and i gotta say, i dislike children and i always will. having a baby seems like a nightmare to me. i would rather die than get pregnant, give childbirth and take care for a baby. even thinking about it brings tears to my eyes.
what you are describing is a situation where everybody likes children, and where you are assuming that every woman would be a kickass parent.
unwanted children that do not have caring parents a lot of times grow up to be what you and me would call "bad people".
look, forcing a kid on a woman and not allowing abortion - do you think a child born to that woman, would be taken care of? do you think the woman would love and care for him the same as she would if he was planned? no.
and when you say "but there are orphanages!" - childbirth is very traumatic and extremely painful. and beside that, orphanages are overflowing with unwanted children.
abortion done correctly, legally and at the right time is not killing a baby, but just removing a clump of cells.
It's an interesting debate. I personally have no issue with Thompsons argument, I agree with him. The violinist has no right to use my body, I have a moral obligation to keep him alive but I'm not prepared to be leached on. (I find the analogy to fit better for rape). If however the violinist asks me before the procedure begins (ie. concenting sex), I cannot turn my back on the moral obligation. I am anti-abortion personally, however my opinion on the situation isn't set in stone.
I believe thompsons argument works perfectly with a rape pregnancy as it was forced upon them. So I believe that this should be an exception to the rule of abortion.
I think people should be allowed to have abortions, but it should be a one times mistake that never make again (unless its for medical reasons/ rape ). If some 15 year old whore gets 3 abortions, they should just make her have the kid and face the consequences.
@marioluver86 says: think people should be allowed to have abortions, but it should be a one times mistake that never make again
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Did you know that 54% of women having abortions used a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant. So, what youre saying is, they should be punished with a child for using birth control that failed, & who are you to be telling any one what medical procedures they can have. Can I do the same with YOU?
@undergrnd20 That may be so, but a parasite is looked upon as being a selfish creature with a disregard for the 'host's' life. If you truly believe this, you must also believe that all children are parasites. I completely respect your views, but I don't agree.. The child is not gaining any pleasure, or strange gain from this experience, except life, and stop me if I'm wrong, but surely every being has a right to that?
@NeverShoutSophiiie Yeah, I get where you're coming from... I was posting that as a joke. I'm not pro-life or pro-abortion, I'm on the fence. If you REALLY need to do it, due to whatever, (15 year old gets raped, can't raise... Condom broke, etc...) then it's your deal. But all the people going bareback and getting pregnant then getting repeated abortions because they can? That's not cool.
@undergrnd20 I know, I'm on the fence for those exact reasons. I know a girl in my school, she's had at least 3 abortions, and she's only 15. I think those kind of people need to rethink a few things before they have sex again, it's horrible to think about it.. Sorry for the rant :'}
IN you saying " all the people going bareback and getting pregnant then getting repeated abortions because they can". youre saying abortion is a form of birth control. If abortion were used as a method of birth control, a typical woman would have at least two or three pregnancies (abortions) per year, for nearly 40 yrs. Do the math, thats 120 pregnancies/births/ abortions in a lifetime,at about $60,000 for abortion. Not a valid idea
@Rhogar33 It's all woman's choice. If they don't want to have a baby, then they don't want to have a baby. Maybe the condom broke, or the birth control fails, or you can't have a baby at that time (ie: 15 year old) But sometimes it's necessary.
Good argument Repzion. What Anton Lavey says is true. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Also, I would argue that the violinist has the right to strap someone to a gurnie and use them to keep themselves alive. Fuck their consent. But then, I'm a communist. How do most liberals justify taxation and redistribution then turn around and make shit excuses like this?
as a female, i would say that abortion should be allowed depending on the circumstance of conception (rape), and wellbeing (of both the mother and child). UNLESS, there is a genetic trait of both parents that is unwanted for the infant as it can cause death, then the circumstances are more clear cut. your point is clear and valid and abortion should only occur as the last resort.
She dose suspend cause and effect to justify abortion. However, you should not be naive to assume liberals share a dogmatic belief. women = cause. women = effect. There's no principle of causation between the two.
i agree 100 % im pro life and only in certain circumstances i can understand (like if the woman carrying the baby is sick and it could harm her or her child if pregnant) but really, its an innocent kid, and it has the god given right to live. period.
It's selfishness. Just because it is in you does not mean that it is yours to do whatever the hell you want with it. Once you're pregnant it is (SHOULD be) out of your hands. That baby is it's own person.
And you aren't just zapping him/her and that's it...think of the LIFE that you're taking away.
There's gonna be a lot of pissed off aborted kids in heaven...and I would be to, just saying...
If you can't support it, give it up for adoption!!!
Rep, I agree with you on most things, but on this I don't. Thought provoking video though, it got me to see the other side of the argument, rather than the typical 'GAWD SAIZ NO!' argument.
On a completely off-topic note; where did you get the "OMG" pillow?
@WerberTV what if the woman was raped, or if having the baby could physically, emotionally or economically cause serious harm to her?
i'm not saying abortion is therefore good, but i hate the idea of a woman being forced to carry the child of her rapist. especially in the cases of teen rape.
Way to go man. I just started watching your videos. You are dropping truth bombs brother. keep up the good works, I'll share your videos on my facebook.
Conception is not consensual, conscious, or even something we can reliably manipulate inside the womb (we've been trying for millennia). It is a consequence of other actions which are sometimes consensual, and sometimes not so.
I think you argued this really well and you are clearly good at thinking critically. :)
However, I'm going to have to disagree with you in the long run. I think abortion should be available to a woman if she truly feels that it is the right choice for her. Now, of course, that might not be viewed as the "right choice" by other people, but they're not the ones that would have to live with the foetus against their will.
you know, something else I'd really like you to think about is your second belief that there is, without doubt, there is ALWAYS a bond with a mother and a child, born or otherwise, is a horrible, horrible assumption. just because you yourself have been granted with the luck of having a parent to bond with you in such a way, does not mean by any stretch, that everyone does.
you are a teenage boy.
you could never understand what it is to have life growing inside of you.
because any of you stupid little teenage boys could comprehend what it really means to become pregnant, give birth, or the true responsibilities that come with creating life.
because all of you men understand what it's like for women living in your society and playing by your rules.
and regardless of all of this, all you can really concentrate on is how much we make you pay for dinner, because we all need you to pay for our dinner, because we are all helpless and useless.
Totally agreeing with your logic here. You have a very fluent speaking voice, despite a few mispronunciations.
The thing is, no matter how much sense it makes to anyone to stop abortion, it will ALWAYS be seen as chauvinist to force a woman to do ANYTHING. Women love men who pay for their dinner, but hate men who try to pay them less.
Men and women are fundamentally different, and I think that neither you or anyone else will be able to deter pro-abortionists. Its an issue of freedom vs morals
I AM anti-human. Genocides, blood diamonds, slavery, rape and pillaging, child armies, wars that revolve around what happens to people after they die and making sure they find out for sure first before you do. We are a virus. We ARE a parasite. We're the most effective one out there, and the less of us out there, the more the world will benefit.
@thegatso I would feel the exact same way as, if it werent for the few truly good people. There light shines above all the evil. They really show me that when God made the world and said it was good, that He was right. That goodness is the only reason there is hope.
@MrRepzion Sure, Accept comments that make people of the opposing side look like raging maniacs, but throw away valid comments, reminds me of shockofgod, the guy that linked me to this video . . .
@WhaleGambit I accept comments that deal with this video. If you want to argue with what the Bible teaches or condones -- do it on a video where I discuss the Bible.
The person driving extremely fast is a poor parallel because the logic implies that a baby is a punishment. No person ever wants to get a speeding ticket, but people do want to have children. This not nearly so black and white of an issue, it depends heavily on the motivations for sex. As far as I am concerned if the baby is dependent on a specific person such that no other can care for it (without special apparatus etc.) It's essentially part of the mothers body. Her body, her choice.
@skateboarding31 Oh and the other parallel at the end is kinda worse. You have managed to compare what you value as "human life" to a few hundred dollars twice in 12 minutes. While I do not consider a fetus a human by any means, I also do not consider a baby an "inconvenience." A parallel that in implication devalues the same things: You have sex and get a terminal but curable STD. You should not be granted the medicine to cure your disease because you consented to the act of sex itself. no?
@seinekins A republican who supports homosexual rights? Should not assume my stances on thing. Secondly, next time you try heroin tell the judge "hey judgey poo, it is my body, and it is my right to take drugs" Third -- I am not trying to "refute" anyone, it is a discussion. A exchange of opinions and perspectives.
@MrRepzion I couldn't possibly care any less about your differing opinions because in 1973 the Supreme Court already did that for me and judged against them all. The same legal body that enforces the same laws that prohibit the use of heroin and the speeding and all the other law based analogies of which you can think. The freedom of choice is already a law and offering your differing opinions would be the same as if I offered mine on the use of narcotics or joy riding.
@MrRepzion You do realize that women should be able to do what they want with their kid right? Its not like legalizing abortion will make it law for everyone to have abortions, its just there for people who want to do can do it in a safe way(infection and such).
@MrRepzion Well of course its a human, we cant birth another species lol, its viability on the other hand should be what in question, because if it cant live without the mother it should be her choice to get rid of it. Plus most of the people who get abortions do it because they really shouldnt be having kids at that time, so in a way its responsible of them to get them so they dont pollute the world with more kids who probably wont have a good childhood
I respect your opinion, but must tell you that I firmly disagree with it, and feel much of argument doesnt hold. Morality and laws are a human construct. There are no such things as biological laws, as the laws of all sciences are inevitibly based on the laws of physics and mathematics. Life is not an objectively defined term in the medical field.
@mtf61291 Um, as someone whom is in premed, I would have to strongly disagree with you. There are definitely biological laws, and there are also definite definitions of what constitutes life.
"Living organisms undergo metabolism, maintain homeostasis, possess a capacity to grow, respond to stimuli, reproduce and, through natural selection, adapt to their environment in successive generations. More complex living organisms can communicate through various means."
And i know this is a debate and everyones trying to be nice and all but-
The only people that disagree with abortion are faggots that think they're better than anyone else and because of this alot of them like to try and force their opinion on others (not saying u are MrRepzion). But in all honesty no one gives a shit what anyone else thinks (me or you), if you want to abort YOUR unborn baby, that DOES NOT FEEL or give a shit whats happening to it then u go ahead.
out of curiosity, what is your position if there is a medical emergency and the doctors must make a choice between the baby or the mother? who should be saved?
manslaughter does not equal murder. if i were to hit someone with my vehicle, it wouldn't be murder. i would be charged with reckless driving and manslaughter (which has a much smaller penalty when compared to murder)
second of all,
the entire topic of abortion boils down to whether or not you believe a fetus is considered human or not.
i believe if the fetus is less than three months old then its fine to dispose of. anytime after is illegal unless under extreme circumstances
Y'know it's possible that there's more to being human than simply being a living organism. Most of your assertions hang on your opinion in one particular way on that matter, and you'll find that most of the argumentation on that topic to be of a relativist nature, so know that your opinion will likely forever remain so. Also if you ever want to be respected in the discursive community you'd learn to be less condescending of your source material.
Social equality bro. Women, like men, should have the ability to have sex for pleasure without the risking pregnancy or parenthood. Equal rights.
Adoption is a legitimate option for most unexpected pregnancies, but women experience intense discrimination while pregnant, which can permanently cripple the mother.
Unexpected pregnancy is a horrible thing, as is abortion. Instead of introducing sorrow and hardship into the world it is better to abort and learn to respect the power of nature.
@Rhogar33 Humans do have rights, as does a unborn child who is a human being. A right to life. Don't you dare comment back saying a fetus is not a child, I have provided countless secular sources from medical textbooks and Doctors claiming that life begins at conception, therefore, the fetus is a human being. A individual person.
Have you forgotten about rape? What if the woman doesn't want to look at a creature that only represents hate and depression?
That being said, you should be able to abort for several reasons; but a form of birth control, no.
Mothers may not always have the ability to care for a child, whether it's food, a house, or even her own health. If a woman cannot take care of the child, dispose of it while in the womb instead of letting it suffer in an orphanage.
@MsBenzendrine Please read my 3 comments below toward the user TheCatOfNimes, I mention rape there. Diposing of a child in the womb is murder, as I have already established that a child, a fetus, is a human being in earlier comments. I used secular medical sources to prove this. If you can't provide food for your born 4 year old, should you just 'dispose' of him?
Being a rape victim myself, I would never be able to have a baby, had I got pregnant. Thankfully I didn't. The idea of that is just torture. Why do you have to be a victim for your whole life because of a rapist?
And no, a fetus is not a human.
Is an egg a chicken? No, it is an egg. It will become a chicken if hatched.
A woman knowing she won't be able to provide for a child WHILE pregnant and one that cannot pay later in his life is different.
@MsBenzendrine Sorry to hear that. However, with all due respect, a fetus is a human. Secular documented sources and Doctors prove you wrong on this, " Dr. Bradley M. Patten's textbook, Human Embryology, states, "It is the penetration of the ovum by a spermatozoan and the resultant mingling of the nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the culmination of the process of fertilization and marks the initiation of the life of a new individual." contin...part 1
@MsBenzendrine Doctors E.L. Potter and J.M. Craign write in Pathology of the Fetus and the Infant, "Every time a sperm cell and ovum unite a new being is created which is alive and will continue to live unless its death is brought about by some specific condition. " Their conclusion is based on the scientific and medical facts. The fetus is in fact a living unborn child. \Potter, Edith Louise, and John M. Craig. Pathology of the Fetus and the Infant. London: Lloyd-Luke, 1975. Print. contin.2
@MrRepzion Okay, even if it was true that it is "human", why should the mother have to deal with a child that was brought on by something that has caused the most humiliation, depression, and anger in her life? A fetus feels nothing, why should an already living being suffer? You say you are pro-life. Think about the already living person's life.
@MsBenzendrine That is a good question, and I apologize if i sound condescending in my comments, not trying to be. Rape is never the fault of the child; the guilty party, not the innocent party, should be punished. In those rare cases when a pregnancy is the result of rape, we must be careful who gets the blame. Why should person A be killed because person B raped person A's mother? If your father committed a crime, should you go to jail for it? contined...
@MrRepzion If you believe the sperm of a rapist is innocent... But, let's go with what you say. The fetus is innocent. Okay. Again, why should the mother suffer for what's been done to her? Isn't that condemning the ORIGINAL innocent party?
Just so you know, you will not get me to change my life. I am pro-choice and believe the woman has every right to abort a child she does not want.
Again though, I do not see it as a method of birth control.
@MsBenzendrine Uh, not sure how you got the conclusion from me that the sperm of a rapist is innocent. That is not the point I was trying to make nor do I believe that. I'll be honest, I am stumped on your question and will try to respond to you tomorrow (it is late and I have college tomorrow) and give you an answer to your question. Btw, I am not trying to make you change your life.
@MsBenzendrine If you found out today that your biological father had raped your mother, would you feel you no longer had a right to live? Rape is horrible that we easily transfer our horror to the wrong object. We must not impose the ugliness of rape or incest upon either the innocent woman or the innocent child. The woman is not "spoiled goods" -- she is not "goods" at all but a precious human being with value and dignity that not even the vilest act can take from her. contin..
@MrRepzion If she was in fact raped, I hope she wouldn't still be with him. XD
But jokes aside, I would happily give my life for my mother if I knew that. If I knew I was just a rape-child and caused her nothing by sorrow, anger, frustration, and all the other emotions that come along with it.
The concept you aren't grasping though, is that the fetus never LIVED. It does not have emotion, or memory. If the woman wants a child later, then give her the right to have one she is proud of.
@MsBenzendrine Final part, Likewise, the child is not a cancer to be removed but a living human being. By all means, let's punish the rapist. But let's not punish the wrong person by inflicitng upon the innocent child our rage against the rapist.
@MsBenzendrine And in response to your is the egg a chicken? Is a seed a flower? those who understand what a flower seed/egg is will realize that, ironically, the analogy serves the opposite purpose for which it is intended! Blueprints are not houses, nor do they become houses no matter how long we care to wait, because by nature they are something else. But while the blueprint in no sense becomes the house, the flower seed does become a flower. contin...3
@MsBenzendrine While no house was ever in blueprint, every flower was once a seed. So it was the person - a person doesnt simply come from an embryo or fetus. A person was an embryo, then a fetus. As every flower was a seed, every person was once a fertilized egg. All the flower is or ever will be was in the seed. If the seed were destroyed there would be no flower. . Likewise, all that adult is or ever will be was in the embryo.. contin, final part
@MsBenzendrine final part -- If the embryo were destroyed, there would be no baby.no teenagers, and no adult. When the baby dies the teenager dies. When the embryo dies, the baby dies. Abortion doesn't kill potential people. It kills actual people. I am not trying to "debate" merely help understand
You're good in front of the camera. Just keep in mind; that although it seems professional, jumping from one cut to another is extremely annoying, normal speech isn't like that. Stop doing it, it's a phase which will fade out eventually.
Stopped watching at 5:30 but you pose a valid point, though if the parents are NOT able to take care of the child at the point of conception, should the abortion be allowed? It would save the child undue harm when it's born albeit not the best alternative but only 85% of foster children are adopted before the age of 18 and many of these children were born into financially unstable families who were forced to give up the child, it's not good but it's the best option we as a race have.
Seems to be missing a rebuttal based upon the fact that the mother's blood couldn't mix with the child's. Different blood types would cause blood poisoning. Being a parasite is not just a matter of perspective; an unborn child is separate from the mother's body, even if contained within the womb. Aside from any religious view on the subject, right now the US is nowhere close to meeting population replacement; it's in decline, and so much so that it's almost, if not already, irreversible.
if you don't support abortion you are a white male who wants to strip power from his female counter part forcing them to stay in the kitchen and give birth until they can't stand any longer. You talk about law of nature, law of nature also tells us to kill for survival, and that every man was forced to in-pregnant every women they could to spread their seed. Thankfully we don't have to do that anymore and we can choose when we want to have a kid.
@evolkram Agreed, some people don't seem to realise that women can die from child birth and its the most painful things in the world. In short, Abortion is NOT wrong in my opinion.
@TheCatOfNimes It is an extremely rare case when abortion is required to save the mother's life. Dr.C. Everett Koop, a United States Surgeon General stated in his thirty-eight years as pediatric surgeon," He was never aware of a single situation in which a preborn child's life had to be taken in order to save the life of the mother." He said the use of this argument to justify abortion in general was a "smoke screen." contin...
@TheCatOfNimes Due to the significant medical advances, the danger of pregnancy to the mother has declined considerably since the 1960s. Yet even at that time, Dr. Alan Guttmacher of planned parenthood acknowledged, "Today it is possible for almost any patient to be brought through pregnancy alive, unless she suffers from a fatal illness such as cancer or leukemia, and if so, abortion would be unlikely to prolong, much less save, life. contin...
@TheCatOfNimes "Less than 1 percent of all abortion are performed to save the mother's life. Alan Guttmacher Institute, "Abortion and Women's Health," 1967 --
what are you twelve? You know what happens when you have a baby by mistake. You stay stuck in the welfare system, your kid will be stuck in the welfare system and their kids and so on. In turn increasing taxes. Conservatives want to pay less taxes and get rid of abortion. Well you criminalize something like abortion your gonna pay higher taxes. This kid is only speaking out from what his parents told him growing up, way to conform to are terrible society kid.
I have a solution, stop trying to take more of our fucking rights away because of your god damn book, we don't agree, it's not our duty to agree, so fuck off.
@WhaleGambit Excuse me sir, but unless your completely deaf, this video is not based upon any "book" or Bible The Bible is not mentioned anyplace in this video -- and I made it that way for a reason, thanks. You post another comment like this claiming that I am using a "book" when I do not, I will block you. Hate comments like this.
@WhaleGambit Sooo where did he say anything about a book? cause i listened to it twice trying to find the "Bible stuff" that he talks about that are taking away your rights...i dont hear him talking about it.....
good video... I think it was best at the beginning and very end... middle area of your video I can't completely agree with, but it's still alright. But your 1st point itself is still good enough to debunk Thompson's argument in the general case. As for the cases of rape and stuff, his argument might apply there... but he surely hasn't proven that it can. For starters, he'd need to prove why killing the violinist is okay, which I don't think he can entirely do.
@rakerlad. Back ages ago when you said that an egg isn't a chicken and a seed isnt a flower. You are right. But they have the potential to become this. A fetus has already become the flower so to speak. The sperm and the ovum are like the egg and the seed, quite literally. And so when they join and form into the fetus it has then become a human. As much as i am against abortion, i must agree with contraception. If you can stop the fetus from becoming in the first place then you havent killed.
What if the woman was raped? What if it was incestuous rape? What if the fetus was found to have serious genetic abnormalities or other serious medical issues that put the life of the mother at risk and have a child that literally was not able to survive on it's own. Also, your speeding anaology is utterly shitty, here's 10p, go buy a clue.
The REAL question from the pig that wants to be eaten
You get DRUNK and you end up going to the FLOOR of a VOLUNTEER group where they hook people up to people who are dying so they can live until a kidney transplant happens. You PASS OUT on a bed and WAKE UP hooked to a violinist. See there is a BIG difference? Your irresponsibility has led to you being hooked up! You were NOT kidnapped but you passed out there!
@NephilimFree Oh you pro-lifers, You so crazy. If the mother does not intend to care for the child BEFORE OR AFTER it is born she should have an abortion. She will take drugs, smoke and drink while the child is in the womb because she is irresponsible. The child is born with defects and spends the rest of his life in a foster home, Wonderful huh?
also im pro abortion if your raped you should be able to abort its a choice its Un-Constitutional to not allow abortion but its the mothers choice to abort if you want to do it dont care and if you go through with it still dont care abortion is a good thing it lowers the population something we need to do theres to many of us and not to many tigers, lions, etc and technically that baby isnt a human until its a fetus so im pro abortion if she has a disease and it'll kill the baby then abort
so if a tapeworm infests your stomach you cannot dispose of it because it has a right to live?, i belive in the quality of life not the quantity, rights dotn apply to the child unless it posses brain activity, otherwise its just a mish mash of cells. also why do you hang up comic books and not read them lol that would be the equivalent of hanging choclate on my wall and expecting me not to eat it lol
@rakerlad In this case, you'd be happy and perfectly okay if your sister/mother was brutally molested or raped? We cannot allow pure 'freedom' like that, don't be stupid.
what about rape you fucking dipshit do you want people who have been raped to have to live with the constant reminder that they were sexualy abused take you fucking christian bullshit and shove it up you ass
even a baby conceived from rape should never be aborted because it is a life and soul created by god. There are Many Many Many people born from being conceived by their parent having been raped and yet they may have a great life and benefit the mother or father as it were.
@remieres You're evil, and stupid, Wouldn't aborting a child's soul that was created by god send him to heaven? Or would god just snap his fingers and he would be inside a different woman's womb? It perplexes the fuck out of me when christians take this hard pro-life stance. I know I'll sound cliche here but why would these people be so upset about death when they believe in an afterlife of eternal bliss? The actions you take admit you don't believe deep down, but are just in it for the ride
@rakerlad woah, calm down. Lets say there is a homosexual atheist in texas, even though they do not believe in god, the still cannot marry the person they love because it is illegal, Because of the bible. Secondly, The children who get the textbooks leaving out the founding fathers and replacing them with john calvin, can't do anything about it. The children are brainwashed into believing it by that age. why are you so angry?
@WhaleGambit im angry because the things you said are wrong, and that doesn't mean that it should continue. im angry because people think their own personal sense of morality should impend on others and their own personal freedom to make decisions and live their own lives.
@rakerlad Well what exactly did I say that was wrong? Trust me, I'm on your side on this one. I fucking hate pro-lifers, their narrow minded and aggressively stupid.
A woman's body belongs to herself, and if she doesn't want the fetus, then it is her choice to terminate it or carry it to term and make decisions available to her.
@vampiralanimefreak Not all things done with a person's body are right, nor should they all be legally protected. A man is not permitted to expose himself in public. Prostitution is usually illegal. Same with certain drugs. Most would agree with these laws, yet they all restrict our freedom to do certain things with our bodies. My hand is part of my body, but I am not free to use it to strike you or steal from you or to hurt an innocent child. contin...
@rakerlad espite the dehumanizing elements of your seed is not a plant, those who understand what a flower seed is will realize that, ironically, the analogy serves the opposite purpose for which it is intended! Blueprints are not houses, nor do they become houses no matter how long we care to wait, because by nature they are something else. But while the blueprint in no sense becomes the house, the flower seed does become a flower. It can do so only because in the most basic sense.. contin.
@MrRepzion it is the Flower. While no house was ever in blueprint, every flower was once a seed. So it was the person - a person doesnt simply come from an embryo or fetus. A person was an embryo, then a fetus. As every flower was a seed, every person was once a fertilized egg. All the flower is or ever will be was in the seed. If the seed were destroyed there would be no flower. Likewise, all that adult is or ever will be was in the embryo. If the embryo were destroyed.. contin..
@rakerlad there would be no baby.no teenagers, and no adult. When the baby dies the teenager dies. When the embryo dies, the baby dies. Abortion doesn't kill potential people. It kills actual people. And as far as your "fetus isn't a person, secular sources and biology textbook prove you wrong on this.. contin..
@rakerlad Doctors E.L. Potter and J.M. Craign write in Pathology of the Fetus and the Infant, "Every time a sperm cell and ovum unite a new being is created which is alive and will continue to live unless its death is brought about by some specific condition. " The fetus is in fact a living unborn child. Potter, Edith Louise, and John M. Craig. Pathology of the Fetus and the Infant. London: Lloyd-Luke, 1975. Print. book source.
@rakerlad My second source, Dr. Bradley M. Patten's textbook, Human Embryology, states, "It is the penetration of the ovum by a spermatozoan and the resultant mingling of the nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the culmination of the process of fertilization and marks the initiation of the life of a new individual." Patten, Bradley M. Human Embryology. New York: Blakiston Division, McGraw-Hill, 1968. Print. Please cite your sources that prove a fetus is not a child.
A woman's body belongs to herself, and if she doesn't want the fetus, then it is her choice to terminate it or carry it to term and make decisions available to her.
I agree with the view that if you have consented to a sexual act, and fallen pregnant as a result, abortion is murder. However, if the child results from sexual assault, it is unfair to put a woman through nine months of pregnancy, and the pain of childbirth, only to end up with a child that reminds them of their ordeal... in this case abortion should be an option. But you also have to think: is the child going to have a good quality of life?
all i know is that is that its a persons life and the life they are carrying is their responsibility if they want an abortion let them, its their life not yours its not affecting yours in any way shape or form... thats all. but his argument was pretty crappy XD
Abortionists are heartless monsters. I hate how those people make up worthless scientific excuses just to kill an innocent baby. What they're really trying to say is that, "I don't want the responsibility of being a parent, so I'll just kill my child". Plain and simple murder.
the violinist argument was so dumb. i am pro abortion but not with arguments like that. Just as bad was your speeding analogy. i wish people would stay away from long drawn out analogies. no one wins in them. driving and sex and cheating the laws of nature didn't win me over.
Just face it people Abortion is murder no matter how you look at it. Take responsible for your actions and dont murder your child to cover your tracks.
@MalachiAlexander6 this argument isn't making any sense anymore. Basics are If you want to consider abortion not murder then thats your opinion. Mine is that it is straight up murder of an innocent child and hopefully people will come to realize that someday.
@WardyProductions I don't mention anything about Christianity, I only state that I believe in it. This videos deals nothing with Christianity, clean your ears.
and i gotta say, i dislike children and i always will. having a baby seems like a nightmare to me. i would rather die than get pregnant, give childbirth and take care for a baby. even thinking about it brings tears to my eyes.
what you are describing is a situation where everybody likes children, and where you are assuming that every woman would be a kickass parent.
unwanted children that do not have caring parents a lot of times grow up to be what you and me would call "bad people".
TheBlackenedWHITE 1 week ago
look, forcing a kid on a woman and not allowing abortion - do you think a child born to that woman, would be taken care of? do you think the woman would love and care for him the same as she would if he was planned? no.
and when you say "but there are orphanages!" - childbirth is very traumatic and extremely painful. and beside that, orphanages are overflowing with unwanted children.
abortion done correctly, legally and at the right time is not killing a baby, but just removing a clump of cells.
TheBlackenedWHITE 1 week ago
The 'Thompson' idea, wasn't very well done. Better fitted for rape situations.
EmoLight13 4 weeks ago
@TornadoCreator it's a her Thompson was a women lol
RickyVenegas 1 month ago
It's an interesting debate. I personally have no issue with Thompsons argument, I agree with him. The violinist has no right to use my body, I have a moral obligation to keep him alive but I'm not prepared to be leached on. (I find the analogy to fit better for rape). If however the violinist asks me before the procedure begins (ie. concenting sex), I cannot turn my back on the moral obligation. I am anti-abortion personally, however my opinion on the situation isn't set in stone.
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I believe thompsons argument works perfectly with a rape pregnancy as it was forced upon them. So I believe that this should be an exception to the rule of abortion.
tbitm 2 months ago
What would you said if that individual was rape and want and abortion? In addition, that person may feel that they have to get it in this situation.
geniusindesigns 4 months ago
@trentWHY more like 100000000000 or so...
Adroitism 4 months ago
@trentWHY Likewise, who gives a fuck about what you think?
acid777888 6 months ago
I think people should be allowed to have abortions, but it should be a one times mistake that never make again (unless its for medical reasons/ rape ). If some 15 year old whore gets 3 abortions, they should just make her have the kid and face the consequences.
marioluver86 7 months ago
@marioluver86 why would you condemn a baby to that fate
amicusnemini 7 months ago
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@amicusnemini says: why would you condemn a baby to that fate
~~~~~~~~~ Why would YOU bring unwanted, often hated kids into the world? Talk about a crappy "fate"!
Sueezee1 5 months ago
@marioluver86 says: think people should be allowed to have abortions, but it should be a one times mistake that never make again
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Did you know that 54% of women having abortions used a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant. So, what youre saying is, they should be punished with a child for using birth control that failed, & who are you to be telling any one what medical procedures they can have. Can I do the same with YOU?
Sueezee1 5 months ago
@marioluver86 exactly my POV.
Adroitism 4 months ago
1:37-1:59, what if the girl was raped and got pregnant?
JulieL17 7 months ago
You are hot AND smart.
kmxx244944 8 months ago 5
Also, in all technicality, the baby IS a parasite.
par·a·site
1. An organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense.
undergrnd20 8 months ago
@undergrnd20 That may be so, but a parasite is looked upon as being a selfish creature with a disregard for the 'host's' life. If you truly believe this, you must also believe that all children are parasites. I completely respect your views, but I don't agree.. The child is not gaining any pleasure, or strange gain from this experience, except life, and stop me if I'm wrong, but surely every being has a right to that?
NeverShoutSophiiie 8 months ago
@NeverShoutSophiiie Yeah, I get where you're coming from... I was posting that as a joke. I'm not pro-life or pro-abortion, I'm on the fence. If you REALLY need to do it, due to whatever, (15 year old gets raped, can't raise... Condom broke, etc...) then it's your deal. But all the people going bareback and getting pregnant then getting repeated abortions because they can? That's not cool.
undergrnd20 8 months ago
@undergrnd20 I know, I'm on the fence for those exact reasons. I know a girl in my school, she's had at least 3 abortions, and she's only 15. I think those kind of people need to rethink a few things before they have sex again, it's horrible to think about it.. Sorry for the rant :'}
NeverShoutSophiiie 8 months ago
@undergrnd20 says: But all the people going bareback and getting pregnant then getting repeated abortions because they can?
~~~~~~~~ Do you actually believe women have abortions ...just because they can? isnt that an absurd idea?
Sueezee1 5 months ago
@Sueezee1 Some people do. Most sensible people choose Plan B, but there are a few who would just get an abortion.
undergrnd20 5 months ago
@undergrnd20 says: Some people do.
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IN you saying " all the people going bareback and getting pregnant then getting repeated abortions because they can". youre saying abortion is a form of birth control. If abortion were used as a method of birth control, a typical woman would have at least two or three pregnancies (abortions) per year, for nearly 40 yrs. Do the math, thats 120 pregnancies/births/ abortions in a lifetime,at about $60,000 for abortion. Not a valid idea
Sueezee1 5 months ago
@Rhogar33 It's all woman's choice. If they don't want to have a baby, then they don't want to have a baby. Maybe the condom broke, or the birth control fails, or you can't have a baby at that time (ie: 15 year old) But sometimes it's necessary.
undergrnd20 8 months ago
Good argument Repzion. What Anton Lavey says is true. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Also, I would argue that the violinist has the right to strap someone to a gurnie and use them to keep themselves alive. Fuck their consent. But then, I'm a communist. How do most liberals justify taxation and redistribution then turn around and make shit excuses like this?
JimProfitCat 8 months ago
Abortion killed babys that did nothing wrong.
majorD01 8 months ago
as a female, i would say that abortion should be allowed depending on the circumstance of conception (rape), and wellbeing (of both the mother and child). UNLESS, there is a genetic trait of both parents that is unwanted for the infant as it can cause death, then the circumstances are more clear cut. your point is clear and valid and abortion should only occur as the last resort.
melodramaticfool101 10 months ago
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why does anyone have a right to life?
guysongirls 10 months ago
She dose suspend cause and effect to justify abortion. However, you should not be naive to assume liberals share a dogmatic belief. women = cause. women = effect. There's no principle of causation between the two.
So much for liberal rationalism.
TheAccidentalFascist 10 months ago
i agree 100 % im pro life and only in certain circumstances i can understand (like if the woman carrying the baby is sick and it could harm her or her child if pregnant) but really, its an innocent kid, and it has the god given right to live. period.
generationx1254 10 months ago
It's selfishness. Just because it is in you does not mean that it is yours to do whatever the hell you want with it. Once you're pregnant it is (SHOULD be) out of your hands. That baby is it's own person.
And you aren't just zapping him/her and that's it...think of the LIFE that you're taking away.
There's gonna be a lot of pissed off aborted kids in heaven...and I would be to, just saying...
If you can't support it, give it up for adoption!!!
LoneSola 11 months ago
agreed one hundred perscent. Thank you.
CresentSanctuary 11 months ago
I love you Rep (: Haa
CarmenCatastrophee 11 months ago
Pro-DEATH people should have been aborted, then they would know what it was like (and would not be here now)
fwesh1 11 months ago
Rep, I agree with you on most things, but on this I don't. Thought provoking video though, it got me to see the other side of the argument, rather than the typical 'GAWD SAIZ NO!' argument.
On a completely off-topic note; where did you get the "OMG" pillow?
geckoguy555 11 months ago
@trentWHY YEA JUST LET EVERYBODY DO WHAT THEY WANT. HEY I FEEL LIKE KILLING YOU AND A MILLION OTHER PEOPLE TODAY. GO FIGURE.
fwesh1 11 months ago
@tkDarko it is an unfortunate circumstance, but it is STILL NOT THE CHILD'S FAULT. The innocence of the child SUPERCEDES EVERYTHING.
fwesh1 11 months ago
@apusma I completely agree
Thaheadband33 11 months ago
I agree, abortion is sad and wrong
WerberTV 1 year ago
@WerberTV what if the woman was raped, or if having the baby could physically, emotionally or economically cause serious harm to her?
i'm not saying abortion is therefore good, but i hate the idea of a woman being forced to carry the child of her rapist. especially in the cases of teen rape.
apusama 1 year ago
@apusama
That's a non consentual act. She didn't WANT the intercourse, therefore that's not what he's talking about.
I think she should be able to abort if it's caused by a rapist.
CamoDudet04 11 months ago
@CamoDudet04 yeah. i don't agree with abortion (especially as that alone could cause problems for the mother).
apusama 11 months ago
Way to go man. I just started watching your videos. You are dropping truth bombs brother. keep up the good works, I'll share your videos on my facebook.
pistonsfreak93 1 year ago
agreed completely
l153595750 1 year ago
Conception is not consensual, conscious, or even something we can reliably manipulate inside the womb (we've been trying for millennia). It is a consequence of other actions which are sometimes consensual, and sometimes not so.
tl;dr: you fail.
stealthbadger 1 year ago
I think you argued this really well and you are clearly good at thinking critically. :)
However, I'm going to have to disagree with you in the long run. I think abortion should be available to a woman if she truly feels that it is the right choice for her. Now, of course, that might not be viewed as the "right choice" by other people, but they're not the ones that would have to live with the foetus against their will.
alexface211 1 year ago
you know, something else I'd really like you to think about is your second belief that there is, without doubt, there is ALWAYS a bond with a mother and a child, born or otherwise, is a horrible, horrible assumption. just because you yourself have been granted with the luck of having a parent to bond with you in such a way, does not mean by any stretch, that everyone does.
you are a teenage boy.
you could never understand what it is to have life growing inside of you.
SesameStreetAlphabet 1 year ago
right, right.
because any of you stupid little teenage boys could comprehend what it really means to become pregnant, give birth, or the true responsibilities that come with creating life.
because all of you men understand what it's like for women living in your society and playing by your rules.
and regardless of all of this, all you can really concentrate on is how much we make you pay for dinner, because we all need you to pay for our dinner, because we are all helpless and useless.
SesameStreetAlphabet 1 year ago
Abortions happen and will never cease. End of story.
epiksonik 1 year ago
@tkDarko Yes it is you're just doing it wrong.
skateboarding31 1 year ago
I know this kid, I subscribed to him when Eric Douglace came out. Remember when I called your phone and recorded your own voice?
Yeah<3
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inxyEdits 1 year ago
Totally agreeing with your logic here. You have a very fluent speaking voice, despite a few mispronunciations.
The thing is, no matter how much sense it makes to anyone to stop abortion, it will ALWAYS be seen as chauvinist to force a woman to do ANYTHING. Women love men who pay for their dinner, but hate men who try to pay them less.
Men and women are fundamentally different, and I think that neither you or anyone else will be able to deter pro-abortionists. Its an issue of freedom vs morals
MrMaxwelldl 1 year ago
@MrMaxwelldl Those few mispronunciations is from my speech impediment, something I can't really change easily. But thanks.
MrRepzion 1 year ago
I AM anti-human. Genocides, blood diamonds, slavery, rape and pillaging, child armies, wars that revolve around what happens to people after they die and making sure they find out for sure first before you do. We are a virus. We ARE a parasite. We're the most effective one out there, and the less of us out there, the more the world will benefit.
thegatso 1 year ago
@thegatso I would feel the exact same way as, if it werent for the few truly good people. There light shines above all the evil. They really show me that when God made the world and said it was good, that He was right. That goodness is the only reason there is hope.
fwesh1 11 months ago
@trentWHY You obviously care what I think since you're taking the time to write a pointless, waste of space, comment :D
MrRepzion 1 year ago 3
@MrRepzion Sure, Accept comments that make people of the opposing side look like raging maniacs, but throw away valid comments, reminds me of shockofgod, the guy that linked me to this video . . .
WhaleGambit 1 year ago
@WhaleGambit I accept comments that deal with this video. If you want to argue with what the Bible teaches or condones -- do it on a video where I discuss the Bible.
MrRepzion 1 year ago
The person driving extremely fast is a poor parallel because the logic implies that a baby is a punishment. No person ever wants to get a speeding ticket, but people do want to have children. This not nearly so black and white of an issue, it depends heavily on the motivations for sex. As far as I am concerned if the baby is dependent on a specific person such that no other can care for it (without special apparatus etc.) It's essentially part of the mothers body. Her body, her choice.
skateboarding31 1 year ago
@skateboarding31 Oh and the other parallel at the end is kinda worse. You have managed to compare what you value as "human life" to a few hundred dollars twice in 12 minutes. While I do not consider a fetus a human by any means, I also do not consider a baby an "inconvenience." A parallel that in implication devalues the same things: You have sex and get a terminal but curable STD. You should not be granted the medicine to cure your disease because you consented to the act of sex itself. no?
skateboarding31 1 year ago
u mad, bro?
GenerationPoof 1 year ago
@seinekins A republican who supports homosexual rights? Should not assume my stances on thing. Secondly, next time you try heroin tell the judge "hey judgey poo, it is my body, and it is my right to take drugs" Third -- I am not trying to "refute" anyone, it is a discussion. A exchange of opinions and perspectives.
MrRepzion 1 year ago
@MrRepzion I couldn't possibly care any less about your differing opinions because in 1973 the Supreme Court already did that for me and judged against them all. The same legal body that enforces the same laws that prohibit the use of heroin and the speeding and all the other law based analogies of which you can think. The freedom of choice is already a law and offering your differing opinions would be the same as if I offered mine on the use of narcotics or joy riding.
seinekins 1 year ago
@MrRepzion well said
sgtOOX 1 year ago
@MrRepzion You do realize that women should be able to do what they want with their kid right? Its not like legalizing abortion will make it law for everyone to have abortions, its just there for people who want to do can do it in a safe way(infection and such).
IKraidenI 1 year ago
@IKraidenI If that "kid" is a human, then no.
MrRepzion 1 year ago
@MrRepzion Well of course its a human, we cant birth another species lol, its viability on the other hand should be what in question, because if it cant live without the mother it should be her choice to get rid of it. Plus most of the people who get abortions do it because they really shouldnt be having kids at that time, so in a way its responsible of them to get them so they dont pollute the world with more kids who probably wont have a good childhood
IKraidenI 1 year ago
@MrRepzion Heroine should be legal.
WhaleGambit 1 year ago
@MrRepzion I dont wanna start a debate >n<' just I think a women should be allowed to get one if she wants... P.S I seen you posted this on 4chan xD
TheCatOfNimes 1 year ago
I respect your opinion, but must tell you that I firmly disagree with it, and feel much of argument doesnt hold. Morality and laws are a human construct. There are no such things as biological laws, as the laws of all sciences are inevitibly based on the laws of physics and mathematics. Life is not an objectively defined term in the medical field.
mtf61291 1 year ago
@mtf61291 Um, as someone whom is in premed, I would have to strongly disagree with you. There are definitely biological laws, and there are also definite definitions of what constitutes life.
"Living organisms undergo metabolism, maintain homeostasis, possess a capacity to grow, respond to stimuli, reproduce and, through natural selection, adapt to their environment in successive generations. More complex living organisms can communicate through various means."
fetus fits all of these.
sgtOOX 1 year ago
@sgtOOX yeah because fetuses can definitely reproduce and maintain homeostasis on their own
bungbung13131 1 year ago
@mtf61291 I fully agree sir.
And i know this is a debate and everyones trying to be nice and all but-
The only people that disagree with abortion are faggots that think they're better than anyone else and because of this alot of them like to try and force their opinion on others (not saying u are MrRepzion). But in all honesty no one gives a shit what anyone else thinks (me or you), if you want to abort YOUR unborn baby, that DOES NOT FEEL or give a shit whats happening to it then u go ahead.
Jackal080 1 year ago
It can't take away its life if it doesn't have a heartbeat.
YourMovieSucksDOTorg 1 year ago
out of curiosity, what is your position if there is a medical emergency and the doctors must make a choice between the baby or the mother? who should be saved?
elrathJohnson 1 year ago
first of all,
manslaughter does not equal murder. if i were to hit someone with my vehicle, it wouldn't be murder. i would be charged with reckless driving and manslaughter (which has a much smaller penalty when compared to murder)
second of all,
the entire topic of abortion boils down to whether or not you believe a fetus is considered human or not.
i believe if the fetus is less than three months old then its fine to dispose of. anytime after is illegal unless under extreme circumstances
FukcYoDadsLawnmower 1 year ago
Y'know it's possible that there's more to being human than simply being a living organism. Most of your assertions hang on your opinion in one particular way on that matter, and you'll find that most of the argumentation on that topic to be of a relativist nature, so know that your opinion will likely forever remain so. Also if you ever want to be respected in the discursive community you'd learn to be less condescending of your source material.
ThePerm 1 year ago
Social equality bro. Women, like men, should have the ability to have sex for pleasure without the risking pregnancy or parenthood. Equal rights.
Adoption is a legitimate option for most unexpected pregnancies, but women experience intense discrimination while pregnant, which can permanently cripple the mother.
Unexpected pregnancy is a horrible thing, as is abortion. Instead of introducing sorrow and hardship into the world it is better to abort and learn to respect the power of nature.
strobe10101 1 year ago
@Rhogar33 Humans do have rights, as does a unborn child who is a human being. A right to life. Don't you dare comment back saying a fetus is not a child, I have provided countless secular sources from medical textbooks and Doctors claiming that life begins at conception, therefore, the fetus is a human being. A individual person.
MrRepzion 1 year ago
Have you forgotten about rape? What if the woman doesn't want to look at a creature that only represents hate and depression?
That being said, you should be able to abort for several reasons; but a form of birth control, no.
Mothers may not always have the ability to care for a child, whether it's food, a house, or even her own health. If a woman cannot take care of the child, dispose of it while in the womb instead of letting it suffer in an orphanage.
MsBenzendrine 1 year ago
@MsBenzendrine Please read my 3 comments below toward the user TheCatOfNimes, I mention rape there. Diposing of a child in the womb is murder, as I have already established that a child, a fetus, is a human being in earlier comments. I used secular medical sources to prove this. If you can't provide food for your born 4 year old, should you just 'dispose' of him?
MrRepzion 1 year ago
@MrRepzion I'd rather not, thank you.
Being a rape victim myself, I would never be able to have a baby, had I got pregnant. Thankfully I didn't. The idea of that is just torture. Why do you have to be a victim for your whole life because of a rapist?
And no, a fetus is not a human.
Is an egg a chicken? No, it is an egg. It will become a chicken if hatched.
A woman knowing she won't be able to provide for a child WHILE pregnant and one that cannot pay later in his life is different.
MsBenzendrine 1 year ago
@MsBenzendrine Sorry to hear that. However, with all due respect, a fetus is a human. Secular documented sources and Doctors prove you wrong on this, " Dr. Bradley M. Patten's textbook, Human Embryology, states, "It is the penetration of the ovum by a spermatozoan and the resultant mingling of the nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the culmination of the process of fertilization and marks the initiation of the life of a new individual." contin...part 1
MrRepzion 1 year ago
@MsBenzendrine Doctors E.L. Potter and J.M. Craign write in Pathology of the Fetus and the Infant, "Every time a sperm cell and ovum unite a new being is created which is alive and will continue to live unless its death is brought about by some specific condition. " Their conclusion is based on the scientific and medical facts. The fetus is in fact a living unborn child. \Potter, Edith Louise, and John M. Craig. Pathology of the Fetus and the Infant. London: Lloyd-Luke, 1975. Print. contin.2
MrRepzion 1 year ago
@MrRepzion Okay, even if it was true that it is "human", why should the mother have to deal with a child that was brought on by something that has caused the most humiliation, depression, and anger in her life? A fetus feels nothing, why should an already living being suffer? You say you are pro-life. Think about the already living person's life.
MsBenzendrine 1 year ago
@MsBenzendrine That is a good question, and I apologize if i sound condescending in my comments, not trying to be. Rape is never the fault of the child; the guilty party, not the innocent party, should be punished. In those rare cases when a pregnancy is the result of rape, we must be careful who gets the blame. Why should person A be killed because person B raped person A's mother? If your father committed a crime, should you go to jail for it? contined...
MrRepzion 1 year ago
@MrRepzion If you believe the sperm of a rapist is innocent... But, let's go with what you say. The fetus is innocent. Okay. Again, why should the mother suffer for what's been done to her? Isn't that condemning the ORIGINAL innocent party?
Just so you know, you will not get me to change my life. I am pro-choice and believe the woman has every right to abort a child she does not want.
Again though, I do not see it as a method of birth control.
MsBenzendrine 1 year ago
@MsBenzendrine Uh, not sure how you got the conclusion from me that the sperm of a rapist is innocent. That is not the point I was trying to make nor do I believe that. I'll be honest, I am stumped on your question and will try to respond to you tomorrow (it is late and I have college tomorrow) and give you an answer to your question. Btw, I am not trying to make you change your life.
MrRepzion 1 year ago
@MrRepzion So be it. I don't log onto youtube every day, was only on because I seen it on 4chan, but I'll be sure to look.
MsBenzendrine 1 year ago
@MsBenzendrine If you found out today that your biological father had raped your mother, would you feel you no longer had a right to live? Rape is horrible that we easily transfer our horror to the wrong object. We must not impose the ugliness of rape or incest upon either the innocent woman or the innocent child. The woman is not "spoiled goods" -- she is not "goods" at all but a precious human being with value and dignity that not even the vilest act can take from her. contin..
MrRepzion 1 year ago
@MrRepzion If she was in fact raped, I hope she wouldn't still be with him. XD
But jokes aside, I would happily give my life for my mother if I knew that. If I knew I was just a rape-child and caused her nothing by sorrow, anger, frustration, and all the other emotions that come along with it.
The concept you aren't grasping though, is that the fetus never LIVED. It does not have emotion, or memory. If the woman wants a child later, then give her the right to have one she is proud of.
MsBenzendrine 1 year ago
@MsBenzendrine Final part, Likewise, the child is not a cancer to be removed but a living human being. By all means, let's punish the rapist. But let's not punish the wrong person by inflicitng upon the innocent child our rage against the rapist.
MrRepzion 1 year ago
@MsBenzendrine And in response to your is the egg a chicken? Is a seed a flower? those who understand what a flower seed/egg is will realize that, ironically, the analogy serves the opposite purpose for which it is intended! Blueprints are not houses, nor do they become houses no matter how long we care to wait, because by nature they are something else. But while the blueprint in no sense becomes the house, the flower seed does become a flower. contin...3
MrRepzion 1 year ago
@MsBenzendrine While no house was ever in blueprint, every flower was once a seed. So it was the person - a person doesnt simply come from an embryo or fetus. A person was an embryo, then a fetus. As every flower was a seed, every person was once a fertilized egg. All the flower is or ever will be was in the seed. If the seed were destroyed there would be no flower. . Likewise, all that adult is or ever will be was in the embryo.. contin, final part
MrRepzion 1 year ago
@MsBenzendrine final part -- If the embryo were destroyed, there would be no baby.no teenagers, and no adult. When the baby dies the teenager dies. When the embryo dies, the baby dies. Abortion doesn't kill potential people. It kills actual people. I am not trying to "debate" merely help understand
MrRepzion 1 year ago
You're good in front of the camera. Just keep in mind; that although it seems professional, jumping from one cut to another is extremely annoying, normal speech isn't like that. Stop doing it, it's a phase which will fade out eventually.
UltimateHedge 1 year ago
Stopped watching at 5:30 but you pose a valid point, though if the parents are NOT able to take care of the child at the point of conception, should the abortion be allowed? It would save the child undue harm when it's born albeit not the best alternative but only 85% of foster children are adopted before the age of 18 and many of these children were born into financially unstable families who were forced to give up the child, it's not good but it's the best option we as a race have.
KingAvenger96 1 year ago
You can't kill something that technically never lived.
ka0sthe0ry1337 1 year ago 2
Seems to be missing a rebuttal based upon the fact that the mother's blood couldn't mix with the child's. Different blood types would cause blood poisoning. Being a parasite is not just a matter of perspective; an unborn child is separate from the mother's body, even if contained within the womb. Aside from any religious view on the subject, right now the US is nowhere close to meeting population replacement; it's in decline, and so much so that it's almost, if not already, irreversible.
needlepoints 1 year ago
if you don't support abortion you are a white male who wants to strip power from his female counter part forcing them to stay in the kitchen and give birth until they can't stand any longer. You talk about law of nature, law of nature also tells us to kill for survival, and that every man was forced to in-pregnant every women they could to spread their seed. Thankfully we don't have to do that anymore and we can choose when we want to have a kid.
evolkram 1 year ago 2
@evolkram Agreed, some people don't seem to realise that women can die from child birth and its the most painful things in the world. In short, Abortion is NOT wrong in my opinion.
TheCatOfNimes 1 year ago
@TheCatOfNimes It is an extremely rare case when abortion is required to save the mother's life. Dr.C. Everett Koop, a United States Surgeon General stated in his thirty-eight years as pediatric surgeon," He was never aware of a single situation in which a preborn child's life had to be taken in order to save the life of the mother." He said the use of this argument to justify abortion in general was a "smoke screen." contin...
MrRepzion 1 year ago
@TheCatOfNimes Due to the significant medical advances, the danger of pregnancy to the mother has declined considerably since the 1960s. Yet even at that time, Dr. Alan Guttmacher of planned parenthood acknowledged, "Today it is possible for almost any patient to be brought through pregnancy alive, unless she suffers from a fatal illness such as cancer or leukemia, and if so, abortion would be unlikely to prolong, much less save, life. contin...
MrRepzion 1 year ago
@TheCatOfNimes "Less than 1 percent of all abortion are performed to save the mother's life. Alan Guttmacher Institute, "Abortion and Women's Health," 1967 --
MrRepzion 1 year ago
good god is this really 13 minutes long?
Kyvolt 1 year ago
oh look another opinionated white teen
brodiebalonie 1 year ago
what are you twelve? You know what happens when you have a baby by mistake. You stay stuck in the welfare system, your kid will be stuck in the welfare system and their kids and so on. In turn increasing taxes. Conservatives want to pay less taxes and get rid of abortion. Well you criminalize something like abortion your gonna pay higher taxes. This kid is only speaking out from what his parents told him growing up, way to conform to are terrible society kid.
evolkram 1 year ago
I gotta say, I like the way you do address rape babies, BUT I believe they should have the option to abort a rape baby.
Their life is probably ruined enough, they don't need a baby on their hands too.
NewOldEBM 1 year ago
I have a solution, stop trying to take more of our fucking rights away because of your god damn book, we don't agree, it's not our duty to agree, so fuck off.
WhaleGambit 1 year ago 2
@WhaleGambit Excuse me sir, but unless your completely deaf, this video is not based upon any "book" or Bible The Bible is not mentioned anyplace in this video -- and I made it that way for a reason, thanks. You post another comment like this claiming that I am using a "book" when I do not, I will block you. Hate comments like this.
MrRepzion 1 year ago
you cant even fucking read, and you expect me to take that opinion seriously?
gabba1gabba1hey 1 year ago
@WhaleGambit Sooo where did he say anything about a book? cause i listened to it twice trying to find the "Bible stuff" that he talks about that are taking away your rights...i dont hear him talking about it.....
EnvelopingShadowz 1 year ago
good video... I think it was best at the beginning and very end... middle area of your video I can't completely agree with, but it's still alright. But your 1st point itself is still good enough to debunk Thompson's argument in the general case. As for the cases of rape and stuff, his argument might apply there... but he surely hasn't proven that it can. For starters, he'd need to prove why killing the violinist is okay, which I don't think he can entirely do.
DreamwaIker 1 year ago
@rakerlad. Back ages ago when you said that an egg isn't a chicken and a seed isnt a flower. You are right. But they have the potential to become this. A fetus has already become the flower so to speak. The sperm and the ovum are like the egg and the seed, quite literally. And so when they join and form into the fetus it has then become a human. As much as i am against abortion, i must agree with contraception. If you can stop the fetus from becoming in the first place then you havent killed.
raildriver1000 1 year ago
What about rape or incest.
What about id the baby is dead, or will die, and suffers until then?
Or what if the woman will die in childbirth?
TheKitch2 1 year ago
What if the woman was raped? What if it was incestuous rape? What if the fetus was found to have serious genetic abnormalities or other serious medical issues that put the life of the mother at risk and have a child that literally was not able to survive on it's own. Also, your speeding anaology is utterly shitty, here's 10p, go buy a clue.
AngryWomble 1 year ago
The REAL question from the pig that wants to be eaten
You get DRUNK and you end up going to the FLOOR of a VOLUNTEER group where they hook people up to people who are dying so they can live until a kidney transplant happens. You PASS OUT on a bed and WAKE UP hooked to a violinist. See there is a BIG difference? Your irresponsibility has led to you being hooked up! You were NOT kidnapped but you passed out there!
MrJoshiemoto 1 year ago
Well done brother. You shot that ridiculous argument doanw thoroughly. Abortion cannot be justified. Period.
NephilimFree 1 year ago
@NephilimFree Oh you pro-lifers, You so crazy. If the mother does not intend to care for the child BEFORE OR AFTER it is born she should have an abortion. She will take drugs, smoke and drink while the child is in the womb because she is irresponsible. The child is born with defects and spends the rest of his life in a foster home, Wonderful huh?
WhaleGambit 1 year ago
HOLY JUMP CUTS BATMAN!
shanetm 1 year ago
also im pro abortion if your raped you should be able to abort its a choice its Un-Constitutional to not allow abortion but its the mothers choice to abort if you want to do it dont care and if you go through with it still dont care abortion is a good thing it lowers the population something we need to do theres to many of us and not to many tigers, lions, etc and technically that baby isnt a human until its a fetus so im pro abortion if she has a disease and it'll kill the baby then abort
MrAverageRetro 1 year ago
i think abortion is okay it lowers the chances of stupid people having kids :D
MrAverageRetro 1 year ago 2
I completely agree, people do know that contraception is 99% useful, there is still a 1% chance they will have a child.
kellydejong 1 year ago
so if a tapeworm infests your stomach you cannot dispose of it because it has a right to live?, i belive in the quality of life not the quantity, rights dotn apply to the child unless it posses brain activity, otherwise its just a mish mash of cells. also why do you hang up comic books and not read them lol that would be the equivalent of hanging choclate on my wall and expecting me not to eat it lol
dalektaliban 1 year ago 3
@dalektaliban Better example, what's with the My chemical romance poster? That's like if I hung a bag of horse-shit onto the wall.
*badum, tsh*
WhaleGambit 1 year ago
let people have the freedom to do what they want. fuck off
rakerlad 1 year ago 2
@rakerlad In this case, you'd be happy and perfectly okay if your sister/mother was brutally molested or raped? We cannot allow pure 'freedom' like that, don't be stupid.
MrRepzion 1 year ago
@MrRepzion no thats different, just like if you want to restrict freedom, you also want to give away your right to freedom of speech.
rakerlad 1 year ago
seams like theres 12 baby killers who've watched this video
remieres 1 year ago
what about rape you fucking dipshit do you want people who have been raped to have to live with the constant reminder that they were sexualy abused take you fucking christian bullshit and shove it up you ass
LongboardCalifornia 1 year ago
even a baby conceived from rape should never be aborted because it is a life and soul created by god. There are Many Many Many people born from being conceived by their parent having been raped and yet they may have a great life and benefit the mother or father as it were.
remieres 1 year ago
@remieres You're evil, and stupid, Wouldn't aborting a child's soul that was created by god send him to heaven? Or would god just snap his fingers and he would be inside a different woman's womb? It perplexes the fuck out of me when christians take this hard pro-life stance. I know I'll sound cliche here but why would these people be so upset about death when they believe in an afterlife of eternal bliss? The actions you take admit you don't believe deep down, but are just in it for the ride
WhaleGambit 1 year ago
@WhaleGambit DUDE, NOT EVERYONE BELIEVES IN GOD, SO NOT EVERYONE HAS TO FOLLOW BY CHRISTIANITYS BULLSHIT LAWS!
rakerlad 1 year ago
@rakerlad woah, calm down. Lets say there is a homosexual atheist in texas, even though they do not believe in god, the still cannot marry the person they love because it is illegal, Because of the bible. Secondly, The children who get the textbooks leaving out the founding fathers and replacing them with john calvin, can't do anything about it. The children are brainwashed into believing it by that age. why are you so angry?
WhaleGambit 1 year ago
@WhaleGambit im angry because the things you said are wrong, and that doesn't mean that it should continue. im angry because people think their own personal sense of morality should impend on others and their own personal freedom to make decisions and live their own lives.
rakerlad 1 year ago
@rakerlad Well what exactly did I say that was wrong? Trust me, I'm on your side on this one. I fucking hate pro-lifers, their narrow minded and aggressively stupid.
WhaleGambit 1 year ago
I love your vids,
but this once- I disagree.
A woman's body belongs to herself, and if she doesn't want the fetus, then it is her choice to terminate it or carry it to term and make decisions available to her.
vampiralanimefreak 1 year ago
@vampiralanimefreak Not all things done with a person's body are right, nor should they all be legally protected. A man is not permitted to expose himself in public. Prostitution is usually illegal. Same with certain drugs. Most would agree with these laws, yet they all restrict our freedom to do certain things with our bodies. My hand is part of my body, but I am not free to use it to strike you or steal from you or to hurt an innocent child. contin...
MrRepzion 1 year ago 2
@vampiralanimefreak The key question is whether what is done with one person's body brings significant harm to others. Clearly, abortion does.
MrRepzion 1 year ago
@MrRepzion no, an egg isn't a chicken. a seed isn't a plant. a fetus isn't a person
rakerlad 1 year ago
@rakerlad espite the dehumanizing elements of your seed is not a plant, those who understand what a flower seed is will realize that, ironically, the analogy serves the opposite purpose for which it is intended! Blueprints are not houses, nor do they become houses no matter how long we care to wait, because by nature they are something else. But while the blueprint in no sense becomes the house, the flower seed does become a flower. It can do so only because in the most basic sense.. contin.
MrRepzion 1 year ago
@MrRepzion it is the Flower. While no house was ever in blueprint, every flower was once a seed. So it was the person - a person doesnt simply come from an embryo or fetus. A person was an embryo, then a fetus. As every flower was a seed, every person was once a fertilized egg. All the flower is or ever will be was in the seed. If the seed were destroyed there would be no flower. Likewise, all that adult is or ever will be was in the embryo. If the embryo were destroyed.. contin..
MrRepzion 1 year ago
@rakerlad there would be no baby.no teenagers, and no adult. When the baby dies the teenager dies. When the embryo dies, the baby dies. Abortion doesn't kill potential people. It kills actual people. And as far as your "fetus isn't a person, secular sources and biology textbook prove you wrong on this.. contin..
MrRepzion 1 year ago
@rakerlad Doctors E.L. Potter and J.M. Craign write in Pathology of the Fetus and the Infant, "Every time a sperm cell and ovum unite a new being is created which is alive and will continue to live unless its death is brought about by some specific condition. " The fetus is in fact a living unborn child. Potter, Edith Louise, and John M. Craig. Pathology of the Fetus and the Infant. London: Lloyd-Luke, 1975. Print. book source.
MrRepzion 1 year ago
@rakerlad My second source, Dr. Bradley M. Patten's textbook, Human Embryology, states, "It is the penetration of the ovum by a spermatozoan and the resultant mingling of the nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the culmination of the process of fertilization and marks the initiation of the life of a new individual." Patten, Bradley M. Human Embryology. New York: Blakiston Division, McGraw-Hill, 1968. Print. Please cite your sources that prove a fetus is not a child.
MrRepzion 1 year ago
I love your vids,
but this once- I disagree.
A woman's body belongs to herself, and if she doesn't want the fetus, then it is her choice to terminate it or carry it to term and make decisions available to her.
vampiralanimefreak 1 year ago
@vampiralanimefreak So because the baby is an inconvenience it should be right to get rid of it right?
EnvelopingShadowz 1 year ago
I agree with the view that if you have consented to a sexual act, and fallen pregnant as a result, abortion is murder. However, if the child results from sexual assault, it is unfair to put a woman through nine months of pregnancy, and the pain of childbirth, only to end up with a child that reminds them of their ordeal... in this case abortion should be an option. But you also have to think: is the child going to have a good quality of life?
gooface28 1 year ago
whoever said this is the most ignorant dumbass ever, they have no understanding. not to mention the analogy is just completely wrong
JSasRays 1 year ago
In response to your first point: get laid. You will not look at sex the same way again lol
DevilDman 1 year ago 2
all i know is that is that its a persons life and the life they are carrying is their responsibility if they want an abortion let them, its their life not yours its not affecting yours in any way shape or form... thats all. but his argument was pretty crappy XD
fishyfrankie 1 year ago
Abortionists are heartless monsters. I hate how those people make up worthless scientific excuses just to kill an innocent baby. What they're really trying to say is that, "I don't want the responsibility of being a parent, so I'll just kill my child". Plain and simple murder.
XiaoFury 1 year ago
the violinist argument was so dumb. i am pro abortion but not with arguments like that. Just as bad was your speeding analogy. i wish people would stay away from long drawn out analogies. no one wins in them. driving and sex and cheating the laws of nature didn't win me over.
freethinker3161 1 year ago
i dont see anything wrong with killing ANYONE!
greatestsongsofLIFE 1 year ago
@greatestsongsofLIFE So are you saying that it is right for someone to kill your child or your mother?
JoeCountry1 1 year ago
i gotta say thompson used a very bad comparison -.-
KUNGFUAure1991 1 year ago
Just face it people Abortion is murder no matter how you look at it. Take responsible for your actions and dont murder your child to cover your tracks.
kvg44gbs 1 year ago
@kvg44gbs Yeah, about as murderous as killing a piece of grass.
MalachiAlexander6 1 year ago
@MalachiAlexander6 so you admit it is murder then. Doesn't matter as long as abortion is available bablies will continue to be murdered.
kvg44gbs 1 year ago
@kvg44gbs If I went outside right now and killed a piece of grass, would you call it murder?
MalachiAlexander6 1 year ago
@MalachiAlexander6 this argument isn't making any sense anymore. Basics are If you want to consider abortion not murder then thats your opinion. Mine is that it is straight up murder of an innocent child and hopefully people will come to realize that someday.
kvg44gbs 1 year ago
You made a very good argunent against the Thompson argument. It is very self-centered, and very inhumane! So, bravo to you!
jarbon5 1 year ago
wow too much Christianity bs in america.
You have been brainwashed man... take a step back and look at this without rose tinted glasses on.
WardyProductions 1 year ago
@WardyProductions I don't mention anything about Christianity, I only state that I believe in it. This videos deals nothing with Christianity, clean your ears.
MrRepzion 1 year ago 9