We should let people do bad shit lol. Would fix the population problem. As long as you educate what the fuck that bad shit is for then I think thats Law enough. Washington can go fuck itself.
How about the fact that despite the crazy ammount of American tax dollars comes from the inflated tobacco tax that was enacted during the Bush admnistration, yet I can't smoke in a bar because I live near Houston? Or how in multiple states and cities across the country, I can't even smoke outdoors? Funny how a group that gives a shit ton of money to the government has no pull. Probably because I'm not the CEO of Goldman. Like Bush's entire treasury department was. The guys who deregulated banks.
you can still buy cloves Shane their just little cigars now and the tip is laced with a flavor instead of the tobacco being flavored just a FYI I know you don't you smoke often
@SmokingEssy7887 Oh I know. Thanks, though. =) Keep in mind that this video is two years old. About five months later I discovered that the tobacco companies had circumvented the law by producing clove "cigars."
Your absolutely right that the government is trying to protect us from ourselves, just yesterday I tried twice to buy lottery tickets with a debit card and I couldn't. The reason I could up with for this BS is that the government or state is trying to protect ADULTs (18 or older) from gambling their savings away on scratch tickets, isn't that my choice at 20 if I want to spend my money on lottery tickets, no I guess it's not anymore unless you have cash on you
@SmokingEssy7887 Wow, where do you live where they're doing that? So it isn't even a matter of buying an excessive amount of lottery tickets, it's a matter of you trying to use a debit card as opposed to cash? Crazy.
@SmokingEssy7887 This is true. What I was emphasizing was more that in all 50 states, someone has to be at *least* 18 to smoke (if not older). Thank you for the input. =)
When do we draw the line? Like, really. I agree with your rant but...could one not say "I don't smoke crack, but I want to have the option to do so?" O_o
I live in New Brunswick, Canada. Our high schools still have outdoor cigarette smoking areas in them. It is fucking great. We can smoke underage, completely legal, lawl.. Can ask people to buy smokes for us, just can't buy them ourselves. Strange, eh?
Can I correct please: Actually in New york and Massachusetts it is NOT against the law for minors to smoke (parents/legal guardians can also give tobacco to minors in massachusetts within reason) it just against the law for them (minors) to say shoplift cigarettes or smoke on school grounds but you are that the majority of states have penalties for minors smoking
@silverladderdotcom your welcome also another reason they haven't banned flavored cigar (yet) is because rich people who work in the government in washington smoke them
This reminds me of the Video game issue thing. Where they are taking more and more violence out of rated M video games becouse of kids who are not suppose to be playing those games in the first place. I am not a smoker (other than hookah on rare occasion) but i agree with this 100 percent.
Good vid, But theres more to the story, another conspiracy, Djarum is a company that makes clove cigarrettes, those were banned. Djarum also is an Indonesian company, Indonisia has a large muslim population. Buying clove cigs over american cigs= ??? the banning of flavored cigs is just a cover up
4:43 this is true i still want to know where i can buy some all i have to smoke now is hookah and i cant Carrie that around everywhere like i did with the cloves
@okok103 No, I didn't say that. I said, "I don't smoke" (as in present tense). When this vid was filmed there had been a handful of times in my past I had smoked cigars or clove cigarettes... typically months apart, if not more. What I was saying is "I am not a smoker," as in "I don't have a personal agenda or selfish interest in this bill." I've never been one who routinely smokes., Then again, I don't smoke cannabis either but think it should be decriminalized. Hope this clarifies.
The part that really bugs me, is the idea people have about those making laws. People think that the person who makes such laws, is a big, fat republican smoking cigars and sipping his scotch, talking with his colleagues about how he's keeping the lower class down, putting crack in the ghetto, paying the Jews to create media sensations, and laughing while he's expressing such things.
Then, here comes Mr hip and cool Obama, with his new policy on flavored tobacco
@510FILMS Exactly. A question I asked back in June 2009 indeed became very relevant in November/December of 2010 when they started going after Four Loko. Once again they said they were doing it "to protect the children." Never mind the fact that now college kids will simply go back to having to mix caffeinated beverages (Red Bull, Monster, Redline, etc.) with alcohol (including many forms with an ABV much higher than Four Loko's 12%) by themselves. And this makes us all safer & better how?
@silverladderdotcom Whatever makes our government sleep at night.. But you're absolutely right about mixing alcoholic drinks, such as Jagermeister and Vodka, around 40% ABV with any sized energy drink. What I found kind of surprising was when the FDA declared the caffeinated malt beverages weren't in compliance with safety regulations and laws... then why did they end up on the shelf in the first place? Punish those who sell it to the underage, and the underage who consume it, not everyone else.
It seems like cigars and pipe tobacco are always exempted from these bans: The PACT Act, The flavored thing and the new law that makes it illigal to call marlboro gold pack marlboro lights.
Great video. Well said man and in my state you actually have to be 19 to purchase or poses tobacco. Which is rediculous in which that someone who is 18 can go fight and die for their country and have Americas finest men and women come to their highschool and be talked into joining one of the armed forces but at the same time can't go and buy ciggerates or smokeless tobacco like chew or dip.
IF ITS MY CHOICE TO SMOKE THEN HELL YES IM GOING TO SMOKE ANY TOBBACCO I CAN GET AHOLD OF THAT INTERESTS ME. YES. I AM A SMOKER AND PROUD OF WHO I AM. WHY CAUSE ITS APART OF ME. EVERYONE WHO EVER DRANK WATER DIED. BUT ITS MY CHOICE IM NOT PUTTING A GUN TO A KIDS HEAD AND SAYING SMOKE A CIGGARETTE. WELL IN A SENSE THATS WHAT THE GOV. IS DOING TO ME AND SAYING I WILL GO TO JAIL FOR HARMING MYSELF AND NO ONE AROUND ME. WHEN BIG GOV. STEPS IN THEY FUCK EVERYTHING UP
Unfortunately for me this bill has restricted me from being able to have a CHOICE! right when i turned 18. Like you said i am a self respecting kid who also wouldn't be caught dead with some sort of flavored tobacco product in school> But....like you said when i turned the legal age of being an adult which happened to be after the passing of this bill, i now cant have the OPTION to make the choice if i so please>
P.M. is a cigarette company and not a tobacco company. There interest are in making cigarettes and selling them. With that, recently a bill was passed that increased the "roll your own" tobacco tax from 1 to 24 dollars per pound. Soon the next bill (H.R. 4439) will do the same with pipe and cigar tobacco. People will not roll them at home if its the same price at the store.
So really the only way to get a smoke would be buying them from PM or growing the stuff in your back yard.
Dude....you have an amazing way of delivering the blow with angular and precise grammar and sustaining your thought sequence. You took all factual evidence and then speculated a very objective opinion, which has deeply ingraved moral values bestowed in the simple action of our freedom of choice. You rock man. We need people like you in schools teaching young minds to think for themselves and never be scared to question society... YOU ROCK BRO
isnt there already a law that says you have to be 18 to buy cigarettes??? And isnt it the TOBACCO thats causing all the health problems and not the "candy flavoring"?
Another thing to add, as a smokeless user, is that Phillip Morris bought United States Smokeless Tobacco company (copenhagen and skoal) for 10.3 Billion to further their far and away control of the market share of all tobacco, not just cigarettes. We all agree that kids should not be smoking but taking freedoms from everyone in an ill fated attempt to stop its is just plain dumb. Tobacco has and will always be a livelihood in America, especially where I'm from, in the rural south.
Man u said it all its not a good thing 2 smoke or chew tobacco but we like 2 have the option of doing whatever we want and i think the parents of the underage kids need 2 watch over they're kids alittle more and not let them do anything like that or hang out with kids that do that the whole thing is the parents r not watching they're kids period and they can go out and do whatever they want and when the parents find out what they're kids r doin they get angry well WATCH YOUR KIDS
Did you know that actually, in America, it is in fact NOT illegal for minors to smoke? Stores cannot sell them to minors, but if they get them by other means, they can then proceed in smoking them. Even though the above is true, around my parts, VT, cops have been ticketing minors for having them, and people who were caught supplying them to minors. Now, I'm not saying it;s right, but it's unconstitutional for them to do so. They obviously found so loop hole thought. What are your thoughts?
@EthMan09 THERE IS NO LOOP-HOLE. THE COPS IN YOUR STATE ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE FEDERAL CONSTITUTION. FOR ALL THAT I REALIZE WHAT SMOKING FOR 41yrs IS DOING TO MY HEALTH/WOULD,NT WISH THAT ON ANYONE,BUT THE GOVERNMENT/TOBACCO INDUSTRY,TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE UNWILLING TO MAKE ANY BRANCH OF THE GOVERNMENT STAND ON CONSTITUTIONAL LAW.
Epic video. I completely agree with you. Personally I just turned 18. I've always been against tobacco, but with becoming an adult, I like having the option, being able to make my own choices. Now tobacco is one choice I will never have now with the new bill. I say tobacco, because look at how fast they are progressing on it.
1. No more flavored tobacco
2. FSC aka congresses "inadvertent" way of getting people to quit
haha wow,up here in canada minors like me can not buy tobacco,but we are allowed to have it and smoke,just today i was walking down the street with a cigarette in hand and a cop car drove by,he looked at me and kept going becuz he knew he couldnt do anything :)
thats messed up man i hate cigs but this is just bothersome every time i look something new is being taken away 1st with bush and now this jerk why is it that every time we get someone new in office they suck,abuse their power, take some kind of freedom away , or just make shit harder for everyone eles , i just lost me home twice and now this shit man just put me in chains and a ball and tell me to work for free why dont you o... wait godamit thats next isnt it lol should have just shutup
I just bought some "tasty puffs" from my local tobacco shop. You put a drop of flavoring on your cig to flavor it. i got Juicy fruit flavoring. I can't smoke FSC though so I am awaiting my order of an e cig. My only consulation is that our gov't won't be getting any more tax dollars from me but I will be continuing with my nicotine addiction.
i agree. i started smoking sadly. but it was my choice. i dont think flavored snuff, cigars, cigarettes. will change the fact that this is america, its free. i think they need to enforce the uner 18 law... but its as easy as handing an adult 5 bucks and recieving a pack of cigarettes, they cant change that.
I couldn't agree with you more. The teens where I live all go for marlboro lights, menthols, or black and milds. I'm yet to see any with flavored cigarettes or cigars
The phrase government uses "for the children" is just a con to get people to support more unjust laws by an out of control govt. The biggest criminals in this country are the elected officials who disregard the consitution on a daily basis. Shame on them, and shame on anyone who doesn't know this.
I apologise. I was commenting on the video and It irritated me to hear another person say that they should have the choice to smoke if they want to even though it kills so many millions of other people just by being in the shops. On reflection I also think that people often don@t realise what harm their freedom causes to others
@MrMynameisrobin, Not one single death has ever been proven to have been caused by smoking. There are other things that surround us and are more cancerous than cigarettes. It's just a risk factor. Like alcohol, fried foods and milk.
Just curious if you'd take the same stance on marijuana. While I don't smoke and have never smoked pot, I think it's ludicrous that the money and resources poured into our "war on drugs" is overwhelmingly focused on controlling and prosecuting marijuana growers and users. Stupid in my opinion. It's no more dangerous than alcohol and is far less dangerous to your health than tobacco. I think if adults want to smoke pot, they should be able to do so legally.
While I'm not about to act like it's harmless (what is?), cannabis concerns me less than alcohol. As an adult that has spent plenty of time around both people consuming alcohol and people consuming cannabis, I can genuinely say that current cannabis prohibition laws are ridiculous and give power to the wrong people. Research the origin of cannabis becoming illegal and what the motivations behind it were. Big tobacco, alcohol companies, and big pharma are huge proponents of the war on drugs.
I agree...I know some of the history behind the demonization of marijuana in the US, but it's not something I know a lot about. I see no issue with making it legal for responsible adults as long was we have the appropriate regulations and laws in place. Of course, it's political suicide for any politician to say any of this.
@ITSBRYINDY - Funny how in 2010, a year when we have very real threats of physical harm from all directions, the U.S. government still spends so much time, effort, resources, and taxpayer money on combating a plant. A PLANT. If an adult who is of age consumes cannabis and does not act in a way that compromises someone else's safety or liberty, I think it's no one's business. It doesn't concern me. Why should it be treated any different than alcohol? Those who fear it know nothing about it
@ITSBRYINDY het man have you read what 1 "joint" has in it? Take all the negative chemicals in 1 whole pack of Camel non-filter cigarettes then add 20 known " carcinogens" ( cancer causing agents). Besides Prez Obama is still the biggest hypocrite.
@ITSBRYINDY correction, its waaaay safer, and healthier than alcohol, and even tylenol etc. you cant overdose on the good ole herbs.. you'd have to smoke like 15,000 blunts at one time, and even then you die of the smoke, and that harm rather any properties in cannibus. total bullshit, but we cant complain, we let it happen, it is a plant like we all say, which means it can be sown. even george washinton said to "sow the indian hemp seed wherever you can" (in loose wording)
The first cigarette I ever smoked was a menthol. I was 14 and I liked it cause it tasted minty.
I totally agree with what you are saying. I think the bill is good as in on the right track, but they shouldn't ban these ciggarettes because they think kids are going to smoke them.
They are kind of out of their place on trying to do the right thing here.
Bidis, clove cigarettes contain higher concentrations of nicotine, meaning they're more prone for addiction.
Although I agree w/ you to some degree; running is, in most cases, a very beneficial form of exercise- while smoking is not. Trans-fat is extremely harmful to consumers. Trans-fat is a cheap alternative to making fast/ packaged foods with only harm done on the consumer's behalf.
While I agree with you, running and trans-fat may not have been the most ideal examples.
Nonetheless, you got my point. And you're preaching to the choir on the running. I lift weights five days a week and do sprint interval cardio three days a week.
Please provide documentation on cloves having higher concentrations of nicotine.
No one benefited via this bill but the biggest of big tobacco.
Your right on the Money Kid,But Jake,Look How they CONDONE ALCOHOL,Now They CLAIM there is no LIGHT CIGARETTE which is BULL,But there are LIGHT BEERS,Which is a LIE TOO,And Jake,If they REALLY WANT to protect Kids and Everyone else GO AFTER ALCOHOL Like they did SMOKERS...Smokers Don't KILL OTHER PEOPLE.....PERIOD
spoken like a true patriot. i certainly dont need anyone else telling me what is best for me. whats next, my neighbor gets to decide what type of car i purchase? or how about what kind of dog i can own? slippery slope were on here people
in addition to that, cigarettes are also being taxed to hell in my state, you pay anywhere from $6.50 to $7 on cigs whenever you have to buy them, is that supposed to be some gimmick to extort more money from from the consumer under the "guise" of lessoning the amount of cigarettes being consumed? its ridiculous
@SorrowsDemiseRaven protip: order them online. find a reputible dealer and go that route. why pay taxes to a government that doesnt follow the people that elected it.
This is just another example of the same shit you will get when liberals are in charge, and hell when its all over and obama is done with his terms, he feels relieved now because all he has to do is say that bush started it, and its all over.
Amen brotha amen! Sorta on the same subject... I think insurance companies are a bunch of dirty low life money sucking douche bags, however,I don't want to see our government take over health care. Wait a few more years, anything the government sees fit they're gonna ban or put a gigantic tax on. Sugar is the next enemy on their agenda I would imagine.
Totally agree,but try living in Australia where they'll ban just about anything "for our own good" including e-cigarettes and "R" rated video games from adults.Totally insane.
i am also not a smoker, but just of legal age to buy tobacco products and this bill is the stupidest thing i have ever heard. i know more kids that smoke/chew nonflavored tobacco than flavored. taking this freedom away upsets me, even as a non-tobacco user. its pointless and there are SO MANY more things congress could be worrying about than freaking tobacco.
The flavored tobacco bill is just another example of the control lobbys over Congress (in this case a ban of, largely foreign made, flavored tobacco products) . I think its time we restarted the American Democratic practice. Recall all Senators and Representatives and make a fresh start without a party system or corporate influence.
How do we insist on calling this nation "the land of the free" while at the same time passing shit like this? Americans in general fail to see that their freedom is being seized everyday, little by little. Whether you agree or disagree with smoking, you better fight for your right to MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS. Even if it doesn't affect you, one day the end of that same gun will be pointed at you. By that time it'll be too late to protest; you would have already seized that right. I wish you luck.
I agree completely. Glad to see you've taken notice of what's going on. It concerns me when people learn about this bill (and legislation like it) and *don't* get upset about it. I wonder if they're ignorant or just apathetic.
In my opinion, the olive branch on the Great Seal of the United States should be replaced with that of a tobacco leaf.
After all, it took three smokers to defeat the non-smoker Adolph Hitler during WW II.Roosevelt (cigarettes), Churchill (cigars) and Stalin who smoked a pipe.
I am so glad I had the pleasure to read this comment. Made my day now I will take this knowledge to my American Government and American History classes today! LOL.
I love the comment that they should make running illegal. That would give them the right to search you and arrest you for it. Further eroding our rights...
E-cigs have the potential to knock PM and RJR off thier pedestal...I went from 2 packs Marlboro a day to none...I now vape and have never felt better I can see a lotta BS coming down the pike the next couple of months/years!
but its our fault. for doing it. adults have the rite to do wutever. just like you said you wana kill yourself. no one should stop you.. if you wann smoke so be it. flavored not flavored. who cares!. i agreee
so that means electronic cigarette's also dont stand a chance :(,,,,but saying that it's not like im a law abiding citizen anyways so it aint gonna apply to me even if they start this kinda shit over here,,,not saying im a criminal,i just dont go along with everything these fat cat's say we can and cant smoke,although all i smoke now are electronic cigarette's,,,all the laws are backward anyway,,,so much so all these high profile's must be rolling around pissing themselves with laughter,,..
Aren't electronic cigs completely harmless? I thought they were a way to feed a nicotine addiction without actually smoking and were intended as a way to break the habit. They also seem pretty effective to me. With any luck they won't be banned.
This is so right on! I love the point... "Enforce the existing laws." This goes for a lot more than just tobacco products people. I don't need to be protected from myself either! We should be able to govern our personal selves. My opinion, American government is too active in legislating our daily lives. They need to take a step back from "saving us from ourselves." Maybe we all need to take more civil action and bring this country back to THE PEOPLE! Note to government- YOU WORK FOR US!
hahaha.... If someone see's you hit yourself with a brick repeatedly... You would be put on a 72 hour hold in California. 'Danger to yourself'. Just sayin...
And I agree with your video! I love Djarum cigarettes - only smoke like 1 a week; give or take a couple when I go out.
Exactly what I said, why make a new law when kids couldn't smoke legally in the first place...
i say they need to leaglize everything. if drugs are so bad as a whole the irresponsible people will indeed kill themselves and its their right to do so
Who said cigarettes were being banned? I missed that.
Yes, it's a ban on flavored tobacco... in cigarette form. Therefore, flavored cigarettes are now illegal to sell in the United States.
And for the umpteenth time: This really isn't about tobacco. I think people are still missing the point. This might as well have been a ban on fast food, or soda, or alcohol, or caffeine. I would have felt the same way. I don't care about cigarettes or tobacco. I care about freedom of choice for adults
i meant not just cigarettes. it includes cigarillos... but candy flavored cigarettes and cigarillos are also to get kids to start smoking. one of my friends started smoking those flavored black and milds when she was 13 or 14. that is the point in the ban. but the fda will soon ban all flavored tobacco products and possibly menthol.
Be content in your humanity, comfortable enough to enjoy its perfect imperfections, even its decadence. While the illusion of Utopia offers now the erasure of flavored smoke in exchange for our freedom and right to choose it. Be aware. It is the continual robbery of such small choices that will prove to be more invasive to our children's liberty than any scented vapor could be to their health. For it is better to be liberated with human flaw than to become a perfect slave.
@Neferaten Amen. Beautifully put! Obama and the Obanites are slowly raping this country...perhaps it will soon be the masses raping the asses of Washington. :-)
I tried reading Brave New World and couldn't get past the first chapter, the one about the cloning process. Congratulations to Aldous Huxley for writing the only book that's ever had a visceral effect on me. I nearly vomited, and felt nausea the whole day. I did read 1984, though, and it's one of my favourite books.
Flavoured cigarrettes and other variants are banned in all forms back here. Each company is allowed to sell only one type of cig. They've also banned publicity and smoking indoors.
Apparently Obama never took history lessons in school. I seem to remember something similar to this.. Oh, right, the prohibition on alcohol...
So, now instead of people going to the stores to buy their flavored cigs, they're gonna perform shady internet deals and black market exchanges. Thanks Government!
Its actually really funny, because (asides from those who smoke regularly) the thing most kids smoke, are exactly what you are smoking, Swishers and Black and Milds.. Not fucking cloves...
yeah i see what you mean why not make skyscrapers illegal?? because if i want to go jump off the empire state building i just might. thats my choice NOT OBAMAS.but my name is monsterdipper and yes i like to have a dip every once in a while but i dont HAVE to have it just like you im not really a dipper im a dip connisuur if you will.why not make OVEREATING illigal because if i wanna eat myself into a coma i will. and i dont smoke but if i wanna i will its a democracy.NOT a dictatorship
This is essentially allowing Philip Morris to be a government-sponsored monopoly. This does nothing to limit tobacco at all. Cigarettes aren't going anywhere because of this bill. Really, do your research.
It bans a very minimal portion of the tobacco industry and enables Philip Morris, a very large, powerful, and corrupt industry giant, to get a virtual stranglehold on the tobacco industry while only having a negative effect on smaller, independent tobacco companies. Really, go do some research on this bill. Go do some research on the percentage of smokers that smoke menthol vs. any other flavors. Do some digging and see what this bill is really about. And again: I DON'T SMOKE.
Did you even listen to what the bill does and does not do? Did you even listen to hear who was behind the bill? Did you even watch the video? If you did, and you think this "makes total sense," I fear for the future of this country. You're exactly the kind of drone they want.
your assumption that I am a drone is what makes me fear! I have an opinion, and I don't think that means I am a drone.
It bans a form of cigarettes right? Flavored and cloves? My ex-gf smoked cloves. It took a long time to get her unhooked. Doing some brief, informal internet research tells me cloves are even WORSE than tobacco.
anything that is done to limit cigs is good in my opinion. I understand they cant kill old-standing products, but the new ones, get em.
....This is a continuation of my reply to your comment. In my video I will comment about you personally. Explaining how intelligent this video is. Not only have I rated it 5 stars but I also added it to my favorites. One question I do have for you however; What is the update on this tobacco law? In other words, is it strictly being applied to cigarettes? I cannot find a true authoritative source that tells me. The bill was labeled as a tobacco bill so that I am confused about.
When I did this video, I used the Associated Press and Reuters as sources. They had been saying all flavored tobacco would be affected by this bill. Since then, it appears that this bill is going to apply to flavored *cigarettes* only. Sorry for any confusion.
And again, this isn't really about the availability (or lack there of) of cloves or any other tobacco product for that matter. This isn't about cigarettes. This is about a choice needlessly being taken away. Really. I'd love some concrete justification for this bill. This is a step down a slippery slope.
I just didn't want people to lose focus of what I'm actually talking about in this video. It's about the gradual removal of freedom. Like I said in the video, I'm not a smoker. But this bill makes me wonder what's next, and what corrupt industry giant (like Philip Morris in this case) will be behind it this time.
I agree with you on being able to make your own decisions, and while I found your vid to be a bit rehearsed, I thought it was nicely thought out.
However, let me say this: nobody's keeping you in America. You're free to hop our border whenever YOU want and go get some free flavored cigs. I hate the government's control, I hate that we get some stupid illusion of freedom, but at least they aren't restricting our passage in and out of the US.
Rehearsed? The rant was improv. I had four bullet points on a piece of paper on the table. Everything beyond that was on the fly.
Also, the assertion that I should leave the US because I disagree with a particular policy is silly and, frankly, a cop out. The people that do such a thing are like the kid that takes his ball and goes home when he doesn't win the game.
No, I'd rather stay here and voice my dissent, which I am free to do. I'd also like to stay and improve the U.S. via voting.
There is a lot I disagree with about the direction this country is headed, but make no mistake, I am happy and thankful to live here. But voicing my dissent over a foolish (and ethically questionable) bill that has become law is as American as it gets. I love this country, but the "love it or leave it" mentality of your comment is a bit over the top.
dude you smoke like a boss 4 sun 1 who dosent at all lol.. and this is soo true.... you would get yr ass kicked, but grape cigars are 4 little babies.. lol btw im def in highschool and i think .01% of kids smoke here.... but its mostly marajuana...... which is now only a 100$ fine if its under 1gram........ wtf mann
Your smart guy, and the nation truely need more people like you who can think for them self.
I smoke Cigars. not often But I do somtimes enjoy one or two and If I wanna start smoking as often as possible it should be my right not only as an American but as a human.
When I did the video, the Associated Press and Reuters were reporting that all flavored tobacco was affected by the bill. It appears now that it only applies to flavored *cigarettes*, though my sentiment remains the same. The bill is ridiculous. They should enforce the existing laws against minors smoking, not make new laws that take more choices away from adults.
First off silverladder let me say this...I am 19 years old. I am legally an adult. I am a college student and I dip smokeless tobacco on a very regular basis. I understand the dangers of oral cancer COMPLETELY. No one asked me to do it I decided that I wanted to take that risk. Not only am I a dipper but I am a YouTube dipper in the YouTube Dipping Community. With those facts being said I believe this law is assinine. I will make a video about it and put a link to this video in my sidebar....
This is just like the dumb law here in Edmonton, Canada that forbids any tobacco-selling store from putting up displays of their products, including the tobacco display shelf! Oh yeah, that's really going to stop kids from smoking, by hiding the cigarettes behind a black sheet! DURR. I don't smoke, but our gov't gets really patronizing sometimes.
We should let people do bad shit lol. Would fix the population problem. As long as you educate what the fuck that bad shit is for then I think thats Law enough. Washington can go fuck itself.
Fireblaze15 4 months ago
How about the fact that despite the crazy ammount of American tax dollars comes from the inflated tobacco tax that was enacted during the Bush admnistration, yet I can't smoke in a bar because I live near Houston? Or how in multiple states and cities across the country, I can't even smoke outdoors? Funny how a group that gives a shit ton of money to the government has no pull. Probably because I'm not the CEO of Goldman. Like Bush's entire treasury department was. The guys who deregulated banks.
Riketz 6 months ago
you can still buy cloves Shane their just little cigars now and the tip is laced with a flavor instead of the tobacco being flavored just a FYI I know you don't you smoke often
SmokingEssy7887 7 months ago
@SmokingEssy7887 Oh I know. Thanks, though. =) Keep in mind that this video is two years old. About five months later I discovered that the tobacco companies had circumvented the law by producing clove "cigars."
silverladderdotcom 7 months ago
Your absolutely right that the government is trying to protect us from ourselves, just yesterday I tried twice to buy lottery tickets with a debit card and I couldn't. The reason I could up with for this BS is that the government or state is trying to protect ADULTs (18 or older) from gambling their savings away on scratch tickets, isn't that my choice at 20 if I want to spend my money on lottery tickets, no I guess it's not anymore unless you have cash on you
SmokingEssy7887 7 months ago
@SmokingEssy7887 Wow, where do you live where they're doing that? So it isn't even a matter of buying an excessive amount of lottery tickets, it's a matter of you trying to use a debit card as opposed to cash? Crazy.
silverladderdotcom 7 months ago
@silverladderdotcom another correction I wanted to make is that you have to 19 years old to smoke in AL AK UT and NJ
SmokingEssy7887 7 months ago
@SmokingEssy7887 This is true. What I was emphasizing was more that in all 50 states, someone has to be at *least* 18 to smoke (if not older). Thank you for the input. =)
silverladderdotcom 7 months ago
It just hit me.
When do we draw the line? Like, really. I agree with your rant but...could one not say "I don't smoke crack, but I want to have the option to do so?" O_o
RuneFinity44 7 months ago
@RuneFinity44 Jumping from flavored cigarettes to crack is an extremely slippery slope.
silverladderdotcom 7 months ago
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I know my cousin wanted me to post it
RuneFinity44 7 months ago
I live in New Brunswick, Canada. Our high schools still have outdoor cigarette smoking areas in them. It is fucking great. We can smoke underage, completely legal, lawl.. Can ask people to buy smokes for us, just can't buy them ourselves. Strange, eh?
RuneFinity44 7 months ago in playlist Banning Flavored Cigarettes
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RuneFinity44 7 months ago in playlist Banning Flavored Cigarettes
Can I correct please: Actually in New york and Massachusetts it is NOT against the law for minors to smoke (parents/legal guardians can also give tobacco to minors in massachusetts within reason) it just against the law for them (minors) to say shoplift cigarettes or smoke on school grounds but you are that the majority of states have penalties for minors smoking
SmokingEssy7887 8 months ago
@SmokingEssy7887 Thanks for the corrected/updated info. I appreciate it.
silverladderdotcom 8 months ago
@silverladderdotcom your welcome also another reason they haven't banned flavored cigar (yet) is because rich people who work in the government in washington smoke them
SmokingEssy7887 8 months ago
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RuneFinity44 9 months ago
I smoke and I didn't even know flavored tobacco existed haha (:
iZaMonsterRawR 9 months ago
How is the tobacco industry corrupt?
ankskag 9 months ago
WELCOME TO THE OTHER SOVIET UNION.
61TUNER 9 months ago
WELCOME TO THE OTHER SOVIET UNION.
61TUNER 9 months ago
You talk like a libertarian. I like that :)
samrod93 9 months ago
This reminds me of the Video game issue thing. Where they are taking more and more violence out of rated M video games becouse of kids who are not suppose to be playing those games in the first place. I am not a smoker (other than hookah on rare occasion) but i agree with this 100 percent.
CresentSanctuary 10 months ago
Good vid, But theres more to the story, another conspiracy, Djarum is a company that makes clove cigarrettes, those were banned. Djarum also is an Indonesian company, Indonisia has a large muslim population. Buying clove cigs over american cigs= ??? the banning of flavored cigs is just a cover up
rtbyup23 10 months ago
VERY WELL DONE!
battlefieldtalk 10 months ago
4:43 this is true i still want to know where i can buy some all i have to smoke now is hookah and i cant Carrie that around everywhere like i did with the cloves
irvsoccer09 10 months ago
so was that the first time you smoked (this video)?
okok103 1 year ago
@okok103 No, I didn't say that. I said, "I don't smoke" (as in present tense). When this vid was filmed there had been a handful of times in my past I had smoked cigars or clove cigarettes... typically months apart, if not more. What I was saying is "I am not a smoker," as in "I don't have a personal agenda or selfish interest in this bill." I've never been one who routinely smokes., Then again, I don't smoke cannabis either but think it should be decriminalized. Hope this clarifies.
silverladderdotcom 1 year ago
Amen to you brother. Run for President, you got my vote
jewishpinoy 1 year ago
The part that really bugs me, is the idea people have about those making laws. People think that the person who makes such laws, is a big, fat republican smoking cigars and sipping his scotch, talking with his colleagues about how he's keeping the lower class down, putting crack in the ghetto, paying the Jews to create media sensations, and laughing while he's expressing such things.
Then, here comes Mr hip and cool Obama, with his new policy on flavored tobacco
m180322 1 year ago
Your actually right when you mention "what's next? Alcohol? Caffeine?..." Bye bye Four Loko, Joose, etc...
510FILMS 1 year ago 3
@510FILMS Exactly. A question I asked back in June 2009 indeed became very relevant in November/December of 2010 when they started going after Four Loko. Once again they said they were doing it "to protect the children." Never mind the fact that now college kids will simply go back to having to mix caffeinated beverages (Red Bull, Monster, Redline, etc.) with alcohol (including many forms with an ABV much higher than Four Loko's 12%) by themselves. And this makes us all safer & better how?
silverladderdotcom 1 year ago 2
@silverladderdotcom Whatever makes our government sleep at night.. But you're absolutely right about mixing alcoholic drinks, such as Jagermeister and Vodka, around 40% ABV with any sized energy drink. What I found kind of surprising was when the FDA declared the caffeinated malt beverages weren't in compliance with safety regulations and laws... then why did they end up on the shelf in the first place? Punish those who sell it to the underage, and the underage who consume it, not everyone else.
510FILMS 1 year ago
Wow! Common sense! Refreshing!
PimpMilkySaysThis 1 year ago
It seems like cigars and pipe tobacco are always exempted from these bans: The PACT Act, The flavored thing and the new law that makes it illigal to call marlboro gold pack marlboro lights.
Evan
SmokingEssy7887 1 year ago
great video
INTERPOLFAN17 1 year ago
Great video. Well said man and in my state you actually have to be 19 to purchase or poses tobacco. Which is rediculous in which that someone who is 18 can go fight and die for their country and have Americas finest men and women come to their highschool and be talked into joining one of the armed forces but at the same time can't go and buy ciggerates or smokeless tobacco like chew or dip.
zdude3007 1 year ago
i smoke cigars. and flavored cigars. we've still got em. god bless america.
professionallewis 1 year ago
You just earned a subscriber.
NeweraAaron 1 year ago
IF ITS MY CHOICE TO SMOKE THEN HELL YES IM GOING TO SMOKE ANY TOBBACCO I CAN GET AHOLD OF THAT INTERESTS ME. YES. I AM A SMOKER AND PROUD OF WHO I AM. WHY CAUSE ITS APART OF ME. EVERYONE WHO EVER DRANK WATER DIED. BUT ITS MY CHOICE IM NOT PUTTING A GUN TO A KIDS HEAD AND SAYING SMOKE A CIGGARETTE. WELL IN A SENSE THATS WHAT THE GOV. IS DOING TO ME AND SAYING I WILL GO TO JAIL FOR HARMING MYSELF AND NO ONE AROUND ME. WHEN BIG GOV. STEPS IN THEY FUCK EVERYTHING UP
khronich 1 year ago
yeah, menthol is not illegal because obama smokes menthols
inkey2 1 year ago
Sir.......You are a damn inspiration!!!
Unfortunately for me this bill has restricted me from being able to have a CHOICE! right when i turned 18. Like you said i am a self respecting kid who also wouldn't be caught dead with some sort of flavored tobacco product in school> But....like you said when i turned the legal age of being an adult which happened to be after the passing of this bill, i now cant have the OPTION to make the choice if i so please>
So thanks again, DAMN GOOD DISCUSSION
suko122589 1 year ago
smart man
hahaha1233725 1 year ago
P.M. is a cigarette company and not a tobacco company. There interest are in making cigarettes and selling them. With that, recently a bill was passed that increased the "roll your own" tobacco tax from 1 to 24 dollars per pound. Soon the next bill (H.R. 4439) will do the same with pipe and cigar tobacco. People will not roll them at home if its the same price at the store.
So really the only way to get a smoke would be buying them from PM or growing the stuff in your back yard.
EJConrad 1 year ago
nice vid.
EJConrad 1 year ago
Dude....you have an amazing way of delivering the blow with angular and precise grammar and sustaining your thought sequence. You took all factual evidence and then speculated a very objective opinion, which has deeply ingraved moral values bestowed in the simple action of our freedom of choice. You rock man. We need people like you in schools teaching young minds to think for themselves and never be scared to question society... YOU ROCK BRO
carterwatrous 1 year ago
isnt there already a law that says you have to be 18 to buy cigarettes??? And isnt it the TOBACCO thats causing all the health problems and not the "candy flavoring"?
tatomuck18 1 year ago
Another thing to add, as a smokeless user, is that Phillip Morris bought United States Smokeless Tobacco company (copenhagen and skoal) for 10.3 Billion to further their far and away control of the market share of all tobacco, not just cigarettes. We all agree that kids should not be smoking but taking freedoms from everyone in an ill fated attempt to stop its is just plain dumb. Tobacco has and will always be a livelihood in America, especially where I'm from, in the rural south.
jman0524 1 year ago
I've read brave new world and we are already a mini-version of that novel.
Pandeneer 1 year ago
Man u said it all its not a good thing 2 smoke or chew tobacco but we like 2 have the option of doing whatever we want and i think the parents of the underage kids need 2 watch over they're kids alittle more and not let them do anything like that or hang out with kids that do that the whole thing is the parents r not watching they're kids period and they can go out and do whatever they want and when the parents find out what they're kids r doin they get angry well WATCH YOUR KIDS
RoughDipper92 1 year ago
halarious, fuck yeah dude
plastique1133 1 year ago
Did you know that actually, in America, it is in fact NOT illegal for minors to smoke? Stores cannot sell them to minors, but if they get them by other means, they can then proceed in smoking them. Even though the above is true, around my parts, VT, cops have been ticketing minors for having them, and people who were caught supplying them to minors. Now, I'm not saying it;s right, but it's unconstitutional for them to do so. They obviously found so loop hole thought. What are your thoughts?
EthMan09 1 year ago
@EthMan09 THERE IS NO LOOP-HOLE. THE COPS IN YOUR STATE ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE FEDERAL CONSTITUTION. FOR ALL THAT I REALIZE WHAT SMOKING FOR 41yrs IS DOING TO MY HEALTH/WOULD,NT WISH THAT ON ANYONE,BUT THE GOVERNMENT/TOBACCO INDUSTRY,TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE UNWILLING TO MAKE ANY BRANCH OF THE GOVERNMENT STAND ON CONSTITUTIONAL LAW.
61TUNER 9 months ago
Epic video. I completely agree with you. Personally I just turned 18. I've always been against tobacco, but with becoming an adult, I like having the option, being able to make my own choices. Now tobacco is one choice I will never have now with the new bill. I say tobacco, because look at how fast they are progressing on it.
1. No more flavored tobacco
2. FSC aka congresses "inadvertent" way of getting people to quit
3. wtfk what next.
jbat3535 1 year ago
haha wow,up here in canada minors like me can not buy tobacco,but we are allowed to have it and smoke,just today i was walking down the street with a cigarette in hand and a cop car drove by,he looked at me and kept going becuz he knew he couldnt do anything :)
SliC3oFicE 1 year ago
Completely, just overwhelmed my head with complete agreement.
SFkojiro 1 year ago
....and yet another non-smoker pwns this bill.
pumarunner88 1 year ago
Very well thought out video. I completely agree if you.
Jackfirecracker 1 year ago
thats messed up man i hate cigs but this is just bothersome every time i look something new is being taken away 1st with bush and now this jerk why is it that every time we get someone new in office they suck,abuse their power, take some kind of freedom away , or just make shit harder for everyone eles , i just lost me home twice and now this shit man just put me in chains and a ball and tell me to work for free why dont you o... wait godamit thats next isnt it lol should have just shutup
sorrow413 1 year ago
I just bought some "tasty puffs" from my local tobacco shop. You put a drop of flavoring on your cig to flavor it. i got Juicy fruit flavoring. I can't smoke FSC though so I am awaiting my order of an e cig. My only consulation is that our gov't won't be getting any more tax dollars from me but I will be continuing with my nicotine addiction.
sweetniko1 1 year ago
your obviously a Libertarian - hopefully more people will start thinking and activating their brains and then we can reclaim our freedom.
FrankieTeaTime 1 year ago
where i live they still sell flavor cigars and blunts but we never had flavor cigs
dnice6491 1 year ago
@dnice6491 yea same here
graffbrian1212 1 year ago
i agree. i started smoking sadly. but it was my choice. i dont think flavored snuff, cigars, cigarettes. will change the fact that this is america, its free. i think they need to enforce the uner 18 law... but its as easy as handing an adult 5 bucks and recieving a pack of cigarettes, they cant change that.
Prankcallamerica 1 year ago
I couldn't agree with you more. The teens where I live all go for marlboro lights, menthols, or black and milds. I'm yet to see any with flavored cigarettes or cigars
bluegrassman 1 year ago
Oh, I love this video. Especially that annotation at the end.
enigma273 1 year ago
wtf no more grape blunts?
GETYOURNERDON 1 year ago
@GETYOURNERDON we still get flavored cigars just not cigarettes
graffbrian1212 1 year ago
The phrase government uses "for the children" is just a con to get people to support more unjust laws by an out of control govt. The biggest criminals in this country are the elected officials who disregard the consitution on a daily basis. Shame on them, and shame on anyone who doesn't know this.
SmokeRingsPipeDreams 1 year ago
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MrMynameisrobin 2 years ago
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MrMynameisrobin 2 years ago
1. I am not a smoker
2. Where was I promoting smoking around children?
silverladderdotcom 2 years ago
I apologise. I was commenting on the video and It irritated me to hear another person say that they should have the choice to smoke if they want to even though it kills so many millions of other people just by being in the shops. On reflection I also think that people often don@t realise what harm their freedom causes to others
MrMynameisrobin 2 years ago
@MrMynameisrobin, Not one single death has ever been proven to have been caused by smoking. There are other things that surround us and are more cancerous than cigarettes. It's just a risk factor. Like alcohol, fried foods and milk.
pharaoh337 1 year ago
Just curious if you'd take the same stance on marijuana. While I don't smoke and have never smoked pot, I think it's ludicrous that the money and resources poured into our "war on drugs" is overwhelmingly focused on controlling and prosecuting marijuana growers and users. Stupid in my opinion. It's no more dangerous than alcohol and is far less dangerous to your health than tobacco. I think if adults want to smoke pot, they should be able to do so legally.
ITSBRYINDY 2 years ago 4
While I'm not about to act like it's harmless (what is?), cannabis concerns me less than alcohol. As an adult that has spent plenty of time around both people consuming alcohol and people consuming cannabis, I can genuinely say that current cannabis prohibition laws are ridiculous and give power to the wrong people. Research the origin of cannabis becoming illegal and what the motivations behind it were. Big tobacco, alcohol companies, and big pharma are huge proponents of the war on drugs.
silverladderdotcom 2 years ago 3
I agree...I know some of the history behind the demonization of marijuana in the US, but it's not something I know a lot about. I see no issue with making it legal for responsible adults as long was we have the appropriate regulations and laws in place. Of course, it's political suicide for any politician to say any of this.
ITSBRYINDY 2 years ago 3
@ITSBRYINDY - Funny how in 2010, a year when we have very real threats of physical harm from all directions, the U.S. government still spends so much time, effort, resources, and taxpayer money on combating a plant. A PLANT. If an adult who is of age consumes cannabis and does not act in a way that compromises someone else's safety or liberty, I think it's no one's business. It doesn't concern me. Why should it be treated any different than alcohol? Those who fear it know nothing about it
silverladderdotcom 2 years ago 5
@ITSBRYINDY het man have you read what 1 "joint" has in it? Take all the negative chemicals in 1 whole pack of Camel non-filter cigarettes then add 20 known " carcinogens" ( cancer causing agents). Besides Prez Obama is still the biggest hypocrite.
3RWE3 1 year ago
@ITSBRYINDY correction, its waaaay safer, and healthier than alcohol, and even tylenol etc. you cant overdose on the good ole herbs.. you'd have to smoke like 15,000 blunts at one time, and even then you die of the smoke, and that harm rather any properties in cannibus. total bullshit, but we cant complain, we let it happen, it is a plant like we all say, which means it can be sown. even george washinton said to "sow the indian hemp seed wherever you can" (in loose wording)
jmuckeroy 6 months ago
The first cigarette I ever smoked was a menthol. I was 14 and I liked it cause it tasted minty.
I totally agree with what you are saying. I think the bill is good as in on the right track, but they shouldn't ban these ciggarettes because they think kids are going to smoke them.
They are kind of out of their place on trying to do the right thing here.
MarisaSzapiel 2 years ago
Bidis, clove cigarettes contain higher concentrations of nicotine, meaning they're more prone for addiction.
Although I agree w/ you to some degree; running is, in most cases, a very beneficial form of exercise- while smoking is not. Trans-fat is extremely harmful to consumers. Trans-fat is a cheap alternative to making fast/ packaged foods with only harm done on the consumer's behalf.
While I agree with you, running and trans-fat may not have been the most ideal examples.
ADmissive 2 years ago
Nonetheless, you got my point. And you're preaching to the choir on the running. I lift weights five days a week and do sprint interval cardio three days a week.
Please provide documentation on cloves having higher concentrations of nicotine.
No one benefited via this bill but the biggest of big tobacco.
silverladderdotcom 2 years ago
have they banned smoking in public places yet ... that happened already here in the UK
abominableangel 2 years ago
YES. I agree entirely. Well presented and well made points. Thank you.
alxrbk 2 years ago
We shouldn't have a government in the first place.
ocelot814 2 years ago
dont say that man they might do it! you never no with thes fools lol. nice vid,
44skulz 2 years ago
Also, President Obama smokes Menthols.
Runningbull101 2 years ago
Hey Jake
Your right on the Money Kid,But Jake,Look How they CONDONE ALCOHOL,Now They CLAIM there is no LIGHT CIGARETTE which is BULL,But there are LIGHT BEERS,Which is a LIE TOO,And Jake,If they REALLY WANT to protect Kids and Everyone else GO AFTER ALCOHOL Like they did SMOKERS...Smokers Don't KILL OTHER PEOPLE.....PERIOD
Nostraden63 2 years ago
smoke some weed
wcchalo 2 years ago
spoken like a true patriot. i certainly dont need anyone else telling me what is best for me. whats next, my neighbor gets to decide what type of car i purchase? or how about what kind of dog i can own? slippery slope were on here people
jadedforlyfe 2 years ago
Who cares if kids start smoking? parents should be the ones who stop kids from smoking, not the govt.
stupidant007 2 years ago
in addition to that, cigarettes are also being taxed to hell in my state, you pay anywhere from $6.50 to $7 on cigs whenever you have to buy them, is that supposed to be some gimmick to extort more money from from the consumer under the "guise" of lessoning the amount of cigarettes being consumed? its ridiculous
SorrowsDemiseRaven 2 years ago
@SorrowsDemiseRaven protip: order them online. find a reputible dealer and go that route. why pay taxes to a government that doesnt follow the people that elected it.
jadedforlyfe 2 years ago
This is just another example of the same shit you will get when liberals are in charge, and hell when its all over and obama is done with his terms, he feels relieved now because all he has to do is say that bush started it, and its all over.
ClanSprain 2 years ago
Do kids really smoke unfiltered Lucky Strikes? There's only one store around here that sells them, and I don't know anyone who uses them.
They are good smokes though.
MurderSoul216 2 years ago
i want my grape cigars and hookah ! omg . :[
allibaby94 2 years ago
Amen brotha amen! Sorta on the same subject... I think insurance companies are a bunch of dirty low life money sucking douche bags, however,I don't want to see our government take over health care. Wait a few more years, anything the government sees fit they're gonna ban or put a gigantic tax on. Sugar is the next enemy on their agenda I would imagine.
Freedom!
Mayhem900 2 years ago
you know what, your already too late, in California, theres a SODA tax!
ValisFan2 2 years ago
word bro im 19 and i smoke cloves its my right and my choice! respect to u you great video
yankboy13 2 years ago 2
Totally agree,but try living in Australia where they'll ban just about anything "for our own good" including e-cigarettes and "R" rated video games from adults.Totally insane.
awal7505 2 years ago 2
question where do you stand on abortion and same sex marriages?
shagurl212 2 years ago
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MrNightOwl88 2 years ago
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MrNightOwl88 2 years ago
i am also not a smoker, but just of legal age to buy tobacco products and this bill is the stupidest thing i have ever heard. i know more kids that smoke/chew nonflavored tobacco than flavored. taking this freedom away upsets me, even as a non-tobacco user. its pointless and there are SO MANY more things congress could be worrying about than freaking tobacco.
Amanda7273 2 years ago 2
The flavored tobacco bill is just another example of the control lobbys over Congress (in this case a ban of, largely foreign made, flavored tobacco products) . I think its time we restarted the American Democratic practice. Recall all Senators and Representatives and make a fresh start without a party system or corporate influence.
bgordon647 2 years ago
How do we insist on calling this nation "the land of the free" while at the same time passing shit like this? Americans in general fail to see that their freedom is being seized everyday, little by little. Whether you agree or disagree with smoking, you better fight for your right to MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS. Even if it doesn't affect you, one day the end of that same gun will be pointed at you. By that time it'll be too late to protest; you would have already seized that right. I wish you luck.
TheMexicanMofo 2 years ago 2
I agree completely. Glad to see you've taken notice of what's going on. It concerns me when people learn about this bill (and legislation like it) and *don't* get upset about it. I wonder if they're ignorant or just apathetic.
silverladderdotcom 2 years ago
Is flavoured smokeless tobacco illegal? Dip?
magic09ls 2 years ago
Smokeless tobacco is not affected by this bill at all.
silverladderdotcom 2 years ago
In my opinion, the olive branch on the Great Seal of the United States should be replaced with that of a tobacco leaf.
After all, it took three smokers to defeat the non-smoker Adolph Hitler during WW II.Roosevelt (cigarettes), Churchill (cigars) and Stalin who smoked a pipe.
ciro9 2 years ago 5
I am so glad I had the pleasure to read this comment. Made my day now I will take this knowledge to my American Government and American History classes today! LOL.
CopenSomeGrizzly 2 years ago
yes, and dont forget that america was partially founded on tobacco and tobacco states such as virginia.
fauxshizzlee 2 years ago 2
Food for thought: Adolph Hitler had the most comprehensive anti-smoking initiatives of all time. An odd similarity...
EarlPitsII 2 years ago 2
I love the comment that they should make running illegal. That would give them the right to search you and arrest you for it. Further eroding our rights...
mmcdonald2k 2 years ago
Vanilla blunt wraps where soo good.
But I dont really care for Tobacco either, unless pipes are still around.
Kevinjamesprojects 2 years ago
yeah im totally gunna go to shool saying "i smoke flavored cigars" just to be cool. if i wanted to be cool i smoke regualar cigs but i dont.
MackLordOfDarkness77 2 years ago
E-cigs have the potential to knock PM and RJR off thier pedestal...I went from 2 packs Marlboro a day to none...I now vape and have never felt better I can see a lotta BS coming down the pike the next couple of months/years!
dereck72 2 years ago
man im only 15 i smoked. i dip.
but its our fault. for doing it. adults have the rite to do wutever. just like you said you wana kill yourself. no one should stop you.. if you wann smoke so be it. flavored not flavored. who cares!. i agreee
FETZER777 2 years ago
so that means electronic cigarette's also dont stand a chance :(,,,,but saying that it's not like im a law abiding citizen anyways so it aint gonna apply to me even if they start this kinda shit over here,,,not saying im a criminal,i just dont go along with everything these fat cat's say we can and cant smoke,although all i smoke now are electronic cigarette's,,,all the laws are backward anyway,,,so much so all these high profile's must be rolling around pissing themselves with laughter,,..
SteveMontuno 2 years ago
Aren't electronic cigs completely harmless? I thought they were a way to feed a nicotine addiction without actually smoking and were intended as a way to break the habit. They also seem pretty effective to me. With any luck they won't be banned.
powerpc127 2 years ago
"Too much happiness"- I love that! Obama and his big special interest groups will try their best to ban that as well.
LIVECOVERAGE2009 2 years ago
GREAT video! Its nice to know that someone is paying attention to politics!
winfactory1 2 years ago
This is so right on! I love the point... "Enforce the existing laws." This goes for a lot more than just tobacco products people. I don't need to be protected from myself either! We should be able to govern our personal selves. My opinion, American government is too active in legislating our daily lives. They need to take a step back from "saving us from ourselves." Maybe we all need to take more civil action and bring this country back to THE PEOPLE! Note to government- YOU WORK FOR US!
cheejay17 2 years ago
Is hookah bars/products banned as well?
Xmollybabyy 2 years ago
Pipe tobacco was exempted from this law, so shisha is still legal for now.
rcrossl653 2 years ago
Key phrase: "For now."
silverladderdotcom 2 years ago
hahaha.... If someone see's you hit yourself with a brick repeatedly... You would be put on a 72 hour hold in California. 'Danger to yourself'. Just sayin...
And I agree with your video! I love Djarum cigarettes - only smoke like 1 a week; give or take a couple when I go out.
Exactly what I said, why make a new law when kids couldn't smoke legally in the first place...
some ppl are soo... ignorant! or paid off.
melopez24 2 years ago
Omg. I'm not going to lie. You're pretty sexy.
CoolDude8675309 2 years ago
i say they need to leaglize everything. if drugs are so bad as a whole the irresponsible people will indeed kill themselves and its their right to do so
badassrpg 2 years ago
it's a ban on flavored tobacco... not cigarettes.
clayfromsanantonio 2 years ago
Who said cigarettes were being banned? I missed that.
Yes, it's a ban on flavored tobacco... in cigarette form. Therefore, flavored cigarettes are now illegal to sell in the United States.
And for the umpteenth time: This really isn't about tobacco. I think people are still missing the point. This might as well have been a ban on fast food, or soda, or alcohol, or caffeine. I would have felt the same way. I don't care about cigarettes or tobacco. I care about freedom of choice for adults
silverladderdotcom 2 years ago
i meant not just cigarettes. it includes cigarillos... but candy flavored cigarettes and cigarillos are also to get kids to start smoking. one of my friends started smoking those flavored black and milds when she was 13 or 14. that is the point in the ban. but the fda will soon ban all flavored tobacco products and possibly menthol.
clayfromsanantonio 2 years ago
Agreed.
EricZombie 2 years ago
It's a ban on on flavoring in cigarettes or any of it's components, whether that's the filter or flavored rolling papers.
rcrossl653 2 years ago
Be content in your humanity, comfortable enough to enjoy its perfect imperfections, even its decadence. While the illusion of Utopia offers now the erasure of flavored smoke in exchange for our freedom and right to choose it. Be aware. It is the continual robbery of such small choices that will prove to be more invasive to our children's liberty than any scented vapor could be to their health. For it is better to be liberated with human flaw than to become a perfect slave.
Neferaten 2 years ago 5
Neferaten nailed it. End of story.
silverladderdotcom 2 years ago
@Neferaten Amen. Beautifully put! Obama and the Obanites are slowly raping this country...perhaps it will soon be the masses raping the asses of Washington. :-)
chemisry1 1 year ago
I tried reading Brave New World and couldn't get past the first chapter, the one about the cloning process. Congratulations to Aldous Huxley for writing the only book that's ever had a visceral effect on me. I nearly vomited, and felt nausea the whole day. I did read 1984, though, and it's one of my favourite books.
Flavoured cigarrettes and other variants are banned in all forms back here. Each company is allowed to sell only one type of cig. They've also banned publicity and smoking indoors.
salsaman1991 2 years ago
5/5!
DjElektus 2 years ago
Apparently Obama never took history lessons in school. I seem to remember something similar to this.. Oh, right, the prohibition on alcohol...
So, now instead of people going to the stores to buy their flavored cigs, they're gonna perform shady internet deals and black market exchanges. Thanks Government!
AisuSeijin 2 years ago 4
Its actually really funny, because (asides from those who smoke regularly) the thing most kids smoke, are exactly what you are smoking, Swishers and Black and Milds.. Not fucking cloves...
fat862 2 years ago 3
They just need to make weed legal then everyone would be a loooooooooot happier
edubchrist 2 years ago
Its bad because people are going to go to great lengths and to bad places to pick up the flavored tobbacco
crad650 2 years ago
yeah i see what you mean why not make skyscrapers illegal?? because if i want to go jump off the empire state building i just might. thats my choice NOT OBAMAS.but my name is monsterdipper and yes i like to have a dip every once in a while but i dont HAVE to have it just like you im not really a dipper im a dip connisuur if you will.why not make OVEREATING illigal because if i wanna eat myself into a coma i will. and i dont smoke but if i wanna i will its a democracy.NOT a dictatorship
thanks
monsterdipper 2 years ago
This is essentially allowing Philip Morris to be a government-sponsored monopoly. This does nothing to limit tobacco at all. Cigarettes aren't going anywhere because of this bill. Really, do your research.
silverladderdotcom 2 years ago
It bans a very minimal portion of the tobacco industry and enables Philip Morris, a very large, powerful, and corrupt industry giant, to get a virtual stranglehold on the tobacco industry while only having a negative effect on smaller, independent tobacco companies. Really, go do some research on this bill. Go do some research on the percentage of smokers that smoke menthol vs. any other flavors. Do some digging and see what this bill is really about. And again: I DON'T SMOKE.
silverladderdotcom 2 years ago
the bill makes total sense. The cigarette companies are doing everything they can do keep people hooked to their product.
jasonbrianmerrill 2 years ago
Did you even listen to what the bill does and does not do? Did you even listen to hear who was behind the bill? Did you even watch the video? If you did, and you think this "makes total sense," I fear for the future of this country. You're exactly the kind of drone they want.
silverladderdotcom 2 years ago
i watched the video.
your assumption that I am a drone is what makes me fear! I have an opinion, and I don't think that means I am a drone.
It bans a form of cigarettes right? Flavored and cloves? My ex-gf smoked cloves. It took a long time to get her unhooked. Doing some brief, informal internet research tells me cloves are even WORSE than tobacco.
anything that is done to limit cigs is good in my opinion. I understand they cant kill old-standing products, but the new ones, get em.
jasonbrianmerrill 2 years ago
....This is a continuation of my reply to your comment. In my video I will comment about you personally. Explaining how intelligent this video is. Not only have I rated it 5 stars but I also added it to my favorites. One question I do have for you however; What is the update on this tobacco law? In other words, is it strictly being applied to cigarettes? I cannot find a true authoritative source that tells me. The bill was labeled as a tobacco bill so that I am confused about.
CopenSomeGrizzly 2 years ago
When I did this video, I used the Associated Press and Reuters as sources. They had been saying all flavored tobacco would be affected by this bill. Since then, it appears that this bill is going to apply to flavored *cigarettes* only. Sorry for any confusion.
silverladderdotcom 2 years ago
You can still purchase them via importation,legally.
Lobotomyu 2 years ago
Yeah, but at what cost?
silverladderdotcom 2 years ago
Hmm;about 22.50 a carton and Five dollars for shipping.
Lobotomyu 2 years ago
And again, this isn't really about the availability (or lack there of) of cloves or any other tobacco product for that matter. This isn't about cigarettes. This is about a choice needlessly being taken away. Really. I'd love some concrete justification for this bill. This is a step down a slippery slope.
silverladderdotcom 2 years ago
I agree to this;I was just offering some hope.
Lobotomyu 2 years ago
I know. I appreciate it.
I just didn't want people to lose focus of what I'm actually talking about in this video. It's about the gradual removal of freedom. Like I said in the video, I'm not a smoker. But this bill makes me wonder what's next, and what corrupt industry giant (like Philip Morris in this case) will be behind it this time.
Thanks for the comments and the import info. =)
silverladderdotcom 2 years ago
you really said this well. i totally see this as the insigatator of slowly taking away freedoms also
MechInvent 2 years ago
Great points.
Howlinblind 2 years ago
doesn't Obama smoke? the government just keeps pushing and pushing...wonder when we the people are gonna push back.
luckyhubbie 2 years ago
We can't. We saw Obama comming, yet we voted him in. This is all our fault.
The fearful and naive are always drawn to charismatic radicals
TheSeditionary 2 years ago
I agree with you on being able to make your own decisions, and while I found your vid to be a bit rehearsed, I thought it was nicely thought out.
However, let me say this: nobody's keeping you in America. You're free to hop our border whenever YOU want and go get some free flavored cigs. I hate the government's control, I hate that we get some stupid illusion of freedom, but at least they aren't restricting our passage in and out of the US.
astr323 2 years ago
Rehearsed? The rant was improv. I had four bullet points on a piece of paper on the table. Everything beyond that was on the fly.
Also, the assertion that I should leave the US because I disagree with a particular policy is silly and, frankly, a cop out. The people that do such a thing are like the kid that takes his ball and goes home when he doesn't win the game.
No, I'd rather stay here and voice my dissent, which I am free to do. I'd also like to stay and improve the U.S. via voting.
silverladderdotcom 2 years ago
There is a lot I disagree with about the direction this country is headed, but make no mistake, I am happy and thankful to live here. But voicing my dissent over a foolish (and ethically questionable) bill that has become law is as American as it gets. I love this country, but the "love it or leave it" mentality of your comment is a bit over the top.
silverladderdotcom 2 years ago
Well-said.
senatus 2 years ago
dude you smoke like a boss 4 sun 1 who dosent at all lol.. and this is soo true.... you would get yr ass kicked, but grape cigars are 4 little babies.. lol btw im def in highschool and i think .01% of kids smoke here.... but its mostly marajuana...... which is now only a 100$ fine if its under 1gram........ wtf mann
Benz0Rollin 2 years ago
Amen Brother, I agree with you 100%.
Your smart guy, and the nation truely need more people like you who can think for them self.
I smoke Cigars. not often But I do somtimes enjoy one or two and If I wanna start smoking as often as possible it should be my right not only as an American but as a human.
Silentbob77772002 2 years ago
I am so pissed about this law. i roll my spliffs with clove.
Now i have to smoke my illegal substance with another illegal substance?
wtf.
so much for freedoms
calebblock 2 years ago 3
yea true that.
irushhhh 2 years ago
no flavored blunts?!
irushhhh 2 years ago
When I did the video, the Associated Press and Reuters were reporting that all flavored tobacco was affected by the bill. It appears now that it only applies to flavored *cigarettes*, though my sentiment remains the same. The bill is ridiculous. They should enforce the existing laws against minors smoking, not make new laws that take more choices away from adults.
silverladderdotcom 2 years ago
First off silverladder let me say this...I am 19 years old. I am legally an adult. I am a college student and I dip smokeless tobacco on a very regular basis. I understand the dangers of oral cancer COMPLETELY. No one asked me to do it I decided that I wanted to take that risk. Not only am I a dipper but I am a YouTube dipper in the YouTube Dipping Community. With those facts being said I believe this law is assinine. I will make a video about it and put a link to this video in my sidebar....
CopenSomeGrizzly 2 years ago
This is just like the dumb law here in Edmonton, Canada that forbids any tobacco-selling store from putting up displays of their products, including the tobacco display shelf! Oh yeah, that's really going to stop kids from smoking, by hiding the cigarettes behind a black sheet! DURR. I don't smoke, but our gov't gets really patronizing sometimes.
datalal624 2 years ago
silly law
DeadEndJustice13 2 years ago