:) Lets try again. I will simplify it. You often quote "Srila Prabhupada said SSM was the head of the severe offenders party" which obviously gives the impression to people that SP considered SSM to be a severe offender too. Do you think SP considered SSM to be a severe offender from 1936 onwards?
@infoment1 Prabhupada said that Sridara mj is a leader of the severe offenders, along with Madhava and Professor Sannyal. He said that Professor Sannyal was the most advanced of these three because he was "killed by Krishna so he could not make further offense by supporting bogus gurus," and so died soon after 1936. In other words Professor Sannyal was the most advanced of the group because he was killed right away, whereas Sridhara went on supporting bogus gurus for 50 more years. ys
@infoment1 He said that all of his followers were struggling and barely not coming up to the kanistha standard, so that would include all of his followers including those he had already given sannyasa to, yes. He also said Tamal is ruining my movement and he has to go to China and so on, so he had made many negative comments against these sannyasas he already had made on a regular daily basis. He also writes that the leaders are not chanting their rounds and following in 1976. ys
@infoment1 Yes, he told us not to visit his ashram in 1971 when Sridhara people were calling Prabhupada the guru of the hippies, he told us to never go there, he is not authorized. And later in 1977 he said Sridhara is the leader of the severe offenders party, so he always criticized these God brothers. ys pd
@pada1008 You say "he told us not to visit his ashram in 1971" OK, but after this, SP still visited SSM's math taking his disciples with him. In 1973, SP visited SSM's math with his disciples, at that time SP said "Sridhar Maharaj lived in my house for years, we had very intimate talks and he was my good advisor. I took his advices, instructions, very seriously, I know that he is a pure Vaishnava, a pure devotee"...why do you think SP did this after instructing to never to go there in 1971?
@infoment1 Prabhupada was diplomatic to build Mayapura project. He wanted Sridhara to curb more envious elements like Madhava mj, Sridhara's best friend. At the same time, he never changed his 1974 letter saying Sridhara is a deviant. He also wrote that we should not visit any matha of any of the God brothers. He also told us it is spiritual prostitution to go to them. You have to keep all the quotes in context. Sridhara supported homosexual gurus after 1936 and again after 77. He is deviant.
@infoment1 You have to stick with after 1965 when Prabhupada was making his own mission. He told us not to visit Sridhara after his followers laughed at us and Himavati came back crying, saying Sridhara people are calling Prabhupada "guru of the hippies." You have to see that he was trying to separate his followers from the Gaudiya Matha and Sridhara in particular for his tendency to promote bogus gurus. You have to see that Sridhara promoted the GBC as gurus, that is all deviation.
@pada1008 I'm looking at the years prior to 1965 because of what you yourself assert i.e that SP thought SSM to be so offensive for what happened in the few years after 1936. But based on SP's affectionate, respectful dealings with SSM in those years (living with him, preaching with him, consulting him about his Gita commentary etc) I think any reasonable minded person would have to conclude that SP didn't think SSM to be offensive at all. Which is a totally opposite idea to what you promote.
@infoment1 Srila Prabhupada gave the whole history that Sridhara Maharaja created a homosexual guru mess in the Gaudiya Matha which got dissenters murdered and this made into horrible newspaper media stories. And after 1977 SM supported the same homosexual guru program that ruined ISKCON. Srila Prabhupada said in 1977 that Sridhara is the founder of the sever offenders party. Are you saying that it is ok to promote homosexuals as gurus and have dissenters murdered, the SM trademark program? ys
@pada1008 And how do you think SP felt about SSM as a result of what happened in the few years just after the passing of Bhaktisddhanta Saraswati Thakur? SSM was the head of a severe offenders party back in 1936 - 39...ok....but how do you think SP felt about SSM because of this?
@infoment1 Srila Prabhupada told us that Sridhara Maharaja unauthorizedly selected an acharya and HE INSISTED ON IT and as such he defied the orders of guru, and he caused the breakdown of the matha. He probably felt quite disappointed. So he said "do not commit this same mistake in ISKCON." Except Sridhara commited the same mistake and backed more bogus gurus, he never learnt his lesson, and so SSM made more homosexual gurus and more murders and so forth, SM never learnt the lesson. ys pd
@pada1008 In 1973, when visiting SSM's math, SP recalled events that took place in 1940s/50s, like SP hosting SSM in his house in Calcutta, letting SSM use rooms in his house as a preaching base for SSM's math, having in depth spiritual discussions with SSM, taking advice from SSM in the writing of Bhagavad Gita As It Is, going preaching with SSM. Why would SP do all this in the 40s/50s if he had genuinely written SSM off as a deviant in the few years following 1936?
@infoment1 No, he suspended making more sannyasa. And he also said that they were not even kanisthas. No, he did not remove the sannyasa of the few who remained, but he said no more should be made since they were mostly falling down. ys pd
@infoment1 He said at the same time that he suspended sannyasa (January 1977) that most of his followers in general were not even kanisthas, he said strict brahmana is kanistha, and his followers are mostly not on that platform. Yes, it was a general statement, kanistha is a strict thing, his followers, not so strict. Amazing, after saying they are barely kanistha Sridhara and Narayana maharaja thought they were acharyas. ys pd
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pada108, by sadhu-ninda I mean your offensive attitude towards Srila BR Sridhar Maharaj, who was requested by Srila Prabhupada to become president of ISKCON, with whom Prabhupada shared his vyasasan, whom Prabhupada consulted in his preaching, etc.. So who was he? If you would listen him you would understand that not every one is on the same level, there are different levels of acharyas, sannyasis, gurus, etc, etc. It is childish to think in terms of black / white, hell / heaven, good / bad.DA
Srila Prabhupada said Sridhara maharaja is the leader of the severe offenders Bagh Bazzar party, because Sridhara made a deviant into a guru in 1936. Now you are telling me I need to consult with the cheif of the severe offender party? SP then said, his followers are not fit for sannyasa, so you folks made hundreds of more deviants into gurus once again, after 1977. Yes it is black and white, deviants are acharyas and messiahs. It is childish to think that the village drunk is the messiah.
@pada1008 You say "SP then said, his followers are not fit for sannyasa" by "his followers" do you mean his own followers i.e that Srila Prabhupada said his own followers are not fit for sannyasa? Or are you saying that Srila Prabhupada said that Srila Sridhar Maharaja's followers are not fit for sannyasa? Not clear to me what you mean, please clarify.
@pada1008 still not clear what you are saying, sorry. One step at a time please: Are you saying that Srila Prabhupada said that his own followers are not fit for sannyasa? or are you saying that Srila Prabhupada said that Srila Sridhar Maharaja's followers are not fit for sannyasa?
@infoment1 Srila Prabhupada said HIS FOLLOWERS are not fit for sannyasa, and he said Sridhara maharaja is NOT FIT to be an acharya. Since Sridhara Maharaja is not fit to be an acharya, his sannyasa followers are in illusion thinking that he is an acharya, people who are in illusion are not bona fide sannyasa either. ys pd
@infoment1 He said he tried to make them sannyasas, and it was not working. He saw that they were failing, so he suspended sannyasa. After saying they are not fit for sannyasa, Sridhara and Narayana maharaja then said they are fit to be acharyas! How can people unfit for sannyasa be fit to be the messiahs of the jagat? ys pd
Sridhara Maharaja promoted the GBCs homosexual and molester gurus after 1977, now this is not "good / bad / black / white?" So thousands of children were molested by BR Sridhara's promoting these molesters as messiahs, and this is not good / bad / black / white? You mean, you do not know that molesters are not messiahs? Its too good / bad for you to figure out? ys pd
Hei pada108, so you think you have figure it all out? Taken things out of context and presenting them like some sort of "proof" giving yourself a license for bashing every one including Srila BR Sridhar Maharaj, the close friend of Prabhupada. Obviously you missed a chance to be charmed by DivyaVani of Sridhar Maharaj so what can you say. It is all faithless ruble of cripple mind. Without reference to shastra you are simply hurting yourself and some of a weak faith. The sadhu-ninda. Dark future.
@WalterMatyas OK let me get this straight, people who are not fit for sannyasa are fit to be acharyas/ gurus / messiahs -- its all a question of the context? People who are engaged in illicit sex are messiahs, its all how you look at it? I think you have not taken your meds today. Sorry, people who are falling down left, right and center are not messiahs, this is understood by anyone over the age of seven. OK, except yourself. thanks pd
And who made them sanyasis? Srila Sridhar Maharaja or Srila Prabhupad? DUH!! I now realize, this is useless. Logic is not your forte. Hate is.
When Srila Sridhar Maharaja came to the opening of Mayapur Math ( when Srila Prabhupad put him ON THE VYASASANA ), that afternoon Srila Prabhupad had Srila Sridhar Maharaj rest in his bed while he ( Srila Prabhupad ) rested next to him on the floor. Yet YOU feel qualified to disparage him. Just like the GBC and "Archaryas" did.
@chalchihualpan OK, they are not fit for sannyasa and yes, Sridhara said they are gurus. So they are not fit for sannyasa, and Sridhara thought they were acharyas, where is the respect then, saying unfit people are acharya? Yes, Srila Prabhuapada said some nice things about Sridhara, but that does not authorize him to make fools into acharyas. So SM's acharyas were orchestrating molesting of ISKCON children, and this is your idea of "respect for Srila Prabhupada"? What! ys pd
so when a couple of iskon leaders say oh prabhupada said sridhara maharaja would be our advisor its lies but when they say sridhara maharaja said let devient gurus get on with it its truth?
@krish108 Yes, Sridhara Maharaja was the biggest ghost writer for the GBC's orginal 1978 documents, he helped them set up the zonal guru deviation, guru voting deviation, gurus fall down and become demons deviation, etc. and when people came and told him about these gurus devations, he defended keeping them in the post of guru. Yes, this is all true. ys pd
hmm i think there is no reason for me to believe this not that it would make a difference to my life if i did believe it. but to my mind it seems iskon marginalised narayan maharaja and sridhara mahaja and stopped taking advice from anyone. i think its better to look within iskon then trying to blame someone outside it. isnt it obvious if someone is taking LSD it needs to stop. just from reading prabhupadas books it is easy to know this.
@krish108 For example in 1978 the GBC report was made "in consultation with higher authorities" (Sridhara). Later the whole guru reform, and the rasika gopi club of the GBC gurus was headed by "advice" from Narayana Maharaja. The Sridhar and Naranaya folks said that I was an envious rascal as soon as I announced that child molesters are not God's guru successors. Yes, that makes the responsible, according to Vedic law, the supporters are implicated in the policy they support. ys pd
@pada1008 we dont follow vedc law. if we did people would be getting murdered and their toungues cut out. i dont know much about sridhara or narayan maharaja but you also have to place blame on srila prabhupada. he made an error in judgment. he lost control of the situation. he also set up the schools without proper checks and safety against child abuse. ISKON was in trouble well before 1978. the first case of child abuse was reported in 1972 little was done to protect against.
@krish108 Well Jesus lost control of Judas and was killed, Krishna lost control of the Kauravas, the Kauravas refused to listen to Krishna, but you sir are better than Jesus and Krishna, everyone should listen to you. Got it. ys pd
Srila Sridhar Maharaja was TOLD that Srila Prabhupad made them gurus! That was the info he had, and in fact, it WAS Srila Prabhupad who gave Bhavananda, Jayapataka etc so much power. HE put them in charge of Mayapur, etc (why??! ). Srila Sridhar Maharaja told them their guru-worship was too opulent ! ( SPD letter to GBC ). Also, Pradyumna das personally told me that Srila Prabhupad told him to ask Srila Sridhar Maharaja for help finishing the Bhagavatam. Hare Krishna.
@chalchihualpan If I am told that the town drunk is another Jesus, and I believe that, who is the fool, the town drunk or me? Now, worship of the town drunk is "too opulent" or not? WHAT? Why are you worshipping the town drunk -- at all? Yes, they were managers, not gurus. Srila Prabhupada said in January of 1977 that they ARE NOT fit for sannyasa, and then Sridhara thought that a few months later, May of 1977, the people not fit for sannasa are acharyas. Not fit for sannyasa means acharyas?
I am wondering if you know of or knew the devotee's that first came to Australia to preach Krishna to us here, I met the movement in about 1971 ? I remember Upendra das had a lasting impression on me that is for sure, I would certainly like to know where he is now.
Only a nonsense criticizer of pure Vaisnavas would put something like this up.
All you say is second hand rumor and vicious misinterpretation of Srila Sridhara
Maharaja's mood. "severe offender" is a lie in the first place. "promoted Homosexuals as gurus" is another lie. It is easy to slander a person when a Vaisnava is not present, but nothing you said is verifiable. You twist ever phrase. What is the purpose of criticizing Srila Sridhara Maharaja? Only a sick person would dare criticize SSM.
@Tirthapada Srila Prabhupada said Sridhara Maharaja is the leader of the severe offender Bagh Bazaar party. Why is this a lie? When I said illicit sex, drugs, and offering LSD to the shalagram is bogus, Sridhara Maharaja said "none should protest." I have not distorted anything, I lived it. ys pd
and yet Srila Prabhupad let Srila Sridhar Maharaj use his home to establish a Temple, offered him to be President of Iskcon, sent his sister to him for 2nd initiation, called him "your Divine Master" in a letter to Srila Govinda Maharaj etc etc, Either Srila Prabhupad was a liar and fake, or insane, if your ramblings are fact. Fortianately they are not---this is a hodge podge of misunderstood quotes and downright lies. Now you can return to your channel of ignorant Vaishnav aparadha.
@chalchihualpan Thanks yes, but Sridhara refused to take the role of president because he wanted to be the acharya. In any case, whatever Sridhara did before 1977, after 1977 he helped push persons engaged in illicit sex as acharyas in ISKCON. If he had any real respect for Srila Prabhupada, why did he put dogs in the seat of his good friend and acharya? If I love my grand father, do I let the dog sit in his seat? No, there was no respect shown, Sridhara wanted deviants in the seat of guru.
Dear Pada, you are somewhat right. I was in sankirtana with a former SP's disciple having taking diksa again fro BRS maharaja. He , as party leader engage me in mundane activities with a rich junky lady, like restaurant and taking money from her and even wanted to coplulate with her . Fortunately , the husband of this lady stopped this game by forbiden us to enter her house for a so called nama hatta.This "devotee" whose name was Vira vrata and initiated as Bindhu Madhava by BRS Maharaja .
@kirttan Thanks prabhu, yes false gurus are destined for the most obnoxious regions, Sridhara Maharaja is the biggest cheer leader of false gurus, so they are birds of a feather, you are correct. ys pd
The fact is that Prabhupada and Bhaktisiddhanta have not never spoken about Sridhara Maharaja like you are doing. Why I would have to consider your opinion? I consider the opinion of the acharyas, not yours. Prabhupada said "I knew that he was a pure devotee of Krsna. So, I wanted to associate with him" and Bhaktisiddhanta said "Sridhar Maharaja is one of the finest preachers of Krsna consciousness in the world". Therefore, if you say the opposite you are against them.
Yes, I am opposed to Sridhara maharaja's 1936 and 1977 homosexual gurus program, yes I do NOT think that homosexuals are acharyas. After 1977, I said that the 11 are bogus, Sridhara Maharaja defended the 11, even when Tamal, Hansadutta, Ramesvara, Jayatirtha were found in bad deeds, Sridhara still propped them up, he said "none should protest." The result of SM supporting the homosexual and pedophile guru program was: thousands of kids were molested. And now you are proud of that? Why? ys pd
No, you are opposed to the opinion of Srila Prabhupada and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta. I agree with them: Sridhara Maharaja was a pure devotee, one of the finest preachers of Krsna consciousness in the world and a vaisnava that "has such a high realization of Krsna that one would faint to hear them". If you are against to these statements, you are totally bogus.
WILLAIMS ANGELA (NM follower from New Zealand) : Prabhupada referred to isckon devotees as his monkeys.. PADA: And SRIDHARA and Narayana Maharaja refer to these SAME monkeys as their idea of messiahs and gurus: Sridhara and Narayana Mj make monkeys into gurus, got it! S Mj and N Mj see monkeys biting each others ears off over sexual partners, they think they entered Vaikuntha and acharya land! These folks claim: they are promoting Prabhupada, no, they admit, they promote monkeys! thanks pd
"If one hears a person say even once the word 'Krishna,' that person should be accepted as the best man out of the common group." (Cc. Madhya 15.106)
"One who is interested in chanting the holy name of Krishna or who by practice likes to chant Krishna's names should be accepted as a Vaishnava and offered respects as such, at least within one's mind." (Cc. Madhya 15.111)
Right, but Sridhara Mja's program says that gurus who are chanting Hare Krishna in perfectional stage, are "mad after followers, women and money," (Sri Guru And his Grace) so no one wants to chant Hare Krishna if the perfectional stage is to be a worst debauchees than the karmis. Worse, those of us who are chanting Hare Krishna are being chased with aluminum baseball bats by the fanatics who worship Sridhara's gurus, and they want to kill us. Who authorized Sridhara to have devotees killed? ys
You are sectarian, for this reason you consider only the indications of Prabhupada that you like. If Prabhupada and Bhaktisiddhanta said that Sridhara Maharaja was a pure devotee and you say that he was bogus, you are saying that they were kanisthas and you are more able to them in order to recognise the level of a vaisnava.
@Vaisnav108 but, you know - this is another example of how ISKCON is currently only a shadow of what Srila Prabhupada wanted it to be. Sectarianism is the smallest problem. The fact that such personalities like this offender and the so-called ISKCON historian - Hari Sauri are just desperately try to change history to fit their visions. They don't even think about why Srila Sridhara Maharaja didn't want to preach the ISKCON way. It's just that what he possessed was too high for such a broad
audience. They don't even suspect of the deeper version of Krishna Consciousness. But, after all, it's part of their path. You know - Krishna unites, Maya separates. All Glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga! Gaura Haribol!
Prabhupada said about Sridhara Maharaja "he is unauthorized" only in private and rare cases, in public he spoke always highly about him and in the preface of the book The Search for Krishna he wrote "I consider Sridhar Maharaj to be even my siksa guru, so what to speak of the benefit that others can have from his association". You are supporting that Prabhupada and Bhaktisiddhanta were kanistha-adhikaris, this is a fact, and you are not able to resolve your contradictions.
Thus A) Srila Prabhupada and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta suggested the association with Sridhara Maharaja, speaking about him like a pure devotee B) Your ideas is that Sridhara Maharaja was promoting homosexual gurus, so in your opinion Srila Prabhupada and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta were promoting indirectly bogus gurus and they were kanistha-adhikaris (not able to recognise a bonafide vaisnava). These are your conclusions.
Srila Prabhupada said we do not associate with Sridhara maharaja because he is not qualified to be acharya. And SM made a homosexual guru in 1936. When we were in India some old man came into the room and offered his obeisances to Srila Prabhupada and he said, you are my guru. And Srila Prabhupada said, no you are my senior, you are my guru. According to you, this old man is the acharya? A few times Srila Prabhupada spoke highly of Sridhara, and other times he said he is unauthorized. ps
Really? Prabhupada wrote: "After the breakdown of our spiritual master's institution I wanted to organize another institution making Sridhar Maharaj the head. Srila Bhaktisidhanta Sarasvati Thakur told me that Sridhar Maharaja is one of the finest preachers of Krsna consciousness in the world, so I wanted to take everywhere. This was my ernest desire. But since he could not go around the world and preach, at least the people of the world should come to hear from him."
Again you omit that Srila Prabhupada wrote: "Srila Bhaktisidhanta Sarasvati Thakur told me that Sridhar Maharaja is one of the finest preachers of Krsna consciousness in the world, so I wanted to take everywhere. This was my ernest desire. But since he could not go around the world and preach, at least the people of the world should come to hear from him."
Prabhupada spoke about SM like his siksa-guru and according to sastras there is not difference between siksa and diksa-guru. If you insult Sridhara Maharaja (your parama guru) you are commiting an aparadha. Prabhupada was speaking about Sridhara Maharaja's disciples, not about him.
Again you omit that Srila Prabhupada wrote: none of his God brothers are fit to be acharya, especially Sridhara Maharaja. Thus A) There is no difference between siksha and diksha. B) Sridhara Maharaja's "siksha" to the Gaudiya Matha and the GBC is that homosexuals and deviants are diksha gurus. C) Your ideas is: there's no diiference between SM's shiksha of promoting homosexuals as diksha and SM himself? You are actually saying there is no difference between Sridhara and his homosexual gurus?
Srila Prabhupada said "Jayatirtha is my tirtha." So according to Vaishnava 108, that means we should all go out and follow JT, and sit on a vyasasana stoned on LSD, have illicit sex with the wives of followers? No, we cannot lift one statement out of context. In 1970 Himavati came back from Sridhara's ashram crying that his people had insulted Prabhupada as "the guru of the hippies," so Prabhupada told us not to go to his ashram, and none of us ever did! Ever! We never went there! ys pd
If that were real, how is possible that Srila Prabhupada considered a bogus guru like his Siksa Guru? Do you know that (according to shastras) there is not difference between siksa-guru and diksa-guru? If what are you saying was true, how is possible that Prabhupada recommended to his disciples the association of Sridhara Maharaja?
Srila Prabhupada himself spoke highly of Srila Sridhara Maharaja:
...who is the most highly competent of all my godbrothers. This is B. R. Sridhara Maharaja, whom I consider to be even my siksa guru . If you are serious about the advancement of your spiritual life, I advise you to go to Sridhara Maharaja and I will feel that you are safe.You can also make arrangements for your other godbrothers to go there in the future. (SP Ltr. Hrsikesa, January 1, 1969)
Yes, and Srila Prabhupada spoke highly of Ramesvara, and said he is the most intelligent devotee, so now, we all should bloop? Sorry, I am not talking about recomendations, I am talking about Sridharas idea that deviants are gurus, and you forgot to quote the hundreds of quotes where Srila Prabhupada condemns Sridhara's bogus guru program. You are cherry picking one quote, I can quote many other where Sridhara maharaja program is condemned.
But Srila Prabhupada consider BR Sridhara Maharaj his Siksa Guru. It is clear that Prabhupada wanted to build a room for BR Sridhara Maharaj within Mayapur
Srila Prabhupada told Acyutananda that if he wanted another guru, go to Sridhara, but if you really want to please Krishna, forget about Sridhara and preach for me in Germany? how come you peopl never quote the whole letter? Anyway in 1977 Srila Prabhupada said that Sridhara is the head ot the severe offender Bagh Bazaar party. So you are cherry picking your quotes out of context, thanks pd
Sorry, but in my understanding of Gaudiya Vaisnava philosophy (not only, it is very logical) one thing is to say "this person is intelligent", one very different thing is to say "this person is my Guru". This isn't a generic recomentadion: "If you are serious about the advancement of your spiritual life, I advise you to go to Sridhara Maharaja and I will feel that you are safe". Prabhupada was not speaking only about intelligence.
Srila Prabhupada also said "amongst my God brothers no one is qualified to be acharya [especially Sridhara Maharaja] that SM was the leader of the "severe offender" Bagh Bazaar party etc.. SM supported a bi-sexual deviant as guru in 1936 and then he supported 11 deviants as gurus after 1977. And even after SM was told Jayatirtha was taking drugs and having illicit sex, SM said he has to stay in the guru seat. Personally, I do not worship illicit sex, drugs, and orchestrators of murders. ys pd
Yes, he said that but only in a private letter and it was only a recomendation for a kanistha devotee. But in other occasions and mainly in public he spoke about Sridhara Maharaja like his siksa-guru and like a pure devotee. Prabhupada had a good opinion about SM and always respected him, if you do not do the same you are an offender. Hare Krishna
No he said that the Gaudiya Matha is fiasco in his books too. Are you now saying his letters are relative truth and his books are absoulte truth? And so when we brought forward these letters, my partner was assassinated, and I would have been except for the police, and now you are saying, we should not have bothered with these letters? Why did they want to kill us if these letters were not important? And why was SM supporting the group that was assassinating us for bringing forth the letters?
Srila Prabhupada also said watch out, danger alert, that SM has a tendency to make homosexuals into acharyas. And so -- SM supported the GBCs "molester gurus" program after 1977, and thousands of kids were molested under SM's policy. Now you are saying that worship of homosexual molesters is "safe"?
Safe according to what? Having children worship molesters as gurus, and SM said of people like me "none should protest," so defended them and SM feels safe, but what of the kids? ys pd
Srila Prabhupada said that Sridhara, Madhava, and Professor Sannyal all supported the Ananta Vasudeva (Bagh Bazaar party). This deviation is also mentioned in the 1974 letter to Rupanuga. That SM was a prime leader of the Bagh Bazaar was mentioned in 1977 conversations, as is Vasudeva's suicide. You are not even reading the quotes, I have many of them on my harekrsna . org site. I said these 11 are deviating /homosexuals, SM said "none should protest." Sorry, SM supports deviants as gurus.
Prabhupada wrote about Srila Sridhara Maharaj: "He has such a high realization of Krsna that one would faint to hear them. He was always my good avisor, and I took his advise very seriously because from the very beginning I knew that he was a pure devotee of Krsna. So, I wanted to associate with him". To say is a pure devotee is very different to say is very intelligent: any ordinary person can be intelligent, but not all are pure devotees.
OK, there are some quotes that glorify Sridhara and some that say he is not authorized. Intelligence however must be seen in practical actions. In practice, SM supporeted a bi-sexual deviant as guru in 1936, then after it was clear the followers were not fit for sannyasa because Prabhupada said that in 01/77, SM said that 11 had been appointed in 05/77, they are not fit for sannyasa in Januarya, they are acharyas in May? This means he does not have practical realizations. thanks pd
You say that SM was the principal cause of Gaudiya Matha's breakdown, but Prabhupada wrote: "After the breakdown of our spiritual master's institution I wanted to organize another institution making Sridhar Maharaj the head. Srila Bhaktisidhanta Sarasvati Thakur told me that Sridhar Maharaja is one of the finest preachers of Krsna consciousness in the world, so I wanted to take everywhere..."
Right, Srila Prabhupada wanted Sridhara Maharaja to be a member of his organization, as "the president" of ISKCON India, and Sridhara Maharaja refused. Right, SM wanted to be the guru, not subordinated to ISKCON. He would not give up his post as guru. This of course evades the whole point that SM appointed a homosexual guru in 1936, and he endorsed 11 deviants as gurus after 1977, and he started the "guru by vote" system where they have made 230 gurus. All this is not bona fide. thanks pd
This was his desire, but Sridhara Maharaja would not cooperate with the acharya. Srila Prabhupada wanted his brothers to work under his ISKCON scheme, but they were too motivated to remain gurus, so they never came forward. That is corrrect. And after Prabhupada left, they went ahead and annointed 11 deviants as gurus, and created mayhem. Prabhupada said they are not fit for sannyasa, Sridhara thought they were fit for messiahs, so SM failed, again, just as he did after 1936. thanks pd
Srila Prabhupada himself spoke highly of Srila Sridhara Maharaja:
...who is the most highly competent of all my godbrothers. This is B. R. Sridhara Maharaja, whom I consider to be even my siksa guru . If you are serious about the advancement of your spiritual life, I advise you to go to Sridhara Maharaja and I will feel that you are safe.You can also make arrangements for your other godbrothers to go there in the future. (SP Ltr. Hrsikesa, January 1, 1969)
Thanks, well I am missing him too, and that is why we are convincing people to quit the worship of bogus people and worship him, because all people deserve him as their guru. Thanks pd
I thank you for your kind work in exposing Iskcon problems,but,by your ACARA,I can understand you cannot claim to be a Srila Prabhupada disciple.Instead,there are A LOT of 100% fully Prabhupada's disciples now in Iskcon,as efficient as Arjuna is spreading Krishna conciousness and also in criticizing Iskcon mistakes of the past.Please answer:ALL OF SRILA PRABHUPADA'S DISCIPLE,THEY ARE CHILD MOLESTERS PEDOPHILES ILLICIT SEX?
I think you are drinking too much beer. I am not claiming to be anything. I never said all of the disciples are bad. An ISKCON guru said to me that I am the barking dog of ISKCON, I immediately agreed. I am defending the post of acharya, I am defending ISKCON children, I am exposing rascals posing as God's successors, I am convincing people to worship the real acharya, that's all I am doing. It seems you are not happy with this, you would rather the rascals go unchallenged and unchecked. ys pd
Question:do you think that none of Srila Prabhupada's disciple in Iskcon is as efficient as Arjuna?If you think so,then,you are such a rascal that I should not see your face,because you are so fallen,my dear Pada.
Next question:if you think that YOU are that disciple as efficient as Arjuna,well...if you stop drinking beer and having illicit sex,maybe...one day...
Thanks but I have been exposing the false gurus since 1977, and no one ever heard of your expose? You might as well be a beer drinker because our exposes have been effective, yours, well for starters, no one ever heard about your expose? I never said I was drinking beer, I said as soon as i said pedophiles are not gurus, fools like you aked if I was drinking beer, instead of addressing the problem, and so your folks bypassing the issue caused thousands of kids to get molested. Thanks pd
You cannot have heard of my expose from 1977 only because at that time I was not born.I was born in 1988 in a 100%(no drinking beer,no illicit sex etc.)Vaisnava family,with both my parents followers of an Iskcon Guru,not pedophile and not homosexual.And both of my parents were afraid of sending me in the Gurukula in India,because at that time EVERYBODY were informed.
I never said I was another Arjuna? Please stop drinking beer or whatever it is you are doing and read the comments. I said even if I am fallen it does not matters because I am helping children who were commiting suicide, and thanks to my efforts their suicides almost stopped to nil. You are not happy, that means, you would rather see the suicides get worse. That means you are on the side of the rascals, you are upset I am helping their victims, you want the rascals to overcome and win. ys pd
Prabhupäda: If he says, "No, none of my students are efficient," "Then why you are preaching? If you cannot make any one of your students as efficient, then why you are preaching, wasting your time?" No, no, these rascal, they, their face should not be seen even. They are so fallen.
Hundreds of people thanked me for making them into Srila Prabhupada worshipers, many ex-children thanked me for helping the molesting issue, yet you say they should not have been converted to that process by me, children should not be helped by me, let em all suffer with no help. You want them to worship the illicit sex messiahs, I do not, I wanted something better for these folks and I gave it to them. You are mad because you wanted the worship of the bogus to continue, children to suffer, pd
Indian man: Somebody put a question to Bhagavan Rajneesh that "you claim that you are God. Can you show us your universal form?" He said, "Well, I can show you. First you come like an Arjuna. First you become Arjuna. Then I can show you a universal form."
Prabhupada: "So that's all right. Have you shown anyone your universal form amongst so many, your disciples? Have you shown?" The next question should be like that.
Indian man: There was not such intelligent person to ask this.
Yes, Arjuna fought for justice, he would not have allowed all this molesting to go on, now you are mad that I fought for justice. Are you on the side of the perps? What is your point? thanks pd
It is incredible how you just don't answer to my direct questions.I'm very happy that you help the child to get out from the nightmare of the abuse,I thank you for this,but do you think THAT ALL OF SRILA PRABHUPADA'S DISCIPLE ARE CHILD MOLESTERS PEDOPHILES ILLICIT SEX?
THEN YOU ARE SUCH A FALLEN RASCAL THAT I SHOULD NOT SEE YOUR FACE.Very clear.
No No No No No what character assasination?First of all you:1)just didn't answer to my questions,and in your line of taught "silence means consent".If you ask to some GBC "Do you smoke?" and that GBC keeps silence,next day you'll write a very long accusation page on him.
2)If you are a drug addicted prostitute,it is VERY rilevant, because:" first of all you adopt yourself the Vaisnava Acara. Then you try to teach others. Otherwise you have no right".(Srila Prabhupada).
As soon as I said that child molesters, drug addcits, sex fiends and fools are not acharyas, Sridhara maharaja said "none should protest," he defends abominations as acharyas. When Ramesvara, Tamal, Hansadutta, Jayatirtha wanted to get away from being bogus gurus, Sridhara told them to go back and sit in the seat. So, you are telling me to follow an acharya, but you do not know what one is? SM says in his book that acharyas "go mad after money, women and followers," what are you teaching? ys pd
Dear Pada,on the Gaudya Math issue I agree 101% with you.Sridhar Maharaj destroyed Gaudya Math and Iskcon;Narayana Maharaj blasphemes every moment Srila Prabhupada with his Acara;in Rome some mad followers of BV Puri Maharaj stole the Prabhupada's temple up to the disaster and their guru,except for some words,said nothing(and during the class didn't read the purport of Srila Prabhupada's Bhagavat Gita,and stopped the one who started to read with disgust,what a shame),but my questions remains.
I follow Srila Prabhupada. My web site Hare Krsna org gets 2.5 million hits monthly, we get questions all the time. We change people's lives to the best of our ability. I visit the local temple for programs once in a while. I originally said that ISKCON children should not be mistreated, and that is not only my right but my duty to protest, and I have done so. I do not smoke, take drugs, or drink alcohol, nor do I have any interest in same. Thanks for your comments, it seems you agree? ys pd
7)How many times in this week did you go in Sankirtan?In HariNama?("Kindly help me.This is my request")
8)If you have a job,do you donate your 50% of your income to Krishna?(if not to Iskcon,at least buying some Prabhupada books,the unchanged,or buying bhoga for Prasadam distribution)
Please answer to my question frankly,because:
"My request is that first of all you adopt yourself the Vaisnava Acara. Then you try to teach others. Otherwise you have no right."(Room Conversation,LA,6-26-75).
Doesnt matter if I am a drug addicted prositute? My character isn't relevant to "what is a messiah"? Character assassination, to avoid the point. I say Krishna's succcesor messiahs are not "engaged in illciit sex with men, women and children," as Jayadvaita says. We see Jayadvaita at Rathayatra spending hours with Sridhara folks leadership, then he hugs Narayana Mj, peas in a PADA. I'm not engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, I am vastly superior to this regime. thanks pd
3)Are you engaged in illicit sex with men,women and children?You declare yourself as a possible "drug addicted prostitute",so a drug addicted prostitute cannot teach nothing to another prostitute.
4)Do you think that ALL Iskcon gurus are engaged in illicit sex affairs?
5)We admit we are disgusted from Gaudya Math Guru and we admit every damned Iskcon problem took birth from that Math,but it is funny how you avoided my questions on YOUR Vaisnava Acara.Answer point to point,and expose your face.
Dear Pada,in all humility I have to ask you some question,just to understand what kind of person is going to destroy the evil in Iskcon and to reform the Srila Prabhupada's position:
1)Do you eat Meat,fish or eggs?
2)Do you take intoxicants?
3)Do you have any illicit sex?
4)Gambling?
5)Do you wake up at 4.30,have a shower,make a nice tilak,have a knot on your sikha,do all the morning program and chant all of your 16 rounds?
I can't see one comment that concurrs with your thesis. Even the teacher does not approve. Is it not glaringly obvious that you are barking up the wrong tree?
Do you have no sense at all man?
Other than giving opportunity for some to write response according to their level of understanding, I see absolutely no reason for you to continue with such an obviously downhill approach.
Are you entirely crazy?
Is your life at such a low ebb that you discredit those who should be shown respect?
Srila Prabhupada says that anyone who says gurus fall down is a rascal, Sridhara's gurus are falling down left, right and center. Crazy? I am not saying anything, Srila Prabhupada is. Sridhara's followers also say that the Christians are "bogus ritviks," apparently it is better to worship their homosexual acharyas than it is to worship Jesus. They are insulting Jesus all day, every day. Sridhara folks are at such a low ebb, their gurus are illicit sex fiends and they criticize Jesus.Thanks pd
haribol. All glories to HDGAC Bhaktivedanta PRABHUPADA. ive been attending ISKCON programs for 10 years now, i cant believe His divine grace was betrayed...........Whoever is guilty be it TKG or BCS.....May Gaura Hari Help us all.
There may have been a few so called disciples who tried to kill Srila Prabhupada but only a very few. Who can understand Krsna's desire? We should disregard what has already happened by Krsna's arrangement and continue with our Krsna consciousness. It is just a recipe for disaster if we try to sort it out ourselves without becoming advanced first.
So I could not make it as a promoter of the GBC/ Gaudiya Matha homosexual and pedophile gurus, who orchestrated murders of us dissenters, and so I am doing a bad thing by defaming them? Ummm, does that not mean you are protecting their agenda, by defaming their critics? Or what?
Why are you saying were should not defame child molesting messiah regimes? What is wrong with you? thanks pd
Excuse me but by the way you talk anyone can see that you are envious of persons that not like you they give their lives to talk about God instead of talking about others , you are blinded by your own ego , you are sick , you should leave the scene , you are making more damage than good for everyone ..stop offending and engage in service with your mouth close
Thanks. All along when I said that thousands of children are getting molested then your types protested, "you are sick, this is your ego, you should leave the scene, etc." and the result was that thousands of children continued to get molested. Your idea helped the molesters and no one else. So I would say, curbing my protest has been the blind and offensive idea. Sridhara defended the molester guru program, thats not "talk about God." Gurus are not molesters! Thats not ego, thats fact.
Agreed. For Sridhara to force the worship of his homosexual messiah in 1936 Gaudiya Matha, and be proud of that and force ISKCON's children to worship his molester messiahs after 1977, resulting in mass molesting, is highly sinful. Innocent people were molested, beaten, assassinated from Sridhara's policies in post 1936 and 1977. Correct, forcing worship of molesters as acharyas is blasphemy. Sridhara and Narayana also hate Jesus, they say his worship is bogus ritviks. Very sinful. We agree!
I have left organised religion because of all these party-spirit-minded affairs.
I have been with Srila Sridhar Maharaj in 1986 and found in him everything I could wish to find in a Guru. I will never fotget his grace, sweetness and sincerity.
It is me who lacks surrender.
It is in me where lies the imperfection, for I fear real love and surrender because it's bigger than me and i am still holding on to matters of the ego and my conditioned mind.
As soon as I said deviants and pedophiles arent gurus, Sridhara Maharaja's group said Im engaged in politics, result was: thousands of molested children. In 1936 SM supported a bi-sexual guru, dissenters were beaten and killed. Sweet? SM's post-1977 pedophile messiah project also got devotees beaten and killed. Glad you think banning, beating, molesting and assassinating under SM's gurus is "sweet." And SM said "none should protest," so he defended the deviant's pooja in post 1936 and post 77.
Dear Getuff, Donkeys have also refused to worship the Sridhara and Narayana "illicit sex with men, women and children" messiahs's club. They have more sense, please do not attack the poor donkeys. And your team still say that worship of Jesus is bogus ritviks, but they also failed to worship your bogus messiahs. Do not be envious of others, especially when they are right. thanks pd
Pada estas lejos de la conciencia de Krsna,el Santo nombre nunca se revelara a ti.Llora de corazon,ofrece tus lagrimas a Sriman Mahaprabhu y a los Vaisnavas y no absorbas tu mente en falsedad ni criticas a los Devotos ,la religion de Mahprabhu es Trinad api sinicena,taror iva sahisnuna,amanina manadena......practica eso y,,, kirtaniya sadah Harih,podras cantar el Nombre Divino.
Thanks. Yes you are correct, Sridhara and Narayana Maharaja clans should NOT criticize followers of Jesus saying they are bogus ritvik idiots, just because worshipers of Jesus are not worshiping the homosexuals and pedophiles forwarded as messiahs by these deviants. Yes, Sridhara and Narayana followers should be humble and quit kicking Jesus worship with their giant jack boots every single day of their lives. You're right, they're envious of Jesus worship. So this is very sinful, envy. Agreed.
Thanks, you're not answering our original question. Sridhara and Narayana followers tell me EVERY DAY worship of departed gurus, ie persons like Jesus, is "posthumous, post mortem guru deviation." How come they say we cannot worship Jesus, but we can worship homosexuals, molesters, criminals and deviants instead? Prabhupada says Jesus can still absorb sins, how can molesters be -- better than Jesus? You keep avoiding the whole point, you attack Jesus and: Molesters cannot absorb sins. YS pd
Pada says that A.C. Bhaktivendata Swami did not accept that any of his Godbrothers were qualified to be Guru.
But in 1955, A.C. Bhaktivendata Prabhu was serving as the temple president of the Delhi Gaudiya Matha temple of his Godbrother, Srila B.S.Goswami Maharaj.
In a letter we have, he speaks of Goswami Maharaj's temple as "our Math". He was a member of that Math.
Goswami Maharaj opened 22 temples, and died before Prabhupada went to America. He was a Guru, and his Parampara continues today
Yes this is fine, but this does not give the Sridhara and Narayana folks a licence to say that we need to STOP the worship of someone like Jesus, whom their followers sometimes claim is "the posthumous/ post mortem" dead guy, and to instead START the worship of "living" criminals and molesters and then get most of the kids molested? Srila Prabhupada ALSO says "Jesus is my brother," not "he is the post mortem dead guy"? You guys are cherry picking isolated quotes - not citing all of them.
The text below is a paragraph from a letter of Srila Prabhupada to B.S.Goswami Maharaj, a co-disciple of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura.
The letter, dated 5 October, 1955, was written at the time when Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swmami was acting in the role of TEMPLE PRESIDENT of the Delhi temple of Goswami Maharaj.
You are avoiding the whole issue! Again! In 1936 Sridhara made a homosexual guru fiasco that resulted in beatings and murders, and THEN he supported a worse deviation after 1977. Then Narayana said the 11 are monkeys, so we need to worship them as rati keli (good as God). Monkeys are not as good as God! Meanwhile, your followers say Prabhupada and Jesus are the post morten dead guys but Guru is eternal. Your team stops the worship of the pure, and creates worship of deviants. Thats the point.
I am glad that Sripada Sridhara Maharaja has advised you to purchase a land at Mayapur. Yes we we must have a temple at Mayapur. If every one of us possess a temple there, the importance of Sridhama Mayapur will automatically increase and we must have this ideal in view always. I am also glad to learn that you are securing some good land on long lease from the Port commissioners for our Howrah Math. Howrah is a good place for preaching our cult and it behooves that we have a decent Math there.
Puranjana you have inherited more than you realize from Anantavasudeva
You probably say, "nama om visnupada krsna presthaya bhu-tale srimate bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati iti namine"
Anantavasudeva wrote that. Did you know that?
For that reason, none of the other lineages coming from Saraswati Thakura chant this. Kesava Maharaj wrote a new pranam mantra. Sridhar Maharaj's followers chant another mantra too, because they reject all connection to anantavasudeva.
Right, Prabhupada sometimes praises Gaudiya Matha folk, other times criticizes. OK some good service was done. I was also friends with the 11 before they became "gurus," and they also did good service before 1977. Fine, but that has nothing to do with the point at hand? As soon as I said molesters are not messiahs then Sridhara and Narayana followers kicked me in the face with giant jack boots as they've done ever since. I do not care what mantra you have, molesters aren't messiahs. Period!
You"re absolutely right! Molesters cannot be messiahs.. Srila NM is the perfect example of a Vaishnava. He does not engage even in His dreams in any sort of worldly affairs. He gives respect and honor to all and knows perfectly the conclusion of the sastra. What He gives are perfect instuctions to those who are qualified to recieve them. Unqualified persons cannot understand spiritual instructions, they hear them through thier mental faculty as material or even irrelevent. He does not mollest!!!
Yes, as soon as I said that deviants are not Krishna's gurus, then Narayana and Sridhara Maharaja said that I am a ritvik deviant, because I worship a pure messiah and not their molester messiahs. So they give honor to the bogus acharyas and not to Prabhupada, very simple. And this is still the case. NM lets me sit outside his room without talking to me for 10 hours, but as soon as he sees a molester messiah Kirtanananda, NM immediately falls off his chair and hugs the molester messiahs.
What difference does it make about Ananta Vasudeva etc. -- if you were a child in the gurukulas after 1977 and Sridhara and Narayana were helping force you to worship molesters as your messiahs? These children were being molested because as soon as I said there was a problem, your team bashed me with shoes and tried to SILENCE me, "oh how offensive, oh what about Vausdeva, oh what about Sridhara sitting in a seat, oh Narayana's book say homosexual acharyas are not wrong," you guys dont care!
Actally it is you who does not care."What difference does it make" Your favorite "lost for excuses" statement. Every little thing makes a difference, that is the science of evidence. Without the small bits you cannot make a clear picture. Just like your statements that sound like they have some relavence until some evidence is applied to the picture and it is found to be fraudulent.
You make out Krsnas devotee to be some kind of monster but that monster is only the one in your head..
No, for the children being molested under the jack boots of the GBC/ SM/ NM molester messiah's regime, it makes no difference whatsoever who Ananata Vasudeva was, perhaps -- except that his child was poisoned to death whereas they were being molested, the point is: these regimes mistreat children. Narayan maharajas book even says there was nothing wrong with Vasudeva: false gurus, beatings, murder, poisoning children -- is not wrong? So they never understood that murder / child abuse is wrong.
haribol!YES I SAW MAGAZIN AND I THINK STILL HAVE the same. So if NM said that there than he doesnot know scripture in my humble opinion.Simple!Support childmollesting is not Vaisnavas quality!If you learn bhakti from bhogus one bhakti doesnt come.So the real truth will set you free.Thats why you should check GURU first! I checked with Krishna Kant and Pada and got confirmation.They are NOt liers about it.May have differance but it is the same TRUTH.SOmeonemust becheated prabhu wake up!!!
Again , you have gone to a muslim to find out about Krsna. What can I say. If you are happy to listen to blasphemy of Vaishnavas and drink the donkey urine of their apasidhantas then so be it. The allurement of maya is very strong and our tendancy to be controllers remains as long as our head does not rest at the feet of Krsnas' pure Bhaktas. Just remember that offences against the holy Name may be overcome but there is no grace given to those who blaspheme Vaishnavas.
Krishna Karuna sindho!You are amazing Prabhu.First check GURU than come to him to hear.You want Krishna without GURU.You want to be cheated.Krishna wil not respond couse you dont follow instruction, CHECK THE GURU, DONT GO TO SELFMADE VATICAN GURUS.You need to check guru and he has to do the same with you.Krishna Kant and Pada have made the same and others.You are speaking long long long here.Move man!!!Take instruction check guru FIRST or go to muslim couse they are 'fighting fundamen.things
Hare Krishna! Mahabagavata is able to liberate YOU not kanishta guru of selfappointed kenguru. S o FIRST find/check that or this guru if he fit conditions and than listen about Krsihna from Him. Thats why!
by readind all this it looks like prabhupada was two faced who said two different thins about the same person.
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:) Lets try again. I will simplify it. You often quote "Srila Prabhupada said SSM was the head of the severe offenders party" which obviously gives the impression to people that SP considered SSM to be a severe offender too. Do you think SP considered SSM to be a severe offender from 1936 onwards?
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@infoment1 Prabhupada said that Sridara mj is a leader of the severe offenders, along with Madhava and Professor Sannyal. He said that Professor Sannyal was the most advanced of these three because he was "killed by Krishna so he could not make further offense by supporting bogus gurus," and so died soon after 1936. In other words Professor Sannyal was the most advanced of the group because he was killed right away, whereas Sridhara went on supporting bogus gurus for 50 more years. ys
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infoment1 5 months ago
Did Srila Prabhupada specifically state that those who he had given sannyasa to were kanisthas?
infoment1 5 months ago
@infoment1 He said that all of his followers were struggling and barely not coming up to the kanistha standard, so that would include all of his followers including those he had already given sannyasa to, yes. He also said Tamal is ruining my movement and he has to go to China and so on, so he had made many negative comments against these sannyasas he already had made on a regular daily basis. He also writes that the leaders are not chanting their rounds and following in 1976. ys
pada1008 5 months ago
When did Srila prabhupada say that Srila Sridhar Maharaja is not fit to be an acharya? In the 1974 letter to Rupanuga you mean?
infoment1 5 months ago
@infoment1 Yes, he told us not to visit his ashram in 1971 when Sridhara people were calling Prabhupada the guru of the hippies, he told us to never go there, he is not authorized. And later in 1977 he said Sridhara is the leader of the severe offenders party, so he always criticized these God brothers. ys pd
pada1008 5 months ago
@pada1008 You say "he told us not to visit his ashram in 1971" OK, but after this, SP still visited SSM's math taking his disciples with him. In 1973, SP visited SSM's math with his disciples, at that time SP said "Sridhar Maharaj lived in my house for years, we had very intimate talks and he was my good advisor. I took his advices, instructions, very seriously, I know that he is a pure Vaishnava, a pure devotee"...why do you think SP did this after instructing to never to go there in 1971?
infoment1 5 months ago
@infoment1 Prabhupada was diplomatic to build Mayapura project. He wanted Sridhara to curb more envious elements like Madhava mj, Sridhara's best friend. At the same time, he never changed his 1974 letter saying Sridhara is a deviant. He also wrote that we should not visit any matha of any of the God brothers. He also told us it is spiritual prostitution to go to them. You have to keep all the quotes in context. Sridhara supported homosexual gurus after 1936 and again after 77. He is deviant.
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@infoment1 You have to stick with after 1965 when Prabhupada was making his own mission. He told us not to visit Sridhara after his followers laughed at us and Himavati came back crying, saying Sridhara people are calling Prabhupada "guru of the hippies." You have to see that he was trying to separate his followers from the Gaudiya Matha and Sridhara in particular for his tendency to promote bogus gurus. You have to see that Sridhara promoted the GBC as gurus, that is all deviation.
pada1008 5 months ago
@pada1008 I'm looking at the years prior to 1965 because of what you yourself assert i.e that SP thought SSM to be so offensive for what happened in the few years after 1936. But based on SP's affectionate, respectful dealings with SSM in those years (living with him, preaching with him, consulting him about his Gita commentary etc) I think any reasonable minded person would have to conclude that SP didn't think SSM to be offensive at all. Which is a totally opposite idea to what you promote.
infoment1 5 months ago
@infoment1 Srila Prabhupada gave the whole history that Sridhara Maharaja created a homosexual guru mess in the Gaudiya Matha which got dissenters murdered and this made into horrible newspaper media stories. And after 1977 SM supported the same homosexual guru program that ruined ISKCON. Srila Prabhupada said in 1977 that Sridhara is the founder of the sever offenders party. Are you saying that it is ok to promote homosexuals as gurus and have dissenters murdered, the SM trademark program? ys
pada1008 5 months ago
@pada1008 And how do you think SP felt about SSM as a result of what happened in the few years just after the passing of Bhaktisddhanta Saraswati Thakur? SSM was the head of a severe offenders party back in 1936 - 39...ok....but how do you think SP felt about SSM because of this?
infoment1 5 months ago
@infoment1 Srila Prabhupada told us that Sridhara Maharaja unauthorizedly selected an acharya and HE INSISTED ON IT and as such he defied the orders of guru, and he caused the breakdown of the matha. He probably felt quite disappointed. So he said "do not commit this same mistake in ISKCON." Except Sridhara commited the same mistake and backed more bogus gurus, he never learnt his lesson, and so SSM made more homosexual gurus and more murders and so forth, SM never learnt the lesson. ys pd
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@pada1008 In 1973, when visiting SSM's math, SP recalled events that took place in 1940s/50s, like SP hosting SSM in his house in Calcutta, letting SSM use rooms in his house as a preaching base for SSM's math, having in depth spiritual discussions with SSM, taking advice from SSM in the writing of Bhagavad Gita As It Is, going preaching with SSM. Why would SP do all this in the 40s/50s if he had genuinely written SSM off as a deviant in the few years following 1936?
infoment1 5 months ago
Suspended sannyasa? You mean Srila Prabhupada removed the sannyasa order, danda, cloth etc from those that he had previously given Sannyasa?
infoment1 5 months ago
@infoment1 No, he suspended making more sannyasa. And he also said that they were not even kanisthas. No, he did not remove the sannyasa of the few who remained, but he said no more should be made since they were mostly falling down. ys pd
pada1008 5 months ago
@pada1008 who did Srila Prabhupada say were not even kanisthas? those he'd given sannyasa too or those that aspired to take sannyasa?
infoment1 5 months ago
@infoment1 He said at the same time that he suspended sannyasa (January 1977) that most of his followers in general were not even kanisthas, he said strict brahmana is kanistha, and his followers are mostly not on that platform. Yes, it was a general statement, kanistha is a strict thing, his followers, not so strict. Amazing, after saying they are barely kanistha Sridhara and Narayana maharaja thought they were acharyas. ys pd
pada1008 5 months ago
@RUPAGOSVAMI I totally agree with you. I don't have any idea or know any other gurus, but most definitely
Srila Prabhupada is the real Guru and all respects should be given to him. JayJay Prabhupada. Hare Krishna.
Knockturnall1 8 months ago
one who is intelligent knows how to prevent corruption before devastation occurs just like say i ask you how to stop air pollution what answer would you give that could trump the venus projects what if i ask you how do you stop automobile accidents what then what about stopping poverty and so on take care my friends peace and blessings forever in knowledge vanquishing believe opinion and faith into the existence of the expired.
muhnopuhlee 11 months ago
pada108, by sadhu-ninda I mean your offensive attitude towards Srila BR Sridhar Maharaj, who was requested by Srila Prabhupada to become president of ISKCON, with whom Prabhupada shared his vyasasan, whom Prabhupada consulted in his preaching, etc.. So who was he? If you would listen him you would understand that not every one is on the same level, there are different levels of acharyas, sannyasis, gurus, etc, etc. It is childish to think in terms of black / white, hell / heaven, good / bad.DA
WalterMatyas 1 year ago
Srila Prabhupada said Sridhara maharaja is the leader of the severe offenders Bagh Bazzar party, because Sridhara made a deviant into a guru in 1936. Now you are telling me I need to consult with the cheif of the severe offender party? SP then said, his followers are not fit for sannyasa, so you folks made hundreds of more deviants into gurus once again, after 1977. Yes it is black and white, deviants are acharyas and messiahs. It is childish to think that the village drunk is the messiah.
pada1008 1 year ago
@pada1008 You say "SP then said, his followers are not fit for sannyasa" by "his followers" do you mean his own followers i.e that Srila Prabhupada said his own followers are not fit for sannyasa? Or are you saying that Srila Prabhupada said that Srila Sridhar Maharaja's followers are not fit for sannyasa? Not clear to me what you mean, please clarify.
infoment1 5 months ago
@infoment1 He said his followers are not fit for sannyasa, but Sridhara Maharaja and all his God brothers are not fit to be acharyas. ys pd
pada1008 5 months ago
@pada1008 still not clear what you are saying, sorry. One step at a time please: Are you saying that Srila Prabhupada said that his own followers are not fit for sannyasa? or are you saying that Srila Prabhupada said that Srila Sridhar Maharaja's followers are not fit for sannyasa?
infoment1 5 months ago
@infoment1 Srila Prabhupada said HIS FOLLOWERS are not fit for sannyasa, and he said Sridhara maharaja is NOT FIT to be an acharya. Since Sridhara Maharaja is not fit to be an acharya, his sannyasa followers are in illusion thinking that he is an acharya, people who are in illusion are not bona fide sannyasa either. ys pd
pada1008 5 months ago
@pada1008 If Srila Prabhupada thought his followers were not fit to be sannyasis, why did he give them sannyasa?
infoment1 5 months ago
@infoment1 He said he tried to make them sannyasas, and it was not working. He saw that they were failing, so he suspended sannyasa. After saying they are not fit for sannyasa, Sridhara and Narayana maharaja then said they are fit to be acharyas! How can people unfit for sannyasa be fit to be the messiahs of the jagat? ys pd
pada1008 5 months ago
Sridhara Maharaja promoted the GBCs homosexual and molester gurus after 1977, now this is not "good / bad / black / white?" So thousands of children were molested by BR Sridhara's promoting these molesters as messiahs, and this is not good / bad / black / white? You mean, you do not know that molesters are not messiahs? Its too good / bad for you to figure out? ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
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amiyadasi 1 year ago
Hei pada108, so you think you have figure it all out? Taken things out of context and presenting them like some sort of "proof" giving yourself a license for bashing every one including Srila BR Sridhar Maharaj, the close friend of Prabhupada. Obviously you missed a chance to be charmed by DivyaVani of Sridhar Maharaj so what can you say. It is all faithless ruble of cripple mind. Without reference to shastra you are simply hurting yourself and some of a weak faith. The sadhu-ninda. Dark future.
WalterMatyas 1 year ago
@WalterMatyas OK let me get this straight, people who are not fit for sannyasa are fit to be acharyas/ gurus / messiahs -- its all a question of the context? People who are engaged in illicit sex are messiahs, its all how you look at it? I think you have not taken your meds today. Sorry, people who are falling down left, right and center are not messiahs, this is understood by anyone over the age of seven. OK, except yourself. thanks pd
pada1008 1 year ago
"Not fit for sanyas"
And who made them sanyasis? Srila Sridhar Maharaja or Srila Prabhupad? DUH!! I now realize, this is useless. Logic is not your forte. Hate is.
When Srila Sridhar Maharaja came to the opening of Mayapur Math ( when Srila Prabhupad put him ON THE VYASASANA ), that afternoon Srila Prabhupad had Srila Sridhar Maharaj rest in his bed while he ( Srila Prabhupad ) rested next to him on the floor. Yet YOU feel qualified to disparage him. Just like the GBC and "Archaryas" did.
chalchihualpan 1 year ago
@chalchihualpan OK, they are not fit for sannyasa and yes, Sridhara said they are gurus. So they are not fit for sannyasa, and Sridhara thought they were acharyas, where is the respect then, saying unfit people are acharya? Yes, Srila Prabhuapada said some nice things about Sridhara, but that does not authorize him to make fools into acharyas. So SM's acharyas were orchestrating molesting of ISKCON children, and this is your idea of "respect for Srila Prabhupada"? What! ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
so when a couple of iskon leaders say oh prabhupada said sridhara maharaja would be our advisor its lies but when they say sridhara maharaja said let devient gurus get on with it its truth?
krish108 1 year ago
@krish108 Yes, Sridhara Maharaja was the biggest ghost writer for the GBC's orginal 1978 documents, he helped them set up the zonal guru deviation, guru voting deviation, gurus fall down and become demons deviation, etc. and when people came and told him about these gurus devations, he defended keeping them in the post of guru. Yes, this is all true. ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
@pada1008
hmm i think there is no reason for me to believe this not that it would make a difference to my life if i did believe it. but to my mind it seems iskon marginalised narayan maharaja and sridhara mahaja and stopped taking advice from anyone. i think its better to look within iskon then trying to blame someone outside it. isnt it obvious if someone is taking LSD it needs to stop. just from reading prabhupadas books it is easy to know this.
krish108 1 year ago
@krish108 For example in 1978 the GBC report was made "in consultation with higher authorities" (Sridhara). Later the whole guru reform, and the rasika gopi club of the GBC gurus was headed by "advice" from Narayana Maharaja. The Sridhar and Naranaya folks said that I was an envious rascal as soon as I announced that child molesters are not God's guru successors. Yes, that makes the responsible, according to Vedic law, the supporters are implicated in the policy they support. ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
@pada1008 we dont follow vedc law. if we did people would be getting murdered and their toungues cut out. i dont know much about sridhara or narayan maharaja but you also have to place blame on srila prabhupada. he made an error in judgment. he lost control of the situation. he also set up the schools without proper checks and safety against child abuse. ISKON was in trouble well before 1978. the first case of child abuse was reported in 1972 little was done to protect against.
krish108 1 month ago
@krish108 Well Jesus lost control of Judas and was killed, Krishna lost control of the Kauravas, the Kauravas refused to listen to Krishna, but you sir are better than Jesus and Krishna, everyone should listen to you. Got it. ys pd
pada1008 1 month ago
@pada1008 im glad we cleared that up. ;)
krish108 1 month ago
@pada1008 thanks for being sincere
krish108 1 month ago
@pada1008
Srila Sridhar Maharaja was TOLD that Srila Prabhupad made them gurus! That was the info he had, and in fact, it WAS Srila Prabhupad who gave Bhavananda, Jayapataka etc so much power. HE put them in charge of Mayapur, etc (why??! ). Srila Sridhar Maharaja told them their guru-worship was too opulent ! ( SPD letter to GBC ). Also, Pradyumna das personally told me that Srila Prabhupad told him to ask Srila Sridhar Maharaja for help finishing the Bhagavatam. Hare Krishna.
chalchihualpan 1 year ago
@chalchihualpan If I am told that the town drunk is another Jesus, and I believe that, who is the fool, the town drunk or me? Now, worship of the town drunk is "too opulent" or not? WHAT? Why are you worshipping the town drunk -- at all? Yes, they were managers, not gurus. Srila Prabhupada said in January of 1977 that they ARE NOT fit for sannyasa, and then Sridhara thought that a few months later, May of 1977, the people not fit for sannasa are acharyas. Not fit for sannyasa means acharyas?
pada1008 1 year ago
ISKCON, child molesting, murders: ISKCON should be totally dismantled. Why these individuals are trusted and worshipped is beyond me.
Gattmax 1 year ago
I am wondering if you know of or knew the devotee's that first came to Australia to preach Krishna to us here, I met the movement in about 1971 ? I remember Upendra das had a lasting impression on me that is for sure, I would certainly like to know where he is now.
stephan9894 1 year ago
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Caesar88888 1 year ago
@Caesar88888 Yes, anyone who does not worship child molesters as their gurus needs to be punched in the face, why are you such a sick person? ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
@Caesar88888 Better to get mad than face the truth, huh?
Gattmax 1 year ago
hari guru and vaisnavas ki yai
juanjosemtzvillela 1 year ago
Only a nonsense criticizer of pure Vaisnavas would put something like this up.
All you say is second hand rumor and vicious misinterpretation of Srila Sridhara
Maharaja's mood. "severe offender" is a lie in the first place. "promoted Homosexuals as gurus" is another lie. It is easy to slander a person when a Vaisnava is not present, but nothing you said is verifiable. You twist ever phrase. What is the purpose of criticizing Srila Sridhara Maharaja? Only a sick person would dare criticize SSM.
Tirthapada 1 year ago 2
@Tirthapada Srila Prabhupada said Sridhara Maharaja is the leader of the severe offender Bagh Bazaar party. Why is this a lie? When I said illicit sex, drugs, and offering LSD to the shalagram is bogus, Sridhara Maharaja said "none should protest." I have not distorted anything, I lived it. ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
and yet Srila Prabhupad let Srila Sridhar Maharaj use his home to establish a Temple, offered him to be President of Iskcon, sent his sister to him for 2nd initiation, called him "your Divine Master" in a letter to Srila Govinda Maharaj etc etc, Either Srila Prabhupad was a liar and fake, or insane, if your ramblings are fact. Fortianately they are not---this is a hodge podge of misunderstood quotes and downright lies. Now you can return to your channel of ignorant Vaishnav aparadha.
chalchihualpan 1 year ago 2
@chalchihualpan Thanks yes, but Sridhara refused to take the role of president because he wanted to be the acharya. In any case, whatever Sridhara did before 1977, after 1977 he helped push persons engaged in illicit sex as acharyas in ISKCON. If he had any real respect for Srila Prabhupada, why did he put dogs in the seat of his good friend and acharya? If I love my grand father, do I let the dog sit in his seat? No, there was no respect shown, Sridhara wanted deviants in the seat of guru.
pada1008 1 year ago
Dear Pada, you are somewhat right. I was in sankirtana with a former SP's disciple having taking diksa again fro BRS maharaja. He , as party leader engage me in mundane activities with a rich junky lady, like restaurant and taking money from her and even wanted to coplulate with her . Fortunately , the husband of this lady stopped this game by forbiden us to enter her house for a so called nama hatta.This "devotee" whose name was Vira vrata and initiated as Bindhu Madhava by BRS Maharaja .
millwatts 1 year ago
Only to a rascal like you, simple mentionate the name of Srila B.R Sridhar Maharaja, garant you to go to andra tamisra hell...
kirttan 1 year ago
@kirttan Thanks prabhu, yes false gurus are destined for the most obnoxious regions, Sridhara Maharaja is the biggest cheer leader of false gurus, so they are birds of a feather, you are correct. ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
the audio improves greatly at 8:00 what happened?
tenthousandyearsgoon 1 year ago
The fact is that Prabhupada and Bhaktisiddhanta have not never spoken about Sridhara Maharaja like you are doing. Why I would have to consider your opinion? I consider the opinion of the acharyas, not yours. Prabhupada said "I knew that he was a pure devotee of Krsna. So, I wanted to associate with him" and Bhaktisiddhanta said "Sridhar Maharaja is one of the finest preachers of Krsna consciousness in the world". Therefore, if you say the opposite you are against them.
Vaisnav108 1 year ago
Yes, I am opposed to Sridhara maharaja's 1936 and 1977 homosexual gurus program, yes I do NOT think that homosexuals are acharyas. After 1977, I said that the 11 are bogus, Sridhara Maharaja defended the 11, even when Tamal, Hansadutta, Ramesvara, Jayatirtha were found in bad deeds, Sridhara still propped them up, he said "none should protest." The result of SM supporting the homosexual and pedophile guru program was: thousands of kids were molested. And now you are proud of that? Why? ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
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No, you are opposed to the opinion of Srila Prabhupada and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta. I agree with them: Sridhara Maharaja was a pure devotee, one of the finest preachers of Krsna consciousness in the world and a vaisnava that "has such a high realization of Krsna that one would faint to hear them". If you are against to these statements, you are totally bogus.
Vaisnav108 1 year ago
@pada1008 this guy is obviously a plant
tenthousandyearsgoon 1 year ago
WILLAIMS ANGELA (NM follower from New Zealand) : Prabhupada referred to isckon devotees as his monkeys.. PADA: And SRIDHARA and Narayana Maharaja refer to these SAME monkeys as their idea of messiahs and gurus: Sridhara and Narayana Mj make monkeys into gurus, got it! S Mj and N Mj see monkeys biting each others ears off over sexual partners, they think they entered Vaikuntha and acharya land! These folks claim: they are promoting Prabhupada, no, they admit, they promote monkeys! thanks pd
pada1008 1 year ago
"If one hears a person say even once the word 'Krishna,' that person should be accepted as the best man out of the common group." (Cc. Madhya 15.106)
"One who is interested in chanting the holy name of Krishna or who by practice likes to chant Krishna's names should be accepted as a Vaishnava and offered respects as such, at least within one's mind." (Cc. Madhya 15.111)
Vaisnav108 1 year ago
Right, but Sridhara Mja's program says that gurus who are chanting Hare Krishna in perfectional stage, are "mad after followers, women and money," (Sri Guru And his Grace) so no one wants to chant Hare Krishna if the perfectional stage is to be a worst debauchees than the karmis. Worse, those of us who are chanting Hare Krishna are being chased with aluminum baseball bats by the fanatics who worship Sridhara's gurus, and they want to kill us. Who authorized Sridhara to have devotees killed? ys
pada1008 1 year ago
You are sectarian, for this reason you consider only the indications of Prabhupada that you like. If Prabhupada and Bhaktisiddhanta said that Sridhara Maharaja was a pure devotee and you say that he was bogus, you are saying that they were kanisthas and you are more able to them in order to recognise the level of a vaisnava.
Vaisnav108 1 year ago
@Vaisnav108 but, you know - this is another example of how ISKCON is currently only a shadow of what Srila Prabhupada wanted it to be. Sectarianism is the smallest problem. The fact that such personalities like this offender and the so-called ISKCON historian - Hari Sauri are just desperately try to change history to fit their visions. They don't even think about why Srila Sridhara Maharaja didn't want to preach the ISKCON way. It's just that what he possessed was too high for such a broad
r0bb3ry 1 year ago
audience. They don't even suspect of the deeper version of Krishna Consciousness. But, after all, it's part of their path. You know - Krishna unites, Maya separates. All Glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga! Gaura Haribol!
r0bb3ry 1 year ago
Prabhupada said about Sridhara Maharaja "he is unauthorized" only in private and rare cases, in public he spoke always highly about him and in the preface of the book The Search for Krishna he wrote "I consider Sridhar Maharaj to be even my siksa guru, so what to speak of the benefit that others can have from his association". You are supporting that Prabhupada and Bhaktisiddhanta were kanistha-adhikaris, this is a fact, and you are not able to resolve your contradictions.
Vaisnav108 1 year ago
Thus A) Srila Prabhupada and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta suggested the association with Sridhara Maharaja, speaking about him like a pure devotee B) Your ideas is that Sridhara Maharaja was promoting homosexual gurus, so in your opinion Srila Prabhupada and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta were promoting indirectly bogus gurus and they were kanistha-adhikaris (not able to recognise a bonafide vaisnava). These are your conclusions.
Vaisnav108 1 year ago
Srila Prabhupada said we do not associate with Sridhara maharaja because he is not qualified to be acharya. And SM made a homosexual guru in 1936. When we were in India some old man came into the room and offered his obeisances to Srila Prabhupada and he said, you are my guru. And Srila Prabhupada said, no you are my senior, you are my guru. According to you, this old man is the acharya? A few times Srila Prabhupada spoke highly of Sridhara, and other times he said he is unauthorized. ps
pada1008 1 year ago
And the fact is that Sridhara Maharaja did support the Ananta Vasudeva homosexual guru program and he supported the GBC's homosexual guru program.
pada1008 1 year ago
Really? Prabhupada wrote: "After the breakdown of our spiritual master's institution I wanted to organize another institution making Sridhar Maharaj the head. Srila Bhaktisidhanta Sarasvati Thakur told me that Sridhar Maharaja is one of the finest preachers of Krsna consciousness in the world, so I wanted to take everywhere. This was my ernest desire. But since he could not go around the world and preach, at least the people of the world should come to hear from him."
Vaisnav108 1 year ago
Again you omit that Srila Prabhupada wrote: "Srila Bhaktisidhanta Sarasvati Thakur told me that Sridhar Maharaja is one of the finest preachers of Krsna consciousness in the world, so I wanted to take everywhere. This was my ernest desire. But since he could not go around the world and preach, at least the people of the world should come to hear from him."
Vaisnav108 1 year ago
Prabhupada spoke about SM like his siksa-guru and according to sastras there is not difference between siksa and diksa-guru. If you insult Sridhara Maharaja (your parama guru) you are commiting an aparadha. Prabhupada was speaking about Sridhara Maharaja's disciples, not about him.
Vaisnav108 1 year ago
Again you omit that Srila Prabhupada wrote: none of his God brothers are fit to be acharya, especially Sridhara Maharaja. Thus A) There is no difference between siksha and diksha. B) Sridhara Maharaja's "siksha" to the Gaudiya Matha and the GBC is that homosexuals and deviants are diksha gurus. C) Your ideas is: there's no diiference between SM's shiksha of promoting homosexuals as diksha and SM himself? You are actually saying there is no difference between Sridhara and his homosexual gurus?
pada1008 1 year ago
Srila Prabhupada said "Jayatirtha is my tirtha." So according to Vaishnava 108, that means we should all go out and follow JT, and sit on a vyasasana stoned on LSD, have illicit sex with the wives of followers? No, we cannot lift one statement out of context. In 1970 Himavati came back from Sridhara's ashram crying that his people had insulted Prabhupada as "the guru of the hippies," so Prabhupada told us not to go to his ashram, and none of us ever did! Ever! We never went there! ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
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If that were real, how is possible that Srila Prabhupada considered a bogus guru like his Siksa Guru? Do you know that (according to shastras) there is not difference between siksa-guru and diksa-guru? If what are you saying was true, how is possible that Prabhupada recommended to his disciples the association of Sridhara Maharaja?
Vaisnav108 1 year ago
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Vaisnav108 1 year ago
Srila Prabhupada himself spoke highly of Srila Sridhara Maharaja:
...who is the most highly competent of all my godbrothers. This is B. R. Sridhara Maharaja, whom I consider to be even my siksa guru . If you are serious about the advancement of your spiritual life, I advise you to go to Sridhara Maharaja and I will feel that you are safe.You can also make arrangements for your other godbrothers to go there in the future. (SP Ltr. Hrsikesa, January 1, 1969)
Vaisnav108 1 year ago
Yes, and Srila Prabhupada spoke highly of Ramesvara, and said he is the most intelligent devotee, so now, we all should bloop? Sorry, I am not talking about recomendations, I am talking about Sridharas idea that deviants are gurus, and you forgot to quote the hundreds of quotes where Srila Prabhupada condemns Sridhara's bogus guru program. You are cherry picking one quote, I can quote many other where Sridhara maharaja program is condemned.
Thanks pd
pada1008 1 year ago
But Srila Prabhupada consider BR Sridhara Maharaj his Siksa Guru. It is clear that Prabhupada wanted to build a room for BR Sridhara Maharaj within Mayapur
sefroth77 2 years ago
Srila Prabhupada told Acyutananda that if he wanted another guru, go to Sridhara, but if you really want to please Krishna, forget about Sridhara and preach for me in Germany? how come you peopl never quote the whole letter? Anyway in 1977 Srila Prabhupada said that Sridhara is the head ot the severe offender Bagh Bazaar party. So you are cherry picking your quotes out of context, thanks pd
pada1008 2 years ago
Sorry, but in my understanding of Gaudiya Vaisnava philosophy (not only, it is very logical) one thing is to say "this person is intelligent", one very different thing is to say "this person is my Guru". This isn't a generic recomentadion: "If you are serious about the advancement of your spiritual life, I advise you to go to Sridhara Maharaja and I will feel that you are safe". Prabhupada was not speaking only about intelligence.
Vaisnav108 1 year ago
Srila Prabhupada also said "amongst my God brothers no one is qualified to be acharya [especially Sridhara Maharaja] that SM was the leader of the "severe offender" Bagh Bazaar party etc.. SM supported a bi-sexual deviant as guru in 1936 and then he supported 11 deviants as gurus after 1977. And even after SM was told Jayatirtha was taking drugs and having illicit sex, SM said he has to stay in the guru seat. Personally, I do not worship illicit sex, drugs, and orchestrators of murders. ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
Yes, he said that but only in a private letter and it was only a recomendation for a kanistha devotee. But in other occasions and mainly in public he spoke about Sridhara Maharaja like his siksa-guru and like a pure devotee. Prabhupada had a good opinion about SM and always respected him, if you do not do the same you are an offender. Hare Krishna
Vaisnav108 1 year ago
No he said that the Gaudiya Matha is fiasco in his books too. Are you now saying his letters are relative truth and his books are absoulte truth? And so when we brought forward these letters, my partner was assassinated, and I would have been except for the police, and now you are saying, we should not have bothered with these letters? Why did they want to kill us if these letters were not important? And why was SM supporting the group that was assassinating us for bringing forth the letters?
pada1008 1 year ago
Srila Prabhupada also said watch out, danger alert, that SM has a tendency to make homosexuals into acharyas. And so -- SM supported the GBCs "molester gurus" program after 1977, and thousands of kids were molested under SM's policy. Now you are saying that worship of homosexual molesters is "safe"?
Safe according to what? Having children worship molesters as gurus, and SM said of people like me "none should protest," so defended them and SM feels safe, but what of the kids? ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
Where did Srila Prabhupada said this about Sridhara Maharaja? Supply the evidence or you are a liar
Vaisnav108 1 year ago
Srila Prabhupada said that Sridhara, Madhava, and Professor Sannyal all supported the Ananta Vasudeva (Bagh Bazaar party). This deviation is also mentioned in the 1974 letter to Rupanuga. That SM was a prime leader of the Bagh Bazaar was mentioned in 1977 conversations, as is Vasudeva's suicide. You are not even reading the quotes, I have many of them on my harekrsna . org site. I said these 11 are deviating /homosexuals, SM said "none should protest." Sorry, SM supports deviants as gurus.
pada1008 1 year ago
Prabhupada wrote about Srila Sridhara Maharaj: "He has such a high realization of Krsna that one would faint to hear them. He was always my good avisor, and I took his advise very seriously because from the very beginning I knew that he was a pure devotee of Krsna. So, I wanted to associate with him". To say is a pure devotee is very different to say is very intelligent: any ordinary person can be intelligent, but not all are pure devotees.
Vaisnav108 1 year ago
OK, there are some quotes that glorify Sridhara and some that say he is not authorized. Intelligence however must be seen in practical actions. In practice, SM supporeted a bi-sexual deviant as guru in 1936, then after it was clear the followers were not fit for sannyasa because Prabhupada said that in 01/77, SM said that 11 had been appointed in 05/77, they are not fit for sannyasa in Januarya, they are acharyas in May? This means he does not have practical realizations. thanks pd
pada1008 1 year ago
You say that SM was the principal cause of Gaudiya Matha's breakdown, but Prabhupada wrote: "After the breakdown of our spiritual master's institution I wanted to organize another institution making Sridhar Maharaj the head. Srila Bhaktisidhanta Sarasvati Thakur told me that Sridhar Maharaja is one of the finest preachers of Krsna consciousness in the world, so I wanted to take everywhere..."
Vaisnav108 1 year ago
Right, Srila Prabhupada wanted Sridhara Maharaja to be a member of his organization, as "the president" of ISKCON India, and Sridhara Maharaja refused. Right, SM wanted to be the guru, not subordinated to ISKCON. He would not give up his post as guru. This of course evades the whole point that SM appointed a homosexual guru in 1936, and he endorsed 11 deviants as gurus after 1977, and he started the "guru by vote" system where they have made 230 gurus. All this is not bona fide. thanks pd
pada1008 1 year ago
@pada1008 Maybe when KGBC will count 666 gurus, devotees will understand.;)
millwatts 1 year ago
"...This was my ernest desire. But since he could not go around the world and preach, at least the people of the world should come to hear from him".
Vaisnav108 1 year ago
This was his desire, but Sridhara Maharaja would not cooperate with the acharya. Srila Prabhupada wanted his brothers to work under his ISKCON scheme, but they were too motivated to remain gurus, so they never came forward. That is corrrect. And after Prabhupada left, they went ahead and annointed 11 deviants as gurus, and created mayhem. Prabhupada said they are not fit for sannyasa, Sridhara thought they were fit for messiahs, so SM failed, again, just as he did after 1936. thanks pd
pada1008 1 year ago
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Srila Prabhupada himself spoke highly of Srila Sridhara Maharaja:
...who is the most highly competent of all my godbrothers. This is B. R. Sridhara Maharaja, whom I consider to be even my siksa guru . If you are serious about the advancement of your spiritual life, I advise you to go to Sridhara Maharaja and I will feel that you are safe.You can also make arrangements for your other godbrothers to go there in the future. (SP Ltr. Hrsikesa, January 1, 1969)
Vaisnav108 1 year ago
Thank you very a much for barking...keep on! chance will come!...ontil then take care of your self!
Hare Krishna
jajss 2 years ago
bah...good luck my hero...I'm missing Srila Prabhupada
gresko5maggio 2 years ago
Thanks, well I am missing him too, and that is why we are convincing people to quit the worship of bogus people and worship him, because all people deserve him as their guru. Thanks pd
pada1008 2 years ago
I thank you for your kind work in exposing Iskcon problems,but,by your ACARA,I can understand you cannot claim to be a Srila Prabhupada disciple.Instead,there are A LOT of 100% fully Prabhupada's disciples now in Iskcon,as efficient as Arjuna is spreading Krishna conciousness and also in criticizing Iskcon mistakes of the past.Please answer:ALL OF SRILA PRABHUPADA'S DISCIPLE,THEY ARE CHILD MOLESTERS PEDOPHILES ILLICIT SEX?
gresko5maggio 2 years ago
I think you are drinking too much beer. I am not claiming to be anything. I never said all of the disciples are bad. An ISKCON guru said to me that I am the barking dog of ISKCON, I immediately agreed. I am defending the post of acharya, I am defending ISKCON children, I am exposing rascals posing as God's successors, I am convincing people to worship the real acharya, that's all I am doing. It seems you are not happy with this, you would rather the rascals go unchallenged and unchecked. ys pd
pada1008 2 years ago
Question:do you think that none of Srila Prabhupada's disciple in Iskcon is as efficient as Arjuna?If you think so,then,you are such a rascal that I should not see your face,because you are so fallen,my dear Pada.
Next question:if you think that YOU are that disciple as efficient as Arjuna,well...if you stop drinking beer and having illicit sex,maybe...one day...
gresko5maggio 2 years ago
Thanks but I have been exposing the false gurus since 1977, and no one ever heard of your expose? You might as well be a beer drinker because our exposes have been effective, yours, well for starters, no one ever heard about your expose? I never said I was drinking beer, I said as soon as i said pedophiles are not gurus, fools like you aked if I was drinking beer, instead of addressing the problem, and so your folks bypassing the issue caused thousands of kids to get molested. Thanks pd
pada1008 2 years ago
You cannot have heard of my expose from 1977 only because at that time I was not born.I was born in 1988 in a 100%(no drinking beer,no illicit sex etc.)Vaisnava family,with both my parents followers of an Iskcon Guru,not pedophile and not homosexual.And both of my parents were afraid of sending me in the Gurukula in India,because at that time EVERYBODY were informed.
gresko5maggio 2 years ago
I never said I was another Arjuna? Please stop drinking beer or whatever it is you are doing and read the comments. I said even if I am fallen it does not matters because I am helping children who were commiting suicide, and thanks to my efforts their suicides almost stopped to nil. You are not happy, that means, you would rather see the suicides get worse. That means you are on the side of the rascals, you are upset I am helping their victims, you want the rascals to overcome and win. ys pd
pada1008 2 years ago
Prabhupäda: If he says, "No, none of my students are efficient," "Then why you are preaching? If you cannot make any one of your students as efficient, then why you are preaching, wasting your time?" No, no, these rascal, they, their face should not be seen even. They are so fallen.
gresko5maggio 2 years ago
Hundreds of people thanked me for making them into Srila Prabhupada worshipers, many ex-children thanked me for helping the molesting issue, yet you say they should not have been converted to that process by me, children should not be helped by me, let em all suffer with no help. You want them to worship the illicit sex messiahs, I do not, I wanted something better for these folks and I gave it to them. You are mad because you wanted the worship of the bogus to continue, children to suffer, pd
pada1008 2 years ago
Indian man: Somebody put a question to Bhagavan Rajneesh that "you claim that you are God. Can you show us your universal form?" He said, "Well, I can show you. First you come like an Arjuna. First you become Arjuna. Then I can show you a universal form."
Prabhupada: "So that's all right. Have you shown anyone your universal form amongst so many, your disciples? Have you shown?" The next question should be like that.
Indian man: There was not such intelligent person to ask this.
gresko5maggio 2 years ago
Yes, Arjuna fought for justice, he would not have allowed all this molesting to go on, now you are mad that I fought for justice. Are you on the side of the perps? What is your point? thanks pd
pada1008 2 years ago
It is incredible how you just don't answer to my direct questions.I'm very happy that you help the child to get out from the nightmare of the abuse,I thank you for this,but do you think THAT ALL OF SRILA PRABHUPADA'S DISCIPLE ARE CHILD MOLESTERS PEDOPHILES ILLICIT SEX?
THEN YOU ARE SUCH A FALLEN RASCAL THAT I SHOULD NOT SEE YOUR FACE.Very clear.
gresko5maggio 2 years ago
No No No No No what character assasination?First of all you:1)just didn't answer to my questions,and in your line of taught "silence means consent".If you ask to some GBC "Do you smoke?" and that GBC keeps silence,next day you'll write a very long accusation page on him.
2)If you are a drug addicted prostitute,it is VERY rilevant, because:" first of all you adopt yourself the Vaisnava Acara. Then you try to teach others. Otherwise you have no right".(Srila Prabhupada).
gresko5maggio 2 years ago
As soon as I said that child molesters, drug addcits, sex fiends and fools are not acharyas, Sridhara maharaja said "none should protest," he defends abominations as acharyas. When Ramesvara, Tamal, Hansadutta, Jayatirtha wanted to get away from being bogus gurus, Sridhara told them to go back and sit in the seat. So, you are telling me to follow an acharya, but you do not know what one is? SM says in his book that acharyas "go mad after money, women and followers," what are you teaching? ys pd
pada1008 2 years ago
Dear Pada,on the Gaudya Math issue I agree 101% with you.Sridhar Maharaj destroyed Gaudya Math and Iskcon;Narayana Maharaj blasphemes every moment Srila Prabhupada with his Acara;in Rome some mad followers of BV Puri Maharaj stole the Prabhupada's temple up to the disaster and their guru,except for some words,said nothing(and during the class didn't read the purport of Srila Prabhupada's Bhagavat Gita,and stopped the one who started to read with disgust,what a shame),but my questions remains.
gresko5maggio 2 years ago
I follow Srila Prabhupada. My web site Hare Krsna org gets 2.5 million hits monthly, we get questions all the time. We change people's lives to the best of our ability. I visit the local temple for programs once in a while. I originally said that ISKCON children should not be mistreated, and that is not only my right but my duty to protest, and I have done so. I do not smoke, take drugs, or drink alcohol, nor do I have any interest in same. Thanks for your comments, it seems you agree? ys pd
pada1008 2 years ago
7)How many times in this week did you go in Sankirtan?In HariNama?("Kindly help me.This is my request")
8)If you have a job,do you donate your 50% of your income to Krishna?(if not to Iskcon,at least buying some Prabhupada books,the unchanged,or buying bhoga for Prasadam distribution)
Please answer to my question frankly,because:
"My request is that first of all you adopt yourself the Vaisnava Acara. Then you try to teach others. Otherwise you have no right."(Room Conversation,LA,6-26-75).
gresko5maggio 2 years ago
Doesnt matter if I am a drug addicted prositute? My character isn't relevant to "what is a messiah"? Character assassination, to avoid the point. I say Krishna's succcesor messiahs are not "engaged in illciit sex with men, women and children," as Jayadvaita says. We see Jayadvaita at Rathayatra spending hours with Sridhara folks leadership, then he hugs Narayana Mj, peas in a PADA. I'm not engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, I am vastly superior to this regime. thanks pd
pada1008 2 years ago
3)Are you engaged in illicit sex with men,women and children?You declare yourself as a possible "drug addicted prostitute",so a drug addicted prostitute cannot teach nothing to another prostitute.
4)Do you think that ALL Iskcon gurus are engaged in illicit sex affairs?
5)We admit we are disgusted from Gaudya Math Guru and we admit every damned Iskcon problem took birth from that Math,but it is funny how you avoided my questions on YOUR Vaisnava Acara.Answer point to point,and expose your face.
gresko5maggio 2 years ago
Dear Pada,in all humility I have to ask you some question,just to understand what kind of person is going to destroy the evil in Iskcon and to reform the Srila Prabhupada's position:
1)Do you eat Meat,fish or eggs?
2)Do you take intoxicants?
3)Do you have any illicit sex?
4)Gambling?
5)Do you wake up at 4.30,have a shower,make a nice tilak,have a knot on your sikha,do all the morning program and chant all of your 16 rounds?
6)Do you have sikha?Do you have long hair?
gresko5maggio 2 years ago
I can't see one comment that concurrs with your thesis. Even the teacher does not approve. Is it not glaringly obvious that you are barking up the wrong tree?
Do you have no sense at all man?
Other than giving opportunity for some to write response according to their level of understanding, I see absolutely no reason for you to continue with such an obviously downhill approach.
Are you entirely crazy?
Is your life at such a low ebb that you discredit those who should be shown respect?
Aum!
TamalKrsna 2 years ago
Srila Prabhupada says that anyone who says gurus fall down is a rascal, Sridhara's gurus are falling down left, right and center. Crazy? I am not saying anything, Srila Prabhupada is. Sridhara's followers also say that the Christians are "bogus ritviks," apparently it is better to worship their homosexual acharyas than it is to worship Jesus. They are insulting Jesus all day, every day. Sridhara folks are at such a low ebb, their gurus are illicit sex fiends and they criticize Jesus.Thanks pd
pada1008 2 years ago
haribol. All glories to HDGAC Bhaktivedanta PRABHUPADA. ive been attending ISKCON programs for 10 years now, i cant believe His divine grace was betrayed...........Whoever is guilty be it TKG or BCS.....May Gaura Hari Help us all.
signeduplate 2 years ago
There may have been a few so called disciples who tried to kill Srila Prabhupada but only a very few. Who can understand Krsna's desire? We should disregard what has already happened by Krsna's arrangement and continue with our Krsna consciousness. It is just a recipe for disaster if we try to sort it out ourselves without becoming advanced first.
TamalKrsna 2 years ago
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Tamoharadasa 2 years ago
this guy couldnt' make it as a hare krishna so he spends his time defaming them little does he realise what is the point of all his trouble.
vegeman78 2 years ago
So I could not make it as a promoter of the GBC/ Gaudiya Matha homosexual and pedophile gurus, who orchestrated murders of us dissenters, and so I am doing a bad thing by defaming them? Ummm, does that not mean you are protecting their agenda, by defaming their critics? Or what?
Why are you saying were should not defame child molesting messiah regimes? What is wrong with you? thanks pd
pada1008 2 years ago
Namah om Vishnu padaya Krisna prestaya bhutale
Srimate Ramesvara Swamin iti namine
Pracharantam Harer Nama ghadam nana pratiksanam
Bhaktivedanta senanyam VANDE Srila Ramesvaram!
godot93 2 years ago
if you like pranamas of fallen gurus,then
Namah om Visnu padaya Prabhupada Sritat mane srimate Gurudevaya Bhagavan goswami namine Jaya srila bhagavan jaya patita pavana
gresko5maggio 2 years ago
All the in-fighting at ISKCON is such a shame. What a horrible way to end such a wonderful idea.
nicksum29 2 years ago
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megahouse215 2 years ago
Excuse me but by the way you talk anyone can see that you are envious of persons that not like you they give their lives to talk about God instead of talking about others , you are blinded by your own ego , you are sick , you should leave the scene , you are making more damage than good for everyone ..stop offending and engage in service with your mouth close
zahorix 3 years ago
Thanks. All along when I said that thousands of children are getting molested then your types protested, "you are sick, this is your ego, you should leave the scene, etc." and the result was that thousands of children continued to get molested. Your idea helped the molesters and no one else. So I would say, curbing my protest has been the blind and offensive idea. Sridhara defended the molester guru program, thats not "talk about God." Gurus are not molesters! Thats not ego, thats fact.
pada1008 3 years ago
Anyone who blasphemes pure devotees like this is destined for hell. Beg forgiveness before it's too late.
chicbabe2009 3 years ago
Agreed. For Sridhara to force the worship of his homosexual messiah in 1936 Gaudiya Matha, and be proud of that and force ISKCON's children to worship his molester messiahs after 1977, resulting in mass molesting, is highly sinful. Innocent people were molested, beaten, assassinated from Sridhara's policies in post 1936 and 1977. Correct, forcing worship of molesters as acharyas is blasphemy. Sridhara and Narayana also hate Jesus, they say his worship is bogus ritviks. Very sinful. We agree!
pada1008 3 years ago
I have left organised religion because of all these party-spirit-minded affairs.
I have been with Srila Sridhar Maharaj in 1986 and found in him everything I could wish to find in a Guru. I will never fotget his grace, sweetness and sincerity.
It is me who lacks surrender.
It is in me where lies the imperfection, for I fear real love and surrender because it's bigger than me and i am still holding on to matters of the ego and my conditioned mind.
Don't be interested in politics!
EddieBoschma 3 years ago
As soon as I said deviants and pedophiles arent gurus, Sridhara Maharaja's group said Im engaged in politics, result was: thousands of molested children. In 1936 SM supported a bi-sexual guru, dissenters were beaten and killed. Sweet? SM's post-1977 pedophile messiah project also got devotees beaten and killed. Glad you think banning, beating, molesting and assassinating under SM's gurus is "sweet." And SM said "none should protest," so he defended the deviant's pooja in post 1936 and post 77.
pada1008 3 years ago
Dear Getuff, Donkeys have also refused to worship the Sridhara and Narayana "illicit sex with men, women and children" messiahs's club. They have more sense, please do not attack the poor donkeys. And your team still say that worship of Jesus is bogus ritviks, but they also failed to worship your bogus messiahs. Do not be envious of others, especially when they are right. thanks pd
pada1008 3 years ago
Pada estas lejos de la conciencia de Krsna,el Santo nombre nunca se revelara a ti.Llora de corazon,ofrece tus lagrimas a Sriman Mahaprabhu y a los Vaisnavas y no absorbas tu mente en falsedad ni criticas a los Devotos ,la religion de Mahprabhu es Trinad api sinicena,taror iva sahisnuna,amanina manadena......practica eso y,,, kirtaniya sadah Harih,podras cantar el Nombre Divino.
jomdas 3 years ago
Thanks. Yes you are correct, Sridhara and Narayana Maharaja clans should NOT criticize followers of Jesus saying they are bogus ritvik idiots, just because worshipers of Jesus are not worshiping the homosexuals and pedophiles forwarded as messiahs by these deviants. Yes, Sridhara and Narayana followers should be humble and quit kicking Jesus worship with their giant jack boots every single day of their lives. You're right, they're envious of Jesus worship. So this is very sinful, envy. Agreed.
pada1008 3 years ago
Letter to Bhaktisar Maharaja San Francisco 11 March 1967
My Dear Sripada Sar Maharaja,
I am glad to learn that your activities following the foot prints of our beloved Gosvami Maharaja is being conducted nicely
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This is interesting! In this letter Prabhupada praises THE SUCCESSOR of Goswami Maharaj for continuing his Mission and Math
Not only is Goswami Maharaj given honour as Guru but his successor also: Bhaktisar Maharaja
Goswami Maharaj's "Gaudiya Math" Parampara is bonafide
damodara82 3 years ago
Thanks, you're not answering our original question. Sridhara and Narayana followers tell me EVERY DAY worship of departed gurus, ie persons like Jesus, is "posthumous, post mortem guru deviation." How come they say we cannot worship Jesus, but we can worship homosexuals, molesters, criminals and deviants instead? Prabhupada says Jesus can still absorb sins, how can molesters be -- better than Jesus? You keep avoiding the whole point, you attack Jesus and: Molesters cannot absorb sins. YS pd
pada1008 3 years ago
Pada says that A.C. Bhaktivendata Swami did not accept that any of his Godbrothers were qualified to be Guru.
But in 1955, A.C. Bhaktivendata Prabhu was serving as the temple president of the Delhi Gaudiya Matha temple of his Godbrother, Srila B.S.Goswami Maharaj.
In a letter we have, he speaks of Goswami Maharaj's temple as "our Math". He was a member of that Math.
Goswami Maharaj opened 22 temples, and died before Prabhupada went to America. He was a Guru, and his Parampara continues today
damodara82 3 years ago
Yes this is fine, but this does not give the Sridhara and Narayana folks a licence to say that we need to STOP the worship of someone like Jesus, whom their followers sometimes claim is "the posthumous/ post mortem" dead guy, and to instead START the worship of "living" criminals and molesters and then get most of the kids molested? Srila Prabhupada ALSO says "Jesus is my brother," not "he is the post mortem dead guy"? You guys are cherry picking isolated quotes - not citing all of them.
pada1008 3 years ago
The text below is a paragraph from a letter of Srila Prabhupada to B.S.Goswami Maharaj, a co-disciple of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura.
The letter, dated 5 October, 1955, was written at the time when Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swmami was acting in the role of TEMPLE PRESIDENT of the Delhi temple of Goswami Maharaj.
damodara82 3 years ago
You are avoiding the whole issue! Again! In 1936 Sridhara made a homosexual guru fiasco that resulted in beatings and murders, and THEN he supported a worse deviation after 1977. Then Narayana said the 11 are monkeys, so we need to worship them as rati keli (good as God). Monkeys are not as good as God! Meanwhile, your followers say Prabhupada and Jesus are the post morten dead guys but Guru is eternal. Your team stops the worship of the pure, and creates worship of deviants. Thats the point.
pada1008 3 years ago
I am glad that Sripada Sridhara Maharaja has advised you to purchase a land at Mayapur. Yes we we must have a temple at Mayapur. If every one of us possess a temple there, the importance of Sridhama Mayapur will automatically increase and we must have this ideal in view always. I am also glad to learn that you are securing some good land on long lease from the Port commissioners for our Howrah Math. Howrah is a good place for preaching our cult and it behooves that we have a decent Math there.
damodara82 3 years ago
Puranjana you have inherited more than you realize from Anantavasudeva
You probably say, "nama om visnupada krsna presthaya bhu-tale srimate bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati iti namine"
Anantavasudeva wrote that. Did you know that?
For that reason, none of the other lineages coming from Saraswati Thakura chant this. Kesava Maharaj wrote a new pranam mantra. Sridhar Maharaj's followers chant another mantra too, because they reject all connection to anantavasudeva.
But you ISKCONians say that mantra!
damodara82 3 years ago
Right, Prabhupada sometimes praises Gaudiya Matha folk, other times criticizes. OK some good service was done. I was also friends with the 11 before they became "gurus," and they also did good service before 1977. Fine, but that has nothing to do with the point at hand? As soon as I said molesters are not messiahs then Sridhara and Narayana followers kicked me in the face with giant jack boots as they've done ever since. I do not care what mantra you have, molesters aren't messiahs. Period!
pada1008 3 years ago
You"re absolutely right! Molesters cannot be messiahs.. Srila NM is the perfect example of a Vaishnava. He does not engage even in His dreams in any sort of worldly affairs. He gives respect and honor to all and knows perfectly the conclusion of the sastra. What He gives are perfect instuctions to those who are qualified to recieve them. Unqualified persons cannot understand spiritual instructions, they hear them through thier mental faculty as material or even irrelevent. He does not mollest!!!
gettuff2 3 years ago
Yes, as soon as I said that deviants are not Krishna's gurus, then Narayana and Sridhara Maharaja said that I am a ritvik deviant, because I worship a pure messiah and not their molester messiahs. So they give honor to the bogus acharyas and not to Prabhupada, very simple. And this is still the case. NM lets me sit outside his room without talking to me for 10 hours, but as soon as he sees a molester messiah Kirtanananda, NM immediately falls off his chair and hugs the molester messiahs.
pada1008 3 years ago
What difference does it make about Ananta Vasudeva etc. -- if you were a child in the gurukulas after 1977 and Sridhara and Narayana were helping force you to worship molesters as your messiahs? These children were being molested because as soon as I said there was a problem, your team bashed me with shoes and tried to SILENCE me, "oh how offensive, oh what about Vausdeva, oh what about Sridhara sitting in a seat, oh Narayana's book say homosexual acharyas are not wrong," you guys dont care!
pada1008 3 years ago
Actally it is you who does not care."What difference does it make" Your favorite "lost for excuses" statement. Every little thing makes a difference, that is the science of evidence. Without the small bits you cannot make a clear picture. Just like your statements that sound like they have some relavence until some evidence is applied to the picture and it is found to be fraudulent.
You make out Krsnas devotee to be some kind of monster but that monster is only the one in your head..
gettuff2 3 years ago
No, for the children being molested under the jack boots of the GBC/ SM/ NM molester messiah's regime, it makes no difference whatsoever who Ananata Vasudeva was, perhaps -- except that his child was poisoned to death whereas they were being molested, the point is: these regimes mistreat children. Narayan maharajas book even says there was nothing wrong with Vasudeva: false gurus, beatings, murder, poisoning children -- is not wrong? So they never understood that murder / child abuse is wrong.
pada1008 3 years ago
haribol!YES I SAW MAGAZIN AND I THINK STILL HAVE the same. So if NM said that there than he doesnot know scripture in my humble opinion.Simple!Support childmollesting is not Vaisnavas quality!If you learn bhakti from bhogus one bhakti doesnt come.So the real truth will set you free.Thats why you should check GURU first! I checked with Krishna Kant and Pada and got confirmation.They are NOt liers about it.May have differance but it is the same TRUTH.SOmeonemust becheated prabhu wake up!!!
gaurange108 3 years ago
Again , you have gone to a muslim to find out about Krsna. What can I say. If you are happy to listen to blasphemy of Vaishnavas and drink the donkey urine of their apasidhantas then so be it. The allurement of maya is very strong and our tendancy to be controllers remains as long as our head does not rest at the feet of Krsnas' pure Bhaktas. Just remember that offences against the holy Name may be overcome but there is no grace given to those who blaspheme Vaishnavas.
gettuff2 3 years ago
Krishna Karuna sindho!You are amazing Prabhu.First check GURU than come to him to hear.You want Krishna without GURU.You want to be cheated.Krishna wil not respond couse you dont follow instruction, CHECK THE GURU, DONT GO TO SELFMADE VATICAN GURUS.You need to check guru and he has to do the same with you.Krishna Kant and Pada have made the same and others.You are speaking long long long here.Move man!!!Take instruction check guru FIRST or go to muslim couse they are 'fighting fundamen.things
gaurange108 3 years ago
Oh I should check Guru? Pray tell. What should I check for?
gettuff2 3 years ago
Hare Krishna! Mahabagavata is able to liberate YOU not kanishta guru of selfappointed kenguru. S o FIRST find/check that or this guru if he fit conditions and than listen about Krsihna from Him. Thats why!
Hope you gonna understand...
gaurange108 3 years ago
Fine but what are the symptoms of a Mahabhagavata?
gettuff2 3 years ago