Botswana) For Christ sakes man, stop digging your head in the sand. Come up and smell the roses you are looking at, they smell like shit.
Our babies do not get the most advanced medical care in the world, what country do you live in?
@Scootertuner1000 "Our, USA, infant mortality rate is far worse than the rest of the 1st world."
lol. Please take a look at the BIRTH/FERTILITY RATE of the rest of the first world countries and see that in most of those nations the populations are getting halved every generation. European fertility rate is non-existent. Why? I blame a lot of factors, and I know you may not believe it, but I suspect that national healthcare is one of them. Funny how 4 idiots gave you a thumbs up.
@redarrowhead2 You really don't know the difference between a child that has already been born (infant mortality) and one that has not yet even been conceived (birth rate/fertility)?
@Scootertuner1000 Infant mortality rate is not birth/fertility rate. Infant mortality rate is the rate at which children (infants that have already been born) die per hundred thousand of population per year. Birth rate is the rate of new births each year. They have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
I will refrain from insulting you; you've displayed your lack of knowledge admirably already .
I have lived in Germany and your analysis of th eGerman healthcare system is complete and utter nonesense. I lived in Germany for a total of 7 years, as a resident alien, not with the US military. I have direct experience having been to hospital three times there, once for a vehicle accident, once for food poisoning and once for a flibitus in my right leg.
I also spent many years in England and have been in hospital 2 x there. Both of their systems are far far better than ours.
Lot of doctors are from the third world ( arabs, blacks ) in hospitals. The France governement doesn't want to pay well French doctors. Malpractice, and infection are often. When i'll be old i prefer to die at home !
American friends ! Do not believe on this health care ! We are on bankrupt ! Public hospitals are dirty and this is not the worse.... In France you have to give 25 % of your income every month just for health care ! ( and we pay income tax ). We pay health care for blacks and arabs who dosen't want to work. This system was made by communists in 1945 and worked before because old people were killed during world war 2.
which why the biggest lie that we are fed in the US that "well in europe its free." I dont even know where to begin it is so baffeling how big of a lie this is. I have studied the German health care system and according to one health worker there "The German health care system will collapse." Why? Because citizens pay a huge portion of their income on health care taxes, sales tax is 19% and there is stll not enough money! I agree with Legorret, the idea of "free" socialized health care is a lie.
That's right. In fact people pay a lot of money everywhere just to not really open the wallet at the doctor office. Where is the gain ? Our country can not go this way no longeur. In Germany they made some reforms but not in France because people don't want to see more far their nose.
We do actually have a welfare system in the US that does give away free health care but it seems like we only give it to immigrants and the lazy. Also if you are pregnant and dont have insurance the government will pay for the whole thing. Same kids with no insurance,most states have no cost government health insurance for for them. Its seems like the only people who are not entitled to assistance from the government are people who have been paying taxes their whole lives; is that fair?
@N417MA So if you just got laid off, and you are receiving unemployment benefit,
do you receive medicaid?
No you don't. You children might get it and your wife if she happens to be pregnant when you get laid off, but you won't. The only way to get it if you are not a child or if you are not pregnant is to be absolutely destitute.
It's not fair, and that's what's wrong with the American health care system. We pay more money for health care than any other developed country, but unlike countries with universal health care we get nothing back. You pay this because the US doesn't just let people die on the street, and because people with insurance tend to wait til they go on Medicare to get the most expensive treatment. Treatment that would have cost them $100 at age 30, but $100,000 at age 70 when left untreated for so long.
@jwh30385 because in USA i think doctors forgets Hippocratic Oath ...
in france all doctors apply has the letter the Hippocratic Oath ! You have no money ? a doctors will treat on you ... Hippocratic Oath is respectable ...
but you can find in france some doctors for the "high society " (luxury doctors) who not respect Hippocratic Oath but it's negligible on the wholeness of the doctors in France
@alpacks and if you not respect Hippocratic Oath :
you have higher bidding on rates of consultations and care ... this why your health system is so expensive ... your doctors in USA are just dealers not professional of faith like a real doctor with a real faith of the Hippocratic Oath !
your doctors and hospital are reponsible of that ...
In france all rates of doctors, hospital and medicament are conventionned with the global health care
@alpacks not "ALL" in reality : you can find doctors and private hospital in france no conventionned with global health care rates ...
but global health will reimburse you only on the basis of the registered rate (or conventionned i don't know the real word in english but i think you understand me) if you chose this doctors who pratice high rates
in france a doctor is a middle class, in USA doctors can be win a lot of money because we was a firm at only he has
@OldSchoolNerd80 Ich verstehe Dich ganz gut. Du hast recht. Ich habe in Deutschland und England gewohnt, jetzt wieder in Amiland. Ich weiss wo es besser ist und es ist nicht hier im USA
if we reformed the paramedic situation we would essentially have same thing.. our costs compareed to france would always be higher due to congress and governemnt never meeting a tax they didn't want to raise. what cost 3,500 per person there will cost more HERE.
. if instituted as free we would have same problem as france... .everyone coming here for free healthcare. and it ISN'T free it is paid for through TAXES that YOU pay.
While It is true French doctors do not earn as much as their US counterparts. You should keep in mind that their professional cost are considerably less for example, they are not strapped with massive debt after college due to student loans because their education is tuition free. They pay next to nothing in Malpractice Insurance Premiums and they don't incur overhead cost for hiring a medical billing staff. So the income desperity is not nearly as dramatic as it appears on the surface.
thanks for pointing that out bro, im doing a healthcare report for a college paper and i was first arguing againstreform but now am arguing for one, and one that mirrors france's. 1 problem i had was how little the doctors make but damn u just nailed that on the head. thank u.
The French have more doctors per capita than the U.S has, as almost all European nations do; this is why they do have some of the same problems, minor in comparison to the U.S.'s problems that the British and Canadians do. Ergo reduced salaries do not necessarily lead to doctor shortages relative to the United States.
Chomsky is actually an admirer of Adam Smith and other classical liberals, though within context. I have actually heard him suggest that a Smithian type of( a society that actually has numerous public services) free market society, in theory, has its merits, though it is utopian. I you cared to listen to Chomsky's talk on free markets, you will find his insights, that is regarding the fact the US does not embrace FM capitalism, are shared by libertarians, which you claim to be. I think not!
actually i recall in a documentary i watched a few days ago he described himself a social libertarian or something to that effect..i will see if i can pull it up agian
"Ask Princess Diana how she likes the French System"
"Yes because in American, individuals that are mangled in high speed crashes always pull through! What an utterly absurd comment- among other utterly absurd comments! "
I take it you are not a first responder and are not well acquainted with anyone who is. It is utterly amazing
how many lives are saved by our first responders whether it be an accident, fire, crime scene or early labor.
I never indicated that lives are not saved by various U.S. first responders. Your interpretation of my comment is a total non-sequitur. I was merely pointing out that the extrapolation you made, regarding the ineptitude of the French first responder system, based on an individual case is beyond patently absurd. If I were to apply your standard of determining the quality of first responder care to U.S. I would reach the same conclusion that you did, since EMT's cannot save everyone.
When you call an ambulance, a bureaucrat decides whether you really need an ambulance and only a tiny % are allowed that service. Personally, I don't want a bureaucrat over the phone deciding whether I or my loved ones or family should receive immediate care.
In France a DOCTOR decides whether you need emergency care or not! Are you fraking kidding me, really? Do you really think the people of France, a people who have great tradition of political activism - stretching back to the French Revolution and the Paris Commune, would allow their government to place a bureaucrat, whose raison d'être is to deny them as much coverage as possible - i.e. similar to the American Health insurance industry, between them and their healthcare system?
Again, crass bureaucratic concerns are not what determine the actions of the doctor on duty. If this were indeed the case, or the French people suspected it was, there would be an uprising.
Wrong again, the number of people who actually receive an ambulance is RATIONED by having an MD decide whether an ambulance shall be sent. Personally, I don't believe that many people call for ambulances except for the case of an emergency and certainly would not want a bureaucrat nor bureaucratic rules and reg. required by hospitals receiving governmental funds to make life and death decisions over the phone.
There is no fundamental difference amid what I have stated and what you are saying here. I have elucidated the technique utilized by the Franco 1st responders system, which involve the interposing of a physician amid the responder service and the patient. This is done in order to ascertain whether or not the patient is actually in need of emergency care. The difference is, you have inserted a buzz word like rationed, negative connotation, into the discussion, which suggest something nefarious.
"In France a DOCTOR decides whether you need emergency care or not! Are you fraking kidding me, really?" After that HUGE BLUNDER, an hour or so later you know all about the French system, lol
Here is a suggestion, first, actually study the issues before commenting, spit out what you really mean instead of spending the day with the thesaurus and wiki to prove points that you apparently know very little about in a sophomoric manner
Do you not understand that the small % of those who receive a visit from the first responders of France are those who actually need emergency care - as determined by the doctor on duty? And those who do not, well they either receive a visit from a French doctor, ( yes doctors do house calls in France) or visit a clinic. Because they do not have an emergency.
Wrong again, check your facts. Those who ARE allowed ambulance service are met by a medical team, including a MD, however only a tiny percentage are allowed this type of emergency care.
Also there is a huge turnover and it is difficult to find staff because of utterly low wages for those positions, as mandated!
Yes, its called SAMU. The French have a different philosophy regarding emergency care than that of the Anglo/Americans: Instead of transporting the patient to the emergency room, they transport the emergency room to the patient - that is if the patient is deemed to be in need of emergency services. The theory behind this system involving the saving of time. Incidentally, this system has nothing to do with the issue of health coverage. The US, as is, could utilize this system, as could the Brits.
You're the one joking (I especially like the Diana, totally out of the way lol)
1. do you think it's a hotel??? private room is provided when medically required
2. Of course they decide, ambulance can't be sent for anything (same as firemen or police). What are your figures (sources) of the tiny %, plus Obama was referring to a free 24/7 service called sos medecin that send a doctor to your place not an ambulance.
4. this is very stupid, you are talking about one specific summer (2003) when about 11 000 people died. They died because of the heatwave combined with the absence of these elder's relatives probably getting tanned on the coast... most of them would have passed away in the following weeks if not for the heat.
5. ?
6. she was so badly hurt, the ambulance had to park to have a chance to stabilize her, in order to get her alive to the hospital. Blame the tabloids and its readers for her death.
A redneck would be a man, and I use the term loosely, who picks on women, or would a better world be worm?
Unlike the French system, Diana would have received immediate transport to an ER and would likely have survived.
Do you really think that people are left bleeding in the street in the US if they are in an accident in the US w/o insurance. Please, the emergency rooms are full of people who have no insurance; foreigners as you said included.
@Freez57fr Actually in the US the ambulance that reached her would have had less than half the equipment that SAMU had available when they reached her... Then they would have taken her to whatever hospital they have contract with even if there was one closer to the scene of the accident. Princess Diana would have been dead for sure in USA. But they will treat anyone regardless of nationality.
Also, please don't assume all americans are stupid just because of some douche on the internet, thanks.
I can tell this is before he became President
AmericanBadass44 6 months ago
@AmericanBadass44 you mean after the rich mafia in the senate started boicoting every piece of legislation he tried to run to implement his promises? yeah, that's really his fault.
boss180888 5 months ago
@boss180888 So how come Bill Clinton was able to do so much good for the United States when he was faced with a Republican majority for six years. Maybe Clinton is more competant than Obama?
AmericanBadass44 5 months ago
@AmericanBadass44 how in the world do you have a republican majority but become democratic president? how does that work?
sniped101 4 months ago
GO OBAMA!!!!!!!!! :D
SapphireDiamond19 1 year ago
i love america but i dont wanna pay 68000 dollars for some bullshit tests and treatments when i have a broken leg, so i think imma move to france
AlexNecrofeliac 1 year ago
Lol diana would survive i'am Laughing a lot
French medical strategy by SAMU is to bring with SAMU doctor all equipment to stabilize the injured in accident and make GOOD diagnosis on place and during transport
it's the BEST strategy to save people ! when the injured come with SAMU at hospital : all doctors in hospital know that they need and prepare all needed for the injured !
make quick and fast to go to hospital without know the real state of injured is very risked
alpacks 1 year ago
@alpacks diana died because she been fatally hurt ... just THAT !
and you are american : why you cry on Diana ? she is not more important like lambda people ... except at the readers of paparzzi stupid people news ...
OMG Diana is dead in accident : the end of the world ! (for faggots ...)
alpacks 1 year ago
France has the best Health care in the world FACT.
MrGilles1990 1 year ago 3
I would rather have the government run healthcare rather than the fucked up insurance companies...I am not saying the government should, I am just saying I would pick that over the greedy fucked up corrupt insurance companies...
TearsOfWar1 1 year ago
@TearsOfWar1
You know it is not true what anti-healthcare people say about "government-run healthcare" and "having a bureaucrat standing between you and your doctor" and all that. I'm from France, and the government here does not "run" the healthcare system, i.e. the government doesn't tell people where to get treated, what treatment to get, etc. It's the doctors and the patients and the hospitals etc that run it, the public healthcare department only handles the funding part
PavedStones 1 year ago
@PavedStones Thanks for telling me that. I know our health care bill is for the better. I FUCKING hate these ultra conservatives spewing out misinformation... Anyway thanks.
TearsOfWar1 1 year ago
The reason Ameican health care is a big expensive problem is none other than "GREED"! America could provide affordable health care but, won't since the Insurers must make trillions of dollars to line their fat pockets with. It is the insurance companies who are the reason the American system is unaffordable. Nothing and no one else!
sunflyer40 1 year ago 3
Ok Barak, time to DO IT.
MrEricthebilliken 2 years ago 2
I know a poor young lady. During her pregnancy, the doctors diagnosed a cardiac deformation of the foetus. Few miutes after baby's borth,the mother and the child were transported by helicopter to Paris. (500 km) .Le baby was fixed.He'ss 5 years now and is fine nowl. When i knew that, i was very proud of my country. Freedom Equality Brotherhood.
katarmor 2 years ago 3
Je connais une jeune femme pauvre.Pendant sa grossesse, les médecins ont diagnostiqué une malformation cardiaque du foetus.A la naissance la mère et l'enfant ont été transportés par hélicoptère à Paris.(500 km).Le bébé a été opéré:il a 5 ans maintenant et va très bien. J'étais très fière de mon pays.Liberté Egalité Fraternité.
katarmor 2 years ago 21
@katarmor Here's a translation of katarmor's post.
I know a poor young woman, during her pregnancy, doctors diagnosed a congenital heart defect of fetus. The mother and child (still unborn) were transported by helicopter to Paris. (500 km 300 miles). The baby was operated: he is 5 now and doing very well. I was very proud of my country .
Liberty Equality, Fraternity.
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago 6
@katarmor Incroyable!
sweetsmile493 1 year ago
@katarmor Vive la France. We Dutch can learn from this.
AmersfoortTristan 1 year ago
@katarmor
Vive la France!
hyperseauton 1 year ago
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jekiffparis 2 years ago
The USA has worse healthcare and they pay more for it wow you americans are as thick as shit,.
zzxzqwq 2 years ago 3
And are you serious! Are you really from western sahara, an obscure dirt poor african shit hole country and you are going to try and tell me that YOUR country has better health care!? OMG now I have heard it all! Now I have heard it all!
N417MA 2 years ago
I am from the UK you idiot. Western Shara has private health care too the USA will end up like them if you carry on with your bull shit right wing policies.
We in the UK have good healthcare you have crap healthcare. Your right wing policies kill babies.
zzxzqwq 2 years ago
I hate our healthcare :'-( someone fix it please... *cries* Might as well gtfo of this country..
TearsOfWar1 1 year ago
The USA is not a caring country and would not want its poorest people to be treated for health problems the usa is a red tooth claw country of brutal abuse.
We in Europe care for the poorest in our society you just let them rot.
American spends more but get less but they love that talk about thick shits.
Obama is too good for the USA.
zzxzqwq 2 years ago
zzxzqwq-Why dont you recite some more media fed propaganda to us, as though we have not heard it all before.
And while you are at it, why dont you stop posting comments on an American video forum if you hate the US so much. Fuckin' hipppcrite!
N417MA 2 years ago
You hate Americans as you want american babies to die young.
zzxzqwq 2 years ago
I want babies to die young? When did I ever say that? And for your information pal I work in health care in the US and I have worked in NICU and PICU (not that you know what either of those things are) and for your information our babies dont die young, even the ones with dirt poor parents. Our babies get the most advanced medical care in the world. Most of the technology out there to treat sick babies was developed in the United States. So dont give me that skewed infant mortality rate crap.
N417MA 2 years ago
Our, USA, infant mortality rate is far worse than the rest of the 1st world. We score at the bottom or near the bottom for every measurement of health when compared with other 1st world countries.
In immunizations we score 164th place (that's 1 place below Botswana) For Christ sakes man, stop digging your head in the sand. Come up and smell the roses you are looking at, they smell like shit.
Our babies do not get the most advanced medical care in the world, what country do you live in?
Scootertuner1000 2 years ago 11
@Scootertuner1000 "Our, USA, infant mortality rate is far worse than the rest of the 1st world."
lol. Please take a look at the BIRTH/FERTILITY RATE of the rest of the first world countries and see that in most of those nations the populations are getting halved every generation. European fertility rate is non-existent. Why? I blame a lot of factors, and I know you may not believe it, but I suspect that national healthcare is one of them. Funny how 4 idiots gave you a thumbs up.
redarrowhead2 1 year ago
@redarrowhead2 You really don't know the difference between a child that has already been born (infant mortality) and one that has not yet even been conceived (birth rate/fertility)?
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@redarrowhead2 free tip: Stay in school
Darusdei 1 year ago
@Scootertuner1000 Infant mortality rate is not birth/fertility rate. Infant mortality rate is the rate at which children (infants that have already been born) die per hundred thousand of population per year. Birth rate is the rate of new births each year. They have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
I will refrain from insulting you; you've displayed your lack of knowledge admirably already .
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@N417MA
"Our babies get the most advanced medical care in the world"
Just one word: LOOOOOOOOOOOL
Freez57fr 2 years ago
N417MA,
I have lived in Germany and your analysis of th eGerman healthcare system is complete and utter nonesense. I lived in Germany for a total of 7 years, as a resident alien, not with the US military. I have direct experience having been to hospital three times there, once for a vehicle accident, once for food poisoning and once for a flibitus in my right leg.
I also spent many years in England and have been in hospital 2 x there. Both of their systems are far far better than ours.
Scootertuner1000 2 years ago 3
Lot of doctors are from the third world ( arabs, blacks ) in hospitals. The France governement doesn't want to pay well French doctors. Malpractice, and infection are often. When i'll be old i prefer to die at home !
legorret1 2 years ago
American friends ! Do not believe on this health care ! We are on bankrupt ! Public hospitals are dirty and this is not the worse.... In France you have to give 25 % of your income every month just for health care ! ( and we pay income tax ). We pay health care for blacks and arabs who dosen't want to work. This system was made by communists in 1945 and worked before because old people were killed during world war 2.
legorret1 2 years ago
which why the biggest lie that we are fed in the US that "well in europe its free." I dont even know where to begin it is so baffeling how big of a lie this is. I have studied the German health care system and according to one health worker there "The German health care system will collapse." Why? Because citizens pay a huge portion of their income on health care taxes, sales tax is 19% and there is stll not enough money! I agree with Legorret, the idea of "free" socialized health care is a lie.
N417MA 2 years ago
That's right. In fact people pay a lot of money everywhere just to not really open the wallet at the doctor office. Where is the gain ? Our country can not go this way no longeur. In Germany they made some reforms but not in France because people don't want to see more far their nose.
legorret1 2 years ago
@N417MA
The German Health Care System is not Perfekt and they need a Reform but this is the Problem of the Gouverment^^
But every Person they need Help becommes Help, in the US you becomme Help when you Have enough Money is that fair?
Sorry for my bad English hope you understand me :)
OldSchoolNerd80 2 years ago
We do actually have a welfare system in the US that does give away free health care but it seems like we only give it to immigrants and the lazy. Also if you are pregnant and dont have insurance the government will pay for the whole thing. Same kids with no insurance,most states have no cost government health insurance for for them. Its seems like the only people who are not entitled to assistance from the government are people who have been paying taxes their whole lives; is that fair?
N417MA 2 years ago
@N417MA So if you just got laid off, and you are receiving unemployment benefit,
do you receive medicaid?
No you don't. You children might get it and your wife if she happens to be pregnant when you get laid off, but you won't. The only way to get it if you are not a child or if you are not pregnant is to be absolutely destitute.
Get laid off tomorrow, see what happens.
Scootertuner1000 2 years ago
It's not fair, and that's what's wrong with the American health care system. We pay more money for health care than any other developed country, but unlike countries with universal health care we get nothing back. You pay this because the US doesn't just let people die on the street, and because people with insurance tend to wait til they go on Medicare to get the most expensive treatment. Treatment that would have cost them $100 at age 30, but $100,000 at age 70 when left untreated for so long.
jwh30385 2 years ago
@jwh30385 because in USA i think doctors forgets Hippocratic Oath ...
in france all doctors apply has the letter the Hippocratic Oath ! You have no money ? a doctors will treat on you ... Hippocratic Oath is respectable ...
but you can find in france some doctors for the "high society " (luxury doctors) who not respect Hippocratic Oath but it's negligible on the wholeness of the doctors in France
alpacks 1 year ago
@alpacks and if you not respect Hippocratic Oath :
you have higher bidding on rates of consultations and care ... this why your health system is so expensive ... your doctors in USA are just dealers not professional of faith like a real doctor with a real faith of the Hippocratic Oath !
your doctors and hospital are reponsible of that ...
In france all rates of doctors, hospital and medicament are conventionned with the global health care
alpacks 1 year ago
@alpacks not "ALL" in reality : you can find doctors and private hospital in france no conventionned with global health care rates ...
but global health will reimburse you only on the basis of the registered rate (or conventionned i don't know the real word in english but i think you understand me) if you chose this doctors who pratice high rates
in france a doctor is a middle class, in USA doctors can be win a lot of money because we was a firm at only he has
alpacks 1 year ago
@OldSchoolNerd80 Ich verstehe Dich ganz gut. Du hast recht. Ich habe in Deutschland und England gewohnt, jetzt wieder in Amiland. Ich weiss wo es besser ist und es ist nicht hier im USA
Scootertuner1000 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Fake French lol
Freez57fr 2 years ago
Universal health care, EXACTLY What we need.
SirFrankindoodle 2 years ago
if we reformed the paramedic situation we would essentially have same thing.. our costs compareed to france would always be higher due to congress and governemnt never meeting a tax they didn't want to raise. what cost 3,500 per person there will cost more HERE.
. if instituted as free we would have same problem as france... .everyone coming here for free healthcare. and it ISN'T free it is paid for through TAXES that YOU pay.
MsAlrady 2 years ago
While It is true French doctors do not earn as much as their US counterparts. You should keep in mind that their professional cost are considerably less for example, they are not strapped with massive debt after college due to student loans because their education is tuition free. They pay next to nothing in Malpractice Insurance Premiums and they don't incur overhead cost for hiring a medical billing staff. So the income desperity is not nearly as dramatic as it appears on the surface.
mef75baby 2 years ago 2
thanks for pointing that out bro, im doing a healthcare report for a college paper and i was first arguing againstreform but now am arguing for one, and one that mirrors france's. 1 problem i had was how little the doctors make but damn u just nailed that on the head. thank u.
mlepadat 2 years ago 2
Doctors in France also get paid about 1/3 as much. We already have a doctor shortage.
TheBlackMage3 2 years ago
The French have more doctors per capita than the U.S has, as almost all European nations do; this is why they do have some of the same problems, minor in comparison to the U.S.'s problems that the British and Canadians do. Ergo reduced salaries do not necessarily lead to doctor shortages relative to the United States.
harmlesstree 2 years ago 2
NOT have
harmlesstree 2 years ago
By the way your buddy Chomsky apparently isn't what he seems either:
google Noam Chomsky, Closet Capitalist
ScarlettKnights 2 years ago
Chomsky is actually an admirer of Adam Smith and other classical liberals, though within context. I have actually heard him suggest that a Smithian type of( a society that actually has numerous public services) free market society, in theory, has its merits, though it is utopian. I you cared to listen to Chomsky's talk on free markets, you will find his insights, that is regarding the fact the US does not embrace FM capitalism, are shared by libertarians, which you claim to be. I think not!
harmlesstree 2 years ago
harmlesstree:
Chomsky = Libertarian.... NO WAY, NO HOW
ScarlettKnights 2 years ago
actually i recall in a documentary i watched a few days ago he described himself a social libertarian or something to that effect..i will see if i can pull it up agian
Xenthoid 2 years ago
Xenthoid:
What does that have to do with one set of rules for him; another for everyone else?
ScarlettKnights 2 years ago
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Xenthoid 2 years ago
it doesn't have much to do with double standard rules... i was telling you this is what he sees himself as.
Xenthoid 2 years ago
I must be off, for a while. I am quite busy. I will respond later. Good day!
harmlesstree 2 years ago
harmlesstree wrote:
"Ask Princess Diana how she likes the French System"
"Yes because in American, individuals that are mangled in high speed crashes always pull through! What an utterly absurd comment- among other utterly absurd comments! "
I take it you are not a first responder and are not well acquainted with anyone who is. It is utterly amazing
how many lives are saved by our first responders whether it be an accident, fire, crime scene or early labor.
ScarlettKnights 2 years ago
I never indicated that lives are not saved by various U.S. first responders. Your interpretation of my comment is a total non-sequitur. I was merely pointing out that the extrapolation you made, regarding the ineptitude of the French first responder system, based on an individual case is beyond patently absurd. If I were to apply your standard of determining the quality of first responder care to U.S. I would reach the same conclusion that you did, since EMT's cannot save everyone.
harmlesstree 2 years ago
harmlesstree:
When you call an ambulance, a bureaucrat decides whether you really need an ambulance and only a tiny % are allowed that service. Personally, I don't want a bureaucrat over the phone deciding whether I or my loved ones or family should receive immediate care.
Alinsky styled tactics do not work on me!
ScarlettKnights 2 years ago
In France a DOCTOR decides whether you need emergency care or not! Are you fraking kidding me, really? Do you really think the people of France, a people who have great tradition of political activism - stretching back to the French Revolution and the Paris Commune, would allow their government to place a bureaucrat, whose raison d'être is to deny them as much coverage as possible - i.e. similar to the American Health insurance industry, between them and their healthcare system?
harmlesstree 2 years ago 2
A doctor who works for the bureaucracy.
ScarlettKnights 2 years ago
Again, crass bureaucratic concerns are not what determine the actions of the doctor on duty. If this were indeed the case, or the French people suspected it was, there would be an uprising.
harmlesstree 2 years ago
harmlesstree:
Wrong again, the number of people who actually receive an ambulance is RATIONED by having an MD decide whether an ambulance shall be sent. Personally, I don't believe that many people call for ambulances except for the case of an emergency and certainly would not want a bureaucrat nor bureaucratic rules and reg. required by hospitals receiving governmental funds to make life and death decisions over the phone.
ScarlettKnights 2 years ago
There is no fundamental difference amid what I have stated and what you are saying here. I have elucidated the technique utilized by the Franco 1st responders system, which involve the interposing of a physician amid the responder service and the patient. This is done in order to ascertain whether or not the patient is actually in need of emergency care. The difference is, you have inserted a buzz word like rationed, negative connotation, into the discussion, which suggest something nefarious.
harmlesstree 2 years ago
harmlesstree:
A couple of hours ago you claimed:
"In France a DOCTOR decides whether you need emergency care or not! Are you fraking kidding me, really?" After that HUGE BLUNDER, an hour or so later you know all about the French system, lol
Here is a suggestion, first, actually study the issues before commenting, spit out what you really mean instead of spending the day with the thesaurus and wiki to prove points that you apparently know very little about in a sophomoric manner
ScarlettKnights 2 years ago
Do you not understand that the small % of those who receive a visit from the first responders of France are those who actually need emergency care - as determined by the doctor on duty? And those who do not, well they either receive a visit from a French doctor, ( yes doctors do house calls in France) or visit a clinic. Because they do not have an emergency.
harmlesstree 2 years ago 2
harmlesstree:
Wrong again, check your facts. Those who ARE allowed ambulance service are met by a medical team, including a MD, however only a tiny percentage are allowed this type of emergency care.
Also there is a huge turnover and it is difficult to find staff because of utterly low wages for those positions, as mandated!
ScarlettKnights 2 years ago
Yes, its called SAMU. The French have a different philosophy regarding emergency care than that of the Anglo/Americans: Instead of transporting the patient to the emergency room, they transport the emergency room to the patient - that is if the patient is deemed to be in need of emergency services. The theory behind this system involving the saving of time. Incidentally, this system has nothing to do with the issue of health coverage. The US, as is, could utilize this system, as could the Brits.
harmlesstree 2 years ago
Kudos to you for using wiki as a reference for policy; lol and the use of polarizing language such as "Anglo/Americans."
ScarlettKnights 2 years ago
harmlesstree you are absolutely right, ScarlettKnights is a close-minded idiot and wrong! We need healthcare reform NOW!
stewie919 2 years ago
This is a joke, no?
1) Don't you have to have a supplemental plan for a private room?
2) When you call an ambulance, they decide whether you really need an ambulance and only a tiny % get one.
3) MD's are paid about 1/3 of what they are paid here.
4) Thousands upon thousands of elderly die each year during the summer.
5) The WHO was done many years ago and uses inane factors.
6) Ask Princess Diana how she likes the French System.
ScarlettKnights 2 years ago
You're the one joking (I especially like the Diana, totally out of the way lol)
1. do you think it's a hotel??? private room is provided when medically required
2. Of course they decide, ambulance can't be sent for anything (same as firemen or police). What are your figures (sources) of the tiny %, plus Obama was referring to a free 24/7 service called sos medecin that send a doctor to your place not an ambulance.
3. Who cares? MD's make enough money nonetheless.
C3DRIC77 2 years ago
4. this is very stupid, you are talking about one specific summer (2003) when about 11 000 people died. They died because of the heatwave combined with the absence of these elder's relatives probably getting tanned on the coast... most of them would have passed away in the following weeks if not for the heat.
5. ?
6. she was so badly hurt, the ambulance had to park to have a chance to stabilize her, in order to get her alive to the hospital. Blame the tabloids and its readers for her death.
C3DRIC77 2 years ago
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harmlesstree 2 years ago
@ScarlettKnights
"Ask Princess Diana how she likes the French System"
--- Of course, in the USA, NOBODY dies in car crash... stupid yank.
The French system has nothing to do with Diana's death, and American doctors would not save her before a crash like it.
In the USA, a foreigner who have an accident can't have care without an insurance. Diana get care for FREE.
I check your profile lol, and I'm surprised of your comments: the archetype of the redneck.
Freez57fr 2 years ago 2
* Sorry, correction:
I'm NOT surprised of your comments (from a stupid redneck like you)
Freez57fr 2 years ago
Freez57:
A redneck would be a man, and I use the term loosely, who picks on women, or would a better world be worm?
Unlike the French system, Diana would have received immediate transport to an ER and would likely have survived.
Do you really think that people are left bleeding in the street in the US if they are in an accident in the US w/o insurance. Please, the emergency rooms are full of people who have no insurance; foreigners as you said included.
Now go hump Napoleon.
ScarlettKnights 1 year ago
Diana would survived?
LOOOL
Go hump your confederate flag and the KKK
Freez57fr 1 year ago 3
@ScarlettKnights no offense but that is the dumbest thing i ever read
Ninjaexterminator 1 year ago
@Ninjaexterminator
Yes your comment could rank as the least though out ever.
ScarlettKnights 1 year ago
@Freez57fr Actually in the US the ambulance that reached her would have had less than half the equipment that SAMU had available when they reached her... Then they would have taken her to whatever hospital they have contract with even if there was one closer to the scene of the accident. Princess Diana would have been dead for sure in USA. But they will treat anyone regardless of nationality.
Also, please don't assume all americans are stupid just because of some douche on the internet, thanks.
uselessfaith 1 year ago