@h8red42 I'm happy to hear you say that! BTW, last night I was reading Euthyphro (a dialogue of Plato) and was reminded that among the charges against Socrates was: making new gods and not believing in the old ones, and introducing novelties in religion. Vis a vis the "evolves his own religion" theme in this video, I think it is interesting that there is a medical journal article proposing that Socrates was a temporal lobe epileptic (Epilepsia, 2006).
I don´t think Buddha had Ep, but if you look at his lifestyle before enlightenment he might have had halucinations anyway due to grave malnutrition, but that is just my own theory.. As an Atheist who don´t suffer from Ep but from Sleep paralysis I find it likely that a lot of those counted for on the list could have "seen" and experienced things that led them to start their own religion. Also didn´t Akhenaten most likely suffer from marfan´s syndrome? Just out of curiosity?
@TheMina75 I will be looking into the persons on that list (and others) and doing videos on my findings. I just got the reference that the article cited with respect to the Buddha and now will have to find the reference it cites. A complication with people who meditate (like the Buddha did) is that there seems to be an interrelation between the neurology of meditation and the neurology of epilepsy (I will be doing videos on this, upcoming).
@markdzima That would be interesting indeed.. I know alot about Buddha and Akhenaten (I´m a history nerd), but I don´t have the knowledge about the brain you do, will be very interesting to see what you find out.
@TheMina75 I've been doing research on sleep paralysis and the neurology of sleep and will be doing videos related to this, upcoming. Hopefully you will find that interesting.
Sleep relates to epilepsy. Most epileptic seizures occur during sleep, which has been hypothesized to be causally connected to the neural synchrony that occurs during non-REM sleep. Epilepsy has recently been medically defined as being a malady of neural synchrony. I'll explain all this in upcoming videos.
A sentence I wrote above was poorly written, and unclear. I meant to say that nocturnal seizures have been hypothesized to be causally connected to the neural synchrony of non-REM sleep.
Me too. One reason I'm using my actual name as a user-name is to try to build up some name-recognition that might be useful with respect to that in the future. In the mean time, my YT channel is slowly growing. Hopefully the pace of that growth will increase.
This is new territory for me. I am intrigued and look forward to your series. I am a former Seventh Day Adventist. So, I wait in anticipation regarding your findings on Paul. Though she is not on the list Ellen G. White is of special interest to me also. I have read most of her works (several times) and know a little about her background.
I grew up in a Seventh Day Adventist neighborhood, and was even a Pathfinder (SDA version of the Boy Scouts) for a while so I could go on camping trips with my friends from the neighborhood.
I also think Joseph Smith was a straight up determined con man, and that's easy to see if you look at his history and why they chased him out of so many places. I do not, personally, believe he had TLE.
Without knowing the standard you used to include those names, I'm wondering if Marshal Applewhite (sp) or Jim Jones could have gone on the list. Also, perhaps L Ron Hubbard and Claude Vorlihon (though i suspect he latte two are just outright frauds).
@gamutman Probably. A much larger portion of the population is prone than you would believe because not all of them hit their triggers at any point. Jesus and Joan of Arc CERTAINLY belong on the list of temporal lobe epileptics.
With the exception of Ellen G. White, I only mentioned those who were on the list in the journal article "Spirituality and religion in epilepsy". There were some Catholic Saints on that list, but I didn't know how religiously innovative any of them were (it seemed to me that the innovative ones might more likely have ended up being regarded as heretics rather than saints). I might have added Moses to the list, but I haven't been able to find again the source of that speculation.
Separating myth from reality can certainly be a problem (if it can be done at all) in such a case. A report of a religious experience (the burning bush, here) that was accompanied by falling to the ground is sufficient for some medical people to suspect epilepsy. Epilepsy has been called "the falling sickness" for a very very long time.
@markdzima Perhaps the author of Exodus had a religious epiphany experience brought upon by epilepsy and he fictionalized that experience into the legend of Moses. Historically speaking, it's very unlikely that the character of Moses was even based on a real person. He's very Paul Bunyony.
@gamutman Interesting that you propose that hypothesis. There is an article ("Temporal lobe epilepsy in the priestly source of the Pentateuch") in a medical journal, proposing that one of the authors of Exodus, called P (Priestly source) by biblical scholars, displays aspects of personality indicative of "Geschwind syndrome" (also known as temporal lobe personality) sometimes displayed by people with temporal lobe epilepsy.
I don't have any information about Russell, and a google search using his name plus "epilepsy" or "seizure" didn't seem to yield anything interesting. But I'll try to remember to let you know if I come up with something in the future.
Another good one. I might have to take exception to Buddha being on the list. He may be one of the most well documented of the ancient religious founders and I'm not aware of any writings suggesting the epiphanies you are addressing. I have read from several sources that Siddhartha really didn't push his teachings as religion but more as a philosophy. I'm very interested in what you have to say about it.
Markdzima, how is it going? Your stuff is very educational. Make me realize that I need to brush up on my history.
DADLANDSHOW 6 months ago
@DADLANDSHOW
I'm in the flow of writing my next video so things are going very well, thank you.
I've been enjoying your videos, so I'm happy you came by to watch mine, and glad you found it to be very educational. Thank you for the kind words.
markdzima 5 months ago
i'm looking forward to the rest of this.
h8red42 6 months ago
@h8red42 I'm happy to hear you say that! BTW, last night I was reading Euthyphro (a dialogue of Plato) and was reminded that among the charges against Socrates was: making new gods and not believing in the old ones, and introducing novelties in religion. Vis a vis the "evolves his own religion" theme in this video, I think it is interesting that there is a medical journal article proposing that Socrates was a temporal lobe epileptic (Epilepsia, 2006).
markdzima 6 months ago
I don´t think Buddha had Ep, but if you look at his lifestyle before enlightenment he might have had halucinations anyway due to grave malnutrition, but that is just my own theory.. As an Atheist who don´t suffer from Ep but from Sleep paralysis I find it likely that a lot of those counted for on the list could have "seen" and experienced things that led them to start their own religion. Also didn´t Akhenaten most likely suffer from marfan´s syndrome? Just out of curiosity?
TheMina75 6 months ago
@TheMina75 I will be looking into the persons on that list (and others) and doing videos on my findings. I just got the reference that the article cited with respect to the Buddha and now will have to find the reference it cites. A complication with people who meditate (like the Buddha did) is that there seems to be an interrelation between the neurology of meditation and the neurology of epilepsy (I will be doing videos on this, upcoming).
markdzima 6 months ago
@markdzima That would be interesting indeed.. I know alot about Buddha and Akhenaten (I´m a history nerd), but I don´t have the knowledge about the brain you do, will be very interesting to see what you find out.
TheMina75 6 months ago
@TheMina75 I've been doing research on sleep paralysis and the neurology of sleep and will be doing videos related to this, upcoming. Hopefully you will find that interesting.
Sleep relates to epilepsy. Most epileptic seizures occur during sleep, which has been hypothesized to be causally connected to the neural synchrony that occurs during non-REM sleep. Epilepsy has recently been medically defined as being a malady of neural synchrony. I'll explain all this in upcoming videos.
markdzima 6 months ago
@markdzima I´ll be looking forward to the videos.. You are doing a great job as always!
TheMina75 6 months ago
@markdzima
A sentence I wrote above was poorly written, and unclear. I meant to say that nocturnal seizures have been hypothesized to be causally connected to the neural synchrony of non-REM sleep.
markdzima 6 months ago
I wish you could get this message and information out to a larger audience.
stephenetienne 6 months ago
@stephenetienne
Me too. One reason I'm using my actual name as a user-name is to try to build up some name-recognition that might be useful with respect to that in the future. In the mean time, my YT channel is slowly growing. Hopefully the pace of that growth will increase.
markdzima 6 months ago
Wow, this is scary. I am an atheist epileptic, I hope I don't go crazy....
virgillevinger 6 months ago
very interesting
LogicalThinker667 6 months ago
This is new territory for me. I am intrigued and look forward to your series. I am a former Seventh Day Adventist. So, I wait in anticipation regarding your findings on Paul. Though she is not on the list Ellen G. White is of special interest to me also. I have read most of her works (several times) and know a little about her background.
EuphoricImpact 6 months ago
@EuphoricImpact
I grew up in a Seventh Day Adventist neighborhood, and was even a Pathfinder (SDA version of the Boy Scouts) for a while so I could go on camping trips with my friends from the neighborhood.
markdzima 6 months ago
@markdzima Yes I remember those Pathfinder days. I was also one. Thanks to those experiences the love of camping still rages within me.
EuphoricImpact 6 months ago
I also think Joseph Smith was a straight up determined con man, and that's easy to see if you look at his history and why they chased him out of so many places. I do not, personally, believe he had TLE.
bamboo4tameshigiri 6 months ago
Without knowing the standard you used to include those names, I'm wondering if Marshal Applewhite (sp) or Jim Jones could have gone on the list. Also, perhaps L Ron Hubbard and Claude Vorlihon (though i suspect he latte two are just outright frauds).
gamutman 6 months ago
@gamutman Probably. A much larger portion of the population is prone than you would believe because not all of them hit their triggers at any point. Jesus and Joan of Arc CERTAINLY belong on the list of temporal lobe epileptics.
bamboo4tameshigiri 6 months ago
@bamboo4tameshigiri Joan of Arc, good call!
gamutman 6 months ago
@gamutman
With the exception of Ellen G. White, I only mentioned those who were on the list in the journal article "Spirituality and religion in epilepsy". There were some Catholic Saints on that list, but I didn't know how religiously innovative any of them were (it seemed to me that the innovative ones might more likely have ended up being regarded as heretics rather than saints). I might have added Moses to the list, but I haven't been able to find again the source of that speculation.
markdzima 6 months ago
@markdzima Moses? Hmm, I don't think fictional characters can actually be afflicted by epilepsy.
gamutman 6 months ago
@gamutman
Separating myth from reality can certainly be a problem (if it can be done at all) in such a case. A report of a religious experience (the burning bush, here) that was accompanied by falling to the ground is sufficient for some medical people to suspect epilepsy. Epilepsy has been called "the falling sickness" for a very very long time.
markdzima 6 months ago
@markdzima Perhaps the author of Exodus had a religious epiphany experience brought upon by epilepsy and he fictionalized that experience into the legend of Moses. Historically speaking, it's very unlikely that the character of Moses was even based on a real person. He's very Paul Bunyony.
gamutman 6 months ago
@gamutman Interesting that you propose that hypothesis. There is an article ("Temporal lobe epilepsy in the priestly source of the Pentateuch") in a medical journal, proposing that one of the authors of Exodus, called P (Priestly source) by biblical scholars, displays aspects of personality indicative of "Geschwind syndrome" (also known as temporal lobe personality) sometimes displayed by people with temporal lobe epilepsy.
markdzima 6 months ago
@markdzima Go me!
gamutman 6 months ago
I wonder if Charles Taze Russell falls into this catagory considering he was influenced by the Seventh Day Adventists.
Templehatchet 6 months ago
@Templehatchet
I don't have any information about Russell, and a google search using his name plus "epilepsy" or "seizure" didn't seem to yield anything interesting. But I'll try to remember to let you know if I come up with something in the future.
markdzima 6 months ago
@markdzima Thanks man.
Templehatchet 6 months ago
Another good one. I might have to take exception to Buddha being on the list. He may be one of the most well documented of the ancient religious founders and I'm not aware of any writings suggesting the epiphanies you are addressing. I have read from several sources that Siddhartha really didn't push his teachings as religion but more as a philosophy. I'm very interested in what you have to say about it.
deepashtray 6 months ago
@deepashtray
I'm very curious about the Buddha as well. I'm in the process of the acquiring the reference given, but don't have it yet.
markdzima 6 months ago