Ma quant'è ingolato Kaufmann? Tremendo...Kaufmann sounds incredibly throaty here, it's hardly tolerable! Even Domingo would sound much better, and that says everything! :P Hvorostovsky may not be the ideal baritone for this, but he sound much better tha JK. I'll have to listen to some Gigli to heal my wounded ears!
I think the truth is that everyone wants to sing too loud...Kaufmann exagerates and sings too much in the throat, losing his resonance. If he continues in this way, he might develop a wooble in no time. It should be a pity because he is so gifted.
@legoledinapata And your sarcasm is ill-placed. And if you want to be sophomoric and embarrassing try it in English for once, so everyone else can understand you. Oh, wait, you probably are some self-absorbed oaf who doesn't speak any other language besides his own. You moronic douchebag sure make me embarrassed to have the same native tongue as you. Why don't you just save the time to comment and simply move on to something you enjoy? Shouldn't be too difficult. Regards.
IGUALES QUE MARIO DEL MONACO.-ETTORE BASTIANINI, O FRANCO CORELLI-ETTORE BASTIANINI,,,,,,,,, QUE PENA QUE VERDI NO SE PUEDA YA QUE ESCUCHAR EN DIRECTO CON ESTOS PSEUDO CANTANTE DE AHORA .
@Babywinona Everybody has their favourite singers, but to say that DH is bad because he doesn't sound EXACTLY like Bastianini? Come on, I'll take DH's Il Balen over Bastianini's any time. Beautiful voice + modern approach to the role. "Pseudo-singers"? Are you kidding? I LOVE this "old singers were gods, nowadays they're lousy" approach. Go and listen to the old recordings, but first, please, TURN OFF YOUR DAMN CAPS LOCK!
@frufruJ The difference between DH and Bastianini is that Bastianini didn't need a microphone. Kaufmann can really sing and doesn't need the microphone. DH's voice is artificial, squeezed and he's pretentious. It is an absolute joke to compare him to Bastianini. There are some (very few) very good baritones out there, who I've heard at the Met, who have reminded me of Bastinianini, e. g. Adrzei Dobber but not this guy...not even close...it's simple acoustics, but I'm guessing you were joking...
@frufruJ The Dobber thing is my opinion. I think he's great. The rest I wrote is just pysics. DH's voice simply doesn't carry enough for Verdi...It's the technique or the voice is too light or both...Sorry, but these are facts...simple physics...
@mahsef DH's voics is his voice .Just like EB's voice was his. Im sure EB would respect DH and his ability as a singer and artist. And not condem him as you have. Time passes, EB has been dead for many years.
Are you kidding me?? Kaufmann has a TENOR tesiture, he is artificially darkening his voice with a baritone impostation, that's why he sound so struggled, Dmitri = 100% baritone, he is one of the greatest baritones ever.
@MetagothSlayer So, then please explain to me why you can't hear DH in the theater at all...at all...all you see is his face turn red and no sound coming out? Why is that? I doubt that this happens because he's so great...And why is it that Kaufmann is so stable in everything he sings, no cracking, not turning red of the face and most of all, he is audible in all the repertoire from Mozart to Wagner...in every opera house...
I have heard Dmitri in live myself, and trust me, his voice makes your body tremble. Kaufmann stable?? The only thing I hear in kaufmann is a tenor pretending to have a dark voice, an horrible struggled sound, i wonder if you have ever listened to the "old" kaufmann, that was his correct impostation... btw sorry for the bad english.
@MetagothSlayer But he's inaudible live especially in Verdi - his technique is not good. I've witnessed it many times, it's an acoustical fact, sorry... I heard the young JK, when his larynx was higher. If he would have gone on singing like that he wouldn't be singing anymore. I don't like fake dark voices either, they are a product of an artificial depressed tongue and the words become unclear. But he sings with a low larynx, which is good, his tongue is free, so his diction is really good...
@MetagothSlayer I'm sorry, if you're his friend. He's probably a nice guy and has a pretty voice...but the technique is not good enough for Verdi...and the way you write I doubt seriously that you know anything more about the the opera world than I do. I just hope that you're not a voice teacher....Then again talented singers overcome bad voice teachers all the time...Jonas Kaufmann did and he found someone to let him sing with his own voice and not make him sound like a cheap imitation tenor...
@MetagothSlayer Sorry, you're the one on the wrong path and time and history and all the books written (for example Garcia) and also medical facts are proving me right. I understand where your wrong ideas come from. You hear singers like Pavarotti or Kraus and you like it (so do I) and then you think if someone like Kaufmann sang like them he would sound like them. In truth he sings like them but sounds darker because his voice is not as brililiant, but darker from nature...voices are different!
Medical facts? come on lol. Wrong ideas? im talking about technique, i understand there are different ones (italian, germanian, etc), but the tesiture is something we natural have and we can't change it, so we must train our voice in order of that, and kauffman doesn't have a dark voice, he only is struggling it to pretending have a dark sound
@Pawelp Corelli sounded good as a grandpa? I believe he lost his voice when he was not even close to being a grandpa... he rather was a 50 year old who sounded like a grandpa. Hope you are well. Cheers.
@AfroPoli I agree he got the old man's voice rather "Early" but there was something like that already in the timbre, plus he was a bundle of nerves. In his concerts even in 1972 one can hardly justify "lost"? Greetings.
@Rodolpho262 Ever damaging...hilarious...both Corelli and also now Kaufmann enjoyed very long careers and Kaufmann is getting better all the time. A high larynx is what damages voices, never ever a low larynx. Corelli's voice was just a little brighter and more Italianate. Please don't write these stupid things, you get young singers confused. Just that can do serious damage. So please in the name of art, keep your strange opinions to yourself!!!!!!
@mahsef DUHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Ok, I should never have said that Corelli used a bad technique. After studying Corelli's I realized that Kaufman's is soo not like Corelli's. Corelli said that he balanced the larynx. He did not always hook it down. But Kaufman is so extraordinarily stupid that he slams his adam's apple down to his stomach and then expects people to say "Oh, what a lovely deep voice. " In reality, he sounds reminiscent to a cow mooing. A sick cow at that. He USED to sound good, long ago
@Rodolpho262 Listen to young Kaufman. You will hear a beautiful and well-balanced tenor sound. His speaking voice is also very light, and of course that means his singing voice is just a little darker.
@Rodolpho262 If the guy is anything, he's not stupid. And once again, he's been singing for so long, his diction is always right on, his middle sounds beautiful and his high notes are so secure. Have you heard him sing Florestan, noone sings that with such ease as he does. So his sound is not as briliant as Pavarotti's or Kraus' it's a different voice...If he can be musical, have good diction, and be secure in the top, and be singing for so long how can that be wrong??? Also his voice carries...
@rexeterna: I join the opinion of Yngland gaps at. No one forces you to listen to these singers. I really hope very much for you that you're perfect. But I doubt it very much. And why do you ask such frufruJ to task? Are you a senior teacher? Then of course a statement. Poor students!
Thanks for uploading this interesting video. I like Hvorostovsky very much, beautiful timbre. Kaufmann is too baritonal for my taste, there is almost no difference between the two voices. His low notes are superb, but the upper register is a little strained and different sounding, not so impressive.
Never mind the beautiful voices and sensitive interpretations, these two singers have enough charissma to fill any opera house in the world! May they live forever! Fidelio
@marokt on vit avec les vivants aussi.... bien que corelli etait merveilleux mais il n est plus crreras c est fini jose cura avez vous entendu cette annee sa voix?kaufmann .. villazon.. florez ...voila les trois nouveaux tenors
frufruJ, thanks for uploading this video and the other videos of these two "HUNKS".... THEY ARE GREAT SINGERS. AND YES, People should learn to accept new singers :-)
or muoio tranquillo e stringo il cor mio,dal dolore immenso... é finita,siamo nel 21 secolo dove regnano l'odio,la mediocritá e l'ignoranza ,me ne vado da questo mondo con piacere,un mondo dove non c'é posto per l'amore e l'amicizia me non mi interessa.Che cosa é la musica lirica?Al giorno d'oggi sono poche persone che possono dare la risposta giusta...é finita.
@bodiloto : non ti deprimere così carissimo amico, sono sicuro che molto presto arriveranno tempi di gran lunga migliori anche per la lirica. E poi tu sei pieno di amici che ti stimano e ti ammirano moltissimo ( tra cui io certamente ) e hai dedicato tutta la tua vita alla lirica e all'opera ; se la grande GHENA DIMITROVA ti sentisse parlare così di certo sarebbe molto dispiaciuta per te. Rallegrati che anche la lirica presto rinascerà ! Se trovo qualche bel video te lo invio subito !!!
@tomhumphreys92 Thanks for your support. A friend of mine was there, as well as having seen him at ROH and Vienna, and she said that the voice did appear huge, but it was due to the size of the hall. His voice is indeed capable of some impressive volume when the drama requires, but he's not one of those singers who can only sing forte or fortissimo (which I find annoying :-) )
@bodiloto You sang for 50 years, but why aren't you as famous as him? Because he's a terrible singer and everybody loves terrible singers, in your opinion?
@bodiloto Yeah, I know nothing about singing, just like 99% of people around opera, I'm just desperately in love with DH so that I don't hear how terribly he sings. Thank you for opening my eyes.
Maybe you could save his career by offering your teaching services to him, I'm sure he'll be glad. Also you should write to all music magazines and opera houses, somehow *nobody* there - critics, singers, conductors - seems to understand what a dilettante DH is. Thank you for your effort on YT.
@bodiloto I defend the videos that I've uploaded, because by saying that they're bad, you're not only putting me, the uploader, in a situation of having exposed the artist to unfair criticism, but also offending my taste. (besides that I just hate plain criticism, everybody can do that) I also have other videos, not just DH, and I'll defend them just as much - some of them even more. So please, cut this love crap short.
@bodiloto Silence doesn't have to be ignorance. We have a saying, if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. There is a balanced criticism, saying all good and bad, and imbalanced, unhealthy and foul criticism. You chose the latter.
@bodiloto One last time, DH doesn't have a huge voice, but not small. But obviously, the only criterion of a good singer that you accept is the size. Good for you, keep listening to the loud ones, and let us listen to the beautiful ones. Best regards.
@bodiloto This discussion is pointless. You'll never accept new singers, you just for some reason spend your time arguing on YT. You don't like them, don't listen to them. And stay off of my videos. Ciao.
@frufruJ A Parigi hó piu di 100 amici tutti sono giovani e sono cantanti lirici.Come vede accetto i givani cantanti,e come!Mi conosce poco,tanto meglio per lei...Grazie per la sua generositá,e ovvio che é una donna innamorata,brava!Con rispetto,il vecchio.
@frufruJ I'm not a die-hard fan of DH (I don't particularly like his Mozart, for instance), but I think he's a very good singer and I respect him. The same for JK. That guy wastes his time bashing the singers he doesn't like and mocking their fans. Really unpolite. He says he's deaf from 1980, how can he judge JK or DH? He says also that he had his nose broken, that he lose his teeth and has cabbage-like ears. Maybe this is the reason why he is so acid, poor man.
@bodiloto Oh, yeah, and I'm also in love with DiDonato, Garanča, Bartoli, Fleming and others, otherwise I wouldn't listen to them, according to bodiloto. Stop patronizing.
What I wanna say is that he's such a powerful voice and I'd appreciate istening he singing in the future, he is young but already sounds as if he was 50 years old....., he struggled to sing the high register, it's painful to watch
It's not Don Carlo's duet, it's Forza Del Destino......
Kaufmann has been adressed as one of the best tenors of this generation, but nothing he sings is really good, I like his baritone sound but not his interpretation, he'll end just like Placido - prematurally old (what a shame)
@veranista Of course it's La Forza, it's the duet of Don Alvaro and Don Carlo, as it states in the title. Also, can you please specify in what way is Placido Domingo "prematurely old" at the age of 69?
I never understand why people take possession over someone else's voice. If he's a baritone, singing as a tenor, that's up to HIM and his people. If he does himself harm, that's on him, NOT anyone else else. If he sounds great, and gives the public something, then for the love of God, ENJOY IT and hush!
he is not a baritone, he has the passagio in f-g, like all tenors, he sounds dark cause all voice is in the through, ingolata, except vocal "i", that sounds tenor, cause in that vocal allways sounds the real voice..pitty, it would be more beatifull a free voice, but today only counts that he is handsome..
he is not a baritone, he has the passagio in f-g, like all tenors, he sounds dark cause all voice is in the through, ingolata, except vocal "i", that sounds tenor, cause in that vocal allways sounds the real voice..pitty, it would be more beatifull a free voice, but today only counts that he is handsome..
i don't think he is a bariton, cause in the only vocal he can not sing "ingolato" so in the through, as he does all the time, so the vocal "i", he sound like his real voice, a tenor, and he has "passagio" voice in f-g, like all tenors...pity cause a free voice would sound a lot more beatifull, but it only matters that he his handsome in our days..
Handsome?... Handsome is Keanu Reeve, Brad Pete, Gerard Butler, Hugh Jackman. Kaufmann is just normal good looking guy but I wouldn´t say handsome... especially with those teeth.
If this isn't a perfect demonstration that Kaufman is really a lyric baritone I just... I just don't know what to say anymore... He's a baritone... A baritone... They both sound wonderful but it's hard to get past the fact that Kaufman is really a baritone being marketed as something he's c-l-e-a-r-l-y not.... A spinto tenor still sounds like a tenor, and covers on E or F, not Bb or C (which is almost a fifth below). Hope that doesn't count as whining... I despise the whiners as well...
@NathanaelSaintCyr Actually, there's more to the tenor-baritone thing. Have you seen Domingo's Boccanegra? He's great, but he remains a tenor. There's a tenor "ping" in Kaufmann's voice, even though I agree that he seems as if somewhere "between".
they are both wonderful, and at first, if you close your eyes, it is hard to know it is Kaufmann(tenor singing) his sound is so wonderfully dark and full..
@kgarmaker123 Yeah... agree God forbid a tenor actually sings with both dark and bright overtones... it's enough to start a world war on here! lol I love JK. Not everyone's taste... but then again, I hate nasal, over protective tenors who can't manage a sound beyond precious. And Dimi... man... what a stud.
frufruJ noted, " I didn't spend the time cutting and uploading the concert to give people a cause to whine, I did it to bring some happiness to them." I think you deserve appreciation, and I thank you. This clip brought up happiness.
You "must" hear this? I didn't force you. If you don't like it, fine. Why so many exclamation marks? Have you been celebrating the New Year too early? How many better singers do you know? Is 100% today's singers "awful"? Then I guess you should consider commiting a suicide, because living among a society composed of incapable singers is clearly too much for you. Go meet Björling and stop spamming my videos.
of course they are. here, kaufmann is bad, hvorostovsky is worse. both have the capacity to sing well, but they don't do it here. frufru is essentially the Grand Inquisitor, though, and no criticism is ever acceptable to him. if hvorostovsky killed someone, frufru would still defend him and say the problem is with the victim...
I'm open to discussion. Be specific instead of mindless criticising, which seems to be a matter of a few individuals on YT. 99% people can't seem to understand why Kaufmann and Hvorostovsky are so bad, so please, do enlighten us!
frufru, you have a very short memory. I gave you a specific criticism: neither Hvorostovsky can consistently roll their r's, they turn "core" into "corre" (a totally different word), "mistero" into "misterro," "giuro" into "giurro." THIS IS BASIC ITALIAN WHICH YOU LEARN IN YOUR FIRST YEAR AS A SINGER. that is a specific criticism. what is your response?
I must have a memory loss, I don't recall you giving this specific criticism on any of my videos (even though you did criticize Kaufmann here for his Italian).
I'm not arguing here. I'm a phonetician by education, and of course it's a mystery for my why some people don't articulate what is so obvious for me. They just don't. Be it Italian, French, Russian or Czech. I'm not defending. It's just a fact that if I should condemn every Rusalka for poor Czech... heh. Take it or leave it.
Scusi : It is not only a problem of correct articulation, it is a basically general technical problem.
They are singing with a lump in the throat, with constrained voices.
Italian: ingolata
german: knödeln
A person named frufru capisce un cazzo di queste problemi.
It is horrible for the public to hear them, when there are connoisseurs and for the singers its fatally for the vocal cords. Their appoggio is wrong,and tends to result the damage of their voices.
Unfortunately. I wish I had their numbers! But certainly you, with your vast knowledge of the subject, are at least a professor, so it should not be a problem for you to contact famous singers.
You Tube certainly seems to be some sort of home for vocal experts and voice coaches etc.. I am surprised that they have time to comment here ....with all those students clammering for their time and expertise!!!
The phrase that comes to mind is a little crude for a channel devoted to the uplifting art of singing.....a four letter expletive preceding the word "them".
Keep the clips coming frufruJ. Us regular guys enjoy them!!
Thanks for your comment, very very much. Sometimes I have a feeling that I am the only person in the world who thinks that people like Hvorostovsky and Kaufmann are wonderful.
Hvorostovsky has no more persuasive advocate than frufruj but you are certainly not alone in your admiration of his considerable talent. The world first saw this genius in the Cardiff competion and he has never failed to live upto that promise of greatness.
As always, the public are right and the self appointed critics and arbitors of vocal rectitude are wrong. The box office is never wrong!!
Keep up the good work....I have just seen the Trovatore duet with Fleming........wonderful!!!
Thank you. However, I wouldn't count on the box office so much: How much do K. Jenkins CDs sell? No, my standpoint is, I think, somewhere in between. Or specify yourself :-)
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they sing so great and Renée is good looking with this important decoleté. may be you guy , would like to see even more, so do l. Marvelous singers. very well , even with few clothing.
i'm sorry but diction is very important for singers. for someone of kaufmann's caliber not to know the difference between "r" and "rr" is unacceptable
Nobody is forcing you to accept it. Just press the "stop" button and listen to whom you like. I didn't spend the time cutting and uploading the concert to give people a cause to whine, I did it to bring some happiness to them. If you can't enjoy my vids, get away. Yes, I am getting a tad bit mad, and it's thanks to people like you, who can't seem to get what Art is about. Thanks, I feel much better now. Happy New Year.
kaufmann keeps saying "giurrar" and ""misterro" and "corre" instead of "giurar" and "mistero" and "core". really unprofessional for a singer of his level.
MARAVILLOSO DUO DE DON ALVARO Y DON CARLOS DE VARGAS, QUE INTERPRETADO POR ESTOS DOS "BARITONOS " SE HACE INSOPORTABLE....
Maripudelmonaco 6 days ago
@DonPaolissimo: as far as I'm concerned, Kauffman is a TENOR !!!! and a good one, mind you...
marcela21884 1 week ago
A great cuple of dogs! The voice is all throaty, forced and unhearable without the mics!
MisterPapageno 1 week ago
@MisterPapageno DE ACUERDO !!!!
Maripudelmonaco 6 days ago in playlist HORRORES 4
Моё восхищение обоим!!! Восторгаюсь этими голосами..БРАВО!!!!
annushka600 3 weeks ago
no...no...no, not in Italy.......
iubanne 1 month ago
Ingolati entrambi, orridi
edmanetti 1 month ago
the greatest tenor and the greatest baritone
notjustanotherbasso 2 months ago
Ma quant'è ingolato Kaufmann? Tremendo...Kaufmann sounds incredibly throaty here, it's hardly tolerable! Even Domingo would sound much better, and that says everything! :P Hvorostovsky may not be the ideal baritone for this, but he sound much better tha JK. I'll have to listen to some Gigli to heal my wounded ears!
lindoro91 3 months ago
yes, tremendo.
iubanne 1 month ago
@lindoro91 Totally agree.
MisterPapageno 1 week ago
and watch the flautist throughout the arias -- he's gorgeous too
mensabs 4 months ago
they exude eroticism!
mensabs 4 months ago
Kaufmann frequently sings sharp in this recording. If you want to know how it should be sung listen to Björling and Merrill or Caruso and Scotti.
meo2imma 4 months ago
Magical! Gorgeous.
Barb Todres/NYC
lovingee1 4 months ago
3:42 is where God burped. beautiful.
nowayitskevin 4 months ago
M'agradat Molt gracies
merceibanezblanquer 4 months ago
First time I ever heard this duet with TWO baritones!!!!
DonPaolissimo 5 months ago 4
@DonPaolissimo
:))))))
jcab2323 5 months ago
I think the truth is that everyone wants to sing too loud...Kaufmann exagerates and sings too much in the throat, losing his resonance. If he continues in this way, he might develop a wooble in no time. It should be a pity because he is so gifted.
bjorlingforever 5 months ago
They sound wonderful together.
boboandjacob 6 months ago
einfach große gesangskultur der beiden weltstars.....
turriduful 6 months ago
And the tenor is...???
valentinmonaco 6 months ago
Aufregendes Knödel-Festival!
Ich weiss auch nach längerem Hören nicht, wem die Krone gebührt.
Aber warum soll es nicht zwei Knödelkönige geben!
legoledinapata 7 months ago
@legoledinapata Dazu plärrt Hvorostovsky noch so reizend, wenn er meint, dass es sich um unwichtige Töne handelt! Einfach grosse Kunst!
legoledinapata 7 months ago
@legoledinapata And your sarcasm is ill-placed. And if you want to be sophomoric and embarrassing try it in English for once, so everyone else can understand you. Oh, wait, you probably are some self-absorbed oaf who doesn't speak any other language besides his own. You moronic douchebag sure make me embarrassed to have the same native tongue as you. Why don't you just save the time to comment and simply move on to something you enjoy? Shouldn't be too difficult. Regards.
IlBalendelsuoSorriso 2 months ago
@unethicaldenier No, one real tenor and a baritone in the wrong fach with a very, very bad technique...
mahsef 7 months ago
У Хворостовского тёмный и бархатный тембр от природы, а Кауфманн искусственно его создаёт "запрокидыванием" языка.
TheCantator 7 months ago
IGUALES QUE MARIO DEL MONACO.-ETTORE BASTIANINI, O FRANCO CORELLI-ETTORE BASTIANINI,,,,,,,,, QUE PENA QUE VERDI NO SE PUEDA YA QUE ESCUCHAR EN DIRECTO CON ESTOS PSEUDO CANTANTE DE AHORA .
Babywinona 8 months ago
@Babywinona Everybody has their favourite singers, but to say that DH is bad because he doesn't sound EXACTLY like Bastianini? Come on, I'll take DH's Il Balen over Bastianini's any time. Beautiful voice + modern approach to the role. "Pseudo-singers"? Are you kidding? I LOVE this "old singers were gods, nowadays they're lousy" approach. Go and listen to the old recordings, but first, please, TURN OFF YOUR DAMN CAPS LOCK!
frufruJ 8 months ago 7
@frufruJ The difference between DH and Bastianini is that Bastianini didn't need a microphone. Kaufmann can really sing and doesn't need the microphone. DH's voice is artificial, squeezed and he's pretentious. It is an absolute joke to compare him to Bastianini. There are some (very few) very good baritones out there, who I've heard at the Met, who have reminded me of Bastinianini, e. g. Adrzei Dobber but not this guy...not even close...it's simple acoustics, but I'm guessing you were joking...
mahsef 7 months ago
@mahsef That's your opinion.
frufruJ 7 months ago
@frufruJ The Dobber thing is my opinion. I think he's great. The rest I wrote is just pysics. DH's voice simply doesn't carry enough for Verdi...It's the technique or the voice is too light or both...Sorry, but these are facts...simple physics...
mahsef 7 months ago
@mahsef DH's voics is his voice .Just like EB's voice was his. Im sure EB would respect DH and his ability as a singer and artist. And not condem him as you have. Time passes, EB has been dead for many years.
Ettoredipugnar 1 month ago
@mahsef I absolutley agree. @frufruJ, it's not mahsef's opinion: it's the common opionion among people who understand singing and acustics!
MisterPapageno 1 week ago
I hate Kaufmann pretending to have a dark voice
MetagothSlayer 10 months ago
@MetagothSlayer He has a dark voice and his larynx is low...it's the other guy's voice that is not correctly produced
mahsef 7 months ago
@mahsef
Are you kidding me?? Kaufmann has a TENOR tesiture, he is artificially darkening his voice with a baritone impostation, that's why he sound so struggled, Dmitri = 100% baritone, he is one of the greatest baritones ever.
MetagothSlayer 7 months ago
@MetagothSlayer So, then please explain to me why you can't hear DH in the theater at all...at all...all you see is his face turn red and no sound coming out? Why is that? I doubt that this happens because he's so great...And why is it that Kaufmann is so stable in everything he sings, no cracking, not turning red of the face and most of all, he is audible in all the repertoire from Mozart to Wagner...in every opera house...
mahsef 7 months ago
@mahsef
I have heard Dmitri in live myself, and trust me, his voice makes your body tremble. Kaufmann stable?? The only thing I hear in kaufmann is a tenor pretending to have a dark voice, an horrible struggled sound, i wonder if you have ever listened to the "old" kaufmann, that was his correct impostation... btw sorry for the bad english.
MetagothSlayer 7 months ago
@MetagothSlayer But he's inaudible live especially in Verdi - his technique is not good. I've witnessed it many times, it's an acoustical fact, sorry... I heard the young JK, when his larynx was higher. If he would have gone on singing like that he wouldn't be singing anymore. I don't like fake dark voices either, they are a product of an artificial depressed tongue and the words become unclear. But he sings with a low larynx, which is good, his tongue is free, so his diction is really good...
mahsef 7 months ago
@mahsef
You clearly don't know what you are saying, his technique is not good??? you should study a lot more this world, you are saying only wrong things.
MetagothSlayer 7 months ago
@MetagothSlayer I'm sorry, if you're his friend. He's probably a nice guy and has a pretty voice...but the technique is not good enough for Verdi...and the way you write I doubt seriously that you know anything more about the the opera world than I do. I just hope that you're not a voice teacher....Then again talented singers overcome bad voice teachers all the time...Jonas Kaufmann did and he found someone to let him sing with his own voice and not make him sound like a cheap imitation tenor...
mahsef 7 months ago
@mahsef
Seriously, you need to study the correct technique for each tesiture, and learning to listen to opera singers.
MetagothSlayer 7 months ago
@MetagothSlayer Sorry, you're the one on the wrong path and time and history and all the books written (for example Garcia) and also medical facts are proving me right. I understand where your wrong ideas come from. You hear singers like Pavarotti or Kraus and you like it (so do I) and then you think if someone like Kaufmann sang like them he would sound like them. In truth he sings like them but sounds darker because his voice is not as brililiant, but darker from nature...voices are different!
mahsef 7 months ago
@mahsef
Medical facts? come on lol. Wrong ideas? im talking about technique, i understand there are different ones (italian, germanian, etc), but the tesiture is something we natural have and we can't change it, so we must train our voice in order of that, and kauffman doesn't have a dark voice, he only is struggling it to pretending have a dark sound
MetagothSlayer 7 months ago
What is the point of discussing tecnique in this venue?
angusmcrandy 10 months ago
Gyönyörű!!!!
ophunka 11 months ago
li amo entrambi <3
MrINVECE 11 months ago
Un omaggio al cattivo gusto.
AfroPoli 1 year ago
Kaufman is using the ever-damaging lower larynx technique that Corelli used. Although Corelli sounded better.
Rodolpho262 1 year ago
@Rodolpho262 So damaging that Corelli and Del Monaco sounded glorious even as grandpas.
Pawelp 9 months ago
@Pawelp Corelli sounded good as a grandpa? I believe he lost his voice when he was not even close to being a grandpa... he rather was a 50 year old who sounded like a grandpa. Hope you are well. Cheers.
AfroPoli 9 months ago
@AfroPoli I agree he got the old man's voice rather "Early" but there was something like that already in the timbre, plus he was a bundle of nerves. In his concerts even in 1972 one can hardly justify "lost"? Greetings.
Pawelp 9 months ago
@AfroPoli you believe very wrong!!!!
mahsef 7 months ago
@Rodolpho262 Ever damaging...hilarious...both Corelli and also now Kaufmann enjoyed very long careers and Kaufmann is getting better all the time. A high larynx is what damages voices, never ever a low larynx. Corelli's voice was just a little brighter and more Italianate. Please don't write these stupid things, you get young singers confused. Just that can do serious damage. So please in the name of art, keep your strange opinions to yourself!!!!!!
mahsef 7 months ago
@mahsef DUHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Ok, I should never have said that Corelli used a bad technique. After studying Corelli's I realized that Kaufman's is soo not like Corelli's. Corelli said that he balanced the larynx. He did not always hook it down. But Kaufman is so extraordinarily stupid that he slams his adam's apple down to his stomach and then expects people to say "Oh, what a lovely deep voice. " In reality, he sounds reminiscent to a cow mooing. A sick cow at that. He USED to sound good, long ago
Rodolpho262 7 months ago
@Rodolpho262 Listen to young Kaufman. You will hear a beautiful and well-balanced tenor sound. His speaking voice is also very light, and of course that means his singing voice is just a little darker.
Rodolpho262 7 months ago
@Rodolpho262 If the guy is anything, he's not stupid. And once again, he's been singing for so long, his diction is always right on, his middle sounds beautiful and his high notes are so secure. Have you heard him sing Florestan, noone sings that with such ease as he does. So his sound is not as briliant as Pavarotti's or Kraus' it's a different voice...If he can be musical, have good diction, and be secure in the top, and be singing for so long how can that be wrong??? Also his voice carries...
mahsef 7 months ago 2
@rexeterna: I join the opinion of Yngland gaps at. No one forces you to listen to these singers. I really hope very much for you that you're perfect. But I doubt it very much. And why do you ask such frufruJ to task? Are you a senior teacher? Then of course a statement. Poor students!
ALYSSA09MUSICSTARS 1 year ago
good sound and nice duet. Definitely like it!
hightek80 1 year ago
Thanks for uploading this interesting video. I like Hvorostovsky very much, beautiful timbre. Kaufmann is too baritonal for my taste, there is almost no difference between the two voices. His low notes are superb, but the upper register is a little strained and different sounding, not so impressive.
tehen162 1 year ago
@tomhumphreys92 yes, these two I like very much. among some others:-) such as Simon Keenlyside of course.
eurydike 1 year ago
Yum AND Yummier with two of the sexiest men in opera =D
classicalgal14 1 year ago
Never mind the beautiful voices and sensitive interpretations, these two singers have enough charissma to fill any opera house in the world! May they live forever! Fidelio
elwoodskid 1 year ago 2
Two hottest operatic stars of this era.
Cissy97 1 year ago 13
Hvorostovsky is hoooooooooooooooooooot
cantanteporsiempre 1 year ago 2
@cantanteporsiempre yes - absolutly
Yngland 1 year ago
They need to sing si pel ciel together!
ElSalvador50 1 year ago
DH has a great technique but for my taste his voice is unpleasant.
JK has a great timbre but only when he sings loud. In piano passages his voice is breathy
zeuswotan 1 year ago
Who is the tenor and who is the baritone?
monsieurTriquet 1 year ago
I adore both! Superb.
vivaverdi1 1 year ago
I began to ship Carlo/Alvaro, it's THEIR fault! *evil grin*
Want to see them in Trovatore too.
Sieglinde84 1 year ago
My most favourite Alvaro is Jose C.:-))), but ....
Yes, I like this.
eurydike 1 year ago
@eurydike José Cura or José Carreras? It makes a big difference! May fav, is Franco Corelli, but I find Kauffmann great!
marokt 1 year ago
@marokt Jose Carreras:-)
eurydike 1 year ago
@marokt on vit avec les vivants aussi.... bien que corelli etait merveilleux mais il n est plus crreras c est fini jose cura avez vous entendu cette annee sa voix?kaufmann .. villazon.. florez ...voila les trois nouveaux tenors
wanchaan 1 year ago
frufruJ, thanks for uploading this video and the other videos of these two "HUNKS".... THEY ARE GREAT SINGERS. AND YES, People should learn to accept new singers :-)
baritonodaw 1 year ago
or muoio tranquillo e stringo il cor mio,dal dolore immenso... é finita,siamo nel 21 secolo dove regnano l'odio,la mediocritá e l'ignoranza ,me ne vado da questo mondo con piacere,un mondo dove non c'é posto per l'amore e l'amicizia me non mi interessa.Che cosa é la musica lirica?Al giorno d'oggi sono poche persone che possono dare la risposta giusta...é finita.
bodiloto 1 year ago
@bodiloto : non ti deprimere così carissimo amico, sono sicuro che molto presto arriveranno tempi di gran lunga migliori anche per la lirica. E poi tu sei pieno di amici che ti stimano e ti ammirano moltissimo ( tra cui io certamente ) e hai dedicato tutta la tua vita alla lirica e all'opera ; se la grande GHENA DIMITROVA ti sentisse parlare così di certo sarebbe molto dispiaciuta per te. Rallegrati che anche la lirica presto rinascerà ! Se trovo qualche bel video te lo invio subito !!!
31122051 1 year ago 2
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bodiloto 1 year ago
@31122051 non sono depresso,cerco d'essere poeta . le mie parole sono poesia pura...
bodiloto 1 year ago
kaufmann=singing in the through, tutto ingolato,
sergimcar 1 year ago 4
@sergimcar better throaty than nasal and whiny. At least he sounds like a man
saintsaens21 1 year ago 3
@tomhumphreys92 Thanks for your support. A friend of mine was there, as well as having seen him at ROH and Vienna, and she said that the voice did appear huge, but it was due to the size of the hall. His voice is indeed capable of some impressive volume when the drama requires, but he's not one of those singers who can only sing forte or fortissimo (which I find annoying :-) )
frufruJ 1 year ago 4
Jonas no luce aqui, su voz es muy obscura...
Boldenona 1 year ago
Kaufmann = baritone
Frikinetto 1 year ago 4
@Frikinetto Nope.
Pawelp 9 months ago
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bodiloto 1 year ago
@bodiloto Yet again a frustrated tenor who has nothing better to do but post comments on YouTube. Go practice, so that you can show us how to sing.
frufruJ 1 year ago
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bodiloto 1 year ago
@bodiloto You sang for 50 years, but why aren't you as famous as him? Because he's a terrible singer and everybody loves terrible singers, in your opinion?
frufruJ 1 year ago
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bodiloto 1 year ago
@bodiloto Yeah, I know nothing about singing, just like 99% of people around opera, I'm just desperately in love with DH so that I don't hear how terribly he sings. Thank you for opening my eyes.
Maybe you could save his career by offering your teaching services to him, I'm sure he'll be glad. Also you should write to all music magazines and opera houses, somehow *nobody* there - critics, singers, conductors - seems to understand what a dilettante DH is. Thank you for your effort on YT.
frufruJ 1 year ago
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bodiloto 1 year ago
@bodiloto Oh, come on!
frufruJ 1 year ago
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bodiloto 1 year ago
@bodiloto I defend the videos that I've uploaded, because by saying that they're bad, you're not only putting me, the uploader, in a situation of having exposed the artist to unfair criticism, but also offending my taste. (besides that I just hate plain criticism, everybody can do that) I also have other videos, not just DH, and I'll defend them just as much - some of them even more. So please, cut this love crap short.
frufruJ 1 year ago
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bodiloto 1 year ago
@bodiloto Silence doesn't have to be ignorance. We have a saying, if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. There is a balanced criticism, saying all good and bad, and imbalanced, unhealthy and foul criticism. You chose the latter.
frufruJ 1 year ago
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bodiloto 1 year ago
@bodiloto One last time, DH doesn't have a huge voice, but not small. But obviously, the only criterion of a good singer that you accept is the size. Good for you, keep listening to the loud ones, and let us listen to the beautiful ones. Best regards.
frufruJ 1 year ago
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bodiloto 1 year ago
@bodiloto This discussion is pointless. You'll never accept new singers, you just for some reason spend your time arguing on YT. You don't like them, don't listen to them. And stay off of my videos. Ciao.
frufruJ 1 year ago
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bodiloto 1 year ago
@frufruJ A Parigi hó piu di 100 amici tutti sono giovani e sono cantanti lirici.Come vede accetto i givani cantanti,e come!Mi conosce poco,tanto meglio per lei...Grazie per la sua generositá,e ovvio che é una donna innamorata,brava!Con rispetto,il vecchio.
bodiloto 1 year ago
@frufruJ I'm not a die-hard fan of DH (I don't particularly like his Mozart, for instance), but I think he's a very good singer and I respect him. The same for JK. That guy wastes his time bashing the singers he doesn't like and mocking their fans. Really unpolite. He says he's deaf from 1980, how can he judge JK or DH? He says also that he had his nose broken, that he lose his teeth and has cabbage-like ears. Maybe this is the reason why he is so acid, poor man.
blichilde 1 year ago
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@blichilde ei poveretta,leggi il tuo commento da4 mesi fa dove insulti @bodiloto!
non e @bodiloto "poor man" come lo hai chiamata Tu! fanatica!
la povera sei Tu!
ma come ti permetti di insultare queste persone,sei davvero pazza!poveretta!
come ti permetti di parlare delle persone che non conosci,e di parlare male di loro?
poveretta sei Tu!
ranigema 1 year ago
@bodiloto Oh, yeah, and I'm also in love with DiDonato, Garanča, Bartoli, Fleming and others, otherwise I wouldn't listen to them, according to bodiloto. Stop patronizing.
frufruJ 1 year ago 2
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bodiloto 1 year ago
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bodiloto 1 year ago
The dark voices!!!
theEDGARSKATE 1 year ago
What I wanna say is that he's such a powerful voice and I'd appreciate istening he singing in the future, he is young but already sounds as if he was 50 years old....., he struggled to sing the high register, it's painful to watch
veranista 1 year ago
It's not Don Carlo's duet, it's Forza Del Destino......
Kaufmann has been adressed as one of the best tenors of this generation, but nothing he sings is really good, I like his baritone sound but not his interpretation, he'll end just like Placido - prematurally old (what a shame)
veranista 1 year ago
@veranista Of course it's La Forza, it's the duet of Don Alvaro and Don Carlo, as it states in the title. Also, can you please specify in what way is Placido Domingo "prematurely old" at the age of 69?
frufruJ 1 year ago
@veranista Placido is still going strong. And HOW.
Sieglinde84 1 year ago
I never understand why people take possession over someone else's voice. If he's a baritone, singing as a tenor, that's up to HIM and his people. If he does himself harm, that's on him, NOT anyone else else. If he sounds great, and gives the public something, then for the love of God, ENJOY IT and hush!
courtneybaritone01 1 year ago 4
I would find it very hard to believe that someone could sing the roles Don Jose and Cavaradossi without being a tenor
fujunction 1 year ago
he is not a baritone, he has the passagio in f-g, like all tenors, he sounds dark cause all voice is in the through, ingolata, except vocal "i", that sounds tenor, cause in that vocal allways sounds the real voice..pitty, it would be more beatifull a free voice, but today only counts that he is handsome..
sergimcar 1 year ago
he is not a baritone, he has the passagio in f-g, like all tenors, he sounds dark cause all voice is in the through, ingolata, except vocal "i", that sounds tenor, cause in that vocal allways sounds the real voice..pitty, it would be more beatifull a free voice, but today only counts that he is handsome..
sergimcar 1 year ago
i don't think he is a bariton, cause in the only vocal he can not sing "ingolato" so in the through, as he does all the time, so the vocal "i", he sound like his real voice, a tenor, and he has "passagio" voice in f-g, like all tenors...pity cause a free voice would sound a lot more beatifull, but it only matters that he his handsome in our days..
sergimcar 1 year ago
Handsome?... Handsome is Keanu Reeve, Brad Pete, Gerard Butler, Hugh Jackman. Kaufmann is just normal good looking guy but I wouldn´t say handsome... especially with those teeth.
ezayi 1 year ago
If this isn't a perfect demonstration that Kaufman is really a lyric baritone I just... I just don't know what to say anymore... He's a baritone... A baritone... They both sound wonderful but it's hard to get past the fact that Kaufman is really a baritone being marketed as something he's c-l-e-a-r-l-y not.... A spinto tenor still sounds like a tenor, and covers on E or F, not Bb or C (which is almost a fifth below). Hope that doesn't count as whining... I despise the whiners as well...
NathanaelSaintCyr 1 year ago 2
@NathanaelSaintCyr Actually, there's more to the tenor-baritone thing. Have you seen Domingo's Boccanegra? He's great, but he remains a tenor. There's a tenor "ping" in Kaufmann's voice, even though I agree that he seems as if somewhere "between".
frufruJ 1 year ago
@frufruJ he sounds quite uniquely:-)
eurydike 1 year ago
@NathanaelSaintCyr
dont say anything else just sit there and get more Green than you already are :)))))))))))))
LohengrinT 1 year ago
they are both wonderful, and at first, if you close your eyes, it is hard to know it is Kaufmann(tenor singing) his sound is so wonderfully dark and full..
kgarmaker123 1 year ago
@kgarmaker123 Yeah... agree God forbid a tenor actually sings with both dark and bright overtones... it's enough to start a world war on here! lol I love JK. Not everyone's taste... but then again, I hate nasal, over protective tenors who can't manage a sound beyond precious. And Dimi... man... what a stud.
SchwarzBass 1 year ago
frufruJ noted, " I didn't spend the time cutting and uploading the concert to give people a cause to whine, I did it to bring some happiness to them." I think you deserve appreciation, and I thank you. This clip brought up happiness.
comment2011 1 year ago
@comment2011 Thank you :-)
I must learn to be calmer, it's always the same people complaining, but it saddens me, of course.
frufruJ 1 year ago
senza microfono é un'altra cosa...
bodiloto 2 years ago
If you think this is anything except the greatest singing you've ever heard, you're an idiot.
drbarbarabaker 2 years ago
I must be a complete and total idiot.
NathanaelSaintCyr 1 year ago
@NathanaelSaintCyr I got a little carried away. Let's just say I like them a lot.
drbarbarabaker 3 months ago
Respond to this video... One of the things I like about this whole set is the fact that Jonas expands to meet Dmitri.
drbarbarabaker 3 months ago
Another regular inspired by a measured and powerful performance.
NewsTemp 2 years ago
Poor frufruJ!
I cannot be silent, when I must hear this imposition!
They are singing with constrained voices!
It`s awful!!!!!!!!!!!!
When the sun of singing-culture is low, then even dwarfs have long shadows.
Happy New Year!
Ricocarrino1 2 years ago
You "must" hear this? I didn't force you. If you don't like it, fine. Why so many exclamation marks? Have you been celebrating the New Year too early? How many better singers do you know? Is 100% today's singers "awful"? Then I guess you should consider commiting a suicide, because living among a society composed of incapable singers is clearly too much for you. Go meet Björling and stop spamming my videos.
frufruJ 2 years ago
of course they are. here, kaufmann is bad, hvorostovsky is worse. both have the capacity to sing well, but they don't do it here. frufru is essentially the Grand Inquisitor, though, and no criticism is ever acceptable to him. if hvorostovsky killed someone, frufru would still defend him and say the problem is with the victim...
rexeterna 2 years ago 5
HA! I've awaken the dragon! xD
No criticism is ever acceptable to "her".
I'm open to discussion. Be specific instead of mindless criticising, which seems to be a matter of a few individuals on YT. 99% people can't seem to understand why Kaufmann and Hvorostovsky are so bad, so please, do enlighten us!
frufruJ 2 years ago
frufru, you have a very short memory. I gave you a specific criticism: neither Hvorostovsky can consistently roll their r's, they turn "core" into "corre" (a totally different word), "mistero" into "misterro," "giuro" into "giurro." THIS IS BASIC ITALIAN WHICH YOU LEARN IN YOUR FIRST YEAR AS A SINGER. that is a specific criticism. what is your response?
p.s. sorry for calling you a "him." :)
rexeterna 2 years ago 4
I must have a memory loss, I don't recall you giving this specific criticism on any of my videos (even though you did criticize Kaufmann here for his Italian).
I'm not arguing here. I'm a phonetician by education, and of course it's a mystery for my why some people don't articulate what is so obvious for me. They just don't. Be it Italian, French, Russian or Czech. I'm not defending. It's just a fact that if I should condemn every Rusalka for poor Czech... heh. Take it or leave it.
frufruJ 2 years ago
@rexeterna
Scusi : It is not only a problem of correct articulation, it is a basically general technical problem.
They are singing with a lump in the throat, with constrained voices.
Italian: ingolata
german: knödeln
A person named frufru capisce un cazzo di queste problemi.
It is horrible for the public to hear them, when there are connoisseurs and for the singers its fatally for the vocal cords. Their appoggio is wrong,and tends to result the damage of their voices.
Ricocarrino1 2 years ago 2
Funny, and why aren't their voices already damaged? And why don't you tell them, instead of writing comments on YouTube?
frufruJ 2 years ago
you are young! You have to exercise patience.
Ricocarrino1 2 years ago
You are right. Now, can you answer my question?
frufruJ 2 years ago
It´s a deal! You give me the numbers of their "Red-Phones"!
Ricocarrino1 2 years ago
Unfortunately. I wish I had their numbers! But certainly you, with your vast knowledge of the subject, are at least a professor, so it should not be a problem for you to contact famous singers.
frufruJ 2 years ago
Bingo!
But first I want your number!
Ciao!
Ricocarrino1 2 years ago
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don't waste your time, frustrated tenor, sicuro.
joanabanyeres 2 years ago
You Tube certainly seems to be some sort of home for vocal experts and voice coaches etc.. I am surprised that they have time to comment here ....with all those students clammering for their time and expertise!!!
The phrase that comes to mind is a little crude for a channel devoted to the uplifting art of singing.....a four letter expletive preceding the word "them".
Keep the clips coming frufruJ. Us regular guys enjoy them!!
pjdonagh 2 years ago
Thanks for your comment, very very much. Sometimes I have a feeling that I am the only person in the world who thinks that people like Hvorostovsky and Kaufmann are wonderful.
frufruJ 2 years ago
Hvorostovsky has no more persuasive advocate than frufruj but you are certainly not alone in your admiration of his considerable talent. The world first saw this genius in the Cardiff competion and he has never failed to live upto that promise of greatness.
As always, the public are right and the self appointed critics and arbitors of vocal rectitude are wrong. The box office is never wrong!!
Keep up the good work....I have just seen the Trovatore duet with Fleming........wonderful!!!
pjdonagh 2 years ago
Thank you. However, I wouldn't count on the box office so much: How much do K. Jenkins CDs sell? No, my standpoint is, I think, somewhere in between. Or specify yourself :-)
frufruJ 2 years ago
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they sing so great and Renée is good looking with this important decoleté. may be you guy , would like to see even more, so do l. Marvelous singers. very well , even with few clothing.
joanabanyeres 2 years ago
no you are one in all the millions who think like you.
joanabanyeres 2 years ago
@frufruJ :D You're not alone... don't worry! someone should think before speaking... am I right?
TheDmitrilover 1 year ago
@frufruJ you are not the only :-))))
eurydike 1 year ago
keeps the clip and buy their CD or DVD,
joanabanyeres 2 years ago
@frufruJ that is a good question. Poor MET to have such bad singers :-)))))
eurydike 1 year ago
E questo sarebbe uno dei migliori tenori del mondo???!!! Ma fatemi il piacere, è completamente ingolato nel centro. Non c'è paragone col baritono.
87calaf 2 years ago 7
peccato, si...il, marketing, visto che nessuno capisce un cavolo, ci fanno credere che qwuesto tenore ingolato è caruso
che triste mondo oggi questo dell'opera
sergimcar 1 year ago
the Battle of the Low Held Larynx --
thanks for the vid
btsg 2 years ago 9
@btsg Haha you're so right, but Kaufmann wins by a mile, it's almost on his chest!
Pollione88 1 year ago
i'm sorry but diction is very important for singers. for someone of kaufmann's caliber not to know the difference between "r" and "rr" is unacceptable
rexeterna 2 years ago 9
Nobody is forcing you to accept it. Just press the "stop" button and listen to whom you like. I didn't spend the time cutting and uploading the concert to give people a cause to whine, I did it to bring some happiness to them. If you can't enjoy my vids, get away. Yes, I am getting a tad bit mad, and it's thanks to people like you, who can't seem to get what Art is about. Thanks, I feel much better now. Happy New Year.
frufruJ 2 years ago
well to be fair, no one is forcing you to spend time cutting and uploading concerts either.
but please, do tell us what "art is about". we'd love to know.
rexeterna 2 years ago 4
@rexeterna - who wants to find mistakes - find ALWAYS SOMETHING - although it´s absolute NONSENCE - i hope YOU ARE PERFECT
Yngland 1 year ago
kaufmann keeps saying "giurrar" and ""misterro" and "corre" instead of "giurar" and "mistero" and "core". really unprofessional for a singer of his level.
rexeterna 2 years ago 10