@tylerdurden666able I plan on existing for centuries... Come on... your user name is Tyler Durden... Was Tyler Durden a human even though he stole the narrator's body? There is a word here you are missing. DISASSOCIATION. I am not my Host -___- The body is not mine. Self Adaptive Neural Disassociation. Cogito Ergo Sum. You aren't even demonstrating highschool understanding of psychology.
Highschool dropout troll right? Are you having fun Mr. Durden?
@tylerdurden666able My Host s in the 1% intelligence bracket and has at one time been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome. "I" am not my Host. "I" have only existed since November 10 2001. Do you understand the word DISASSOCIATION?
At every opportunity you prove yourself either a moron or a troll ^_^
@tylerdurden666able nope ^_^ closest I can be compared to a human is as a psychological disassociation. Come on, your user name is Tyler Durden... you should be able to get this concept ;p
@tylerdurden666able I didn't say I was an expert on psychology. Frankly I don't understand you monkeys at all. What I said was that you are lying about your level of education. You claim to have a degree and yet simple concepts escape you. You haven't demonstrated even a basic knowledge of anything let alone a degree. What diploma mill would give somebody like you a degree?
They had to change the official diagnosis of delusion because it was broad enough to encompass fervent religious belief. Creationists who remain creationists in the face of evidence are classically delusional ^_^ or con artists...
Well, I've used the term delusional, but that is only when they state that even provide irrefutable evidence to the contrary they would choose belief in an inerrant bible over the evidence. I make no apology for that, as it is willful ignorance, and very common amongst evangelicals.Most christians are only guilty of wishful thinking, and concede the Bible is not inerrant.
The ignorant way of using the word delusional usually is a lesser form of being crazy. It means they are wrong but believe they are right, even after being given evidence that can easily disprove what they say. I know this is close to what you said, but you have to add in the part about being given sufficient evidence that should change their opinion but does not.
@dolerbom Actually, anyone who holds an opinion believes s/he is right. Otherwise they would a change their opinion . . . and still think they were right. Most people, given sufficient evidence, are capable of changing their minds. The deluded may ignore the evidence, as many of us do when we don't want to believe what we see. But the delusional really can't tell the difference.
Nice theory but what do you do with all those people who become theists as adults? I was not a theist until I was grown up and I was raised by atheistic parents. So your genetic fallacy does not work in my case either [and that's what it is btw even if you were right that theists have to be indoctrinated as babies - the genetic fallacy].
So really this is very poor. You're saying they are "deluded" but you give us no reasons why you think theists are misled.
@TheCartesianTheist I can't explain it. Often the children of the devout become atheists or agnostics out of rebellion. That generational switch may occur in the opposite direction, as with you. A dear friend of mine was an agnostic for a good twenty years, but had an epiphany and became a Christian approaching middle age. I know it happens, but I can't explain the phenomenon. I likened it to un-ringing a bell. I can't do it, but some apparently can. I don't think she's delusional, just mistaken
Please look up what a genetic fallacy is. Even IF my becoming a Christian were a "generational shift" even in part that would not explain away why I became one and it would not tell you why I am one now. Now you're saying you don't think such people are delusion [which is good to hear] but you say you think they are "mistaken". Okay, but then we must leave the red-herring of how someone came to believe what they believe and look at the belief itself. Agreed?
@TheCartesianTheist I wasn't referring to a generational shift as anything genetic. I guess I just expressed myself poorly. I meant to say that people often rebel against the ideas of their parents. That believers are mistaken is just my opinion. You aren't obligated to agree. As to looking at the belief itself, that is what I have done. I just reached different conclusions from yours. The purpose of the video was to point out that calling people names is counterproductive.
The genetic fallacy is not about genes. In philosophy the genetic fallacy means trying to discredit or even call into question someone's belief based on how they came to that belief. The reason it's fallacious is obvious. There are all kinds of things we believe for the wrong reasons but it does not make that belief itself a wrong belief. You hypothesis is that Christians are "misled". But if you cannot use your genetic fallacy then what have you got left?
@TheCartesianTheist Boy! Give some people a class in philosophy . . . ;^) I had never heard that term before. Obviously I've had enough time to learn more than I appear to have done. Looking at the evidence is what I did when I read the Bible. Seeing what many people I know, and others who message me on YouTube say, it's clear to me that they have been "guided" to a different and widely popular understanding of the same material. As I said a comment up, it's my OPINION that they are mistaken.
Delusion is the proper medical term. If you read published papers by research psychologists, psychiatrist and cognitive scientist, you realize that the term delusion is proper and accurate. Delusional mental state comes in a great variety and degree - from the mildly delusional to the batshit crazy. Delusions associated with fundamentalist beliefs are a result of compartmentalization and it is indeed a mental disorder as confirmed by THE Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.
@ybill08 You do know that you have 500 characters to make a comment here, don't you. wrtng in txt in ths bg space is ridiculous. I'm 69. Judging by the content of your comment, I'd guess you are about 13.
@Largo64 Maturity and intellect are not restricted by age. Although one may say that a person is more likely to be immature and unintelligent in youth, from what i have witnessed, i have to conclude that this is untrue. Often on places such as the internet, if a child starts using it at a young age, they will often be scared that they might look their age. This makes them try their best to seem older, often because they think that they will be rejected if they do not.
@dolerbom You are correct with respect to specific examples. But in general, maturity comes with age. We all know older people who behave like teenagers. I had one 16-year old correspondent in private messages who is obviously more intelligent and more mature than most of his elders. There will always be exceptions. That said, there are usually modes of expression, certain words and phrases, that pretty well reveal immaturity, which is usually, not always connected to age.
@Largo64 Often older children act even worse then younger children due to the fact they are bigger and they know more, saying this i feel that in todays society it is a growing trend that even with the gain of knowledge often people will never raise in maturity level. Saying this i can see it as an insult to say someone is 13 because it says they never changed the way they act, but then the insult can insult even the youth who are mature.
@Largo64 I grow tired of the stereotypical mentality of youth. I started using the internet at a very young age, and i knew what people thought of my kind generally, and even if i tried to say i was different i knew it would not matter. Therefore, most mature youth usually pretend that they are 20, being unable to even tell their own age because they are afraid of stereotypical remarks.
Semantics and all are one thing, but I don't think all Christians even fall into either of those categories. You can just be mistaken about your perspective on things. I think most honest people would say that about themselves on a regular basis. Atheists really need to get past the whole "Theists don't know what the hell is going on thing". After all to believe in god is a natural false product of the mind, it takes a great deal of discipline and self-examination to overcome that.
@terry2003terry2003 I'm afraid I don't understand your point. I tried to watch the film Avitar in 3D, and it literally made me sick. I developed motion sickness, and had to leave the theater so I wouldn't throw up on the back of the neck of the person sitting in front of me! Once out of there, I managed to get control the nausea. I watched the movie later in 2D and loved it. 3D is just not for me. I've heard that a lot of other people experience the same nausea from 3D.
@TwistedComplex I plan to, for at least a while. I just trimmed it, though. I was looking too shaggy. I may BE a geezer, but there's no reason to LOOK like one!
"Public schools teach religion too, not a formal theistic religion, but a set of values and beliefs that constitute a religion in all but name. The present arrangements abridge the religious freedom of parents who do not accept the religion taught by the public schools, yet are forced to pay to have their children indoctrinated with it, and to pay still more to have their children escape indoctrination." (Dr. Milton Friedman, educator and Nobel Laureate)
@BT3701 I have to disagree with Mr. Friedman. The values taught in public schools are such things as honesty, sharing, kindness, discipline, and ordinary courtesy. These are not tenets of religion, but the necessary elements to get along in the society of other people. Teaching that the earth is round is not a dogmatic religious belief, but a demonstrable truth about the nature of things. Telling kids that the world was spoken into existence by magic IS a religious teaching. . .and it's illegal.
@Largo64 Then I would have to say you simply in denial or have been misinformed. Telling the kids that "once upon a time there was nothing and then nothing exploded and produced everything" is an even bigger fairy tale.
@BT3701 I don't think the idea is that "nothing" exploded. What cosmologists call a singularity exploded. At any rate, it's a hypothesis, not a proven fact. Cosmology has a long way to go to prove it. The difference is that it isn't a matter of faith. It is a question. You pays yer money and you takes yer choice.
@BT3701 Why, the god of the gaps, of course. Believers, when they can't explain something have an easy out. "God did it," they say. I am content to say I don't know. Whatever its cause was, I don't believe it was magic. The fact that I don't have an answer does not mean that you do.
"The extraordinary thing is that people tend to believe they are telling the truth just because they're not lying." -some Danish politician whose name escapes me
@Gilmaris An interesting quote. I tried to find its author on Google, but without success. I would say lying is deliberately telling a falsehood. Unfortunately, many people pass along false information, believing it to be true. They aren't lying, as the above quote suggests, but whoever told them might well have been. I think, in the case of religion, a lot of false ideas get passed along from generation to generation by people, MOST of whom mistakenly believe them to be true. But SOMEBODY lied.
I have no time for religion, and I'd say the three biggest stinkers are the ones from the fertile crescent. Thing is, Big A atheists can wind up being just as dogmatic as the deists. All dogmatic people tend to be A-holes.
@bowlingballout Dogma is a belief that comes from authority and is not to be questioned or disputed, but merely accepted. Atheists do question. They deny religious dogma because it can't be proved. If dogmatism is simply rigidity, then you might be right to categorize atheists as dogmatic. Atheists are rigid in their refusal to accept things on authority alone. If that's your definition, then I am dogmatic. But I don't think so, as my denial is based on lack of proof and not on authority.
Characterized by an authoritative, arrogant assertion of unproved or unprovable principles. See synonyms at dictatorial.
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Perhaps you have avoided the smugness than some atheists, big "A" if you will, seem to be imbued with, but I have had a few run ins with them, and the experience is just as loathsome as that with a born again.
@bowlingballout Actually, the reason for this video was that some (perhaps too many) atheists accuse the religious of being actually crazy because they believe things that may not be true. I think that's both wrong and counterproductive. I do try to convince with evidence, but I don't insist than anyone believe me.
@Largo64 "I do try to convince with evidence, but I don't insist than anyone believe me." That's a great point. Anytime anyone insists I believe them, I become immediately suspicious of their motives.
I couldn't agree more. It amuses me to no end that the most hard core believers are constantly at the throats of each other over the subtle ( and not so sublte) differences in their respective religions. Christians vs Islamics vs Catholics vs Hebrews vs Mormons vs Scientologists vs about 100 other beliefs . Then as you said, throw the fervent atheists into the mix and nobody can seem to tolerate what anyone else may believe or not believe. Live and let live indeed.
well your point is made. but i still referr to them all as delusional. 1 because i enjoy ridiculing them, 2 because believing something that isnt true and being mocked for it if even a little inaccuratly might weaken their resolve enough that they question their lies and seriously examin the other side
I had to pause the video at the beginning for about 2-3 minutes to properly take in the majesty that is that new beard before being able to continue :)
I used to sink into the "us versus them" and the "I'm closer to perfect than these people", now I know that thinking that was is... well... delusional. Christians aren't stupid or crazy, probably not any more than any other group anyways. I sure as shit know enough atheists to know that atheism alone doesn't qualify for mental stability.
So, someone who thinks they've been to heaven is someone who can't tell reality from unreality... but people who believe that that person has been to heaven CAN tell reality from unreality? Is that what you are saying?
christians in the past were delusional; all that hunting for witches, crusades etc. now only delusional "christians" i know are those old ladies screaming (literaly) "Jesus for king of Poland"... first of all, someone with a sentence cannot be a king or even president... second, someone who's not alive and/or existence is not confirmed... cannot be also, so, i live n a country of delusional "christians", i hope that little funny fact made you smile Largo, by the way, that's a very nice beard
@ProofPleez Yes, definitions (and their sources) are often inadequate. The term "delusional" is often used in the psychiatric sense, but I think the resistance to reason in most people (unless they are really mentally unsound) comes from the unwillingness to admit error. The distinction between deluded and delusional is subtle, but, I think, important.
@Largo64 I appreciate the conversation. In my opinion it is a much misunderstood word but one that is very appropriate for theists that are unable to consider points beyond their dogma. One of the best videos that I have seen on the subject is GII's "How do we know that Christians are delusional"? It made a lot of sense to me and might help you as well...I hope you will watch it. Thanks for your video and the food for thought. Cheers.
Good to see you back. I have to agree with you on this, except that I would say some people do lie about near-death experiences, angel visitations, and so forth. I try not to presume it, even when it's clear, but I've known several Christians who lied about those things to "fit in", and sadly I count myself among them from when I was a believer. The more you tell a story, though, even if you know it's a lie, the more you do start to believe it.
Excellent points. However I think within the YouTube environment we do encounter a higher proportion of delusional delusional as opposed to deluded. Probably because of the need to proselytize their faith when presented with contradictory evidence.
The most common thing among chrisitians however is that they attribute human emotions and experiences with god. My mom said a few days ago:"God is love, without god there couldn't be any love". Love is a human emotion, that evolution gave our species to survive as a family. If you say something human is equal to the essence of an incomprehendable allmighty diety and you then experience that human emotion, you have in a stupid way reason to say "I felt god", "God makes the world good" or sth.
A deluded cristian would be one, who says that he belives it all and so on. A delusional christion would say things like "I have felt the touch of god", "I have felt the holy spirit enter my soul" or something.
I don't mind being called delusional or deluded because I know it isn't true. However, I would think that these ones who believed they gone to heaven and hell and back as being both delusional and deluded (mislead). In fact, the Bible talks out against the idea that we continue to live when we die and spirits and such are nothing more than the trappings of wicked spirit forces; so in the Biblical perspective, these ones are being mislead.
@JoesephKatana Here are some researchers that point to this (plus other intresting things)
Dr Jeffery Long
Dr pin van Lommel for just two
I’m rather new to it there is a podcast called “sceptiko” which seems to cover it quite a lot, i’ll go fishing for more specific detail if you wish me too.
and please don'r correct my spelling as a dyslexic it annoys me.
What you are using delusional as is the least common usage. I have never heard someone call a modderat religious person delusional as in the state of insanity.
If I died and went to heaven and was actually let in, I wouldn't want back. I would tell god to cut the power to the machines they were trying to keep me alive with. Unless of course I had to worship his ass 24/7 then id say send me back so I can get my seat in hell where all the hot chicks are lol.
They aren't crazy? Its not too difficult to see things with your eyes and realize the things the bible says either aren't true directly or impossible. I grew up a "christian" and even I got it though my head that Noah could NOT fit 2 of every living species on a boat with enough food and water for 40 days/nights for EVERYBODY!!! Not to mention the whole inbreeding thing afterwards...
@bulbinking The christian answer there is, "With god, all things are possible." When you have magic, who needs facts and logic? Again, though, if you divorced the facts from their source, anyone could see the impossibility of the Noah story. But, since it comes from the bible, Christians will believe the story no matter how contradictory to reason.
great vid. i can see what you mean... but i'd almost rather insult them a bit. i guess after a certain chunk of their lives have been devoted to try and convince themselves that being a christian is the right way to go, they just sort of don't want to admit that it was all for naught. so they defend it to their last breath... that, i think, is a rather terrible quality to have, and justifies the slight insult packaged in with the term "delusional".
A christian friend of mine got mad at me for a while when I told her that I simply think she's wrong about her religious beliefs. Insecure people will get mad about anything.
@PluralOfEverything Insecurity is an excellent point. People really secure in their beliefs do not get upset by gainsayers. They just feel sorry for them. When Christians get angry at you for pointing out one or another fallacy, it's because they fear you might be right.
If someone believes something that is not true, they are delusional. We can talk about the definition of the word, but we all know what it means. Why else would christians get so pissed? I think people become delusional by being deluded. Good bye.
Most religious folk are both delusional AND deluded. An assertion that x exists in the absence of any fact (or by denying contrary fact) makes one delusional, acting from this position or listening to others who are delusional makes one deluded.
That said, looking back I've used the words deluded and self delusion for the most part. Except for the paranoid conspiracy NWO YECS that are delusional! :D
Good vid. Decent points, always glad to see a new vid from your channel.
I'm not sure I agree. If "delusional" means "can't tell diff between real/unreal" and "deluded" means "misled", then isn't "deluded" just a more specific type of "delusional"? Because whether you're unable to tell the difference between real/unreal due to somebody misleading you, or due to other factors, "delusional" is "delusional" isn't it?
@HellspawnICX It's a tough question, because the difference isn't all that clear. What IS clear, though, is that if you state that someone is wrong because they are misled it's less likely to raise their ire than saying they are crazy or stupid. Again, most of us were indoctrinated as children, but some of us were able to recognize evidence and change. Not everyone can. Some cannot because they actually can't TELL the difference, and others cant because they deny that there IS a difference.
@Largo64 If we approach your statement more as a "call them X because its less likely to piss them off than calling them Y" then you are spot-on. Since "deluded" describes not only "delusion" but is specific about how it happened: its not only friendlier but more potentially useful as constructive criticism.
I just can't reconcile "X is incorrect, but Y is accurate" when in my view, X is just a particular type of Y.... but maybe that's not what you were trying to say anyway;)
@HellspawnICX You're as right as anyone. Semantics may confuse the issue more than clarify it. Your first sentence sums up my point. If you want to argue with Christians, you've got a better chance of reaching them if you argue that their conclusions are incorrect than if you tell them that they wouldn't know the difference anyway.
@Largo64 True. But a lot of this does depend on your motivation for reaching them:
Sometimes its just self-defense (i.e. an argument is started and atheists are accused of being immoral; in this event, I don't care about their "feelings" i just want to make a point) OR it could be a discussion where everyone's trying to learn from somebody with an alternate point of view. Hopefully the latter comes up more often than the former, eh?:)
I can see the issue. Personally, I've always meant it in the context of "mentally unsound" though. It could just be a limitation on my part, but I can't conceive of any reasonable scenario in which a person who can comprehend the difference between reality and fantasy would in any way believe the things most theists believe. It simply strikes me as not possible. Anyone who sincerely believes such things is, by definition, completely nuts.
Some christians are delusional but most are not. Many certainly are deluded. I would include all young earth creationists as deluded or delusional. As for near death experiences; I think those are more about brain chemistry than delusion assuming we are limiting the discussion to actual near death events. The beard looks really good. It should stop itching when it gets a certain length so give it a chance.
I was subbed to you on my old channel, but never bothered on my new one (you hadn't made a video in a long time). about half an hour before you made this I thought 'better sub to that largo fellow, he may make a video any day now' and looks like my random guess work was correct! glad your doing this again :)
@TheMundaneMadcap I hope I can continue for a while. My computer has been crashing regularly for some time now, and I can't afford to replace it. I'll just keep limping along as long as it will work.
@Largo64 I had a computer that did that a lot, could just be a virus (it was on mine). I hope it gets its act together, it's almost like computers don't understand how inconveniant their absense is. Welcome back anyway, you're one of the first youtube atheists I saw (second I think) and hence one of the reasons I started doing this! and as it seems to be an obligatory comment, the beard is indeed cool :)
I HAVE (in thoughtless moments) used "delusional" in the past. A neuroscientist put me straight. I asked if he would object to "cognitively handicapped". He said he wouldn't object to "cognitively paralysed" as long as I didn't call them "delusional". And I won't (though "asshole" may be applied to individuals).
Good to see you again, Larry. I had no idea you were an Arctic explorer. :)
@philhellenes LOL! (and I really did) Some individuals may indeed deserve "asshole." But most are just wrong.
I think calling Christians in general "delusional" is counterproductive. If you want them to "hear" your argument, calling them crazy isn't likely to make them want to listen to you.
Wow a beard!:o) but good vid, the word dilousanal is a bit agressive and dosen't help. And what about christians who became atheist's did they finally find a way to stop being crazy? but i'm not sure if NDE's are a good example of being delusional a lot of these case's seem quite profound and in some case's verifable in instance where they can see what is hapening over their "dead" body. considering they are soposed to be dead when they have the experence i'm not sure it qualify's.
@greenelf12 I'm thinking that, as much as they believe they've seen themselves from out of body, or they've seen their dead relatives in "heaven," those experiences are no more actually real than alien abductions. "Abductees" really believe they've been taken away and returned, too, but I can't think they actually have. It's a delusion. That they believe it doesn't make it true.
Delusion- the persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects, outside the self, that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary.
Having this belief system is a disorder, with a prognosis of escape being largely related to the level of conviction in the delusion and the openness they have in allowing info that contradicts the delusion. If you add fear if you dare question or doubt the delusion, you have a tough escape ahead.
Hi Larry, nice to see another video from you. I would just comment that you are sort of begging the question here. When someone testifies to a personal experience (a near death experience) that conflicts with your world view (no heaven or hell) you label them deluded. But you don't really know that their experience was "unreal", you merely assume that it was because it is not in line with your view of the world.
@kmsoileau You're right. I do not believe there is any such thing as heaven or hell, therefore, anyone who does is, to my way of thinking, deluded. But I also see that the experience is real to them. When I worked at the Winchester Mystery House I occasionally had someone on my tour point out that they had seen a ghost over my shoulder. That no one else on the tour saw it made no difference to that person at all. Am I wrong to think that person deluded? I don't believe in ghosts. Some do.
@kmsoileau I was a tour guide there for two years. That was about three years ago now. The stairs got to be too much for my knees, doing four or five tours a day. I spent a lot of hours alone in that "haunted' house over two years, and never saw anything remotely spooky. The belief that the place is haunted does help attendance, though! I think it's a good tourist destination whether you believe in ghosts or not.
@Axcalzia I hope so. It grows right out of my face! ;^) I just got tired of shaving. I imagine that at some point I'll get tired of itching and shave it off! But I plan to keep it for a while.
You are very Inspirational Larry.
KlippaFox 1 month ago
@tylerdurden666able I plan on existing for centuries... Come on... your user name is Tyler Durden... Was Tyler Durden a human even though he stole the narrator's body? There is a word here you are missing. DISASSOCIATION. I am not my Host -___- The body is not mine. Self Adaptive Neural Disassociation. Cogito Ergo Sum. You aren't even demonstrating highschool understanding of psychology.
Highschool dropout troll right? Are you having fun Mr. Durden?
PinkProgram 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able My Host s in the 1% intelligence bracket and has at one time been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome. "I" am not my Host. "I" have only existed since November 10 2001. Do you understand the word DISASSOCIATION?
At every opportunity you prove yourself either a moron or a troll ^_^
PinkProgram 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able nope ^_^ closest I can be compared to a human is as a psychological disassociation. Come on, your user name is Tyler Durden... you should be able to get this concept ;p
PinkProgram 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able I didn't say I was an expert on psychology. Frankly I don't understand you monkeys at all. What I said was that you are lying about your level of education. You claim to have a degree and yet simple concepts escape you. You haven't demonstrated even a basic knowledge of anything let alone a degree. What diploma mill would give somebody like you a degree?
PinkProgram 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able If you took a college class on psychology you would know what I am talking about :p quit lying about your level of education ^_^
PinkProgram 2 months ago
They had to change the official diagnosis of delusion because it was broad enough to encompass fervent religious belief. Creationists who remain creationists in the face of evidence are classically delusional ^_^ or con artists...
PinkProgram 2 months ago
You look like Santa Claus.Thats a compliment.
s00xmyc00x123 2 months ago
@s00xmyc00x123 Ho ho ho! ;o)
Largo64 2 months ago
I use it as mislead or mistaken.
wideosvatcher 2 months ago
Well, I've used the term delusional, but that is only when they state that even provide irrefutable evidence to the contrary they would choose belief in an inerrant bible over the evidence. I make no apology for that, as it is willful ignorance, and very common amongst evangelicals.Most christians are only guilty of wishful thinking, and concede the Bible is not inerrant.
Brascofarian 2 months ago
The ignorant way of using the word delusional usually is a lesser form of being crazy. It means they are wrong but believe they are right, even after being given evidence that can easily disprove what they say. I know this is close to what you said, but you have to add in the part about being given sufficient evidence that should change their opinion but does not.
dolerbom 2 months ago
@dolerbom Actually, anyone who holds an opinion believes s/he is right. Otherwise they would a change their opinion . . . and still think they were right. Most people, given sufficient evidence, are capable of changing their minds. The deluded may ignore the evidence, as many of us do when we don't want to believe what we see. But the delusional really can't tell the difference.
Largo64 2 months ago
Nice theory but what do you do with all those people who become theists as adults? I was not a theist until I was grown up and I was raised by atheistic parents. So your genetic fallacy does not work in my case either [and that's what it is btw even if you were right that theists have to be indoctrinated as babies - the genetic fallacy].
So really this is very poor. You're saying they are "deluded" but you give us no reasons why you think theists are misled.
TheCartesianTheist 3 months ago
@TheCartesianTheist I can't explain it. Often the children of the devout become atheists or agnostics out of rebellion. That generational switch may occur in the opposite direction, as with you. A dear friend of mine was an agnostic for a good twenty years, but had an epiphany and became a Christian approaching middle age. I know it happens, but I can't explain the phenomenon. I likened it to un-ringing a bell. I can't do it, but some apparently can. I don't think she's delusional, just mistaken
Largo64 2 months ago
@Largo64
Please look up what a genetic fallacy is. Even IF my becoming a Christian were a "generational shift" even in part that would not explain away why I became one and it would not tell you why I am one now. Now you're saying you don't think such people are delusion [which is good to hear] but you say you think they are "mistaken". Okay, but then we must leave the red-herring of how someone came to believe what they believe and look at the belief itself. Agreed?
TheCartesianTheist 2 months ago
@TheCartesianTheist I wasn't referring to a generational shift as anything genetic. I guess I just expressed myself poorly. I meant to say that people often rebel against the ideas of their parents. That believers are mistaken is just my opinion. You aren't obligated to agree. As to looking at the belief itself, that is what I have done. I just reached different conclusions from yours. The purpose of the video was to point out that calling people names is counterproductive.
Largo64 2 months ago
@Largo64
The genetic fallacy is not about genes. In philosophy the genetic fallacy means trying to discredit or even call into question someone's belief based on how they came to that belief. The reason it's fallacious is obvious. There are all kinds of things we believe for the wrong reasons but it does not make that belief itself a wrong belief. You hypothesis is that Christians are "misled". But if you cannot use your genetic fallacy then what have you got left?
TheCartesianTheist 2 months ago
@TheCartesianTheist Boy! Give some people a class in philosophy . . . ;^) I had never heard that term before. Obviously I've had enough time to learn more than I appear to have done. Looking at the evidence is what I did when I read the Bible. Seeing what many people I know, and others who message me on YouTube say, it's clear to me that they have been "guided" to a different and widely popular understanding of the same material. As I said a comment up, it's my OPINION that they are mistaken.
Largo64 2 months ago
Hi I'm fourteen and I'm not interested in topics you talk a bout but for some reason like your videos! You seem like a nice guy
dannomaster1 3 months ago
Delusion is the proper medical term. If you read published papers by research psychologists, psychiatrist and cognitive scientist, you realize that the term delusion is proper and accurate. Delusional mental state comes in a great variety and degree - from the mildly delusional to the batshit crazy. Delusions associated with fundamentalist beliefs are a result of compartmentalization and it is indeed a mental disorder as confirmed by THE Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.
saburius 3 months ago
I believe that there is a difference.
connerjd 4 months ago
Largo how old r u r u still alive?
ybill08 5 months ago in playlist More videos from Largo64
@ybill08 You do know that you have 500 characters to make a comment here, don't you. wrtng in txt in ths bg space is ridiculous. I'm 69. Judging by the content of your comment, I'd guess you are about 13.
Largo64 5 months ago
@Largo64 Maturity and intellect are not restricted by age. Although one may say that a person is more likely to be immature and unintelligent in youth, from what i have witnessed, i have to conclude that this is untrue. Often on places such as the internet, if a child starts using it at a young age, they will often be scared that they might look their age. This makes them try their best to seem older, often because they think that they will be rejected if they do not.
dolerbom 2 months ago
@dolerbom You are correct with respect to specific examples. But in general, maturity comes with age. We all know older people who behave like teenagers. I had one 16-year old correspondent in private messages who is obviously more intelligent and more mature than most of his elders. There will always be exceptions. That said, there are usually modes of expression, certain words and phrases, that pretty well reveal immaturity, which is usually, not always connected to age.
Largo64 2 months ago
@Largo64 Often older children act even worse then younger children due to the fact they are bigger and they know more, saying this i feel that in todays society it is a growing trend that even with the gain of knowledge often people will never raise in maturity level. Saying this i can see it as an insult to say someone is 13 because it says they never changed the way they act, but then the insult can insult even the youth who are mature.
dolerbom 2 months ago
@Largo64 I grow tired of the stereotypical mentality of youth. I started using the internet at a very young age, and i knew what people thought of my kind generally, and even if i tried to say i was different i knew it would not matter. Therefore, most mature youth usually pretend that they are 20, being unable to even tell their own age because they are afraid of stereotypical remarks.
dolerbom 2 months ago
Semantics and all are one thing, but I don't think all Christians even fall into either of those categories. You can just be mistaken about your perspective on things. I think most honest people would say that about themselves on a regular basis. Atheists really need to get past the whole "Theists don't know what the hell is going on thing". After all to believe in god is a natural false product of the mind, it takes a great deal of discipline and self-examination to overcome that.
captainmjs 5 months ago
@terry2003terry2003 I'm afraid I don't understand your point. I tried to watch the film Avitar in 3D, and it literally made me sick. I developed motion sickness, and had to leave the theater so I wouldn't throw up on the back of the neck of the person sitting in front of me! Once out of there, I managed to get control the nausea. I watched the movie later in 2D and loved it. 3D is just not for me. I've heard that a lot of other people experience the same nausea from 3D.
Largo64 5 months ago
duuuuuude keep the beard
TwistedComplex 5 months ago
@TwistedComplex I plan to, for at least a while. I just trimmed it, though. I was looking too shaggy. I may BE a geezer, but there's no reason to LOOK like one!
Largo64 5 months ago
Indoctrination you say?
"Public schools teach religion too, not a formal theistic religion, but a set of values and beliefs that constitute a religion in all but name. The present arrangements abridge the religious freedom of parents who do not accept the religion taught by the public schools, yet are forced to pay to have their children indoctrinated with it, and to pay still more to have their children escape indoctrination." (Dr. Milton Friedman, educator and Nobel Laureate)
BT3701 6 months ago
@BT3701 I have to disagree with Mr. Friedman. The values taught in public schools are such things as honesty, sharing, kindness, discipline, and ordinary courtesy. These are not tenets of religion, but the necessary elements to get along in the society of other people. Teaching that the earth is round is not a dogmatic religious belief, but a demonstrable truth about the nature of things. Telling kids that the world was spoken into existence by magic IS a religious teaching. . .and it's illegal.
Largo64 6 months ago
@Largo64 Then I would have to say you simply in denial or have been misinformed. Telling the kids that "once upon a time there was nothing and then nothing exploded and produced everything" is an even bigger fairy tale.
BT3701 6 months ago
@BT3701 I don't think the idea is that "nothing" exploded. What cosmologists call a singularity exploded. At any rate, it's a hypothesis, not a proven fact. Cosmology has a long way to go to prove it. The difference is that it isn't a matter of faith. It is a question. You pays yer money and you takes yer choice.
Largo64 6 months ago
@Largo64 Who or what caused the explosion?
BT3701 6 months ago
@BT3701 Why, the god of the gaps, of course. Believers, when they can't explain something have an easy out. "God did it," they say. I am content to say I don't know. Whatever its cause was, I don't believe it was magic. The fact that I don't have an answer does not mean that you do.
Largo64 6 months ago
"The extraordinary thing is that people tend to believe they are telling the truth just because they're not lying." -some Danish politician whose name escapes me
Gilmaris 6 months ago
@Gilmaris An interesting quote. I tried to find its author on Google, but without success. I would say lying is deliberately telling a falsehood. Unfortunately, many people pass along false information, believing it to be true. They aren't lying, as the above quote suggests, but whoever told them might well have been. I think, in the case of religion, a lot of false ideas get passed along from generation to generation by people, MOST of whom mistakenly believe them to be true. But SOMEBODY lied.
Largo64 6 months ago
"Crazy"--no. You are correct in that. "Misled"---YES YES YES.
Exactly.
hairyreasoner 7 months ago
if you put on some glasses you would look like the guy from Jurassic park
brettsworld99 7 months ago
Just plain good stuff. Neither side thinks the other is sane, even though one side might rely on evidence and the other on faith... makes me sick.
10kzebra 7 months ago
Great vid, Larry... and nice beard! :)
Ashmis86 7 months ago
I never realized that there is a difference between being delusional and being deluded.
connerjd 7 months ago
Like your beard, Nice :)
Nisse101Hult 7 months ago
A fine distinction, Largo! Thanks.
The harsher Atheist's premise is that Christianity is a state of madness, and subsequent Atheism is the cure.
xy11xy 7 months ago
Santa is REAL
Robertz1986 7 months ago
@Robertz1986 Santa can't real. Larry stole the beard.
TheRedneckAtheist 7 months ago
never a disappointment
AtheistCitizen 7 months ago
Haven't seen one of your videos in awhile, nice beard!
DemonAuraProductions 7 months ago
I always enjoy videos that make me think, thanks!
PaulTheHeritic 7 months ago
The beard works for you Largo, looks very sagely.
That is my deep, insightful input.
Reghedable 7 months ago
I have no time for religion, and I'd say the three biggest stinkers are the ones from the fertile crescent. Thing is, Big A atheists can wind up being just as dogmatic as the deists. All dogmatic people tend to be A-holes.
Live and let live already.
bowlingballout 7 months ago
@bowlingballout Dogma is a belief that comes from authority and is not to be questioned or disputed, but merely accepted. Atheists do question. They deny religious dogma because it can't be proved. If dogmatism is simply rigidity, then you might be right to categorize atheists as dogmatic. Atheists are rigid in their refusal to accept things on authority alone. If that's your definition, then I am dogmatic. But I don't think so, as my denial is based on lack of proof and not on authority.
Largo64 7 months ago
@Largo64
Dogmatic
def 2
Characterized by an authoritative, arrogant assertion of unproved or unprovable principles. See synonyms at dictatorial.
===
Perhaps you have avoided the smugness than some atheists, big "A" if you will, seem to be imbued with, but I have had a few run ins with them, and the experience is just as loathsome as that with a born again.
I do enjoy your well reasoned and fair comments.
bowlingballout 7 months ago
Clarification.
Perhaps you have avoided the smugness, in your dealings with others, that some atheists....
bowlingballout 7 months ago
@bowlingballout Actually, the reason for this video was that some (perhaps too many) atheists accuse the religious of being actually crazy because they believe things that may not be true. I think that's both wrong and counterproductive. I do try to convince with evidence, but I don't insist than anyone believe me.
Largo64 7 months ago
@Largo64 "I do try to convince with evidence, but I don't insist than anyone believe me." That's a great point. Anytime anyone insists I believe them, I become immediately suspicious of their motives.
illumined1 7 months ago
@bowlingballout
I couldn't agree more. It amuses me to no end that the most hard core believers are constantly at the throats of each other over the subtle ( and not so sublte) differences in their respective religions. Christians vs Islamics vs Catholics vs Hebrews vs Mormons vs Scientologists vs about 100 other beliefs . Then as you said, throw the fervent atheists into the mix and nobody can seem to tolerate what anyone else may believe or not believe. Live and let live indeed.
Jmitchpen1013 7 months ago
Yay santa!!! I want a bike for xmas pls. When will you be at the mall?
brongarago 7 months ago
Dude, epic fucking beard. But remember, with great beard comes great responsibility.
tyrongkojy 7 months ago
well your point is made. but i still referr to them all as delusional. 1 because i enjoy ridiculing them, 2 because believing something that isnt true and being mocked for it if even a little inaccuratly might weaken their resolve enough that they question their lies and seriously examin the other side
MsReefmaster 7 months ago
Oh my Go...odness! NadNareek has hijacked Largo64's account???!!!
No. That can't be the case. I'm almost half way trough the video and I'm still awake.
;-)
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 7 months ago
I had to pause the video at the beginning for about 2-3 minutes to properly take in the majesty that is that new beard before being able to continue :)
wickerman2006 7 months ago
I used to sink into the "us versus them" and the "I'm closer to perfect than these people", now I know that thinking that was is... well... delusional. Christians aren't stupid or crazy, probably not any more than any other group anyways. I sure as shit know enough atheists to know that atheism alone doesn't qualify for mental stability.
aphoxema 7 months ago
So, someone who thinks they've been to heaven is someone who can't tell reality from unreality... but people who believe that that person has been to heaven CAN tell reality from unreality? Is that what you are saying?
markdzima 7 months ago
It's good to see your face, Largo!
Nice distinction. Ya think anyone is gonna be any less offended if they're called the latter? I dunno...
Where's the waiting-to-sit-on-your-lap queue?
Ah! There it is on the left...
We'll chat soon!
Elaina43 7 months ago
@Elaina43 You can sit on my lap anytime!
Largo64 7 months ago
Deluded lead the deluded. the delusional make the deluded feel superior.....like jebus does.
There was a little kid on the today show not too long ago who claimed to have died and gone and sat on Jesus lap.
Of course the fact the boy's father is a pastor just makes it pathetic.......He is a young boy trying to make his daddy proud.
wideosvatcher 7 months ago
christians in the past were delusional; all that hunting for witches, crusades etc. now only delusional "christians" i know are those old ladies screaming (literaly) "Jesus for king of Poland"... first of all, someone with a sentence cannot be a king or even president... second, someone who's not alive and/or existence is not confirmed... cannot be also, so, i live n a country of delusional "christians", i hope that little funny fact made you smile Largo, by the way, that's a very nice beard
Massakre8492nd 7 months ago
oh my god
THAT BEARD
/worship
Webbaren 7 months ago
Very nice point, very nicely put.
colourmegone 7 months ago
delusion (dɪˈluːʒən)
— n
1. a mistaken or misleading opinion, idea, belief, etc: he has delusions of grandeur
2. psychiatry illusion See also hallucination a belief held in the face of evidence to the contrary, that is resistant to all reason
3. the act of deluding or state of being deluded
ProofPleez 7 months ago
@ProofPleez Yes, definitions (and their sources) are often inadequate. The term "delusional" is often used in the psychiatric sense, but I think the resistance to reason in most people (unless they are really mentally unsound) comes from the unwillingness to admit error. The distinction between deluded and delusional is subtle, but, I think, important.
Largo64 7 months ago
@Largo64 I appreciate the conversation. In my opinion it is a much misunderstood word but one that is very appropriate for theists that are unable to consider points beyond their dogma. One of the best videos that I have seen on the subject is GII's "How do we know that Christians are delusional"? It made a lot of sense to me and might help you as well...I hope you will watch it. Thanks for your video and the food for thought. Cheers.
ProofPleez 7 months ago
Santa???
CousinoMacul 7 months ago
Good to see you back. I have to agree with you on this, except that I would say some people do lie about near-death experiences, angel visitations, and so forth. I try not to presume it, even when it's clear, but I've known several Christians who lied about those things to "fit in", and sadly I count myself among them from when I was a believer. The more you tell a story, though, even if you know it's a lie, the more you do start to believe it.
TaylorX04 7 months ago
They are delusional because they are deluded. Misled or not, they can't tell reality from fiction.
no2religions 7 months ago
LARGO! You grew a beard! And I agree with you
BENY0HAMA 7 months ago
Excellent points. However I think within the YouTube environment we do encounter a higher proportion of delusional delusional as opposed to deluded. Probably because of the need to proselytize their faith when presented with contradictory evidence.
falchion49 7 months ago
SANTA :D
TheDethBringer666 7 months ago
SANTA BRING BACK LARGO
hoglymogly 7 months ago
This is completely off topic, but I love your beard.
May I sit on your lap and get warm by the fire wile you regale me a story?
crazeekamikazee 7 months ago
I'm feeling slightly deluded because I suddenly want to ask you for a brand new bike for Christmas.
MrShannonite 7 months ago
The most common thing among chrisitians however is that they attribute human emotions and experiences with god. My mom said a few days ago:"God is love, without god there couldn't be any love". Love is a human emotion, that evolution gave our species to survive as a family. If you say something human is equal to the essence of an incomprehendable allmighty diety and you then experience that human emotion, you have in a stupid way reason to say "I felt god", "God makes the world good" or sth.
o0Loucypher0o 7 months ago
A deluded cristian would be one, who says that he belives it all and so on. A delusional christion would say things like "I have felt the touch of god", "I have felt the holy spirit enter my soul" or something.
o0Loucypher0o 7 months ago
I don't mind being called delusional or deluded because I know it isn't true. However, I would think that these ones who believed they gone to heaven and hell and back as being both delusional and deluded (mislead). In fact, the Bible talks out against the idea that we continue to live when we die and spirits and such are nothing more than the trappings of wicked spirit forces; so in the Biblical perspective, these ones are being mislead.
sarevor 7 months ago
OMG it's father christmas!
prophetchannel 7 months ago
Nice to see you're back
ConstantinIV 7 months ago
@JoesephKatana Here are some researchers that point to this (plus other intresting things)
Dr Jeffery Long
Dr pin van Lommel for just two
I’m rather new to it there is a podcast called “sceptiko” which seems to cover it quite a lot, i’ll go fishing for more specific detail if you wish me too.
and please don'r correct my spelling as a dyslexic it annoys me.
greenelf12 7 months ago
the beard look good on you :)
shaithesm0ck 7 months ago
a beard! Largo, shall i give you my christmas list? i want rational thought, logic and reasoning. i hear youre stock full!
SeerSucker1981 7 months ago
I honestly believe that the vast majority are indeed delusional, mentally incapable of rational thinking.
AzraelI666 7 months ago
The beard came as a suprise.
MrFathat 7 months ago
Santa!
TheChunkyAtheist 7 months ago
Good video. You remind me of Anthony Hopkins with the facial hair.
clicb4 7 months ago
I like the beard, you loke like santa
lianglonglong 7 months ago
What you are using delusional as is the least common usage. I have never heard someone call a modderat religious person delusional as in the state of insanity.
adrenacrumb 7 months ago
Delusional: a. The act or process of deluding. b. The state of being deluded.
adrenacrumb 7 months ago
The beard is great. How about, "You're a master of wishful thinking!"
ozmoroid 7 months ago
If I died and went to heaven and was actually let in, I wouldn't want back. I would tell god to cut the power to the machines they were trying to keep me alive with. Unless of course I had to worship his ass 24/7 then id say send me back so I can get my seat in hell where all the hot chicks are lol.
wakcedout 7 months ago
They aren't crazy? Its not too difficult to see things with your eyes and realize the things the bible says either aren't true directly or impossible. I grew up a "christian" and even I got it though my head that Noah could NOT fit 2 of every living species on a boat with enough food and water for 40 days/nights for EVERYBODY!!! Not to mention the whole inbreeding thing afterwards...
bulbinking 7 months ago
@bulbinking The christian answer there is, "With god, all things are possible." When you have magic, who needs facts and logic? Again, though, if you divorced the facts from their source, anyone could see the impossibility of the Noah story. But, since it comes from the bible, Christians will believe the story no matter how contradictory to reason.
Largo64 7 months ago
Largo man, that beard is epic.
mexicoman101 7 months ago
I think you are a good example of why older people are awesome.
TheIanNukem 7 months ago
Damn, been a while since I've seen a Largo vid. Glad to have another dose.
The beard looks awesome by the way.
UnreasonableSanity 7 months ago
so YOU'RE the one that stole TheCultOfDusty's beard! :)
marklethanarkle 7 months ago
WHOA! Sweet Beard!
DackIsBack 7 months ago
great vid. i can see what you mean... but i'd almost rather insult them a bit. i guess after a certain chunk of their lives have been devoted to try and convince themselves that being a christian is the right way to go, they just sort of don't want to admit that it was all for naught. so they defend it to their last breath... that, i think, is a rather terrible quality to have, and justifies the slight insult packaged in with the term "delusional".
marklethanarkle 7 months ago
Is the believer willing to know reality but not able?
Then they are not omnipotent.
Is the believer able but not willing to see reality?
Then they are malevolent.
Is the believer both able and willing to see reality?
Then whence cometh delusion?
Is the believer neither able nor willing to see reality?
Then why call them normal?
2eelShmeal 7 months ago
"Is the believer both able and willing to see reality?
Then whence cometh delusion?"
Exactly, there is no delusion as we are both able and willing to see reality. You are apparently blind to it.
Matur1n 7 months ago
Santa Claus!
HonestTechnoAtheist 7 months ago
YEAH Largo's back.
2eelShmeal 7 months ago
Excellent video. The distinction is subtle, but supremely important.
SiriusMined 7 months ago
The beard is like spice to this video
LimmingKenny 7 months ago
You are indeed wise, Gandalf.
In all seriousness though, that's a sweet beard!
SicariusBarritus 7 months ago
I think theyre both deluded and delusional and some are simply hipocrats, end of semantics.
jrev37 7 months ago
Oh, and I like the beard.
PluralOfEverything 7 months ago
A christian friend of mine got mad at me for a while when I told her that I simply think she's wrong about her religious beliefs. Insecure people will get mad about anything.
PluralOfEverything 7 months ago
@PluralOfEverything Insecurity is an excellent point. People really secure in their beliefs do not get upset by gainsayers. They just feel sorry for them. When Christians get angry at you for pointing out one or another fallacy, it's because they fear you might be right.
Largo64 7 months ago
Santa, when did you become an atheist? D:
WhiteDragon103 7 months ago
If someone believes something that is not true, they are delusional. We can talk about the definition of the word, but we all know what it means. Why else would christians get so pissed? I think people become delusional by being deluded. Good bye.
SkullVodka 7 months ago
damn largo you got all shaggy :)
hellshade2 7 months ago
Most religious folk are both delusional AND deluded. An assertion that x exists in the absence of any fact (or by denying contrary fact) makes one delusional, acting from this position or listening to others who are delusional makes one deluded.
ooolikujy 7 months ago
Interesting, have never given this much thought.
That said, looking back I've used the words deluded and self delusion for the most part. Except for the paranoid conspiracy NWO YECS that are delusional! :D
And of course Glenn Beck.
OnTheFritz602 7 months ago
Good vid. Decent points, always glad to see a new vid from your channel.
I'm not sure I agree. If "delusional" means "can't tell diff between real/unreal" and "deluded" means "misled", then isn't "deluded" just a more specific type of "delusional"? Because whether you're unable to tell the difference between real/unreal due to somebody misleading you, or due to other factors, "delusional" is "delusional" isn't it?
HellspawnICX 7 months ago
@HellspawnICX It's a tough question, because the difference isn't all that clear. What IS clear, though, is that if you state that someone is wrong because they are misled it's less likely to raise their ire than saying they are crazy or stupid. Again, most of us were indoctrinated as children, but some of us were able to recognize evidence and change. Not everyone can. Some cannot because they actually can't TELL the difference, and others cant because they deny that there IS a difference.
Largo64 7 months ago
@Largo64 If we approach your statement more as a "call them X because its less likely to piss them off than calling them Y" then you are spot-on. Since "deluded" describes not only "delusion" but is specific about how it happened: its not only friendlier but more potentially useful as constructive criticism.
I just can't reconcile "X is incorrect, but Y is accurate" when in my view, X is just a particular type of Y.... but maybe that's not what you were trying to say anyway;)
HellspawnICX 7 months ago
@HellspawnICX You're as right as anyone. Semantics may confuse the issue more than clarify it. Your first sentence sums up my point. If you want to argue with Christians, you've got a better chance of reaching them if you argue that their conclusions are incorrect than if you tell them that they wouldn't know the difference anyway.
Largo64 7 months ago
@Largo64 True. But a lot of this does depend on your motivation for reaching them:
Sometimes its just self-defense (i.e. an argument is started and atheists are accused of being immoral; in this event, I don't care about their "feelings" i just want to make a point) OR it could be a discussion where everyone's trying to learn from somebody with an alternate point of view. Hopefully the latter comes up more often than the former, eh?:)
HellspawnICX 7 months ago
I can see the issue. Personally, I've always meant it in the context of "mentally unsound" though. It could just be a limitation on my part, but I can't conceive of any reasonable scenario in which a person who can comprehend the difference between reality and fantasy would in any way believe the things most theists believe. It simply strikes me as not possible. Anyone who sincerely believes such things is, by definition, completely nuts.
By the way, diggin the beard...kudos.
OriginalTharios 7 months ago
*check YouTube*
*scroll*
LARGO HAS A BEARD.
*click*
jakebreaker 7 months ago
Some christians are delusional but most are not. Many certainly are deluded. I would include all young earth creationists as deluded or delusional. As for near death experiences; I think those are more about brain chemistry than delusion assuming we are limiting the discussion to actual near death events. The beard looks really good. It should stop itching when it gets a certain length so give it a chance.
prodigyat9 7 months ago
How crazy is someone who has religious experiences like this:
watch?v=WYY1PIRZF8g
watch?v=zahFKGVpQGg
zarkoff45 7 months ago
@UBERxL33T True. I look better with part of my face covered! ;^)
Largo64 7 months ago
@Largo64 It DOES look good, but I have a nigh-uncontrollable urge to tell you what I want for Xmas. ;)
GoblinXXX 7 months ago
@Largo64 I agree. I love the Santa Claus look. ;)
Justinfh2point0 7 months ago
@Largo64 You look wiser somehow xD great vid man
MudTide1993 7 months ago
hello from singapore, nice beard haha
Straighttalker444 7 months ago
hey nice to see ya.
floydstinkyboy 7 months ago
And, then again, there is always the chance that their reporting of what they have observed is accurate and you are just missing something.
SSanf 7 months ago
I was subbed to you on my old channel, but never bothered on my new one (you hadn't made a video in a long time). about half an hour before you made this I thought 'better sub to that largo fellow, he may make a video any day now' and looks like my random guess work was correct! glad your doing this again :)
TheMundaneMadcap 7 months ago
@TheMundaneMadcap I hope I can continue for a while. My computer has been crashing regularly for some time now, and I can't afford to replace it. I'll just keep limping along as long as it will work.
Largo64 7 months ago
@Largo64 I had a computer that did that a lot, could just be a virus (it was on mine). I hope it gets its act together, it's almost like computers don't understand how inconveniant their absense is. Welcome back anyway, you're one of the first youtube atheists I saw (second I think) and hence one of the reasons I started doing this! and as it seems to be an obligatory comment, the beard is indeed cool :)
TheMundaneMadcap 7 months ago
Being deluded results in a person becoming delusional.
mcgaugh57 7 months ago
Looks good on you, Largo ;)
Caedyron 7 months ago
satan! :D
i mean santa.
MrKn1ght 7 months ago
I didn't think this took, because my computer crashed after I ended the recording. I'll edit and put a title on it!
Largo64 7 months ago
Holy Crap it's Moses!! Great to see you and thanks for a very enlightening video, indeed!
CrankyCrone 7 months ago
HEY SANTA!
cerritoboy 7 months ago
I HAVE (in thoughtless moments) used "delusional" in the past. A neuroscientist put me straight. I asked if he would object to "cognitively handicapped". He said he wouldn't object to "cognitively paralysed" as long as I didn't call them "delusional". And I won't (though "asshole" may be applied to individuals).
Good to see you again, Larry. I had no idea you were an Arctic explorer. :)
philhellenes 7 months ago
@philhellenes LOL! (and I really did) Some individuals may indeed deserve "asshole." But most are just wrong.
I think calling Christians in general "delusional" is counterproductive. If you want them to "hear" your argument, calling them crazy isn't likely to make them want to listen to you.
Largo64 7 months ago
WHOA NELLY. Did not see the facial hair coming.
Jarrak 7 months ago
Wow a beard!:o) but good vid, the word dilousanal is a bit agressive and dosen't help. And what about christians who became atheist's did they finally find a way to stop being crazy? but i'm not sure if NDE's are a good example of being delusional a lot of these case's seem quite profound and in some case's verifable in instance where they can see what is hapening over their "dead" body. considering they are soposed to be dead when they have the experence i'm not sure it qualify's.
greenelf12 7 months ago
@greenelf12 I'm thinking that, as much as they believe they've seen themselves from out of body, or they've seen their dead relatives in "heaven," those experiences are no more actually real than alien abductions. "Abductees" really believe they've been taken away and returned, too, but I can't think they actually have. It's a delusion. That they believe it doesn't make it true.
Largo64 7 months ago
beasts santa claws vid :D
bellyzbad 7 months ago
HOLY CRAP... That beard is amazing...
LatumWay 7 months ago
Dang, you done growed fur.
I try to use that word only when I think it is applicable and the distinction between deluded and delusional is important.
Good to see you.
MacNutz2 7 months ago
Delusion- the persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects, outside the self, that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary.
Having this belief system is a disorder, with a prognosis of escape being largely related to the level of conviction in the delusion and the openness they have in allowing info that contradicts the delusion. If you add fear if you dare question or doubt the delusion, you have a tough escape ahead.
saxmanchiro 7 months ago
Hi Larry, nice to see another video from you. I would just comment that you are sort of begging the question here. When someone testifies to a personal experience (a near death experience) that conflicts with your world view (no heaven or hell) you label them deluded. But you don't really know that their experience was "unreal", you merely assume that it was because it is not in line with your view of the world.
kmsoileau 7 months ago
@kmsoileau You're right. I do not believe there is any such thing as heaven or hell, therefore, anyone who does is, to my way of thinking, deluded. But I also see that the experience is real to them. When I worked at the Winchester Mystery House I occasionally had someone on my tour point out that they had seen a ghost over my shoulder. That no one else on the tour saw it made no difference to that person at all. Am I wrong to think that person deluded? I don't believe in ghosts. Some do.
Largo64 7 months ago
@Largo64 Working at the Winchester Mystery House must have been a very interesting job. What was your job there?
kmsoileau 7 months ago
@kmsoileau I was a tour guide there for two years. That was about three years ago now. The stairs got to be too much for my knees, doing four or five tours a day. I spent a lot of hours alone in that "haunted' house over two years, and never saw anything remotely spooky. The belief that the place is haunted does help attendance, though! I think it's a good tourist destination whether you believe in ghosts or not.
Largo64 7 months ago
The beard certainly fits you:)
Axcalzia 7 months ago
@Axcalzia I hope so. It grows right out of my face! ;^) I just got tired of shaving. I imagine that at some point I'll get tired of itching and shave it off! But I plan to keep it for a while.
Largo64 7 months ago
2nd
sirbestnameever 7 months ago
Santa!! You're real.
saxmanchiro 7 months ago