Terran Tutorials: 1 Barracks FE & 3M Transition p1/2

[ClarJMoon]

comes 1 DT

[edwolf1127n]

I want this video on my A36 unit.

[s21411]

I think the reason he got marines was to minimize the damage from stalkers cause they also deal more damage to armored units which marauders are. SO i think if he dsnt have to many stalkers marines can be pretty good

[jefffinley11]

Your vid is a favorite on Mauritius

[Mitchdouble]

thanks for the shift right click note, ive been looking everywhere on how to do that :D

[hermansung]

what if he goes colossus timing push? it seems a bit flawed because you cant get vikings out

[audiophil92]

pretty terribad 4 gate to be honest... going with an early push build, and then not pushing early - especially against an early expand. An early FE will not stand up to a 4 gate with a few sentries in the mix - FF the bunkers so no repair, and its gg for the terran against any decent protoss 4 gate

[BlitzkriegMW]

this stilll is legit but it is better if you cut out a bunker leave only 2 and fast expand and get a planetary eary with a engineering you can also then protect your macro style from cheesy stuff with turrets this works on most maps.

[Jonnywow55]

Lol this map is no longer in the map pool. It was replcaed by Shattered Temple.

[NdXirish419]

a bunch of marines, a bunch of marauders, a little bit of DONK both. Did anyone else hear that haha? 7:26

[millee95]

What does FE mean?

[alexdiees]

@millee95 fast expand

[liuketto]

This could work in a mirror match? Either if your opp i going fast tanks?

[IneedAbttrscreenname]

Don't make maruaders vs stalkers? WUT?

[alphaguitar2]

@IneedAbttrscreenname maruaders simply cancel out stalkers because both units are armored and both have bonus damage to armored units, if you're using medivacs to heal your units then all you have to worry about is having your units bursted down faster than they can be healed, marines are better against stalkers for this reason.

[Coder06]

Fail sir

If there are more stalkers make more marines?

Im pretty sure marauders kick the shiz out of stalkers

[RexBaselio]

MMM is a basic strategy , good player uses full potential of the his race. If u have a toss who has land army with some colosus and higt templars mmm won't do you much good...

[ecmpave]

@RexBaselio throw in some ghosts and it is effective. especially if you do a lot of drops and keep the toss on the defensive.

[RexBaselio]

@ecmpave Yeah of course

[TheDouchebagery]

why did you destroy the barraks?

[JonMelonn]

Can you post your build order please? :)

[antonaderum]

Thanks HD!

[akiskem]

Whoah. Saw an obs there? :P

[Shadow2271]

how is this build against zerg?

[ide94]

@Shadow2271

Spam 9:20 to get your answer

[Shadow2271]

@ide94 thanks dude i am such an idiot

[RAmenFSM]

with this build should I still be building SCVs constantly, or will I have to make a sacrifice in order to get the CC up as fast as possible?

[lAaronI]

Actually what you SHOULD do at around 8:46, is get a couple of marines and marauders into a medivac, and drop them off behind his mineral line to harass. The fact that he has his forces in the centre of the map would greatly work to your advantage then. Then just right after, or rather at the same time, move your main force to attack.

[wavelucas]

Why do you want to keep your marines outside the bunkers untill an attack?

[tryceo]

@wavelucas to kill scouts... marines can snipe out scouts better when they are not in a bunker.

[fu7ur3w0rld]

@wavelucas

So you can react on warp prisms/mutalisks/void rays/ etc.

[darkfoxxx321]

@wavelucas It also makes your army look bigger if he uses an observer or for any other opponent that scouts you.

[Delorean911Turbo]

@wavelucas If a voidray shows up to the party, you don't wanna to have to select the bunker, unload, and then move your marines to it. You just wanna be able to move your marines.

[BlacKcuD]

How exactly are you supposed to stop a two gate with this? you cot a supply wallin with 2-4 marines? this wild hold at the most 2 zealots then you are fucked if yuo dont repair with like 5+ scvs. please explain!

[tryceo]

@BlacKcuD you arent fucked..... have you seen how powerful marines are? they can kill things soo fast.

[ewanl33t]

@BlacKcuD kite bro kite

[SportsNSpeakers]

@BlacKcuD If you scout a 2 gate just throw down a couple of bunkers and you'll be absolutely fine.

[xSCgeoffx]

About the Zerg convo down there somewhere, @willthegamer @the1sin Zerg gets much more powerful as your macro improves and your speed of play and your multitasking gets better.

[Daniggatron101]

Could somone explain to me what he means by " Right after '15' ", I see them alot on build order vids. Yes, I am a complete newb.

[MihaZ]

@Daniggatron101 the number simply means the amount of harvester built. Kinda like a mark that tells you to do certain actions during the opening sequence depening on the amount of harvester that you have.

[Roochfan20]

@Daniggatron101 Right after 15 means you get something right after your supply/control/psi count is pops "15"

[manuelito1233]

I watch this in the middle of Opening Gambit.

[kringkily]

@endersgamez umm what are you talking about any good toss will send out a scouting probe or zealot to see what your building at your choke. if all they see are marines then they will chrono boost for a stalker and proceed to check ur expo. the only reason that they wont push in or hold u in your base is if they see a marauder

[horsthorstmann666]

You can just directly target a mineral patch with your mule drop to have them start mining without an additional command, just though I'd mention that because HD fails to do this in this vid.

[LibertySole]

what does glhf mean?

[EndersGamez]

@LibertySole Good Luck Have Fun

[kringkily]

this strat will get u killed verses a good toss lol usually they will stalker sit outside ur expo not waiting in mid forcing u to mass some marauders then move out causing a slow delay while toss expands. ~ over 1000 pt diamond player

[EndersGamez]

@kringkily that's not correct at all, actually.

[rangermerrydog]

hey hd is this build effective against terrans? ive been practicing it against very hard ai (still havent perfected the timings yet), but seem to be getting rolled by early tanks in the mm mix from computer as they outrange my bunkers are are protected by the bio ball

[kirkjiao]

i usually get 4 vikigns with this build just to be safe against high temp warp ins

[MattNicholson7]

So.. what if your opponent goes 3gate blink stalkers with an observer? xD

I tried this build and they either do that, or build a warp prism and warp all their units in my main base, and if i pull the units in the bunkers, they will do a dual attack.

[NakedISnake]

@MattNicholson7 it sounds to me that u need to practice more xD

[MattNicholson7]

@NakedISnake K then tell me how you counter it if they do that..

[the1sin]

@MattNicholson7 thats y u scout

[SJChango99]

Your APM may be high, but you still don't make actual useful actions

[t4lon]

Thanks for the tutorial!!! Tossed some viks into the mix and got my first diamond win thanks to this, after a long day of losing!

[Staticdefense]

I think you should tech up eventually. Also you need vikings if he's going collosus

[MrBaconBitzs]

how do u get orb command without gas????

[LiLmangaaddict]

@MrBaconBitzs You dont need gas to morph your CC into an Orbital Command 

[randompiece6]

Looks like a good build but 1 bug flaw is its lack of air defense. From what I see it seems a player could get voidrays or carriers to mop up ground. Plausible counter could be a Ghost EMP round though.

[MattNicholson7]

@randompiece6 how can you say this build has a lack of air defense? it is all about marines at the beginning, then you're supposed to get an engineering bay so u can put up turrets if needed, plus u have 2 scans if you dont know what he's building..

[hobocow43]

6:50 you can see an observer entering your base xD you gotta pay more attention to that. - i always catch those ;)

[kirkjiao]

BEST COUNTER. WHEN U SEE THE FAST EXPO GO STRAIGHT FOR GOLD EXPO and start out macroing your terran opponent

[DarrenFlood1995]

Can you make terran tutorials for v terran and zerg please?

[MattNicholson7]

You said that if you see stalkers to get more marines.. but aren't marauders better at killing stalkers? You are right if you meant to say if he's getting a lot of immortals or void rays.

[TheRadioHeaded]

So this is good vs Toss, but what works well against Zerg? Destiny CloudFist?

[miasma69]

a void rush would kill this strategie so fast.. its kinda useless considering most protoss players either void rush or stalker rush

[Fool1045]

@miasma69 truuu

[DarrenFlood1995]

@miasma69 you cant void rush coz it takes too long

[miasma69]

@DarrenFlood1995 not for me.. when i do my void rush it always wins, most of the times they don't have anything to even attack air lol so i dont know what game your playing or you might just suck

[DarrenFlood1995]

@miasma69 actually I play as terran and whenever someone tries to void rush me it fails completely

[Rohit0406]

@miasma69 the very first army unit to come from terran hard counters void rays.

[MattNicholson7]

@miasma69 it's because he gets lots of marines like in this build. A lot of terrans are marauder crazy and want to end the game quickly, so they don't have much anti-air, and void rays will pwn their base.

[DarrenFlood1995]

@MattNicholson7 lmao all you noobs should stop saying that void rays are a good counter because, void rays are shit against a lot of small units coz they take too long charging their attack on 1 unit

[MattNicholson7]

@DarrenFlood1995 Dude watch roboferret play.. u just charge your freaking v rays on the freaking rocks and its freaking cheap cause you freaking attack your own units on the way to his base and then freaking force field in front of the marines, and bring some stalkers =gg

[DiViNEReject]

@MattNicholson7 You say freaking a bit too much  :P

[MattNicholson7]

@DarrenFlood1995 Plus if you didn't read my comment i just said if they go way too marauder heavy void rays will pwn

[dabomb1357]

@DarrenFlood1995 That does matter actually since they can just attack a second one and not lose their charge.

[RiotSauce]

CTR + M = enable/disable music

CTR + S =enable/disable sound effects

[Moshm4n]

Well that's nice. Factories are only good for making reactors and scouting now 'a days. Bye are the days of mech playstyle.

[XGeneralBeanX]

@Moshm4n Mech is still a valuable build. MMM is probably more common but Mech works rather well against Zerg. Hellions wreck zerglings tanks melt ground units and thors wreck both. Plus if you throw some Vikings into the mix you have a pretty dangerous ball.

[CROUTONZZ]

7:50 observer.

[noobenstein]

adverts :(

[gunslinger3333]

@noobenstein

just click "refresh"

[ConMusician]

lol are you clikcing everything really fast just for more APM?

[Shippuo23]

So what if the protoss player stats to spam void rays, or tries to rush you with void rays. What should you do? if you want to try and do this build but don't want to get rushed so early in the game.

[StormCrusader]

i've faced a 4 gater. I used a mix of everything. Siegetanks, Marines, Maruaders, Banshees and Vikings. He forgot to expand. While I expanded to other areas. And i upgraded my banshees with cloak and held them back. Its actually kinda interesting. If you face 4 gaters its annoying and they make a proxy pylon which is annoying.

[d3rfliw]

This buiid is the SHIT!!!!!

As a noob, I beat 2 guys by myself using this.

[047022221]

Question: what happens if they kill your scout and then go ray rush and all ur forces are directed at ur expo, what do you do then?

[XGeneralBeanX]

@047022221 You scan or you send another scout. And if you still miss it that is why you build supply depots around your base. So you can see things coming sooner and react.

[047022221]

@XGeneralBeanX the scout gets denied by a zealot, and the scan misses because the ray is hidden, thats what i meants

[XGeneralBeanX]

@XGeneralBeanX Well Like I said that is why you build the supply depots on the outside of your base so that you can see it coming. And in later level games you don't usually have to worry about all in Void ray attacks. And it wouldn't be a bad idea to scout with some form of air. Perhaps cloak a banshee or use a ghost. And if you are really scared or lose to Void rays a lot you can put up turrets.

[TheYouFromTube]

can you upload the replay somewher? mediafire or anything will do

[tdreamgmail]

2 bays? isn't that a waste?

[LinkPS]

@tdreamgmail waiting 2 hours till upgrades finish is a waste of time.. ebays are cheap and rapidly built, and they have building researches instead of just infantry ones.. it's pretty common to get 2 ebays/evo chambers

[dekz1]

@tdreamgmail not always, you can upgrade twice as fast

[Foxhound1112]

@tdreamgmail nah, you can upgrade armor and atk at the same time, it gives the upper hand for sure

[KiriNoKitsune]

Why would you transition into marines if hes getting mass stalkers? why not just keep on getting marauders since they hard counter stalkers

[arghnews]

@KiriNoKitsune Well kinda, marauders do counter stalkers but (ironically enough) stalkers also do bonus dmg v marauders. Marines gain no bonuses, but receive no extra dmg from stalkers, its kinda odd. Personally I think its a little (marauders) OP, but I'm a diamond terran so its cool :D

[moomoodeadcow]

@@ How do you blow up your own bunkers? 9:30

[Shinius]

@moomoodeadcow

You can Salvage bunkers for their entire cost.

[Spensa]

@moomoodeadcow

press the salvage button :)

[THEAGROMIDGET]

I like HD because he explains it all out very clearly and i think gives good resons as to why he does the things he does but I like huskystarcrafts energy

[ThePeonable]

rly thx for this tutorials , make more pls .

[TasogareKitsune]

Why do you wait until the enemy approaches to put your units inside the Bunkers?

And why do you destroy the Bunkers later? I assume it's to give your units more mobility to get out of the base.. but it seems like kind of a waste.

[MrSuperWeeGee]

@TasogareKitsune He waits to put the units in the bunker so they have more mobility, and he salvages the bunker, which gives back all the minerals he spent to make it.

[TasogareKitsune]

@MrSuperWeeGee - Oh, you can Salvage Bunkers in SC2? That is so cool! Thanks for the response.

[neophytum]

@TasogareKitsune You can "salvage" bunkers to get back 100% of the invested resources.

[ChibiFurby]

I'm sorry...but what is FE?

[kemichal]

@ChibiFurby Fast Expand

[ChibiFurby]

@kemichal That makes so much sense!!!

[SerjSongsROCK]

Ehm what if the Protoss player goes for air units???? he could just fly in your base and destroy everything with the big ship (sorry idk what its called in english, playing german version ;D) or with the planes that gain more attack, the longer they attack? i lost some of this matches and wonder if you can help me out with that

[ArchNME]

@SerjSongsROCK

big ship = mothership

that gain more attack, the longer they attack = voidray

[SerjSongsROCK]

@ArchNME Isnt the Mothership the big one that just makes every Unit invisible??? I mean the not so big one that you can make in the same bulding as Void Rays. Well if he uses those ships...i guess 3-4 will be enought do beat the whole Mariens and Marrauders with nice Micro when they use all theire flying drones... help if some1 knows how to avoid that or an air rush with 1B FE --> 3M

[ArchNME]

@SerjSongsROCK Oh, yeah those are Carriers. You have to direct your units to focus fire the carriers because naturally they will target the interceptors.

[anonymage]

HD, learn your hotkeys..

[047022221]

@anonymage fast mouse clicking beats hotkeys, cause with keys you still have to place the buildings, although keys are good for unit buildin

[luminousnerd]

@047022221 There are some things you cannot do with hot keys. For everything else, hot keys are faster. Period.

[SumerianScientist1]

I like that Star Craft 2 is a game that actually takes a lot of skill to be good at, unfortunately i suck:(

[nejtack1]

@xxxdxdxdxxdddddxdxxd You're a whore... Samura1Jack out!

[tenmuterrr]

So what happens when they rush voidrays at you?

[SumerianScientist1]

@tenmuterrr He would be stupid to do a void ray rush if he scouted 4 racks. IMO

[047022221]

@SumerianScientist1 but hd denied the scout (before the 3 extra rax)

[koelewim]

@tenmuterrr Marines eat voidrays for breakfast.

[rzq100]

i tried this and i won. ive only used it 2 times so far. against 2 terran players. havnt tried against toss or zerg yet

[ampdgmr]

I wouldn't say Ran FE is specifically good against toss, i'd say it's one of the less effective builds you can use against a toss. As a T in diamond, I like to go 35 supply marauder push, unless the toss is bad he will be able to stall / defend with sentry, however I will pull a couple scvs, bunker below ramp, and contain while I expand.. in almost every case the toss can't break out.. and just loses via slow tank push. The FE build you just showed can be negated by a toss simply FE as well.

[madeinchina327]

so what is good bullied for a protoss to deal w/ that?

[GrinchlyGreen]

@madeinchina327 Well, as it appears that hd never scouted into the top corner of his base, I would say a cannon rush would end the game quite well. jk XD

[AnnKalanie]

Just an update, I watched this tutorial and tried to replicate the strat, and I won two, lost three matches. But it's not because of the strat, I'm not a good player, but this way I felt I had more gamecontrol. This is a complete scrub, non-SC player who's trying to learn multiplayer.

Thanks HDStarcraft, you're helping me loads :D

[Nile505]

to make it a little faster try baracks gas obital command/marine techlab barracks maruder/consussive shell marudder you'll have plenty of minerals for an expansion at this time and you can put a reactor on your other barracks..thats my bio toss build 600+ diamond player so I know what I am talking about but I am not at the highest level this is a nice build as well though its kinda hard to be safe against stalkers I really like having marudders

[visualkei72]

holy shit HD, your APM and speed has gotten faster.. nice!

[YellowMagi]

you are like awesome with Zerg, aight? Could you gief a tutorial on how to beat that impervious terran mech tech?:P

I cannot be the only Zerg that hates hellion, tanks and thor (and vikings if you dare go air).

[047022221]

@YellowMagi broodlords are a good counter for terran ground mech, plain ol mutas or corrupors are good against air mech, and for a combo, combo broodlords and mutas, it should also give u a small echo edge because mutas cost less than said tanks etc.

[visualkei72]

Aaaaaaalright ladies and gentlemen!

[waferjuice]

this strat is great against protoss on the lost temple map :D

[NAMLegolas]

Damn, Is a robot controlling this game? This breaks 9999 clicks per second! O_O no wonder why I always get my ass kicked.

Very nice Terran tutorial, I am very thankful :)

[rocier]

this build seems like it would be good below plat. most gold and lower love to build off 1 base and run in when they feel they have a good armor. Good times

[bobthepeanut]

Woah woah woah, shift AND right click to queue up units?

woah slow down

[guyw1tn0nam3]

I used to do this build during Beta. But when I did this after the game came out, I found that I almost always lost to it. Why?

1. It's hard to transition.

2. Early harass is really hard to deal with. Dealing with fast stalkers with only 1rax at the very beginning.

I find that having a geyser, getting a rax with tech lab, and attacking first with two marauders, a marine, and a reaper will help you secure that expo so much faster.

[guyw1tn0nam3]

@guyw1tn0nam3

Also. Wouldn't a Protoss just think logically and double expand versus this?

[sicillankiller]

@guyw1tn0nam3 I mean, he turtled cause he knew protoss was off of one base. if protoss double expands it usually is risky leaving one of the bases relatively exposed. i mean it's not a foolproof build but it's pretty standard, you just have to adapt accordingly

[felfavi]

a good modification to this build is to build a reffinery and as soon as you get 50 gas, you take your scv's out of the gas and into mining, that way you get a reactor on your racks, dunno if you get more or less marines than the standard build

[electrostatic1]

I paly against terran a lot as toss, this will not work so well if they are good at early pressure. By good, I mean double fast stalkers chrono boosted the second the cyber core is done. Yes, you can do that if you get your timing just right.

[opop123]

glhf

[OcelotDAD]

I did this and got a sneaky warp prism DT's in my base.

Luckily he wasn't too good and I could stop it, but that could've killed you here for example.

[pinkrainbows]

Can you do a PvP tutorial? Please tell us how to stop the zealot rush which means getting a proxy pylon near the enemy base and building a gateway there massing zealots. Its impossible to stop if you dont do the samething or get cannons but if you know how to stop it plz tell us

[FlippinUnit]

@pinkrainbows The only way to stop it is pylon in your base 3 gateway to zealot rush as well... if its PvP the first 1 to stop massing zealots loses :D well its more like a Zealot v Zealot while teching up slowly, and it becomes a guessing game, orrrr you can mass canons, and expand into mass void rays,

[Cubalisk]

@pinkrainbows a zealot rush is ez to tell... go scout your enemy base and if there isnt or is just one pylon when he should has an assimilator, hez rushing. get about 3 cannons (and slowly more) on your ramp and tech up quick.

[dtader]

@pinkrainbows scout early and scout well. You'll have a time and economy advantage to him, so get quick units out and take care of his pylon/ probe/ cannons :D

[DaneRare]

Fuck zerg I hate those buggy little bastards do a protoss tutorial

[waferjuice]

@DaneRare this strat works well for protoss, its not a strat to do against zerg as they can probably do a baneling bust or something. For zerg, do the Barracks to factory reactor switch strat and then get banshees

[kolbot]

hd can i request more zerg tutorials? :D

[LordBadazz11]

would this work against zerg?

[Mehmegadude]

@LordBadazz11

Those exploding bastards would rape your butthole wide open : / I rather go for mechs and shit against zerg, rushing a battlecruiser is extremly effective imo

[Stardustger]

well now the only problemis that blizzard hates maps were u can actually fast expand

[Pendragondnd]

whenever i use this build, i get killed by drops, how do you guys deal with drops?

[Mudig]

why the hell does he keep highlighting shit? Does it do anything in the game?

[crazyboiT]

@SilkRoaderExTreMe I think FE means fast expand.

[WiiKey]

zerg tutorials zerg tutorials!

[Utharas]

Love me some macro. This is a great build for people who like longer running games. I got some great tips.

[Falcon988]

All you guys talking about void rays and collosi countering this are being kinda silly. If he rushes with Void Rays there will only be at most one or two and these marines WILL stop that easy. A Collosi would die quickly to the mauraders. Once you get your FE the idea is to TRANSITION into another build based on what your opponent is doing. You need to scout, scout, scout! Much moreso than HD does in this video even.

[Falcon988]

I tried this but took too long, fumbled the build order, then got Void Rayed and Carriered to death :-p. Will keep at it though!

[alexalnight]

wish i had my comp back..this one is way to fucked up for sc2