The Harmony of Interests by Henry C Carey

[v1c3r0y100]

I found a PDF on archive.org but its not the best scan. Still readable, IMO...

[Amiduffer]

@MrNotyag Carey's influence was world-wide, which is why Marx attacked him.

[fistofthenorthstar89]

CAREY!!!!!

[ElQuintoRegimiento]

Morality has nothing to do with it. Planned economies are simply more rational and productive than anarchic ones. The reason planned economies failed in the 20th C. was that they were not democratically controlled and organized.

[Amiduffer]

@ElQuintoRegimiento Let's avoid using the Adam Smith/Shumpeter/Mandeville/Mar­x/Hayek dogma to determine the definition of an economy. After all, they start from the immoral standpoint that humans are just animals with no cognitive abilities. After all, more people died in Russia in the post Soviet "free market" system than under Stalin.

[sgentlemanjack112]

shorten what you quote. you lose the average guy ----> note  kbwalk3 "By adopting the 'free trade,' or British, system, we place ourselves side by side with the men who have ruined Ireland and India, and are now poisoning and enslaving the Chinese people." "By adopting the other trade, we place ourselves by the side of those whose measures tend not only to the improvement of their own subjects, but to the emancipation of the slave everywhere."

[sgentlemanjack112]

"It the British System is the most gigantic system of slavery the world has yet seen, and therefore it is that freedom gradually disappears from every country over which England is enabled to obtain control."

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ALL of this is our past, and our herataige, and the history of America.

Our former president Andrew Jackson has written on his headstone

"I killed the Banks"

--which he did, for a while.

[Amiduffer]

@sgentlemanjack112 Being average these days is rather deadly. Jackson, another British puppet like Bush and Obama.

[sgentlemanjack112]

@Amiduffer not so sure about that. Andrew Jackson destroyed the Private Federal Reserve. Of course, another was created later in history

[Amiduffer]

@sgentlemanjack112 Hamiltons National Bank worked on a different principle than the British controlled "Federal" Reserve. You're mixing apples and oranges.

[a1scam]

@Amiduffer Henry C. Carey I believe & thank you for this presentation. Here, there is a problem: are you implying that any of the three US private central banks has ever done anything good for the country?

[Amiduffer]

@a1scam Don't confuse European modeled central banking with what Hamilton, Lincoln, and FDR did. Opposite principles don't you know. National banking, combined with internal improvements (infrastructure), and protective tariffs built this nation, and any other that adopted it.

[a1scam]

@Amiduffer Well I can see the INFRASTRUCTURE and the PROTECTIVE TARIFFS. Regarding the 3 US private central banks, I'm obviously confused. I have no references where any of them actually did anything except enrich their shareholders. Can you point me to anything good that the (First) Bank of the United States (1791-1811), Second Bank of the United States (1816-1841), or the Fed (1913-...) have done for the USA? My reading skills are bad but present; I apologize. But I'm good at YouTube. ???

[Amiduffer]

@a1scam I'm planning to read some quotes from president McKinley on this issue. You have to read Hamilton's three reports to Congress though. There's no way around it. The Fed was the creation of London bankers. The first two National Banks were Congressionaly chartered, plus Lincolns use of greenbacks, and FDR's use of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation worked similarly as credit for infrastructure and industrial progress.

[Salvysahagun]

@Amiduffer

Jackson was a War of 1812 vetran?

Are you sure he was a british puppet?

[Amiduffer]

@Salvysahagun It does seem paradoxical that 16 years later he would be acting on behalf of the financial interests he was fighting earlier.

[Salvysahagun]

@Amiduffer

On Amazon.com they misspell Henry C Careys last name. and they don't offer any edited versions. Just a scan of his works that are cheapley bounded together. Same with the Report on Manufactures.

The publishing Oligarchs don't want us rediscover what works.

[Amiduffer]

@Salvysahagun It doesn't help that he's been written out of the history books, but, pissing off the British Empire tends to make that happen to historical individuals. Look how they still feel the need to keep slandering FDR or Lincoln.

[Salvysahagun]

@Amiduffer

Well they like to portray FDR as MoveOn.org icon. I'm not a HUGE FDR fan. I think he's a little over rated but is still an ACTUAL president. I'd much rather have FDR like Democrats then the Marxist like ones today.

I would prefer Mckinley/Lincoln type Republicans and Roosevelt/Kennedy type Democrats.

Our two sides of politics are BOTH idiotic

[Amiduffer]

@Salvysahagun What lying SOB in MoveOn is making an insane comparison like that?? I agree that Baby Boomers in general have completely f*cked up both parties.

[Salvysahagun]

@Amiduffer You realize the progressive movement allys views FDR as thier icon?

[Amiduffer]

@Salvysahag Considering that their main funding comes from a Nazi collaborator like George Soros, a guy who typifies international predatory finance, I don't put much stock in those guys or their fake image.

[Salvysahagun]

@Amiduffer

Ya I can't stand "progressives". They attack the Koch bros but most of there private funders come from Wall Street firms. Its amazing how easily boomers are fooled!

[Salvysahagun]

@Amiduffer

Google Books won't let me download a PDF, and to do so from the "Library of Congress"

I have to be a student of Faculty of a Top Tier University!

[kbwalk3]

That stuff doesn't even make sense.

[Amiduffer]

@kbwalk3 Yes it does.

[a1scam]

Great stuff. Thanks. --- 1851 ---

[Sqaaak]

Typo! ....

I read recently that Carey was held in deep respect and high esteem among ...

[Sqaaak]

Henry C. Carey was absolutely right, & remains absolutely right to this day, and and will remain so forever. He has identified and correctly analyzed the infinitely diverging of the two implacably opposed systems of, on the one hand, empire — as represented, today, by the London-centered, global, parasitic imperial free-trade oligarchy — and on the other, the principle of true republic, as represented by the constitutional, and national sovereignty of the United States. Thank you, Amiduffer!

[Amiduffer]

Now, can we get this taught in the schools? Aye! There's the rub!

[Sqaaak]

It should be reinstated as part of the regular curriculum, cross-referenced in any class to do with History in general, U.S. History in particular, Civics, Economics, Philosophy, Science ... Henry C. Carey's name should as be well-known to every Citizen as those of Abraham Lincoln and Franklin Delano Roosevelt. I read recently that Carey was held in deep respect and hugh esteem among a certain educated segment of the people, including the institutions of the presidency, even up to the late 60s!

[Amiduffer]

I recently read a biography of Mathew Carey that was produced during the New Deal period, when they were hiring people to do research work, so yes, that World War 2 generation had a sense of it.

[Sqaaak]

Yes; certainly the critical individuals within the FDR administrations were fully aware of the principle underlying the American system of physical (or political) economy. Harry Hopkins, Frances Perkins, and most certainly Henry Wallace, as well as a great number of Citizens, both within the government and outside, must have been familiar with both Careys! I have not yet studied all of this in depth, but it appears that the generation who grew up during the GD and WWII were familiar, too.

[almartin77]

Free trade is not free when it involves the harm of others against their will through deceit and deception. My rights come from a higher power than government. Taxes are the tool of tyrants. Free trade? Tax= yoke. Yoke= slavery.

Americans wouldn't know freedom if it bit them on the butt.

[Amiduffer]

In other words, like Scrooge, you wish to live in a modern society, but REFUSE to contribute. Way to go Ebeneezer. I guess the local firemen should refuse to help you, just because you don't want to pay taxes.

[fergus247]

War gave us the radio, war gave us so much innovative techonoly. And you dont think the simple quest for money will be able to?

[fergus247]

You have to realize that man is greedy. If progress of mankind dont serve anything but progress of mankind you wont have any.

[Amiduffer]

How do you "realize" that man is greedy? Do feel comfortable with condemning the entire human race despite all those who sacrificed to create a future without regard to what they were going to get out of it? Does this mean that you are accusing me of being greedy?

[fergus247]

All i know is i wont get anything for free from you, no sane person would do anything unless he gets something out of it. Money, Feeling of well being, whatever.

Does this seem harsh to you?

[Amiduffer]

Its pretty typical of the deluded state of thinking these days. Paradoxically, this 40 year obsession with money is causing the greatest amount of poverty ever seen.

[fergus247]

Its not as much obsession with money, but obsession with power. Those in control seek to maintain and grow it.

The problem is that capitalism and free trade gets the blame for our troubles, when it is the excact oppesite that is causing it.

[JohnHolmes3000]

"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"--Patrick Henry

"Liberty and union, one and inseparable, now and forever."--Daniel Webster.

[jdcremin]

Glad I found your channel - this info fits with my new theory of the world - global monopolies brought about by "free trade".

[Amiduffer]

Free Trade was written explicitly for the purposes of looting and stealing. The East India Co Hailybury school is where the entire "Classical School" of econ comes out of. A doctrine written on how to most efficiently steal!

[jdcremin]

Could you reccommend a good book/s on the subject?

[neutralsandwichface]

not odd at all, your video was dull. I was just mocking your pretence of being 'intellectual.' Stop copying my phrases like you copy other people's philosophy you impotent jiz cock

[Amiduffer]

For a cynic who is too lazy to even attempt at making a video, much less make one on a difficult subject, your nasty comments just make you look infantile. You really should grow up because the economy is in a crisis and idiotic statements are not needed.

[neutralsandwichface]

yawn. being on youtube carries no obligation to make videos so your comment is meaningless. I'm not too lazy just have better thing to do rather than talking down to people from a large bookshelf. I don't like being patronised and that's what this reeks of.

[Amiduffer]

For a person who has no indication of any intellect whatsoever, your comments are meaningless.

[neutralsandwichface]

sitting in front of a large collection of books by dead men does not make you look clever.

[Amiduffer]

Some of the authors are still alive and a few are female. So therefore, you are a fool. Your attempt at being clever was a failure.

[neutralsandwichface]

Odd how you can only respond to the wording of my post rather than the actual content which is clearly true. I will re-word it for your small mind-

sitting in front of a large collection of books does not make you look clever.

[Amiduffer]

Odd how you didn't respond to the content of what I'm reading, and just made cynical comments about where I'm reading it. Small minded cynic.

[verymaddog]

It's not about economics, but freedom.

[AdamGCox]

While the British Empire no longer exists as a legal territorial empire, it exists in fact in the post-colonial organization of countries having no power to determine their own economies' destinies. Further, it exists as the intentional self-destruction of the U.S.A through modern day Malthusians such as Al Gore. The great accomplishment of the British Empire was they were forced to step down but they had an influence on academics to the point where we are force-fed Smith (Carey not taught).

[Amiduffer]

Yes, notice defense of "the Market" today in the food crisis, is the same as the Irish famine and genocide in India, both of which Carey attacked the Brits for with good reason.

[JerTheAraluan]

Rock on, my friend. Nice to see that someone's finally making the connection between today's free trade controversy and the whig vs. democrat turmoil back in the 19th century. Classical liberalism sucks.

[Panpiper]

The protectionism of a single good certainly advantages the workers whose job it is to produce that good. It disadvantages however the whole of the nation by making the cost of that good higher for everyone else. When protectionism is global, 'protecting' all goods and services, the cost of everything is higher and everyone is disadvantaged. Society looses far more than it gains.

[Amiduffer]

Thats a nice theory, but I don't see your opinion playing out in the real world. It should be the right of all nations to be able to provide a decent living standard to its population, and no "law" exists in the universe that says the "markets" have exclusive control over an economy.

[Jimisonjons]

Great video!

[Amiduffer]

Thank you. How did you find it? Its a rather esoteric subject for YouTube. 8)

[Amiduffer]

I know thats the standard lie thats put in textbooks in order to terrify people, but it doesn't have much of a basis in economics or what was going on at the time. The reason the US pushes free trade is because we have to steal from weaker countries.

[wikichris]

Please give a specific example of this theft. It's difficult to know what you mean by theft from a weaker country.

[Amiduffer]

"Whichever of your ministers recommends a policy which takes raw materials out of a colonial country, but which returns nothing to the people of the that country in consideration. Twentieth-century methods involve bringing industry to these colonies. Twentieth-century methods include increasing the standard of living, by educating them, by bringing them sanitation--by making sure that they get a return for the raw wealth of their community..." FDR to Winston Churchill

[wikichris]

Well that's a bit obvious. Theft is theft. "Thou shall not steal" is an easier way of expressing all that. What does that have to do with free trade?

[Amiduffer]

Everything. Free trade was written for the issue of monopolizing theft by private financial oligarchs.

[wikichris]

Everything? Please give a specific example of how free trade is theft. Saying "everything" is not debating! So hard to debate people like you. I don't care what some twisted imperialist form of free trade had to do with monopolies - we're talking true free trade here (no tariffs or subsidies - easy).

[Amiduffer]

Simple: British Empire = Free Trade = looting of colonies. Don't tell me you're completely ignorant of your countries history. Remember, "The Sun Never Sets On The British Empire" stuff like that?

[wikichris]

So, you're criticing the former British Empire. I agree with you - the empire was a disgusting show of force. As a libertarian I could never condone that kind of force. Who supports imperialism these days? Yes, there are American imperialists but Milton Friedman CERTAINLY wasn't one. Question, in your eyes is imperialism = economic liberalism?

[Amiduffer]

Listen to what Carey is saying about the difference between the American system and the British system first before you use the slogans.

[davidmesaaz]

If high tariffs are beneficial to a society why did the smoot harley act essentially cripple the economy.

What you need to remember is when the US pushes free trade its not the classical economics its called neo-liberalism for a reason. NAFTA the tariffs are not brought down immediately but over the course of several years sometimes decades to harmonize the interests of the individuals.

[Amiduffer]

During the time Carey was active, the British empire was waging economic warfare against us (although they never really stopped), and other covert means of reducing our nation back to a simple raw material exporting colony. Free trade was written for the purpose of DESTROYING France and the USA. Thats why Carey is comparing the American system and the British "system".

[Amiduffer]

What does moral economic policies have to do with waving guns? Periods of unregulated free trade always create conditions of rampant speculation and collapse, requiring dictatorship to enforce austerity to bail out the speculators. That and the mass poverty that results denies "individuality and free association". Listen carefully to what Carey is saying. Don't have such a knee-jerk reaction to a word.

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

Dude, don't assume I'm having a "knee-jerk reaction" to a word just because I call you out on the real implications of what you're saying. If you don't support free trade, you're saying that you need a state to wave a gun in my face to prevent it. There's nothing even resembling morality in that position. Period. If you want to claim ownership of other individuals, fine. Have at it. But don't cloak protectionism in "morality." That's pathetic.

[Jimisonjons]

LibertyIsNotGiven, what is your opinion on Social Anarchism?

[Amiduffer]

His opinion isn't worth much of anything.

[LibertyIsNotGiven]

So basically you're pining for protectionism, which requires a state, which requires you to wave a gun in my face, which denies individuality and free association. Is that your "moral standpoint?"