The Male is a beautiful example of what a Doberman was intended to look like.Karl Friedrich Louis Dobermann vision. He would be proud. Beautiful Crop and Dock
It proves the difference between the size of a female and a male... everyone knows male Dobes are always a lot bigger than females. Euro Dobes are usually just fatter IMO. My American bred show Dobe was 55lbs at 4 months 2 weeks and would have dwarfed that little female too.
this video says that it proves the size difference. so basicly this video is sayin that a yugoslavian doberman is the same size as a great dane? b,c that dog is twice the size of the smaller one and a doberman is more than half the size of a great dane.
I have a 3 year old male "American" Doberman and he is gorgeous and perfect in size and strangth, I have friends who have "Europian" Dobes and they are about 30-40lbs bigger but they dont look right and the AKC doesnt recognize them, Dobermans originated in Germany and are a Medium Sized Breed, not meant to be a Large breed. Love Dobermans, smart as hell and very loyal.
@Serpentarius666 It does it you're American. Half of them don't have a passport. Half of them couldn't tell the difference between Iran and Iraq. Half of them vote Republican!
i miss my dobie. i took him everywhere with me when he was around this age and had to kick 10+ dogs for trying to attack him. he still grew up a nice noble dog but because of the amount of times I protected him when he was young and defenseless he ended up overprotective of me and would guard me everywhere we went
The males tend to run larger than females. The only thing ive noticed in my travels is Dobermans in the U.S. dont seem to be as aggresive as the Euro Dobes.
@Tarten46 The Euro blood lines are certainly larger. Mine was twice the size of my American female. America has bred out a lot of the size in Dobermans for the past 30 years.
@TurboJ24 This is a myth perpetuated by euro greeders. The size standards are actually the same, but shady breeders use bigger dogs as a selling point because people don't know better.
@DakotaTheDoberman Wrong, Euro dobes have longer bone structure. I have a euro/american mix. I have papers, and met both parents. There is a significant difference, but believe what you want. Try reading...
@DakotaTheDoberman It's call gene frequency, I'm sure a middle school bio student could tell you all about it. I really don't understand how mutation in gene frequency is a myth, but what would a college biology professor know? Just look at how the dobermann has changed throughout its lifetime. The breeder was a pastor...not looking to make money. The dogs were cheap, parents were show dogs with papers. By significat size difference, I mean you can tell by looking at them.
@Barbellthane Good breeders breed to the standard, end of story. The standards are the same. Yes, there are breeders that breed OUT OF STANDARD dogs, that's not the debate. The fact remains, the standards are the same. Papers are no indication of quality, all that means is that the parents are purebred.
@DakotaTheDoberman Variation in gene frequency, it is basic biology and basic genetics. Please read the bottle neck effect, this may help you understand variation in the gene frequency and how natural selection plays a major role in the genes you carry and show. The variation between two "standard" dobes is outrageous. Just look up the human genome project and look at all the different genes just homo sapiens have. canis lupus is no different.
@Barbellthane We're not talking about natural selection, we're talking about planned breedings lol. Yes, there are variations, but variation is allowed, again, within the standard. Good breeders don't breed out of convenience, and almost never own both dogs. They test, research, and go to great lengths to choose a suitable mate. The FACT remains, the standards are the same, and an oversized dog is bad breeding. There's no way around that. They are a medium sized dog, not a large dog.
@DakotaTheDoberman There can be a 30lb difference in two dobes that are still considered "standard". Euro will almost always be larger. My point has alway been euros are larger. Can you comprehend a simple statement? I've been trying to explain to you how this have happened. Try posting something that wont be spam or deleted.
@Barbellthane It won't let me post the link to the standard for some reason, but if you google FCI Doberman Standard you will see that it is essentially the same as the american standard. If your dog doesn't meet this, then he's not to the standard.
@Barbellthane Does your dog fit the standard? Because again, the standards are pretty much the same... If a breeder had both dam and sire on site, that would be a red flag for me... here's the euro standard, notice the size. What exactly are you reading that says ther's a significant size difference? Again, this myth has come about because so many euro breeders breed oversize dogs.
Doesn't prove anything. I have two "American" dobies. A male and female who are littermates. They are 6 months old and the male is already 70 lbs and the female is just 40 lbs. What does this prove? Nothing. There is variance in the breed and especially between males and bitches.
Difference between American Doberman and Yugoslavian Doberman? And in the description you say they are both the same age but one is smaller because its American breed? Look, I'm not American, not even fan of them fat yanks (no disrespect), but you and your video are FULL OF SHIT. Not only this is total BULLSHIT. But ALL DOBERMAN are GERMAN. When you say "Yugoslavian Doberman", it doesn't mean it's Yugoslavian dog, it only means that it's a GERMAN dog that happened to be bred in Yugoslavia.
@jozeaphe Your comment shows your ignorance. There are indeed different lines of the breed. American lines in general are slighter than the European Lines and don't have as much substance. Coat color of the Euro Lines are "in general" richer in color. Their temperaments differ as well. There are many other differences, however I don't feel like getting into all of that. Sure they all have originated from Germany, but breeders from both countries have morphed them into what they believe is best.
@Eluuna I'm aware of those differences you have mentioned, but those differences are not extreme like we see in the video. You don't see a nation of 4 inches human midgets and another nation of 7 foot freaks living anywhere do you? Like for example, American rottweiler and German ones, one is taller and slim, the other is shorter and stockier. But with NO extreme differences. This video is complete bullshit, just like you are, and the stupid uploader :) have a nice day bitch.
@jozeaphe First of all, comparing these dogs to 4 inches and 7 feet is a huge exaggeration and not valid at all. Second of all, there is not that huge of a difference between the size of the dogs, -considering- that the American line is a female and the Euro line is a male. That is why the difference seems so extreme. But it is obvious that you are too intellectually inept to figure that much out.
@Eluuna How ironic you accused me of using profanities to get my point across where in fact you were the one who used it first. And how you call it stating facts.... I'll tell you what. I'm just going to block you until you period is over, because you are sure on yours. Dumb bitch. (blocked).
@jozeaphe Calling you ignorant is not a profanity, it's the truth. You blocked me because you know I'm right. I guess if you can't take the heat then you have to get outa the kitchen~ >=]
Is there a way for me, an American, to get a European Dobermann? I love Dobermanns, and have been looking at getting one. I've always heard that european bred dogs in general are healthier because they haven't been inbred and "slimmed down" like the american-style breeds have been.
nice dogs!! ive noticed that with dobermans i sometimes see them with a stronger square head, then other times i see them with a really long and thin head? anyone shed any light on this?
ive noticed that US dobermans seem to have shorter and more square muzzles, whereas the european dobermans have thinner heads and longer muzzles. is this right or am i just seeing something completely not there? my doberman in UK as a kid had a longer skinnier face.
@Raptuc23 xaxaxa, you are ridicilous..have you ever seen a SERBIAN DEFENCE Dog...it`s the most powerfull dog on earth..his size iz about 5x biger and hevier that this shity doberman..
Serbian Defence Dog is the best Dog hand down. I have a SDD and a Doberman both are great dogs but if it came down to fighting I would bet the house on the SDD anyday.
I have a yugo doberman and russian! I LOVE AMERICA but for once i would NEVER buy an american product and that would be an american doberman! European dobermans own the market!!
@SweetGurl193 Dobermann's are one of the top 4 smartest dogs there is. They are not anymore visious than most other breeds. A dobie is very loyal to it's family (you) as well as brave. Like other dogs, they need a proper enviroment and attention. When my daughter was a baby my dobie was super gentle with her. As she got older he was the same, even when they would wrestle together. However, if he thought you was a threat to her he'd let you know. Dobbies are very easy to train and act properly.
"The American/German Doberman and the Yugoslavian/European Doberman."...i'm sorry but i don't underdestand this, Germany IS in Europe and Yugoslavia WAS in Europe (toesn't exist for about 10 years now)?, and Serbia (ex Yugoslavia) realy have one of the best, if not the best Boberman's in the world ;)
As for the collar, i put them on my dogs to PROTECT them. They discourage other dogs from biting at the neck, also puppy teeth are very sharp and can do alot of damage and scaring. If this ero dog is like mine then I imagine they have already lost most of there puppy teeth and only have a mouth full of adult "nubs" So really its the bigger dog you should be worried about not the small one lol.
Amazing Dog!! My pup was about as big as yours at 4 months (also European) Did you have to tape the ears any longer then 4 months? I noticed my pups standing free at about 4, and ive been leaving them out for about a week at a time. Since I last took them out they look perfect. Im hoping Im done lol. Any advice? Also just a thought , but is it possible the eros ears stand earlier. (just a thought not an open invitation to internet insults lol)
Size differences: American AKC dogs are generally smaller because of the breed standard (65-90 lb.). Because the AKC is miserable at preserving working traits, they are usually less capable as guard dogs than German Dobies from Schutzhund lines. Nonstandard American Dobies can be massive: I had a male that weighed in at 115-120 lb. and had a normal body composition. Females are usually a lot smaller. Eastern European dogs may be less standardized than their American AKC or German counterparts.
I wanted a Dorberman so bad when I was a kid, they're amazing dogs, but my mother never let me because she says they're aggressive and vicious, which is completely BS btw, now I can't have one because I don't have the time for a dog but someday I'll have one.
@PsyR4T: They're awesome dogs, but make sure you get them from a reliable breeder and test the temperments of the puppies in the litter (or else get a well trained adult). You don't want either the most aggressive or the most fearful pup in the litter. Some pups are prone to snapping and I recommend getting them into obedience training early since they can be prone to dominance and aggression if not properly trained. If you haven't raised a dog before, I don't recommend them as a starter breed.
every dog is cute for it's owner but i must say:every dobey in this world is a good dog if trained and treated well!people call them ugly and evil and killer machines tTHEY ARE NOT EVIL THEY ARE JUST VERY BIG DOGS SO WHAT?big doesn't mean bad!
I'm doing research on dobermans, with the hopes of one day buying one. So excuse this question which may be obvious to others but not me. These dogs are just playing and not being vicious right? How does tell the difference?
Well how I would tell is viciousness IMO would involve some snarling, Maybe some barking, a little whimpering. The dogs would probably be biting each other and shaking their heads aggressively which would probably result in blood and people screaming. I'm preeeeeetty sure they're just playing....... Really? lol
@SigfridKargElert: They're playing. You'll know a real fight if you ever see one. They bark, snarl and sometimes drool ferociously in a fight and there is a lot less hopping, tackling, and "mouthing" w/o biting. The hair on their back stands up. A Dobie lunging at another dog while on a leash means business. Some Dobies snarl a bit while playing, but you would never, see one ground a dog and just mouth them in a real fight. Nor would a pinned Dobie fail to inflict a bite on another dog.
@SigfridKargElert Im sorry but if you cant tell the difference between play fighting and an actual fight theres really no help for you. Your just damn near retarded.
@SigfridKargElert There's a part where the larger animal bites the throat of the smaller one. If the larger animal had really wanted to hurt or kill the smaller one, that was its chance, but instead the animal let go. Pretty sure they're just playing. It just seems rough to us.
If animals are fighting you would know it. There is a lot of barking growling hissing snarling and wimpering happening. When they just play there might be the occaisional whimper or growl but that's just them saying "hey too rough", it's usually an accident. Usually when animlas fight it's usually over just one of them proving they are alpha male. For small animals just let them duke it out but make sure they don't get seriously hurt. They'll just keep fighting if you don't.
For all of you questioning the size difference, he is right. I have two Dobies bought from a breeder who imported his male and female. My blue male Sepp weighs in at 117 lbs and he is not fat at all. The female Elska weighs in at 102 lbs. They tower over my sister's American fawns. Just because you are used to seeing the BEAUTIFUL but common American Dobernan doesn't mean that he is lying. They are sharing something with us, if you don't like it, don't watch.
hey, isnt desoto a name of a doberman on oliver and company?the dobermans are the best on that movie. they totaly pumble and pwn dodger!! :] whos with me!!!!
well what can i say you are right about one thing Euro Dobies are bigger and more guard looking but in the video the comparison goes between a male and a female ... we all know that males are much larger than females...
so its a fact that euro german/eastern europe dog are greater looking I have one my own German/Russian but wrong to compaire these exact two.
but nice video lol just sometimes hard not to read the comments :P
I don't think neither of the dogs like those kind of collar wjhen they are playing... Would you? When dogs play they should be free from hurting each other and themselves. It must be quite irritating for them to have such a hard object when fun-biting each other. Well, I hope someone will learn from this.
@5foto5 Yes, but you must consider the area they are in. If it is in an open feild, they need collars with idenification for if they make a run for it. As well as the need to grab them by the collars and pull them apart if it escalated (probably not going to happen, but could), as well as needing the collars on to be able to attach leashes.
This size "comparison" is completely meaningless. Females are almost always smaller than males. Also, puppies have growth spurts that occur at different ages with each individual animal. You cannot effectively demonstrate a generality, as they are trying to do here, by showing such a small example, in this case just two animals. Show fifty adult males or fifty adult females with half being American and half Yugoslavian and then you will begin to state your case with some relevance.
I ususally don't reply to people on here but you should really do some research before commenting on someones page. There are many benefits to the ear crop, for one, it looks like a doberman and not a weimaraner. Hugely narrows the risk of ear infection which I guess they are prone to having. Dobies are naturally protective of their space and their pets ( us :-D ) and that's why they make great guard dogs.
cute dogs except those pointed ears look so dammm ugly i just cant understand why people do that to their dogs but i guess everyone has a right to a penis extension be it a big car or a dog artificially made to look "alert" or dangerous
Having an ear crop lets them greatly narrow down the field of hearing and lets them focus on a specific location. Just educate yourself first before posting on someones video. Are they fine without....yes, does it look amazing when done correctly? Abso-stinkin-lutely!
I ususally don't reply to people on here but you should really do some research before commenting on someones page. There are many benefits to the ear crop, for one, it looks like a doberman and not a weimaraner. Hugely narrows the risk of ear infection which I guess they are prone to having. Dobies are naturally protective of their space and their pets ( us :-D ) and that's why they make great guard dogs.
@JSparky13 what you said is true and it also helps prevent the constant ear infections that floppy eared dogs are plagued with. I know from experience. Don't you hate when people speak on things that they obviously know nothing about?
Yea I said something about that too but it got chopped somewhere. My boy is 16-1/2 weeks old and he's got a good crop, they're standing on their own and look great. To everyone that thinks negative about it, the only thing that bothered him was having them taped up. Other than that, he was more worried about his bone and laying around the house with me!
complete load of bollox,yugoslavian dobermann???WTF ,maybe when you see THE "albanian rotweiller"you'll flip PMMFSFL,also dont forget there is a difference in size between male and female innit
Its funny how the way they play is bread into them as a species rather then something they learn. Our male and female dobie play the exact same way with each other.
@PewpewFighter english doberman only trust handler can attack and track its exactly like the fear original doberman which was said to be able to even scare the devil only diffrence it has to the original dobe is that its slightly less supicious and bigger
@unconfinedx dude if ones a female and the others a male of course the males going to be bigger and they arent even from the same litter so u cant compare the two smh this is preposterous.
first of all thats not a full grown doberman thats a puppy. American Dobermans are large dogs especially male dogs, and especially if you have the warlock type of doberman which is the largest size
@nsulademon there is no warlock doberman. i have two 3.5 month old male dobies. they will be 29 at the wither just like theyre pop. @ unconfinedx The European doberman will be @ the same height. eventually. @Everyone there is no medium size doberman, the females are either 25-27 at the wither and the males are 28-30,31(very large and rare, but the akc doesnt recognize this size as the ideal Doberman pinscher) WARLOCK is just a brand that some smuck came up with. Just like "Giant Dobies" ?
i have a american male 4 months today and he is 33 pounds and he is 20 inches at the shoulders... european dobes are not always bigger. there was a 40 pound difference between my pups parents. males almost always be bigger
I'm from Yugoslavia but I live in California, and I've been searching for a European Doberman but I can't find them anywhere. Where did you get your European Doberman?
Kimbertal owner here, and all the hype is TRUE! It is truly a fancy puppymill. They put their focus on the stud dog, using Altobello(such as mine)and else, but their females are of no lineage. Listen: go to Kimberal, see the 120 doberman puppies there, then think: with that much production of doberman/rottie puppies, how much real care goes into it? It's a mass production of dobbie/rottie puppies with a few good lineage thrown in for impression. Go elsewhere.
I live in the netherlands and have a male dobermann.
He is 7 years old and in mint condition, very, very healthy and active.
I found out that dobermanns in America are from a bad quality, and a little undersized, both compared to european standards.
And looking at this movie, I first thought the american one is a female. The difference between a female and a male dobermann is very noticable, compared to some other breeds.
I dont know the gist on Kimbertal, from what you all say they are bad, Desoto's papered history is quite impressive. From his father Zues, his mother Sherry and so forth all have won multiple championships in many categories. In the last 5 generations the youngest death was 13 years old. I also have a guarantee that till the day Desoto passes away he will have no cancer"s, hip Dysplasia or any other genetic defect. The current vet visit said Desoto is in perfect health.
Kimbertal? well that settles it then, it is an extremely poorly bred doberman.....ask people who know about dobermans......kimbertal is a scam suckering unknowledgeable people like yourself into buying oversized poorly bred dobermans. this is well known among people who breed dogs........
MIDNIGHTNAVY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thank you sooooooooo much I thought I was going to have to handle the "Kimbertal" aka(biggest puppymiller of dobes and rotties in the world) by my self. I have a few rescue friend up Kibershits way not even a dobe/rott group but thats still about ALL they work with. If you wanna learn the TRUTH about your boy look in any of the Dobe forums. I know you love your boy I love my rescues but I hate their "breeders".
Just do some research, talk to people in the breed, GOOD breeders, handlers (sch and conf), rescuers. I pray your boy stays healthy and if you get anouther dobe in the future please research and talk to people who know! Enjoy your boy I know he is in your heart forever. Do not take this as me attacking him Im not at all he is a cute puppy as I think all are lol. Just dont defend these puppymills that pump out pups for
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The Male is a beautiful example of what a Doberman was intended to look like.Karl Friedrich Louis Dobermann vision. He would be proud. Beautiful Crop and Dock
THUMBS UP to you
LOKISlog7 1 day ago
It proves the difference between the size of a female and a male... everyone knows male Dobes are always a lot bigger than females. Euro Dobes are usually just fatter IMO. My American bred show Dobe was 55lbs at 4 months 2 weeks and would have dwarfed that little female too.
BluelinerFamily 2 days ago
A German shepherd would've killed both dogs
akkifattuM 5 days ago
this video says that it proves the size difference. so basicly this video is sayin that a yugoslavian doberman is the same size as a great dane? b,c that dog is twice the size of the smaller one and a doberman is more than half the size of a great dane.
hmm something isnt right here lol
bobwatters 1 week ago
Well....im not American
Serpentarius666 1 week ago
Oh my amrican Doberman Male Thor was easily that size at 4 months, he is a big boy !
BIGDAD7869 1 week ago
I have a 3 year old male "American" Doberman and he is gorgeous and perfect in size and strangth, I have friends who have "Europian" Dobes and they are about 30-40lbs bigger but they dont look right and the AKC doesnt recognize them, Dobermans originated in Germany and are a Medium Sized Breed, not meant to be a Large breed. Love Dobermans, smart as hell and very loyal.
BIGDAD7869 1 week ago
You're comparing a male and a female. Males are larger by nature, this is a horrile example. lovely dobes none the less.
Barbellthane 2 weeks ago
I bet video maker is american?
lol
BBBdbk 3 weeks ago
Yugoslavia doesnt exist anymore lol
Serpentarius666 3 weeks ago 9
@Serpentarius666 It does it you're American. Half of them don't have a passport. Half of them couldn't tell the difference between Iran and Iraq. Half of them vote Republican!
delarhuc 1 week ago
i miss my dobie. i took him everywhere with me when he was around this age and had to kick 10+ dogs for trying to attack him. he still grew up a nice noble dog but because of the amount of times I protected him when he was young and defenseless he ended up overprotective of me and would guard me everywhere we went
townbythetown 3 weeks ago
The males tend to run larger than females. The only thing ive noticed in my travels is Dobermans in the U.S. dont seem to be as aggresive as the Euro Dobes.
Tarten46 4 weeks ago
@Tarten46 The Euro blood lines are certainly larger. Mine was twice the size of my American female. America has bred out a lot of the size in Dobermans for the past 30 years.
TurboJ24 4 weeks ago
@TurboJ24 This is a myth perpetuated by euro greeders. The size standards are actually the same, but shady breeders use bigger dogs as a selling point because people don't know better.
DakotaTheDoberman 3 weeks ago
@DakotaTheDoberman Wrong, Euro dobes have longer bone structure. I have a euro/american mix. I have papers, and met both parents. There is a significant difference, but believe what you want. Try reading...
Barbellthane 2 weeks ago
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DakotaTheDoberman 2 weeks ago
@DakotaTheDoberman It's call gene frequency, I'm sure a middle school bio student could tell you all about it. I really don't understand how mutation in gene frequency is a myth, but what would a college biology professor know? Just look at how the dobermann has changed throughout its lifetime. The breeder was a pastor...not looking to make money. The dogs were cheap, parents were show dogs with papers. By significat size difference, I mean you can tell by looking at them.
Barbellthane 2 weeks ago
@Barbellthane Good breeders breed to the standard, end of story. The standards are the same. Yes, there are breeders that breed OUT OF STANDARD dogs, that's not the debate. The fact remains, the standards are the same. Papers are no indication of quality, all that means is that the parents are purebred.
DakotaTheDoberman 2 weeks ago
@DakotaTheDoberman Variation in gene frequency, it is basic biology and basic genetics. Please read the bottle neck effect, this may help you understand variation in the gene frequency and how natural selection plays a major role in the genes you carry and show. The variation between two "standard" dobes is outrageous. Just look up the human genome project and look at all the different genes just homo sapiens have. canis lupus is no different.
Barbellthane 2 weeks ago
@Barbellthane We're not talking about natural selection, we're talking about planned breedings lol. Yes, there are variations, but variation is allowed, again, within the standard. Good breeders don't breed out of convenience, and almost never own both dogs. They test, research, and go to great lengths to choose a suitable mate. The FACT remains, the standards are the same, and an oversized dog is bad breeding. There's no way around that. They are a medium sized dog, not a large dog.
DakotaTheDoberman 2 weeks ago
@DakotaTheDoberman There can be a 30lb difference in two dobes that are still considered "standard". Euro will almost always be larger. My point has alway been euros are larger. Can you comprehend a simple statement? I've been trying to explain to you how this have happened. Try posting something that wont be spam or deleted.
Barbellthane 2 weeks ago
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@Barbellthane It won't let me post the link to the standard for some reason, but if you google FCI Doberman Standard you will see that it is essentially the same as the american standard. If your dog doesn't meet this, then he's not to the standard.
DakotaTheDoberman 2 weeks ago
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@Barbellthane Does your dog fit the standard? Because again, the standards are pretty much the same... If a breeder had both dam and sire on site, that would be a red flag for me... here's the euro standard, notice the size. What exactly are you reading that says ther's a significant size difference? Again, this myth has come about because so many euro breeders breed oversize dogs.
DakotaTheDoberman 2 weeks ago
Well waddayah know, they look the same. -_____-
OhitzAndge 1 month ago
Don't mean to bust your balls, but Germany is in Europe as well, and Yugoslavia doesn't exist from 1991 :)
mrgizaratino 1 month ago 8
@mrgizaratino And males are almost always much bigger than a female.
lovemydobies 1 week ago
Yugoslavia does not exist.. -.-
12Rikky 1 month ago
wait, you're comparing the size difference between national breeds with two dogs of different gender? Not sure if you're serious. ....
aloneunafraid1775 1 month ago
@aloneunafraid1775 That's exactly what I was thinking...I've seen littermates with size difference this big..
xWolfHauntx 1 month ago
Doesn't prove anything. I have two "American" dobies. A male and female who are littermates. They are 6 months old and the male is already 70 lbs and the female is just 40 lbs. What does this prove? Nothing. There is variance in the breed and especially between males and bitches.
DrBiochemGuy 1 month ago
Difference between American Doberman and Yugoslavian Doberman? And in the description you say they are both the same age but one is smaller because its American breed? Look, I'm not American, not even fan of them fat yanks (no disrespect), but you and your video are FULL OF SHIT. Not only this is total BULLSHIT. But ALL DOBERMAN are GERMAN. When you say "Yugoslavian Doberman", it doesn't mean it's Yugoslavian dog, it only means that it's a GERMAN dog that happened to be bred in Yugoslavia.
jozeaphe 1 month ago
@jozeaphe Your comment shows your ignorance. There are indeed different lines of the breed. American lines in general are slighter than the European Lines and don't have as much substance. Coat color of the Euro Lines are "in general" richer in color. Their temperaments differ as well. There are many other differences, however I don't feel like getting into all of that. Sure they all have originated from Germany, but breeders from both countries have morphed them into what they believe is best.
Eluuna 1 month ago
@Eluuna I'm aware of those differences you have mentioned, but those differences are not extreme like we see in the video. You don't see a nation of 4 inches human midgets and another nation of 7 foot freaks living anywhere do you? Like for example, American rottweiler and German ones, one is taller and slim, the other is shorter and stockier. But with NO extreme differences. This video is complete bullshit, just like you are, and the stupid uploader :) have a nice day bitch.
jozeaphe 1 month ago
@jozeaphe First of all, comparing these dogs to 4 inches and 7 feet is a huge exaggeration and not valid at all. Second of all, there is not that huge of a difference between the size of the dogs, -considering- that the American line is a female and the Euro line is a male. That is why the difference seems so extreme. But it is obvious that you are too intellectually inept to figure that much out.
Eluuna 1 month ago
@jozeaphe And if you really need to use profanities to get your point across.. then that shows your obvious lack of intelligence. Grow up.
Eluuna 1 month ago
@Eluuna You're the one who jumped me in the first place, get a grip bitch :) .
jozeaphe 1 month ago
@jozeaphe I'm just stating facts kid. Not my fault that your an idiot~ =]
Eluuna 1 month ago
@Eluuna How ironic you accused me of using profanities to get my point across where in fact you were the one who used it first. And how you call it stating facts.... I'll tell you what. I'm just going to block you until you period is over, because you are sure on yours. Dumb bitch. (blocked).
jozeaphe 1 month ago
@jozeaphe Calling you ignorant is not a profanity, it's the truth. You blocked me because you know I'm right. I guess if you can't take the heat then you have to get outa the kitchen~ >=]
MizuMizu84 1 month ago
@MizuMizu84 And you have multiple Youtube accounts? Pathetic little bitch. Sad, just sad. Blocked again.
jozeaphe 1 month ago
Is there a way for me, an American, to get a European Dobermann? I love Dobermanns, and have been looking at getting one. I've always heard that european bred dogs in general are healthier because they haven't been inbred and "slimmed down" like the american-style breeds have been.
Rokkowen 1 month ago
nice dogs!! ive noticed that with dobermans i sometimes see them with a stronger square head, then other times i see them with a really long and thin head? anyone shed any light on this?
uponmysoapbox1 2 months ago
the Male is a beautiful example of what a Doberman was intended to look like.Karl Friedrich Louis Dobermann vision. He would be proud.
THUMBS UP
LOKISlog7 3 months ago
ive noticed that US dobermans seem to have shorter and more square muzzles, whereas the european dobermans have thinner heads and longer muzzles. is this right or am i just seeing something completely not there? my doberman in UK as a kid had a longer skinnier face.
uponmysoapbox1 3 months ago
Usually USA have everything bigger
Raptuc23 4 months ago
@Raptuc23 xaxaxa, you are ridicilous..have you ever seen a SERBIAN DEFENCE Dog...it`s the most powerfull dog on earth..his size iz about 5x biger and hevier that this shity doberman..
TranceFlug 2 months ago
@TranceFlug
Serbian Defence Dog is the best Dog hand down. I have a SDD and a Doberman both are great dogs but if it came down to fighting I would bet the house on the SDD anyday.
Srbenda69 1 month ago
@Srbenda69 slazem se brate u potpunosti..pozz
TranceFlug 1 month ago
@Raptuc23 xaxaxa, you are ridicilous..have you ever seen a SERBIAN DEFENCE Dog...it`s the most powerfull dog on earth..
TranceFlug 2 months ago
@Raptuc23have you ever seen a SERBIAN DEFENCE Dog...it`s the most powerfull dog on earth..
TranceFlug 2 months ago
I have a yugo doberman and russian! I LOVE AMERICA but for once i would NEVER buy an american product and that would be an american doberman! European dobermans own the market!!
PNDrocks 4 months ago
love the video its cute if my mom wasnt afraid of this breed i would have one in a heart beat they are the most beautiful dogs in the world :)
SweetGurl193 4 months ago
@SweetGurl193 Dobermann's are one of the top 4 smartest dogs there is. They are not anymore visious than most other breeds. A dobie is very loyal to it's family (you) as well as brave. Like other dogs, they need a proper enviroment and attention. When my daughter was a baby my dobie was super gentle with her. As she got older he was the same, even when they would wrestle together. However, if he thought you was a threat to her he'd let you know. Dobbies are very easy to train and act properly.
thybigballs 4 months ago
@thybigballs try telling that to my mom :( i really love this breed of dog along with pit bulls and rotties
SweetGurl193 4 months ago
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SweetGurl193 4 months ago
"The American/German Doberman and the Yugoslavian/European Doberman."...i'm sorry but i don't underdestand this, Germany IS in Europe and Yugoslavia WAS in Europe (toesn't exist for about 10 years now)?, and Serbia (ex Yugoslavia) realy have one of the best, if not the best Boberman's in the world ;)
STakerOutrage 4 months ago
DOBERMAN ARE GERMANY DOG IDIOTTTTTTT
taliogoa 5 months ago
european doberman = schutzhund(guard) & working dog
american doberman = a labrador in a doberman's suit. softer bones /muzzle muscles, etc...
KKingstoneRR 5 months ago 2
@unconfinedx
Hi sorry i know you probably wont look at this as this video is 2 years old
What is the difference between the two breeds?
I thought there was just a single type of doberman as i know they originate from germany.
Is the Amercian one just called that because it has its ears pricked or is there a subtle genetic difference between the amercian and euro doberman.
Thanks
RhyannaToma 5 months ago
@unconfinedx
Hi sorry i know you probably wont look at this as this video is 2 years old
What is the difference between the two breeds?
I thought there was just a single type of doberman as i know they originate from germany.
Is the Amercian one just called that because it has its ears pricked or is there a subtle genetic difference between the amercian and euro doberman.
Thanks
RhyannaToma 5 months ago
One thing I do not understand "Germans" are the two ...
because then they call the European "Yugoslavian"
both are very nice
speed7119 5 months ago
Soo cute!!
ChangeTheChannelSong 5 months ago
how is this proof between sizes? one of those dobies is def still a puppy. i bet your adult dobie is bigger than my 9 week old pair too...
GinJuiceAndElliott 5 months ago
I was trying to find words for this, but all i was saying for 1:11 min was..
Awwwww..
TPF133 5 months ago
How much did the dobies cost you?
psinoob 5 months ago
its not the same ? american or something ?? lol
Production2011 5 months ago
uhm the sex difference has alot to do with it also not the breed
techrev1 6 months ago
As for the collar, i put them on my dogs to PROTECT them. They discourage other dogs from biting at the neck, also puppy teeth are very sharp and can do alot of damage and scaring. If this ero dog is like mine then I imagine they have already lost most of there puppy teeth and only have a mouth full of adult "nubs" So really its the bigger dog you should be worried about not the small one lol.
mammarajama 6 months ago
Amazing Dog!! My pup was about as big as yours at 4 months (also European) Did you have to tape the ears any longer then 4 months? I noticed my pups standing free at about 4, and ive been leaving them out for about a week at a time. Since I last took them out they look perfect. Im hoping Im done lol. Any advice? Also just a thought , but is it possible the eros ears stand earlier. (just a thought not an open invitation to internet insults lol)
mammarajama 6 months ago
Size differences: American AKC dogs are generally smaller because of the breed standard (65-90 lb.). Because the AKC is miserable at preserving working traits, they are usually less capable as guard dogs than German Dobies from Schutzhund lines. Nonstandard American Dobies can be massive: I had a male that weighed in at 115-120 lb. and had a normal body composition. Females are usually a lot smaller. Eastern European dogs may be less standardized than their American AKC or German counterparts.
tommy9922 6 months ago
I wanted a Dorberman so bad when I was a kid, they're amazing dogs, but my mother never let me because she says they're aggressive and vicious, which is completely BS btw, now I can't have one because I don't have the time for a dog but someday I'll have one.
PsyR4T 6 months ago
@PsyR4T: They're awesome dogs, but make sure you get them from a reliable breeder and test the temperments of the puppies in the litter (or else get a well trained adult). You don't want either the most aggressive or the most fearful pup in the litter. Some pups are prone to snapping and I recommend getting them into obedience training early since they can be prone to dominance and aggression if not properly trained. If you haven't raised a dog before, I don't recommend them as a starter breed.
tommy9922 6 months ago
theyre so small are they so young???
yoursims1 6 months ago
every dog is cute for it's owner but i must say:every dobey in this world is a good dog if trained and treated well!people call them ugly and evil and killer machines tTHEY ARE NOT EVIL THEY ARE JUST VERY BIG DOGS SO WHAT?big doesn't mean bad!
Nazrin0ice0cream 6 months ago
I'm doing research on dobermans, with the hopes of one day buying one. So excuse this question which may be obvious to others but not me. These dogs are just playing and not being vicious right? How does tell the difference?
SigfridKargElert 6 months ago
@SigfridKargElert
Well how I would tell is viciousness IMO would involve some snarling, Maybe some barking, a little whimpering. The dogs would probably be biting each other and shaking their heads aggressively which would probably result in blood and people screaming. I'm preeeeeetty sure they're just playing....... Really? lol
unconfinedx 6 months ago 7
@SigfridKargElert
Big difference. You will be horrofic if u see true fight...
Northisbest 6 months ago
@SigfridKargElert: They're playing. You'll know a real fight if you ever see one. They bark, snarl and sometimes drool ferociously in a fight and there is a lot less hopping, tackling, and "mouthing" w/o biting. The hair on their back stands up. A Dobie lunging at another dog while on a leash means business. Some Dobies snarl a bit while playing, but you would never, see one ground a dog and just mouth them in a real fight. Nor would a pinned Dobie fail to inflict a bite on another dog.
tommy9922 6 months ago
@SigfridKargElert man exactly what im doing
Shadow9841 5 months ago
@SigfridKargElert They are totally playing. I have one. They love to wrestle.
heymama1 5 months ago
@SigfridKargElert Your a fucking moron, buy yourself a turtle queer!
PhinsHeatCanes 5 months ago
@SigfridKargElert Blood.
rothenisrotten 4 months ago
@SigfridKargElert Im sorry but if you cant tell the difference between play fighting and an actual fight theres really no help for you. Your just damn near retarded.
surleyguru 1 month ago
@SigfridKargElert There's a part where the larger animal bites the throat of the smaller one. If the larger animal had really wanted to hurt or kill the smaller one, that was its chance, but instead the animal let go. Pretty sure they're just playing. It just seems rough to us.
Knightess 1 month ago
@SigfridKargElert
If animals are fighting you would know it. There is a lot of barking growling hissing snarling and wimpering happening. When they just play there might be the occaisional whimper or growl but that's just them saying "hey too rough", it's usually an accident. Usually when animlas fight it's usually over just one of them proving they are alpha male. For small animals just let them duke it out but make sure they don't get seriously hurt. They'll just keep fighting if you don't.
ClArissAxRaiNBoW 1 month ago
For all of you questioning the size difference, he is right. I have two Dobies bought from a breeder who imported his male and female. My blue male Sepp weighs in at 117 lbs and he is not fat at all. The female Elska weighs in at 102 lbs. They tower over my sister's American fawns. Just because you are used to seeing the BEAUTIFUL but common American Dobernan doesn't mean that he is lying. They are sharing something with us, if you don't like it, don't watch.
GXPAl 6 months ago
A dog with a collar like that???????? Man this little one could really ruin his theet on that collar.Dont you people think??
otuagoma 6 months ago
@otuagoma #1. He is a she
#2 Learn to spell starting from left to right "theet"?
#3 Don't comment on my video lol
unconfinedx 6 months ago 11
hey, isnt desoto a name of a doberman on oliver and company?the dobermans are the best on that movie. they totaly pumble and pwn dodger!! :] whos with me!!!!
coolpup53 7 months ago 4
@coolpup53 hahaha Yes it is.
unconfinedx 6 months ago 2
Yugoslavia doesn't exist for exactly 20 years now,so you should really change your title :D
theblade82 7 months ago
@theblade82
It's a lineage thing. Siam ceased to exist 70 years ago but we still call them Siamese cats.
spentfromnz 6 months ago
@spentfromnz yeah,but the breed is actually called Siamese cats,and there isnt any breed called Yugoslavian dobermans...
theblade82 6 months ago
pusi mi kurac mamu ti jebem u picku gnojavu i mrtvu !!! :DDD do you understand nigga !!!??? :DDDD HAHAHAHA
vanilas019 8 months ago
the bigger the dogs, the sooner they die
tan73h 8 months ago
kick your ass in the face....thats why dobermans have such a bad name
Maya52010 8 months ago
well what can i say you are right about one thing Euro Dobies are bigger and more guard looking but in the video the comparison goes between a male and a female ... we all know that males are much larger than females...
so its a fact that euro german/eastern europe dog are greater looking I have one my own German/Russian but wrong to compaire these exact two.
but nice video lol just sometimes hard not to read the comments :P
great looking dobie
doberman0495 9 months ago
I don't think neither of the dogs like those kind of collar wjhen they are playing... Would you? When dogs play they should be free from hurting each other and themselves. It must be quite irritating for them to have such a hard object when fun-biting each other. Well, I hope someone will learn from this.
5foto5 9 months ago
@5foto5 Yes, but you must consider the area they are in. If it is in an open feild, they need collars with idenification for if they make a run for it. As well as the need to grab them by the collars and pull them apart if it escalated (probably not going to happen, but could), as well as needing the collars on to be able to attach leashes.
My dogs don't go anywhere without collars on.
plusCHEESE 9 months ago
My uncle has a dobie which was rescued by the (German) 'doberman schutz' foundation in Hungary.
He is HUGE, waaaaaaay to large for the doberman standard.
Aparently eastern European dogs do indeed tend to be bigger.
Which is not necesarly a good thing since it can cause problems with the skeletal struckture.
My own dobie is a 100% pure bread from German/Dutch/Swiss descent, he is a bit smaller than my uncles dog, but also more muscular.
DrGonzeaux123 10 months ago
I have two red American-bred Dobermanns, a male and a female. My male is 95lbs and lean, and my female is 63lbs. Sex makes a big difference.
TaesaVerdi 10 months ago
females are normally smaller as well....maybe not by this much but it needs to be taken into consideration
AmberKN 11 months ago
This size "comparison" is completely meaningless. Females are almost always smaller than males. Also, puppies have growth spurts that occur at different ages with each individual animal. You cannot effectively demonstrate a generality, as they are trying to do here, by showing such a small example, in this case just two animals. Show fifty adult males or fifty adult females with half being American and half Yugoslavian and then you will begin to state your case with some relevance.
JackKangaroo1 1 year ago
Males are always bigger than females....
falconer927 1 year ago
yo bro how much does he weigh now?i just got me a euro bloodline pup
billionaireLin 1 year ago
The small dobbie is obviously just a pup lol no more than 45 lbs lol
sjmmrcrdd 1 year ago
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@budde23
I ususally don't reply to people on here but you should really do some research before commenting on someones page. There are many benefits to the ear crop, for one, it looks like a doberman and not a weimaraner. Hugely narrows the risk of ear infection which I guess they are prone to having. Dobies are naturally protective of their space and their pets ( us :-D ) and that's why they make great guard dogs.
JSparky13 1 year ago
There are small and large dobermans that's all. My dobie Conan was 105 lbs when full grown.
furtherbeyond 1 year ago
cute dogs except those pointed ears look so dammm ugly i just cant understand why people do that to their dogs but i guess everyone has a right to a penis extension be it a big car or a dog artificially made to look "alert" or dangerous
budde23 1 year ago
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JSparky13 1 year ago
Having an ear crop lets them greatly narrow down the field of hearing and lets them focus on a specific location. Just educate yourself first before posting on someones video. Are they fine without....yes, does it look amazing when done correctly? Abso-stinkin-lutely!
JSparky13 1 year ago 9
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@budde23
I ususally don't reply to people on here but you should really do some research before commenting on someones page. There are many benefits to the ear crop, for one, it looks like a doberman and not a weimaraner. Hugely narrows the risk of ear infection which I guess they are prone to having. Dobies are naturally protective of their space and their pets ( us :-D ) and that's why they make great guard dogs.
JSparky13 1 year ago
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JSparky13 1 year ago
@JSparky13 what you said is true and it also helps prevent the constant ear infections that floppy eared dogs are plagued with. I know from experience. Don't you hate when people speak on things that they obviously know nothing about?
frogsashimi 1 year ago 5
@frogsashimi
Yea I said something about that too but it got chopped somewhere. My boy is 16-1/2 weeks old and he's got a good crop, they're standing on their own and look great. To everyone that thinks negative about it, the only thing that bothered him was having them taped up. Other than that, he was more worried about his bone and laying around the house with me!
JSparky13 1 year ago
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JSparky13 1 year ago
complete load of bollox,yugoslavian dobermann???WTF ,maybe when you see THE "albanian rotweiller"you'll flip PMMFSFL,also dont forget there is a difference in size between male and female innit
TheMita6ki 1 year ago
Its funny how the way they play is bread into them as a species rather then something they learn. Our male and female dobie play the exact same way with each other.
xonoma 1 year ago
they are very pretty dogs. I am looking for a good German blood line. Good advice is very welcome.
WillRobert02 1 year ago
very nice dogs i don't care where they're from though a dobbie is a dobbie and they are great
WillRobert02 1 year ago
sick ass commentator in the background, "yeah kick im in the face"
Antzcceltic1 1 year ago 5
@Antzcceltic1
?? lol
unconfinedx 1 year ago
the smaller female is 2 weeks older than Desoto they are both puppies
unconfinedx 1 year ago
it's an adult dog along side with a pup.... duuhhhhh.
Vizcaio 1 year ago
dobermans are the best
teddybear4422 1 year ago
nice clean fight(:
SweetLeaf63 1 year ago
who ever posted this is a dumb ass Yugoslavian
UrArmenianLoVer 1 year ago
The European doberman is just bigger in size, bone strength and temperment? Or is it just the size and bone structure? O:
PewpewFighter 1 year ago
@PewpewFighter
Temperment as well
unconfinedx 1 year ago
@unconfinedx So everything about the EU dobe is actually totally different except in color appearance?
PewpewFighter 1 year ago
@PewpewFighter english doberman only trust handler can attack and track its exactly like the fear original doberman which was said to be able to even scare the devil only diffrence it has to the original dobe is that its slightly less supicious and bigger
zafeamoon 8 months ago in playlist Doberman
thats what u call a diabolikal doberman =D
Unoswiper 1 year ago
How do their personalities differ?
darabin 1 year ago
one of them is a pup, you can't compare size
CzarThePlezer 1 year ago
@CzarThePlezer they are 2 weeks apart and the smaller one is older
unconfinedx 1 year ago 2
@unconfinedx dude if ones a female and the others a male of course the males going to be bigger and they arent even from the same litter so u cant compare the two smh this is preposterous.
canecorso16 8 months ago
unfair comparison
bigmoneykilla 1 year ago
Theres no such thing as a Yugoslavian Doberman...do your research
nsulademon 1 year ago
first of all thats not a full grown doberman thats a puppy. American Dobermans are large dogs especially male dogs, and especially if you have the warlock type of doberman which is the largest size
nsulademon 1 year ago
@nsulademon there is no warlock doberman. i have two 3.5 month old male dobies. they will be 29 at the wither just like theyre pop. @ unconfinedx The European doberman will be @ the same height. eventually. @Everyone there is no medium size doberman, the females are either 25-27 at the wither and the males are 28-30,31(very large and rare, but the akc doesnt recognize this size as the ideal Doberman pinscher) WARLOCK is just a brand that some smuck came up with. Just like "Giant Dobies" ?
DJBRIEF 1 year ago
i love doberman!hahaha,..i have 1 big male
nerubian1220 1 year ago
i have a american male 4 months today and he is 33 pounds and he is 20 inches at the shoulders... european dobes are not always bigger. there was a 40 pound difference between my pups parents. males almost always be bigger
wlb7718 1 year ago
i`m to from yugoslavia you can find them in germany
408MrSharks 1 year ago
but you can't compare these two..cuz one is a female and the other is a male who naturally will be bigger.
nica62 1 year ago
@nica62 by 25lbs at 4 months old? Dont think so
unconfinedx 1 year ago
@unconfinedx there is no way on earth that there both the same age, get a fucken life we ant stupid.
UrArmenianLoVer 1 year ago
I'm from Yugoslavia but I live in California, and I've been searching for a European Doberman but I can't find them anywhere. Where did you get your European Doberman?
Beautiful dogs by the way, simply gorgeous.
jelenakandic143 2 years ago 2
I do like Mallionios
unconfinedx 2 years ago
Nice / but Mallionis is bether /
lapobb 2 years ago
best looking dobies I've seen in along time!!
rockandroll4life1 2 years ago
Your Dobie is beautiful! I too have a doberman and his name is Desoto also.
x3 He's six months.
Trayuu 2 years ago
Thanks for the Compliment! Im gonna put up a new video here soon Desoto is over a year and a half now and he's BIG and too smart for his own good
unconfinedx 2 years ago
Americans are all for the fancy show lines and breed fads that damage the dog, a nice healthy boy u got there
zarakitten99 2 years ago
Kimbertal owner here, and all the hype is TRUE! It is truly a fancy puppymill. They put their focus on the stud dog, using Altobello(such as mine)and else, but their females are of no lineage. Listen: go to Kimberal, see the 120 doberman puppies there, then think: with that much production of doberman/rottie puppies, how much real care goes into it? It's a mass production of dobbie/rottie puppies with a few good lineage thrown in for impression. Go elsewhere.
ChevyfunSS 2 years ago
i ment doesn't look to big to me, but just normall size for a european doby.
lukas12vers24 2 years ago
The yugoslavian dobermann doesn't look big to me, and a dobermann shouldn't be so small that it can go so easily under a parkbench...
lukas12vers24 2 years ago
I live in the netherlands and have a male dobermann.
He is 7 years old and in mint condition, very, very healthy and active.
I found out that dobermanns in America are from a bad quality, and a little undersized, both compared to european standards.
And looking at this movie, I first thought the american one is a female. The difference between a female and a male dobermann is very noticable, compared to some other breeds.
lukas12vers24 2 years ago
As well as Doctor Pue of Orem, Ut was a world class breeder of Dobermans for 20+ years. He spoke very highly of Desoto's blood line and Inheritance.
unconfinedx 2 years ago
I dont know the gist on Kimbertal, from what you all say they are bad, Desoto's papered history is quite impressive. From his father Zues, his mother Sherry and so forth all have won multiple championships in many categories. In the last 5 generations the youngest death was 13 years old. I also have a guarantee that till the day Desoto passes away he will have no cancer"s, hip Dysplasia or any other genetic defect. The current vet visit said Desoto is in perfect health.
unconfinedx 2 years ago
This is Ryan, Desoto"s owner. Status update. Desoto is now 18 months old and 120 lbs
unconfinedx 2 years ago
oversized, poorly bred doberman mix....congrats u own a dog that was crossed w/ a great dane, nothing to brag about, dobes are MEDIUM SIZED dogs
midnightnavyz28 2 years ago
Poorly bred I agree, not in the standard or even close hight wise but he most likely is pure.
Tideshadow 2 years ago
hard to tell.....his nose resembles a dane.
midnightnavyz28 2 years ago
Poorly bred aye? Kimbertal Dobermans are amoung the purest kennel of Dobermans. One of the few breeders of the original Doberman Sires. Sorry bud
unconfinedx 2 years ago
Kimbertal? well that settles it then, it is an extremely poorly bred doberman.....ask people who know about dobermans......kimbertal is a scam suckering unknowledgeable people like yourself into buying oversized poorly bred dobermans. this is well known among people who breed dogs........
midnightnavyz28 2 years ago 2
MIDNIGHTNAVY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thank you sooooooooo much I thought I was going to have to handle the "Kimbertal" aka(biggest puppymiller of dobes and rotties in the world) by my self. I have a few rescue friend up Kibershits way not even a dobe/rott group but thats still about ALL they work with. If you wanna learn the TRUTH about your boy look in any of the Dobe forums. I know you love your boy I love my rescues but I hate their "breeders".
Tideshadow 2 years ago
Just do some research, talk to people in the breed, GOOD breeders, handlers (sch and conf), rescuers. I pray your boy stays healthy and if you get anouther dobe in the future please research and talk to people who know! Enjoy your boy I know he is in your heart forever. Do not take this as me attacking him Im not at all he is a cute puppy as I think all are lol. Just dont defend these puppymills that pump out pups for