ingolf wunder chopin sonata 3 movement 4

[marcohorowitz8]

regarding his funny facial expressions, I read somewhere that he had a problem with his sinus and could only breathe through his mouth.

[d4ni3lschi4v0]

very fast = very bad

[fredericfranc]

...he failed at an earlier Ch.Comp. for being too callous and mechanical, but in 2010 he supposedly improved on expressiveness...this is certainly not much in evidence here...Chopin's rather crazy "motto perpetuo" gets no amelioration from the guy with the Medusa face...

[John11inch]

@TheDuplicityBuster

Ah yes, the "listening apparatus." Deep stuff. Maybe you could sound even more ridiculous if you put together a few more words that don't make any sense next to each other. You could talk about the "causal acousmatic phenomena" or, I dunno, the "melismatically disingenuous timbre." Just total bullshit like that.

[TheDuplicityBuster]

@John11inch It's hardly an original turn of phrase, but mainstream nowadays, as it was coined by Adorno and reinvented later by Janekelvitsch, albeit in French. There is nothing in the least ridiculous about it, as it merely refers to the manner in which music engages an individual, and the means by which a person evaluates musical experience. The extent to which listening becomes active, rather than passive, remains a matter of judgment, experience, critical savvy and acumen. [more]

[TheDuplicityBuster]

Respond to this video... Likewise, the quality of one' listening apparatus is able to make informed and reasonable judgment with regard to the structure and interpretive agenda of the music at hand, An informed listenener, who has worked on his his ability to listen ALONG WITH what he hears, can also discern what lies between the notes in an effort to interpret, in his own way, the work's symbolic meaning and its composers intentions.

[TheDuplicityBuster]

I would agree that the string of words you yourself have invented here make no sense whatsoever, either grammatically or musically, so don't attribute such nonsense to me. What's more, in your pretentious bio, you write such things as "deconstruct the barrier of aristocracy" (Newsflash: aristocracy is not a barrier, nor can it be deconstructed) or the no less jejune, "the synchronization of music and ego is dead", a phrase so woefully devoid of intelligence as to render its naivete secondary.

[TheDuplicityBuster]

Finally, with regard to your grasp of the English language, I suggest that you stop faking it and get to work. That is because, having embraced a lack of discipline in this area as a virtue, you have none. In spite of that you at least show some potential, and even flair. But until you master our language, or perhaps a few others, too, you might want to read that still slim if useful volume by Strunk and White, as well as that of of James Kilpatrick and Wm F Buckley

[John11inch]

@TheDuplicityBuster

In spite of that, comma, you mean? Could you please make up your mind as to whether you'd like to use Oxford commas? It's preferred practice that there be some regularity. Still-slim, hyphen, comma, YET useful, volume, as well as that "of of" "Wm"? Are you asking a question or making a statement? Please use punctuation. Remember this: don't capitalize after a colon when the word is "the." Who is indicting, and why "but"? You meant "while."

[TheDuplicityBuster]

@John11inch You know, for one who proffers the screen name "John11inch", one can only surmise your true calling is pornography. But then again, given the fact you hail from Birmingham, Alabama, a red state best known nowadays as the obesity capital of the world, and no less for its brutal history of hatred and ignorance, what else needs to be said? No doubt, hillbilly consciousness is a tough thing, especially when you are one and mon cher, you are one. . .

[TheDuplicityBuster]

And finally, remember this: The alternative to "deep stuff" is the very thing that you, bu indicting what is probative, implicitly embrace: that which is shallow. If it is in the realm of the shallow where you find the greatest comfort and least offense, then by all means, stay there. After all, it's safe: in that realm you neither have to think or take responsibility,. What you don't know won't hurt those who know better, though it will most certainly cripple you, if it hasn't already.

[John11inch]

@TheDuplicityBuster

Do I implicitly embrace this alternative? I'd like to think that I embrace implicitly. Then, comma, by all means, you mean? Why am I "taking responsibility,."? I'm confused about where that sentence ends. Given that these errors are merely the ones present in your most recent two replies, we can make a guess as to how many you've written on this page as a whole. Even if you had made none, it would still be obvious that you've never taken a class in English composition.

[John11inch]

@TheDuplicityBuster

There is a place for technical writing (not that you are capable of producing such, as has been made obvious), but youtube comments are not that place. Your ridiculous use of vocabulary, which is neither properly used nor impressive (refer to "indicting what is probative," for instance), and your love affair with colons, make it clear that you are not interested in being clear whatsoever. Which is the entire point that I was making.

[John11inch]

@TheDuplicityBuster

Nobody here thinks that you're anything other than a try-hard. Your whining that these 500 character youtube comments don't have enough substance to them isn't going to convince many people, but it's nice to know that you believe your own comments are a magical exception. If you want serious conversation, go somewhere else. If you want to pseudointellectually posture, . . ., well, you obviously don't need any tips from me. You're a pro.

[John11inch]

@TheDuplicityBuster

Although I'm curious about the "listening apparatus." I still have Adorno's Aesthetic Theory in pdf form from a class, and a search for "listening apparatus" yields zero results. Please tell us where he uses this term, so that we can become as enlightened as you. I tried to google it, but that also didn't pull anything up.

[kmpiano1]

I think people love his playing because it's very exciting, and it's obviously he's a clean player, but he does not play carefully so to avoid mistakes.  So that's always a bonus in my books. However, I think he lacks character and colour in this performance, and it seems like he wants to show off rather than develop the drama in the music.

[RemovdSande11]

do you have a better recording? very low quality.

[kingsfort1]

He has the amazing capacity to make his speed seem perfectly organic. A real high class musician.

[belialah]

I like it!! lol it sounds like Richter´s Chopin

[fredericfranc]

Should have won the fucking competition for the fucking face, like have you gotten a load of HER face? This kind of dumb music he makes sound quite layered and intriguing, which few people can do, and plays quite clean by and large, and no strain showing either. You women, just go to fucking work developing sex fantasies about this goddamn puss here.

[hananonakama]

I agree with yaqppl. Wunder should won the first prize this year.

[Gregory98]

Wow!!!!

[yaqppl]

hehe, "hitler" in tags :)

Wunder should won this year

[ekphooldomali]

I heard that Wunder was a projected winner in the 2010 Chopin Competition, so I checked him out here. He plays, predictably, in the signature "blandly musical" style of highly-placed competition winners. There is absolutely NOTHING to this performance besides 10 fingers. Zero personality, zero ideas, machine-like playing. He is set to musical "cruise control", playing with an all-purpose musical sensibility that is applied to this masterpiece like a coat of paint.

[flippert0]

@ekphooldomali I hope, you are aware, that this performance was 4 years ago? He may have learned a bit or two in musical expression, don't you think?

[4785689]

was he drunk?

[Desmonddd2002]

I just heard Zimerman played this yesterday. HE IS GREAT

[zurzica51]

great fingers! omg! so may precision on a pianist! :)

[Amistavia]

Close, but not quite perfect, but anyone who can approach it with a piece like this is a master.

[danishpride1]

He looks like his about to vommit in the beginning..

[PianistRonaldChow]

its the most wonderful perform which i listened =.="

[marcohorowitz8]

he's not human!! by the way, about his open mouth, I've read somewhere that he had some sort of respiratory problems, could only breathe through his mouth and not his nose. i think now it's all fixed through surgery.

[Aul1kki]

@marcohorowitz8 Would be really strange feeling to breathe through nose first time after surgery!

[Shtove]

How are humans capable of this? Wonderful.

Although it is funny to see he's got his "orgasm face" on throughout the performance.

[Pischnaholic]

Many have abundant strength and facility for playing the piano, but no one has MORE of it than this young man. The running passagework sparkles effortlessly with rare clarity.

From a musical standpoint I frankly wish he'd paid more attention to the NON TANTO part of the tempo marking, but youth must be served.

Ingolf Wunder's prodigious dexterity is reminiscent of Wilhelm Backhaus in his youth.

I still miss the aura of upper class elegance and restraint projected by Novaes and Cortot.

[cziffra11]

To my ear this is remarkable playing in every way. If this kind of artistry -- both musical and technical -- doesn't "cut it," I'm not sure what can. Kapell and Lipatti both have desert-island recordings of this movement. I invite anyone interested to seek them out on U Tube and compare them with this. In my opinion, this one is on that exalted level.

[veri03]

Absolutely stunning.

@datruzepp - I think I've seen you posting over at Pianostreet... haven't I?

[Valkyrie91a]

This is such a wonderful piece of music and he plays it well, although a bit rushed. The definitive interpretation belongs to Arthur Rubinstein. This is exciting to see the musician's hands as he plays this powerful finale.

[GeorgeMaxwellDuPre]

This was a good performance, but for this level of competition even a few note slips are enough to cut you from the race. He seemed to get a bit carried away though in terms of the tempo and inflections. So it could have been interpreted a little more profoundly.

[SuperMikeC65]

You are quite right, but to my mind that's a lot of the problem with classical piano playing today. These competitions place such a focus on it being note-perfect so that's what everyone strives for, and everyone ends up sounding alike. A good interpretation is much harder to produce than a technically perfect performance. There are many pianists who can play the notes but not so many who make you want to listen. And these competitions focus on the former at the expense of the latter.

[GeorgeMaxwellDuPre]

I think a lot of what you say is truem but I can't say competitions focus on note perfection rather than interpretation. The standards are just very high for the former and very subjective for the latter. I disagree that many pianists are note-perfect. Note perfection is an art in itself and it should not be discounted. I am a pianist & for your comment I still give you a strong thumbs up!

[Elicgt]

i absolutely agree.

[afertyus1000]

@SuperMikeC65 yea but at 40 he made a mistake

[gipfeli]

anybody have the first 3 movements???

[miliona1re]

1:29 stecca e li ci starebbe bene il doppiaggio Mosconi haha

[Legomyegoorj]

Is it just me, or does almost every comment here have a thumbs down for no reason? Wierd...

Anyway I think he did a wonderful job.

[kasyapa]

bravo!

[filthysoap]

that was just amazing

[pianoplayer7]

0:41 got wrong notes!

[redrothko]

I meant best on Youtube.

I don't remember about Lipatti, haven't heard that recording in years.

His is Jesu bleibt meine Freude is wonderful.

[csercer24]

Dude, who cares how fast this is. This is an AWESOME piece and he played it very well. Chopin ROCKS!

[acrabadra]

Was this filmed at the same place where Rafal Blechacz played the same piece?

[Aul1kki]

Yes it was.

[mdeonx12]

*drools*

[thesloc]

His stuff is ALWAYS rushed. Maybe playing the piano has suppressed his ADHD.

[Aul1kki]

I think it's not rushed because he doesn't lose control. Yes it's maybe faster than usually, but not too fast.

[howardhehe]

This guy's interpretation is cool.

[Valkyrie91a]

Rubinstein's interpretation of this sonata absolutely rocks the world! I wish someone would upload it??? The power that Arthur puts into this movement is overwhelming. This guy does a good job with this difficult piece.

[NicoleKatri]

Wonder if he knows what "ma non tanto" means.

[nico22059]

Almost perfect...Blechacz´s still better...but this guy...rocks

[Phil6848]

Rachel Kudo's performance of this Sonata was way better than both of theirs. She was one of the Finalists, but she didn't win. Wunder Shows off too much. Chopin isn't about showing off.

[nico22059]

I didn't even know that she existed lol.

[Faegan]

I don't know her either, but that really shows that she's not showing off..

[Centrotoma]

This movement is about showing off...

[penguinshin]

Just to let you guys know, he can't breathe through his nose, or he couldnt at least and thats why his mouth mouth is open, it is hilarious though. this is a great far but he tends to play his pieces a bit fast which is fine as long as he can keep the expreession in there.

[voolare]

Among the bet interpretations of Chop's 3rd 4th mov. Check out what he does at 1:30 after that huge mistake lol!

[thesloc]

Haha, great catch. I always wondered what that was all about..

[pricelesskween91]

bwah, why is everyone always commenting on his facial expressions? I think they go extremely well with his playing, which is just absolutely extraordinary!

[Tzsil713]

@pricelesskween91 What can you do? He's a genius just like Lang Lang.

[paulomtts]

@Tzsil713 Not at all like Lang Lang. And that makes me happy.

[anonymousQ45]

@paulomtts Lang Langs Presto non Tanto is brilliant you are just like the other bandwagon haters who dont know shit about music and want to hate because its popular so fuck you

[paulomtts]

@anonymousQ45 Wow, you made a lot assumptions from a simple comment. Who's the hater now? But please, do enlight us with your vast musical knowledge.

PS: I guess you're right. I know very little about music. But just enough to realize I don't like Lang Lang's dynamics, tempo and general playing. Yes, he can press the keys correctly. Just doesn't touch me like other pianists do. In fact, I feel as if he makes sound bad some pieces that I like with other pianists.

[anonymousQ45]

@paulomtts just listen to his Chopin Sonata 3 i dont need to justify it

[pricelesskween91]

Absolutely Amazing!!!!!!!

[saruman97]

This is very well executed, with great dynamic contour - my personal favorite is Alexei Sultanov's 1995 rendition of this SOnata.

[hj0148]

very very good version 5 stars

we see you are very interested in this piece

good job

[danenhod]

when you're performing at this level, you're not exactly thinking about what you look like. if you're self conscious about these things, no matter what the instrument, you'll never, ever be expressive, and will remain a mediocre musician. so... who cares about his mouth.

[Hiddejan]

before he starts playing he puts his wrists up and down, i think it's his own metronome to start with the right tempo and beat.

[Centrotoma]

Perfect, I´d like to play it in this way too.

As for his facial expression, I think he used to had some troubles with breathing through nose and that´s why he opens the mouth.

[chopinandliszt]

why does he always leave his mouth open? It there something wrong with his jaw? Some people's jaw muscles are really fragile

[Klinkibergi]

Best interpretation I ever heard.....

[parule]

Listen to Yundi Li!

[kwastormayt]

His facial expression is disgusting

[pedrobutelli]

From 1:25 to 1:30, come on.

[pedrobutelli]

Well, it's just faster than Blechacz's. And he makes some really weird mistakes. Good one, but Blechacz's is better.

[RumunskiePorzekadlo]

Phenomenal, super performance. Absolutely stunning. But I prefer Blechacz's. ;)

[sviatoslavberezovsky]

comparing to him, a bulldozer seem like a hummingbird...

[elnath2]

Bravissimo! Perfetta interpretazione e molto sentita.

[CPSheidi]

Nice~ Better than me so much, Because i beginner Piano! hehe........!!^.~!!

[nikolaimedtner]

Trugod.....i like that ;-D

[redrothko]

best 4th movement around -)

most pianists slow down just slightly when the A section comes around for the third time (16th notes in the left hand) but he just keeps on going ...

[datruzepp]

ahahahaha precizely!

rezpec 8)

[hozman01]

No! He slows down there and I would say too remarkably! Don´t you hear it? :-)

[redrothko]

somebody please upload his other sonata movements!!

[1jammman11]

super performance! though I like katsaris's more but they're both great.

ooh btw, dude, what's that TRUGOD ULEAZHD thing for...

[mkaykov]

phenomenal playing in every respect. Legato scale passages, interpretation, lightess, rubato. This is a marvelous performance.

BRAVO!!!!!!!

[Rickyr389]

I think he seems a bit anxious, he doesn't enjoy with the piece and this is essential for a pianist, specially if he wants to win the competition. However this is one of the best performance of the chopin sonata No3, but I think that rafal blechacz was who played better in warsaw at 2005.

[lohshuhan]

in the left hand part in 4:09 - 4:10, wunder plays an octave C# and then octave E after the first octave C# and octave E. my score says octave G# and octave B instead. anyone care to clarify? i'm using henle, and i'm talking about bar 269. i know that there are differences between henle and paderewski, but i don't have paderewski. anyone care to verify this?

[BrucknerEnthusiast]

At 4:09-4:10 it's just a mistake caused by the pressure of playing live - I don't think it's a difference which he has found in any particular edition. I use Henle too. By the way, did you realise that a facsimile of Chopin's manuscript of the sonata is available? You'll find details (and the first page shown) at omifacsimiles dot com.

[lnvanry]

whats with the obvious mistake at 1:29

If he's a pro he can't be making mistakes like that

Katsaris' version is better IMO.

[thesloc]

What mistake?

[hr2]

He needs to record more CDs, because he's so phenomenally talented.

[1jammman1]

Playing genius...

[loliloli1998]

Wow this is just amazing!!!

[thesloc]

He can't breather through his nostrils, though I heard he's getting surgery soon. Don't you think he knows?

[googooeugene]

he could have got by the second round had he kept his mouth shut while playing.

[fortissimo25]

lol, i know wut u mean haha

[fortissimo25]

he needs to learn to turn off that metrenome inhis head off, i dont like this interp at all.

[2004169]

ya, i agree with that, no change at the speed at all.

[fortissimo25]

thank you, i mean he has all the music memorized, now make it ur own...

[pian000]

wot a pro eh

[earstolisten]

I think he is truly amazing! He is definitely THE hottest pianist of his generation. It doesn't matter what he plays, it just sounds good, very different, refreshing, and lively!!! I heard he finally went for surgery and got his nostrils fixed, so now he can breathe normally (and close his mouth while playing...)