Brawl Modding Tutorial - DasDonkey Vertex Box

[MiiJason1800]

i already have dae files for real daisy and rosalina but i donnot know how to use thelm in the game or make them model files for brawlbox can you tell me how to do this without 3ds max because my computer is alreasy slow enough and it could ruin it if i install it!!!

[THEsonicwolf100]

Hey I wanna make Lucario be more Female like. Which vertex is his chest area?

[GiveUpYetGUY]

@THEsonicwolf100 This comment is what we furries like to call win. Win with a side of cleavage.

[Smoothieman7]

i opened up DasDonkey but..it doesnt have that screen it has somwthing different

[THEsonicwolf100]

@Smoothieman7 you must hace version 2.0 he has version 1.0

[THEsonicwolf100]

@Smoothieman7 you must have version 2.0 he has version 1.0

[Appleloosan]

Now, someone make Rainbow Dash Vertex and PSA.

Now.

[ChessPieceRook]

@Appleloosan

They already are.

plus a moveset.

and voices.

and SFX.

[Dogispro]

@Appleloosan This very sonic rainboomin' second.

[MetricInchworm]

I'm making Game and Watch into Commander Video with this.

[Gahoolian165984]

Is there anyway to make an updated 2011 version, where you can use brawl plus?

[Goldencoins]

I'm using DasDonkey Box v2.2. I can't load my ddf file. Help please?

[TheBeninatorj]

@Goldencoins

Yeah, really. It won't load any ddf files for me either.

[ghostofsouls]

says the main startup class could not be found

[shadow0the0human]

Hmmm... I'm trying to make something unseably small. But when I look at the model I can still see it, and then theres this weird scrathing thing covering ev everything o-o

[CrazyBrandondorf]

Could you also help me on the melee thing please?

[sith11234]

A question: I've seen hacks with VertexBox to do stuff like give Link an entirely new sword, or crazy stuff like that that goes beyond just changing the sizes of things. How do you do that sort of thing? There's this other tutorial, but all of its pictures have expired. Do you have any idea how to edit these beyond just size/edit things like clothes and hair?

[TheRyuWolf]

I can't open the 3Ds thing. It says that it's like a file and I have to be opened with a certain program, would you happen to know what that is or how to help me?

[PeachyPerfect15]

What The Sh!t? everytime i download autodesk 3ds max it never work, it says its files are corrupt.

[B16MAN1]

sry bout repeat post

[B16MAN1]

ok well do you jut redownload the trial over and over when it runs out or what because i know there has to be another way i looked and it said that shit was 4 grand thats fuckin ridiculous

[B16MAN1]

ok well do you jut redownload the trial over and over when it runs out or what because i know there has to be another way i looked andit said that shit was 4 grand thats fuckin rediculous

[B16MAN1]

ok well do you jut redownload the trial over and over when it runs out or what because i know there has to be another way

[gamehipnosis]

thanks! awesome video couldent have done it without it



[gorillazhead]

Hopefully I can get the hang of this, I'm looking to make some models and textures for marth.

[lightspeed97]

Does it matter which version of 3DS Max I get?

[Stoshu1234]

Odd...

When unzipping the WinRAR file with the Vertex Box inside, a virus notification appears.

[lilhacker521]

the new one is inposible to use D:

[smbmaster9]

anim8or doesn't want to run on my PC D:

I use Windows 7 Home Premium, and have 2GB of ram and stuff, why won't it run?

It says it's running in task manager, but then just disappears

[LegendOfGohan01]

im like 12 yrs old so I cant donate to you sorry but if i could I would

[LegendOfGohan01]

I don't have a job which means I don't have a work phone number also I dont have a business so I cant download 3ds max could you help me out plz

[zenpiv]

dang it. The new DasDonkey box is nothing like this and it keeps asking for me to either select both the DDF file and an OBJ file or create a "new patch".

then when I click create a new patch it asks me for the OBJ again.

I am so confused, and the official instruction video being in a foreign language doesn't help.

[toonlink444]

@zenpiv Go to kitty corp there is an english guide there but I recomend using mariokart64n's no patch method

[LifeLikePuppet]

Dude use a program called Blender, it has the same power as maya and 3d max look at Blender.org ;).... oh also you can import models from those softwares also

[mfhotwheels1]

I CANT FIND ANY VERTECIES FOLDER!!

[markakramgirgis]

i have tried this 5 times yet the model's part that i edit keeps on streching.Help please.

[123Kiro456]

4:37 "Write It down on a pencil" XD

[greengreens9]

Have I ever told you that your tutorials are wonderful and helpful?

[Zaydifyify]

wait so what happens when u put the hole model in 3ds max

[lilhacker521]

you do know you can do this ALL in brawlbox right?

[zfan122]

I'm trying to install 3ds max trial on my computer, and it installs NOTHING, I've done it twice already and still nothing.

[Pokechao]

I NEED HELP ANIM8or wont run on computer im using windows 7

[nxzluz]

can you remove part from other character and add them on the model

[ShadowTehHedgehog666]

cant you just do the vertex hack if you dont want the animations? or would that make the game feeeze?

[ShadowTehHedgehog666]

cant you just do the vertex hack if all you want is the effect no all the animations?

[TristanPetroskey]

I followed all of your instructions. I opened up Vertex Box and the screen comes up and then goes away. No options come up asking me to create a 3DS file or anything. I don't know what's going on?

[SoraRoxas111]

Apparently there is a new way to vertex edit :/ I feel better with this.

[666M666D666]

hey if test it and it work...but when I load the quest withe the monster the Wii freez.... and in the preview It looks very strange but I dont change this part how looks so!!! Hmmm..... I`m despair with this 3d hack in MH tri...

If you have any idear what I can make or something plz let me know!!!!

cya DEVIL

[1Mik32]

can you check your pm´s wackaAlpaca.

i have a problem with 3ds max

[yoshiboshialt]

EVERYONE HAVING THE "RANDOM POLYGON"S GLITCH:

Dont run it through anim8tor and it will work. :D

[drybones234]

@yoshiboshialt VOTE HIM UP!!!

[yoshiboshialt]

Lols

Just as you said "That guy from spaceballs" I was thinking about that when I saw the helmet XD

[drybones234]

Im downloading 3d max from the site and its just saying downloading for like an hour!!! help?

[link4002]

Hi. I followed the tutorial to make a fairy bow model for Link. I did everything like you did, but when I look at the model on Brawl Box, it does like for gamerC0LA64, the screen is ful of polygons which are shooting in random directions.

Could you help me, because I did it like 10 times, each time it's the same problem.

Thank you.

[Mechachao]

uh, so if all 3ds max is for is editing it and resaving as a .3ds file, could I use a different program that can import and export 3ds files? namely milkshape since it's free and small :X

[randomxfirerecording]

You can use different programs like the free version of fragmotion which is easier and can import .3ds files

[ChrisTheBrawler]

Anim8or just gives me a "the program has stopped working" message the moment I try to run it lol

Anyone know a way to solve this?

[ChromeD9]

Has anybody found a way to fix the infinite poly stretching thing??

[ChromeD9]

Alright the same thing that happened to GamerC0LA64 happened to me. I've done it over like twenty times but each time even if I don't edit anything, there's a bunch of poly stretching. Help?

[ChromeD9]

So like... you can't actually see the thing you're editing in 3DS max? That makes it rather difficult doesn't it?

[WackaAlpaca]

@ChromeD9

Yea it does, but think of it this way,

you are editing the vertices, the individual POINTS of the model, not the model itself.

In this way, we can see that it WOULD be invisible, because a point has no mass.

But yes, it does make it tricky.

XD

[RoytheRoyalBoy]

@WackaAlpaca in other words, connect the dots and u'll see the shape xD

[grady219]

Nice tutorial Wacka. It helped a lot.  I had a little trouble writing the offset on a pencil though.

[gamerC0LA64]

Hey, Wacka. I followed your tutorial, except with Sonic's spines. When I opened the mdl0 in BrawlBox, My changes weren't shown, and there were random polygons shooting out in random directions. Where'd I go wrong?

[WackaAlpaca]

@gamerC0LA64

seems like a compiler error...

my recommendation, do it all again, from scratch.

as you go, do it WITH the tutorial, and make frequents stops.

once you do it once succesfully, do it on your own easily.

[gamerC0LA64]

@WackaAlpaca Thanks! I've actually tried 3 or 4 times. Once or twice with Pikachu. The other times with Sonic. I'll keep trying.

[DarkkirbyKRPG]

@WackaAlpaca DAMMIT

I CANT GET ANIM8OR TO WORK D:

windows 7 ultimate 32 bits D:

any ideas?

[yoshiboshialt]

@WackaAlpaca I found out how to fix it. The new version of dasdoneky doesn't require anim8tor. Just dont run it through there and it will be good1

[TheImran66]

@yoshiboshialt ur a fucking legend thnx

[yoshiboshialt]

@TheImran66 This meathod is old now though, there's a way to edit models now.....

[RoytheRoyalBoy]

@WackaAlpaca same thing happened to me just like gamercola, my changes were shown but there were like ALOT OF RED BLOCKS SHOTTING OUT. editing roys hair

[lockerz102]

@WackaAlpaca same thing happened to me i have tryed it three times and it doesnt fix, im trying to remove marths skirt thing

[DemonJr1992]

@WackaAlpaca What exactly do you mean "by scratch"?

I've tried doing this over and over again with new files all of the time, and i'm still getting errors like he did.

Please help.

[markakramgirgis]

@gamerC0LA64 I made a video on how to edit vertexes check it out you might find the porblem and about the Quills on sonic it depends on how you edit them.

[Flamingwindjutsu]

Does anybody have an idea of how to make this work on Blender3D? I import the 3ds file, and nothing shows up.

[WackaAlpaca]

@Flamingwindjutsu

Sorry man, 3DS Max was the program they designed this with.

I'm pretty sure it's that or nothing.

:(

[Flamingwindjutsu]

@WackaAlpaca I recently discovered through looking around on Kitty Corp that you can use anim8or to export the .3ds file as a .obj which can then be edited in blender. Thanks a lot for the tutorial, you kickass dude.

[TheDalvin2]

@WackaAlpaca thank you thank you i finally got vetex box to create the file but i just don't have 3ds max to open it

[zfan122]

@WackaAlpaca There's a way to do it in blender too isn't there :P

[markakramgirgis]

@Flamingwindjutsu you should watch kittycorpmeowmix's video on how to do that cause it is possible.

[coolme1015]

IT DOES LOOK LIKE DARK HELMET!!!!!

[MaxThunder]

random question... wacka... are you canadian?

[WackaAlpaca]

@MaxThunder

I've been found oot!

I mean... Out!

[MaxThunder]

@WackaAlpaca

yay=)... cause i thought i heard you say zed in another video=)...

[rexroxy]

can you delete vertex points?

[Lazyboy0337]

@rexroxy You can shrink them down to size 0, whih is invisible. But I don't know about deleting

[saigonoid]

i would help if i could because u've helped me learn about brawl hacking but im 11 years old so yea

[TeamAPS]

anim8or wont open for me

[SanitysTheif]

Ok, So I thought maybe it's 3d Max . So I followed the instructions again but this time after Vertex Box creates the DDV.3ds file, I ran Vetex Box again and used that DDV.3ds file to be inserted into model.mdl0, which in theory should create the exact same model.mdl0 as the original. I loaded the Model preview with this test and BAM same problem, same stupid curtain planes that stretch on forever right in the middle of my char model.

[toonlink444]

@SanitysTheif

same thing happened to me. I have a 64-bit laptop and it didn't work, so I used a 32-bit PC and it still didn't work. Hey WackaAlpaca can you send me a working Vertex Box please?

[toonlink444]

@toonlink444

Sorry that sounded a little mean, but do you have an idea that can fix this

[Titanoverlord28]

@SanitysTheif SAME WITH ME NO MATER WHAT I TRY!!!!!!!!!!!

[SanitysTheif]

So then I thought may be I did something wrong with 3d max editing.. So I followed the instructions again but this time when I lmported to 3d max, I did not edited anything. I just exported as is; ran anim8tor; then ran Vertex Box ect. Loaded the model preview and BAM...same problem.

[SanitysTheif]

Not only does the new model not show any changes I made, it seems to have added about 5 or so vertices on the vertex file I edited. These unkown vertices intersect perpendicular to eachother and stretch out without limit. With textures filling in these vertices, it creates infinitely long curtains that are in the middle of my character. VERY Strange.

[WackaAlpaca]

"Spaghetti Cat, I weep for you!" - Perry Grip

I also weep for your old comp, which was riddled with viruses.

XD

[sonicfreak360]

lol, i got 3ds max off of the way you didn't mention. :)

[WackaAlpaca]

Ah yes, good thing I did not mention it then.

;)

[dementedstickfigure]

You know, FireFox's spelling correction says that "vertices" isn't a word, but "vertexes" is.

Just felt like sharing.

[emaildude99]

What the hell is a matter with the voicing in this fucking video! It's getting pretty damn annoying. NICE JOB

[WackaAlpaca]

@emaildude99

It isnt that bad...

You should watch my first tuts, the ones i did on my laptop.

:)

[kittycorpmeowmix]

Nice tutorial you got there. 5 stars. Might want to link to Das Donkey Team and KittyCorp: MeowMix if you're throw'n cloud around in the first minute though. ;D

[KimashiZ812]

Sorry if this is off the subject of help and suppport but

4:38 "Write it down on a pencil"

Lol

[WackaAlpaca]

Lol

yea, I almost always take my vids on the first take, so i sometimes say weird things.

XD

[emaildude99]

Yes, you must write down on a pencil or else the number won't be accepted.

LOL

[WackaAlpaca]

@KimashiZ812

Lol, I did say that.

Good catch man.

[blerbman]

Hm, so basically you need to have the same amount of vertices as the original group or otherwise this won't work.

Stupid. Looks like I'll have to to tinker with it and see what I get.

[kenonerboy]

damn animator doesnt work on my laptop its a HP pavilion dv6000. my graphik is nvidia. can some one help?

[WackaAlpaca]

upgrade?

lol, how can we help?

:P

[Smoenator]

Using Das Donkey Vertex Box and a dae to 3ds converter, couldn't you theoretically use this import models into brawl?

[WackaAlpaca]

technically, but what you are really doing is editing the vertex's of a pre-existing model.

so if you did this with something with MORE/LESS vertices, it wouldnt work.

:(

[zanzaroxas]

Anim8or doesn't work for me.

[WackaAlpaca]

re-download

if that doesnt work, check out their forums as to why it doesnt.

[zanzaroxas]

I happen to have an intel graphics card which means i cant use anim8or.....

sucks balls.....

any other program that'll work the same?

[WackaAlpaca]

nope.

these are the programs they set this up with...

sorry bro.

[zanzaroxas]

D=

I already started making a keyblade for pit when i realized this.

[WackaAlpaca]

Wow... that sucks balls.

[zanzaroxas]

yeah...

Oh well i have 2 animation hacks i can focus more on then.

[maniclehedgehog]

When I try to import the 3ds file it says improper file format. What am I doing wrong?

[WackaAlpaca]

IMPORT

not open.

IMPORT

ok, now that that is out of the way, make sure your files are in the right place/right name. THE NAMES MATTER.

[Ghork0]

I get that problem too, but it's just for two of cubones vertices all other work :(

[zanzaroxas]

@Ghork0

BrawlBox or PSA to shrink or expand the whole model at once.

Gotta put in work for something amazing.

[WackaAlpaca]

@zanzaroxas

oh... well thats basically what i was saying, but... yea. lol good job for answering!

[Ghork0]

how do I do to edit the whole character like this? not one part at a time

[WackaAlpaca]

@Ghork0

cant be done, be patient and do it right!

:)

[WackaAlpaca]

@darkespeon27

yup! shouldnt be long, everyone wants to add their stuff to BB so we can edit from one single app.

[RyoushiMasurao]

Do you know how to make custom animations? =)

[WackaAlpaca]

@RyoushiMasurao

Brawlbox tutorial - editing animations

just do that... doi!

[RyoushiMasurao]

@WackaAlpaca i dont mean like that, I mean TOTALLY NEW ANIMATIONS, like link having his arm down when he stands and no shield

like sonic's attack 11 being some sorta elbow attack

[WackaAlpaca]

Yea... just go to the animation you want to make a new animation for, and DELETE all the frames, except frame 0 (T stance).

then just make new frames and edit them to go along a animation! enjoy!

[RyoushiMasurao]

@WackaAlpaca thats hard but ok

[RadiantAfroDude2]

can we get the link fro the brawl mdl0 files ? :(

[RadiantAfroDude2]

nevermind i figured it out

[Smoenator]

Just wondering, will they actually send me stuff in the mail and call me, or is it just so they have the capability to stalk me?

[WackaAlpaca]

@Smoenator

lol no, it is actually just to know WHY you are using it, for example, business, student, etc.

no spam there! ive signed up abunch of times :)

[OwOLink]

I don't think you absolutely need 3ds max but it looks like it'd be alot easier then using anim8or.

for the people who rather just use anim8or, You'll have to switch it to point view and then to edit you click a point and then use the arrow keys, but I'd rather use 3ds max because its easier in the long run especially when editing large things like body's etc

[OwOLink]

Thanks for the tutorial, well alot of your tutorials, I'm sure I'd figure it out eventually but this helps keep things flowing you know? hopefully I can finish project grandma ;D xD

[aluran]

Wait a minute Wacka have you ever used blender its an open-source 3d modeling software it might come in handy over 3ds max you know

[WackaAlpaca]

@aluran

first off, i have tried blender, mostly for its built in game engine; second off, 3DS Max is infinitely better, and i am VERY well versed in 3DS Max, so learning a free, worse program, isnt worth my while. Im trying to learn Maya, but... maybe later.

thanks for the suggestion though!

[aluran]

Maya is pro!!!!!

[WackaAlpaca]

yea thats why i said in the vid somewhere:

"This wont apply to a lot of people, because of all the downloads"

Oh well, maybe one day we can have our own editor!

look forward to it.

[Smoenator]

Awesome tutorial! Too bad I'll only be able to have 3ds Max for 30 days, I doubt that will be enough for me to get done what I want to...

[WackaAlpaca]

you can get the trial infinite times!

or... just download it...

;)

but dont tell em i sent'cha!

[MrStewart950]

How would I do this in anim8or? I can't see any of the vertices.

I don't want to use the trial since... it's a trial.

[WackaAlpaca]

i dont know how to use anim8or

"Its a mickey mouse program"

lol

i would highly recommend the 3DS Max trial (It isnt that hard to get)

:)

[RockXero77]

Hehe, I should make Sephiroth with this. EXTEND THE HAIR! AND THE SWORD!

[WackaAlpaca]

extend the Pe... nevermind... that was a video i saw on the net...

I MEAN.... WHAT?!

[RockXero77]

Wacka, have you been into the hentai again...

[WackaAlpaca]

@RockXero77

OH MAN!

*Hides in bathroom*

[shinlung]

I made sure to donate to you since this tutorial will help me make Mighty the Armidillo. Thanks a bunch WackaAlpaca. ^^

[WackaAlpaca]

And thank you!

I hope everything in your project goes extremely well!

[MR0KITTY]

1) I'd donate but I don't have a credit card or anything D:

2) I saw another tutorial/method kind of like this, only it involved a hex editor, anim8r, and something named "1234 to 4321."

[Smoenator]

Trust me, it is much harder to do it that way if you are an incompetant hexer (like me). This method was a godsend to me and is much much easier.

[WackaAlpaca]

smoenator is right, that way is... arguably 30 times harder for nubs, the same hardness for pros.

this way is a HUGE advancement. relish in it.

[RyoushiMasurao]

1.BIG HELMET

2. Random question but do you have Modern Warfare on ur comp, if so can u tell me how to get it

3. Lol at panda

4. Sweet tutorial

[WackaAlpaca]

1: hellz yea

2: i haz, i cant tell you... but i could point you towards typing it into google, with a word starting with T at the end. :)

3: I like.... pandas.

4): Thanks!

[supermarioVB64]

ooh this looks good;) ill try this today lol

[Krisbaruchis]

Saludos del equipo DasDonkey, buen video.

Att: Bardack_X

[WackaAlpaca]

@Krisbaruchis

Gracias! Tienen una gran vida!

[FuckedYourDad]

i skipped around this video to see what dasdonkey is, and i saw falcon, does that mean you can make marth have no cape?

and that sucks you cant make more, but i understand, sorry i cant donate

[uGotNachoed]

@FuckedYourDad you can make marth have no cape by just editing its texture. just select it and hit "delete". you dont have to use the vertex box for this, but if you want it to be bigger or something, you have to use vertex box (or edit every single frame of his animations per brawlbox :P )

[FuckedYourDad]

thanks ill try it out, last time i tried to delete it, the program wouldnt let me, i think i had an old version.

[WackaAlpaca]

@FuckedYourDad

yea you delete the TEXTURE (So it becomes invisible) not the polygon (Otherwise it crashes).

also, if you WANT to delete the polygon, check out my automatic polygon remover tut!

[AkariUn]

I only want to add, that someone can leave DasDonkey Vertex Box Opened

Thanks for the tutorial dude, Ill put on the main post

[WackaAlpaca]

@AkariUn

Sweet thanks man!

Yea, i know you can leave the box itself open, i just like having a nice clean work environment, ya know?

Thanks again!

[CR4CK3RW0LF]

no more tutorials??

BUT... BUT...

I HAS NO MONIES!?!?!?!

i would happily give you some if i had any... :(

[SuperBlizHedgehog]

Man!!! I wish I could donate money to you but my parents won't let me. You having a good job must mean much to your fans. (I hope!) Well, good luck with your job finding!