klemperer

[classicontemporary]

0:40付近で2nd Vnがすごい困ってる！lol

[winrx]

Why? Because your bowings are retarded!

[ellandelachapelle]

I don´t care what he says. I admire and love his art as much as Walter´s!

[kyvcbs]

コン・マスが反抗してる…！「down・downでしょう」と。

そこで、「up・up」を指示するあたり、マエストロもフレージ­ングに対して、結構「ロマンティック」なところがあるんじゃない­ですか？

勿論、真意は判りかねますが。



[reviewsvoiceontube]

I`d like to express my admiration for Otto Klemperer-direct, at times harsh as seen here, bipolar, afflicted with health issues as obvious, intellectual and all-in-music with his energy- unpretentious, except a justified intellectual vanity...a solitaire.

I am greatfull I found some records of Beethoven and Mozart recordings in my parents collection when I was a boy-my first introduction to the great conductor.

[ktimene82]

He´s always been my favourite in Hogan´s Heroes!

[saintsrule]

@ktimene82 Very good... he does look like his son

but may favourite is still Schultz who in real life was an Austrian jew

but i know nothing NOTHING!!!

[Augbo]

Sn0wEdge, Lotte was his manager. Because he had severe Bipolar Mania plus other physical handicaps, she not only had to keep him conducting music to keep him working and control his behaviors, but she had to convince orchestral societies to allow her father to conduct in spite of his depression/mania.

[Augbo]

This video also shows the Maestro's handicaps.

In the 1920s, Dr. Klemperer suffered a blow to the back of his head that later became a tumor. The operation he received to remove it in Boston was botched, leaving him with partial paralysis on his right side; it also left him with advanced bipolar disorder, which is why his daughter became so important as his manager.

To control his behaviors, she had to keep him working; he couldn't get work because of his depression and mania. She was heroic

[CaptainBluebear08]

@Augbo

Well, and the tumor wasn't really one as I recall. His bipolar streak existed already before the operation as the singer Elisabeth Schumann later said; but most probably it did worsen it.

[Augbo]

Yes, CaptainBluebear08, the operation did render his Bipolar Mania morbid.

That morbidity increased as he lived and worked in the United States of America, when he preferred to live and work close to his home, in Europe.

Nevertheless, his story is a classic example of work as therapy, as opposed to what most psychiatrists today offer, being drugs, drugs, and more drugs.

If only psychiatric clinics could use Otto and Lotte Klemperer as examples of proper psychiatric treatment!!

[CaptainBluebear08]

@Augbo

She was something of a sainte. We owe her a lot.

Klempie was able to continue working indeed (well, most of the time) exactly because he had Lotte. Not many women nowadays can afford/are willing to this sacrifice.

Plus, he obviously liked the job. Being conductor is "one of those professions". Difficult to imagine the same story here with a teacher, bricklayer or a 9to5 clerk.

[CaptainBluebear08]

During the first rehearsal of an unusual as well as difficult modern piece, which did not go very well, Klemperer knocked off and shouted at the musicians (who played from the sheet): "The white is the paper, and the black is the music!"

[Klemperer]

That's funny, SnOwEdge. You are related by name^^, I am only by nickname^^. My father used to own all recordings with Klemperer he could get hold of - and so I listened to them as a kid, and until now I just love many many of his interpretations. And I got a few letters by his daughter, Lotte Klemperer, years ago. In many situations of his life, without Lotte her father would have been lost.

[Scissors8311]

The bows he "gave them" are absolutely crap. As a conductor I can judge that and no single violinist in the whole world would do it the way he does it. Just look at the second violins, that's exactly how you have to do it:

With a down bow on the second pitch, with that technique you can show the "sarabande"-like style of this episode which I think is absolutely cruxial in this ouverture.

[fabriou]

I think klemperer is "a bit" more important than you as a conductor....isn't he?

[Scissors8311]

I didn't say I am more important than Klemperer. That would be absolutely inappropriate. I just wanted to illustrate that nowadays this would not work any more and that even the best conductors (Klemperer surely was one of them) make some mistakes or don't solve every problem the best way.

I would do it in a different way (as I have already described). How would you do it then? Are you also a conductor?

[xylopp]

well...if you are a conductor, you know that this fight isn´t about bowing. If you are a violinist , you know it`s not a sarabande....

so think about it.

[Scissors8311]

I am a conductor and what Klemperer shows them is the bowing he wants them to do. And the second subject of the ouverture is composed as an allusion to the baroque "sarabande" style.

So why don't you just shut up...?

[Scissors8311]

By the way: Just have a look at what Karajan makes out of it (also on youtube). His bowings are fantastic, exactly the way I would do it.!!!

[xylopp]

No need to be agressive my friend....but maybe time to study your materia a little more.....if you want to become a good conductor.

[CaptainBluebear08]

"Why don't you take the bows I gave you?!!"

Thanks for posting exactly this part about "dzie absoljute iemmoraliestt"

Epic

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