Noam Chomsky v Andrew Marr: 'The Big Idea' Part 2

[blockhart]

chomsky holds the world record for fastest TKO in any sport or thing

[smutyhouse]

Marr gets taken to school by Chomsky. just brutal

[barryferguson]

One thing to pick up on from what Chomsky says - The Daily Herald was relaunched as The Sun in 1964 but after talking about the Herald, Chomsky mentions the "tabloids of that time - the Mirror and the Sun". Apologies if this has already been pointed out and it doesn't detract at all from Chomsky's vast knowledge of seemingly any topic he speaks on. I could watch these videos all day

[toseeornot2see]

I would give so much to be half as intelligent, disciplined, driven and passionate as Chomsky.

[clerkhog]

this andrew marr guy is so smug with no credibility. nothing worthy to say, just waffles to the worlds biggest intellect to big up his ego. and thats the kinda world we live in

[gwangjuboy1]

This is intellectual blitzkreig! Marr was simply overwhelmed - Chomsky has at his disposal an incredible mind.

[mrrmair]

Noam Chomsky is supremely informed and incinerates Andrew Marr with his usual quiet nonchalant manner. What a gifted inspiring man he is. You have to pause a while and remind yourself that this the political editor of the BBC ( at the time of interview ) and he is completely dominated by Chomsky's ability to drown you in facts and refrences. Pure brilliance.

[whereismybailouttv]

Marr is still on the BBC. Shocking...

[TheLiberalAvenger]

It's like this guy just walked straight into the lion's den with a blindfold on. Awesome!



[phooey108]

Marr was shot down stone cold when he had to plead ignorance on COINTELPRO.

[coolioto]

Where's part one?

[codelocator]

'Within a very narrow spectrum". Chomsky knows, Marr is a product.

[Mjhavok]

Chomsky pwns Marr on every example so Marr has to move on lol.

[sophiemichele]

"..exactly the same time as another set of exposures, mainly the exposures of cointelpro.."

"I'm sorry you'll have to explain that."

"It's interesting that I have to explain it because it's vastly more significant than Watergate, that already makes my point." Chomsky's a genius!

[gymnosophy]

Andrew Marr gets his head ripped off- Ox bridge cunt.

[mdoob11]

My favorite part was Chomsky's "just a minute. Let's take a look".

It is so tacitly condescending... hahahahah go Chomsky!

[tomheppy]

chomsky just knows a ridiculous amount:who else would know about biases of the british press in 1960s?

[Cosbibi]

Yea it's ridiculous. And this part(the political work) is only half of his professional career. I would highly recommend the BBC interview about philosophy. One of the best interviews with him in my opinion and it's not even about politics.

[FenTel]

Marr: "How can you know that I'm self-censoring?"

Chomsky: "I don't think you're self-censoring. I'm sure you believe everything you're saying. But what I'm saying is if you believed something different, you wouldn't be sitting where you're sitting."

As is to be expected, Chomsky sure knows how to express himself. This is dangerously brilliant.

[tomheppy]

Completely agree

[pritz29]

COINTELPRO...i feel ahsamed i dont know about this...only one man whose books you read will bring something like this to your attention!! i have much respect for professor chomsky

[damasgate]

I never knew about COINTELPRO...just read about it in Wikipedia and wow...............

[Penlord]

when he compared ".001 percent" with "100%" all you could think is "DEBATE OVER"

 That guy got destroyed intellectually, you cannot argue with that sort of logic.

[riotpirate101]

I love the bit where Chomsky says I'm sure you believe everything you're saying..."

Marr looks a little pissed off

[flamablesteve]

The journalist is getting visably flustered:P

[applaya]

when you interview chomsky you damb well better know what cointelpro is. Did marr never read chomsky before interviewing him?

[stirrrrrr]

apparently not

i hope he read the book afterwards

[wraith696]

Sorry, can someone spell out what he said 1:48? I might look into that.

[asesina84]

James Curran. One of his books from the late 60's is "The British Press, a Manifesto", and a more current book is "Media and Cultural Theory" which covers several interesting topics.

[mrtweetee]

Chomsky is not only obnixious, but seems paraniod about the press being too 'right wing'. Ath the end of the day, no one is forced to watch the news or buy a paper, but the fact that they do and it happens to be right wing is simply a reflection of the populations views. If I run megabank inc im not gonna buy the socialist worker. It's called freedom Chomsky so shut up and piss of to north korea if you dont like it.

[boxant]

did you miss the part where he says the press is too "liberal"?

[mrtweetee]

I fell asleep halfway through so yes.

[T2DMrBungle]

great job. you are an obedient little citizen. keep sleeping through the important stuff but dismiss it as paranoid even though you don't understand what he's talking about. GW Bush would be proud of you.

[mrtweetee]

Why thank you.

It's true, I don't really give a monkeys, and even if the world is being run by a secret society of evil corporate financiers, is it really worse than living in a famine riddled war torn piss hole? Didn't think so.

[boxant]

Good to know we only have the two options.

[cayetanoluis]

"It's called freedom Chomsky so shut up and piss of to north korea if you dont like it."

I do so love it how right-wingers harp on about "freedom", yet when someone dares to question conventional wisdom, their response is "go to North Korea if you don't like it". In other words, they think that people should only have the right to listen to their propaganda, or to piss off.

[intrepgun]

i would say that noam is full of conventional wisdom. it's the lack of this wisdom from big business and big government etc. and their power that creates the perception by some that noam is somehow a lone nut or something way out there on the fringe when the reality is that he's extremely popular because he's a smart guy with good resources and work ethic and he holds the same views as the majority of the population.

but that's my own rhetorical viewpoint on the issue of conventional wisdom. :)

[laufzorn]

Marr asks how the system of media control works and Chomsky says "Im sure you believe everything you say but,...if you believed something different you wouldn't be sitting where you're sitting". In a nutshell, but Marr doesn't get it.

[Ang19950]

I think it would be wrong to be critical of Marr in this interview. I would say its down to how points are argued, Marr understands political theory enough to conduct this interview but they obviously these two indiviiuals come from different political standpoints. Marr is hardly going to criticize journalism as he has spend his life within this field, is he perhaps demonstrating Chomsky's point with his denial of propaganda models in british politics and other western democratic systems?

[bongolicious]

marr is so out of is realm here... he's walking in on something that Noam has been scrutinizing longer than Marr has lived... Its like Sting sitting down with Zappa and saying, 'hey, wheres it at?'

[someguyyoudontcare]

the journalists intention should be to extract information from the people they are interviewing, to get them to talk, not argue with them.

[m3141592]

Andrew Marr is a slave and a fool.

[HarryBallbag]

Marr gets his lefty butt kicked by Chomsky. A free press in Britain? Who the hell is Marr trying to kid? Himself? Love Chomsky's put downs: "I think the better journalists will tell you...". Marr is New Labour establishment and this effort backfired on his totalitarian ass.

[patient0Studios]

CHomsky is left wing..... Go back to American harrybailbag

[HarryBallbag]

Not like Marr is. Chomsky's not establishment either. His thoughts are his thoughts. Marr is an intellectual pigmy in comparison - as this video demonstrated irrefutably.

[weestro7]

I am deeply impressed by Professor Chomsky, and the accolades and acknowledgment he's gotten should provoke one's attention. Now, what I want to say is that I find it bewildering and worthy of reflection how Chomsky answers the interviewer's question (in the part 1 video on YouTube) about the way in which media people function as propagandists. He says, basically, that our culture brings us up to follow orders and, in the case of the media, orders come from the interested corporations.

[SoImAGeek]

Andrew Andrew Andrew, the british media is left wing.

[kmarkymark]

is it? lol, sky, telehra[g express

[danny123xvz]

yay chomsky, Marrs a tool,

[DavidUK84]

The simple fact that this guy has been able to spout his nonsense for decades in print and on the airwaves proves his assessment his false.

[mr1001nights]

well, the point is he hasn't. Chomsky has only been interviewed by the mainstream a few times; and always with the intention of ridiculing his views. Compare that the 100s of times that other much less erudite people get invited to programs. His and Ed Herman's analysis in Manufacturing Consent is irrefutable. They have charts and excellent analysis which u can't refute. You seem to be terrified by the idea that you have been deeply indoctrinated by a propaganda system.

[DavidUK84]

Chomsky/Chomsky supporter - "You're indoctrinated"

Non-Chomskite - "No I'm not. I just don;t share your analysis of the world."

Chomsky/Chomsky supporter - "That PROVES you're indoctrinated!"

Its a circular argument.

[mr1001nights]

How are you going to refute, for example, the numerical charts in Manufacturing Consent? 2 + 2 = 4 is not a matter of opinion

[DavidUK84]

Simple. I will point out to you that charts tell you exactly what the person who draws them up wants them to tell you.

[chilled99]

Like on the news right? Remember, just because you yourself may not either think your are affected or are affected it doesn't mean these things don't affect others in a society. You have to look beyond your own experience

[Pilot1Engineer]

Your argument proves you are indoctrinated INDEPTH.

[danny123xvz]

yeah hes really on every news channel regularly haha who has more of a vioce chomsky or o fuckface reily !

[DavidUK84]

Chomsky is a paranoid dreamer. Claiming that "if the press were free 100% of it would agree with me" indicates the sheer scale of the mans arrogance.

Andrew Marr is a good and savvy journalist, and I think he indulges Chomskys paranoia too much in this.

[100057361]

If he had said that, a rational person would inmediately turn to those FACTS on which Chomsky says you should agree with him, and not dismiss them with a slogan like yours. You're saying he should give his OPINION humbly. Well, what if it wasn't at all a matter of OPINION? Is he arrogant because he defends the results to which his impeccable investigations have led him to? I can't see what's wrong with asserting facts. Moreover, Chomsky's always happy to furnish ample evidence

[kolyayo]

that is a sham of an argument;marr's point is that there is diversity in the media and chomsky's view is that there isn't, but the contention is whether there is a reality of diversity, not a reality of some fact.

[tomsega]

I don't think Chomsky is particularly impressive here.. in saying "the better journalists will tell you what I'm saying".

[downformaintenance]

I agree, unsubstantiated claims and pointless little digs - it didn't reveal much other than a chip on Comsky's shoulder (and a shameful inability to press an interviewee in Marr). A wasted opportunity for both and a waste of 10 minutes of my time IMHO. On such a vital topic as well.

...still good for the fans who see every debate as a sort of mini American Wrestling style showdown. "Woohoo, that really validates my world view!" etc... yawn...

[Quietlydoesit]

Pilot1Engineer: I couldn't agree with you more. Noam is a knight in armour. He is noble and brave. How I wish this man was my father.

[Pilot1Engineer]

"I am sure you believe everything you say, but if you believe something different,you wouldn't be sitting where you're sitting" I love it, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT can't be said any better, notice the look at the guys face then, just as if someonce sucked the blood out of this face!!!

[yvonkcaouette]

Faux prêtre...

[satarrant]

Marr you fuckin MUG! You could see the hurt in his face when Chomsky was talking about good journalists, and realised that this was a barbed comment against himself. My mum works as a waitress in knightsbridge (london) and Marr comes in all the time acting the big shot, he won't even look here in the eye and never tips. Thank you chomsky!

[garvess]

At the end of this video I expected to see big bloody letters come across the screen "Finish Him"!

[tooyjfwn]

:-)

It's good to see arrogant self-righteous twits like marr taken down a peg or twelve.

[betomas]

Chomsky runs circles around Marr--particularly around the issue of the lack of news coverage on Iraq's attempt at withdrawal after its initial invasion. Marr got owned by a true intellectual.

[chavdar1925]

happy is he who call him self murderous turk, this is your history you should be ashamed of your self and calling your self turkish, your history is full of genocide, killing, and torturing, I read turkish history found nothing but genocide against armenians, barbaric killing of bulgarians, greeks, cypriots, serbians and kurds

[Staubdumm]

This comment is a typical rascist comment you can find here and there. I am turkish and I oppose my corrupt government. I know that turkish history is as brutal as european one and that this is a characteristic of imperialism. But why do you spread all this hatred against common turks? I mean you are not better than them if you use the same silly arguments turkish rascist do...

[Leibo07]

Prof Chomsky must be a nice man. He's constantly being polite towards Marr and he suppresses his impatience constantly.

Marr behaves like some irritating schoolboy.

[pwrtothepeople]

The founding document of COINTELPRO directed FBI agents to "expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize" the activities of these movements and their leaders. 1956-1971 were broadly targeted against organizations, (such as the Weathermen); militant organizations such as the Black Panther Party, American Indian Movement, non-violent civil rights groups such as Martin Luther King Jr.'s SCLC; and violent groups such as the KKK and American Nazi Party.

[Peralon]

01:12 - 01:22: ten key seconds.

Marr: "How can you know that I'm self-cencoring, how can you know that journalists.."

Chomsky: "I don't say you're self-cencoring. I'm sure you believe everything you say. But what I'm saying is if you believed something different, you wouldn't be sitting where you are sitting."

The point is missed completely by BBC's reporter.

[Huxleyhobbes]

What point? There's nothing profound about what was said there. If I was a different person, I'd do different things. The insight of Aristotle.

[Peralon]

Well,I didn't say he missed that 'profound' point.Only that he d i d miss the point - that which you have understood.(Or acted as if he had missed it,though it's less probable in my view).If,however,by your saying that there is nothing profound in this understanding you mean to say that it's an irrelevant remark by Chomsky(ie. no need to state the obvious) then I think you are quite wrong since he doesn't primarily criticise Marr but the structure in which he participates, perhaps unknowingly.

[Pilot1Engineer]

"I am sure you believe everything you say, but if you believe something different,you wouldn't be sitting where you're sitting" can't be said any better, THIS IS THE SAD TRUTH ABOUT JOURNALISM IN THIS COUNTRY, BRAIN WASHING FROM THE MINUTE YOU ENTER THE SYSTEM.

[mooncooninc83]

Simply put....you can't fuck wit Chomsky.

[bootleg42]

Well put.

[countertreason]

Cointelpro worked against those trying to overthrow the state, the Klu Klux Klan, the American Nazi Party, etc. as well. It worked against the radical left and the radical right. Chomsky, why not just give the whole truth. Why be so goddamn clever and take advantage of the ignorance of your audience... it is so unjust. People who care about their country don't want the FBI exposed because they want it to continue preserving the nation's stability. Really... it has nothing to do with evil power.

[realias]

Though, I would say that it definitely put some extra weight on disrupting those particular activities that were classified as "left-wing", or connected to movements opposing the right-wing governments. That was how the program started, as well as the continued main interest. Along of course with such actions as trying to dissolve Martin Luther King's religious peace movements...

[realias]

...I do think that one's opinion about Cointelpro is dependant on one's political views. A life-saving organization "preserving the nation's stability", or a covert program undermining democratic rights and freedoms using clearly questionable and unjust methods... it's all a matter of definition.

[countertreason]

Rights and freedoms entail responsibilities. What is a nation to do if some of its citizens do not perform their duties of respect to neighbor and nation, yet hide behind rights. Or, as communists do, threaten rights and hide behind them. I say, "FBI, please keep your consciences clear and be quiet about it."

[agricolae101]

But what are they preserving? Chomsky is saying the state is wrong and that the media, (ipsofacto and other tools, like the CIA & FBI, etc) are also proping up a criminal state...you've commented on his other interviews...so you have no excuse not to know the broader context

[Pilot1Engineer]

I don't but u other people might. This should not be as hard as it is. Do you see Chomsky on any main stream media?...

Then most people dp have an execuse

[agricolae101]

I must admit that I've never seen him on any mainstream media - but then, I am from Australia...so he's not so likely to be interviewed on our news

But then, most of both our media outlets are filled with the excapades of Paris Hilton

The great whore distraction!!! Isn't that a point to Noam's argument - we get useless news for distraction?

[countertreason]

Of course I know the broader context. I disregard Chomsky's accusations that the USA is so oppressive. Its laughable. I wouldn't live in the type of state he describes. What kind of maniac is Chomsky, living in such a horrible criminal state. He should leave in protest. He doesn't. He is a liar, barely believes a word he says and I maintain that defending groups who threaten rights and freedoms is damn near criminal.

[agricolae101]

I think, in many quarters there is a perception that 'BIG Government' is oppressive - and to some it is :-/

Ruby Ridge, Waco, etc etc

Besides, lets play devil's advocate - a supporter of terrorism would say America is defending the groups who threaten their rights and freedoms...and therefore it is OK to use ANY MEANS NECESSARY to destroy the power of that enemey.

[agricolae101]

Noam is correct in citing his sources...Indonesia was allowed to rape and murder the people of East Timor, the indonesian government was drinking congratulatory chanmpagne as the invasion was still going on with Australian government ministers, The Saud family too, The USSR to many Poles 1939 - Katynn Forest massacre, etc; Turkey to Armenian Christians in 1915, Augusto Pinochet in Chille, etc etc

[agricolae101]

All done with the OK, and support of America - things are always deeper than what we get told.

Sure there is nothing 'evil' in America :-) But, there is also not much 'good' either

It's a fiction to think one state has all the good and right intention; and people who deviate are WRONG, IMMORAL, or deserve to be Destroyed

[countertreason]

If the US can prevent the USSR from moving into south/central America trade and influence-wise, or can keep middle eastern oil in its trade networks, or can support an ally in WW2, or whatever, it will do 'immoral' things to that end. I do not judge, because I owe my life and safety and all the world's significant progress to western hard-headed assertiveness. If the world won't be like us, we will make them useful to us at the very least.

[countertreason]

The USA, as long as it is the country that you want to live in; as long as it is the nation that best represents who you are; it is the country that you ought to think is normal and ought to be emulated. If peoples are different and incomprehensibly so, they pose a threat to you. That is history. The US controls nations by any means necessary.

[Pilot1Engineer]

Did you recieve your CIA paycheck? If not you should be on your way. Sounds to me you don't believe anything you say, and you are either blinded with ignorance or paid to comment on this forum.

[countertreason]

You are crazy. I am tired of people accusing me of working for an American police agency. I am a fucking Canadian A) and B) I am a goddamn student (just graduating). Shows how fucking ignorant you are. Acting like a guy can't support his country or his country's best friend and ally unless he is a government fucking agent. Gimme a break you naysaying asshole. Die or something.

[QuiqueBA]

of course, the usa is oppresive. you should ask nicaraguan, salvadorians, viet namese and chileans, for example. the thing is that the most repressive economic or social conditions implemented by the american govt. are suffered by third world countries. that is the point. this is not claiming that the american people has never suffered repression at home. read zinns's a people's history. and as for moving out, you shoud think about it.

[QuiqueBA]

...american people have...sorry.

[countertreason]

I moved out at 18 from a good home, pal, to go to Montreal for my education from Vancouver.

What you are too stupid to acknowledge is that history and modern times are full of third world countries and it is only countries like the US or empires like Rome and Greece and Persia that stand out. These shitty countries around the world are common human fighting for scraps, not getting along bullshit. The US meddles as it needs to. However, the west is what is the light and beauty of these ages.

[QuiqueBA]

I'm amaezed at the level of ignorance and irrationality of your reply. I thought you were a little more smart and would answer accordingly. and as for my knowledge of history, I have read and seen enough to realize how world politics are shaped. It's a pitty that you haven't, and I hope you will some day.

[countertreason]

Well atleast you respected me for a moment. You were an idiot from the moment I read you. Prove me wrong. Prove anything I said wrong. Counter argue. Do something. Or, remain as I know you are, absolutely ignorant and too stubborn to admit you have nothing to say.

[gorgonzolaaa]

Well said. Chomsky is self-serving and deceptive. He is upset that uninvolved countries didn't define the Vietnam War as an attack against South Vietnam!? It's like being upset because no one defined WWII as an attack against Axis-controlled France.

[cfotoole]

he's addressed that. check out his debate with william f. buckley.

[gorgonzolaaa]

No, he did not. Buckley exposed him over and over again for being the deceptive and manipulative fool that he was. It's like watching Plato debate an infant.

Try bringing some facts next time.

[cfotoole]

i could say the same to you, chief.

[gorgonzolaaa]

You could, but you would look like a fool. My original statement was a commentary on the video; yours was an unsupported challenge to my commentary.

[phooey108]

@gorgonzolaaa

Except that France was occupied by the Nazis, a foreign power, while South Vietnam had a local insurgency being ruthlessly killed and suppressed by a brutal dictatorship in Saigon, fully supported by the United States. Funny that you should equate Chomsky with deceit, when your own comments are such a egregious example of it.

[gorgonzolaaa]

@phooey108 Except that South Vietnam also didn't want to be occupied by, controlled by, and slaughtered by the North Vietnamese, similar to the French view of German occupation. Way to twist, distort, and join your idol in deceit.

[phooey108]

@gorgonzolaaa

No, you're still a deceitful fraud. The VietCong had an infrastructure consisting of South Vietnamese and NVA regulars which had the sympathy of the local peasantry. That is why the U.S. army carried out procedures like Operation Strategic Hamlet; the Americans knew full well that the VietCong, while backed and controlled by the North, had massive local support in the South, which is why they systematically attacked and terrorized South Vietnamese peasants.

(cont.)

[phooey108]

The Americans were paying the French, a colonial force, massive amounts of money to reinstate themselves in Vietnam, following the fall of the Japanese. When the French fighters pulled out, the Americans then gave full support to the brutal and corrupt Diem regime. Vietnamese scholar Ngo Ving Long estimates that Diem killed tens of thousands during his anti-communist campaigns. The Americans were the epitome of a foreign, colonizing force so your analogy is staggeringly simple minded and false.

[gorgonzolaaa]

@phooey108 Yeah, that's it, Vietnam was a popular South Vietnamese uprising that happened to have a few MIGs handy.

Idiot.

[phooey108]

@gorgonzolaaa

nice of you to totally ignore the facts I brought up and bring up a total non sequitur. We were talking about the Viet Cong, not the North Vietnamese Army. They were not one and the same. The U.S. army didnt engage the NVA in full scale battles until 1965; prior to that they were fighting ill equipped South Vietnamese insurgents, the Viet Cong. the North Vietnamese Air Force didnt actually engage U.S. fighter craft until 1964 and it wasnt supplied with Soviet Migs until 1965.

[gorgonzolaaa]

@phooey108 Way to miss the point.

Firstly, the Vietcong was not entirely South Vietnamese. Secondly, it would have been squashed like a bug if it were not for external participation and external support. That it was a populist movement, is laughable.

[phooey108]

@gorgonzolaaa

The Diem regime would have been overthrown and Vietnam would have been reunified in the mid 1950s if it werent for "external participation and support" of the United States. Even Eisenhower acknowledged that the North would win if the reunification referendum was held. That the brutal, corrupt South Vietnamese regime was a legitimate representation of the majority of the South Vietnamese is laughable. You're just reiterating U.S. State department propaganda.

[phooey108]

@gorgonzolaaa

Anyways, I've had enough of you. You're not interested in the larger context of the Vietnam War or that the U.S., from the 50s right through the early 70s, was crushing a nationalist movement. You're only interested in apologetics and justifications for U.S. actions in Vietnam. For propagandists like yourself, any American intervention is self justifying; the U.S. did it, therefore it was a just cause. The Soviet commisars thought much the same way.

[phooey108]

@countertreason

Talk about false equivalence. The civil rights movements and the feminist movements were not morally or politically comparable to the KKK or Nazi party. Such a deceitful statement.

[countertreason]

@phooey108 Haha, deceitful? A.) what was a a more radical change? White people being racist or black people having rights? Change requires monitoring. Use your senses man, just because its right doesn't mean it can't go wrong. And feminism? Who knows. I'd be surprised if you had any idea what their intentions were. B.) The comparison is of no matter anyways. They monitored groups with power. Not just so-called 'just groups'. This program wasn't 'evil'. Your wasting your time condemning them.

[phooey108]

@countertreason

That's only the half of your deceit. The other half is your false implications that the they only "monitored" groups.

From the Senate report on COINTELPRO: "Many of the techniques used would be intolerable in a democratic society even if all of the targets had been involved in violent activity, but COINTELPRO went far beyond that."

They harassed, coerced, assaulted, bullied, terrorized and even assassinated.

[phooey108]

@countertreason They monitored groups with power. Not just so-called 'just groups'.

Interestingly, your paper thin justification, that they monitored the KKK and Nazi Party is interesting. According to Wiki, only 15% of COINTELPRO resources were spent monitoring White hate groups. The other 85% was directed at leftist or nationalist movements.

[countertreason]

@phooey108 So... ummm... OK! An admission that they did in fact monitor these groups, but one that simultaneously maintains a righteous tone as if you are still correct. Refer to my comment above. Step back and look at the context. All the pieces fit in my world view, what about you? Account for the presence of dark hatred in evil in the United States government while simultaneously accounting for its fundamentally progressive nature. Its world changing liberation efforts. I can. Can you?

[kirkuleaz]

WOW,

theres truly no greater American national treasure that a noble Jew.

[Marly61]

Why have you delinated the greater American as only able to be a Jew?

[GrassAndRocks]

hahahaha the reporter didn't even know what cointelpro was

[jbrownil]

My favorite part is when Chomsky says "I'm sure you believe everything you're saying", which, I think, is the most difficult to grasp for people. Often times the assumption when questioning power, is that it is forcing commands down the hierarchy. In reality, it's much less of that and much more mental training and being "weeded out" as Chomsky has put it. I was a considered a bad kid in school because I just could not subordinate to the system.

[anthowell]

the interesting thing about this is the way that Marr just assumes that because he is a British journalist, he knows more about the British press and that because Chomsky is American, he is likely to be less comfortable discussing a foreign issue.

[702gtzmk]

lol poor andy hes out of his element here, chompsky is bringing the real,

[cartipper2]

tomsega: I think Chomsky is just meeting Marr on his own level of argument, a subjective one. Merr begins with an "I know of..." statement and Chomsky merely responds in kind.

[tomsega]

Chomsky actually puts forward a terrible argument there. Marr says he feels he went into journalism as to challenge the system and authority, Chomsky replies that some of the best investigative journalists he knows disagree. That's like saying, "Yeah, well, me mate Dave knows what he's talking about"

[702gtzmk]

yeah bc that guy is living in lala land

[Nickthetoast]

The US and UK press is perfectly free and open to all opinions- and my beautiful wife Wendi Deng agrees with me on this...

[pghjeff]

Marr got owned!

[lokitoyz]

I'm not a Chomsky reader but the man is thorough in the sense that no detail seems to escape him. I like that. That's the way this world should operate instead I guess it's just easier to make blanket statements about someone, thing, country and just bomb it with absolute detatchment.

[letigre937]

he's sexy ; )

[purrfectpersian]

get a life

go and look at a porno website

[passionaria]

Poor, poor marr ;) he has no chance, hehe

[aross1971]

your way out of your depth here mr marr!!!

[anthowell]

I love the way Marr assumes he knows more about the British media than Chomsky just because he is British. Sorry Andy, you're out of your dept here.

[boychildnew]

thanks antymperio - but its not that i think. most of the top people in the British government now are Scottish! PM Tony Blair was born in Scotland to a Scottish mother i think. the new leader, Brown, is also Scottish.Calling the UK just 'England' is a bad habit that people, especially Americans, have picked up. Its probably based on the past in which ENGLAND was the dominant power and incorporated the other smaller Celtic nations. But we should be saying 'the UK' or 'Britain'.

[boychildnew]

I admire Chomsky and learn a lot from his ides - but one thing he does amazes me, in a negative way. He always refers to the UK as 'England'. England is only part of the UK, which is also Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. For such an educated person, and a specialist in words at that, such 'linguistic racism' is odd. Great way to discount 10 million Celtic British! Seriously, the guy he very impressive, but please, Noam, say 'the UK' from now on!

[antymperio]

It's diplomatic way to say that England is the desition maker on the conflicts

[theloniouz]

Never the biggest Chomsky supporter - but man is he impressive in argument. He just is never phased by Marr's arguments and always hits the nail precisely on the head in his facts and responses. Marr even resorts to personal testimony which Chomsky again refutes so calmly.

[mjd1982]

No doubt one of the best and most importanr videos on youtube.

Everyone read "Manufacturing Consent" for this in more detail.

[BCVChannel1]

Just watching CNN already prove how true the points of Chomsky are. For example embedding journalist during the Ira attack means that the media continue to broadcast, that ever the is, while the military can effectively manipulate what will be shown.

[astrixx]

Regarding COINTELPRO:

"The program was secret until 1971, when an FBI field office in Media, PA was burglarized by a group of left-wing radicals calling themselves the Citizens' Commission to Investigate the FBI. Several dossiers of files were taken and the information passed to news agencies, many of which initially refused to publish the information."

Now tell me that there is a free press. The press itself refused to publish this!

[astrixx]

Notice how the journalist gets really angry when he is told he is to some extent, "conditioned". That isn't necessarily a bad thing. We are all conditioned to not walk around naked in public and taught about politeness, etc. The thing is, there is good conditioning and bad conditioning. Our task is to find out how we come to assume bad conditioning and how it is implanted in us. Then we take steps to remedy it. I think thats the crux of Chomsky's argument in this segment.

[amarbleinspace]

a genius is someone who comes up with an amazing new invention or something

[AntonBatey]

Unbelievable that most people don't know what COINTELPRO is.

[coahuiltejano]

very nice analysis of the video...nice..I like the Santa Claus analogy

[zornfizza2]

I use an identical analogy to describe how I felt reading Noam's "Prospects For Peace In The Middle East" - just before 9/11.

[Telcontar1962]

Andrew Marr is an interesting choice for debating on the "freedom of press"...If my recollections are correct he was a labour supporter who was the Political Editor of the BBC...how compromised a position was that?

[leninology]

"He [Blair] said that they would be able to take Baghdad without a bloodbath, and that in the end the Iraqis would be celebrating. And on both of those points he has been proved conclusively right. And it would be entirely ungracious, even for his critics, not to acknowledge that tonight he stands as a larger man and a stronger prime minister as a result." (Marr, BBC 1, News At Ten, April 9, 2003)

[Telcontar1962]

Just about says its all.

After the Hutton Report I can't imagine the attack sustained against the BBC wouldn't have been vigourously defended by its own journalist staff. With people like AM in the fold meekly rolling over was about all that could be expected...short of putting Gilligan in front of a firing squad for telling the truth ppl like AM must have thought the Beeb did a fine job on itself.

[Dharmaserf]

andrew marr is tarded... like other hacks (see Jon Stewart on Crossfire) he is missing the point. It's nice how narcissistic megalomania and self-serving back-patting about the media can cloud one's judgement. I don't agree with Chomsky on everything, but most of what he says is right on the money.

[rgunnars]

When did this interview take place?

[leninology]

Took place around 1996, I think.

[aaron343432]

He's a genius.

[siadbarrbar]

cointelpro and the police force at a national level fbi..chomsky makes such a great point and great example of the propaganda model

[metavoice]

What I like about Chomsky is his range and his ability to remember subtleties that are often ignored. For me he is the consummate public. intellectual.

[rexspe]

Absolutley, if everyone remembered, or more importantly even knew these subtleties, there would be outrage. It's amazing how commonly accessable data is ignored by the American people because most of us won't research issues and think for ourselves.