The elephant in the room is that one of these two 'personal, intelligent beings' is arguing with another 'personal, intelligent being' against the possibility of the existence of a 'personal, intelligent being' LOL!
I don't see any contradiction between the science and God. It is a wrong question to ask did God made the world, but rather the pursuit of science study should be "How" it is made. I don't understand why Atheist are so focused on eradication of "religion" given both, religious people and atheistic people have done their share of destroying of humanity. If there is God that is truly benevolent then I believe the truth of it will bear itself out to those, whose heart are "honestly" seeking....
Religion is all about looking at the way things are currently, not remaining in tradition, as opposed to science, which only cares about ancient history and old ways of thinking.
McGrath repeats himself over and over again, he´s not really listening or answering any of the questions Dawkins throws at him. It´s actually quite disturbing.
Does anyone understand that if Dawkins was around several hundred years ago and studied science like he has he would argue that the world was flat? Science is always changing always evolving and developing and is quite often proved to be wrong (for example the discovery of the Platypus was believed to be a gimmick OR another theory was it was a mutated animal. Turns out it was not) the arrogance of some scientists has always been they cant see the future and how the 'truth' can change.
mcgrath's opinions are very nice, but i feel like only he would hold those values as a theologian. I find it difficult for him to advocate this same style of thinking amongst all religious people when they probably do not support it in the same way/for the same reasons...
@hello83558 My mother is a fundamental christian and doesn't know anything about christianity. A literally referred to her as a "Theist" and she blew up at me because she thought I was accusing her of not believing in god. Even after assuring her I was calling her a "theist" and not an "atheist" she still thought the same thing. She didn't even know what a "theist" was. Science is capable of changing it's mind when/if proven so. Fundamental believers....have proven they WILL NOT.
Funny how you say that, when we know for a fact that comets have a life span of about 100,000 years, and we have yet to find evidence of an oort cloud. It's also notable that Uranus and Neptune are still giving off heat, and scientists know that can't last billions of years, yet scientists continue to insist the universe is billions of years old. The problem isn't the amount of evidence, the problem is a person's worldview.
@BigFatHeretic There's no such thing as innocence...when you're born as a child, then yes your innocent but the fact that child abuse is caused by an older person, then that adult must have had a reason to be that way. which means, if you link this all the way to the beginning, then you'll know that there's no origin of innocence which means there's no innocence. We're all (from a christian point of view) sinners but from an (atheist point of view) it's wrong.
@Exlax123 No, we are born innocent! We may lose our innocence as we grow up in the world. Many children have their innocence beaten out of them, and this "born in sin" bullshit from the BUY-BULL as been used as a justification for child abuse, and for torture. Religion has brought nothing but evil into the world.
@BigFatHeretic . . . continued from previous . . . ignorance and the rejection of knowledge is a sin. NOT picking a piece of fruit from a tree, as depicted in your Christian fairy tales! Yeah! You Christian retards believe knowledge and the desire to acquire knowledge is a sin. It's not! Ignorance is evil. It was not curiosity that killed the cat. It was ignorance that killed the cat. Curiosity was framed, and got a bum rap!
@Exlax123 No, wait! I'll tell you what the original sins was! It came sometime after man invented religion. A volcano erupted, the superstitious people believed the gods were angry, and to appease the angry gods they would make a sacrifice by tossing innocent women and children into the volcano. Now, thanks to science, we know what causes volcanoes, and lightening, and almost everything else. Being willfully ignorant and rejecting knowledge is a sin . . . to be continued . . .
@BigFatHeretic lol you're judging Religion based on your own opinion...well sorry my friend your opinion lacks resources and by lacking resources to support your "Claim" you really have no good reason to hate on a religion. From what i'm hearing, you obviously haven't read the Bible, yet you already view it as a violent causing destruction that corrupted the world. Well it's just like saying, "well I don't know who this man is but he's a jackass" do you know this man? No...
@BigFatHeretic And do you know why you hate him? no.... think about it my friend, as an Atheist, you can really do whatever you want. There is no law, so if I wanted to kill you it would be alright because there's no one of a higher power to punish me or whatnot. Well if that's the case why is there a law that prevents you from doing such things? I thought there was no right or wrong? Do humans not have morality? Atheists won't answer that.
@Exlax123 You're a fine one to talk of morality! Hey, boys and girls! Can you say, INQUISITION??? Yeah! Christians are a fine example of morality! For centuries Christians have murdered and tortured people! The Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials, I could go on and on. But I don't want to make myself sick! The BUY-BULL advocates slavery and even killing children! So, you can take you religion and your BUY-BULL and shove it up where it's dark and warm and where the sun never shines!
@BigFatHeretic I don't understand why you're so angry, and the fact that you're insulting my faith is quite immature of you....I'm here talking to you about my point of view on life yet you're here on youtube criticizing me without giving me any justification to what you're saying. I'm sorry if I offended you in anyway but I'm just trying to explain, I'll try and have a normal intellectual conversation when you're ready...
@Exlax123 I just checked out your retarded little channel, and in your profile, you say you have only read one book, then you go on to say that "reading sucks"! Well, as for me, I love reading. My mother taught me how to read before I even started school, and by the time I was only in the 3rd grade I was already able to read at high school and adult level. Science was my favorite subject, especially astronomy. . . . to be continued . . . . .
@Exlax123 . . . continued from previous . . . When I was in school, I was lousy at sports, due to a crippled up left knee, the result of a car accident, so I was unable to run and I walked with a limp. When I was in the 5th grade, my teacher was really Gung Ho about sports and PE, and he enjoyed humiliating in the gym. One day, our class went to the school library. While all the other students were allowed to check out any book they wanted, I was not. . . . to be continued . . .
@Exlax123 . . . continued from previous . . . we got into an argument, and he dragged me out into the hallway, and pushed me back, bashing my head up against the corner of the concrete block wall. The following year, that teacher was fired, but for me, the damage was done. Due to a severe concision, I had dizzy spells and headaches for a few years afterward. All this, in a dispute over a book I was not allowed to check out from the library. . . . to be continued . . .
@Exlax123 . . . continued from previous . . . After school, I would spend a lot of time in the public library and check out books that my ass-hole of a teacher in school would not allow me to read. Then, you say on your channel page that "reading sucks!" And now, you say that you'll try to have a normal "intellectual" conversation when I'm ready. So, you wish to engage in a battle of wits! Eh? But you have come unarmed! . . . to be continued . . . . .
@Exlax123 . . . You say "reading sucks" but I love reading. I say, reading is cool, and books rule! You're what's wrong in society these days. When I was a kid, I was willing to take a beating because of my love for books! Sorry JIMBO! But because you say on your channel page that "reading sucks", then we have nothing more to discuss! So, you can just pack your Gucci bag, and hit the road jack! I'm outta here! See ya! Wouldn't want to be ya!
@BigFatHeretic Your life story is touching however, this is nonetheless related to our topic...what am I supposed to pity you or something? And that profile wasn't edited for years, I would assume someone like yourself is looking for any sort of source to back up your statement, well reading isn't everything, I can easily not read a book and be the smartest person on the planet...I'm a university student majoring in psychology, sociology, and philosophy and I have TO BE CONTINUED---
@BigFatHeretic probably more knowledge on religion than yourself. After reading your claim of looking at my youtube profile I LOL'D so hard, you think you know my life story and everything about me just by looking at a few simple words? This is youtube not a Bibliography... Really? think about what you say before you talk my friend, you're not lookin so good right now.
@BigFatHeretic I come to wonder if you have an attention span of a goldfish, because you can't stick to one subject. We were once talking about the Bible and then you were giving me this whole lecture about your life story which has absolutely no relevance to our previous subject and then you're claiming you know me by a simple profile I made up in 20 seconds? HA! what society have YOU been in my friend? btw your last sentence is a little bit childish, i'd work on that if I were you...
@BigFatHeretic And I apologize if i'm replying to you so much, but I actually do read...hence why i'm being smart about our conversations and not adding unnecessary childish words such as "BUY-BULL" and idiotic comments such as "Pack your Guccii bag, and hit the road jack!" I think the person who needs to grow up is yourself. Feel free to comment some more, i'd be glad to clarify your grammar mistakes and your immaturity
Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given 2 the profane masses is another useful idiot 4 Jesuit machinations
Jesuitical; pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system 2 suit their Evo-Hoax Agenda to discredit the Bible
Papal Rome cant have their Counter Reformation 2nd Dark Age DESPOTISM until Bible is destroyed
In answer to those who say Dawkins is usually impolite or ad hom in interviews, he only gets a bit angry when people say really stupid thing's like the world is only 10,000 years old. RD has written books on the subject and he doesn't like people coming up to him with stupid smiles on their faces telling him that the world is 10,000 years old.
@BritishArrow yeah, I find this kind of debate more interesting, except that McGrath doesn't actually raise any good points for believing in a god, and the onus is on the believer to do so. He also avoids most questions slightly, taking an intentionally elusive interpretation of Christianity which just makes him sound very defensive and slightly comical. It's quite a Pythonesque dialogue in that way.
For top philosophy of religion & sceptical analysis of Bible & religion try Robert M Price, John W. Loftus, Dan Barker, Victor J. Stenger. E.A.Wallis Budge translation of, 'The Papyrus of Ani' (1500BCE comp O.T.800-300BCE ish), Donald A. Mackenzie,' Egyptian myth and legend', James G Frazer, 'The Golden Bough', Thomas Paine, Joseph Wheless, Robert Ingersoll, C.Dennis Mckinsey, Bart Ehrman, Gary Greenberg, Christopher Hitchens, Valerie Tarico, Ken Humphreys, archaeologist Israel Finkelstein
In Hinduism God is not the Creator or the world - But the Actor of the world. So, if we would asume this, every human being, every animal, every plant and so on, would be a part of God, experiencing Godself to know Godself. So the I AM in the Bible would really be with a ? I AM WHAT?.
This leads me to the very funny assumption that the Atheists, and Atheism, is Gods existential doubts about God's own existence! xD btw I'm not a Hindu. I'm just a voice, crying in the wilderness. ^^
Alistair continues to rise in my estimations, he is the only mainstream intelligent Christian priest/theologian who is tackling the New Atheism head on and conquering it. Without him there would be no one taking presenting a decent Christian riposte to the propaganda of Dawkins and co.
In reality, Dawkin's should be thankful for religion, especially Christianity. Religion ruled the land for thousands of years and if it had not we would not be watching this video right now. He acts like he wants to KILL Christianity... I think he should stick to Biology and stay away from Christian bashing.
@RayTech70 Thankful? How do you know how this world would be without religion? Millions of people have died in the name of religion; many of those in the name of Christianity. I am not thankful for that.
"complex" and "very hard to understand" are the same thing. lol If it's very hard for you too understand, no matter how primitive it may be, it's still complex.
I dont think evolution disproves the existence of God. As a matter of fact it shows Gods ingenuity and elegance in creating a universe where life is possible. This life is able not only to survive for billions of years but also evolve into conscious beings like Dawkins.
Dawkins biological viewpoint is too limited. If you take a look at modern theoretical physics, for instance, you find that the beginning of the universe is theorized to have begun at a singularity, a point of space containing infinite matter and infinite energy. Infinity is everything but simple. It's inconceivable. And that's what Dawkins has trouble with understanding.
@ZachRose88 Thanks for responding to my comment: I am personally grateful to science and the great scientists that have made invaluable contributions to mankind - i would however caution against either side/s referring to the other as stupid or dumb for believing in a particular way, let us respect each other. Let us also not forget that knowledge and what we hold as scientific fact today is subject to change tomorrow. If you are interested see a Bruce Lipton interview on the biology of belief.
@zwaksification "scientific fact today is subject to change tomorrow" Is that not why it is called science? It is not a bad thing to change a fact based on new evidence, that is how people learn. But please, tell me what facts have been changed in the last 100 years? what facts change? Reviewing something and changing it is a good thing regardless, saying "God did it" may not change, but it does not answer anything.
oh and jesus has moved for me, he saved my cousins life, he was trapped under a flooded bridge drowning i was trying to drag him to the surface of the water, he kept gettin further and further away from me. i was power less. after awhile all could see his hand i was fighting alosing battle i couldnt save him. i was despreate i was begining to cry. i knew he would die. but i knew god , knew there was power in his name, i called out to jesus . and in an instant he was above the water
@tuvmush What about the people who have called out "Jesus" but died anyway? Just because you happened to already believe in the religion you follow, and a event happens which you can't explain does not mean that Hindus, Muslims, Jews have not been in the same position and attributed it to the god of their choice, and they hold just as high a meaning towards their religion and think it was their god that had a helping hand in the event.
did you know that darwin said if there wasnt a macro evolution fossil found a hundred years within the creation of his theory it should be disregarded, guess what there hasnt been one. : )
@zwaksification But at least science is working tirelessly to uncover the answer. Relgion just says the answer is "faith in god"; whatever that means.
@freddyvoetsch Do you mean the same mind which enabled you to write such a comment? That is not deep thinking, that is just saying words without meaning and then labeling that statement as a 'open minded' statement.
I have yet to seen Science prove that one man can actually get inside another person's mind and actually know they are existing the same as the other is. None of us can have proof that anything outside the appearance of our mental apparitions is really going on. So no Scientific Measuring Stick can go inside the Mind, it cannot be touched by Materialism, it is entirely a reality built up on the assumptions of basic Faith in triangulations, the other guy is real because I sense I am real.
Atheists merely wish to say that anything called God as Sentience appears, emerged out of Randomness. And that is a baloney argument , a self serving attitude based on no Science at all, but stealing the essence of what Science is, a Stick of Measurements of things, and falsely applying it where it ought not to be. And why ? Because Science is not a parity of Nature. Science and Nature are two totally different things, Nature is real and Science is only Man Made Measuring Stick.
If I were the only one in the Universe actually alive and conscious and everything is merely a feedback impression of other people existing, I would alone be God. But since I accept the basic Assumption on Faith that you also exist and are sharing the same experience of being alive with me, that in the relationship of my life to yours, as a shared value, that Value is the God of our Relationship It is the only thing we are referring to as Intrinsically the God in the Machine of Ourselves.
Socialist indoctrination , an alternative to Natural Selection by biological positions of Fatherhood, is a Utopian concept of nudging humanity out of Natural Selection into an Artificial Selection. To make a case, that Dawkins says, that people would be better off not to be forced to adopt their parents religious culture, but indoctrinated in some intellectual world view of "experts" in "secularism" contradicts natural selection. Nature gave Parenting to Individuals , for better or worse
Dawkins wants to replace the concept of the Father and Son the natural divinity of a biological father to raise his son in religious precepts at the power and will of a father, having rule over the son's destination in life. Dawkins wants to replace the rule of the father by a rule of his Atheism so raise other people's children to a different outcome. So, this is an attempt to replace Natural Selection with Artificial Selection by introducing surrogate fathering as alternative nurturing.
God is the Steady State, outside the Big Bang, the First Cause, what should prove to be Life, not as the exceptional emergence, but in it's own world, the primary condition of the Eternal Past as a Steady State, is a conscious intelligent notion. The appearing of life and consciousness in this universe is a cue that another realm, another universe , is a Living Entity, has no death at all, but is itself an Intelligent Living Eternal Steady State. It is the Father, it is God, Eternal.
The world could emerge on the basis of purely random events, if an outside agency applied a determinative Judgment on some events & let others pass into futility. There must be another world, a steady state with some Intelligent Notion of itself as an implied Conservator of events having merit to a First Cause. Then with an determinative Judge, random events can roll by mere gambling and the selection must have desirability to the observer of events, with a priori of it's own to take interest.
@bbkingzor there must be a Steady State, but it is not of this universe, not of the Big Bang, not Material or pertaining to the normal sense of physical laws. The Steady State would constitute a First Cause, and explain the mystery of Intelligent Life that defies the normative of this Universe. But that state must be an Intelligent Notion , a case for God, a state that possesses Life and enumerates the explanation for the sense we bear out , that there is a Heaven, outside this world.
@bbkingzor You might look at a steady state for a reason for "Natural Selection" that a priori outside the present universe and it's apparent limits,is the rule for what seems to be happening here by time and chance. And that means an intersecting Universe of another nature than "Nature" That helps the case for God to have a reasonable grounds for belief , that we happen to be sensing that which we cannot touch materially ,but our feelings are not just ghosts and phantoms , but actual cues.
@CarmineFragione I'm not sure I understand your point. It seems like you're saying that because we "sense" the immaterial, it applies that is a God? Is this your view? If so, that view is easily discarded in my opinion, we might get into why unless I got you all wrong. However, your initial comment seems to suggest that there MUST be a entity outside our known universe in order for our universe to come into being. This is, again, easily refutable. Anyways, I might again have misunderstood you.
@bbkingzor There is an artistry to sensory perception you may not understand. An object does not exist, unless there is available space around it to create boundaries of distinctions. If you paint a Red Vase on the same color Red Canvas, nothing appears, but it is there. If you put one drop of water into the ocean, you cannot track it, it becomes lost to the collective reality of water. Some things cannot be measured by science because it requires "objectivity" that is not available.
@CarmineFragione Sure, I'll be happy to agree with that. However, how to you make the step to go from that position to a position of "There must because of this fact be a God"? I think I did get you right in that you say that since not everything is processable by our human minds, then it must follow that there is a God. This is, to me, obviously fallible. But again, is this really what you are saying? That since some things are mysterious then there must be a deity?
@sonykroket There is no superstition to the concept of Self Awareness equating with the Concept of God. What is God ? Life and what is Sacred, beginning with, your own life. What Science can you offer for the personal intimacy of your conscious life, mere speculation ? Science is not Nature, thus it is not at all Natural to discuss the Value of your Experience of being alive by Scientific Arguments in favor or against your own survival !!! We share an experience and that is the God
@CarmineFragione: "There is no superstition to the concept of Self Awareness equating with the Concept of God"
Yes, there is. It's an assumption based on zero evidence. Again you talk a lot but it's all fairytales. Not all of us need those to have a purpose in life or to feel special.
And if you need reli-nonsense for you moral code, they should lock you up
I believe that the reason dawkins is so kind to this man is because i believe he actually knows that he is intellectually on his level or even higher.
Guys, this is how the debate should be! These two guys both really believe that they are right. Look, let's not get into "this is dumb, he's just defending his sky daddy" or "Heck, Dawkins is an utter prat, he don't even get a thing" - please, acknowledge the debate, and DO IT IN THE WAY THAT THESE GUYS DO - Politely, nicely, and with a MUTUAL RESPECT FOR THE OTHER PERSON!
I mean evidence, not proof. Science and religion can be compatible if you are willing to replace outmoded ideas when the science contradicts them. Any independently verifiable evidence would be good, its not that hard for most other subjects, why so for the supposed creator. All of these men were products of their time and were heavily indoctrinated by a Christian dominated society, try some new stats, like 85% of America's most prestigious scientists are Atheists in a highly religious country.
@Believerification No one has been successful at explaining the origin of the universe. There is simply no evidence or way to currently gather evidence about this facet of the past. Science does not claim to have any answers about this period (hypotheses or ideas, but no evidence so therefore no answers), religion says: "There is no evidence, so God did it". Both answers are unsatisfactory, the first just seems far more humble.
@alangnixon Arbitrarily, because it happens to be convenient; because his methods do not allow him to deal with the immense complexity of reality, the scientist selects from the whole of experience only those elements which can be weighed, numbered, or which lend themselves in any other way to mathematical treatment. By using this technique of simplification and abstraction, the scientist has succeeded to an astonishing degree in understanding and dominating the physical environment.
@Believerification The success was intoxicating and, with an illogicality which, in the circumstances, was doubtless pardonable, many scientists and philosophers came to imagine that this useful abstraction from reality was reality itself. Reality as actually experienced contains intuitions of value and significance, contains love, beauty, mystical ecstasy, intimations of godhead.
@Believerification "Reality as actually experienced contains intuitions of value and significance, contains love, beauty, mystical ecstasy, intimations of godhead."
Everything in your sentence prior to the Godhead is realisable without it, there is no necessity for a surpernatural being to give use intuition/meaning, create relationships, make things aesthetically pleasing or create feelings of oneness with the world. Far from intimated, the Godhead is again an unnecessary hypothesis here.
Respond to this video... We say, "There's evidence that God did it." You're confounding evidence with proof. Evidence is the absence of an alibi; evidence is being seen in the vicinity of a crime, the testimony of witnesses is evidence. What you want is proof. But if seeing God could cure wickedness Satan wouldn't be evil. If you saw God you'd be a hundred times more guilty than you are now, for having seen Him you would still be disobedient.
@Believerification Really not sure what to do with that twisted piece of reasoning. See how much effort you have to put in to avoid science... Those things would be called circumstantial evidence or corroborating evidence but they are not the hard evidence that would make a case indisputable. Considering the improbable nature of what you propose, I think people should be very dubious of accepting such flimsy evidence.
@alangnixon No one is avoiding science. You seem to be suffering from the misconception that science and religious belief are incompatible, while I was talking about you and what you would accept as evidence, about what you mean, which is "proof, indisputable" when you SAY evidence. There's plenty of evidence. Now as for science and religion---ever heard of Newton, Galileo, Clark Maxwell? These scientists were Christian.
"Christ is the Son of God Who died for the redemption of sinners and was resurrected after three days. This is the greatest truth in the universe. Watchman Nee."
@JasonGolden100 You need to look at more things. He says he is a gentle person and he really is. I think in the last two weeks i have watched everything of him on youtube and there were three moments when he douched out, and several hundreds were he really was nice, polite, gentle but true to his ways.
@JasonGolden100 Agreed, this is so much nicer to listen to and more interesting. It feels like they are arguing and discussing rahter than fighting. x)
@JasonGolden100 I've never thought Dawkins to be a douche. We may disagree on some fundamental things, but I've always found him rather reasonable. You have to understand that in most situations he's arguing against people who aren't on his level intellectually and are presenting arguments that encourage a more hostile atmosphere. This is the real Dawkins; conversing with a peer where neither feel threatened and both are there to learn.
@Eregost2 Dawkins is very much a douche. Saying anyone who denies evolution is evil,stupid or ignorant is being a douche, Because there is no evidence for macro-evolution.
@LordShivasServant uh perhaps because you disagree you think he is a prick? I really wish I didn't have to point that out... Which also proves that if its just disagreeing with him that makes you think he is a prick... Then you're just insulting him because you have no other argument you can possibly lay against the truthful nature of his comments.
@SwuaveWEB The fact is, you could be correct, yet you weren't there... just because your ignorant of everything but the topic at-hand doesn't make you right.
I'm beginning to wonder if you're more interested in preserving your wacky little point than being correct. Isn't that against your religion? :P
@SwuaveWEB Well if you don't understand me, that's your problem then.
Seriously. Look into the process of Videography and Filmmaking. It's a fascinating art. Regardless of what you think of this conversation here. Directors and playwrites built worlds that we live in today, and continue to do so.
@JasonGolden100 I have yet to see him act like a "douche". Or at least I've never seen him act like a douche to people who are as intellectual and calm as McGrath. If you're in an argument or debate with a thick-headed "professor" who can't rationalize and instead gives you an argument you've heard time and time again, surely you can sometimes lose your cool.
@emekonen "The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion. Not anything can be studied as a science, without our being in possession of the principles upon which it is founded; and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing." -- Thomas Paine
@emekonen just as McGrath has litte understanding of science. I have listened to every moment of their arguement and neither of them truly has a great deal of understanding towards the idealology of their opposers. One arguement i can make however, is that dawkins has not made any eroneous assumptions by any means. He begins his arguements by simple explanation and developes his complex belief system through processes which have been proven by science.
it took billions of years, the probability gets better and better, think about lookin at the same horse for 13 billion years in billions of galaxies running in the same race it has to win eventually, thats us, i dont see the problem, winner all right, winner all right , shame the horse is only going to run a few races.
I'm glad Dawkins asked it because that was what I was wondering. He wants to rationalise believing in God as a medium of faith, guidance and comfort, but why Christianity? There are thousands of religions, why not believe in something for yourself use a bit of creativity? @thinkalott33 I won't follow Dawkins especially but empirical truth. When the jaws of death take me, as they inevitably will. I will not live in fear, be it fear of God, fear of death or any other. Quite unlike you...
@Ician100 and you can follow one man that cant save you from the jaws of death . he cant even save his self when that time comes . and yes you will answer to some one . but the world was put here by some one that had a plan . you cant even pant a piture with out a plan . threw out history people all was went down the wrong road folling a man . why would you follow a man that can die a bleed like any other man . follow God and you will have a chance . richard dawkins is just a man that it .
before peace comes to pass . what would have to happend ? well all of the evil dictatetors would have to fall . china,iran,north korea . and then peace will come . and now what are you seeing . the people riseing up and bringing down the evil dictatetors of the world . and then evey nation will become apart of what . the united nations . then the world will sing . we finaly have reached world peace . then evrything will fall apart . and nation will rise against nation like never before .
@thinkalott33 Oh my, Jesus said it, but he didn't MEAN it. Yeah, all-all-all the way. When Jesus said "Love one another, for love is god" he MEANT that love those who believe in god and hate everyone else. Now how does that sound like. Or "Turn the other cheek" actually MEANS that if you were hit on one cheek you should hit your attacker's BOTH cheeks. Sounds very poor doesn't it? It's a pathetic apologie that jesus didn't actually MEANT what he SAID. See you in Congo Rainforest servant of god.
@xwlr you dont have the power to change the word of . so the devil has given you words to say . week just week . sorry but you dont move me not even i inch . you think your cute because you spell GOD WITH A SMALL G ! wow your realy powerful . we no that who God is . so why are you fighting something you dont beleave in . i think the atheist give God more credit the the cristians do . because the way you fight the God of the bible and no other is because you no there is a God . thank you
@thinkalott33 Pretty old lame argument. Seems like you're not even trying to answer anything anymore. Just to remind you, you still haven't told me why earthquakes floods diseases storms forestfires are happened to be allowed by god. Yes, small g. Just like small u with unicorns or small l with lepricons. You cannot change the world no more than I can. Still haven't moved a mountain have you? And there is a good video about why athests speak out against god: watch?v=xnbXlkNavwo
@xwlr whos is atheist . what is atheist . theres not even enouph of you to even be a factor . just a buch of bad mouths . always talking evil . thats all you guys do . evil this evil that . starting to sound like a broken record . with all your science talk . what is science . just some people trying to find out something they dont no . people ben living with out all this science for years . you can fix the mind , and body . but what can you do for the heart . nothing !
@thinkalott33 You know it's getting funnier and funnier what a jerk lame asshole you are. All Ahteists always do evil - that's pretty rediculous. You're just spouring your god as if it would be the only way to live by. You're not talking reason(soundingly) anymore you're words are pure hatred. And here in Eurpe there are millions of atheists, e.g in Sweden. And guess what, it's a very peaceful and balanced society without god, no surprise though as it doesn't do anything in reality.
@thinkalott33 I think, if it would exist, god would be very ashamed of you. You couldn't defend his name, as you couldn't jutify his part in naural diseasters famine and sickness. You couldn't explain the reason of an imperfect creation from a supposedly perfect being. You couldn't tell why god gives no single tangible sign of it's existence and why it is intentionally decieving us by making every evidence we discover indicate that there is no need for a god to explaint the world.
@thinkalott33 And honestly, you are insulting Atheists by calling them "just a buch of bad mouths" even misppelling -bunch-. Do you think jesus would approve that? Do you think it would be proud of you for this if it would exist? I think you would go to hell for being so rude with Atheists and having hate towards them. I suggest you to repent on your sins, pray for forgivness and try to follow jesus's teachings a bit more closely. Than go to the Congo Rainforest with bible and a crucifix alone.
@xwlr are you real . saying that atheist have bad mouths is not a sin it is the truth . im not saying that all are bad . but some of you say some nasty things about God . even in your video you demonise God . why because he,s trying to save a dieing world . when will we take the blame for what we have turned this world in to . wars ,murder,hate . and it is true what the bible said in the last days people will call the truth a lie . God loves the world no matter what you say .
@thinkalott33 I have no video. So let's start quoting: "whos is atheist . what is atheist . theres not even enouph of you to even be a factor . just a buch of bad mouths . always talking evil . thats all you guys do ." Aside from the horrible spelling it clearly states that atheists are all bad mouths whom are alwalys talking evil. It is the truth? No, my friend it is prejudice. On the same basis could I say that all cristians are fools, when in fact only creationists are ALL fools.
@thinkalott33 I had enough of your dishonesty. You never adress the question. You say god loves the world but don't answer why it allows natural diseasters famine sickness diseases accidents; why it gives no tangible sign of it's existence while allowing false religions and makes "false" evidence indicating evolution and a complete lack of supernatural intervention in the development of humans and life in general. You also don't adress the Congo topic. You avoid these questions like fire.
@thinkalott33 So I'll make one last attempt. You were stupid enough to think science is guessing. You sincerely believed it. You thought that the 40nm microchip architecture was guessed, the speaker and monitor technologies are simple guesses, the faster-than-sound air fighters are based on a guess, CERN is simply a guess, microwave and genetics was a guess and so on. Unless you admit that you were wrong on this one I will consider your cognitive potential inadequte to continue arguing with you.
@xwlr so tell me this xwlr .... what do this have to do with life there is people that are still living with out all these things you speek of . you bost and brag about what a man can do . can he defeat death ? can he go in the grave and walk back out ? can science bring my mother back to life ? can science stop people from killing each other . can science make a man love his enimie ? can science make a man forgive ? can science stop racism ? can it make a man thats full of hate love again ?
@thinkalott33 Alright thank you very much, that's just what I expected. You haven't adressed ANY of the topics, you have proven that that your neurological system is insufficient to analyze new information. It's like inserting a recovery disc that falls out on the other side of the computer while the screen states "FATAL ERROR". I'm jut going to stop and consider it a victory of facts over superstition SINCE you couldn't even answer my arguments. Btw god couldn't stop any of those things either.
@thinkalott33 Oh, and one last thing. People who live without the problems I speak of tend to live in scientifically advanced regions like America, Europe, or Japan. In Japan the effects of earthquakes (clearly produced by tectonic movements, not witchcraft) are suprressed with scientific methods.You pretty much scored against yourself. (God couldn't bring your mother back)I'm not going to continue this with you since there is no point.Whatever I tell you, you start rantling about god and death.
and now we see all these things the bible talked about coming to pass . sudden peace . sudden detruction is what jesus said . first there will come a man that will bring peace to all the nations . sudden peace . sudden destruction . what do this means . it will come a time when all the nations will be at peace . and what do we call it . the united nations ? um . thats funny it sounds like what the bible said . and what do you see in egyped ,inran, . the fall of evil dictatetors .
@uselessknowledge1 cant even respond to satans children . thats why your so lonely in side . i no . some times you wish you wasnt even living . i feel your sadness . but letting the devil control your heart is no way to live . your words dont move me . your comment was a watse of time . even was even almost funny . how sad you are . i feel for you
in this world we have chose to walk away from the one who made us . but we blame him for everything that go,s wrong . that is like a person on drugs . blaming every one for his own drug habbit . and we wonder why we have wars earth quakes . it is the sin in the world . that cursed the world . we have 60% of haiti doing witch craft . and you wonder why . when will we admitt to the fact we have turned our back on God . who is man enouph to say so ?
@thinkalott33 The origin of the Bible, god's backgrounf can be clearly tracked back to a superstious barbaric unciclized ironage barbaric desert tribe. The style of the old testament makes it clear it's no more than human imagination and jesus based on that imagination fails to be very meaningful. God did not create man on his own image, but man created god on his. The men creating god were bloodthirsty vengeful moralless horrible people and Yahwe clearly reflects it. He's like a tribal warlord.
@thinkalott33 And how couldn't we turned away from god? He never shown any sign of his existence, and at the same time we saw the products of critical thinking and evidence based worldview. If he exists he doesn't want to be seen or he's intentionally decieving us. And of Haiti maybe you call it witchcraft but it is their tradition like yours is christianity. And please explain the exact tectonical mechanism that witchcraft triggered and accurately describe the method HOW it triggered it.
@uselessknowledge1 well sence your so smart .oh . And your grammer is not the greatest . thuoght i would just let you no . but back to what we were talking about . we all no that no one is perfect . and we also no that any one can be evil if they choose to be . and if 5 people mess up . do that make the other 5 million bad ? no it dont . it just means you have a few bad apples .
@jordaniac89 lol . and you think your a match for me . I hardley think so . your senseless words hold no power here . see its people like you that think they can do good by there self . not noing the very air you breave is a gift from God . just be glad that God is a merciful . and he can look pass our short comings . see one thing you forgot . there is a God if you beleave it or not . just because you dont beleave . dont mean there is no God . i can beleave i dont have a computer . but i do !
@thinkalott33 I think you need to leave your period key alone, what has it ever done to you? Prove the air I breathe is a gift from God; prove God is merciful (he certainly isn't in much of the Bible); prove that God is real and then rational people might listen to your futile attempts at making us believe you know something that we don't: God.
@morphicwraith why would i have to prove that God is here . when every time you look at your self . you see God . why would i have to prove there is a God . when every time you see the power of the sun . you see God . why would i have to prove that God is here . when you see a child being born . you see God . why would i have to prove that God is here . when you see the birds flying . you see God . why would i have to prove that God is merciful . noing that he still is letting you live !
@thinkalott33 When I see Africa starving, when I saw the Tsunami in 2004, when I saw the earthquake in Haiti when I heard of the vulcano erupt in Izland when I saw god letting 9/11 happen, when I hear of AIDS cancer kolera malaria and other viral infections, when I see predators killing their prey (on NatGeoCH) when I see babies born with abominations when I hear airplanes crash or ships sank when I saw Chernobyl when car accidents happen when people lose limps or get blinded I KNOW god loves us
The elephant in the room is that one of these two 'personal, intelligent beings' is arguing with another 'personal, intelligent being' against the possibility of the existence of a 'personal, intelligent being' LOL!
WotchDis 3 weeks ago in playlist The Root of all Evil?: The Uncut Interviews - Alistair McGra
I don't see any contradiction between the science and God. It is a wrong question to ask did God made the world, but rather the pursuit of science study should be "How" it is made. I don't understand why Atheist are so focused on eradication of "religion" given both, religious people and atheistic people have done their share of destroying of humanity. If there is God that is truly benevolent then I believe the truth of it will bear itself out to those, whose heart are "honestly" seeking....
Imaginone 4 weeks ago
Religion is all about looking at the way things are currently, not remaining in tradition, as opposed to science, which only cares about ancient history and old ways of thinking.
What the hell?
crzyprplmnky 1 month ago
McGrath repeats himself over and over again, he´s not really listening or answering any of the questions Dawkins throws at him. It´s actually quite disturbing.
theman82 1 month ago
Does anyone understand that if Dawkins was around several hundred years ago and studied science like he has he would argue that the world was flat? Science is always changing always evolving and developing and is quite often proved to be wrong (for example the discovery of the Platypus was believed to be a gimmick OR another theory was it was a mutated animal. Turns out it was not) the arrogance of some scientists has always been they cant see the future and how the 'truth' can change.
JJvideoman 1 month ago
mcgrath's opinions are very nice, but i feel like only he would hold those values as a theologian. I find it difficult for him to advocate this same style of thinking amongst all religious people when they probably do not support it in the same way/for the same reasons...
yamammiwammi 1 month ago
@whatyouchating that seems a little outlandish too me. just my opinion though
hello83558 2 months ago
how can dawkins know anything about christianity if he's never studied the theology?
hello83558 3 months ago
@hello83558 My mother is a fundamental christian and doesn't know anything about christianity. A literally referred to her as a "Theist" and she blew up at me because she thought I was accusing her of not believing in god. Even after assuring her I was calling her a "theist" and not an "atheist" she still thought the same thing. She didn't even know what a "theist" was. Science is capable of changing it's mind when/if proven so. Fundamental believers....have proven they WILL NOT.
dnlbraden 1 month ago
@dnlbraden
Funny how you say that, when we know for a fact that comets have a life span of about 100,000 years, and we have yet to find evidence of an oort cloud. It's also notable that Uranus and Neptune are still giving off heat, and scientists know that can't last billions of years, yet scientists continue to insist the universe is billions of years old. The problem isn't the amount of evidence, the problem is a person's worldview.
AlanYugi9689 1 month ago
Alister is, as expected, completely elusive. There is no substance in his argument.
Starnebula100 3 months ago
I don't believe in original sin. We're born innocent. The idea of original sin has been use as a justification for child abuse!
BigFatHeretic 4 months ago
@BigFatHeretic There's no such thing as innocence...when you're born as a child, then yes your innocent but the fact that child abuse is caused by an older person, then that adult must have had a reason to be that way. which means, if you link this all the way to the beginning, then you'll know that there's no origin of innocence which means there's no innocence. We're all (from a christian point of view) sinners but from an (atheist point of view) it's wrong.
Exlax123 3 months ago
@Exlax123 No, we are born innocent! We may lose our innocence as we grow up in the world. Many children have their innocence beaten out of them, and this "born in sin" bullshit from the BUY-BULL as been used as a justification for child abuse, and for torture. Religion has brought nothing but evil into the world.
BigFatHeretic 3 months ago
@BigFatHeretic . . . continued from previous . . . ignorance and the rejection of knowledge is a sin. NOT picking a piece of fruit from a tree, as depicted in your Christian fairy tales! Yeah! You Christian retards believe knowledge and the desire to acquire knowledge is a sin. It's not! Ignorance is evil. It was not curiosity that killed the cat. It was ignorance that killed the cat. Curiosity was framed, and got a bum rap!
BigFatHeretic 3 months ago
@Exlax123 No, wait! I'll tell you what the original sins was! It came sometime after man invented religion. A volcano erupted, the superstitious people believed the gods were angry, and to appease the angry gods they would make a sacrifice by tossing innocent women and children into the volcano. Now, thanks to science, we know what causes volcanoes, and lightening, and almost everything else. Being willfully ignorant and rejecting knowledge is a sin . . . to be continued . . .
BigFatHeretic 3 months ago
@BigFatHeretic lol you're judging Religion based on your own opinion...well sorry my friend your opinion lacks resources and by lacking resources to support your "Claim" you really have no good reason to hate on a religion. From what i'm hearing, you obviously haven't read the Bible, yet you already view it as a violent causing destruction that corrupted the world. Well it's just like saying, "well I don't know who this man is but he's a jackass" do you know this man? No...
Exlax123 3 months ago
@BigFatHeretic And do you know why you hate him? no.... think about it my friend, as an Atheist, you can really do whatever you want. There is no law, so if I wanted to kill you it would be alright because there's no one of a higher power to punish me or whatnot. Well if that's the case why is there a law that prevents you from doing such things? I thought there was no right or wrong? Do humans not have morality? Atheists won't answer that.
Exlax123 3 months ago
@Exlax123 You're a fine one to talk of morality! Hey, boys and girls! Can you say, INQUISITION??? Yeah! Christians are a fine example of morality! For centuries Christians have murdered and tortured people! The Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials, I could go on and on. But I don't want to make myself sick! The BUY-BULL advocates slavery and even killing children! So, you can take you religion and your BUY-BULL and shove it up where it's dark and warm and where the sun never shines!
BigFatHeretic 3 months ago
@BigFatHeretic I don't understand why you're so angry, and the fact that you're insulting my faith is quite immature of you....I'm here talking to you about my point of view on life yet you're here on youtube criticizing me without giving me any justification to what you're saying. I'm sorry if I offended you in anyway but I'm just trying to explain, I'll try and have a normal intellectual conversation when you're ready...
Exlax123 3 months ago
@Exlax123 I just checked out your retarded little channel, and in your profile, you say you have only read one book, then you go on to say that "reading sucks"! Well, as for me, I love reading. My mother taught me how to read before I even started school, and by the time I was only in the 3rd grade I was already able to read at high school and adult level. Science was my favorite subject, especially astronomy. . . . to be continued . . . . .
BigFatHeretic 3 months ago
@Exlax123 . . . continued from previous . . . When I was in school, I was lousy at sports, due to a crippled up left knee, the result of a car accident, so I was unable to run and I walked with a limp. When I was in the 5th grade, my teacher was really Gung Ho about sports and PE, and he enjoyed humiliating in the gym. One day, our class went to the school library. While all the other students were allowed to check out any book they wanted, I was not. . . . to be continued . . .
BigFatHeretic 3 months ago
@Exlax123 . . . continued from previous . . . we got into an argument, and he dragged me out into the hallway, and pushed me back, bashing my head up against the corner of the concrete block wall. The following year, that teacher was fired, but for me, the damage was done. Due to a severe concision, I had dizzy spells and headaches for a few years afterward. All this, in a dispute over a book I was not allowed to check out from the library. . . . to be continued . . .
BigFatHeretic 3 months ago
@Exlax123 . . . continued from previous . . . After school, I would spend a lot of time in the public library and check out books that my ass-hole of a teacher in school would not allow me to read. Then, you say on your channel page that "reading sucks!" And now, you say that you'll try to have a normal "intellectual" conversation when I'm ready. So, you wish to engage in a battle of wits! Eh? But you have come unarmed! . . . to be continued . . . . .
BigFatHeretic 3 months ago
@Exlax123 . . . You say "reading sucks" but I love reading. I say, reading is cool, and books rule! You're what's wrong in society these days. When I was a kid, I was willing to take a beating because of my love for books! Sorry JIMBO! But because you say on your channel page that "reading sucks", then we have nothing more to discuss! So, you can just pack your Gucci bag, and hit the road jack! I'm outta here! See ya! Wouldn't want to be ya!
BigFatHeretic 3 months ago
@BigFatHeretic Your life story is touching however, this is nonetheless related to our topic...what am I supposed to pity you or something? And that profile wasn't edited for years, I would assume someone like yourself is looking for any sort of source to back up your statement, well reading isn't everything, I can easily not read a book and be the smartest person on the planet...I'm a university student majoring in psychology, sociology, and philosophy and I have TO BE CONTINUED---
Exlax123 3 months ago
@BigFatHeretic probably more knowledge on religion than yourself. After reading your claim of looking at my youtube profile I LOL'D so hard, you think you know my life story and everything about me just by looking at a few simple words? This is youtube not a Bibliography... Really? think about what you say before you talk my friend, you're not lookin so good right now.
Exlax123 3 months ago
@BigFatHeretic I come to wonder if you have an attention span of a goldfish, because you can't stick to one subject. We were once talking about the Bible and then you were giving me this whole lecture about your life story which has absolutely no relevance to our previous subject and then you're claiming you know me by a simple profile I made up in 20 seconds? HA! what society have YOU been in my friend? btw your last sentence is a little bit childish, i'd work on that if I were you...
Exlax123 3 months ago
@BigFatHeretic And I apologize if i'm replying to you so much, but I actually do read...hence why i'm being smart about our conversations and not adding unnecessary childish words such as "BUY-BULL" and idiotic comments such as "Pack your Guccii bag, and hit the road jack!" I think the person who needs to grow up is yourself. Feel free to comment some more, i'd be glad to clarify your grammar mistakes and your immaturity
Exlax123 3 months ago
So can we agree that McGrath agrees the earth is billions of years old then?
axolotl5 4 months ago
Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given 2 the profane masses is another useful idiot 4 Jesuit machinations
Jesuitical; pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system 2 suit their Evo-Hoax Agenda to discredit the Bible
Papal Rome cant have their Counter Reformation 2nd Dark Age DESPOTISM until Bible is destroyed
SpencerBenedict2nd 4 months ago
In answer to those who say Dawkins is usually impolite or ad hom in interviews, he only gets a bit angry when people say really stupid thing's like the world is only 10,000 years old. RD has written books on the subject and he doesn't like people coming up to him with stupid smiles on their faces telling him that the world is 10,000 years old.
BritishArrow 4 months ago 10
@BritishArrow yeah, I find this kind of debate more interesting, except that McGrath doesn't actually raise any good points for believing in a god, and the onus is on the believer to do so. He also avoids most questions slightly, taking an intentionally elusive interpretation of Christianity which just makes him sound very defensive and slightly comical. It's quite a Pythonesque dialogue in that way.
Orkiperson 4 months ago
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For top philosophy of religion & sceptical analysis of Bible & religion try Robert M Price, John W. Loftus, Dan Barker, Victor J. Stenger. E.A.Wallis Budge translation of, 'The Papyrus of Ani' (1500BCE comp O.T.800-300BCE ish), Donald A. Mackenzie,' Egyptian myth and legend', James G Frazer, 'The Golden Bough', Thomas Paine, Joseph Wheless, Robert Ingersoll, C.Dennis Mckinsey, Bart Ehrman, Gary Greenberg, Christopher Hitchens, Valerie Tarico, Ken Humphreys, archaeologist Israel Finkelstein
zytigon 6 months ago
if all talkative american christians would have born somewhere else, you'd think different and fuck christianity like normal people do lol
Wh1skey 6 months ago
I ONCE ASKED GOD 4 A BIKE AND SOON WORKED OUT HE DONT WORK LIKE THAT,,SO I STOLE A BIKE AND THEN ASKED 4 HIS 4GIVNESS
stevenut88 6 months ago
In Hinduism God is not the Creator or the world - But the Actor of the world. So, if we would asume this, every human being, every animal, every plant and so on, would be a part of God, experiencing Godself to know Godself. So the I AM in the Bible would really be with a ? I AM WHAT?.
This leads me to the very funny assumption that the Atheists, and Atheism, is Gods existential doubts about God's own existence! xD btw I'm not a Hindu. I'm just a voice, crying in the wilderness. ^^
warmsteel 6 months ago
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Alistair continues to rise in my estimations, he is the only mainstream intelligent Christian priest/theologian who is tackling the New Atheism head on and conquering it. Without him there would be no one taking presenting a decent Christian riposte to the propaganda of Dawkins and co.
jabu285 6 months ago
i just had and epiphany: GOD IS AN EMOTION!!!!
its brilliant emotions are inherently subjective and irrational yet powerful and nonetheless REAL.
we have an urge to feel like the universe can be explained with us at the center
its religion that is the lie, its the bible/qaran thats the diversion
OMG im a genius love hate sadness, guilt God
PimpMyParadigm 6 months ago
Both very smart men, but after 5 clips of Alister starting his sentence with "That's a very interesting question", it's getting rather annoying
Pimpjit85 6 months ago
In reality, Dawkin's should be thankful for religion, especially Christianity. Religion ruled the land for thousands of years and if it had not we would not be watching this video right now. He acts like he wants to KILL Christianity... I think he should stick to Biology and stay away from Christian bashing.
RayTech70 7 months ago
@RayTech70 Thankful? How do you know how this world would be without religion? Millions of people have died in the name of religion; many of those in the name of Christianity. I am not thankful for that.
ludogogo 7 months ago
"complex" and "very hard to understand" are the same thing. lol If it's very hard for you too understand, no matter how primitive it may be, it's still complex.
LordShivasServant 7 months ago
Well I think that you've raised a very important question.
xFailPrincessx 7 months ago
I dont think evolution disproves the existence of God. As a matter of fact it shows Gods ingenuity and elegance in creating a universe where life is possible. This life is able not only to survive for billions of years but also evolve into conscious beings like Dawkins.
PhysiologicAli 7 months ago
@PhysiologicAli Once you allow evolution to go side by side with religion, no existing religion is compatible. Only ID is compatible with it.
fcdog555 7 months ago
McGrath's face is soo funny...and the way he moves his mouth makes me laugh sooo hard...hahahhah....
dontdarewatch 7 months ago
Dawkins biological viewpoint is too limited. If you take a look at modern theoretical physics, for instance, you find that the beginning of the universe is theorized to have begun at a singularity, a point of space containing infinite matter and infinite energy. Infinity is everything but simple. It's inconceivable. And that's what Dawkins has trouble with understanding.
Mjumbojetpresdent 7 months ago
@ZachRose88 Thanks for responding to my comment: I am personally grateful to science and the great scientists that have made invaluable contributions to mankind - i would however caution against either side/s referring to the other as stupid or dumb for believing in a particular way, let us respect each other. Let us also not forget that knowledge and what we hold as scientific fact today is subject to change tomorrow. If you are interested see a Bruce Lipton interview on the biology of belief.
zwaksification 7 months ago
@zwaksification "scientific fact today is subject to change tomorrow" Is that not why it is called science? It is not a bad thing to change a fact based on new evidence, that is how people learn. But please, tell me what facts have been changed in the last 100 years? what facts change? Reviewing something and changing it is a good thing regardless, saying "God did it" may not change, but it does not answer anything.
BunWackettBuzzard 7 months ago
oh and jesus has moved for me, he saved my cousins life, he was trapped under a flooded bridge drowning i was trying to drag him to the surface of the water, he kept gettin further and further away from me. i was power less. after awhile all could see his hand i was fighting alosing battle i couldnt save him. i was despreate i was begining to cry. i knew he would die. but i knew god , knew there was power in his name, i called out to jesus . and in an instant he was above the water
tuvmush 8 months ago
@tuvmush What about the people who have called out "Jesus" but died anyway? Just because you happened to already believe in the religion you follow, and a event happens which you can't explain does not mean that Hindus, Muslims, Jews have not been in the same position and attributed it to the god of their choice, and they hold just as high a meaning towards their religion and think it was their god that had a helping hand in the event.
BunWackettBuzzard 7 months ago
did you know that darwin said if there wasnt a macro evolution fossil found a hundred years within the creation of his theory it should be disregarded, guess what there hasnt been one. : )
tuvmush 8 months ago
Why don't we all concede that for now we simply don't know? There are things that neither science nor religion can satisfactorily explain.
zwaksification 8 months ago
@zwaksification But at least science is working tirelessly to uncover the answer. Relgion just says the answer is "faith in god"; whatever that means.
ZachRose88 8 months ago
Prove to me the mind exists and I will shortly thereafter prove to you that God exists. Think deeper and open your mind.
freddyvoetsch 8 months ago
@freddyvoetsch Do you mean the same mind which enabled you to write such a comment? That is not deep thinking, that is just saying words without meaning and then labeling that statement as a 'open minded' statement.
BunWackettBuzzard 7 months ago
What a miracle. Neither Dawkins or McGrath rudely interrupts the other. They sure must of been tempted to.
55k3v1n 8 months ago
I have yet to seen Science prove that one man can actually get inside another person's mind and actually know they are existing the same as the other is. None of us can have proof that anything outside the appearance of our mental apparitions is really going on. So no Scientific Measuring Stick can go inside the Mind, it cannot be touched by Materialism, it is entirely a reality built up on the assumptions of basic Faith in triangulations, the other guy is real because I sense I am real.
CarmineFragione 9 months ago
Atheists merely wish to say that anything called God as Sentience appears, emerged out of Randomness. And that is a baloney argument , a self serving attitude based on no Science at all, but stealing the essence of what Science is, a Stick of Measurements of things, and falsely applying it where it ought not to be. And why ? Because Science is not a parity of Nature. Science and Nature are two totally different things, Nature is real and Science is only Man Made Measuring Stick.
CarmineFragione 9 months ago
If I were the only one in the Universe actually alive and conscious and everything is merely a feedback impression of other people existing, I would alone be God. But since I accept the basic Assumption on Faith that you also exist and are sharing the same experience of being alive with me, that in the relationship of my life to yours, as a shared value, that Value is the God of our Relationship It is the only thing we are referring to as Intrinsically the God in the Machine of Ourselves.
CarmineFragione 9 months ago
Socialist indoctrination , an alternative to Natural Selection by biological positions of Fatherhood, is a Utopian concept of nudging humanity out of Natural Selection into an Artificial Selection. To make a case, that Dawkins says, that people would be better off not to be forced to adopt their parents religious culture, but indoctrinated in some intellectual world view of "experts" in "secularism" contradicts natural selection. Nature gave Parenting to Individuals , for better or worse
CarmineFragione 9 months ago
Dawkins wants to replace the concept of the Father and Son the natural divinity of a biological father to raise his son in religious precepts at the power and will of a father, having rule over the son's destination in life. Dawkins wants to replace the rule of the father by a rule of his Atheism so raise other people's children to a different outcome. So, this is an attempt to replace Natural Selection with Artificial Selection by introducing surrogate fathering as alternative nurturing.
CarmineFragione 9 months ago
God is the Steady State, outside the Big Bang, the First Cause, what should prove to be Life, not as the exceptional emergence, but in it's own world, the primary condition of the Eternal Past as a Steady State, is a conscious intelligent notion. The appearing of life and consciousness in this universe is a cue that another realm, another universe , is a Living Entity, has no death at all, but is itself an Intelligent Living Eternal Steady State. It is the Father, it is God, Eternal.
CarmineFragione 9 months ago
The world could emerge on the basis of purely random events, if an outside agency applied a determinative Judgment on some events & let others pass into futility. There must be another world, a steady state with some Intelligent Notion of itself as an implied Conservator of events having merit to a First Cause. Then with an determinative Judge, random events can roll by mere gambling and the selection must have desirability to the observer of events, with a priori of it's own to take interest.
CarmineFragione 9 months ago
@CarmineFragione So, you believe in Steady Sate?
bbkingzor 9 months ago
@bbkingzor there must be a Steady State, but it is not of this universe, not of the Big Bang, not Material or pertaining to the normal sense of physical laws. The Steady State would constitute a First Cause, and explain the mystery of Intelligent Life that defies the normative of this Universe. But that state must be an Intelligent Notion , a case for God, a state that possesses Life and enumerates the explanation for the sense we bear out , that there is a Heaven, outside this world.
CarmineFragione 9 months ago
@bbkingzor You might look at a steady state for a reason for "Natural Selection" that a priori outside the present universe and it's apparent limits,is the rule for what seems to be happening here by time and chance. And that means an intersecting Universe of another nature than "Nature" That helps the case for God to have a reasonable grounds for belief , that we happen to be sensing that which we cannot touch materially ,but our feelings are not just ghosts and phantoms , but actual cues.
CarmineFragione 9 months ago
@CarmineFragione I'm not sure I understand your point. It seems like you're saying that because we "sense" the immaterial, it applies that is a God? Is this your view? If so, that view is easily discarded in my opinion, we might get into why unless I got you all wrong. However, your initial comment seems to suggest that there MUST be a entity outside our known universe in order for our universe to come into being. This is, again, easily refutable. Anyways, I might again have misunderstood you.
bbkingzor 9 months ago
@bbkingzor There is an artistry to sensory perception you may not understand. An object does not exist, unless there is available space around it to create boundaries of distinctions. If you paint a Red Vase on the same color Red Canvas, nothing appears, but it is there. If you put one drop of water into the ocean, you cannot track it, it becomes lost to the collective reality of water. Some things cannot be measured by science because it requires "objectivity" that is not available.
CarmineFragione 9 months ago
@CarmineFragione Sure, I'll be happy to agree with that. However, how to you make the step to go from that position to a position of "There must because of this fact be a God"? I think I did get you right in that you say that since not everything is processable by our human minds, then it must follow that there is a God. This is, to me, obviously fallible. But again, is this really what you are saying? That since some things are mysterious then there must be a deity?
bbkingzor 9 months ago
@CarmineFragione
You talk alot but it's all reli-nonsense, oh superstitious one
sonykroket 9 months ago
@sonykroket There is no superstition to the concept of Self Awareness equating with the Concept of God. What is God ? Life and what is Sacred, beginning with, your own life. What Science can you offer for the personal intimacy of your conscious life, mere speculation ? Science is not Nature, thus it is not at all Natural to discuss the Value of your Experience of being alive by Scientific Arguments in favor or against your own survival !!! We share an experience and that is the God
CarmineFragione 9 months ago
@CarmineFragione: "There is no superstition to the concept of Self Awareness equating with the Concept of God"
Yes, there is. It's an assumption based on zero evidence. Again you talk a lot but it's all fairytales. Not all of us need those to have a purpose in life or to feel special.
And if you need reli-nonsense for you moral code, they should lock you up
sonykroket 9 months ago
I believe that the reason dawkins is so kind to this man is because i believe he actually knows that he is intellectually on his level or even higher.
SlaveOfCrist 10 months ago
Guys, this is how the debate should be! These two guys both really believe that they are right. Look, let's not get into "this is dumb, he's just defending his sky daddy" or "Heck, Dawkins is an utter prat, he don't even get a thing" - please, acknowledge the debate, and DO IT IN THE WAY THAT THESE GUYS DO - Politely, nicely, and with a MUTUAL RESPECT FOR THE OTHER PERSON!
Cricketboys198 10 months ago
cripes. one man talking sense and reason, the other talking mist and obvuscation. you decide...
RationalThinker1859 10 months ago
I admire Dawkins' stamina.
I gave up on trying to explain to these reli-ants how a TV works.
Now i just make fun of these superstitious muppets.
sonykroket 10 months ago
I mean evidence, not proof. Science and religion can be compatible if you are willing to replace outmoded ideas when the science contradicts them. Any independently verifiable evidence would be good, its not that hard for most other subjects, why so for the supposed creator. All of these men were products of their time and were heavily indoctrinated by a Christian dominated society, try some new stats, like 85% of America's most prestigious scientists are Atheists in a highly religious country.
alangnixon 10 months ago
Science has been triumphant in explaining the past, but not the origin of the universe? It doesn't get any more "past" than that.
Believerification 10 months ago
@Believerification No one has been successful at explaining the origin of the universe. There is simply no evidence or way to currently gather evidence about this facet of the past. Science does not claim to have any answers about this period (hypotheses or ideas, but no evidence so therefore no answers), religion says: "There is no evidence, so God did it". Both answers are unsatisfactory, the first just seems far more humble.
alangnixon 10 months ago
@alangnixon Arbitrarily, because it happens to be convenient; because his methods do not allow him to deal with the immense complexity of reality, the scientist selects from the whole of experience only those elements which can be weighed, numbered, or which lend themselves in any other way to mathematical treatment. By using this technique of simplification and abstraction, the scientist has succeeded to an astonishing degree in understanding and dominating the physical environment.
Believerification 10 months ago
@Believerification The success was intoxicating and, with an illogicality which, in the circumstances, was doubtless pardonable, many scientists and philosophers came to imagine that this useful abstraction from reality was reality itself. Reality as actually experienced contains intuitions of value and significance, contains love, beauty, mystical ecstasy, intimations of godhead.
Believerification 10 months ago
@Believerification Science did not and still does not possess intellectual instruments with which to deal with these aspects of reality.
Believerification 10 months ago
@Believerification I'm afraid it does, they are called psychology, social psychology, anthropology and sociology.
alangnixon 10 months ago
@Believerification "Reality as actually experienced contains intuitions of value and significance, contains love, beauty, mystical ecstasy, intimations of godhead."
Everything in your sentence prior to the Godhead is realisable without it, there is no necessity for a surpernatural being to give use intuition/meaning, create relationships, make things aesthetically pleasing or create feelings of oneness with the world. Far from intimated, the Godhead is again an unnecessary hypothesis here.
alangnixon 10 months ago
@Believerification Have you got another method that actually gives us reliable and repeatable knowledge?
alangnixon 10 months ago
Respond to this video... We say, "There's evidence that God did it." You're confounding evidence with proof. Evidence is the absence of an alibi; evidence is being seen in the vicinity of a crime, the testimony of witnesses is evidence. What you want is proof. But if seeing God could cure wickedness Satan wouldn't be evil. If you saw God you'd be a hundred times more guilty than you are now, for having seen Him you would still be disobedient.
Believerification 10 months ago
@Believerification Really not sure what to do with that twisted piece of reasoning. See how much effort you have to put in to avoid science... Those things would be called circumstantial evidence or corroborating evidence but they are not the hard evidence that would make a case indisputable. Considering the improbable nature of what you propose, I think people should be very dubious of accepting such flimsy evidence.
alangnixon 10 months ago
@alangnixon No one is avoiding science. You seem to be suffering from the misconception that science and religious belief are incompatible, while I was talking about you and what you would accept as evidence, about what you mean, which is "proof, indisputable" when you SAY evidence. There's plenty of evidence. Now as for science and religion---ever heard of Newton, Galileo, Clark Maxwell? These scientists were Christian.
Believerification 10 months ago
@Believerification - They were also all Capricorn and left-handed. What's the point?
RationalThinker1859 10 months ago
McGrath says 'you have raised a very important point' but in his head he's thinking 'I need a distraction'
MrJonniNixon 11 months ago
"Christ is the Son of God Who died for the redemption of sinners and was resurrected after three days. This is the greatest truth in the universe. Watchman Nee."
TheCyclingsaint 11 months ago
i enjoy this debate/dialogue because Dawkins isnt a douche like usual
JasonGolden100 11 months ago 15
@JasonGolden100 I think hes being too nice
ezelouie 10 months ago
@ezelouie ehh maybe but its interesting none the less because they both bring up good arguements
JasonGolden100 10 months ago
@JasonGolden100 You need to look at more things. He says he is a gentle person and he really is. I think in the last two weeks i have watched everything of him on youtube and there were three moments when he douched out, and several hundreds were he really was nice, polite, gentle but true to his ways.
AxeHomeless 10 months ago
@JasonGolden100 Totally agree, more like not as rude as he is used to be towards anybody who does not agree with him.
faith88899 10 months ago
@JasonGolden100 Agreed, this is so much nicer to listen to and more interesting. It feels like they are arguing and discussing rahter than fighting. x)
thetraceur123 10 months ago
@JasonGolden100 I've never thought Dawkins to be a douche. We may disagree on some fundamental things, but I've always found him rather reasonable. You have to understand that in most situations he's arguing against people who aren't on his level intellectually and are presenting arguments that encourage a more hostile atmosphere. This is the real Dawkins; conversing with a peer where neither feel threatened and both are there to learn.
Now, Christopher Hitchens on the other hand...
froggerchanovsky 9 months ago
@JasonGolden100 Dawkins is never a douche. The people he interviews are.
Eregost2 8 months ago
@Eregost2 Dawkins is very much a douche. Saying anyone who denies evolution is evil,stupid or ignorant is being a douche, Because there is no evidence for macro-evolution.
RaytownSoClassof2010 8 months ago
@RaytownSoClassof2010 No evidence? LOL Funny joke mate.
Eregost2 8 months ago
@Eregost2 There isnt .
RaytownSoClassof2010 8 months ago
@JasonGolden100 yes i agree have you wachted the debate between tunderfoot and that crazy ladie
lucklyclover58 7 months ago
@JasonGolden100 Dawkins is never a douche, perhaps you're just a douche that gets offended easy.
SwuaveWEB 7 months ago 3
@SwuaveWEB Perhaps because you agree with all of his remarks, you don't see how he could possibly be a prick.
LordShivasServant 7 months ago
@LordShivasServant uh perhaps because you disagree you think he is a prick? I really wish I didn't have to point that out... Which also proves that if its just disagreeing with him that makes you think he is a prick... Then you're just insulting him because you have no other argument you can possibly lay against the truthful nature of his comments.
SwuaveWEB 7 months ago
@SwuaveWEB Nope... that's not it at all.... Have a nice day
LordShivasServant 7 months ago
@LordShivasServant ok? that really changes everything...
SwuaveWEB 7 months ago
@SwuaveWEB The fact is, you could be correct, yet you weren't there... just because your ignorant of everything but the topic at-hand doesn't make you right.
I'm beginning to wonder if you're more interested in preserving your wacky little point than being correct. Isn't that against your religion? :P
LordShivasServant 7 months ago
@LordShivasServant I have no idea what you're even talking about right now man... i think you need to reread.
SwuaveWEB 7 months ago
@SwuaveWEB Well if you don't understand me, that's your problem then.
Seriously. Look into the process of Videography and Filmmaking. It's a fascinating art. Regardless of what you think of this conversation here. Directors and playwrites built worlds that we live in today, and continue to do so.
LordShivasServant 7 months ago
@JasonGolden100 I was thinking exactly the same thing.
chrismrulz 7 months ago
@JasonGolden100 I have yet to see him act like a "douche". Or at least I've never seen him act like a douche to people who are as intellectual and calm as McGrath. If you're in an argument or debate with a thick-headed "professor" who can't rationalize and instead gives you an argument you've heard time and time again, surely you can sometimes lose your cool.
Beledal 7 months ago
@JasonGolden100 Probably because he isn't talking to a douche like usual
Hjerrick 7 months ago
@JasonGolden100 how is dawkins usually a douche?
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
@JasonGolden100 I dislike it because Dawkins LIKES McGrath and he is totally soft pedalling here. Matt Dillahunty would have been much better.
lewisner 6 months ago
@lewisner Of course Dawkins likes McGrath, they have the same accent...... :)
SlaveOfCrist 5 months ago
A'rent their legs tired yet. They still have 10 clips to stand through.
sicsempertyrannis7 11 months ago 50
@sicsempertyrannis7 good point:)
esraretin 9 months ago
ahh
1robon 11 months ago
"You have raised a very important question... I think what I'd want to say..."
jambi999 11 months ago
@jambi999 I was just about to post the very same thing!
Flowerblood 11 months ago
Dawkins really has no grasp of Christian theology.
emekonen 11 months ago
@emekonen "The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion. Not anything can be studied as a science, without our being in possession of the principles upon which it is founded; and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing." -- Thomas Paine
azdgariarada 11 months ago
@emekonen just as McGrath has litte understanding of science. I have listened to every moment of their arguement and neither of them truly has a great deal of understanding towards the idealology of their opposers. One arguement i can make however, is that dawkins has not made any eroneous assumptions by any means. He begins his arguements by simple explanation and developes his complex belief system through processes which have been proven by science.
ibreathexcellence 11 months ago
@ibreathexcellence Thank you, but I must refrain from replying. It seems there is no room for questioning anything these days.
emekonen 11 months ago
@ibreathexcellence
"McGrath has litte understanding of science."?
You're just mad you'll never get into any of his classes.
ivlfounder 11 months ago
it took billions of years, the probability gets better and better, think about lookin at the same horse for 13 billion years in billions of galaxies running in the same race it has to win eventually, thats us, i dont see the problem, winner all right, winner all right , shame the horse is only going to run a few races.
greggcaff 1 year ago
religion jus seems rather pointless.
Ksixstring 1 year ago
I'm glad Dawkins asked it because that was what I was wondering. He wants to rationalise believing in God as a medium of faith, guidance and comfort, but why Christianity? There are thousands of religions, why not believe in something for yourself use a bit of creativity? @thinkalott33 I won't follow Dawkins especially but empirical truth. When the jaws of death take me, as they inevitably will. I will not live in fear, be it fear of God, fear of death or any other. Quite unlike you...
stubertbear 1 year ago
@Ician100 and you can follow one man that cant save you from the jaws of death . he cant even save his self when that time comes . and yes you will answer to some one . but the world was put here by some one that had a plan . you cant even pant a piture with out a plan . threw out history people all was went down the wrong road folling a man . why would you follow a man that can die a bleed like any other man . follow God and you will have a chance . richard dawkins is just a man that it .
thinkalott33 1 year ago
before peace comes to pass . what would have to happend ? well all of the evil dictatetors would have to fall . china,iran,north korea . and then peace will come . and now what are you seeing . the people riseing up and bringing down the evil dictatetors of the world . and then evey nation will become apart of what . the united nations . then the world will sing . we finaly have reached world peace . then evrything will fall apart . and nation will rise against nation like never before .
thinkalott33 1 year ago
@thinkalott33 Oh my, Jesus said it, but he didn't MEAN it. Yeah, all-all-all the way. When Jesus said "Love one another, for love is god" he MEANT that love those who believe in god and hate everyone else. Now how does that sound like. Or "Turn the other cheek" actually MEANS that if you were hit on one cheek you should hit your attacker's BOTH cheeks. Sounds very poor doesn't it? It's a pathetic apologie that jesus didn't actually MEANT what he SAID. See you in Congo Rainforest servant of god.
xwlr 1 year ago
@xwlr you dont have the power to change the word of . so the devil has given you words to say . week just week . sorry but you dont move me not even i inch . you think your cute because you spell GOD WITH A SMALL G ! wow your realy powerful . we no that who God is . so why are you fighting something you dont beleave in . i think the atheist give God more credit the the cristians do . because the way you fight the God of the bible and no other is because you no there is a God . thank you
thinkalott33 1 year ago
@thinkalott33 Pretty old lame argument. Seems like you're not even trying to answer anything anymore. Just to remind you, you still haven't told me why earthquakes floods diseases storms forestfires are happened to be allowed by god. Yes, small g. Just like small u with unicorns or small l with lepricons. You cannot change the world no more than I can. Still haven't moved a mountain have you? And there is a good video about why athests speak out against god: watch?v=xnbXlkNavwo
See you in Congo
xwlr 1 year ago
@xwlr whos is atheist . what is atheist . theres not even enouph of you to even be a factor . just a buch of bad mouths . always talking evil . thats all you guys do . evil this evil that . starting to sound like a broken record . with all your science talk . what is science . just some people trying to find out something they dont no . people ben living with out all this science for years . you can fix the mind , and body . but what can you do for the heart . nothing !
thinkalott33 1 year ago
@thinkalott33 You know it's getting funnier and funnier what a jerk lame asshole you are. All Ahteists always do evil - that's pretty rediculous. You're just spouring your god as if it would be the only way to live by. You're not talking reason(soundingly) anymore you're words are pure hatred. And here in Eurpe there are millions of atheists, e.g in Sweden. And guess what, it's a very peaceful and balanced society without god, no surprise though as it doesn't do anything in reality.
xwlr 1 year ago
@thinkalott33 I think, if it would exist, god would be very ashamed of you. You couldn't defend his name, as you couldn't jutify his part in naural diseasters famine and sickness. You couldn't explain the reason of an imperfect creation from a supposedly perfect being. You couldn't tell why god gives no single tangible sign of it's existence and why it is intentionally decieving us by making every evidence we discover indicate that there is no need for a god to explaint the world.
xwlr 1 year ago
@thinkalott33 And honestly, you are insulting Atheists by calling them "just a buch of bad mouths" even misppelling -bunch-. Do you think jesus would approve that? Do you think it would be proud of you for this if it would exist? I think you would go to hell for being so rude with Atheists and having hate towards them. I suggest you to repent on your sins, pray for forgivness and try to follow jesus's teachings a bit more closely. Than go to the Congo Rainforest with bible and a crucifix alone.
xwlr 1 year ago
@xwlr are you real . saying that atheist have bad mouths is not a sin it is the truth . im not saying that all are bad . but some of you say some nasty things about God . even in your video you demonise God . why because he,s trying to save a dieing world . when will we take the blame for what we have turned this world in to . wars ,murder,hate . and it is true what the bible said in the last days people will call the truth a lie . God loves the world no matter what you say .
thinkalott33 1 year ago
@thinkalott33 I have no video. So let's start quoting: "whos is atheist . what is atheist . theres not even enouph of you to even be a factor . just a buch of bad mouths . always talking evil . thats all you guys do ." Aside from the horrible spelling it clearly states that atheists are all bad mouths whom are alwalys talking evil. It is the truth? No, my friend it is prejudice. On the same basis could I say that all cristians are fools, when in fact only creationists are ALL fools.
xwlr 1 year ago
@thinkalott33 I had enough of your dishonesty. You never adress the question. You say god loves the world but don't answer why it allows natural diseasters famine sickness diseases accidents; why it gives no tangible sign of it's existence while allowing false religions and makes "false" evidence indicating evolution and a complete lack of supernatural intervention in the development of humans and life in general. You also don't adress the Congo topic. You avoid these questions like fire.
xwlr 1 year ago
@thinkalott33 So I'll make one last attempt. You were stupid enough to think science is guessing. You sincerely believed it. You thought that the 40nm microchip architecture was guessed, the speaker and monitor technologies are simple guesses, the faster-than-sound air fighters are based on a guess, CERN is simply a guess, microwave and genetics was a guess and so on. Unless you admit that you were wrong on this one I will consider your cognitive potential inadequte to continue arguing with you.
xwlr 1 year ago
@xwlr so tell me this xwlr .... what do this have to do with life there is people that are still living with out all these things you speek of . you bost and brag about what a man can do . can he defeat death ? can he go in the grave and walk back out ? can science bring my mother back to life ? can science stop people from killing each other . can science make a man love his enimie ? can science make a man forgive ? can science stop racism ? can it make a man thats full of hate love again ?
thinkalott33 1 year ago
@thinkalott33 Alright thank you very much, that's just what I expected. You haven't adressed ANY of the topics, you have proven that that your neurological system is insufficient to analyze new information. It's like inserting a recovery disc that falls out on the other side of the computer while the screen states "FATAL ERROR". I'm jut going to stop and consider it a victory of facts over superstition SINCE you couldn't even answer my arguments. Btw god couldn't stop any of those things either.
xwlr 1 year ago
@thinkalott33 Oh, and one last thing. People who live without the problems I speak of tend to live in scientifically advanced regions like America, Europe, or Japan. In Japan the effects of earthquakes (clearly produced by tectonic movements, not witchcraft) are suprressed with scientific methods.You pretty much scored against yourself. (God couldn't bring your mother back)I'm not going to continue this with you since there is no point.Whatever I tell you, you start rantling about god and death.
xwlr 1 year ago
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@xwlr in other words you have no answer ! good by
thinkalott33 1 year ago
and now we see all these things the bible talked about coming to pass . sudden peace . sudden detruction is what jesus said . first there will come a man that will bring peace to all the nations . sudden peace . sudden destruction . what do this means . it will come a time when all the nations will be at peace . and what do we call it . the united nations ? um . thats funny it sounds like what the bible said . and what do you see in egyped ,inran, . the fall of evil dictatetors .
thinkalott33 1 year ago
@uselessknowledge1 you no what i ment . if you was Gods child would you talk about him the way you do . next . stick a fork in this guy he,s done .
thinkalott33 1 year ago
@uselessknowledge1 cant even respond to satans children . thats why your so lonely in side . i no . some times you wish you wasnt even living . i feel your sadness . but letting the devil control your heart is no way to live . your words dont move me . your comment was a watse of time . even was even almost funny . how sad you are . i feel for you
thinkalott33 1 year ago
in this world we have chose to walk away from the one who made us . but we blame him for everything that go,s wrong . that is like a person on drugs . blaming every one for his own drug habbit . and we wonder why we have wars earth quakes . it is the sin in the world . that cursed the world . we have 60% of haiti doing witch craft . and you wonder why . when will we admitt to the fact we have turned our back on God . who is man enouph to say so ?
thinkalott33 1 year ago
@thinkalott33 The origin of the Bible, god's backgrounf can be clearly tracked back to a superstious barbaric unciclized ironage barbaric desert tribe. The style of the old testament makes it clear it's no more than human imagination and jesus based on that imagination fails to be very meaningful. God did not create man on his own image, but man created god on his. The men creating god were bloodthirsty vengeful moralless horrible people and Yahwe clearly reflects it. He's like a tribal warlord.
xwlr 1 year ago
@thinkalott33 And how couldn't we turned away from god? He never shown any sign of his existence, and at the same time we saw the products of critical thinking and evidence based worldview. If he exists he doesn't want to be seen or he's intentionally decieving us. And of Haiti maybe you call it witchcraft but it is their tradition like yours is christianity. And please explain the exact tectonical mechanism that witchcraft triggered and accurately describe the method HOW it triggered it.
xwlr 1 year ago
@uselessknowledge1 well sence your so smart .oh . And your grammer is not the greatest . thuoght i would just let you no . but back to what we were talking about . we all no that no one is perfect . and we also no that any one can be evil if they choose to be . and if 5 people mess up . do that make the other 5 million bad ? no it dont . it just means you have a few bad apples .
thinkalott33 1 year ago
@thinkalott33 He's right. Your grammar is atrocious. If you want to debate a topic, at least take the time to use spell check. Dumbass.
jordaniac89 1 year ago
@jordaniac89 lol . and you think your a match for me . I hardley think so . your senseless words hold no power here . see its people like you that think they can do good by there self . not noing the very air you breave is a gift from God . just be glad that God is a merciful . and he can look pass our short comings . see one thing you forgot . there is a God if you beleave it or not . just because you dont beleave . dont mean there is no God . i can beleave i dont have a computer . but i do !
thinkalott33 1 year ago
@thinkalott33 I think you need to leave your period key alone, what has it ever done to you? Prove the air I breathe is a gift from God; prove God is merciful (he certainly isn't in much of the Bible); prove that God is real and then rational people might listen to your futile attempts at making us believe you know something that we don't: God.
morphicwraith 1 year ago
@morphicwraith why would i have to prove that God is here . when every time you look at your self . you see God . why would i have to prove there is a God . when every time you see the power of the sun . you see God . why would i have to prove that God is here . when you see a child being born . you see God . why would i have to prove that God is here . when you see the birds flying . you see God . why would i have to prove that God is merciful . noing that he still is letting you live !
thinkalott33 1 year ago
@thinkalott33 When I see Africa starving, when I saw the Tsunami in 2004, when I saw the earthquake in Haiti when I heard of the vulcano erupt in Izland when I saw god letting 9/11 happen, when I hear of AIDS cancer kolera malaria and other viral infections, when I see predators killing their prey (on NatGeoCH) when I see babies born with abominations when I hear airplanes crash or ships sank when I saw Chernobyl when car accidents happen when people lose limps or get blinded I KNOW god loves us
xwlr 1 year ago